What exactly is wrong with the degeneracy the west has going on today?

What exactly is wrong with the degeneracy the west has going on today?
I've heard some good arguments "women age like milk" "single mothers ruin nations" but I'd like to hear well reasoned arguments on why we should all be more traditional like we used to be

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Society is merely a reflection of the sum of it's individuals. So the key to a good society is a good set of individuals. So what makes a good individual?

Once you figure out a measurement for 'good' - one that is absolute and universal - for a human being, then you can have a standard to measure degeneracy against. Then it's simply a matter of applying this to a social level.

However, finding the measure for 'good' is the hardest thing. I adopt the Stoic philosophy, that we all are designed in such a way that is Natural - ie. just as we are designed with hands that we are meant to use, we are designed with the capacity to reason that we are meant to use.

So - the question could better be rephrased - is the degeneracy of women that we see today Natural? Is it in our human Nature? I'll leave that up to you to decide

It's symptomatic of an underlying lack of discipline.

What supercedes nature? Hands fit perfectly around necks, are they made to fit each other? I ought to look more into stoicism, I've only read Meditiations.

Is degeneracy just conflicting ideas on what "good" is, and therefore any successful society must have a homogenous outlook on life?

Blacks have significantly (more than ten points) lower IQ and higher test than whites, which predisposes them to criminality to a greater extent than mere poverty, and women are attracted to barbarous traits, so unregulated sexuality creates incentive to behave barbarically and no incentive for men to be responsible.

More than anything, though, the biggest difference is that traditionalism taught one pride in one's people, and today what we have it fear and shame that corrodes society's moral fabric, which I'll explain in the next post because this thread is sinking

>It's the Jews.

You're welcome, OP.

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Insecurity has a few important effects:
1. Cortisol reduces testosterone production, which, if a society is generally insecure/ashamed/afraid, will result in effeminate, weak men who are easily led by lies, will rarely sacrifice anything of themselves for the whole, and, perhaps most importantly, can't satisfy most women, who crave masculinity. This desperation from women results in even worse insecurity over on that side of the gender line. Additionally, this insecurity is very easy to exploit to move wealth from the poor to the rich (see: a lot of advertising clearly jabbing the audience, middle classers who've made themselves poor trying to keep up with the joneses. In a nation with >40K per year for median income, most people don't have even a month of savings because they blow it all so much)

On race: Geneticists have a concept of "receding to the mean", which means that intelligent people usually produce average children, so two intelligent black people will usually produce nogs if they get together, which could serve as a justification for taking a "no exceptions" stance on race

Half answering the OP, half having verbal diarrhea in the hope that someone will disagree and teach me something

Very interesting. I googled and you seem pretty much factually correct on all of these things. I'd enjoy reading more.

You're saying that whit guilt and general unmasculinity in whites is playing a large part in the degeneration of western civilization? If media portrayed white men as strong and capable and stopped encouraging interracial relationships would things be saved?

What degree do you have, bro?

>You're saying that whit guilt and general unmasculinity in whites is playing a large part in the degeneration of western civilization?
Yes, I believe that this is at least a big part of the problem
>If media portrayed white men as strong and capable and stopped encouraging interracial relationships would things be saved?
Hard to call, but I'd think so, even if it took a while.

>I'd enjoy reading more.
I'm surprised (and honestly somewhere between honored and flattered) that you research my rambling; I'll gladly humor you
I believe the enormity of today's entertainment industry is caused by the emotional weakness of the American people, who depend on entertainment to distract themselves from their real problems (I know I used to, and still do in moments of weakness.) Likely because they have so little experience in confronting inner demons that they're still afraid. I've found that only some struggle can get you in the hang of spotting and confronting/solving weakness when you find it. I didn't grow up too hard, but I was socialized very poorly, and became something of a neurotic mess because of it, and the process of achieving mental health has largely been one of confronting things I had been refusing to acknowledge. My recent turn (last few days, actually) to traditionalism is, to a degree, part of that. That said, there are definitely parts of traditionalism I don't really understand or agree with. In particular the "evil chink" idea is one I haven't really got my head around yet, if there's anything to get around. I have better rambling incoming, but I can't revise too much or the thread might die. Any lurkers who would bump would be highly appreciated

Got employed out of highschool; you? (may still end up going to college; I'm still only 19)

Actually, let me drop a note I made a while ago; might be interesting to you:

Wisdom that can be put into to words is in many senses the tip of the iceberg. Just because your opponent is arguing on feelings doesn't mean there isn't a logic to their argument, only that their conscious mind doesn't know it. Often, it's learning what the subconscious already knows that feels like the greatest revelation. There's probably a pretty clear-cut reason for that

>depend on entertainment to distract themselves from their real problems
So much this!

a later refinement of this is that the left and right brains can't communicate clearly, which I think is where this comes from (the right brain knows, but the left brain, which speaks, doesn't know)

Many thanks! Feel free to ask me anything you'd like my opinion on

Either continue your own studies or find a college degree that isn't complete nonsense. You're wasting your own knowledge otherwise, and the fight back against societies ills begins in the minds of the population.

> the fight back against societies ills begins in the minds of the population.
True, though I'm not sure of the best tactic to accomplish this. At the moment I'm on a local podcast (with a heavy liberal leaning), and will be on a radio show before too long. I'm moving slowly so that people will have time to find the conclusions I'm hinting at, though the best ideological freeing involves a change in frame (to use PUA terminology), and I'm not sure that such a change can be done gently

On that note, for any Sup Forumslacks looking to understand rhetoric, PUAs are a good resource, since their psychological ideas are well tested, and the hobbyist nature of the practice makes information on manipulation from manipulators openly available, which is hard to get elsewhere. In general, I don't have much faith in logos as a persuasive tool, so this sort of thing is what's left

Joining in podcasts and radio shows is a great way to gain experience for yourself while extending your message to others. It will also help you build a reputation for yourself. Immediately going full 'red-pill' on-air will only serve to see you mocked. You're better off turning the dial one notch at a time, as you suggested. As opposed to ramping it right up to maximum and hoping for the best. Humans are resistant to change when it is radical, but done slightly over time they will happily allow it to occur. This is the weapon that Progressives have used against society for the past century, and it has been incredibly successful.

I suggested the degree as it will lend you a certain amount of 'credibility' when debating with your opponents, just be careful about which degree you choose and take your time to decide. You come across as an intelligent individual, don't let that go to waste. God knows we'll need every intelligent person we can get if we're to win this.

Best of luck.

I don't see people becoming less hedonistic or less saturated in entertainment in the near future. Only artificial difficulty can keep humans striving for a higher quality of life. Socialism definitely is a step backwards then, if you look at it that way.

The nuclear family is a vital component of a prosperous civilization.

Any attempts to undo the nuclear family or otherwise make it easy to be a single parent is an atrack directly on the nation?

Let's be real here, HIP HOP CULTURE is destroying us.

A few things promoted and glorified
>murder
>even rape or coercive rape subtleties are sneaking in
>Gluttony
>Greed
>Destroying family values to be independent
>Drugs is a good way to get rich
>Slutty clothing and club life
>Sex with multiple partners
>Muh single mother INDEPENDANCE

And it's not just black people that are susceptible. I've literally asked friends that were born and raised on country culture, on a farm, with hardworking goals and family values, "what the fuck are you doing dude? You're wasting everything that your mother and father worked for, so you can be a pretend gang banger."

IT IS the biggest problem with degeneracy in our country, whether people want to acknowledge it or not. It's even to the point now, where the JEWS and huge music companies, are proven gang members, with extensive criminal backgrounds, to lead their campaign.


Trying to destroy the norm of "mother and father work hard to raise children, send them to good schools" is suicide for our country

Someone please prove me wrong. Point to something that doesn't ultimately lead back to rap music in our society being mainstreamed.

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In short, living in a society with no boundaries, will affect everyone and continue.

>I don't see people becoming less hedonistic or less saturated in entertainment in the near future
To me, this is still unclear; while technology and economics both seem to support increased entertainment, things are still in freefall; times may get shitty enough that people can't keep lying to themselves anymore, or that those who do become too poor to keep buying escapism. VR worries me in this regard, though.
> Only artificial difficulty can keep humans striving for a higher quality of life.
If I understand 'artificial' correctly, I agree; we can trivially make enough food/shelter for everyone; it's only mismanagement that makes difficulty. And people being fuckups; I'm honestly starting to think it's more humane to let the homeless starve to death, as the competent homeless can usually recover just fine, it's almost exclusively the mentally ill that stay homeless. Which sort of makes sense when you consider that mental illness often makes one dysfunctional, and that mental illness is a percentage of the whole populace. At the moment though, we (Americans) never let anything die (see: amount of money spent in hospitals near-death), so we reason it more humane to preserve their miserable existence at everyone else's expense than to let them fall all the way. Plus, if it were this way, homeless people who really are just down on their luck would be taken more seriously. I'm still not super-sure about this policy though.
> Socialism definitely is a step backwards then, if you look at it that way.
True, though whether socialism softens economic blows or creates them is a whole nother shitfest entirely. Personally, I think people are way too passionate about the topic.

Getting to my wordlimit, but, , you WILL get a response here

Every time I see this stupid pepe it's always behind some abhorrent post clearly created by a woman. Anyone else?

Single mothers raise objectively worse children in almost every metric possible, and this is confirmed by the stats not just my own anecdotes

Both being degenerate, to the ridiculous extreme we are today, and being traditional, to the ridiculous extreme we were yesterday, are bad for everyone involved.

Instead, we should all just be sane.

What do you consider too traditional?
The nuclear family?
Christian communities?
Sex in the missionary positon for the sole purpose of procreation?
Puritans?

> It will also help you build a reputation for yourself.
Also hoping to start a Youtube/Twatter and all the rest to that end, though it's been since middle school that I've done anything with social media
> This is the weapon that Progressives have used against society for the past century, and it has been incredibly successful.
Although this has certainly been the strategy of the movement as a whole, I don't think the progressives themselves are aware of it. I could be totally up my own ass about this, but it seems like progressives become "obsolete" once they get a little older and no longer adopt the movement's new shit, which make each progressive's tactic just one or two "patriarchy smash"es from their own perspective. True though, the movement as a whole has radically warped the mentality of America over the last 150 years (I consider the Liberal scourge to be born sometime in the 1800s. Emancipation and female schoolteachers are two (now very quaint) parts of this, in my opinion))
>I suggested the degree as it will lend you a certain amount of 'credibility' when debating with your opponents
Fair, though I'm not sure it's worth the price. I suppose I could be a professor and wait for tenure to come around, then start indoctrinating at full blast, but I feel like I should shoot higher

>Best of luck.
And to you; we desperately need to train our kind if we're to make any headway. I'm just not sure how. I don't yet understand the mechanism by which meming changes minds, but I can see some tracings of brilliance in it

How are things over in Ireland? I almost never hear it talked about hear, but I've heard it's one of the very best remaining European nations, in terms both of policy and culture

Extremists are sane by their own definitions. Who else's definition do you recommend?

The same people whining about a rise in degeneracy would have a goddamn conniption fit at David Bowie in the 70s and it's laughable that this has gained any traction on a website that was founded in fapping to cartoons. Anyone freaking out about how our kids IQs will be affected should focus their efforts on the lack of funds education is receiving instead of latching onto some perceived family values. Sexual exploration always has and always will be a part of puberty unless you somehow suppress their hormones which I'd argue would fuck them up more than them dressing like a faggot when the mood strikes.

To bump, a related fun fact:
Grizzly bears and Polar bears can produce fertile offspring, so if we considered them like we consider people, they'd be the same species

Also, Las Vegas is where it is because it's the closest spot to LA that you can put a city in Nevada, so it's actually doing minimal environmental damage. Personally, I find it to be a shame that so many concrete deserts are built on Gardens of Eden, though it's not hard to see why it happens

I agree that some exploration is natural, but I think the submissive sex acts are a symptom of fear blocking testosterone production, which is why the most shut-in, cowardly people (a lot of Sup Forums users) tend to go that way.

Source for stress suppressing testosterone:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880087/
Still trying to find my source for the horomonal influence on sexual taste, but that's not that much of a stretch, is it?

Is the argument that it will affect birth rates? Because I don't really see that as a negative thing, our population is huge right now and a decrease would ease up resources.

No; did you read?
I don't think there's anything wrong with submissive sex by itself, but in men, it's often the symptom of an unhealthfully fearful state of mind. That said, I'm sure there are some who naturally tend that way, but I think they're outnumbered

Not trying to argue that it's a social ill by itself, if that's what you're thinking I'm trying to say. Ironically, suppressing it or bullying people over it makes them more fearful, which makes it worse, sort of like bullying emotional eaters for being fat.

To be fair, though, it does lower the number of attractive men for women, which could be considered detrimental

I think it has much more to do with hormones and the thrill of being rebellious to the norms of their parents than fear, but like you said, suppressing it only strengthens it so the notion of trying to force out degeneracy is flawed.

Encouraging non degeneracy would be a good start. At this point there's almost nothing left telling men to be strong and women to be chaste

> I think it has much more to do with hormones
Are you reading any of this? I'm talking specifically about horomones. Horomones are environmentally influenced; you can't just say "it's horomones" like that's some sort of inevitability

>However, finding the measure for 'good' is the hardest thing.

If we know what's bad then it's easy to find out what's good. For example, what I've listed below is obviously bad:

1) Committing violent crimes and stealing other people's property
2) Complete disregard for others
3) Being a fucking parasite
4) Extreme sense of entitlement

Do you really think that will accomplish anything? Teens are driven by their hormones, that's not going to shut down their libidos. There's not much of a reason to either, just let them fap, if it leads to people having fewer kids then that just means less stress on our system.
Do we live on different planests? Surges in sex hormones are part of puberty barring some freak occurrence, as their bodies reach the age where they are capable of mating, their brains make them want to fuck like mad. Teens being horny fuckers isn't something I just made up, it's part of growing up.

>Surges in sex hormones are part of puberty barring some freak occurrence, as their bodies reach the age where they are capable of mating, their brains make them want to fuck like mad.
This is true, but not the only influence of horomones, and the tendency of males toward submissive sex isn't a consequence of this; it's a consequence (in large part) of lowered testosterone from fear. In either case, I think we agree more than not, and I know I'm starting to sound stupid, so I'll stop. I've been a lot more smug than my shit has merited so far