Communism general

Jonathan Cooper
Jonathan Cooper

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTiAtCi6M4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZqVOFSYRWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1YmuWxtlY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_1982
Colton Moore
Colton Moore

Daily reminded that cultural marxism does not exist. Go read some books.

Chase Wright
Chase Wright

We never said it does.

Elijah Ward
Elijah Ward

Communism:
has never existed, despite multiple attempts
every attempt leads to mass starvation of their own people
is easily subverted through other ideologies
solves no problems that other ideologies don't already solve better
no clear solution to fix constant failures
claims human nature either doesn't exist, or is easy to change
fixes none of the cultural issues that would derive from total automation of industry

Fascism:
no two fascist nations have ever gone to war with each other
fascism has never had a mass starvation problem
fascism has actually existed, and it fixes all the problems communism seeks to solve
early fascist failures are easily solved by reducing aggression and warmongering, as shown by other successful fascist nations
utilizes human nature by designing a system meant to take advantage of it
fixes all of the cultural issues that would derive from total automation of industry

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

Capitalism: materialistic

Communism: materialistic

Fascism: enlightened

Gabriel Cox
Gabriel Cox

communism
succeed
kek

Tyler Parker
Tyler Parker

I argued with you all last thread. So this time I'm not going to reply unless you make a really good point.

Matthew Peterson
Matthew Peterson

Fascism: adapts itself to the nation that adopts it, espouses an independent nation with its own culture and religion

Communism: embraces differing cultures coming together despite cultural friction, seeks to destroy religion

Capitalism: is indifferent to cultures and religions, will sell itself out to foreign nations for more wealth

Gavin Hernandez
Gavin Hernandez

materialism
bad

Lincoln Miller
Lincoln Miller

Fascism: environmentalist, but not retarded by being against nuclear power (which is clean and safe)

Communism: Chinese smog and Russian contaminated rivers. So obsessed with massive production they turn into a human version of the Uruk-Hai from Lord of the Rings.

Capitalism: Just as bad as communism. Pray that they find an economic reason to protect the environment, for they shall not do it for moral reasons.

Dominic Thomas
Dominic Thomas

Catalonia got pretty close.

Jace Cooper
Jace Cooper

Fascism: embraces beauty in all things, from the artisan, to the architecture, the clothes that we wear, the nature we preserve, and even the bodies God has gifted us with.

Communism: Demanded that their artwork depict mundane life, so focused on the "collective" that they can't see the beauty in the tiny details, uses bland architecture in communist blocks, and is terrible for their nature.

Capitalism: Will not fund art or architecture unless their is profit to be gained, thus the beauty is sucked out of everything save for a few rare gems which will be sold to the highest bidder anyways, cut off from the world in some millionaire's basement. Doesn't care about nature except when it can sell it off for a profit.

Owen Lee
Owen Lee

???

Blake Powell
Blake Powell

Communism: Starves its nation's own people

Capitalism: Starves other nations peoples

Fascism: No starving

Jayden Gray
Jayden Gray

Nationalism = religion

well it makes sense you relate it to superstitious bullshit

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

How each ideology deals with rising automation

Fascism: retraining programs, with additional military drafting if necessary. Focus on keeping the people working, disciplined, with a purpose in life and strong families and men. Encourage religiousness and traditional sexuality and culture. Allow small family businesses to continue running, but as automation takes over big industries become nationalized.

Communism: Let robots do all the work. Sit around all day becoming fat and lazy. Be forever-complaining that the lifestyles they chose aren't enough to satisfy the human soul.

Capitalist: Bread and circuses. Hire whoever can still be of use for cheap, and keep the rest pacified with basic income and cheap goods meant to corrupt the soul and dull the mind. Drugs, porn, prostitution, mindless television and internet, all are acceptable to keep the population distracted and the anger subdued.

Chase Mitchell
Chase Mitchell

How's Venezuela doing you stupid fucking cunts?

Easton Moore
Easton Moore

How each ideology deals with failure

Communism: Not real socialism/communism, or capitalist subversion, my own special version of communism won't fail though.

Capitalism: Not real capitalism, the markets just need to be freer, the poor people are lazy and don't realize how good they have it

Fascism: Clearly some strategic mistakes were made, we need to back off of the blatant aggression and warmongering and take the long view

Easton Gonzalez
Easton Gonzalez

VENEZUELA'S ELITE ENJOYING THEIR DECADENCE WHILE EVERYONE ELSE IN DIRE POVERTY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTiAtCi6M4

Dominic Ramirez
Dominic Ramirez

You mean that counties that enjoys pretending to be socialist when really it just nationalized 20% of the industry? Yeah. Not great. It seems the oil prices crashed which were its main expert so its collapsing.

Brandon Sullivan
Brandon Sullivan

see

Sebastian Bell
Sebastian Bell

where are these pics from? thanks senpai

Cameron Stewart
Cameron Stewart

The soviet union and china were real socialism but they had the problem of giving there leaders ultimate power. When the leaders have ultimate power getting a bad leader is disastrous.

Kevin Young
Kevin Young

Lasted 3 years
That's just the definition of success right there, user.

Communism was unsuccessful in its crusade against religion every time it was tried, materialism only works if your only needs are physical, but humans desire much more than to simply be fed.

Thomas Mitchell
Thomas Mitchell

capitalism does not work.
communism does not work.
anarchism won't work, it's clear why.

Are there any other good ideologies? Do we even need ideology to follow?

Julian Ward
Julian Ward

You do realize your country has a bigger private sector than Venezuela right?

Oliver Bailey
Oliver Bailey

Sounds like every Communism that ever existed.

Nathan Bell
Nathan Bell

killed by fascists
its communism's fault
what

Angel Adams
Angel Adams

I meant public sector.

Parker Garcia
Parker Garcia

Yeah, tyrannical governments tend to happen a lot under socialism. Not sure why, but it's not my problem.

Youjo Senki, character's name is Tanya.

Hudson Murphy
Hudson Murphy

VIVA FRANCO!!!

Don't forget to install Sup Forums X to completely ignore this shite

Justin Murphy
Justin Murphy

fuck off and drop dead shameless spic commie whore

Ethan Miller
Ethan Miller

Calm down comrade

Oliver Evans
Oliver Evans

All of the socialist governments were basically products of the soviet union which meant they were totalitarian. Lenin didn't want to soviet union to be a dictatorship Stalin betrayed him.

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

Dialectical Materialism is looking at the change of systems (such as feudalism to capitalism) through a scientific lens as opposed to a fantastical lens
It doesn't support consumerist materialism
(I'm assuming this is what you meant)
About as well as the capitalist paradise of El Salvador :^)

Aiden Morales
Aiden Morales

you dog fucker

Leo Rivera
Leo Rivera

How can Communism work when you still haven't figured out a satisfactory solution to the socialist calculation problem? Prices and markets aggregate a huge amount of knowledge that no centralized planning system could hope to grok. Checkmate.

Juan Sanchez
Juan Sanchez

wewlad

Adam Morgan
Adam Morgan

Not sure why

Maybe because all the commies are authoritarian shitstains who cannot stand any dissent and the banning and opression is the FIRST thing they go for when it comes to differing opinions. Just look at any university, any forum, hell, look here - they got btfo so their only recourse was their insider mod.

You often hear the argument that communism doesn't work because of human nature, but that isn't correct, communism always fails because of the nature of communists.

Brayden Ward
Brayden Ward

Market socialism Or an economy that is planned on a local level.

Carson Anderson
Carson Anderson

It's just that I'm noticing a trend among communists, it's never their fault. Soviet Union falls? Capitalist subversion. China kills millions and destroys their culture? Not real socialism. Catalonia is destroyed? Fascist oppression.

Now, I'd be willing to let it slide if there were some successful examples. Sure, Nazi Germany and fascist Italy may have been destroyed, but as least we still have Salazar's Portugal, Franco's Spain, Peron's Argentina, and the nordic countries folkhemmet economy. Communists have nothing, except countries that last for periods of time so short they wouldn't have had time to collapse in on themselves anyways.

And it helps that the problems that caused fascism's fall were pretty obvious, aggression and warmongering, which are pretty easily tempered through neutrality and isolationism, as shown in all the successful examples I gave above.

Julian Howard
Julian Howard

market socialism
wut

Gavin Gonzalez
Gavin Gonzalez

COMMUNISTS CAN FUCKING ROT
parsley SAGE rosemary and thyme.

Levi Foster
Levi Foster

Socialism with a market. All companies turn into cooperatives.

Brandon Cook
Brandon Cook

Fuck off you fake ass spic and your Red shit, go eat mother russian dirt and die in a shitty hole wihle your "leader" eat kavier and rape children.

Liam Perry
Liam Perry

me when commie niggers

Carter Thomas
Carter Thomas

100million deaths later
real cultural marxism doesn't exist
that wasn't real socialism etc pp

I don't get you people

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

centralized economies existed to industrialize non-capitalist countries (like the Russian Empire) so that socialism was actually achievable in a phase known as "state-capitalism" because the state was acting as the capitalist
Communists and socialists alike recognize that this should have been a temporary phase but was ultimately hijacked but corrupt politicians to maintain control over the working classes
what is Yugoslavia
Never understood why capitalists adore the regime that crashed Chile's economy with no survivors

Levi Evans
Levi Evans

China was real socialism before Mao died then the reforms came in and turned t back into capitalism. Because of the increase in living standard more people were born so famines started. Soviet union fell because gorby tried to reform to fast so it fell apart. Anarchists in Catalonia were literally slaughters by fascist's who were funded and supplied by Germany and Italy.

Charles Hughes
Charles Hughes

Marxists are low-iq garbage ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jaxon Young
Jaxon Young

same posts
same posters every fucking time
What the fuck, man

Jonathan Wright
Jonathan Wright

leftypol's raid attempt
Do you really believe you will ever be accepted here? lmao

Joseph Fisher
Joseph Fisher

In the future instead of state capitalism as the transition state we should do market socialism.

Anthony Hall
Anthony Hall

an oldie but a goldie
wtf I love Hitler now

Asher Bennett
Asher Bennett

Cultural Marxism is fake. Real the Frankfurt school and you'll see he was anti-"degeneracy" and its all just a Sup Forums may may.

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

keep up the good fight for real freedom and autonomy brother!

Ian Wood
Ian Wood

My thoughts exactly
All countries on Earth are pretty much industrialized so I see no real point to state-capitalism now either

Jack Parker
Jack Parker

fuck off with this effeminate leftypol raid

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

No, I meant it more as communists tend to view human nature and needs in an entirely materialistic way, once everyone has enough and an equal amount of wealth then everything will be fine.

It's like the issue of automation, socialists tend to point out how we'll all be able to live with no shortages of supplies and wealth, not having to do any work whatsoever. To them, once the physical needs of the population are met, their job is done.

Fascists, however, tend to point out the cultural problems that automation presents. The ensuing laziness and degeneracy that comes from no work, a lack of purpose and community in life, a degradation of discipline, religion, and family. For a fascist, the physical needs of the population will likely be met under their system anyways, but the mental and spiritual needs must also be taken care of.

This also plays out in their view of human nature. For a communist, material determines our nature. Human nature, if it exists, is easily changed, once their system is set up human nature will be as perfected as it can be.

Fascists don't see it that way. They see human nature as the result of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and God's work. It is not easily changed, if it can be changed at all, but it can be utilized to great extent. Thus, we use nationalism, martyrdom and military culture, authoritarianism under charismatic leaders, familial emphasis in life, things that tend to appeal to our base human nature.

Nathaniel Watson
Nathaniel Watson

Didn't Chavez used to be on the list?

Jonathan Morales
Jonathan Morales

Socialism will rise again.

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

reminder to sage all commie threads
sage and do not engage

Hudson Wood
Hudson Wood

Kek hates Marx!

Leo Roberts
Leo Roberts

Oh yeah?

Nicholas Gray
Nicholas Gray

leaf
wants to talk politics

wew lad

Noah Baker
Noah Baker

So how do you plan to prevent future failures of socialism, then? How do you keep your people from voting against it and turning you capitalist? How do you keep your leaders from doing the same?

John Flores
John Flores

Go back to /r/communism

Dominic Thompson
Dominic Thompson

To achieve such a society is impossible, but me and my friends are going to replace the capitalist bourgeois mister mean monopoly man pig-state with a single party autocracy through pillaging and usurpation like every other "marxist" political movement that has seen any prolonged success

ftfy
you want to try something new try bugchasing on craigslist see how that works for ya

Lincoln Reyes
Lincoln Reyes

we must preserve the echo-chamber sekret klub
Maybe, though I wouldn't have approved of that one seeing as he was just a more radical Bernie Sanders
Nor do I really approve of Makhno on it either because he was basically a full out kulak posing as a revolutionary
I see what you're saying, but the commie argument is that after the automation of labor workers will have the time to partake in the recreation activities to better society and it's culture as a whole (more time to paint pictures, record more films, etc.) It's through this that a healthy culture is preserved in the utopian commistan

Hunter Davis
Hunter Davis

posts 18 examples of failed socialist states
This is ironic, right user?

Lucas Bell
Lucas Bell

Well at first there will be a part in the constitution that prevents capitalism due to it being in our eyes theft. After about 50-60 years it will be removed but the hope is that socialism will have benefited everyone so much they wouldn't want to vote against it. As for leaders there are no leaders on direct democracy.

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

Assuming that you're a NatSoc based on your companion pic, you tell me :^)

Dylan Collins
Dylan Collins

after the automation of labor workers will have the time to partake in the recreation activities to better society and it's culture as a whole (more time to paint pictures, record more films, etc.)
But the robots will be able to do all those things far better than us. Who'd want to buy your crappy film when a robot can produce a masterpiece far quicker? Who'd want to make artwork knowing it will be inferior to anything his pet robot can make?

Kevin Hill
Kevin Hill

100% confirmed retard

ok fuck off now

Sebastian Richardson
Sebastian Richardson

Not a nazi, more of a classical fascist (like Mussolini). But good luck finding any fascist waifus and lolis on the internet that aren't Nazis.

Cooper Scott
Cooper Scott

And fall again

Sebastian James
Sebastian James

Fixed

Bentley Torres
Bentley Torres

no u
Fair enough, though I don't think robots will ever get better than us at art in the foreseeable future though (unless you're counting ShitpostBot)
implying Castro didn't betray the workers
The only good things to come from the Castros was a decent healthcare and educational system

Dylan Collins
Dylan Collins

yeah let's throw representative government and self-determination out the window they've got cool hats and stuff

Charles Phillips
Charles Phillips

there will be a part in the constitution that prevents capitalism due to it being in our eyes theft
Seems kind of pointless desu, if you're people or leaders are embracing capitalism then there is already clearly a large upheaval against the current system, not sure what a meager constitution is going to do against revolution or dissipation.

After about 50-60 years it will be removed but the hope is that socialism will have benefited everyone so much they wouldn't want to vote against it.
And if they don't? If me and my fascist buddies decide we'd much rather reform the good ol' USA as a fascist nation, and we decide to only invite our other fascist friends, thus making the whole thing voluntary, what are you gonna do about it?

As for leaders there are no leaders on direct democracy
Are your people going to vote on literally every issue? I can see that working on a small scale, but on a global scale I think it's bound to fail.

Asher Sanchez
Asher Sanchez

We want direct democracy.

Ayden Brown
Ayden Brown

There is some worker self management in Cuba. Around 15% of the economy is coops.

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

liar

Jack Torres
Jack Torres

If direct democracy doesn't work then we could try locally managed government councils the elect representatives to the higher council until there is a high country council who represents everyone.

Camden Bennett
Camden Bennett

The current representative government represents the ruling class not the American people, the solution is to implement direct action as the main way of changing society
Also what's more self-determinate than owning the means of production yourself? Socialism is effectively the answer to the American Dream of "being your own boss"
Don't they have to sell their product at a fixed price? Doesn't that kill the point?

William Edwards
William Edwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

For an ideology that desires a stateless society and democracy, you guys sure suck at actually achieving any of your goals.

Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

We want to make the workplace a democracy. socialism101.com and then gulag yourself.

Joshua Morales
Joshua Morales

Threadly reminder.

Wyatt Brown
Wyatt Brown

nah

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

Wow if 20% nationalization is all it takes the how can a socialist nation even hope to sustain itselfat 100% nationalization?

Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

Cuba has 85%. Norway has 45% fug off. Plus we don't want to nationalize everything we want workers control not state control.

Eli Richardson
Eli Richardson

daily reminder that communism has and will always fail

Luke Lopez
Luke Lopez

marxist "means of production" rhetoric is horseshit
you can't be your own boss when oops looks like a new bigger boss took over this business and all the other businesses in the country and oops he just shot my kids for walking with a bourgeois rhythm oh well back to work
the idea that these supposed socialist transitory states are going to voluntarily give up the power they seize is pure naivete
you could be ruling class yourself if you were a capable social climber

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

Well Cuba sucks and Norway's not socialist so...

Lucas Adams
Lucas Adams

Cuba is pretty nice compared to other Latin American islands.

Nolan Perry
Nolan Perry

you want to overthrow the state you live in for your own gain and pretend that it's for the good of everyone else

Joshua Brown
Joshua Brown

We want everyone to control the business they work in. Thats it.

Leo Johnson
Leo Johnson

QUE TE MUERAS DE UNA PUTA VEZ CON ESTOS HILOS DE MIERDA, JODER.

Samuel King
Samuel King

Socialism is effectively the answer to the American Dream of "being your own boss"

everyone point and laugh

Juan Ortiz
Juan Ortiz

OP is a faggot

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

wtf I hate black people now
ngl that's a pretty dim future if that does end up happening
Though I'm pretty sure any society would eventually hit that point no matter what, it's only a matter of delaying the AI takeover
you could be ruling class yourself if you were a capable social climber
one day I'll own this boot
Also I don't see the point to transitory states now either, seeing as America is definitely industrialized by now

Liam Morris
Liam Morris

In socialism you own and democratically manage the business you work in. Gulag your self.

Isaiah Powell
Isaiah Powell

not an argument

Austin Watson
Austin Watson

It's okay. Probably would've been much better off had it it gone the fascist route though. It wouldn't have been embargoed and it's economy would be growing at a proper rate.

Cameron Scott
Cameron Scott

Oh you mean that island in the carribean where's everyone's poor and drives cars from the 50s? Also Norway has not to my knowledge nationalized any corporations outside of their petroleum industry

Samuel Phillips
Samuel Phillips

not an argument

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

Socialism would solve this by making everyone own the means of production.

Jayden Mitchell
Jayden Mitchell

bullshit

Eli Carter
Eli Carter

Mabye its Denmark but one of the Nordic country has a public sector of 45% of the economy.

Matthew Myers
Matthew Myers

The classic unsourced Sup Forums jpeg
Only rivaled in memery by the dubiously sourced and missourced Sup Forums jpeg

Jason Myers
Jason Myers

Go to gulag. socialism101.com read the basic section.

Jonathan Adams
Jonathan Adams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZqVOFSYRWI

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

we can vote in communism and dismantle society from the inside
this is something that those in power will allow for

Jackson Morgan
Jackson Morgan

I don't remember supporting pacifism

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

you're not fooling anybody

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

Stop posting. Democracy is a central tenet of socialism.

Jace Perez
Jace Perez

it's only a matter of delaying the AI takeover
That's not necessarily a bad thing. Don't get me wrong, keep humans in charge and the AI in an advisor and logistical role in case something goes wrong, but an AI is the perfect leader for a fascist nation. Incorruptible, near omniscient, vast intelligence, able to make decisive commands quickly and with no hesitation. The only thing they don't have is the charisma a human would be able to inspire and unite the nation with.

Oliver Nelson
Oliver Nelson

Have you read Marx? Lenin? any commie stuff?

Thomas Clark
Thomas Clark

Im rich as fuck and never worked a day in my life. Dad is putting me through college with his wallstreet salary. DW MuricaBros, he works for a european bank and fucks over those eurofags rather than hardworking americans. I live in a 3 Million dollar home, and drive my dads old bmw. Fuck socialism. I will die before you fucking loser accidents get ahold of my wealth.

Brayden Gonzalez
Brayden Gonzalez

actually I'm a malevolent larper oops
sweet dude

Julian Sanchez
Julian Sanchez

The problem I was addressing wasn't one of material wealth, it was a lack of purpose and discipline brought on by a complete inability to do anything of worth once the economy makes us obsolete.

Logan Hill
Logan Hill

yes

Noah Gutierrez
Noah Gutierrez

So we need a computer for logistics and a human leader for sociology.

Angel Lewis
Angel Lewis

In other words, you have no arguments because we are undeniably correct

Levi Morris
Levi Morris

capitalism
basic income
No?

Jaxon Bell
Jaxon Bell

Beta cucks like you will always be obsolete. Yay we all get same amount of bread, "gimmie ur bread faggot" see?! now u starve to death for trying to be a lazy faggot.

Carson Hill
Carson Hill

you hate the system because you hate yourself

Lucas Butler
Lucas Butler

roach

Connor Bennett
Connor Bennett

still not an argument

Oliver Watson
Oliver Watson

There will always be a need for human soldiers. Also, when space colonization becomes vast, it will be near impossible to successfully distribute the same type of technology to all planets. That will mean that expansion is a requirement for a opposition to stagnancy.

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

What the fuck are you talking about then?

Jose Howard
Jose Howard

the state seizes the means of production
the state is a group of employed people
mfw workers literally control the means of production

Jose Barnes
Jose Barnes

I'd be down for a robot leader
no need for greed so cannot be corrupted
fast computational skills
is awake 24/7
Only problem is that if it gets hacked or if it glitches
if you believe and A you're stupid and if you believe B you're a larper
Now this is discourse

Jonathan Perry
Jonathan Perry

We could de-automate somethings If we wanted to.

Julian Mitchell
Julian Mitchell

Lmao

Dialectical materialism is fucking pseudoscience.
You people don't even believe in human evolution.

You're the political equivalent of scientology or creationism.

Daniel Hernandez
Daniel Hernandez

It's generally a bad idea to give AI a foothold to where they could achieve dominance; and one with that degree of intelligence is likely self aware and a threat to the white race.

Robert Howard
Robert Howard

I want workers to control the businesses they work in not just some workers controlling everything.

Ryan Perry
Ryan Perry

Because the government are totally the same type of workers as everyone else, not just cushy bluebloods. Communism is so easily corruptible it is laughable.

Easton Parker
Easton Parker

they dont understand who pinochet was all they understand is that the helicopter thing is a meme and thats pretty much as far as the capitalist brain goes

Robert Foster
Robert Foster

Marxists will all be killed.

That's zero chance communism will rise again.

You have no arguments and only post the same autistic images in every thread.

Liam White
Liam White

you people don't even believe in human evolution
If you're suggesting white supremacy show me the gene that give us a higher IQ and I'll convert to national socialism right now

Owen Cooper
Owen Cooper

Capitalism reward people for selfishness and thus people are selfish. Human nature is defined by material conditions not the other way around.

Anthony Carter
Anthony Carter

Post cute Nazi girls please.

Jackson Myers
Jackson Myers

What's that? I couldn't hear your faux intellectual claim over the SOUND OF THE ROTORS COMMIE

Camden Wilson
Camden Wilson

Startling Exposé

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

your economic purpose should be making more money than your parents/giving your kids a better life. Not letting the government chap everyones nipples by sucking on them like the greedy piglet that it is.

Kayden Gonzalez
Kayden Gonzalez

Basically. AI makes the efficiency of capitalism irrelevent, but we still need a human leader in charge in case something goes wrong with the AI, and to lead a human population looking for a role model to show us that we still matter.

By capitalism I mean the standard liberal mixed economies we have today. Pure capitalism has rarely, if ever, been done before, so it's just more practical to use it this way. And since mixed economies will likely use basic income to deal with automation, that's why I brought it up.

What? First, you sound like an 8 year old. Second, what exactly are you trying to say? How does what you said relate to what I said in any way?

Matthew Walker
Matthew Walker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1YmuWxtlY

Wyatt Cox
Wyatt Cox

How goes the 8th grade?

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

yeah let's just kill everyone that'd even things out. this is a sensible position to take on things and I'm not an embittered aspie.

literal primitivist
holy lel

Jeremiah Wood
Jeremiah Wood

But how can u be sure the leader is actually human? I mean ffs a lizardperson just ran the country for 8 years.

Liam Scott
Liam Scott

Soldiering is one of the few jobs I can see remaining in the future. Mass conscription could be a solution, especially for a fascist nation (I highly doubt a communist society would decide to go that route).

Joshua Parker
Joshua Parker

Gee I wonder how the nation of the United States was born
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_1982
Nice growth

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

discord friendies piss and moan about me not taking your larp thread seriously
posts a fucking airhorn meme video with some che stickers on it

David Sanchez
David Sanchez

yeah let's just do it again let's go around killing lots of people this is a very good idea and I am a good person for postulating about the virtues of mass murder because it is for a good cause

like you're literally worse than the nazi weeaboo spamfucking your thread right now. good job

Kayden Lee
Kayden Lee

put every bourg in the morgue my dude.

Jacob Reed
Jacob Reed

Fuck off, schlomo.

Sup Forums is a NatSoc board.

Ian Fisher
Ian Fisher

thats epic

Christian Murphy
Christian Murphy

Thanks.

Carter Williams
Carter Williams

why don't you give ole pic related a read you fuckin' dweeb

Gavin Long
Gavin Long

totally not circle jerk

Jordan Green
Jordan Green

Oh great, the spaniard strikes again. If you're going to post, please avoid:
1) Walls of text
2) Hour long videos
3) Book recommendations
4) Terrible memes

Christopher Lopez
Christopher Lopez

why do you dickheads waste your fucking time here anyway?

Levi Baker
Levi Baker

they think tolling us

Benjamin King
Benjamin King

I don't understand commies, but fascists on the NatSoc and fasc threads agree with me too much, so I like trying to figure out what makes commies tick while also discrediting their silly ideology.

Xavier Phillips
Xavier Phillips

At least you contribute something to the thread.

Elijah Gomez
Elijah Gomez

op is a fag

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