Socialism/Communism General

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
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You're gonna have to phonepost to save face, now.

WE'RE COMING BUCKOS

>phonepost

what does that mean?

Hello comrades

>youtube.com/watch?v=CmOUDMAtRt4&feature=youtu.be&t=3m20s
>youtube.com/watch?v=R6G0qZrFeFU
>debunked ideology
Into the trash it goes.

I-is that you, spanish commie?

"S-socialism doesn't work..!"
Says increasingly nervous businessman for the 70th time this year

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>(((((Communism)))))

Good goy.

yep.

Daily reminder that communism is dead, will stay dead, and it's utopia won't ever come to existance.

>no arguments
Opinion discarded.

stfu already.

there is no freedom in a state regulated socialist country.

grow up.

Stalinist Socialism =/= socialism

>Taking what he is saying out of context
>not reading the rest

fuck off.

SAYS INCREASINGLY NERVOUS PORKY

A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions.Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

Only logical methods of making a wealthier society:
>make people behave and work better
>allocate resources more effectively

How commies plan on doing it:
>pay people to not work
>abolish the only method of knowing value

D E L U S I O N A L

not how reality works.

you talk about your communist revolution for how long now?
still, nothing happened.

>youtube.com/watch?v=M_dnRA5NFhs
>youtube.com/watch?v=f-woaDniFQc
>private property gets actually abolished
>means of production get actually seized
>human rights naturally vanquish
>no market, no value
>with no measurement of value they don't know how to measure productivity
>food goes short
>millions starve to death
>survivors live in poverty for the rest of their lives
Commies are literally worst than getting nuked.

Its happened plenty of times, socialism is still big and healthy.

>qUCK

"i don't know the difference communism and socialism, nor how the two actually work: the post

brazil was a mistake

conservative communist here. we need to kill all nonwhites, fags and other degenerates. they are ruining our cause among the common working men.

The essential conditions for the existence and for the sway of the bourgeois class is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on competition between the labourers. The advance of industry, whose involuntary promoter is the bourgeoisie, replaces the isolation of the labourers, due to competition, by the revolutionary combination, due to association. The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.

>socialism is still big and healthy.

go in a socialist country first, live there a bit, then talk.

I find that goal noble.

Non-whites are fine, and eventually you'll grow out of your hatred. You'll find scum anywhere, and you'll find gems everywhere.

>Sweden
>Denmark
>Norway
>People's Republic of China
>Democratic People's Republic of Korea
>Cuba

compared to

>Somalia
>Greece
>Eastern Europe

Do you ever sleep you cringy autistic weeaboo neckbeard commiecuck?

Remember those socialist computing science teachers that you used to shield yourself from the economic calculation problem? Turns out they can't even begin to explain the system they proposed. Really makes you think, huh?

tl:dr

>/thread

Central planning doesn't work.

Get a job. A real job.

>10 posts by this ID

>13 Posters
>37 replies
>10 posts by this ID
lol

Closing this tab now. Sage.

>Sweden
complete mess.
>Denmark
>Norway
paying literally twice the price of a car, expensive, getting taxed to death.
state knows whats best for you.
>People's Republic of China
horrific living conditions, forced labour, executions for organ harvest.
>Cuba
poor. nice place, but poor.

how do i woo a socalist qt?

The cognitive dissonance is too strong for you to read 3 small emails on your own thread. Commies are truly the most pathetic creatures in the political spectrum.

>socialist qt

Wut? Better stick to 2d like that autistic spanish commie neckbeard

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Shit idpol
most true communists are against mass refugees.

Whats wrong with posting?

You literally do not need a massive amount of wealth to be happy. but:

>USA
horrid living conditions for poor, treats its people like shit. Have to have SOME income or you're fucked.

>Somalia
Literally the worst country.

>anywhere with rampant capitalism
complete degeneracy.

You have plenty in sweden

>most true communists are against mass refugees.

Why do lefty/pol/ neckbeards pretend to be "redpilled"?

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
>The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality. The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got.

Socialism is before communism you fucking nigger.

but she's really pretty and sweet :3
i know, give me a nice quote by marx

>horrid living conditions for poor, treats its people like shit. Have to have SOME income or you're fucked.

doesnt look like it tbqh

>Literally the worst country.
there is a story to that, involving dumping waste and killing all the fish

>anywhere with rampant capitalism
>complete degeneracy.

its not capitalism to blame.

its still marxism which is active promoting degeneracy.
>im a professor!
look it up

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>muh everyone is equal
Fuck off.

>chatting with bots
>2017
This is a shill circle in the iddle, while no major news like putin death or aleppo bombing they shill for communism, to keep their hands busy

Heres one.

>Doesn't look like it desu

Its because you're on the other side of the world.

>Theres a story to that
RAMPANT CAPITALISM

>Its still marxism which is active promoting degeneracy
Marxism tells people "Yes, you CAN dress up in dog outfits and put on womens uniform!..But why would you?"

Capitalism with its abundance of unnecessary freedom is what causes degeneracy

Not true, we're different, but we should all treat each other the same.

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

with all due respect comrade the nonwhites are incompatible and demoralizing to our community. if we are realistic our goals can never be accomplished without ethnic and cultural homogeneity.

>when you can't explain the system you've been advocating for months
woah, feels good not being a delusional idiot wasting my life in fantasies.

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tl;dr

probably read them later.

Its not non-whites desu.

yes, they're different to us, and think different. But we did domesticate the dog after all.

You won't read them later, you are delusional person who doesn't want to confront any contradictory information. Just look at the autistic Spaniard, he's been ignoring me for at least two weeks. Even after I spoke to the professors of the paper he was spamming. I doubt you are any different.

I will read them.

Im coming for your toothbrush, monkey.

Why haven't you read them already? Why did you make 3 posts before actually reading them? Faggot.

Also

>using "desu"
You should non-ironically kill yourself.

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Gonna read them when i have time.

Also, t..b..h is filtered

newfag out

>non-ironically

Four posts before actually interacting. You are not going to read them. You faggot. You had the time, and you didn't do it. As I already said it, you are a delusional little faggot incapable of logically explaining your beliefs.

im gonna read them.

But i'll probably just disregard them as reddit tier "intellectuals".

prolly the latter.

fuck off commies

youtube.com/watch?v=mggaYIMm8gw

>writting 5 posts about not having time to read 3 short emails
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

>Sweden
mixed economy not full socialist

>Denmark
see above

>Norway
see above + oil bennies

>People's Republic of China
shite hole

>Democratic People's Republic of Korea
shite hole

>Cuba
shite hole

>Somalia
anarchist

>Greece
commies run it now

>Eastern Europe
commies ran it

fake titties ruined her

Maybe because I am not interested now.

Plus i have this annoying monkey faggot breathing down my neck.

>Nordic countries
on their way to true socialism

>China
Thriving economy, no unemployment
currently cucking everyone.

>Korea
Literally perfect

>Cuba
better off under Castro than Capitalism

>Somalia
Anarcho-****CAPITALIST****

>Greece
Shithole before socialism

>EE
see above

Get a load of this gigantic fucking faggot.

rood desu

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>true socialism
forgot the trademark boyo

>Thriving economy,
it's a smog covered depressive shite hole, certainly wouldn't make it out to be a model of what you're going for if you want people to get on side

>Literally perfect
is this a /leftypol/ / reddit maymay?

>Anarcho-****CAPITALIST****
nah just anarchism and chaos without aim because it's a nog filled shite hole

>Shithole before socialism
and after and during, gee wiz

>see above
kept a shitehole despite being run by gommies

And I fucking called it.

>"You won't read them later, you are delusional person who doesn't want to confront any contradictory information. Just look at the autistic Spaniard, he's been ignoring me for at least two weeks. Even after I spoke to the professors of the paper he was spamming. I doubt you are any different."

I literally called it right in front of him. Fuck these delusional commie faggots.

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>CHAYNA
well Market Socialism isnt perfect

>/pol
>Against North Korea
is this a meme

>>Somalia isnt capitalist, anywhere.

>Greece
Will be first communist country

>EE
Is shit because of continuous cappie influence

Holodomor was too merciful for cappie scum

>mercenary
He would've slaughtered your cappie cucks just as quick.

Christ, you're annoying.

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>claim that you will engage
>don't engage after 8 posts
>"Christ, you are so annoying"
M E N T A L D I S O N A N C E

youtube.com/watch?v=CmOUDMAtRt4&t=200s
youtube.com/watch?v=R6G0qZrFeFU
youtube.com/watch?v=Jqv1out48E4
Reminder: commies are delusional and are inadvertently obsessed with destroying their own nations.

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No it's blatant Isolationism you fucking nigger

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Socialism may be our last hope.

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G A S
A
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Its literally never been tried.

How is that so hard to understand?

To soon.

Fuck off OP. Under 15 year olds GTFO.

Does the commie think that it matters if mass migration is legal or not? Really?

>communism thread
>doesn't start and end with a download link to The Gulag Archipelago
Sup Forums what are you doing? Communism has been refuted for decades now.

My property belongs to me go away

no it doesn't

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yes it does

no

Yes, but edgy leftist losers want to colonize this board to look cooler, because their boards are lame (mostly because of them). Leftists = childish faggots

yes
do you agree that the concept "theft" does exist?

Commies are shit but capitalists are worse.