Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
does your socialist transition utopia not require a state?
Jackson Cruz
The socialist state controlled by the working class.
Jayden Hernandez
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Cameron Baker
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Alexander Fisher
This is how the world views you commies.
Jayden Perry
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Cooper Powell
Even a scientist is a prole since sells his work for a wage.
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The bourgeoisie are the class which owns the means of production but does not use them you can think of the means of production as anything 'used' to generate profit e.g. a factory, a shop, a car, machinery, etc if you own means of production but are self-employed, and do not employ anyone else, then you are not bourgeois if you do not literally own means of production but in effect control it, you are bourgeois (e.g. CEOs who do not literally own their companies, but as they run the company they 'own' it in the sense that they decide what is done with it, they decide their own wages, etc) a good litmus test: ''1. do you work for a wage? 2. do you get to decide your wage? 3. do you get to decide anyone else's wage?'' if yes to 1 but not to 2 or 3, you are not bourgeois if yes to 1 and 2 but not to 3, you are petit-bourgeois if yes to all three, you are in effect bourgeois if you do not work for a wage at all, but rather own the means of production directly, then you are absolutely bourgeois
If you own a small shop that you run for a living making 50k USD a year you are petite bourgois. If you are a heart surgeon making 150k USD a year but you work for a hospital and you aren't in charge of hiring of firing anyone you are fully proletarian. Labour aristocracy maybe but still proletarian. It is not a question of income, but a question of ones relationship to the means of production.
Jayden Mitchell
Fuck, mate you get in quick, I didn't even have time to get the pasta... Doing gods work
Nicholas Cooper
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Parker Nguyen
Fuck off jew moor scum. Vendido
Julian Johnson
Also pic related.
Nolan Smith
The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Blake Allen
sounds like a special way of sugar coating a corrupt bureaucracy
Henry Murphy
yeah that's cool and everything but I don't really care about who owns the means of productions as long as they produce what I want for cheapest price possible, can your system achieve that ?
Michael Turner
I want to seize your boypussy comrade.
Post bp.
Joshua White
Don't just accuse something of being a slide thread, post the link to the thread being slid.
Lucas Fisher
Yes comrades! Down with the berogosie!
Jose Taylor
Communism is inherintly anti white and jewish.
Gabriel Brown
Let this sink in......
You commies can't even attend his grave, how sad
Aiden Rivera
>yeah that's cool and everything but I don't really care about who owns the means of productions as long as they produce what I want for cheapest price possible, can your system achieve that ?
Yes.
A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.
Ryder Perez
One of the components of capitalism is "valorisation". You better know it as a "mark-up". It's what an owner does to a worker's labor, and what speculator does to commodities. This contributes to "economic growth", the amount of commodities stays the same, but value keeps going up.
Blake Ward
Pottery
Nathan Myers
yeah duh selling stuff is working too you want them to do it for free?
Luis Rivera
>when you're so retarded and undeveloped you can't understand how your whining about the rich on an anonymous internet forum is only possible because of capitalism, the one system ever created that can motivate people to generate wealth reliably If you come for my property I will take great pleasure in killing you.
Alexander Taylor
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Juan Wilson
FPBP. >In the autumn >leafs do fall >but before that commies hang >plopping down from gallows just like that
Brandon Ortiz
Of course not, but the cycle of capital is exploitative and not sustainable.
10 obtain cheapest labor and best machines 20 to produce products at the cheapest price 30 to realize the surplus-value and obtain super-profits 40 to invest and GOTO 10
In practice, not only does this cycle trap you where should you get ahead, you must stay ahead, it is also not sustainable as eventually it leads to overaccumulation of capital.
Overaccumulation causes overinvestment, which leads to bubbles, and consumption crashes. Economic crises become routine.
Christian Ward
Reminder that communism can't exist without a global revolution Reminder that globalists are communists
Camden Williams
It's funny that every problem Sup Forums has with "socialism" is already a problem under the current capitalist system.
Name a single problem exclusive to socialism, I dare you.
Ryan Torres
I love how these threads reinforce every stereotype about Communists >Post propaganda from Communist states that were "not real Communism" >Complete inability to explain ideology without resorting to "lol read a book nigger" >Intellectually feeble, will ignore criticism if shitposting proves inadequate >Talk in circles, throws around vague answers using terms they refuse to define Normally I'd have to buy a ticket to watch an idiot make an ass of himself but God bless ya OP you give it out for free.
Brandon Cook
A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common.
lad I don't want to hurt your feelings but there might be a slight possibility it's wishful thinking
How delusional can you possibly be? Everybody got food, and yet Yeltsin gave up on communism after visiting an American supermarket. Everybody got education, except of course those that dared criticize the regime. They got a trip to the Gulag. They "won" WW2 at the cost of more dead soldiers than any other military force, and then celebrated by raping and killing innocent civilians.
Carter Fisher
>le stoopid poor people meme
Owen Adams
>le not real communism meme
By definition it's not communism my man. It's state capitalism.
Logan Gomez
Part of that may have to do with the fact that the USSR aimed for full employment over maximum efficiency.
Right because actual Communism is literally impossible to implement.
Leo Jenkins
It would save the white race. Fuck Drumpf and fuck white people. :^)
Lucas Fisher
Because poverty is more than intelligence. The current system isn't some flawless system where input of good character and individual motivation exclusively yield high mobility to the upper class and where poor decisions and poor character lead exclusively to poverty. Economic classes consist of more than that. Knowing that social structure is more complex than a rat race is literally basic economics and basic sociology.
Daniel Carter
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Ethan Gonzalez
>communism is literally too intelligent for Sup Forums
Joshua Reed
Ez like your mother. You will run out of other people's money. Take your comrade shit back to whatever kikeville utopia you dream of. We should have just killed everyone we conquered. Now we have a bunch of peasants and retarded commies running amok. Liberals should be gassed on the spot.
Wyatt Williams
Calm down, and go back to The_Donald
Andrew Morales
I live upon on the sweat of my brow. If you do not i ask only why you deserve breath. To disdain or employ any form of Government when the most powerful nation was founded upon capitalism. It doesn't hold true to its principle foundation, because Humans are mere parasitic scum. Still it holds the greatest integrity. Your globalist socialism paradise will crumble as the people you try to control will slaughter you
David Green
Why are communists so disgusting?
David Evans
>Economic classes consist of more than that. like what? I'm not saying the current system is flawless, far from that, but I fail to see why someone intelligent and qualified wouldn't be hired, it's in the interest of the guy who could hire him to do so
Samuel Barnes
Antonio please stop
Benjamin Ortiz
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Noah Johnson
lol you did wat?
Adam Campbell
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Caleb Reed
All commies and thread sliders will hang.
Levi Long
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Jason Anderson
what's the mecanism that is supposed to replace the market to judge the merit of individuals under a communist system?
Nathaniel Stewart
The other members of the co-op you will be working with.
Daniel Wood
One very easy way of telling that this goy is a shill and a traitor?
He not once tries to approach Sup Forums on the very obvious common ground that the (((financial elite/"capitalists"))) are in fact, juden
instead he just autistically screeches at anyone and everyone, even those that agree with him on most points, and tries to shove his blood-thirsty, insane version of "communism" down everyone's throats...or else.
but that criteria is totally unrelated to the usefulness of the good I produced, i could work hard as fuck for something worthless and that would be considered good
Owen Ross
you're my hero
Anthony Ward
Just started researching our local anti communist laws here in Texas, didn't even know we had them until the idiots in the group I have infiltrated started talking about them, time to see what evidence I can collect and if they will really lock these faggots up for it.
Isaiah Hernandez
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Levi Brown
Goods being produced for their use value rather than for exchange is a feature of socialism. Don't hypothesize about "worthless" goods, socialist system excludes them a priori.
Andrew Russell
You should totally do it.
Nathaniel Walker
who gets to decide what is useful and whatnot?
Sebastian Ross
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Aiden Martin
Central planning, decentralized planning, worker councils etc. etc.
Angel Jackson
>muh 66 gorillion >reading to the lies of a butthurt monarchist
Jaxon Evans
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James Rogers
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David Smith
you should be put in gulag fag :D
Tyler Miller
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Adrian Torres
>I don't want to work >Communism: those with skill -> those in need Seems good to me
