In about a month we will have a referendum to determine if Catalonia becomes a country or not, potentially a very huge happening with many repercussions.
I'm gonna vote YES when the time comes. Ask anything if you're interested, preferably no spanish trolls. AMA
Why is independence so important for Catalans? In my view it would just make both sides more divided and weaker.
Jesus, talk about too much estrogen in the water supply.
Do you think Catalonia will really separate from Spain or are you just optimistic?
I've never met a catalan which wasn't a nu-male. Spain and the whole Europe could suffer for those maricones
Because all catalans only feel catalan and we want to have our own country.
The best way to understand it would be to put yourself in the same situation as us: imagine Germany conquered the Netherlands and it became a little region subservient of Berlin, wouldn't you want to be independent? The reasons you'd use to justify you're dutch and the need for an independent Netherlands are the same reasons I want my country to be Catalonia and not Spain.
true indeed; but having to stand on your own merits is the bane of cuckoldry.
I hope they become independent and iberianfags get their peninsula under control.
>Do you think Catalonia will really separate from Spain or are you just optimistic?
Honestly I think winning the referendum will be very hard because of demographic issues, we (catalans) have become a minority in our land.
I see two ways we can win tho:
1. Allow only those born in Catalonia to vote.
2. Use weather modding technology to create the biggest storm in decades so only catalan nationalists risk going outside to vote (yes I'm a bit desperate).
In case the YES wins I have no doubt we will become independent, Spain won't be able to stop us.
Typical spanish gibmigrant going to take other people's jobs in foreign countries. You have to go back Paco.
Who the fuck cares about Catalsomething. No one. Post sauce to that gif tho.
I'm not spanish, but, as an Italian, I've met my share of spaniards
I sincerely hope you win your referendum and gain autonomy: you will be used as a lesson for all those who could cause the balcanization of Europe, also real spaniards could enjoy a sharp decrease in cuckoldry
>implying a new country in Europe and the break up of Spain wouldn't be a happening we all would enjoy
And I don't have the sauce I'm afraid.
Ofc you're spanish Paco, as if a real italian would say maricones lol.
Bump
What do you think about Basque independence? Also, will Spain really allow this?
I can say froci/ricchioni if you want, do you think that an italian wouldn't know the basic spanish insults?
>giving each group its own homeland
>not good
Sounds good to me senpai, unless subversive elements are behind it
Why do you guys insist on using that meme dialect? Its like a less-efficient version of Spanish.
I don't give a fuck about flags I just want my catalonian caliphate inshallah it will be soon
sure is good from an american point of view, not from a european one
>not recognizing the value a language holds for one's heritage
If catalans were far right anti Jew anti muslim I'd support them but nah there just fucking eu cucks
How do you get around the constitutional question? I'm fairly certain that the Spanish constitution says something along the lines of 'Spain is indivisible'.
why are so many catalan separatists communists?
>Ask a catalan separatist anything
What the fuck is Catalonia?
would valencia and the baeleric islands join catalonia since they are the same language but different dialects or is it just catalonia?
YOU CAN TELL SHE TAKES MASSIVE BBC
YOU JUST KNOW
>Abandon your culture and roots in favor of efficiency
Fucking globalist.
Listen to your overlord, see:
>I don't give a fuck about flags I just want my catalonian caliphate inshallah it will be soon
Then you need to vote "remain" and integrate further into the EU, you braindead moron: Mutti Merkel will make sure everybody in Europe are shitskinned towelheads within a couple generations.
I hope all Puerto Ricans are that cucked, hopefully they will never become a state. As much as I favor groups embracing their heritage, I don't want millions of Spanish speakers
islam doesn't mean sharia law, just watch women from türkiye, morocco or syria
>The best way to understand it would be to put yourself in the same situation as us: imagine Germany conquered the Netherlands
Spain didn't conquer Catalonia. Catalonia was part of Aragon. Aragon and Castille were united by the marriage of the Catholic Monarchs
>What do you think about Basque independence? Also, will Spain really allow this?
If we succeed then basques will go next I'm 100% sure. Ofc Spain won't allow it but what are they going to do, send the tanks?
Foreign people don't know about the reality of Spain so here is a quick summary. Spain is a multinational country just like the UK, the main difference is that in the UK England is the biggest and most populated region and also the "locomotive" and economic powerhouse of the country and thus the smaller nations like Scotland and Wales are more or less happy to follow the big dog. In Spain, instead, Castile is the biggest and most populated region but has always trailed behind Catalonia and the Basque country in the economy and general development so nationalistic and separatist sentiments are very strong here.
If you take a look these regions are very important for the spanish economy, Catalonia has the biggest total GDP of Spain and the Basque country the fifth, the former being in fourth place per capita and the later the second. Excluding the capital only 4 other regions are above average and these ones are very lowly populated compared to the drag that represent the majority of the spanish population. So it's no wonder the spanish goverment will fight tooth and nail so we remain in the country because without us they're toast.
Now the Basque Country and Navarre (this one is semi-basque) have a special economic system with privileges which the other regions don't have, and there have been many talks to take it from them. If Catalonia become independent there would be a lot of pressure so the Basque Country and Navarre pay their fair share of taxes, thus pushing them too to their own independence movement.
tldr: Spain depends heavily on Catalonia and the Basque country to survive and the spanish goverment will do the impossible so we keep being part of it.
WE WUZ CONQUISTADORKS AND SHIET
You still haven't given us sauce on the OP image, not getting anything on reverse search.
Good and interesting post, I'll be rooting for you guys and will make sure to visit if you become independent!
It's our own language so ofc we're gonna speak it and it is essential if you live in Catalonia.
That would be the opposite, Europe is very rich in nations and peoples so small countries are the best approach.
Sadly joining the EU is wanted by the majority, we're not cucks but as any place only a minority of the population is truly redpilled.
I know but after all it's just a piece of paper. If their argument is "you can't decide your own future because in this document we wrote says you can't" they won't go anywhere.
My grandfather probably hunted down your grandparents like the filthy catalonian dogs they were. Hala Madrid faggot
>it is essential if you live in Catalonia.
not in Barcelona. Stop fooling my bros
For the Basque country to be fully independent it would also require France to relinquish territory. Do you really see Spain giving a referendum to the Basque people anytime soon? It would be seen as giving in to ETA, they only disbanded in what? 2011?
We (catalans) are not but there is a sector of separatists that are indeed dirty commies. The explanation is simple: Catalonia attracted millions of poor spanish immigrants, they have been born and lived here for many decades so many have become independentists. As you can imagine since they're not ethnically catalan their vision of Catalonia is that of a socialist republic where everyone is welcomed, in other words it's immigrants shilling for civic nationalism.
I very much doubt it. Only a very tiny minority of valencians and balearics want that.
Yeah we united because of the marriage of a king many centuries ago. That's even worse than a conquest imo.
You do realise this is one big larp? Spain will, as they did before, just ignore the vote
what will you do when we muslims become a majority in wilayat catalonia?
>Now the Basque Country and Navarre (this one is semi-basque) have a special economic system with privileges which the other regions don't have, and there have been many talks to take it from them. If Catalonia become independent there would be a lot of pressure so the Basque Country and Navarre pay their fair share of taxes, thus pushing them too to their own independence movement.
yeah, look at the balkans, that sure looks great
also: catalonians are die-hard europeist, aren't they? They'll gain indipendence from Madrid to be still under "foreigners" rule (european bureucrats")? What are you actually gaining? And what are you losing?
>Navarre is semi Basque
Wrong.
Sovruntee innit.
Its like the retard scots who want independence and then want eu membership. Swapping london for brussels.
Why do far left shithole commies (Québec, Scotland, Catalonia) always want independence despite relying the most on their own host country?
Pic related. We will be having a referendum to become independent of Spain in october 1.
Thanks mate.
You will only use spanish if you're a toilet cleaner, garbage man or work at mcdonalds. In any job that requires to use the brain catalan is more needed than spanish.
I was only refering to the Basque Country in Spain. Spain won't allow any referendum, the basques have to take the initiative and do it themselves regardless of what the spanish goverment says.
Wasn't it at least historically Basque speaking?
I'm happy to see a pro Catalan thread created by someone other than me
I got two questions
What are you're thought on your hermanos is galicia gaining independence
Do you agree that Puigdemont will separate if the vote goes through or will he fall short
>#NotAllMuslims
Go peddle this bullshit somewhere else, Abdul.
All the muslims have been imported and given spanish nationality by Spain, so technically they're spanish and could be deported. But as much as I'd like that to happen it seems unlikely, at least being independent we will finally be able to control our borders and decide who come here and who doesn't.
Well now we're under the rule of Spain who at the same time are under the rule of the EU. At least we will get rid of one of them. It's a win no matter how you look at it.
Pic related, it is. I've been to Navarre and in the northern part you see basque flags everywhere.
Actually Spain rely on us.
Yes. The Navarrese (sorry if I spelled it wrong I'm Italian) are basque, but they just got influenced by the Castilian too much. North Navarre is very basque but the south identifies with Castile
St. Francis Xavier and Ignacio Loyola were basque from Navarre, but Spain claims them as their own
Also, you also have duties thowards Europe. You will make Europe weaker, possibly starting a chain reaction which could destroy the EU.
That said, I'm a europeist, even if I think that Italy doesn't really need Europe, for the character of my people is such that, whatever happens, we will always be in the first 10 position of quality of life, while not having to fear wars (the same can't be said for many other western countries).Yet, I hope we can make this thing work, but you're damaging "our" cause by being selfish, because your indipendece can have awful consequences and is, unequivocabily, a meme.
catalonia (or spanish marsh, for the french) is the easternmost part of spain. It has nice mediterranean beaches, brown people loitering around and some catalans here and there.
the north has mountains and is cold enough to have snow. It is also the best part of the region, with the best people as well
if it pisses off the globalists/libtards I'm all for it, good luck.
Based catalonia, start the seperatism.
Based basque country
Based andalucian seperatists based galician seperatists, this will get different regions to question if they really want union with other lands.
Why is Catalonia filled with so many commies? i might consider supporting your cause if it wasnt associated with so much cancer
The main reason that Catalans want independence is because they got brain bashed into believing that Spain steals taxes and if they get independent they will have double nationality meaning double benefits double pay check when you cant move your ass.
The ideologically motivated ones aren't even noticeable besides the ones sitting in office, just remember them that if they get independent burgers will plant their Carrier in Tarragona and all that free money promised will be given directly to the new overlords.
How will you keep Catalonia from becoming a communist/ anarchist breeding ground?
It's Hitomi.
>What are you're thought on your hermanos is galicia gaining independence
0 chance, galicians feel very spanish and are very proud of being part of Spain. PP (right wing pro-spanish political party) always wins the most votes there.
>Do you agree that Puigdemont will separate if the vote goes through or will he fall short
If the referendum finally happens and the YES wins then I'm sure Puigdemont will declare Catalonia independent.
But what I think that will really happen is that the spanish goverment will become increasingly nervous and cede and give Catalonia more autonomy so Puigdemont cancels the referendum.
The worst thing is that Catalan independence is inevitable. Why? Because Madrid gave Catalonia control of education and tv. So they pump out pro Catalan messages 24/7. Young Catalans support independence even more than older people.
That's unlike Scotland, where because of no 2 languages like Catalan vs Spanish, the Scots watch the neutral BBC.
So its gonna happen if not now but 10 years time.
Sup Forums should support independence for various peoples. Making countries smaller and more local is a position that makes sense in anti-globalist terms. And if they are liberal that just means that the future Spain will be easier for conservatives to influence without meddling minorities.
Why even bother?
Catalonians aren't fuckin people cuck boy
>have their own language
>likely have their own traditions
Sounds like a distinct group, friendo
Well now I'm disappointed. Thanks, I can see the face now.
>0 chance
The Gallego in me died a bit
Pretty much everyone in Galicia speaks Galician as a first and primary langage, outside coruña Santiago, vigo and ourense. Why would they feel more Spanish?
Arabs have their own language and culture, guess what? They aren't people either.
We have the same ammount of commies like anywhere in Europe really. The "Catalonia is commie" is a meme created by spaniards to defame us.
Check pic related, after the restoration of democracy in Spain a right wing party has won 8 elections, 1 a nationalist party and only 2 a socialist party (kinda like your labour). Hardly the results you'd expect in a heavily communist region don't you think?
Lies. We're catalan so we want to live in a country called Catalonia, it's this simple.
Won't happen don't worry. Catalonia will improve very much once we put catalans in charge to make decisions.
m8 ive been to barcelona, its fucking swamped with niggers and 40-year old pajeets selling mojitos.
what do you even want, more niggers?
edgy
You are Spanish, OP, and you always will be!
Dont forget you are here forever.
If we don't become a state we'll just keem moving to the mainland like we've been doing for the last few years. 100k estimated to leave by year-end
>I don't want millions of Spanish speakers
Too bad there's already more PRs in the mainland than the island itself.
because 80% of the gallegos live in the cities you mentioned, and they indeed are as much castillians as they are galicians
we will preserve their language and some culture though, we couldn't save asturian dialects here (except for mirandese) but galician is very well decomented and can be re-created without problems (like basque was)
Na, nothing is going to happen
>10 years time.
they said this 10 years ago
>Worst case scenario
Guarcia Civil enters Parlament the Cataluña says hi to based Mossos de Squadra guarding the entrance.
Takes the President del Parlament and they drag him around Barcelona for a bit of a show
Done.
Hopefully we'll dump you all together
Can we talk about something important like... source?
Whay types of demographics are against seperatism, nationalists?
Why would nationalists support a state that is against your people?
Spanish state allows immigration, is anti nationalist and oppresses the people.
As a catalonian Spaniard the only thing we can do is ignore the larp. They want to secede on a 51% for vote, not sanctioned by the spanish government and regardless of turnout. It's the most illegitimate farce I ever heard of. They make a mockery of democracy and they will force me to vote for the PP for the first tiem in my life.
La unión hace la fuerza
shut up kid, you even hiding behind a Nazi flag larping
Show your real face!
Dude there is 2 catalan TV channels while countless of spanish ones, and there is no politics in school.
Exactly this. You'd expect Sup Forums to support our nationalistic endevour instead of supporting globalism. That being said many anons here are spanish users so it's normal they're against us.
>Why would they feel more Spanish?
No idea really. Of the 3 historical nations (Catalonia, the Basque Country and Galicia) only Galicia is pro-spanish. And I don't want to seem pessimistic but spanish is increasingly being used there instead of galician. Keep in mind Franco was galician, and so is Rajoy.
Trump supports self-determination, so that won't happen :^)
There are scottish channels and scots have significant control over education. In fact it's been in the news how their new curriculum fucked up maths, english and science results completely.
Catalonia was a commie/syndicalist stronghold in the civil war. Don't tell me a great deal of that sentiment hasn't survived.
If you haven't Homage to Catalonia, you'd best get cracking.
they want more gibs me dats for their political class, nothing new.
Madrid will give them more privileges if they keep the pressure on, and they know it
Do it. You can live without them; they might not be able to live without you.
>Spain controls immigration
>we get flooded with shitskins
>Catalonia controls immigration
>we get to decide who comes here and who doesn't
What I see is the chance of improvement.
Outside Catalonia everyone is against us except basques and a few valencians, balearics and galicians.
In Catalonia the core separatists voters are ethnic catalans while anti-independence voters are spanish immigrants and their descendants.
You have to keep in mind that millions of spanish immigrants came here looking for a job, so much that now we've become a minority and they're the majority of the population. Tha'ts why winning the referendum will be very hard even though 99,999% of native catalans will vote YES.
Fuck no, we have the economic background of catalonia without the cucks and commies
Fuck em
I guess you're right. First and only time I was in Spain I went to Galicia, La Mancha, and the Basque Country. I was able to wear my Spain soccer jersey without a problem everywhere except the Basque Country, where I was told to take it of because people only wear athletic club shirts
Speaking of soccer, I'm 100% sure the Catalan league would happen, but would Barça annd half the good Catalan teams even join?
Neck yourself faggot
Please stop posting this image. Thank you.
>catalonian Spaniard
No such thing. You're a xarnego who have to go back.
I know but times change, that was like 80 years ago. Not to mention that the anarchist movement of then has nothing to do with the globalist marxist movement of today.
>>Catalonia controls immigration
>>we get to decide who comes here and who doesn't
It seems you don't know your own region
Why would everyone outside catalonia be against seperatism?
well, you can undersatnt the "succession war" borbons vs habsburg as an annexation... because basically you force a "nation" into submission, keep in mind that catalonia had their own identity(courts, law and other things) until that point.
>Implying its not the native catalonians who push the refugee and inmigrant narrative the most
As a catalan speaking balearic who lives in Barcelone from time to time I have no problem with most catalonians
That being said, denial fags like you need to be hanged ASAP, Catalonia is no fairy tale land so just fuck off already
Same reason why almost nobody outside the south wants the south to rise again. They hate to see people wanting to form a country within their country
>Inside cataluña they want it
They voted already some years ago and people voted against it, It's all corrupt politicians playing with the most retards citizens like OP