Muv Luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken

Bentley Taylor
Bentley Taylor

SRS BSNS mech discussion.

Ever wondered where the Type-94 keeps it's extra ammo?

According to the Unit Organization chart, it can carry up to 12 chaingun magazines and 4 6-shit cannon mags in its skirt armor blocks, but apparently only Impact Guards and Rush Guards routinely carry nearly that much.

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sJkwBo2T4w
http://www.mediafire.com/download/unouhen06x8iaxt/
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z22ezafzu133m91
http://manga.tokyo/news/schwarzesmarken-animejapan-2016-stage/
http://slist.amiami.com/top/search/list?s_keywords=muv+luv+nendoroid&submit=Search&pagemax=40
https://youtu.be/_VLixMVJZF4?t=48m45s
William Wilson
William Wilson

Posting best girls.

Ryder Taylor
Ryder Taylor

Posting

Jace Brooks
Jace Brooks

i puked a little.

Easton Ortiz
Easton Ortiz

Unit Organization chart

This, by the way.

Aaron Edwards
Aaron Edwards

Both wrong.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg

Luis Lee
Luis Lee

Quad Lise
send help

Austin Reed
Austin Reed

Nope. We /USN/ here.

Leo Rogers
Leo Rogers

What about the Terminator and other TSFs with hip boosters?

Luke Martin
Luke Martin

Sorry, all I've got is more Lise.

Cooper Torres
Cooper Torres

PACT PRIDEWORLDWIDE

That's nice

Josiah Perry
Josiah Perry

You should really get that looked at.

Brody Smith
Brody Smith

Chill out and have a drink friendo

Caleb Murphy
Caleb Murphy

lick Gretel's armpits
cum inside Gretel
marry Gretel

Owen Morgan
Owen Morgan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sJkwBo2T4w
She sure knows how to party

Bentley Wood
Bentley Wood

Lise's resting bitch face is a miracle of the universe!

Oliver Gonzalez
Oliver Gonzalez

Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

Adam Jackson
Adam Jackson

Schwarzesmarken Original Soundtrack #2 out now!

FLAC:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/unouhen06x8iaxt/

MP3:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z22ezafzu133m91

Thomas Wilson
Thomas Wilson

She will never unassumingly stare daggers into your soul while lost in thought

Good on ya mate.

Blake Jones
Blake Jones

She gets Martin, who's way better than Theo, so you should be happy for her.

Justin Gray
Justin Gray

Thanks
Of course I am. he is such a lucky guy

Gabriel Sanders
Gabriel Sanders

How does this work? Is it spring loaded?

Hunter Reyes
Hunter Reyes

Why does nobody attaches missile pods and cannons in their TSFs like some sort of AC

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

Only if it is a multi million dollar macross missile spam.

It is impossible to attach conventional rocket pods. Only a character that is relevant to the story would do such thing and to show how much of a genius he is.

Jackson Cooper
Jackson Cooper

;_;

Jose Sanchez
Jose Sanchez

G-element

Jonathan King
Jonathan King

Why the hell did she tell the mechanics she was going to have them tortured to death for the lulz when she no longer had a use for them? I mean, she was using them to maintain her MiG. Wouldn't telling them that she was going to slowly kill them make them more likely to try to fuck her over or be uncooperative? It makes no fucking sense at all. If you're going to torture them, just do it, don't gloat to them about it, then charge them with repairing and restocking your machinery.

I feel like this anime insults my intelligence.

Jace Taylor
Jace Taylor

Because she is retarded evil and the stasi have their own mechianics

Alexander Sullivan
Alexander Sullivan

Did she gloated like that in the LN?

Hunter Baker
Hunter Baker

Is that the American one? Because I know the U.S. AMWS-21 is power-fed - gun draws a bit of energy from the TSF to handle the rounds for better reliability.

Jacob White
Jacob White

If only that was the case.

She is evil

That's it. If she actually had logic or was like in the LN/VN then she would not do that.

Isaac Sanders
Isaac Sanders

Because he's just a mechanic, and everyone knows that mechanics in mech shows aren't even human.

VN hasn't gotten that far, and LN translations are... spotty and questionable.

Owen Turner
Owen Turner

Well yes it is.

Still does not make any sense on how it would function.

Angel Mitchell
Angel Mitchell

But you could just carry more cannon ammo and not deal with carrying a pod or having it be awkward as fuck to aim.

Luis Foster
Luis Foster

Just... imagine it as an aircraft barrel magazine extended into a box. I'm sure that's what the creators did.

Joshua Rogers
Joshua Rogers

Just... imagine it as an aircraft barrel magazine extended into a box. I'm sure that's what the creators did.
If only they had the guy that did the designs in macross.

God tier detail.

Grayson Lopez
Grayson Lopez

God tier detail.

On the mechanical designs? And they weren't absurd?

Daniel Watson
Daniel Watson

Why is the magazine curved when the round is not tapered? seems silly to me.

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

Oh, that's because the writers have no idea what they're talking about.

They went with a curved mag because they thought it looked cool. It really should just be a box (or a drum, but the box magazine has a better packing efficiency.

Liam Moore
Liam Moore

But you could just carry more cannon ammo and not deal with carrying a pod or having it be awkward as fuck to aim.
having it be awkward as fuck to aim.
Care to explain how you aim with a cockpit like this?

It is obvious there is a computer software that is helping them to not being a bunch of leg less frogs.

And rocket pods and gunpods are like feathers, not even close to a 1 ton when there are several of them fully loaded.

Angel Young
Angel Young

No they are fucking logical versus Muv-luv.

They also give a certain feel that you know they were inspired by the real world designs etc.

Atleast the human faction.

Adrian Scott
Adrian Scott

I think one of my big problems with this show is the implication that human nature is only influenced by what happens to people. I believe that it is a combination of factors, you know, both Nurture and Nature. The anime tells us that Lise was once a sweet girl, but then turned into a ridiculously evil sadist thanks to Beatrix and Axmann. I can buy that she'd become a horribly scarred person who'd become callous to the pain of others, what I don't buy is that she'd enjoy it.

Since ML Stasi seem to draw more influences from the SS than RL Stasi, I'll use the SS as a comparison for how you do realistic evil, and not stupid evil like Lise. The SS did all sorts of fucked up shit, very similar to what the stasi do in the show. The thing which made them human and relatable, despite being evil as fuck, is that most of them didn't enjoy doing it. They mentally distanced themselves from the ethnic cleansing through a variety of means, and suicide rates were higher among the civilian shooters. It was one of the reasons Hitler came up with the concentration camp scheme.

A sprinkling of a few sadist here and there can make things interesting, but SM portrays every single stasi as a stupid evil, disloyal douchbag willing to fuck over the guy next to him. Such an organization as ML Stasi would never be able to function and would collapse under the weight of it's own stupid evilness as more pragmatic factions exploit and rip it to shreds long before it became a threat. It's actually very costly to go around punching babies all the time and can be bad for publicity. Hiroki really should know better, being a huge history buff and all. The RLF was better characterized if you ask me

Going back to Lise though, I don't think sadist are created, but born, so the only way Lise could be as fucked up as the anime portrays is if she always had that spark of insanity in her and the stasi let it out.

Tyler James
Tyler James

Type-00 Takemikazuchi is the best TSF there is, no substitutions, arguments, or debates.

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

/a/thread/141066661#p141095110
Would do that with the high-class lady laugh but that just won't fit her?
Will get to that when I can since I got a katia request and I also wanna draw some resting bitch face too

Jacob Bennett
Jacob Bennett

hohoho as in the Santa Claus laugh not ojou-sama

Dylan Gutierrez
Dylan Gutierrez

Someone requested Katia in a dirndl, right?

Alexander Barnes
Alexander Barnes

Hiroki really should know better

You mean Watanabe right?

Cameron Thompson
Cameron Thompson

Ho ho ho is the Santa Claus laugh

Hu hu hu is the ojou laugh

It's a pun because her name is Hohenstein. Lise resting bitch face would be amazing to see as well, because Lise's resting bitch face is a miracle of the universe.

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

Watanabe admitted in an interview that he thought Hiroki made up the stasi when he glanced through SM.

Jace Young
Jace Young

Are you shitting me

Chase Ortiz
Chase Ortiz

I'd ask you to do Beatrix or Sylwia, but I really think your style is better suited for Lise, Iris, and Katia.

Ian Diaz
Ian Diaz

Watanabe is a fucking clown.

Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

He did not know.

When he learnt he decided to make the stasi into black and white evil so the victims of the stasi would not get angry and honor them and shit.

He fucked it up.

John Lopez
John Lopez

– This story has the deadly fight against the alien BETA, but at the same time there are political elements mixed in, and it’s a very serious atmosphere. How did you try to portray this atmosphere?

Watanabe: This is historical fiction, so for places like the Soviet Union and West and East Germany, we based them off their real-life counterparts to a certain extent. It was a very challenging project. There were areas where we wondered if it was OK to do this. After getting involved in this project, I learned that the Stasi (East German secret police) that appears in the story was a real organization. They did some truly horrific things. There are people who really did suffer. When I thought about that, I was very concerned about how we should go about portraying this.

Joshua Flores
Joshua Flores

When he learnt he decided to make the stasi into black and white evil
Implying it wasn't Hiroki's original intention to make them this way.

Brandon Brown
Brandon Brown

Well either way.

Japs dont know shit about europe.

Matthew Bell
Matthew Bell

So he did write the ANN preview

Zachary Martin
Zachary Martin

Stasi like Axmann yes.

Julian White
Julian White

The very first TSF used a scaled up ar-15 with no safety.
Why do they love to scale up infantry firearms?

Carter Morgan
Carter Morgan

If you want to show the evils of an organization, you portray the characters as human as possible. You show the guy who's pulling teeth and executing people is a normalish, someone the audience can kind of relate too. Someone who has loved ones, has his own ideals, has his own virtues and vices, but is compelled to do evil by a corrupt and shitty system. He may justify his actions, he may feel guilty over it, or he may feel nothing, but it's the system keeping him chained to evil.

Jordan Robinson
Jordan Robinson

I think Wolfenstein: New Order did a pretty good job of this. I got the feeling that most of the Nazis you're massacring would be good people if not for the Nazi government.

Jayden Johnson
Jayden Johnson

Beatrix too until BiS ruined her. Seriously, having the seminal semen demon being more evil than the majority of the men was unique and awesome.

Nicholas Myers
Nicholas Myers

but that's not Shiranui 2nd

Ian Davis
Ian Davis

http://manga.tokyo/news/schwarzesmarken-animejapan-2016-stage/

I wish I got to see the SM chibis.

Isaac Ward
Isaac Ward

Now now, cut him some slack. we are all ignorant of something that happened on the other side of our little corner of the world cause we simply don't give a flying fuck, he's really no different.

That being said, I agree that his reaction of making the Stasi into cartoon villains just cause "ZOMG! They're bad people" was a bad one.

Lucas Fisher
Lucas Fisher

The world needs a Stasimouto nendoroid. It would be so incredibly cute.

Mason Martinez
Mason Martinez

Because they based the overall look of the gun off of the Israeli Tavor rifle.
I don't think its fair to compare the two, since Macross actually has jet fighters incorporated into the design, instead of jet fighter elements like Mub Rub.

Sebastian Johnson
Sebastian Johnson

Yeah that's right

Oh that christmas biscuit and pudding makes me hnnng everytime

i can do those characters as well its just that I have a huge bias for cute

Leo Cruz
Leo Cruz

Noice

Michael Perez
Michael Perez

I guess, but fifteen minutes on Wikipedia and I know enough about something to follow a conversation on it. And I would bet a nickel I know more about what Shinzo Abe's grandfather was doing in the 1940's than Watanabe.

Jason Brooks
Jason Brooks

that might fly if not for the fact that he was in charge of an anime that features the Stasi pretty goddamn heavily.

Cameron Ramirez
Cameron Ramirez

Japanese really suck at teaching history, especially anything modern.

Mason Green
Mason Green

To be fair, it's not like he had much to work with. Beatrix and Axmann are pretty ridiculous. Schmidt was the only realistic stasi.

David Jackson
David Jackson

Tojo did nuffin wrong

Benjamin Watson
Benjamin Watson

Since you're Japanese and all, have you read the LNs yet?

Gavin Flores
Gavin Flores

Cuteness overload.

Jackson Wilson
Jackson Wilson

Are we general fags?

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

Not yet, although its tipping dangerously close to general territory.
Just wait until some faggot thinks up a cutesy nickname for us.

Chase Hughes
Chase Hughes

intentionally ignoring Stasimouto

Leo Green
Leo Green

They were too inconsistent with her and the character falls flat because of it.

Logan Johnson
Logan Johnson

Which might have worked if they'd gone all the way with the 'clinical insanity' angle, but they didn't.

Jayden Butler
Jayden Butler

An inconsistent character can be forgiven due to her insanity. An inconsistent tone towards her cannot as it confuses the message.

Anthony Wilson
Anthony Wilson

Note to self: all character must form a consensus on their opinion toward each of their fellows.

Jason Sanders
Jason Sanders

I'm not sure you understood what he said, and I barely understand what you're trying to say. A character who is inconsistent in their behavior can still be a good character if it has to do with some mental problem they either have or developed due to some past trauma. If its the tone the show carries for that character that is inconsistent then theres a problem.

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

Can we stop it?

Luis Clark
Luis Clark

You know what I mean. Showing her in the worst light possible, using the most ominous music, revealing that even the other stasi were horrified over her, making it clear that she wasn't a victim but a victimizer, using every technique they could throughout episodes 07-09 to make us hate her, then trying to make us feel bad for her at the very end of episode 10 by ignoring all the above just reeks of bad directing.

It's why the majority of people were happy when Theo killed her and were confused about the abrupt tone shift to sympathetic. That many agreed with Suzy and did not understand why the anime portrayed what she said about Lise to Theo as a negative further reinforces this. Beatrix gets hit by this too, but not to the same extent as Lise.

You can't just swap from a scathing tone to a sympathetic one without buildup. It'd be more obvious in a story, say, where a character was described with tons of words with negative connotations and every action was portrayed negatively, and then the next chapter, everything he does is shown in the most positive light possible with no evolution in between.

Camden Gutierrez
Camden Gutierrez

story

Meant to say in a "novel".

Christopher Perez
Christopher Perez

I want to be politically indoctrinated by Gretel

Henry Foster
Henry Foster

I'd a Beato.

Jose Phillips
Jose Phillips

I'm chinese actually just happen to know japanese as well
I haven't wanted to read the LN cause alot of people have said it is very depressing. I'm halfway through the first VN though

Connor Young
Connor Young

Its like they were trying to make her a good and a bad guy at the same time, which I guess could be possible but really hard to pull of correctly.

Lucas Mitchell
Lucas Mitchell

dat stasi emblemb
every time
I love the half crazy half lust expression on both girls

Brandon Scott
Brandon Scott

你参观百度?

Levi Clark
Levi Clark

Not a fan of baidu, if that is what you mean

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

I didn't know my fellow oriental brethren has such good tastes.

tfw having scanlations dozens of chapters ahead of anything in English

Dominic Garcia
Dominic Garcia

very depressing
no they're not
Since you're reading the VNs the depressiveness is pretty much the same.

Adam Hall
Adam Hall

All this arguing over Beatrix and Lise must be hilarious to you guys.

Elijah Hernandez
Elijah Hernandez

贝姐很可爱!

Gabriel Gonzalez
Gabriel Gonzalez

Tony is a very cute sister!
What the fuck does that mean?

Sebastian Nelson
Sebastian Nelson

He's saying "Sister Bea is very cute!"

Jaxon Allen
Jaxon Allen

Wow, I never knew there were so many Chinese here.

Christian Mitchell
Christian Mitchell

Well the latter VN has routes maybe theres something less depressing there

It is no matter which language board. For me it is heartening to see such characters getting attention.
Also quite amazing that the threads here is still rather active as compared to others

Christian Robinson
Christian Robinson

Not really. The VN has lots of moments to break up the heaviness that way, the sad stuff will hit you even harder.

Lucas Garcia
Lucas Garcia

我想留在瑟爾維亞的身边保护她純淨的笑容

Hudson Williams
Hudson Williams

So how does the anime compare to the visual novel? Is it as bad an adaptation as everyone says it is?

Brody Davis
Brody Davis

It is true that the anime failed to flesh out the every single character and their motivations when compared to the VN, the majority across all boards agree on that.

Brandon Torres
Brandon Torres

We didn't get Lise spilling all of Theo's embarrassing secrets.

Like that Iris is the same kind of busty blonde onee-san type that he was(is?) attracted to, or (when he tries to deflect this) that he had posters in his room of busty blonde onee-sans while he was a student, or that Lise took the responsibility of removing those posters.

She says all of this in front of the entire team by the way, including Iris.

Zachary Garcia
Zachary Garcia

The characters aren't fleshed out as well, but the story is transferred pretty well.

A lot of people get upset because Beatrix and Lise get hit the hardest by losing the details.

Cameron Fisher
Cameron Fisher

Moonrunes

Why are you posting scribbles?

Aaron King
Aaron King

But the anime characters are still ultimately true to the light and visual novel characters, even if details are left off, right?

The characters still have their main traits for the most part and feel like the LN characters, correct?

I don't think even with 24 episodes we could have fitted in all the character development adequately.

You weren't here back two months ago when we were being flooded by runes, were you.

Jacob Thompson
Jacob Thompson

/a/thread/141066661#p141096573
Ah, but I'm a Phamfag.

Though I am a Beato secondary, but even then, that would change nothing.. Theo had a hard life, like many others. I wouldn't really begrudge most of the cast for the way they are. Some I do, but they are few. That's part of the tragedy, recognizing that the actors could not deviate from their roles.

It takes extraordinary will, love, faith, and belief to defy such an inhuman system with a smile, and with hope for he better day. Theo, Theo changed. He started to awake, and for that he should be admired I think. True bravery isn't because you fear not death or loss, but knowing that, and going on despite that. That should be admired, we should be proud of that!

The true measure of man is the soul, the heart within, that no man can degrade!

Parker Williams
Parker Williams

Lise and Iris feel really off, like all the charm has been sucked out. It's the details which bring them to life. Neither are as funny as they should be, and Iris is too much of an ice queen. I only heard one bad joke from Iris in the whole anime. I'm not sure about Beatrix. She feels more bloodthirsty and much less sexy. Even her voice sounds rougher and more course. She doesn't "ara~ara uhehehe" once in the anime.

Josiah James
Josiah James

The thing is, he knows he's replaceable, and that if he did sabotage her mech, his entire family would goto gulag if not outright execution. That's how totalitarian systems work. If they only targetted the perpetrator, they would be much less effective.

Jack Allen
Jack Allen

I thought old Otto didn't have a family left except for his crew.

Robert Thomas
Robert Thomas

I wish this could have been rammed through Wantanabe's face. Man In The High Castle had a good example.

It would have to be a reinforced dog chew toy.

Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

I want to give Katia a haircut she doesn't like.

Xavier Powell
Xavier Powell

Why not Beato being cute?

Hell, cute with Theo?

It's an amazing look, isn't it?

We can't get away, somehow. It has hold over our souls.

Jace Barnes
Jace Barnes

This to a certain extent.

Lise is also supposed to be more adorable, for example. Think of the boat scene during Operation Neptune, for example. Instead of the routine "onii-chan, people keep thinking I'm a spy" conversation, VN Lise comes up to Theo and Katia being showing blatantly obvious signs of seasickness, making (admittedly cute) moaning sounds, and basically saying "Onii-chan... help... (sick moan)."

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

And guess who they would have thus taken, and made him watch?

Remember, they go for any weakness. For Lise, neither physical nor sexual torture worked on her. So they got her in the one way they could.

Grayson Morris
Grayson Morris

Irisdina is not even good for rape.

Sebastian Lopez
Sebastian Lopez

Wantanabe

Wasn't he a communist sympathizer, though? If so, couldn't really demonstrate the horrific nature of the system.

Jaxson Martin
Jaxson Martin

Ha ha. I remember writing that rant.

Juan Kelly
Juan Kelly

It was a good rant. What SM successfully did was direct people's hatred away from the stasi and the authoritarian system which spawned it, and funneled it towards the servants of said system like Beatrix and Lise.

Luis Morales
Luis Morales

I hate all of you.

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

Ironic that he became a cash cow for capitalists catering to raging leftist hipster ignorami in capitalist first world countries.

Luis Long
Luis Long

Ironic how we have actual communist in this thread.

Sebastian Russell
Sebastian Russell

I liked how it turned out because it instantly delegitimized "respecting the victims of the Stasi" as a reason for ruining Lise's characterization.

Landon Flores
Landon Flores

How many beatings should Iris receive?

Carson Lopez
Carson Lopez

Pretty ironic ain't it

Colton Phillips
Colton Phillips

cute with Theo
Cute Bea-tan i can do, but with Theo?Like doing a reverse skewer?

holding the souls
keep it up, I'm really looking forward to when martyrs then

Dominic Ramirez
Dominic Ramirez

Maybe cute lise and bea? They aren't paired together often in fan art despite being very close to one another

Kevin Baker
Kevin Baker

muh le ebil system
For some, torture is just a job, as weird as it may sound.
Is executioner removing serial killers dindus le ebil by himself, or is he a le victim of le ebil system?

Nathan Foster
Nathan Foster

But they are good people, and you`re literally in a band of degenerates controlled by a wandering kike.

Isaiah Jones
Isaiah Jones

removing killers dindus

But user, he sounds like civic hero!

Ayden Diaz
Ayden Diaz

I don't know if the world is ready for that much cute. I know I am

Jayden Martin
Jayden Martin

That`s the point.

Isaiah Hernandez
Isaiah Hernandez

Lise is for soft bullying

Christopher Butler
Christopher Butler

That's true. Gonna try that one day

Bentley Barnes
Bentley Barnes

With sex after?

Joshua Cox
Joshua Cox

If she's in the mood.

William Anderson
William Anderson

You should draw Bea spooning Lise on top of a single bed, comforting her after Lise woke up from a bad dream while they both wear cute pyjamas.

Josiah Nguyen
Josiah Nguyen

Would we be able to tear Yui nendoroid limbs off? Maybe take it's crotch plate off?

You know it's only worth it as that. It would not be a respectable nendoroid.

Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

Most garishly colored boombox lies below the bed!

James Cook
James Cook

I don't know about the crotch piece but you can remove the limbs on a nendoroid. You have to take them apart to get the shipping plastic out that keeps the painted sections from rubbing against each other during transit. If you just want to bully Yui by amputating her arms and legs I guess you can do that too.

I would never have a quadruple amputee Yui unless I had an Annette around to make sure she stayed healthy and clean while I was plotting the end of the world.

Zachary Allen
Zachary Allen

Well I suppose this isn't exactly a cute example, but something like it. I suppose the facial and limb movements have to be right though - a sort of sad-like resignation when they start touching other.

Probably nevermind, it's a bit too complicated now that I have a mental image in my mind.

You might even be able to meme the secret Beato route into existence with Martyrs.

Alexander Morales
Alexander Morales

Are there others besides Yui?

I want to have all the other TE Nendoroids hang out together, with Yui wistfully looking on them all alone.

Jayden Jones
Jayden Jones

Inia and Cryska.

http://slist.amiami.com/top/search/list?s_keywords=muv+luv+nendoroid&submit=Search&pagemax=40

Gabriel Myers
Gabriel Myers

Ah, thank you. Shame there isn't more. I want Yui to feel pain at seeing everyone else get along with Yuuya.

Lincoln Gutierrez
Lincoln Gutierrez

You sound really bitter.

Robert Price
Robert Price

Fuck off Cuishit

Jordan Johnson
Jordan Johnson

I think Yui is an insufferable shit, that's all. I like to see her suffer. Literally every girl better than her.

Wrong as usual.

William Russell
William Russell

She got a lot better in the final episodes.
Yui is a good girl at heart.

Landon Morales
Landon Morales

Maybe (and even I dispute that, the only thing that changed is she started lusting). But everyone else is leagues better, so what does it matter?

I know it'll make Cuihater mad, but Cui was right.

Justin Hughes
Justin Hughes

Enough bullying!

Kayden Scott
Kayden Scott

No, we can only go farther.

Dylan Moore
Dylan Moore

I unironically loved Yuuya "TOPPU GUN" Bridges as a character.

Carter Walker
Carter Walker

It's too late

Parker Reyes
Parker Reyes

Just wait until some faggot thinks up a cutesy nickname for us.
mabu rabu?

Luis Ross
Luis Ross

We're not /ai/ or /ak/ levels of shit yet.

Austin James
Austin James

What's wrong with liking him? I mean seriously, did he have a hatedom when TE was airing?

Jeremiah Edwards
Jeremiah Edwards

I'll never leave Yui

Liam King
Liam King

Some people dislike him for some weird reason.
Really the only flaw is how quickly he got over his rayciss feelings, but you can't expect the japs to be subtle about that kind of stuff.

Ian Perry
Ian Perry

Well his raycis feelings seem kind of...weird. Even irl 80s, no one really gave a shit. Even in muh Dixieland. It kind of bothers me how he shows no real traits or inclinations that he's an American. Apparently the only trait he seemed to have that defined him as American was when his buddy thought he was going to hit Yui, and him being a braggart and arrogant.

What the fuck Japan.

Then again, they did sort of reverse that track as the show went on.

Jeremiah Phillips
Jeremiah Phillips

Literally the worst girl.

Benjamin Barnes
Benjamin Barnes

Gulag line starts there.

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

Except losing the war lmao

Angel Hughes
Angel Hughes

ALL OF THEM!

Matthew White
Matthew White

More like Beato-oneechan

Colton Adams
Colton Adams

Posting best TSF

Jordan Miller
Jordan Miller

Posting best army

Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

Americans usually have obnoxious as their #1 meme trait, and it's not entirely unjustified.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

But you missed the best of the best.

Daniel Perry
Daniel Perry

Yui is an insufferable shit
Take that back!

Chase Scott
Chase Scott

America
not wanting to pick a fight with other human countries
Glad to see you're new to Muv-luv.

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

filename
Dats hilarious.
I love the Typeー00 and feel it's individually the best TSF made, but it's still funny.

Bentley Morales
Bentley Morales

As soon as I get Yui and Cryska nendoroids I'm putting then together like this.

Leo Smith
Leo Smith

Jap Nobility
Best Army

Pick one, faggot.

Nathan Davis
Nathan Davis

Yui is the best

Kayden Clark
Kayden Clark

Only like the type 00R mainly because it looks cool.

Justin Martin
Justin Martin

But they all have the same design.
They all look cool.

Camden Peterson
Camden Peterson

Well everyone does want her.

Jack Baker
Jack Baker

Everyone

Caleb Wood
Caleb Wood

What`s the source of this? Wasn`t TE hentai-free?

Sebastian Flores
Sebastian Flores

Not really

William Martin
William Martin

Well the color scheme really doesn't matter to me

Brandon Taylor
Brandon Taylor

Literally nothing on imagesearch. Is there even a way to download TE cg`s somewhere now?

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

Got any of Yuimoto's Takemikazuchi?

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

They picked the fight against all mankind when they conspired for their own selfish gain and thus stab America in the back.

Death to the enemies of mankind!

Benjamin Reed
Benjamin Reed

But America builds TSFs only to fight other humans.

Hudson Perez
Hudson Perez

They know when and how to get shit done.

Leo Price
Leo Price

Iris can be my wife
Yui as my second wife
I think this arrangement is possible

Jonathan Howard
Jonathan Howard

they conspired for their own selfish gain
You mean exactly what America did first.

Ian Anderson
Ian Anderson

Even Germans love Yuimoto eh.

Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

Yui really does attract a lot of women doesn't she.

Noah Johnson
Noah Johnson

who are the the blue ones who were the fortified suit , that guy wearing red and that guy on the bottom?

Wyatt Moore
Wyatt Moore

I have a soft spot for the insane mountain designated controller girl.

Kevin Carter
Kevin Carter

The Blue ones are members of the other regent houses. The Man is Ikaruga, who was supposed to marry Meiya in Extra and the Girl is Yui's former superior Kyoko, who got mostly cut from the anime. The guy in red is Makabe, who is the governor of the Hawaiian lease territory in TDA and the guy at the bottom is Takeru in TDA. He deffinitly wants off the ride.

Gabriel Allen
Gabriel Allen

Literally wrong

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

So he join the Royal Guards on TDA? Sweet! Did he become yuuhi's retainer or something?

James Taylor
James Taylor

Hahahahaha... naive little plebian.

Joseph Perez
Joseph Perez

Yuuhi's dead, they have Meiya cover for her. Ikaruga is the one pulling all the strings and Takeru is stuck being one of his goons. And his PTSD fucks him up so hard, that he hardly cares anyway. Until the last TDA released.

Luke Morales
Luke Morales

How can the frogs fight the burgers and japs in TDA? Aren't they just incompetent studs?

Lincoln Bennett
Lincoln Bennett

So meiya became shogun? Then why the fuck isn't he on her side?

wow that sucks, so how did he even got into the royal guards in anyway?
I thought they dont let commoners join or something

Adrian Hughes
Adrian Hughes

They have experience on that

He turned into coldsteel nuthin personnel

Austin Johnson
Austin Johnson

He turned into coldsteel nuthin personnel
so he turned edgy, don't tell me he slash people at the back now ?

Jose Bennett
Jose Bennett

The Guards in Black are non-nobility, inducted because they have the necessary skills or are some nobles goons. Takeru is stuck because he is both. And when I say his PTSD fucked him up I mean it user, he basically loses his free will, and Ikaruga basically controls him like a Puppet.

Ethan Parker
Ethan Parker

Buttmad Frog detected. Go eat some more human flesh, okay?

Brayden Diaz
Brayden Diaz

No, he slash other TSF now
I never asked for this

Ryder Miller
Ryder Miller

so how did he even got into the royal guards in anyway?I thought they dont let commoners join or something
TDA takeru is a monster in a type00c that it makes the type00R and type00A look inferior. And because of that he was recruited just with his skills and also the fact that he was subordinate of yuuki

John Nguyen
John Nguyen

basically that's what he does to all the enemy tsf's

Landon Morales
Landon Morales

did he snap out of it?please say yes

Liam Allen
Liam Allen

Him snapping out it is the penultimate scene of the last TDA released.

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

He did, when he found the brain tube of s00mika in the JFK

Jaxson Davis
Jaxson Davis

Sweet, i hope he completely stops being edgy and actually change sides and be meiya;s retainer or something

Nicholas Wilson
Nicholas Wilson

literally *comes up behind you* PSSSSH NOTHIN PERSONNEL KID

This is infuriating enough in ML the trilogy, but it's just ridiculous in TDA. I dunno, it just really detracts from the story in a massive way in my opinion.

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

having hopes
TDA

Gavin Peterson
Gavin Peterson

;-;

Tyler Turner
Tyler Turner

That scene was great, though i also like pic related where grumpy takeru smiled when he heard hibiki

Joshua Wilson
Joshua Wilson

But it wasn't great
Soomika became a ded

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

He reawaken his emotions but as usual he cant have nice things and the world will fuck with him

Mason Rivera
Mason Rivera

Yeah, because of how he pilots his TSF in TDA that everyone who seen him action completely labels him a monster thats not even being fair to the BETA.

TDA made him too ridiculous but also works in contrast in how the other TSF moves.

Easton Howard
Easton Howard

It was great because it was him acknowledging that without her he was dead inside and by mercy killing her she can now rest in peace and live on in Extra with him.

Anthony Diaz
Anthony Diaz

Well thats kinda a bit sad...but I guess this will then lead to him going to alternative right?

Matthew Martin
Matthew Martin

I think hedgeheg as classification may be not enough.

Matthew Morales
Matthew Morales

I want to take and hide Gretel's glasses. Leaving her vulnerable to my affection and bullying.

Easton Foster
Easton Foster

dat frown turning into a smile
Awwwww

Christopher Moore
Christopher Moore

If she ties her hair in a ponytail, it`s too late to run though.

Levi Jenkins
Levi Jenkins

As a beaten housewife lmao

Xavier Roberts
Xavier Roberts

Sumika
beaten

Yeah, excuse you, asshole!

Angel Ortiz
Angel Ortiz

or take him to a new verse where everyone of his friends is still dead...those g elements are gonna be something to work forward to

James Richardson
James Richardson

Takeru 'beats her half to death' a bazillion times

Benjamin Gomez
Benjamin Gomez

implyg takeru wont be orbital drop by ichimonji takahashi as he crashes the wedding in TDA

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

No
Gretel with no glasses
You are already dead

Lincoln Morgan
Lincoln Morgan

what is exagerration

Hunter Bennett
Hunter Bennett

She's still a beaten housewife

Eli Roberts
Eli Roberts

Does this look like the face of someone beaten?

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

Beaten housewives like to stay anyway

Evan Foster
Evan Foster

nah TDA is probably end with him crashing his TSF and then he wakes up back in time without any memories and head to yokohama again without knowing anything and thus the unlimited cycle continues

Matthew Thompson
Matthew Thompson

No, but beating is imminent

Lucas Sullivan
Lucas Sullivan

did barbers stop existing in TDA too?

Ryder Jackson
Ryder Jackson

He is 2cool4haircuts

Hudson Peterson
Hudson Peterson

TDA 04 FUCKING WHEN

Nolan Williams
Nolan Williams

Eventually

Cooper Evans
Cooper Evans

never

Brandon Morgan
Brandon Morgan

Does anyone have that image of ayamine getiing fucked by a soldier class BETA? I remember seeing it ages ago and still haven't found it

Ayden White
Ayden White

tfw tsf forefront never
it hurts

Carson Gutierrez
Carson Gutierrez

tfw no yugoslavia front VN

Asher Allen
Asher Allen

Suffering
https://youtu.be/_VLixMVJZF4?t=48m45s
I always lost my sides at that parade

Robert Foster
Robert Foster

in a TSF
useless, nagging and screaming dead weight

outside a TSF
unholy terror who eats stasi divisions for breakfast

Clearly, Gretel ended up in the wrong genre.

Luis Reed
Luis Reed

No wonder Beatrix wanted to recruit Gretel. She was the only one who saw Gretel's potential. It must have infuriated her to see Iris using Gretel's talents so inappropriately. Making her pilot a TSF, that's like using a Rolls Royce to deliver pizzas!

Brayden Cox
Brayden Cox

no Gretel route where she OPERATES and removes rebels/BETA

Why live

Gavin Smith
Gavin Smith

They know when an how to show up and take all the credit, yes.

But you can't blame them; in a serious or protracted fight or without THE HELP OF NEPOTISM, they'd make themselves look like idiots.

Ayden Barnes
Ayden Barnes

Hah, they're like the Werewolves then.

Zachary Sullivan
Zachary Sullivan

Strike Eagle says hi. I hope you aren't using it as the single most important TSF gobal fight aginst the BETA.

You say that like the U.S. need to conspire for their own benefit. They're already at the top of the pile technologically, economically, and demographically.

Alexander Robinson
Alexander Robinson

demographically
Well I mean I dunno in MLverse but irl...

James Taylor
James Taylor

If I recall correctly, there was plenty of mutual beating in that relationship.

Hunter Kelly
Hunter Kelly

Rough sex desu

Adam James
Adam James

I would beat Sumika too, if I had to put up with her.

Nicholas Perez
Nicholas Perez

Man can't get beaten you CIS SCUM

Angel Anderson
Angel Anderson

I mean in the ML verse. The continuous united states makes up a plurality of the surviving human race. Unless you count the enitre EU as one nation, in which case they may be bigger.

More importantly, the U.S. hasn't been screwing itself by sending sixteen-year-old girls to die on the front lines. If you do that, your birthrate is going to start to suffer pretty quickly, and then you will eventually face all the problems of a rapidly aging population on top of a massive bug war.

Not much information on the influx of mexicans, but considering that they use stealth bombers to Enforce Peace from Brownsville to Cape Horn...

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

Would you brush Lise' teeth?
Would you let her brush your teeth?

Brody Nguyen
Brody Nguyen

I think she is old enough to take care of her dental hygiene by herself

Gabriel Cook
Gabriel Cook

The United States barely send troops to the front lines to begin with because they luck out of BETA atracks.

Ayden Brown
Ayden Brown

Would Gretel be half as bullyable without her glasses?
I just want to poke her until she cries.

Andrew Johnson
Andrew Johnson

That's a novel hypothesis.

These guys might disagree, though.

Matthew Mitchell
Matthew Mitchell

You say that like the U.S. need to conspire for their own benefit
They already have by strong arming countries that lost their land to early BETA attacks while they lucked out and are rarely attacked. The entire point of sending that raptor team to Yukon base was the shut down other countries building better TSFs.

Michael Ortiz
Michael Ortiz

Don't do it man, taking away her glasses unleashes her operator mode. And you don't want to make her angry in that state.

Joshua Bennett
Joshua Bennett

they lucked out

So decisiveness and rational decision-making are luck now?

shut down other countries building better TSFs

No, the Infinities were there to avoid the Soviets getting G-Bombs.

Carson Stewart
Carson Stewart

I just want to poke her until she cries
Are you 8?

Justin Reed
Justin Reed

her operator mode

Does she become a State Plan 14.25 steroid machine, though?

Chase Davis
Chase Davis

Well, I enjoy bullying cute girls so, mentally, yes.

Samuel Ramirez
Samuel Ramirez

No, that's reserved for olympic athletes only

Joshua Edwards
Joshua Edwards

So decisiveness and rational decision-making are luck now?
When the BETA attack literally every where else except America, yes that's luck.
No, the Infinities were there to avoid the Soviets getting G-Bombs.
And because they wanted to shut down the XFJ plan.

Landon Peterson
Landon Peterson

Get Lise a nice Sonicare toothbrush.
Watch her try to use it for the first week when she hasn't gotten used to the weird ultrasound vibrations on her teeth

tfw you well never, etc.

Adam Lopez
Adam Lopez

Sylwia will never accept you
she will never give you a friendly smile as you as you walk past her
you will never be Walther

Blake Taylor
Blake Taylor

Pure Pain

Landon Rivera
Landon Rivera

When the BETA attack literally every where else except America, yes that's luck.

Well, that's not what happened.

A second BETA landing touched down in south-central Canada shortly after the the Kashgar landing, about four hundred miles north of the U.S. border. Having six years of experience dealing with this kind of shit on Luna, the U.S. removed the problem.

And because they wanted to shut down the XFJ plan

I'm not sure why you think the XFJ plan was worth that effort. If they wanted to shut it down, they could have just... shut down the program.

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

It's not luck, they nuked the living shit out of the Saskatchewan hive

but that's in Canada

There are no natural barriers between the Saskatchewan hive and the United States. If they hadn't destroyed it immediately, the heartland of the United States would have been overrun.

Jack Miller
Jack Miller

the U.S. removed the problem.
By nuking them into oblivion, which begs the question why no one else did since it's clearly trivial to accomplish

Easton Peterson
Easton Peterson

I'm not sure why you think the XFJ plan was worth that effort. If they wanted to shut it down, they could have just... shut down the program.
You can question it all you want but it was made very clear that America sent them their to shut down the program.

Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

And they lucked out by having the BETA land outside their homeland. Most other countries had BETA land inside or directly in their borders where they couldn't just nuke them.

Thomas Morgan
Thomas Morgan

They probably allowed the program so the could closely monitor and steal japan's new railgun. Once they had the data they sent the Infinities to shut down the program.

Noah Wood
Noah Wood

Because the gooks decided that the failure of the U.S. (and company) to stop the BETA on Luna was because of Running Pig Dog Imperialist Stupidity rather than zerg rush and death laser spam. So they refused U.N. and international aid and tried to capture the Kashgar Hive to monopolize the alien technology.

It did not go well.

The Red Army tried to respond, but was killed to man.

With their conventional forces now non-existent, the commies resorted to nukes, but the BETA were spread out consolidating their gains had deployed a lot of lases, and the communists states lacked enough mechanized forces to exploit the damage caused by the nukes.

This is why Beatrix thinks nuclear weapons are ineffective.

Nope, there was only the one successful landing in China. Everybody else got invaded the old fashioned way.

Also, even for Canada, nuking was the preferable outcome when the alternative is everyone being
CHOMPED.

Faggot.

Logan Martin
Logan Martin

death laser spam
This happend only on kashgar

David King
David King

Pretty much. The Lunar War was actually winnable, is the funny thing. The US just abandoned it once the BETA touched down.

Most other Countries

You mean China, where they COULD just nuke them and they didn't because the Chinese wanted whatever tech the capitalists were hiding from them the aliens obviously had. The Chinese Communists almost doomed humanity. The fucks. No hives have touched down since Kashigar, because the US threw a bunch of Nukes and shit into orbit to blow the FUCK out of any incoming object.

Except they already had a working rail gun prototype for the A-12.

James Wilson
James Wilson

The Beta only landed in Kashgar and Saskatchewan. They spread on foot to the other places because the Soviets and Chinese were greedy pricks who wanted to farm the Kashgar hive for G-element instead of nuking it into oblivion.

Tbh the unreliable part is that the United States didn't Nuke Kashgar themselves when the commies refused to.

Henry Bailey
Henry Bailey

Oh, okay.

But what did Keith and Guylos when they were talking about beginning their real mission hen they set out to destroy the Soviet bomb sites?

Michael Campbell
Michael Campbell

While I agree with the rest of this post and as a Chink fuck the commies, the image pisses me off because of all the people I meet trying to unironically claim the US won both world wars as if they did it on their own.

Benjamin Jackson
Benjamin Jackson

Except they already had a working rail gun prototype for the A-12.

Which did not depend on G-Elements to function, moving it from wunderwaffe to cool gun.

But then why did they have lasers in Germany?

Ayden Nguyen
Ayden Nguyen

Reminder that the chinese was winning untill laser spam which no one knew about.
Reminder that two 25kiloton nukes is enough to destroy a stage 2 hive structure.

Jeremiah Richardson
Jeremiah Richardson

US nuking a part of China in 1974

If you want global thermonuclear war, sure, go ahead.

US won both world wars as if they did it on their own

We stopped WWI from ending in a bloody stalemate and pretty much crushed the Axis in WWII with our industrial might. US material and manufacturing along with Soviet manpower beat the Nazi's, don't let any Vatniks or real Burger Boos. We also pretty much solo'd the Japs with our fleet after the Brits got blown the fuck out in the Far East.

Josiah Foster
Josiah Foster

But then why did they have lasers in Germany?
Are you being retarded on purpose? No one knew about death laser spam untill kashgar landing.

Not a single laser class was used on the moon to shoot down things. Meaning no one knew that it existed.

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

The BETA are shit tier without Lasers, everyone knew this. An army of laser-less BETA is more or less an ancient-era army with a shitton of Elephants.

Owen Richardson
Owen Richardson

Shutting down the program was still their second objective. Why else would they have everyone compete in a tournament with their funding on the line.

Michael Rodriguez
Michael Rodriguez

Vatniks or burgerboos say otherwise

Aaaagh my typing is shit today.

Landon Hughes
Landon Hughes

Don't think about it too hard, the image is basically designed to piss people off.

It's also pretty fair to say that the United States ans the USSR are the only countries that really "won" the world wars, because they're the only countries that actually got a better return than what they invested.

Britain pretty much lost world war two completely because it failed to achieve anything it set out to do other than tactically defeat Germany, and in the process lost its empire and destroyed its industrial heartland.

Buy hey
m-m-muh NHS.
MUH ATLEE

Wyatt Cook
Wyatt Cook

The U.S. was probably only the Kingmaker in WWI. France and England might still have been able to win on their own, depending on how much the territory Russia ceded to Germany helped them work around the British blockade.

As for WWII... The U.S. played a much larger role, and the Soviets were barely a factor in the Pacific theater.

Austin Nguyen
Austin Nguyen

We stopped WWI from ending in a bloody stalemate
Yes, but that doesn't mean you won it by yourself. You basically walked in when the Germans were tired as shit and picked up the pieces.
WWII
Your industrial might sure helped but once again, you didn't even come close to winning it yourself. I'm not saying that the US was a weak shit, because while it was shit during the 1800s it was pretty fucking strong during the 1900s, but I'm tired of burghers pretending they were the end all be all of any conflict they were involved in.
Japs
To be honest I think the japs got fucked by their own lack of manufacturing power. Nobody had a good way of attacking your manufacturing.

Lincoln Reyes
Lincoln Reyes

Still red commies greed didn't stop at Kasgha with that utter failure that Operation Palaiologos was. They could have planted nukes since it was just a phase 2 hive but they didn't.

It is all the reds fault.

Thomas Martinez
Thomas Martinez

No, I'm saying the lasers were a factor in every engagement after their initial introduction. The person I was responding to said they didn't have them after the initial route at Kashgar.

William Rivera
William Rivera

Britain lost WWI too. In fact I'd say that the only guy who got out of WWI with anything but a Pyrrhic victory was the US and maybe Italy, although the Italians got cucked out of the territories they were promised anyway.

Joshua Price
Joshua Price

Problem is that you cant deploy a bomber with a nuke or unguided rocket with a nuke since they all get shot down before they reach their target.

And they dont have TSF to carry a 1 megaton nuke.

Because the gooks decided that the failure of the U.S. (and company) to stop the BETA on Luna was because of Running Pig Dog Imperialist Stupidity rather than zerg rush and death laser spam
and death laser spam
This happend first on kashgar and not the moon.

Jaxon Hall
Jaxon Hall

Russia lost WW1 but the Soviets won, because they got to exist as a direct result of it.

In retrospect smuggling Lenin into Russia to stir up trouble was probably not the brightest idea the Germans had

Jose Brown
Jose Brown

Italy
Pyrrhic Victory

If your losses make you believe you lost that one as well, then losses the Italians had in the 12 Battles of Isonzo are perfectly comparable. Also its their own fault they didn't get much of what they were promised.

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

Because the Raptor is most used optimally against humans by never using it against humans. If the U.S. had an ulterior motive in Blue Flag, it was to establish the Raptor as a deterrent. Hence why they beat the shit out of everyone, not just Argos.

I'm also amused that you think XFJ was a big enough deal to motivate that much effort. Why is the U.S. going to be so worried about Japan? Even if they got their heads out of their collective asses, they still have a critical manpower, infrastructure, and material problem.

Nathan Morales
Nathan Morales

They had TSFs during the infiltration of the minsk hive buddy. The reds wanted to capture the hive not destroy it.
Those damn frogs saw through theirs intention apparently.

Caleb Martin
Caleb Martin

I'm a Chink, we were stuck in a shitstorm at the time more or less wholly unrelated to WWI.
Also yeah I know it was partially 'their fault' for storming out when it looked like they weren't going to get it, but it's not like bringing up 'hey how about we don't give Italy the stuff they asked for' wasn't a pretty dick move

Luke Peterson
Luke Peterson

I'm also amused that you think XFJ was a big enough deal to motivate that much effort.
Because it was going to put the raptor to shame and they wanted to knock it out before it was completed.

Leo Richardson
Leo Richardson

And they dont have TSF to carry a 1 megaton nuke.

They actually do, they have a dedicated MiG for those kinds of operations. It didn't exist back in '78 but its not that hard to do the same thing with a MiG 21 or a F4.

Also:

What is a S11?

Hunter Gomez
Hunter Gomez

Putting the raptor to shame?

Wut?

Mason Young
Mason Young

minsk hive buddy
In 1978.

Sure they had TSF before 1978 but they did not have the tactics and did not know about how hives looked like inside.

S11
Something which we dont know the TNT equivelent?

Noah Murphy
Noah Murphy

The reason why the didn't give them shit was because as usual, the Italians when involved in major wars are basically the equivalent of the kid there to get food afterwards. Giving them just the participation trophy to match their efforts makes sense.

Going to put the Raptor to shame

The Raptor wasn't even at its midlife update cycle yet, and the XFJ was basically the high performance resource hog the US explicitly turned down, the Black Widow. The US was probably also already looking at a new TSF as soon as possible, after they replaced their F-15 fleet with the Raptor. And it doesn't matter if you've got 1 XFJ when the US has 20 Raptors each for it.

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

cant deploy a bomber with a nuke

What are cruise missiles?
What are drones?
What are nuclear artillery shells?
What are heroes of the Soviet Union?

Well, it worked for them because the chaos of the Revolution(s) allowed them to win the Eastern Front and focus on the Western Allies.

And the German Empire ceased to exist after WWI, so while it hurt the Third Reich, it never had a chance to negatively effect them.

This happend first on kashgar and not the moon.

When did Integral Works say that Lasers were not deployed on Luna?

Yeah, the Volks Division had a full TSF regiment. They were in their long enough they could have detonated a nuke inside before the end, especially considering their battle plan more or less indicated that they knew it was a suicide mission.

If the U.S. was concerned that the YF-23 was better than the F-22, they would have gone with it during ATSF instead.

Nathan Howard
Nathan Howard

The reason why the didn't give them shit was because as usual, the Italians when involved in major wars are basically the equivalent of the kid there to get food afterwards. Giving them just the participation trophy to match their efforts makes sense.
Not when they joined on the express condition that that's what they were getting, contribution or not you promised them something and they did try to work for it.

Asher King
Asher King

Something which we dont know the TNT equivelent?

We know from the JFK Hive mission that it's smaller than an tactical nuclear weapon (of unknown yield).

Walken mentioned that he'd brought a nuke to take out the Reactor if the plan to set S-11s failed, but that escaping the blast range would have been... difficult.

The Raptor wasn't even at its midlife update cycle yet...

Yeah, this. The U.S. had already made that decision.

William Miller
William Miller

Heck, they also deserve credit for ultimately causing the collapse of the Habsburgs at Vittorio Veneto. Even if the Brusilov Offensive ultimately played a greater role, it was the Italians that delivered the Coup de Grace.

The Habsburgs collapsing was probably a net benefit for Germany considering how incompetent they were.

Easton Cook
Easton Cook

cant deploy a bomber with a nuke
What are cruise missiles?
What are drones?
What are nuclear artillery shells?
What are heroes of the Soviet Union?
laser laser laser laser
dead

Do not throw in logic

When did Integral Works say that Lasers were not deployed on Luna?
When they stressed the importance of 19 days? It took 19 days for laser-class to be used. If they were already using laser-class on the moon then they would use it instantly on kashgar.

If laser-class was used on the moon to shoot down things then the moon war would be lost. They lack the heavy weaponry to barge their way through the laser defense and destroy them. And space ship that is coming in to land is at the risk of getting shot down.

but that escaping the blast range would have been... difficult.
Well it is a large explosion inside a confined space.

Bentley Robinson
Bentley Robinson

No, they wanted to pull the plug on the program before bringing in Black Widow was a thing. They were afraid that the regular XJF was going to out perform the Raptor and give Japan the means to defend themselves from America so they sent the Infinities to shut down the program.

Noah Scott
Noah Scott

Right, but the France and British felt that the amount of support they needed to give the Italians for them to actually accomplish what the did outweighed the benefits they provided.

It's not exactly unfounded, and the Germans had similar sentiments about them in WWII.

Dominic Cox
Dominic Cox

Okay, Governer Ventura.

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

But that's not relevant, because no matter what you say you're being a duplicitous asshole by denying them that you specifically promised them. If you can't guarantee that they can get it, don't promise it.

Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson

Both soviet and german troops had very unflattering opinions about burger "tanks", if you prefer to call mass graves that. Useful help came in form of jeeps, trucks and certain planes.

Brody Gutierrez
Brody Gutierrez

German Tigers weren't much better.

Andrew Lopez
Andrew Lopez

Depends. At least it had a good gun and optics(until 1944), which you can`t say about its ability to move on difficult types of terrain.

Jaxon Gutierrez
Jaxon Gutierrez

Sherman
Bad
It blew the hell out of the StuG's and Panzer IV's the Germans fielded for the most part. The Panther is a meme tank, and the Tiger was never fielded in high enough numbers to matter on the strategic scale.

Gavin James
Gavin James

Britain is really good at being duplicitous assholes and ruining everything for everyone else. We're still dealing with the Balfour Declaration and Sykes-Picot.

Xavier Fisher
Xavier Fisher

If they were already using laser-class on the moon then they would use it instantly on kashgar.

Oh, for a second there I though you were going to say something intelligent.

What they were referring to was the fact that the lasers were deployed at Kashgar as an emergency measure, because lasers are not normally produced at Hives below Phase IV. Kashgar, a Phase I (presumably) landing unit was not a Phase IV Hive, and should not have been deploying lasers.

That's what they were stressing.

If laser-class was used on the moon to shoot down things then the moon war would be lost.

Well, it certainly wasn't going super-great when we evacuated.

And space ship that is coming in to land is at the risk of getting shot down.

This is true. But as long as you maintain a large enough perimeter, the distances involved and the greater curavture of the Moon compared to Earth make it workable.

They lack the heavy weaponry to barge their way through the laser defense

The same dust that apparently caused problems for the human forces on the moon would function like free AL smoke, and the lack of an atmosphere for convection/conduction cooling would hammer the ability of lasers to maintain high rates of fire.

They'd be nasty, but not an instant win.

Joshua Ross
Joshua Ross

Perfidious Albion etc

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

Sherman

Why not go further and compare everything to a barn?

Brayden Roberts
Brayden Roberts

No, the problem was that they had not guaranteed the Italians the support they wound up very badly needing.

Kayden Martin
Kayden Martin

I don't understand how this is relevant. If you promised them something, then you need to shoulder the responsibility like a man (or even just a decent woman) and not pussy out when it turns out you cut yourself a raw deal.

Jayden Wood
Jayden Wood

The Sherman is also a meme tank that explodes when you look at it funny.

The U.S. Medium Tank, M4 used in WWII was an good, if not great, combat vehicle that was capable of engaging most Axis armored vehicles, and doing so well when its superior reliability, ease of maintenance, and procurability are considered.

It did an excellent job of fulfilling it's intended role of a component of the combined arms system of the U.S. military in the European Theater in WWII. However, despite the vast numbers in which it was produced, the majority of the internet has never heard of it.

Jaxon Allen
Jaxon Allen

The Sherman is also a meme tank that explodes when you look at it funny.
The U.S. Medium Tank, M4 used in WWII was an good, if not great, combat vehicle that was capable of engaging most Axis armored vehicles, and doing so well when its superior reliability, ease of maintenance, and procurability are considered.
Probably because they're the same fucking tank.>The M4 Sherman, officially Medium Tank, M4, was the most numerous battle tank used by the United States and some of the other Western Allies in World War II. In spite of being surpassed by German medium and heavy tanks late in the war, the M4 Sherman proved to be very reliable, cheaper to produce and available in greater numbers

Lucas Moore
Lucas Moore

I agree. The Italians should have figured out some way to carry out their end of the deal.

Henry Turner
Henry Turner

The Italian end of the deal was to join the war.

Matthew Watson
Matthew Watson

That's the point. I'm saying that they Sherman Meme has become so self-perpetuating that it isn't referring to a real tank anymore.

Carter Richardson
Carter Richardson

Ah well excuse me, I've had to deal with idiots trying to compare the Panzer V and the Panther before too.

Gavin Roberts
Gavin Roberts

Why hello there, Ketchup.

Blake Flores
Blake Flores

Panzer V
Panther
MInd to tell me the results of "comparison"?

Gabriel Myers
Gabriel Myers

I think it went something like the Panther was a super tank that outclassed everything else but the Pz V was too expensive to actually use and was kind of unreliable. Weird how they separated the thing into two components.

Aaron Price
Aaron Price

Nah, it's fine.

The other thing is that the Sherman Meme Battle Tank was designed for the same missions with the same goals as the German tanks.

Conversely, as I understand, the M4 wasn't built for anywhere near the same role as most of the German medium panzers, let alone the heavies. The U.S. saw tanks best used alongside motorized or mechanized infantry, various tank-destroyers and SPGs, and (prehaps most critically) Close Air Support.

For there, you can make a decent case that if the U.S. discovered that the Germans had a new Liger supertank with frontal armor totally immune to the M4's 75mm cannon and so forth, they would have been justified in not scrambling to replace their own tank.

Because they'd just have someone drop a thousand-pound bomb on it.

Austin Stewart
Austin Stewart

Oh really?

Christian Flores
Christian Flores

desu the Panther [was] pretty fucking good but it's strange how they completely cut a tank down the middle conceptually so that their Panther could be totally untouchable.

Samuel Howard
Samuel Howard

Sherman
a fucking infantry support doctrinally
designed for the same missions with the same goals as the German tanks

What am I reading.

Brayden Turner
Brayden Turner

So Panzer 5 was basically better?

Brayden Watson
Brayden Watson

The joke was that the 'Sherman' is the memel version of the M4 Medium
Nah, the Panzer VIB was better but the Tiger II was worse.

Samuel Gray
Samuel Gray

when I was in grade school I thought that Panzer was just the German way of spelling Panther

Ian Wood
Ian Wood

How did you even hear about Panzers in grade school

Austin Robinson
Austin Robinson

Panther was a super tank that outclassed everything else but the Pz V
Honk honk

Jonathan Lopez
Jonathan Lopez

No I meant to say that they thought the Pz V was too expensive and such, while the Panther outclassed everything.

Cameron Price
Cameron Price

Tiger II
Shit had potential 2bh.
Shame it failed cause of collapsing industry
I actually lost my shit than i heard "panzer kamperwagen" for a first time

Kevin Nguyen
Kevin Nguyen

kamperwagen
sounds comfy af

Jason Clark
Jason Clark

Pls google Panzer 5.
I can't handle this anymore

Samuel Howard
Samuel Howard

Panther was inspired by 34 for a lot in the first place. Germs were suddenly reminded that mobility is important in a tank, holy shit.

Joseph Walker
Joseph Walker

Why don't YOU re-read the reply chain you moron, I know they're the same tank

Jaxon Nguyen
Jaxon Nguyen

Why german always sounds like killing intent?

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

It came out from production line too late.
PzKpfw VI was way too expensive to manufacture. It was also too slow for T34, which was cheap.

Nathan Williams
Nathan Williams

when you pretend to be retarded for too long and people think you're legit retarded
fml

Nathan Bailey
Nathan Bailey

Because the if the Germans are not trying to kill you, they're plotting to kill you.

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

German reaction to some of the Soviet tanks was pretty funny, especially the KV1 and T34.

Lincoln Phillips
Lincoln Phillips

KV truly were monsters, their reaction here is understandable. But 34 were much more of a danger generally.

Brody Ortiz
Brody Ortiz

Pure roman and degenerate Greek

They even look like Iris and Beatrix.

Owen Adams
Owen Adams

It's funny because it's true.

Sebastian Bell
Sebastian Bell

I`m triggered by the blonde hair on roman.

Luke Hernandez
Luke Hernandez

KV was monster which didn't have motorized tower. There was crank which you used to turn entire tower.
T34 had quantity over quality.

Ayden Scott
Ayden Scott

There are plenty of ways that could have happened. She could be legionary from an outer Imperial province serving for citizenship, for example.

Hunter Clark
Hunter Clark

Or a strong Aryan and a Soviet cuck.

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

With KVs armor, you had all the time you needed to turn that crank and make roasted germs.
34 simply had no equal operationally until later 4 models and 5.

And pointless muh quality masturbation in the fucking all-out world war is what killed germs in the end.

William Reyes
William Reyes

strong Aryan
Soviet cuck

It works in exactly opposite way, tovarisch.

Landon Morales
Landon Morales

Well no she couldn't, since neither legionaries or auxiliaries could be female

Kayden Bennett
Kayden Bennett

Maybe it`s a really feminine male.

Austin Davis
Austin Davis

But does it have a feminine penis etc etc
Roman is not an ethnicity, this meme needs to die. Latin or Italic can passably be construed as an ethnicity but anyone could be Roman.

Michael Edwards
Michael Edwards

Are we in the magic clay territory here? Already?

William Morgan
William Morgan

what

Chase Myers
Chase Myers

The school library had a full collection of the Time-Life Works War Two large format photo books. It's basically how I learned to read. Also, I got to visit the Museum of Flight, USS Missouri, and the Tank Museum at Fort Lewis because I had good parents.

Matthew Cruz
Matthew Cruz

Well, that and an unrealistic expectation of what they were qualified to build with what they had and with the strategic bombing campaign complicating everything.

But Agent 47 would enacted a plan with basically the same end effect on the DDR and benefit for the Soviet Union.

but anyone could be Roman

Which was a solid half of why the Empire worked as well as it did for so long. Along with the efficient application of shocking volumes of brute force.

James Johnson
James Johnson

anyone could be Roman

Brush up on actual memes of the season, user.

Oliver Nguyen
Oliver Nguyen

pls spoonfeed

Angel Reed
Angel Reed

Considering they were making goddamn V2s and planes with strategic bombing in full swing, I doubt it was as effective as it was PRed to be.
But it gives hitlerites a nice drezden meme to masturbate to, so okay.jpeg.

Parker Collins
Parker Collins

If only he managed that last SA rating, if only.

Robert Russell
Robert Russell

Who's that Pokémon?

Ethan Rivera
Ethan Rivera

Yui, Inia and Cryska are my waifus.

Jason Harris
Jason Harris

Slow tower turning speed was key to destory KV-1.
Front armor of PzKpfw VI was too thick for KV-1's 76mm cannon (T34 used same), but later on some of those was replaced with 85mm before IS-1 with 122mm came from factory.

Ryder James
Ryder James

That`s why you had to position your KV right.

Oliver Bell
Oliver Bell

You mind if I CHOMP a few? You got three of them, losing one or two isn't a big deal. Right?

Christian Anderson
Christian Anderson

Yui is perfect. And so is Cryska and Inia.

Josiah Reed
Josiah Reed

Yuimoto a best

Charles Walker
Charles Walker

You can keep Sumika.

Matthew Torres
Matthew Torres

Stasimouto is a better sister and a better lover than Yuimoto

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith

pls no

David Flores
David Flores

throwing a hotdog down the hall
more barren than a desert
better

No.

Isaiah Ortiz
Isaiah Ortiz

throwing a hotdog down the hall
You must have a pinprick for a dick

Adam Torres
Adam Torres

With the Whore of Berlin, I may have a battering ram there. Makes no difference.

Zachary Hall
Zachary Hall

Considering they were making goddamn V2s and planes

Well, I don't think there is anyone saying were doing a very good job of it at that point, and having to build everything in caves with slave labor was doing a number on their output quality. Along with the lack of materials, that's why the Me 262 had engines being write-offs at twelve hours of flight time.

Then there's the fact of volume to consider, and the plunge it took. You also can't forget transit infrastructure; destroying marshaling yards and rolling stock makes has a multiplicative effect on the headache of everything else.

Fuel targets can't be ignored either - there are Germans who cite the loss of fuel plants and oil refineries as being one of the biggest problems.

But Operation STARVATION, along with MEETINGHOUSE and reenactments, sort of seal the deal that it can work.

I doubt it was as effective as it was PRed to be.

And there's the Bomber Mafia Reaction Mafia

Ayden Howard
Ayden Howard

There IS a limit to how loose a pussy can get you know

Chase Long
Chase Long

Not using IVF and a surrogate to fulfill your Stasimouto's dreams of motherhood

Adrian Phillips
Adrian Phillips

But once neural transmission speed lag becomes a factor, it's really a moot point.

Nathaniel Jackson
Nathaniel Jackson

But the fact remains that if your dick is a hotdog to her hallway, then it is either a tiny hallway or a massive hotdog
Or a small dick

Isaiah Sanchez
Isaiah Sanchez

No, it`s just a Whore of Berlin gash. Smaller bater strains are probably hiding there with room to spare.

Logan Butler
Logan Butler

wew

Daniel Martinez
Daniel Martinez

Smaller bater strains are probably hiding there

Where she'd catch those? Did they send her to Kashgar to seduce the superior?

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

Nah, just Minisk.

I mean, do you really think that story about Soviet TSF actually penetrating the Hive was legit?

Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

Would her muff be Gashgar hive then?

Levi Ross
Levi Ross

All the love she gets confuses me. She ONCE was a good person, but by the time of Schwarzesmarken, she's a rabid dog that needs to be put down. At least it's better than Beatrix, who was an even worse monster than Axmann before the prequel tried to retcon her. Beatrix was still a sadist who personally tortured Iris to the point where Iris would be in pain for the rest of her life (had Axmann not shot her).

Jason Kelly
Jason Kelly

Gashgar hive

Probably.

Isaac Harris
Isaac Harris

You`ve just summoned beato defence force. They`ll scream about Hitler and generally make asses of themselves, so good job.

Jayden Robinson
Jayden Robinson

she's a rabid dog that needs to be put down
better than Beatrix, who was an even worse monster than Axmann

And prey tell who did make her that way?

Carson Diaz
Carson Diaz

Can't you tell it a Joke?

Baiting Beato and Lise fags is fun, ain't it?

Evan Thompson
Evan Thompson

Because for all the horrible things she's done, Stasimouto was never beyond redemption. There was always a possibility she could be saved, right up until the end.

Also welcome back.

Blake Gray
Blake Gray

Or just not gone for it an Insurance Agent or Crazed Gunman approach.

Jack Fisher
Jack Fisher

countless dead civillians
half of Berlin with something beyond AIDS
torture and death of 666 members
redemption

There`s delusion, and then there`s lisefaggotry.

Owen Russell
Owen Russell

Thanks communism!

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

lisefag shifting blame

Nope.jpeg

Samuel Bennett
Samuel Bennett

The first would be considered part of the evil of the system, the second is memes, the third is probably legit.
Personal redemption doesn't necessarily end in life though.

Hunter Jackson
Hunter Jackson

Yeah, this was pretty much my whole take on it. Pitty, I could get, but...

Maybe it's the fact that the 'cute little sister' mask she puts on around the 666th is semi-pleasurable and sufficiently appealing that it's easy to forget that it's a mask.

There`s delusion, and then there`s lisefaggotry.

Well put, good sir.

Easton Gray
Easton Gray

lisefag shifting blame
t.Axmann nice try.

Jaxson Brown
Jaxson Brown

muh ebil system
AIDS is memes

Lucas Johnson
Lucas Johnson

Yeah it is, because being forced in sexual slavery or prostitution really can't be blamed on the girl in question.

William Butler
William Butler

“There's always, always a choice. My options might really, truly suck, but that doesn't mean there isn't a choice.”

Dylan Williams
Dylan Williams

Who are you quoting, and why?

We like her resting bitch face, too. She's a very appealing character.

Sebastian Wood
Sebastian Wood

Literally catlady.
You lisefags are all hopeless.

Charles Martin
Charles Martin

coming to Sup Forums solely to hate on someone else's waifu
Why

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

Who are you quoting, and why?

Harry Dresden. Because he knows what he is fucking talking about.

That said, Michael Carpenter is probably a better illustration of how Lise doesn't have nearly the excuse she thinks she does.

Zachary Jenkins
Zachary Jenkins

What should she have done then?

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

solely

Dresden is literally dense harem MC without the harem part.
Also >muh city fantasy, or how that shit`s called.

Landon James
Landon James

GENUFLECT

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

Choice is a meme.

Caleb Lewis
Caleb Lewis

There is no ditch too muddy for a lisefag.

Justin King
Justin King

Use her plot armor.

Jordan Nguyen
Jordan Nguyen

Get out.

Ryder Stewart
Ryder Stewart

Dresden is literally dense harem MC without the harem part.

No, He's made himself such, because that's a survival trait in his line of work.

muh city fantasy

Urban Fantasy, I think, and I've never been a huge fan of it. But you could argue that it only ever had the window dressings.

Parker Brooks
Parker Brooks

She could have tried that, indeed.

Eli Sanchez
Eli Sanchez

Before Requiem came along, most of the blame for the evil shit rested squarely on Beatrix's shoulders.

Jose Scott
Jose Scott

Axmann is truly the devil incarnate.

Aiden Campbell
Aiden Campbell

Seems to me that Hiroki wanted a morally grey story but didn't want to rewrite it after it was already published, so he simply added to it instead.

Gavin Jones
Gavin Jones

Stop posting about this shit series please.

Andrew Allen
Andrew Allen

What are you refering to when you say that Michael might be a better illustration?

It's less that he's dense he was only really dense with molly, and that's it's own bag of worms and more that he realizes he's got a lot of enemies who can fuck him up via the tactical use of waifu harm a lesson he learned the hard way with Susan Rodrigez

Gabriel Evans
Gabriel Evans

Make them kill her. At the end of the day, she would not have be the first girl her age to stay steadfast in the face of depravity.

She was stupid to think that her co-operation or lack thereof could provide Theo with anything more than transient protection; that isn't how these organizations work.

The fact that it did was something of a plot fiat.

Adam Davis
Adam Davis

Ok so it's tumblr capeshit. Noted. You can go enjoy that while I enjoy thick Stasi thighs.

Luke Mitchell
Luke Mitchell

The stupid evil of the stasi were a stretch even as far as ML's dumb politics went. Sagiri's Rebels and the RLF were way better characterized. They seemed more like the sorts of organizations actual people would latch onto with actual (though dumb) goals.

Brandon Green
Brandon Green

I always thought Axmann needed Theo for his own ends, not just as some dumb carrot to hang before his toy whore.

capeshit
tumblr
It`s not good at all, but what a way to shoot oneself in the foot.

Andrew Roberts
Andrew Roberts

Mad that Cape comics have better and fleshed out characters?

Alexander Mitchell
Alexander Mitchell

Not really a survival trait. It helps him more than once, sure, but at the end of the day he's having to resort to that cause he's the one wanting to play Superman.

He even says it himself right in the books, he could just do the thing most wizards do in-setting, which is get a day job, pretend they're not that special and continue their studies/research in their labs in secret, but no. He's the one who wants to be Mr. Big Badass Hero when his chosen careers don't even have to involve that (wizard/private detective)

Cooper Sullivan
Cooper Sullivan

I think one of the issues is is that actual political movements tend to view themselves in the right, and tend to have a sort of unity in their common cause. The stasi don't, and every stasi character is shown to be an impulsive sadist who can't keep their torture boner in their pants and/or highly selfish and only out for themselves. Common sense would dictate that such an organization would be so dysfunctional as to not to be a major threat to anyone.

Owen Hernandez
Owen Hernandez

He's riding a cyborg dinosaur, and the image is clearly from tumblr.

Anyway, you can compare how well similar themes were handled between works of fiction, but if you're trying to argue that a fictional character should have behaved in a different manner, you have to draw examples from the real world.

That's common ground for everyone. Anything can happen in fiction regardless of what is possible or plausible, and I have to be familiar with that particular work of fiction to know if your example is valid or not.

Jonathan Taylor
Jonathan Taylor

cyborg dinosaur

More like a zombie dinosaur. He performed necromancy on some museum pieces and ended up with that.

Christopher Harris
Christopher Harris

The stupid evil of the stasi

That's the problem alright . If it was his intention to make a good vs. evil story, then fine. But Requiem and BiS and the mans own claims that he wanted some moral ambiguity make it unworkable. If you want moral ambiguity you don't make a side so obviously, stupidly evil.

Colton Mitchell
Colton Mitchell

but if you're trying to argue that a fictional character should have behaved in a different manner, you have to draw examples from the real world.

Oh, you mean like all the people who were tortured to death and executed by the soviets because they didn't cooperate.

Hunter Morris
Hunter Morris

That wasn't Hiroki, that was Watanabe.

Adam Hill
Adam Hill

Hopefully the VN incorporates some more of Kouki's changes. Beatrix's design is too good to be wasted on a generic evil villain.

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

Great designs are wasted on villains all the time.

Ryder Nguyen
Ryder Nguyen

Watanabe wanted a good vs. evil story. If the anime was standalone, we would be complaining about other things.

Juan Nelson
Juan Nelson

I think coming up with a good villain is a lot harder than making a good character design for a villain.

Brayden Bennett
Brayden Bennett

It's not just that, it's that many times, the villain grills are the ones getting the best/hottest designs while the heroines are stuck with generic design. It's especially bad when you see this in an eroge or harem series.

Landon Flores
Landon Flores

Yeah, basically. Now examine why the Soviets did that. If you don't understand the motivations behind atrocity, you won't understand why they occur in the first place, and you won't be able to prevent them from happening again.

In the case of the Soviets, there were a lot off steps to it. Soviet leadership had been purged several times between 1920 and 1953, and every officer had a sword hanging over his head at all times.

(Sometimes this worked out. Solzhenitsyn got sent to gulag for writing rude things about Stalin in his letters. His Artillery Battery was subsequently wiped out in the Battle of Berlin.)

The Soviets also used intense propaganda to ensure their soldiers would brutalize German civilians, and only stopped when it became politically inconvenient.

I'm not saying everyone should always walk free, but prevention is more important than punishment.
This thing about prosecuting everyone who was present at Auschwitz, for instance, as accessories to 400k murders, it's absurd on its face, especially since they were mostly teenagers at the time.

Gavin Thomas
Gavin Thomas

I'm guessing there's an official explanation, but why are they using hands? Why not have the whole arm as the weapon, instead of a held weapon that can be disarmed and needs to be fed from time to time? Why not have the ammo inside the thing, not hanging around outside? I guess it's because the enemy will aim for the whole arm and the TSF will be completely helpless, or structural limits and too many moving parts, but I think there's more to that.

Gavin Bell
Gavin Bell

It`s a fucking mecha, in ML at that. Don`t try to rationalize it, results will be horrible.

Dominic Bailey
Dominic Bailey

Hammerhead

Nolan Turner
Nolan Turner

Your "Official explanation" is the rule of cool.

Everyone in this thread realizes giant robots are completely impractical as warmachines, no one is under any illusions (unless you're talking about holdouts from /m/) and the only way they become practical is if you introduce caveats into the setting itself, even Gundam, the most famous mecha series of them all has "Minovsky particles" ours is the Laser-kuns.

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

Not mine, I mean canon explanation. There must be something.

inb4 tank vs mecha thread

Logan Harris
Logan Harris

He gave it to you already.

the only way they become practical is if you introduce caveats into the setting itself
ours is the Laser-kuns.

Unless you're asking why are mecha shaped like mecha. In that case I want access to whatever paint thinner you're huffing at the moment.

Nolan Phillips
Nolan Phillips

I could say the same thing about you.

The same dust that apparently caused problems for the human forces on the moon would function like free AL smoke, and the lack of an atmosphere for convection/conduction cooling would hammer the ability of lasers to maintain high rates of fire.

The thing is that laser class was not used on the moon as long range weapons. If they were then orbital bombardment would fail and be considerd ineffective. The loses agains the BETA would be even higher considering now they cannot use their limmited firepower to the maximum.

This is true. But as long as you maintain a large enough perimeter, the distances involved and the greater curavture of the Moon compared to Earth make it workable.

Untill the heavy laser class get deployed whom got even further range and would enjoy the greater curvature. And the hives on the moon are not small

Well, it certainly wasn't going super-great when we evacuated.
What, are you saying they were getting shot down?

Kashgar as an emergency measure
Also because it was the first time the faced the laser-class. Mainly because the resistance on the moon was not strong enough that the superior would use laser-class to shoot down incoming projectiles and alike for fear of getting completely wasted at the start of contact with humans. All they want to do is mine the shit out of the moon while still being alive which they were doing at normal speeds.

If they were using laser-class on the moon as long range weaponry then it would mean the BETA was in a almost war-like mode already on the moon. It would mean they would already produce laser-class or have laser-class the moment they landed on kashgar and not wait for 19 days for the superior to get his shit together.

And you are acting as if humanity knows that landing units have no laser-class and they know what hives are and their structure and what kind of hive that produce laser-class in 19 fucking 73.
they dont

Nathaniel Parker
Nathaniel Parker

Oh, the TSFs are a design evolution of Manned Maneuver Units used for various tasks on the lunar surface, which are themselves derived from powered, neurological controlled space suits.

The U.S. developed the NCAF-X1 for lunar combat, and it was something of a kitbash, because wartime exigence is a bitch. It was doing pretty well, and then the BETA invaded Earth.

America then rushes a crash-development program, producing the YSF4H-1 test-type. But the team that was building the integrated cannon wasted their budget on hookers and blow (presumably) and it was not ready in time, so they just kept the original manipulator-hands as a stopgap, and it never went away.

Jackson Torres
Jackson Torres

every day

Dylan Campbell
Dylan Campbell

Actually, you offer pretty abundant proof that you couldn't.

aser class was not used on the moon as long range weapons. If they were then orbital bombardment would fail and be considerd ineffective. The loses agains the BETA would be even higher considering now they cannot use their limited firepower to the maximum.

This paragraph is not coherent. I can tell you think it means something, but it doesn't.

laser class was not used on the moon as long range weapons.

This is never stated, and they've used lasers as an anti-artillery resume from the beginning on Earth. You're just making wild assumptions, because you are a spastic.

the heavy laser class

Nope, more power doesn't let you ignore fucking geometry.

What, are you saying they were getting shot down?

Not in the slightest.

because it was the first time the faced the laser-class.

This is your assumption. There is nothing stating it to be true. I don't know why you want to believe this so badly.

because the resistance on the moon was not strong enough that the superior would use laser-class to shoot down incoming projectiles and alike for fear of getting completely wasted at the start of contact with humans

What the fuck does this mean? That he was hiding his power level?

Also, there is nothing indicating that there was a Phase VI Hive and Superior on Luna in '73. So there is no reason to expect this sort of fake-strategy bullshit.

normal speeds

Why do you assume six years of war is normal for a mining operation?

they would already produce laser-class

What part of 'facilities limitation' do you not comprehend?

And you are acting as if humanity knows that landing units have no laser-class and they know what hives are and their structure and what kind of hive that produce laser-class in 19 fucking 73

No, I'm not. What makes you think I am? Nothing I've said has to do with decisions any of the human leaders made, which is the only case where this could be at all relevant.

Tyler Williams
Tyler Williams

nuh uh they used laser-class on the moon to shoot things
Okay.

This piece of shit they have on the top, the LV-2 can only fire 16 rockets before having to reload.

To match the firepower of 1 122-MM Rocket Launcher BM-21 which got 40 rockets you need 2.5 LV-2

To match the firepower that 1 Soviet Rocket Launcher Regiment which got 54 BM-21, got the collective power to launch 2160 rockets in one go all firing. You need 135 LV-2 vehicles.

Now throw in doing this on the moon and laser-class in the whole BETA horde and you got limited resources and transportation and production to sustain your fighting force.

Seems like you are gona lose very fast right?

Kevin Cooper
Kevin Cooper

I'm using Soviet equipment in space. I'd be fucked without the BETA.

Logan Peterson
Logan Peterson

What the fuck does this mean? That he was hiding his power level?
No he was just mining and recycling carbon based lifeforms. He is not in warmode, if he was then we would have fortlaser-class on the moon as fast as possible.

Also, there is nothing indicating that there was a Phase VI Hive and Superior on Luna in '73. So there is no reason to expect this sort of fake-strategy bullshit.
What makes you think there was no superior on the moon? If there was none then laser-class would not be used to shoot down projectiles. :^)

Why do you assume six years of war is normal for a mining operation?
well they are not fighting, they are mining the moon and it takes time before they got power to send another landing unit to the next planet etc for more mining. It is not like they are getting pushed back to hive 01 on the moon right?

What part of 'facilities limitation' do you not comprehend?
Oh shit I got these non-sentient lifeforms throwing explosives at me, I guess they come from that planet. Should I have laser-class on the landing unit or make it able to produce laser-class on the spot? Nah fuck it. Let them deal with that shit I dont give a fuck.

Nope, more power doesn't let you ignore fucking geometry.
More curvature would benifit the heavy laser class. It would cover more area for it to fire.

This is your assumption. There is nothing stating it to be true. I don't know why you want to believe this so badly.
Because then the chinese would not risk trying to capture kashgar unless they knew that landing units have no laser-class or they did not know that it existed in the first place because there is no report that there are laser-class on the moon since they are all underground breaking down rocks like good miners.

James Davis
James Davis

Got anymore to say? Care to explain how humanity would not get its shit pushed in on the moon if laser-class was used as long range weapons?

Zachary Gray
Zachary Gray

He is not in warmode

Of course not, because he didn't fucking exist.

Lincoln Lee
Lincoln Lee

So who controlled the beta on the moon? No one?

Colton Miller
Colton Miller

There's the proper answer. Thanks, anon-kun.

Josiah Long
Josiah Long

So who controlled the beta on the moon? No one?

The Reactors, same as controlled them for ~28 years of warfare on Earth. You clearly missed the part where the Superior was a new development, and the BETA had functioned just find without it.

You're trying to apply a terrestrial paradigm of warfare, where things like atmospheric cooling and drag are taken for granted, to an environment where they don't apply. You also clearly don't know what you're talking about.

I could explain how the lasers would have much greater heat management problems on the moon, or how the lack of an atmosphere makes high-velocity and low-angle fire more viable, or reiterated the point about dust and the horizon.

I could make mention of the concept of a hard vacuum and what it does to exposed fluids, or of what that means for an organic system with a hole poked in it.

But I'm not going to do that, because I've tried, and you've demonstrated that you don't just don't get it, ESL-kun. There are plenty of ways it could be done, but you don't really care about them.

For some reason.

Noah Price
Noah Price

Yeah. I like how it kind of recognizes the handwave, but still provides a good reason that incorporates that.

And it's not as if mounted weaponry never happened.

James Foster
James Foster

Maybe you should accept the integral works and that the BETA are far more resistant to the hars lunar enviorment then humans.

And how the laser-class is even able to do what it does.

Daniel Jackson
Daniel Jackson

There's also the fact that manipulators make them more 'human' like to operators, which can help a lot depending on the control mechanisms.

Plus manipulators are useful as hell. Hard for a mech without hands to get up if it falls over.

Jaxon Fisher
Jaxon Fisher

BETA are far more resistant to the hars lunar enviorment then humans

Right. Just like a submarine is far more resistant to high pressure than a human.

Now, put a little hole in the side of that submarine at depth and see how it goes.

And how the laser-class is even able to do what it does.

Fuck thermodynamics, amirite?

(by the way, when you respond 'yes' to the above, you accept responsibility for explaining how we are then at all able to resist something capable of that, which is a big deal in a way you almost certainly do not understand - they probably wouldn't have any need to mine if they could)

Christopher Reyes
Christopher Reyes

Well you can complain and poke holes.

Nothing will really change unless you contact the authors and explain to them that their work of fiction sucks and make them change it.

Angel Price
Angel Price

Best girl

Brody Moore
Brody Moore

Almost

Brody Ortiz
Brody Ortiz

Wrong

Parker Nguyen
Parker Nguyen

Bitch please, F-22 Best girl. Top Gun agrees.

Gavin Wright
Gavin Wright

Raptor2Fast&Furious.

Camden Parker
Camden Parker

I want the Europoors to go, the thread goes to shit everytime they're the ones primarily active.

Gabriel Perry
Gabriel Perry

Damn right.

Nicholas Perez
Nicholas Perez

The cutest

Mason Gray
Mason Gray

More cutest

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

I really like the eyes this artist draws.
Anything colored? Doesn't even have to be SM

Leo White
Leo White

Official SM Nationality Ranking:

1 - Chinese
2 - Japanese
3 - Euros
4 - Americans
5 - Brazilians

Josiah Bell
Josiah Bell

Here is your 100 yuan bill

Owen Taylor
Owen Taylor

Based on what?

Elijah Walker
Elijah Walker

I haven't seen anything. His art all has the look of ink on paper

Ryder Hughes
Ryder Hughes

Korea is number #1

Aaron Hernandez
Aaron Hernandez

His shilling

Jose Howard
Jose Howard

Nignof what are you smoking, the thread is comfiest when Asian are flitting about and it's relax time for Amerifats. Europoors seem to just fuck up the thread.

It's no coincidence the Europoors have the majority of Gretel and Katiafags.

Sebastian Garcia
Sebastian Garcia

It's no coincidence the Europoors have the majority of Gretel and Katiafags.
based on what?

Gavin Ortiz
Gavin Ortiz

I second the last one.

Elijah Torres
Elijah Torres

To be fair the Croat and the Serb who chime in here both tend to keep it comfy when they aren't Titoposting.

Jacob Howard
Jacob Howard

It's no coincidence the Europoors have the majority of Gretel and Katiafags.
Hahaha, what?

Benjamin Johnson
Benjamin Johnson

His ass

Ryder Jackson
Ryder Jackson

Seems to me that the majority of the Europeans are Lise and Beatrixfags without much animosity towards other characters.

Wyatt Rodriguez
Wyatt Rodriguez

Most of the shitposting seems to be when the Americans come home. They're all judgmental and loud as fuck; that's why I ranked them low. I'm American, by the way.

As for the Brazilian, well everyone remembers the A/Z fag, right?

That's why the Asians are ranked the highest. They're the ones who drop translations and give us fanart.

Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

As for the Brazilian, well everyone remembers the A/Z fag, right?
That was only one

Ian Flores
Ian Flores

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Was he like "huehuehuehuehue?"

Hunter Lee
Hunter Lee

He was enough.

Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

Most of the shitposting seems to be when the Americans come home. They're all judgmental and loud as fuck; that's why I ranked them low. I'm American, by the way.

As an American, thus is why I resent the idea of universal healthcare. I'm super ok with large sections of my fellow countrymen dying in the gutter from preventable illnesses. I certainly don't want to pay real money that I earned to keep them alive.

James Lee
James Lee

They're all judgmental and loud as fuck;

I think the word you are looking for is reactionary.

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

He hated everyone but katia.

Spammed low quality shops and made threads reach image limit fast.

Brody Taylor
Brody Taylor

Don't forget the copypastas. He was banned like twice, but always came back.

Aaron Young
Aaron Young

hue and katiafag

Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

Yes that also

The worst of the worst.

Atleast we had katia PSA poster to counter it.

Chase Diaz
Chase Diaz

Majority of the Lise and Beatrixfags are American you cunt, the "Beatrix is literally Hitler" and "Lise is a monster" bullshit only starts when most Americans are asleep, and Europeans are coming home and shit.

Well clearly you have no idea what you're talking about then. You're up at the same goddamn time. Do you not see the shitflinging flying back and forth that stop when Europoors go to sleep?

I'm not an American by birth, but fuck you, you shitbag, go lick the balls off some French faggots and beg for their attentions.

implying you have a job

Charles Cruz
Charles Cruz

/a/thread/141138379#p141138379
/a/thread/141138379#p141138379
NEW THREAD
/a/thread/141138379#p141138379

Caleb Wright
Caleb Wright

Hopefully someday

Good god i want more raptors on the salt deserts and everyone just focusing on fucking up BETAs

Luis Cruz
Luis Cruz

they need those hands in etc etc blah blah

Evan Johnson
Evan Johnson

everyone just focusing on fucking up BETAs
That won't happen. America, Germany, and everyone else are only concerned with their own interests.

Easton Hill
Easton Hill

And prey tell what do you have against French?
I am one and a Lisefag, problem?
You are quite reactionary. You have my attention at least :P.
Not american by birth
Insulting French.
Are you a RoastBeef ?

Landon Thompson
Landon Thompson

You make me proud.

Camden Long
Camden Long

its okay the germans are either dying or only ones left on TDA

they cant really fight anymore on TDA considering that they are very few now and that eveything is fucked and usa will bomb anyone who tries to

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

Germany
Don't you mean French since they are the last Yuropeans that have some degree of importance?

Owen Ross
Owen Ross

i think on tda the last still active squad is the zerberus squad and the rest are either MIA or KIA520

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