Muv-luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

Back in Black

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ
http://www.mediafire.com/download/unouhen06x8iaxt/
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z22ezafzu133m91
http://www.strawpoll.me/10138951
http://www.strawpoll.me/10138973
http://ameblo.jp/agerienee/entry-12135760526.html
http://ameblo.jp/agerienee/entry-12138238589.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAp5gAYDUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFtWZDDHlDw
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv262190855
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv262190855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RAzI7UEkhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX26vUoVpaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7AgUcME4o0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZf98M2C-aI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDmdfOrG3D8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GgS-SwKPxU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hb87a1SItc
Landon Brooks
Landon Brooks

Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ

Evan Reyes
Evan Reyes

Schwarzesmarken Original Soundtrack #2 out now!

FLAC:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/unouhen06x8iaxt/

MP3:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z22ezafzu133m91

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

/a/thread/141096836#p141138487
everyone just focusing on fucking up BETAs
That won't happen. America, Germany, and everyone else are only concerned with their own interests and staying ahead of everyone else.

Nathan Young
Nathan Young

Take your shitty generals and get the fuck out.
/m/
/jp/
/vg/
>>>/anywherebuthere/

Christian Fisher
Christian Fisher

Hey neat, new art, it's pretty...

All Japanese TSFs

For fucks sake! Well at least half of them are actually Merrican.

Nolan Reed
Nolan Reed

PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

Nicholas Flores
Nicholas Flores

All of them are 'murican offshot.
They all belongs to Uncle Sam.

Julian Price
Julian Price

TDA needs more Thunder action.

Levi Jackson
Levi Jackson

Not me.

Asher Rodriguez
Asher Rodriguez

The only way to stop is for the mods to step in

Daniel Kelly
Daniel Kelly

Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

Jack Anderson
Jack Anderson

Just for fun, let's have some polls:

Best SM Boy: http://www.strawpoll.me/10138951

Best SM Girl: http://www.strawpoll.me/10138973

As an aside, Age will be conducting the first of it's two-part birthday popularity poll for the month of June tomorrow. The top three winners get official art. Guess who's birthday is next month. That's right, it's LISE! Usually, the poll hits at around 7:30AM CT - 7:45AM CT. If you want to support Lise, you should vote for her (not that I'll have any doubt that she'll win even without our votes). As for links, usually they're posted on âge's homepage or found easily in their twitter feed (which is again, found on the homepage).

Happy Waifuing.

John Torres
John Torres

TDA
literally the side story that have so much tsf action for everyone
greedy arent we?

Jace Roberts
Jace Roberts

Best girl

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

Yui is love, Yui is life

Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

No

Christian Campbell
Christian Campbell

user please, you're not convincing anyone.

Justin Jackson
Justin Jackson

Neither are you with your pointless Yui spam

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

Theu usually do the birthday polling on the second and third weeks, right?

Cooper Torres
Cooper Torres

Lise/Beatrix and Axman will take these polls.

Joseph Murphy
Joseph Murphy

Count me in for Lise! :D.
This image confuse me, shouldn't they have put Irisdina with Theo? Does that mean she was just using him as some people suspect?
Does that also mean Lise's was Theo true love all along (in the translated bit of the LN he seems to think about her quite a bit).

James Lee
James Lee

it would if it gets a new VN in works pv or something ....i mean kouki did say that the TDA finale is something he really wants to let the fans see

Luke White
Luke White

Birthday pictures pair the MC with his OTP

Cameron Morris
Cameron Morris

I can't vote in those polls, so many good people...

Michael Fisher
Michael Fisher

its may and no muv luv on steam
literally why ?

Lucas James
Lucas James

new VN

hahaha
no

Brayden Lewis
Brayden Lewis

Posting best girls

Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

But did you vote for Pham?

Connor Ward
Connor Ward

Posting

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

Well we have enough and enough named characters to use them.

Landon James
Landon James

No, it's the first and second Friday of the month usually:

http://ameblo.jp/agerienee/entry-12135760526.html
http://ameblo.jp/agerienee/entry-12138238589.html

Sometimes, they'll move it to the second and third, but only if the first Friday falls on the first or second day of the month. The voting is tallied through the actual stream (it'll be a popup like the annotations you see on Youtube) so you'll only have a minute long window to cast your vote.

Hunter Fisher
Hunter Fisher

it kinda bothers me now that the name Age is literally how much time your gonna wait for another VN to come out

good god I want my melvina maniax or euro front already

Landon Thomas
Landon Thomas

Iris was manipulating him, but then, so was everybody. Some of her manipulation was to help him, but some of it wasn't so altruistic. The only person who truly loved him was Lise.

Caleb Young
Caleb Young

I can respect your choice even if I don't agree with it. Shine on you crazy diamond.

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

Shame she's dead in TDA so she won't appear.

Jackson Collins
Jackson Collins

Well, I guess Iris was always more apart of Jurgen's harem then Theo's.

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

I will
for her

Anthony Butler
Anthony Butler

not a single Theo vote

Landon Wood
Landon Wood

One thing i really like about TDA is that everyone gets that piece of action that i really wanted for a muv luv game....the frogs being shit on the 2nd game was shit but at least there is enough BETA ass kicking

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

not a single person surprised

David Cooper
David Cooper

Someone already voted for him

Angel Bell
Angel Bell

Lise please.

Leo Garcia
Leo Garcia

She can't help it doesn't she?

Dominic Long
Dominic Long

Love is crazy

Mason Parker
Mason Parker

Your filename forgot the asshole part.

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

dead
more like unconfirmed

even mana and the likes were M.I.A

Brayden Nelson
Brayden Nelson

Even if she wasn't there's no way she or anyone else would appear in TDA. TE is the least liked portion of the franchise.

Caleb Ramirez
Caleb Ramirez

That would be unfair to all the other people...

I mean, Inghild is practically also like Pham. Voting for Pham would still be unfair.

;_;

Ian Cruz
Ian Cruz

Negro, stand up for your waifu
Besides somebody already voted for her why don't you be like him

Kevin Russell
Kevin Russell

Posting best girls.

Isaac Barnes
Isaac Barnes

Sure

Isaiah Mitchell
Isaiah Mitchell

So how much weed was the guys behind muv luv smoking when they wrote the lunar war?

Michael Fisher
Michael Fisher

Wrong

Robert Watson
Robert Watson

Please

Joseph Fisher
Joseph Fisher

where did you get this?

Jaxson Gomez
Jaxson Gomez

Confirmed to not appear in TDA.

Jack Morales
Jack Morales

SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS. YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.

William Brown
William Brown

I still can't reconcile BiS Beatrix with the one who shoots into civilian crowds, tortures Iris to near death, callously brushes off collateral damage, tries to have Katia raped, and just acts like a total bitch to nearly everyone.

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

Actually it isn't.

Ethan Myers
Ethan Myers

With all the different parts compared to other TSFs and different design elements and philosophies, Takemikazuchi does feel like it's not an offshot of an American machine, and in no way does it belong to the US.

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

Inia, Yui and Cryska are my waifus.

Joseph Howard
Joseph Howard

I haven't read BiS, but from what I know of it, it would not be out of character for Beatrix, even back then, to not give a shit about anyone outside of a very small circle who she'd love with her life. It's like selective sociopathy.

Eli Allen
Eli Allen

multiple waifus

Joseph Taylor
Joseph Taylor

Cui better than all three

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

Well, as long as it's TDA then there should be more action with all the TSF ,especially since the IRG also started moving. Though it suck that there is still no anything news towards the TDA finale or plans for it which sucks

Kayden Powell
Kayden Powell

But if I am not one with the waifu, am I really standing up for her? I have to become one with her feelings and her ways if I am to truly have her as my waifu, no?

Maybe she escaped into space on the ship?

Besides how you're exaggerating and spinning things, it's a gradual degredation. A lifetime of hurt and being forced to destroy your humanity, one bloody sliver at a time.

Thomas Turner
Thomas Turner

Maybe she escaped into space on the ship?
Nope, see she's dead.

Angel Wood
Angel Wood

Yes, why are you doubting your feelings?

Zachary Gonzalez
Zachary Gonzalez

Twelve kiloJoints.

Easton Smith
Easton Smith

Yeah he became a bit of an asshole from his experiences, but she was pretty warped by the end too. Besides you have to understand, he's not just an asshole, he's HER asshole. She's "Ride until you die" to the bone.

Asher Martinez
Asher Martinez

Always the bride's maid, never the bride.

You will never take Iris' virginity after getting her drunk at her adult neice's wedding

Jaxson Campbell
Jaxson Campbell

Amazing! Glad she died a slow painful death.

Justin Myers
Justin Myers

Did Beatrix die a virgin like Iris?

Oliver Gray
Oliver Gray

It's a ruse

Ah, but we can't prolong her suffering now. Which is a shame.

Your loyalty and understanding is adorable.

adult niece's wedding
Wew, suffering.

Matthew Butler
Matthew Butler

adult niece's wedding

Her fifth or sixth niece at that.

Jace Scott
Jace Scott

I love Iris!

Brayden Clark
Brayden Clark

Alternative universe Gretel as student council enforcer when?

Colton Phillips
Colton Phillips

fifth or sixth niece

Dang. Didn't know Beatrix would be the type to be barefoot and pregnant.

Owen Campbell
Owen Campbell

Well, she was student council president back when she was in highschool (and Martin was a troublemaker she fell in love with), and she'll probably be one again in Extra.

Austin Sullivan
Austin Sullivan

It has:

Arms
Legs
Jump Units

And uses all the same weapons. The geology is

F-4 -> F-4J
F-4 -> F-15
F-15 -> F-15J
F-4J & F-15J -> Type-94
Type-94 -> Type-00

Japan built it entirely with domestic components, but the only ideas they introduced were borrowed from the Third Reich.

Basically, the TSA line introduces new ideas, and maybe the Active Eagle.

Grayson Adams
Grayson Adams

You forgot to add Sylwia not that anyone would've voted for her anyways.

Jaxson Gonzalez
Jaxson Gonzalez

Official SM Nationality Ranking Reminder (best to worst):

1 - Chinese
2 - Japanese
3 - Euros
4 - Americans
5 - Brazilians

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

Someday

Blake Collins
Blake Collins

This is your daily reminder that his is the a picture of the part where she was shot in TE. The bullet struck her father's pocketwatch which, as a memento from the time he invented giant swords, was made from the same high-strength composite and made the hit survivable.

So this was not, in fact Unlimited/TDA, and the event in question has been resolved.

Asher Bennett
Asher Bennett

that big pool of blood
survivable

Dominic Flores
Dominic Flores

Theo penetrated her. She's not coming out of this one.

Austin Thomas
Austin Thomas

Well, she didn't die, so that would appear to be the case.

Levi Ramirez
Levi Ramirez

picture of the part where she was shot in TE.
Bullshit. Bitch is dead.

Lucas Lopez
Lucas Lopez

She did die.

Kevin Murphy
Kevin Murphy

she didn't die
And you would be wrong.

Oliver Edwards
Oliver Edwards

How many girls has Theo forcibly entered?

Brayden Clark
Brayden Clark

Dailey reminder that you're full of shit and the bitch is dead.

Thomas Allen
Thomas Allen

Official

no spoilers

I am not doubting my feelings. It's because I feel so many people were good, and so many people struggled against such insurmountable odds, that it's hard to say just one person each is best, you know?

I admire many of them, most of them. They lived, they survived, and I want to give so many of them a hug when they come to the other side.

Isaiah Ortiz
Isaiah Ortiz

It was the Russians.

Caleb Parker
Caleb Parker

Beatrix takes her role as raising the next generation of BETA killers very seriously and she just likes having Jurgen's thick aryan manhood stirring her insides up.

Liam Butler
Liam Butler

Yeah, it was Sandek because he didn't want Yui interfering with his plans with Cryska. Sandek, now that guy was a villain worthy of ML. Beatrix and Axmann don't hold a candle to him.

Official
Are you agreeing, or
implying?

Lincoln Lopez
Lincoln Lopez

It's not a spoiler, it's lies.
Yui dies a slow painful death alone with no one giving a shit about her.

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

Good, glad that bitch got what she deserved.

Levi Howard
Levi Howard

She is dead Jim
That's nice and all but you must make a choice
For me Gretel a best

Cooper Price
Cooper Price

They'd make a pretty attractive couple.

Brandon Foster
Brandon Foster

So losing his waifu made Theo a delusional madman 18 years later

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

It's not like he's the first.

John Bailey
John Bailey

STANDING

Kevin Brooks
Kevin Brooks

ON THE EDGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAp5gAYDUQ

Michael Anderson
Michael Anderson

Why does she have such a lust for revenge?

Carter Parker
Carter Parker

tries to have Katia raped

WAT

Angel Stewart
Angel Stewart

her adult niece's

She has a niece?

Gavin Walker
Gavin Walker

I love muh commissar

Aaron Scott
Aaron Scott

So did Theo really become The Master in TE?

Brandon Robinson
Brandon Robinson

No

Elijah James
Elijah James

Yes

Lucas Cook
Lucas Cook

Stasi, wanted her to suffer, you know the drill.

Nolan James
Nolan James

Yes

Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

Best girl.

Luis Peterson
Luis Peterson

Best boy.

Austin Martinez
Austin Martinez

Maybe.

Chase Reyes
Chase Reyes

I don't know?

Jonathan Jackson
Jonathan Jackson

chewie

Justin Gray
Justin Gray

Yuuko

John Miller
John Miller

chaotic good
You're really lucky the MfS isn't around anymore

Colton Hernandez
Colton Hernandez

I'd say Axmann is the NE; he has zero morality or loyalty to anyone except himself, is just fine with a strict totalitarian power structure or a shifting battlefield. The difference in order means nothing to him.

Lise, on the other hand, seems to fit CE alright.

Luis Baker
Luis Baker

I'd prefer to wait to read the VN and LN in their entireties before making such a sweeping generalization.

Nathaniel Mitchell
Nathaniel Mitchell

Katia is chaotic good. Remember when Sylwia had to beat the crap out of her to get her to shut up?

Leo Wright
Leo Wright

TE
doing anything good
Pick one

Ryder Gray
Ryder Gray

Where is Walther (Shiny Chrome) on this chart?

Ryder Powell
Ryder Powell

I remember one of the translated passages saying that Axmann believed that people "should cast off the chains of their morality" so that they may be free. In fact, that's one of the reasons why he had Lise clobber the baby was to unfetter her. That seems pretty chaotic to me.

Same place as Pham.

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

I WILL TRY TO FIND MY PROMISE DAYS

James Carter
James Carter

They really turned Walter into a chump in the anime. Guy is nowhere near the manly, yet compassionate badass he is in the LN.

Christian Cooper
Christian Cooper

I remember one of the translated passages saying that Axmann believed that people "should cast off the chains of their morality" so that they may be free.

Yeah, that's Neutral Evil; it's about me, but without the capacious or impulsive nature of Chaotic Evil. He's willing to do anything, work with anyone, to serve his interests.

In short, Chaotic Evil is dangerous because you can't say what it will do. Neutral Evil is dangerous because you can't cay what it wouldn't do - which includes a lot of things that a Chaotic Evil character wouldn't or couldn't do.

Jason Johnson
Jason Johnson

I watched Schwarz last month. Sell me on watching Total Eclipse.

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

He had the misfortune to be neither female nor the main character.

His Wyrd was tragedy.

Justin Jackson
Justin Jackson

Well, what did you think of SM? Depending on why you disliked it (because mechs, for example), you simply may not like TE.

Jack Rodriguez
Jack Rodriguez

Chainaxe
Angry Marine

Where's the Power Bat?

Joseph Bennett
Joseph Bennett

Nah, Schwarzesmarken has some of the most morally unambiguous characters and situations in all of ML. There is nothing bad about Katia, and every single action Beatrix or Axmann takes must be evil. It's why some people attacked it for reading like bad, childish fanfiction when compared to any of Kouki's material, where even Yuuko and Sagiri were portrayed sympathetically.

Juan Reed
Juan Reed

I'll try to keep it brief.

Pros:
god tier OST
story was bretty ok
like the concept of total war, enjoyed Sidonia no kishi for same reason

Cons
sometimes the writers just hit the show with a stupid stick (shootout in the park comes to mind)
show had less of a budget than a Mcdonalds dollar menu
excessive/poorly done CGI on beta battles

Brayden Roberts
Brayden Roberts

The hand not holding the Chainaxe serves as a Power Fist.

Also, like how some Japanese TSFs are equipped with Edged Armor, the F-4F(U) is equipped with state-of-the-art Bludgeon Armor; each piece serves as a blunt weapon in extremely close-quarters combat.

It may have also been fitted with the A-10's Javelin CIDS for extra MAXIMUM FUCK capacity.

Brayden Powell
Brayden Powell

sometimes the writers just hit the show with a stupid stick

Welcome to most of Total Eclipse.

mfw

Anthony Gutierrez
Anthony Gutierrez

It's OK if you have absolutely nothing better to do with eight hours of your life. Nathalie is fairly cute and Grandpa Bridges was right about everything.

This is the only TE image I can find on my phone. It seems to Sum up the viewing experience well enough.

Brody Thomas
Brody Thomas

Well TE has the same cons plus harem shenanigans, an inferior soundtrack and is about test pilots not frontline soldiers, so no total war. Its war segments are good though. If you really enjoyed the setting, you should try it, but don't use the 3 episode rule, since the first two will give you a very wrong idea about what the show is about.

John Campbell
John Campbell

This right here is why the RLF will always be more believable villains than the stasi.

Connor Reed
Connor Reed

one of my various screenies from Schwarz.

so... it doesnt... get better? I may just do myself a favor and dodge it then.

sounds a bit similar to Aldnoah.zero's premise.

I absolutely despised that show.

Andrew Flores
Andrew Flores

an inferior soundtrack
hol the fuck up
the soundtrack was one of the only good parts about it.

Nathaniel Carter
Nathaniel Carter

I only made it to episode 6 before me and my friend had enough.

It's still worse than SM's soundtrack. Literally the one good thing about TE is better in SM.

Joshua Phillips
Joshua Phillips

Similar to Aldnoah? Nah, but the changes in tone from the "War" episodes to the "Training" and "SoL" episodes is too great and hurts the show.

I said inferior, not bad.

Jayden Howard
Jayden Howard

I guess I'll slap it in the backlog. Probably get to it some time in August then.

Mason Gutierrez
Mason Gutierrez

TE OP>Schwarzemarken OP

Hunter Martinez
Hunter Martinez

That's the ONE better song by virtue of ear worm status.

Josiah Lee
Josiah Lee

Only by Schwarzemarken's OP being the most blandest piece of shit i've had the displeasure of listening too.

Xavier King
Xavier King

TE > Schwarzemarken in general. It had it's fair share of flaws, but it wasn't dependent on blatant stupidity to make the plot function and maximum edge for appeal.

Noah Bennett
Noah Bennett

I can't emphasize how wrong this is. But it is hard to say.

Implying

And yes, they are cute.

Maybe. We still don't know for sure.

It's actually really nice, trust me. Feels, manliness, conspiracy, happiness, waifus, music, it has it all in plenty. A lot of people dislike it for some reasons, probably because they thrive off of edge.

More than that, it's ED is elder god tier.

It's fucking beautiful, I actually cried a bit when I listened to it.

I made my choice long ago friend. I love as many as I could. It would hurt me to vote for one.

Love, understanding, caring - that is something that you can endlessly give away, and only end up richer. I prefer that path. The heart, the soul, that is the true measure of Man!

Alexander Campbell
Alexander Campbell

The best show would have been something in-between the two. Something that was paced to have highs and lows, happy points and sad points and genuine human moments along with depictions of horror.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

I actually really liked the test pilot and experimental prototype setting. Reminded me of Macross Plus and all those old videos about the real life ATF program.
And Yuuya was a cool MC.

Charles King
Charles King

Phamfags really are like Pham herself.

Henry Harris
Henry Harris

TE has a shorter shoestring budget compared to SM. I don't really adore SM or TE as much as the original trilogy. The characters aren't as compelling and I felt it didn't feel Muv Luv enough for me. Now with TE it's decent. If you want TSFs killing BETA go right ahead and watch it. It's also a harem. Soundtrack is OK it's nothing worth writing home about. Maybe besides that one insert song that I forgot when it played. Still though none of the songs come close to Tsubasa or Carry On.

Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

didn't feel Muv Luv enough

It was a story about the BETA War. Of course it didn't feel like the OT.

Angel Walker
Angel Walker

Something about me just feels worried about Phamfags. It's like...they're too kind, you know?

Maybe it's just paranoia, or a sign of our cynical times, but what dirty secrets, what monsters are they hiding? Or even not that, but what unbidden, unspoken desires are they hiding? For that matter, what is Pham herself hiding?

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

tfw no Yugoslavia front VN
no MiG-21s flying from underground aerodromes

Colton Myers
Colton Myers

The worst thing about it was the wasted potential. It could have been amazing and done something great and completely different with the setting; it was merely good.

The first step would be to, as much as possible, forget the Original Trilogy. Not because it was bad, but because you're not writing a personal tragedy. We're aiming for something a bit... bigger. Alternative was a story about a boy. This is a story about a war.

Episode 1 goes entirely. If the Invasion Of Japan is used as the opening, it has to be restructured entirely to introduce a significant fraction of the entire cast, maybe over a longer span of time. The whole point of this sort of thing is that the world is too big for one character to monopolize the first two episodes. We can bump Yuuya's age up a little to justify having him in a frontline Tactical Armor unit, and then basically remove the whole racial tension thing, except maybe in Japan, with Japaneses. Because it really ruined the first third of the show.

Then, we shift to (or open at) The Prominence Project. The fitting thing happens, but from the beginning the focus of it is that the Scarlet Twins are dangerously close to stating and Actual Shooting War. This is of greatest concern to the Soviet officers we see, as they can't afford for things to escalate that far; they'd have to back down, and that would kill the effectiveness of their saber-rattling.

Yuuya breaks into the cockpit and hijacks the plane, averting the crisis, and lands. He is then given his mission.

He will test-pilot the Joint Strike Surface Fighter. Somehow, he is expected to help make this insane kitbash of half a dozen combat doctrines and mission profiles into something that can do some real good. For a reasonable cost.

He also meets the head of the XFJ project the hanger over. She's kind of a bitch, but he expected nothing less from Japan.

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

I dont understand why they call the soviet TSF Mig-21.

The Mig-21 is from 1959 so why give a giant robot the same name you have for a jet?

Why even give them jet names when they are kinda far away from the jets in design, performance and weapons.

Joseph Parker
Joseph Parker

I think you're missing the point.

John Jackson
John Jackson

the racis stuff

It did get grating at times, but to be honest, it DOES figure into Yuuya's background quite a bit. It's just it's approached with about as much tact as you'd expect from Japan.

I think someone here mentioned it's more a sort of narrative of/for Hapas than the mixed-race narrative of an American child.

That Yuuya didn't even really make it known he was Southern, let alone American but by crude sort of stereotypes didn't really help matters. And them trying to make excuses for Yui's behavior even when it was extremely crude and unbecoming didn't help matters.

That's before we get into apparently racial differences of designing a TSF (and digging up that old Westerners are monkeys and too crude to handle finesse Nippon ways). But that's another story for another day.

Ayden Bennett
Ayden Bennett

What point?

That it is somehow okay to have two different aerial vehicles with the same name?

Chase Smith
Chase Smith

I want to see Kurogane get bullied by female Imperial Royal Guards for not being of noble blood. And then him raping all of them with his TSF!

Christopher Barnes
Christopher Barnes

That's before we get into apparently racial differences of designing a TSF (and digging up that old Westerners are monkeys and too crude to handle finesse Nippon ways). But that's another story for another day.

We work that in, though. Yuuya's childhood suffering was more passive than active. Something was always missing other than just his father, and Yuuya's attitude towards Japan is more acerbic skepticism than anger. His opinions of Japanese TSFs are pre-existing and based on much more rational criticisms of their design objectives and combat doctrine.

On the other hand, his contempt for the Japanese Kinda-Sorta Democratic Republic is much more... intense. Particularly, the IRG, which embodies all the low points of Japanese military science. Therefore, his first conversation with Yui goes adequately, until he figures out that she's IRG rather than IJA.

He says that design is a job for professional soldiers, that an overprivileged noblewoman with no idea how a real war works has no place in it, and that a system of nepotism which puts her in charge is begging for disaster.

She receives this as well as could be expected.

The irony is that while she has more practical experience (Here, Yuuya has some, maybe), that wasn't what he was referring to, and he outclasses her on subjects like logistics, support structures, fire support, operational demands, and so forth. The key is that both of them were making rational arguments, but their radically different starting positions and then rapidly escalating personal dislike made an actual discussion impossible.

Asher Perez
Asher Perez

I could get behind that.

Christian Williams
Christian Williams

Well everyone. I think it's time I got off the ride. Here's my stop. May we all meet again somewhere without dead waifus.

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

assuming he can even get it up for anyone

This IS max suffering Takeru we're talking about.

Even if it did get up, they could literally be riding him and he'd still be stone cold.

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

You make good points comrade.

I guess it's really hard to see that though, considering how they set up the Yui vs Yuuya dynamic. It's like they want you to go in feeling sorry for Yui, and then making you feel sorry for Yuuya, but of course the former should always outweigh the latter. And it's all couched in subtext, and considering ML itself (not characters in universe, but the actual tone) doesn't really ever go out of their way to point out how stupid the Imperial Guard is, all Yuuya's criticism falls flat.

It's hard to describe really, the emotional disconnect I feel vs what they're trying to get me to feel. Combine that with the personal narrative that doesn't fit Yuuya, but more like one written outside of his perspective, and you just get this mess.

I love TE, it's just some things really fall flat. The fact his dad didn't actually abandon him just makes him look like even more of a jerk, and you just get this impression he's an arrogant brat who doesn't understand others.

James Wood
James Wood

Watch it for the Chobi and her italian stallion.
Also best girl Sandek.

Carter Diaz
Carter Diaz

design is a job for professional soldiers

SM threads never fail to amuse.

Asher Gonzalez
Asher Gonzalez

She's not totally chobi though...

Juan Wood
Juan Wood

It's the food, gets everyone "ready" for any extensive exercise, if you know what I mean.

Pic related, beachballs that don't sag. Drugs sure are amazing.

Jose Williams
Jose Williams

In your estimation, how right was Cui?

Parker Thompson
Parker Thompson

implying they aren't went for the hero and lone survivor of operation 21 and hero of JFK
Heck they can't talk shit to him and even let him fucking led them

if Kuroganae wasn't fucking edgy then he he probably be swimming in some imperial guard pussies

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

d&d alignments

Jaxon Clark
Jaxon Clark

I'd get Stella ready for a repopulation initiative

Austin Gonzalez
Austin Gonzalez

I want to give Katia to Axmann!

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

implying that he hasn't made himself a new harem without noticing.

Kevin Sanchez
Kevin Sanchez

How do you have sex with Lise without her getting PTSD flashbacks?

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

You better have some balls and stand up for your waifu
Unless that you are a profligate haremfag

Suffering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFtWZDDHlDw

implying that you can leave

Lincoln Scott
Lincoln Scott

I want to draw dicks on her glasses when she falls asleep.

Levi Miller
Levi Miller

Are you 12?

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

I just can't think of a good way to bully her that wouldn't be punishable by death.

Jaxson Johnson
Jaxson Johnson

messing with her glasses
not a death sentence

Tyler Reed
Tyler Reed

not surprising when he is part of the homobros trio

Camden Moore
Camden Moore

He can't get any. They are all noburu samurai, they're already pre-pledged to other nobility.

Cooper James
Cooper James

Yui's mother is hot

Oliver Williams
Oliver Williams

Of course he wont after all he belong to BETAs

Jaxon Nguyen
Jaxon Nguyen

Why is Katia so not cute?

Christopher Gomez
Christopher Gomez

How can one woman be so amazing?

She's only got eyes for one man, bub.

Jaxson Carter
Jaxson Carter

bub
Is Tama no longer you're waifu, Pierce?

Brandon Jackson
Brandon Jackson

Who?

Luke Morales
Luke Morales

The most notorious Tamafag on Sup Forums and /m/ and a tripfag.

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

literally with the 2cool4u club
how one thee has fallen?

Ayden Lee
Ayden Lee

Well since you had to tell me who that was, that kinda rules it out, don't it?

Too bubbly, too punchable.

Cameron Cox
Cameron Cox

Well since you had to tell me who that was, that kinda rules it out, don't it?
the only thing it rules is that you're new

Lucas Cook
Lucas Cook

too punchable
That's Irisdina. I can't look at her without wanting to kick her teeth out.

Sebastian Cox
Sebastian Cox

LeyMey never delivered that Latrova doujin he promised

James Wood
James Wood

Irisdina is for choking sex at most

Luke Peterson
Luke Peterson

Even in this picture, the first thing I notice is a smug grin I would love to wipe out with my fist

Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

cant blame him, after all i heard he can't draw anymore

Jack Harris
Jack Harris

Genya could be in this thread right now
Draw Latrova, dude.

Christian Brown
Christian Brown

Yui was right!

Asher Myers
Asher Myers

No, draw Milf Kiirke!

Or Milf Anette. Well, we have one sketch of Milf Anette somewhere, but that's about it I think.

Ryan Green
Ryan Green

About what?

Jason Hughes
Jason Hughes

How do you make Gretel cry?

Jordan Evans
Jordan Evans

Draw Gretel please

Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

Everything

Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

She's actually pretty much always wrong, and the only thing that really matters to her is her pride, and how effectively she can stroke her ego and then justify it by something else. Her platitudes are just meaningless bullshit.

Yes. Very ironic, but them's the brass tacks.

Carter Barnes
Carter Barnes

No one wants to see stupid shits.

Cooper Fisher
Cooper Fisher

About been worst girl and a shit

Andrew Stewart
Andrew Stewart

Don't insult other girls with my waifu, please.

Luis Wilson
Luis Wilson

She's actually usually right. Pride is important to her, her own as well as pride for her family and the military, but it does push her to succeed. She can be a bit of a hard ass about it but she was usually in the right.

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

Wrong and wrong

Tyler Morales
Tyler Morales

But I want to and she is not stupid

Daniel Morris
Daniel Morris

I'll love Yui forever

Carson Rodriguez
Carson Rodriguez

I want to mess up her collar.

Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

You should fix your [uniform] collar. If your uniform is in dissaray then your heart will be in dissaray as well.

Best girl

Aiden Thomas
Aiden Thomas

hurr durr we must get hit by the artillery barrage for the good of the Party
if you don't follow my brainlessness ideas, I'll have the knockout serum in your fortified suit inject and slave your TSF

Literally stupidest, most deserving to die character in SM. The mere fact she lives through it all is what truly makes SM horror.

Hudson Sanders
Hudson Sanders

Literally ignoring her character development

also, stay salty

PS: None of the girls deserved to die

Dominic Rogers
Dominic Rogers

WHOREisdina did.
Axmann did literally nothing wrong.

Cameron Hernandez
Cameron Hernandez

Is it time?

Logan Allen
Logan Allen

Lise deserves a beating.

Isaac Kelly
Isaac Kelly

Did we dodge a bullet when they canned the original adaptation or did we lose all chances of ever seeing the Trilogy animated?

Adam Scott
Adam Scott

dodge the bullet
i dont think the trilogy will really work as an anime unless you give it 100+ episodes

Hudson Sanders
Hudson Sanders

Yeah, it's time

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv262190855

Jack Baker
Jack Baker

I voted for 'murica's big titties. Waiting for Lise :O.

Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

Lise up

Gabriel Carter
Gabriel Carter

Done!

Cameron Lewis
Cameron Lewis

Stella and Lise on the same voting block

It's like they want me to suffer.

Joshua Walker
Joshua Walker

Do people even vote for the three idiots?

Xavier Murphy
Xavier Murphy

The ride never end!

Aaron Roberts
Aaron Roberts

Voted Yuuko.

Jayden Hall
Jayden Hall

Lise won her poll.

Julian Young
Julian Young

Well, who didn't see this coming?

Adrian Young
Adrian Young

Stella

Well shit, sorry Lise.

David Gutierrez
David Gutierrez

Our girl's winning!

Is the vote page only on Nico? I looked on their Twitter, not showing it.

I don't have a Nico ;_;

Charles Murphy
Charles Murphy

It's not like she needed the votes.

They'll be runoffs next week. They always pick the top three, of which it'll probably be Yuuko, Lise, and Stella or Sharon.

Henry Harris
Henry Harris

who is the qt on the right

Ian Cruz
Ian Cruz

just give me strike frontier you fucks
:_:

Adrian Sullivan
Adrian Sullivan

Is the vote page only on Nico?
Yes. And it's a barrage of votes and you only have a minute long window to cast it.

Xavier Sullivan
Xavier Sullivan

All those Yuuko votes.

Haters BTFO!

Gabriel Ross
Gabriel Ross

They're working on it.

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

thats good to hear

Gavin Parker
Gavin Parker

I don't have a Nico ;_;
Why don't you just make an account then? They're free unless you go premium.

Josiah Gomez
Josiah Gomez

Thank you.

Maybe one day, Koukhi will notice us here.

;_;

Jackson Jenkins
Jackson Jenkins

Axmann x Lise OTP

Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

I missed the window to vote, but I'm so proud for her

Michael Wood
Michael Wood

Shine on

Alexander Williams
Alexander Williams

Somewhere between utterly and completely.

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

On, you can't. I think that's part of the appeal.

Charles Bennett
Charles Bennett

the only thing that really matters to her is her pride

IRG in a nutshell.

Daniel Mitchell
Daniel Mitchell

Sounds like fun. I'll fill some tube socks with onions.

Luis Rivera
Luis Rivera

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv262190855

Stella >>> Lise

Jaxson Nguyen
Jaxson Nguyen

Remove Mary, Remove Sue.

Sane plans only.

Zachary Flores
Zachary Flores

implying thinking sane will get you anywhere
Eccentric thinking with craziest idea all the way

fight the insanity with insanity all the way

Jeremiah Morales
Jeremiah Morales

B-but Lise won against Stella.

Hunter Gomez
Hunter Gomez

Well, at leas the Yuuko expy of SM got what she deserved in the end.

David Russell
David Russell

Eccentric thinking with craziest idea all the way

See, the thing is, that's exactly the opposite of the scientific approach.

But then, Yuuko never WAS a scientist.

fight the insanity with insanity all the way

I think this sums it up pretty well:

I thought you might enjoy the challenge. Find out if you're smarter than the person I'm looking for.
Then, by implication, you think you're smarter than I am, since it was you who caught me.
No, I know I'm not smarter than you.
Then how did you catch me?
You had... disadvantages.
What disadvantages?
You're insane.

Jeremiah Lee
Jeremiah Lee

"This is an activity best described as cuddlefucking, because for Lise, you can't have the latter without the former."
"The danger is always that she'll get scared, in which case her eyes glass over and she goes totally unresponsive and limp. The first time that happened, incidentally, the first and last time you tried spanking her, you were pretty sure she was dying. It was absolutely terrifying. She also prefers to be able to see your face at all times, which has necessitated the installation of large mirrors on the ceiling, closet doors, and wall at the foot of the bed."

That was a well done part of the inter dimensional mattress story

Cooper Diaz
Cooper Diaz

That means she got screentime and had less competition, not that she comes even close to matching Stella.

Jordan Mitchell
Jordan Mitchell

Any we can hope that Justice was served after the interrogation at the end of Alternative.

Juan Rivera
Juan Rivera

Calling it, it'll be Lise, Yuuko, and Stella.

Tyler Richardson
Tyler Richardson

takeru was fucking right when he didn't put a bullet into head. Better let yuuko suffer more...though i doubt that they are gonna make the inventor of XM3 and the head of the alt iv who literally have the valkyrie data die like that.

but who really knew?

Jaxon Price
Jaxon Price

Well, she almost certainly doesn't have the only copy of the Valk Data. I was never really sure exactly where it came from, but my assumption would be at least in the flight recorders of the Escape Shuttle on the XG-70, which would probably have been recovered by the Navy or the U.N. or U.S. Space Forces*. Given that they were not under her control and that her moment in the sun was over with Alt IV being over and Ouka being an absolute bloodbath even if it was technically a victory, it seems unlikely that she would have been able to move fast enough to monopolize it**.

inventor of XM3

Give it some time. Once people start snapping their legs off with it, the appeal might diminish.

Grayson Kelly
Grayson Kelly

This hurts you, Gretel.

Xavier Morales
Xavier Morales

No

Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks

Your attacks are primitive.

Levi Lewis
Levi Lewis

4 × 533 mm (21.0 in) and 2 × 650 mm (26 in) torpedo tubes in bow
28 × 533 mm and 650 mm weapons, including Tsakra (SS-N-15 Starfish) anti-submarine missiles with 15 kt nuclear warheads and Vodopad/Veder (SS-N-16 Stallion) and anti-submarine missiles with 200 kt nuclear warhead or Type 40 anti-submarine torpedo or 32 ground mines
24 × P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) cruise missiles with 750 kilograms (1,650 lb) HE or 500 kt nuclear warheads

Muh underwater shotgun

Josiah Cox
Josiah Cox

128 Mk. 41 VLS
RIM-161 SM-3
x4 RIM-162 ESS

You cannot sustain your attack.

Brandon Rogers
Brandon Rogers

But that's thre point, the Oscar II subs they just need to unload their payload and leave

Kevin Adams
Kevin Adams

but my assumption would be at least in the flight recorders of the Escape Shuttle on the XG-70

that reminds me if takeru vanished from existence then shouldn't all the data that he made also vanished too?

Give it some time. Once people start snapping their legs off with it, the appeal might diminish.
i don't think so since TSFIA seems to hints that everyone loves the new OS mainly because of the improvement in movements which everyone approve except the poor mechanics

Robert Martin
Robert Martin

What kind of tablet is that? I've always wondered.

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

TSFIA

Right. And those two probably killed any chance for something good set after Ouka.

Alexander Garcia
Alexander Garcia

How so?

Logan Reyes
Logan Reyes

Didn't one of the Oscars blow itself up at some point?

Christopher Brown
Christopher Brown

You are thinking about the Kursk, which it sank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RAzI7UEkhE

William King
William King

XM3, for one. It needs to die, preferably in fire.

Beyond that, they seem to have sort of rendered the whole conflict kind of trivial - Sledgehammer was basically a brute-force frontal assault, but with the Valkyrie data and XM3 making that work.

Then they'd have to explain how the Valkyrie data works at all when the unpredictability was made out to be such a big deal. Apparently, it predicts the BETA... somehow.

That's the one.

Christian Watson
Christian Watson

that reminds me if takeru vanished from existence then shouldn't all the data that he made also vanished too?
No.just the memories of him will be vanish, it doesn't mean that all the things he used would vanish to

Matthew Myers
Matthew Myers

But why would data stored in a person be affected, but not data stored in a computer?

Matthew Jenkins
Matthew Jenkins

As far as I understood it, the Valkyrie data was just a readout of what the superior knew. Which was how all the hives were laid out, numbers of BETA, orders to be given, etc. The real advantage it gave them was that they now knew what to expect in every hive or at least how all hives were as of 01/01/2002, instead of having to make projections based on the Volk data. I could be remembering wrong though.

Christian Rivera
Christian Rivera

XM3, for one. It needs to die, preferably in fire.
why? it's just an OS that makes the pilot do further movements and cancel the unnecessary auto lock that happens making them do more thing on that interval?

Though it does batter the fuck out of the TSF,

Sebastian Foster
Sebastian Foster

Katia. More like FATia, amirite?

Ian Green
Ian Green

How would they have pulled an upload from the Superior, though, and why would that information (other than maybe the layouts) be any good a year later? It's not like the BETA didn't do shit for decades without the Superior.

No, apparently it's like a text-predictive typing system. For combat. That is also a learning computer.

From a comp-sci perspective, the absurdity of it is off the charts.

Nicholas Martinez
Nicholas Martinez

Don't cross that line, or else you're in for a world of Zersetzung

Chase Watson
Chase Watson

ML stasi
being sophisticated and intelligent enough for Zersetzung

Bentley Roberts
Bentley Roberts

Reading BETA minds was the whole purpose of the 00Unit, maybe it read the Superiors mind during their conversation or something. Also, you do remember that all hive infiltration training is based on the Volk data, having 20 years newer data, on all hives, not only on Minsk, is a huge improvement. Though I agree that the longer they wait, the less help that data is going to be, but its better than nothing and remember now they know about the worms.

Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

and why would that information (other than maybe the layouts) be any good a year later?
Because it's better than the Volks Data and hundreds better to train and use on hive training simulations

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

Anyone else feel that it's bizarre that Axmann was in the end, the best developed, most complex, and most grounded villain in the anime?

Grayson Morales
Grayson Morales

Surface 3

Joshua Miller
Joshua Miller

villain

Nolan Richardson
Nolan Richardson

Watanabe felt he already was evil enough and didn't chop his personality up like he did with Lise and Beatrix.

Tyler Smith
Tyler Smith

Ketchup is simply based. I want to be friends with him.

Nolan King
Nolan King

But Axmann is way more of a dick in the VN than in the anime. They removed GUN and how terrified Gretel and Iris were of him (compared to Beatrix, who they both mouth off too).

James Collins
James Collins

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that the Volk Data, at least in its usable current form, is a composite of records of all Hive Infiltration attempts thus far. Minisk Hive was only a Phase II when they attacked it and that was a long time ago, so just the orginal records wouldn't be all that useful.

They keep the name in honor of the original Volk Division, because they were the first.

The problem with Hive Assaults is training in the same way the problem with assaulting the trenches at the Somme was training.

Brayden Thomas
Brayden Thomas

Burger pls go

Michael Adams
Michael Adams

From a comp-sci perspective, the absurdity of it is off the charts.

Knowing Yuuko, it's probably one long method with a bunch of convoluted for-loops.

Of course, this is the best method of writing a program possible, and anyone who says otherwise is a deluded fool and an enemy of the human race.

David Reed
David Reed

I don't see how this is a counterpoint.

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

Suzy did literally nothing wrong

Gavin Taylor
Gavin Taylor

This is objectively true.

Kayden Bennett
Kayden Bennett

The problem with Hive Assaults is training in the same way the problem with assaulting the trenches at the Somme was training.
It still works better

after ouka they manage to succeed in capturing 2 hives which is a great improvement considering that they even can't barely win without using super weapons awhile ago. Sure it maybe just layouts and some technical data about how BETA moves on hives and might be useless someday but it still works

Josiah Hill
Josiah Hill

It's stupid that even with everything, the anime seems to take a harsher tone on Beatrix and Lise than Axmann. Axmann is an asshole, but he's still pragmatic, intelligent, likable in a strange way, and doesn't gloat over losing his men. His atrocities and vileness are usually just brought up matter-of-factly before being ignored, versus Lise or Beatrix who's negative traits are lingered on and reinforced in every scene. Axmann comes off as evil, but never over the top like everyone else.

Michael Myers
Michael Myers

great improvement

Right, and I'm saying that it doesn't make any sense if it isn't a hardware improvment, and thus it's hurting the anything that might be set after Ouka.

Nolan Collins
Nolan Collins

Thanks.

Jayden Martinez
Jayden Martinez

Personally, I think it trivializes Alternative by tacking on a bunch of random benefits after the fact.

Angel Richardson
Angel Richardson

I don't get this. Theo's torture, Suzy's scar, Lise's mindfuckery, Jurgen's execution and so forth are shown quickly and never brought up again. Him breaking Lise is particularly bad as you'd think Theo would've confronted Axmann over that shit. In some of these cases, the blame is shifted off of him and onto the stasi in general. Lise threw one line about becoming a dog for Axmann, before going right back into describing how Beatrix and the stasi forced her to kill hundred of refugees.

Ryan Ramirez
Ryan Ramirez

No, they're there. It's a matter of fact, and that's why he manages to avoid seeming a absurd as others.

Beatrix and the stasi forced her to kill hundred of refugees

Beatrix was in charge of boarder control, and she was working for Beatrix.

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

Great improvement? Yes?

But letting the BETAs learn human tactics? No, if they can create a thousand BETAs then what makes you think that they wont create another superior?

Tyler Ross
Tyler Ross

wont create another superior

They probably will, but I think more PCP Laser Forts would be a bigger concern. The Superior's strategic 'ability' seemed to be in the same vein as Lelouch.

Bentley Rogers
Bentley Rogers

Wasn't the focus of Lise's Requiem all on the fuckery Axmann did to her, like gangraping her, or baby smashing? The anime seems to shift the focus away from him and imply that he was only part of the process, when, from what I know of the VN, he was almost solely responsible for everything.

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

Beatrix was in charge of boarder control

No she wasn't, that was Axmann.

Isaac Jackson
Isaac Jackson

Right, but she was only with him for a few months before being transferred to Beatrix's command.

And most of the dissident killing would have happened on the clock, rather than as part of conditioning.

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

Isn't it implied, that only "landed" hives are capable of producing superiors? Because the 19 days reaction time was already there when it landed, but all other hives continued to depend on it for orders no matter how large they grew.

Cameron Cruz
Cameron Cruz

Who has more blood on their hands, Beatrix or Axmann?

Nathaniel Gomez
Nathaniel Gomez

Beatrix. She has like a Yuuko-tier kill count. Axmann doesn't hold a candle to her.

Ryan Peterson
Ryan Peterson

30 years to improve things is too short even then. Takeru lucked out by getting vanished and not having to deal with all that bullshit

Ian Adams
Ian Adams

I think we can all agree that Axmann really was the lesser evil all things considered.

Henry Williams
Henry Williams

Axmann has been on the job for a longer time, but Beatrix did fire into crowds of protesters during the rebellion. So before the Rebellion, probably Axmann, after it, without a doubt Beatrix.

Brandon James
Brandon James

Well, Kashgar had several years of lead on all the other Hives, and was also away from the front lines after a while, potentially allowing it to focus more resources on growth rather than combat. So it could have been a practical reason it was there rather than an absolute limit - I'm not sure what would make a landed Hive different from a normal one. After all, the regular Hives manufacture the landers.

If there's hope for the survival of the human race... The original proposal for Alt V in 1988 would probably be the best one.

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

It wouldn't of taken long for Beatrix to have surpassed Axmann's kill count. She probably killed more people before she made Captain than the rest of the stasi put together. I think the difference is is that Beatrix kills out of enjoyment versus Axmann who derives no real feeling one way or another.

Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

Well, if Axmann was able to spend moths overseeing the reeducation of one prisoner, he probably doesn't have as many operational responsibility as Beatrix, and thus wouldn't have the chance to get anywhere near her on kill count.

Plus, he was a lot better at the 'pragmatic' thing.

Jeremiah Davis
Jeremiah Davis

Others suffering is like a drug to Axmann, especialy if he is thr cause of it. Futhermore Lise was under Axmann'stumb for at least 1.5 years.

Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

Its unconfirmed if the things they all shoot into space are always landers. It could be their quota of G-elements. And the second oldest hive is only about a year younger, and Kashgar was near the frontlines until the late 80s.

No.

Beatrix kills out of enjoyment

Apart from this being exclusive to the anime, I doubt the Stasi would, even in the anime tolerate such a loose cannon. Starting to kill people without orders or approval of her superiors would have killed her career. And Axmann was always her superior.

Brandon Taylor
Brandon Taylor

like a drug

He doesn't really give that much of a shit, though

1.5 years

She was with Beatrix for too long to have been with Axmann for 18 months.

Wyatt Diaz
Wyatt Diaz

Well at his wiki page it is written that he sometimes go out of his way to hurt people even if that inder him. I don't think that it is equivalent of ''not giving a shit''.
He is an incredible piece of shit as a human being.

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

Its unconfirmed if the things they all shoot into space are always landers.

True, but it wouldn't really make sense for them to come from anywhere else (t. Pascal, I guess)

Starting to kill people without orders or approval of her superiors would have killed her career

But it wasn't aginst orders - she was on Grenztruppen duty a lot of the time.

Apart from this being exclusive to the anime

But she is both smug as shit and equally murderous in the VN. The anime may have just been more explicit.

Jaxon Hernandez
Jaxon Hernandez

The stasi in ML seem more like the Drow from DnD then a well written evil organization.

Andrew Edwards
Andrew Edwards

implying takeru wont get pulled back by yuuko again to be her pawn again

Ryan Moore
Ryan Moore

The anime may have just been more explicit.

mfw Martyrs does absolutely nothing to make Beatrix look less bad.

Isaac Sullivan
Isaac Sullivan

He did go after Jurgen supposedly over a petty little personality conflict.

Nathan Young
Nathan Young

Moderate rebels get out

Leo Ortiz
Leo Ortiz

equally murderous in the VN.

I can assure you that her body count in the first VN pales in comparison to what she kills in the first episode of the anime alone.

Grayson Moore
Grayson Moore

implying Yuuko would be in any position to do anything
implying Yuuko could survive that

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

But she is both smug as shit and equally murderous in the VN.

She doesn't do shit except threaten the 666th and hit on Theo in the VN. She actually even saves them in one scene. Axmann and his GUN is more hyped up as a douche.

Austin Gray
Austin Gray

Well Jürgen was a great man with a sense of morality. Axmann enjoy breaking people for the lulz (and people says he is less evil than Lise when he is the one who made her like that wtf ?)

Josiah Torres
Josiah Torres

gretel probably has higher kill count than ketchup and beato together murdering all those people that were aginst the party. she almost even killed katia if not for sylwias intervention. not to mention gretel enoys killing.

Jonathan Sanders
Jonathan Sanders

Oh, right. She never did anything not on screen. It isn't as if most antagonists do a lot out of the view of the main characters.

But we know what her job was, and we know who bad the RL Stasti were with boarder crossing, and here...

Liam Stewart
Liam Stewart

gretel is pretty shity person she is like hitler and stalin put together.

Gavin Thompson
Gavin Thompson

She's a political officer. It comes with the territory.

Carson White
Carson White

Get out.

Ryan Reyes
Ryan Reyes

What was Axmann's problem anyway?
Is he just a sociopathic asshole or there's more to him?

Ryan Wilson
Ryan Wilson

Are you practicing for when the VN is released on Steam?

Robert Cruz
Robert Cruz

she is still pretty evil and probably the worst charachter in SM

Colton James
Colton James

It's not what's there, it's what isn't. Specifically, the bit that lets you give a shit about certain things.

Cameron Gomez
Cameron Gomez

A single unit of border guards in ML will have less of a kill count than a RL border guards unit, seeing how utterly terrified everyone is of them.

Ayden Parker
Ayden Parker

He is a pragmatic sociopathic asshole who gets away with alot of shit. But he does have a great intellect.
The funniest thing is that he might be the true responsible of Jürgen demise and yet Iris and Bea are more obsessed about ruining one another than wanting to behead him.

Samuel Fisher
Samuel Fisher

Oh, so you think it wasn't like that in Real Life?

You think that the reign of terror wouldn't be a motive to get away along with a deterrent?

This is some next-generation IRG logic.

Easton Scott
Easton Scott

axmann isn't pragmatic he just wants to see world burn.

Juan Cooper
Juan Cooper

I think that he holds his life to dearly for that.

David Jones
David Jones

He wouldn't have lasted as long as he has if he wasn't pragmatic.

If that's actually the case, he's practical about it.

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

It's funny yuuko was saying all that shit about the secret of takeru and how she taking it to her grave but then in a interrogation happen and she keeps spouting about a nameless bratty hero and everyone who doesn't understand must be trees

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

Both of them wanted him dead, but they wanted each other dead as much as him, something which he could use against them.

Alexander Diaz
Alexander Diaz

Yuuko has no need for this thing called logic!

Luis Garcia
Luis Garcia

She is just full of herself and have an enormous ego.

Chase Johnson
Chase Johnson

Axmann wants to be free. To be free, you need power. Ergo, Axmann seeks power.

He's like the quintessential Sith. He would have done well in Star Wars.

Lincoln Williams
Lincoln Williams

he could use against them.
And he did a not so bad job.

David Rogers
David Rogers

Well he wants to ''break people free from their sense of morality''. He would have been quite the darkside users.

Hudson Williams
Hudson Williams

What happened to healanon?
He ascended to heaven with his waifu?
What happened to the other writefags?

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

I want to know too!

Jaxson Adams
Jaxson Adams

I want to bully Yui by taking her to the real world and showing her all the golf courses her family owns.

Dominic Brooks
Dominic Brooks

implying she wont summon kurogane
implying she wont be stab in the back and be told pshhhhhh nothing personnel

Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

What would Beatrix be like in SM if Jürgen was alive and well? Would she be anywhere near as ruthless with her Prince around? I mean, I could still see her executing people if she believed that it would help combat the BETA, but I don't know if her plans would have been as drastic.

Carson Jackson
Carson Jackson

Yandere tier

Hunter Ramirez
Hunter Ramirez

This . Jürgen would have probably made at least Colonel, so she would be either be his Yandere gf or wife by that point. I'm sure that if he minded her "tendencies" he would simply have her stay at home, pregnant.

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

Pretty much. She'd be like Lise if Lise was extremely intelligent and charismatic. I think she'd hide it way better though. Lise would run up and stab you if you threatened Theo; repeat the same with Jurgen and Beatrix would smile and nod, then three months later, you're life would suddenly take a turn downwards and you'd lose everything and everybody close to you in a random string of events.

Leo Foster
Leo Foster

More restrained because of Jurgen, and likely on better terms with Iris & co.

They'd probably be plotting a coup together yet disagree over the exact nature of the government that comes afterwards.

Leo Harris
Leo Harris

She'd probably be serving in the military too. She originally signed up with the NVA because she wanted to protect Jurgen. Not to mention that she's one of the best pilots in the DDR.

They'd probably publicly hate each other to throw off their enemies, while privately fucking each other's brains out.

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

I don't know if Jurgen would have necessarily disagreed with hunting down deserters like Iris, so their relationship would still be good.

Nathaniel Williams
Nathaniel Williams

More restrained because of Jurgen, and likely on better terms with Iris & co.

If Iris still sold out Jurgen, she would not have been, even if Jurgen managed to come out of the purge alright.

Robert Jones
Robert Jones

Almost anything is better than her canon relationship with Iris after '78. Jürgen would at least tell her to forgive and forget and calm down a bit.

Leo Thompson
Leo Thompson

Japanese TSf are the best.

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

Shiranui Phase 1 >> *

James Rogers
James Rogers

Those Shiranuis

The Valkyries at Cherwon?

Tyler Parker
Tyler Parker

Jürgen would at least tell her to forgive and forget and calm down a bit.

Let's be honest, she'd likely still be a bitch to Iris and the others. I could still see her dropping by to try to bully the 666th like she does in the VN, especially if she wants to keep her mask of being a good stasi. The difference would be that a lot of her threats would just be bluster and she'd never seriously pursue them. Still wouldn't be good for Theo's paranoia or the 666th's unit cohesion.

Luis Howard
Luis Howard

Lise would run up and stab you if you threatened Theo
Thats probably true

Levi King
Levi King

protect
that is something that takeru doesn't seem to understand or just not in his dictionary

Luke Fisher
Luke Fisher

trips of truth

He's at least better at it then fucking Theo.

Adrian Young
Adrian Young

Thats why I wrote "tell her". She would most likely keep messing with Iris and the 666th, but she would not dare do something that would piss her bf off.

Daniel Flores
Daniel Flores

Too bad Koto doesn't sell shield and gun alone, I would love to use those on the Mig-21.

Hunter Jenkins
Hunter Jenkins

I'm glad you liked that. I think Lise would have a lot of baggage to deal with, but if she found a partner she felt safe with who put a high value on her pleasure, she'd go wild.

Oliver Fisher
Oliver Fisher

I want to beat Beatrix!

Alexander Wright
Alexander Wright

Waifus are for lovin' not for domestic abuse

Jack Cook
Jack Cook

Hey, at least he tried a thousand loops even though in the end they all die anyway

Kayden Gomez
Kayden Gomez

OST pt. 2 is awesome

666. Kompanie

Jack Anderson
Jack Anderson

Damn Son. The 666th gets the 666.

Luke White
Luke White

Iris might be in on it, or she might not. There'd be some amusing reactions when Beatrix shows up after Operation Neptune to discuss the coup instead of arresting them. Lise would reveal that she was undercover and placed in the 666th to throw of suspicion. I wonder if Theo would forgive Lise in this parallel timeline though, as even if she was helping the 666th, she was still lying to him and serving with the stasi.

And I think Beatrix would do shit to piss Jurgen off, but not seriously endanger her relationship with him.

James Wilson
James Wilson

But they're so cute when they're helpless and in pain.

Hunter Cox
Hunter Cox

Uncanny resemblance.

Michael Hill
Michael Hill

Original or Type C?

Bentley Diaz
Bentley Diaz

Phase II is better.

Ayden Ortiz
Ayden Ortiz

they all die anyway
false. Every loop Kasumi would always survive

Jaxon Brown
Jaxon Brown

Theo might forgive her, but it wouldn't be an immediate "oh that's nice, dear"

He'd get really pissed and maybe throw a tantrum of some sort, then Pham and Katia would talk him down and make him accept her role in things.

Lise would be upset at getting rejected, so Theo would have to reach out to her and tell her he still loved her.

Of course it would be a Lise route, she's his OTP.

Aaron Martinez
Aaron Martinez

kurogane was too edgy

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

Theo pls go

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

Of course it would be a Lise route
Iris would be out of reach, especially with Jürgen still around.

Julian Harris
Julian Harris

Of course it is.

Ryan Kelly
Ryan Kelly

Its the colors of the IJA, why is this surprising?

Isaiah Cruz
Isaiah Cruz

Lise route on Martys get hype

Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

After overcoming his hatred of Iris for being a "stasi dog" I'm sure Theo would be more forgiving, especially if Lise just admitted that she was a spy before any damage was done. After all he vehemently defended her from Sylwia's suspicions. But that would raise alot of questions about how and why she ended up as a spy, things she really doesn't want to tell him about.

Christian Collins
Christian Collins

This literally looks like it was taken out of a South Park weeaboo episode

Nicholas Adams
Nicholas Adams

The slightly delayed explosions are a nice touch.

Jonathan Young
Jonathan Young

Will Lise's route be a stasi route, or will they go with Lise defecting to the rebels instead? I think the first would be more interesting, but I'd expect the second as they could re-use many of the story elements and scenes from Katia's and Iris's routes with slight changes here and there. Age is kinda lazy after all.

Carson Gonzalez
Carson Gonzalez

This

Carson Stewart
Carson Stewart

Fuck eveything and escape to freedom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX26vUoVpaU

Ethan Fisher
Ethan Fisher

That'd make for a very short and uninteresting route. Happy though, but unsatisfying.

Landon Morris
Landon Morris

it's a bit funny since kurogane is like a hedgehog when fighting BETA as it slices everything it touch

Jordan Reed
Jordan Reed

It is.

Parker King
Parker King

It would be kind of interesting if Lise's dick problems were never addressed in her own route, but alluded to in such a way that if you already know about them from other routes, it's obvious she's trying to hide it from Theo.

It would leave open a world of disaster if he ever found out, but that could keep things interesting.

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

Not wanting to have a mad chase along Europe
do you hate fun?

Henry King
Henry King

No one would've given a shit had they defected, especially if they did it when Axmann kicked his coup off.

Landon Wood
Landon Wood

So I guess the general consensus is that she'd still be evil, but it'd be funneled towards more positive outcomes then canon.

Kevin Rivera
Kevin Rivera

As evil as Yuuko, which is already a point of discussion. Maybe a bit less since she would have a more effective morality chain.

Jaxson Peterson
Jaxson Peterson

They really are.

Asher Hernandez
Asher Hernandez

No one would've given a shit had they defected
Probably would have given a shit, but at the same time, understood why. It's one of those decisions you can't help but wonder if you would have done the same in their shoes.

Having others you genuinely care about around you tends to be a stabilizing factor in life.

It's like how some of the craziest fucks in real life and in fiction tend to mellow out a bit once they've had kids; now they have lives to safeguard and are suddenly far more conscious about possible threats, their own responsibilities, etc. It's no longer just about them.

Aaron Reed
Aaron Reed

The basic tragedy of Iris and Beaux is if they worked together, they would have succeeded, but they'd rather the other failed. If Jurgen was there, they'd work together.

With Iris and Beatrix working together, you get a better result

no super stasi state, because that part was dumb
western assistance, because Iris' nationalism was also dumb
send Heim and the NVA western command to reinforce the absolute defense line instead of rebelling
still use the Stasi and the Werewolves as a stick to make sure people don't cut and run during an orderly withdrawal.

Ryder Campbell
Ryder Campbell

no scale plamo from Koto already out of print

FUCK THIS SHIT.

Isaiah Edwards
Isaiah Edwards

Did that artist do any other Mubrub work?

Nathan Young
Nathan Young

poor retards you all will feel pretty stupid when you read VNs and side material(req and bis)

Jeremiah Price
Jeremiah Price

because Iris' nationalism was also dumb
fuck off Kike

But you are right about the rest

Evan Gutierrez
Evan Gutierrez

Is there even any difference between the two of them?

Tyler Campbell
Tyler Campbell

I wish Irisdina's death was more painful.
I wish some BETAs slowly ate her.

Logan Cruz
Logan Cruz

sociopath detected

Jace Gray
Jace Gray

No, she's just a shit girl who didn't deserve a graceful death.

Christopher Robinson
Christopher Robinson

She was described by LN fags back during the kickstarter as kinda Sagiri-ish . And it wasn't even German or Greater German Nationalism, but petty East German Nationalism which was basically "Muh DDR".

Wishing someone would be chomped is beyond the pale.

Ryder Wood
Ryder Wood

You need professional help.

Jace Lopez
Jace Lopez

East Germany is not Germany

Are you from Canada?

Anthony Evans
Anthony Evans

East Germany is not Germany

How did you interpret that out of my comment?

Nolan Richardson
Nolan Richardson

FISHBED PRIDE WORLDWIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7AgUcME4o0

William Ortiz
William Ortiz

East Germany was shit Germany.

Lincoln Brooks
Lincoln Brooks

アイリスとベアトの髪に顔突っ込んで深呼吸したい
リィズは臭そうだからいいや
I want to thrust my face into the hair of Iris and Bea and breath in deep.
Lise's hair would also smell good.

ベア様死んだと見せかけて腋の下でナイフ受け流してたとかの展開は無か?
Maybe Beatrix was feigning death, because how would she have been able to shrug with a knife in her armpit?

For the most part, the 2channers aren't as harsh on her as they are on Theo, Axmann, or even Katia.

Henry Martinez
Henry Martinez

If I have to explain, I don`t have to explain.

Begone, shlomo.

Asher Miller
Asher Miller

FISHBED LIVES

Cameron James
Cameron James

Defending your nation is bad

fuck off sholmo
wrong

Robert Johnson
Robert Johnson

or even Katia.
They barely even discuss her above jokes about drinking her piss.

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

Defending a soviet's puppet nation isn't bad.

Wut?

Dominic King
Dominic King

t. soviet cucks

begone, ivan

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

Damn those are strangely sexually deviant people ..

Jayden Richardson
Jayden Richardson

Only Tito was man enough to tell the fuck of the Ivans.

Evan Price
Evan Price

puppets
There is a sea of BETA between the DDR and what's left of the Soviet Union so there is no much room for control
Besides East Germany did everyhing willing
"There is nothing more fanatic than a convert"

Oliver Gonzalez
Oliver Gonzalez

shlomo has nothing to say

As usual. Day of the rope is coming closer, shlomo.

Ayden Robinson
Ayden Robinson

Go suck HATO dick

Colton Williams
Colton Williams

I have a good guess of where this is going to end, and I don't like it one bit.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

shlomo has nothing to say
not an argument, kettle.

Jayden Price
Jayden Price

soviet is bad
coming from a literal cuck being blacked every day

But at least you have your constitution, ahahaha.

Hudson Williams
Hudson Williams

See, it's funny because NATO actually WASN'T a thinly-disguised vehicle for American power

Dylan Campbell
Dylan Campbell

Soviet isn't bad?

Prey to tell me why don't they exist anymore if they were so good and loved?

Andrew Foster
Andrew Foster

tfw Bea barely get's discussed outside of BiS threads over on 2ch

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

that`s what burgers actually believe

shlomo in full denial mode
So cute. Okay, I kill you last.

William Gutierrez
William Gutierrez

shlomo in full denial mode
i'm not denying anything kettle, non arguments will be responded with non arguments

Angel Cruz
Angel Cruz

Why doesn`t white murrica exist anymore, burger?

Isaiah Ramirez
Isaiah Ramirez

She was an east German nationalist opposed to reunification or western support. It was dumb. It would have made more sense if she wanted to refound Prussia or something than just keep an arbitrary cluster of States.

Beattix wanted reunification on Western terms only, which still made more sense.

Kevin Mitchell
Kevin Mitchell

yeah sure
Because their russian paraonia complex
The nation that sended more satelites to space could only produce bad copies of FIAT cars

Camden Perez
Camden Perez

shlomo says "arguments"
The ironing.

Adam Baker
Adam Baker

Are you a racist faggot?

Justin Rivera
Justin Rivera

If you are so deseperated to suck US/Wessie cocks just jump the Berlin wall

Noah Allen
Noah Allen

who are you quoting, kettle?

Kevin Morgan
Kevin Morgan

muh consumption is everything
Tell that to hindus. At the rate they are going now, they`ll battle for the total control of your corporate sector with the kike in a year or two.

You got it wrong. Of course I am a racist, but you are the faggot.

Michael Hernandez
Michael Hernandez

Implying it isn't better and tastier than Ivan's cock.

There will come the racial comments.

Aiden Turner
Aiden Turner

shlomo keeps squirming
You`re losing the cute factor, try something else.

Lucas Williams
Lucas Williams

curryniggers
controling anything

Jeremiah White
Jeremiah White

One single comment spawned all this shit, I'm impressed. And kind of proud of what messing with someone's Nationalism can spawn around here.

Christian Cox
Christian Cox

Troll Ivan is quite actif tonight isn't he?

Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

Wake up burger, your previous owners have sold you to Debendranath, in bulk at that.

Jacob Martin
Jacob Martin

Enjoy your shekels

Jace Sanchez
Jace Sanchez

implying I'm a burger
If anything, the happy merchants sold the US to China

Liam Martinez
Liam Martinez

HATOcuck buttchafed by glorious ivan
gotta do something
let`s scream troll, it will totally ease the pain

Jason Moore
Jason Moore

If I were a kike I would, but I am not one.

Brayden Phillips
Brayden Phillips

I hope they don't exclude her backstory, it'd be pretty tough to make the character work without it.

I don't know how its gonna go, but it'll probably be the wildest ride.

Nolan Scott
Nolan Scott

Happy merchants are already thinking hard about sinocrypsis, I kid you not.

Scary.

Austin Rivera
Austin Rivera

Kek why did they build the wall in the first place you fool? To keep the wessies from coming to glorious communism?
Kek.

Jonathan James
Jonathan James

you're not too good at discussing, are you? you took the dogmatic position where you post nothing but inane incessant /pol/ memes, and you can't defend your overextended position so you just attack your perceived opposition without ever extrapolating on your views

are you going to actually present something or are we going to keep up this charade of bullshit where you think you are actually achieving something?

hard mode: make a reply without painting your opponent as a jew

Zachary Bennett
Zachary Bennett

hard mode: make a reply without painting your opponent as a jew
Nice try merchant

Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

I knew it was too high of a dialogue for you to pursue.

Brandon Russell
Brandon Russell

discussing
a bunch of inane projections
requisite /pol/ mention

Now I am actually disappointed. Did you think for even a minute we were engaging in _dialog_?
What has Sup Forums come to, wow.

Zachary James
Zachary James

He isn't wrong. You're being just as bad as the one guy who was mechanically calling everyone who questioned Beatrix autistic, and you sound at least as stupid as he did.

Xavier Rogers
Xavier Rogers

m-muh big words

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

muh incoherent slavic babble!

Aaron Nelson
Aaron Nelson

Fuck you all with a power drill, I`ll just post some Fishbed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZf98M2C-aI

Lucas Walker
Lucas Walker

Get the hell out of there Ivanovbitch, I'm calling Liberty Prime right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDmdfOrG3D8

Jaxson Gomez
Jaxson Gomez

I don't see any potato runes

Dominic Garcia
Dominic Garcia

You're a big boy now, vatnik. It's time to possibly entertain the fact that not every thread has to be filled with memes and buzzwords that do nothing but satisfy temporary lust for anonymous street cred.

Jonathan Thomas
Jonathan Thomas

A present for you.

Gabriel Long
Gabriel Long

He`s just flailing in the dark, leave him.

Zachary Price
Zachary Price

At least post some good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GgS-SwKPxU

Lucas Perez
Lucas Perez

Iris is a huge cuck for agreeing to participate in operation Neptune and going to "Gdansk" in "Poland" to fight the Beta. Her nationalism, like yours, is nothing more than sour grapes mixed with absurd delusions of adequacy.

Reunification with the eventual goal of taking back the 1914 borders (or ideally the 1941 borders plus Trieste, Slovenia and South Tyrol) is a worthy goal for a German Nationalist.

Brandenburg, Mecklenburg, Thuringia and Saxony is cuck-tier.

Jonathan Campbell
Jonathan Campbell

Always on time for a party I see :P.

Nathan Brooks
Nathan Brooks

agreeing
You have no idea what military is, do you.
1914 borders
As if anyone would let them. Unifying the county is the real goal, muh lebensraum shit belongs in the can.

Logan Murphy
Logan Murphy

The cutest.

Jackson Morgan
Jackson Morgan

Fuck off Willie

Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore

Didn't Iris want the wall to come down. I thought she was a GERMAN nationalist, not an Ossie nationalist. Beatrix is the complete opposite and wants to fuck the DDR for the greater good of Europe.

Tyler Collins
Tyler Collins

CONELRAD was a god-tier radio for Fallout New Vegas

Eli King
Eli King

She was an East German nationalist, she wanted a unifiaction too, but on the DDR terms

Parker Barnes
Parker Barnes

Agreed

She's winning the strawpoll, too.

Chase Moore
Chase Moore

You're right, she doesn't get to agree or disagree to participating in an operation. Didn't make her less of a cuck or her ideals any less of a joke, though.

Lucas Turner
Lucas Turner

Was Jürgen a communist lover?

Henry Thomas
Henry Thomas

No, he most definitely was not.

Alexander Lee
Alexander Lee

We will find out on BiS

Juan Robinson
Juan Robinson

taking into account the interests of some 16 million people
a joke

Good luch unifying anything with such attitudes.

Nathan Miller
Nathan Miller

He and Beatrix both hated the Soviets though.

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

Weaker economy and standard of living.
Totalitarian state.
Use terror to keep its own citizens in line and execute a gogo.
Less territory.
Less military.
Far less populous.

Was she delusional?

Jace Young
Jace Young

Implying that there still are 16 million east Germans in '83 after ten years fighting the BETA

There is a reason they accept 15 year old girls in the military there.

Xavier Harris
Xavier Harris

That didn't stopped Katia
And it was almost like that in the real life

Nathan Torres
Nathan Torres

I'm getting the sense that Jurgen was basically a Tito.

Dominic Hall
Dominic Hall

Well Jürgen was certainly man enough if he could afford to have a waifu such as Beatrix.

Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

Jurgen was a Char.

Cameron Lee
Cameron Lee

Tito wishes his wife was hot as Beatrix.

Austin Ortiz
Austin Ortiz

Wrong, if he was like Tito he would avoid getting killed

Why not? in 1983 the BETA are at the doors of East Germany

Luis Martinez
Luis Martinez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hb87a1SItc
world is ready for the new Mig Alley game, but russians don`t show much interest in doing it, and you`re not getting an airsim from anywhere else
No Sabre raping anymore. ;_;

Unifications aren`t made on the amount of population alone, or any other factor in isolation. You want those people, military and territory, you`d fucking better learn fast to make workable deals.

Implying wessies do much better, with a Nice Ass and her schoolmates on the frontline.

Jurgen is like an Axmann, pragmatical first and foremost. Your personal feelings in the fight for survival mean nothing if you can get your hands on a better tech.

Isaiah Rivera
Isaiah Rivera

They were used as cannon fodder by the Soviets before '78 ,the Oder-Neisse line is a Meat grinder and their army is constantly understrength. Do you really think that they haven't had a few million casualties?

Tyler Gonzalez
Tyler Gonzalez

Jurgen is like an Axmann, pragmatical first and foremost.

Was that why him and Axmann were such bitter enemies?

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

I think so.

Adam Edwards
Adam Edwards

No, Jurgen was based on Erich Hartmann.

Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

By 87 the total number of NVA troops was 175.300
plus 211,000 if you count Kampfgruppen
I think that the cassualties would be closer to WW1 numbers, but still the figures don't ass

Jack Evans
Jack Evans

being based on bieber v0.5
Even Jurgen would take offence.

Landon Lewis
Landon Lewis

No, he was more like Hans-Joachim Marseille

Jace Martinez
Jace Martinez

Yeah, but he looks more like the Ace-pilot Bieber.

Besides, Beatrix is the genderswapped Marseille

Kayden Gray
Kayden Gray

implying that Beato would have a negro aide

Jose White
Jose White

Was it good or bad characterization to cause the disparity in opinion her anime counterpart spawned

Daniel Perez
Daniel Perez

/a/thread/141174573#p141174573
/a/thread/141174573#p141174573
/a/thread/141174573#p141174573

The ride continues! New thread.

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

The did say they wanted her to be a disgusting human being.

Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

I think if she had.been presented properly, she would have totally stolen the show.

Benjamin Hill
Benjamin Hill

I'd say she stole the show anyway given the controversy at the time. I can see things from her morally dubious point of view but taking the show at face value I'd say she did fine as an antagonist. Its a bit fucked up to paint someone who went through what she did as such, but like the Joker, all it takes is one bad day.

Or in her case 3 bad years.

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