What's the difference between Japanese and American space?

Luke Walker
Luke Walker

What's the difference between Japanese and American space?

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Luke Torres
Luke Torres

Japanese space is full of lolis.

John Brown
John Brown

American space
Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.

Japanese space
Humans are the only intelligent life out there but that's bad enough because we want to kill each other.

Luis Peterson
Luis Peterson

gundamn and glamorized Aliens

Benjamin Bailey
Benjamin Bailey

About an inch in length and girth

Isaac Young
Isaac Young

Jap space:
skin tight suits everywhere
mechs
the whole crew of ships and mechs are teens that barely stopped wetting the bed
space magic everywhere
magic space races that are colored humans to increase space magic

American Space:

sexy colored women (which the japs smartly copies)
serious adult crews
actual hard sci-fi that isn't a vessel for otaku pandering
actually a legitimate media pursuit unlike japs

Even my favorite anime space adventure, Yamato 2199, is subject to pretty much all the shit I listed above.

Grayson King
Grayson King

Humans are technically created by Aliens from another planet.

Human evolution is an innovation intricate by extraterritorial life form into homosapien.

Michael Baker
Michael Baker

best game ever, sadly for the poor pacing thought. The story could have gotten a justified treatment.

Nicholas Peterson
Nicholas Peterson

American space:

Wealth of high quality sci-fi writers from Assimov to Frank Herbert.

Japanese space:

Light Novel source material, guaranteed harem with stock characters, tsundere romance, chunni plot.

Brayden Perez
Brayden Perez

implying Americans dont do space magic and dont pander mindless capefags.

Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

Almost all sci-fi relies on a bit of space magic.

Samuel Reed
Samuel Reed

implying that still isn't better than 99% of jap space shit

What have they done well? LoGH, Planetes, Crest/Banner of the Stars (which is more of a romance than anything), and Yamato? Wow, so impressive, they managed to occasionally somewhat coherently copy a Western genre.

Joseph Wood
Joseph Wood

Planetes sucks.

Dylan Bailey
Dylan Bailey

Problem with Japanese space is the authors put to much bullshit in it. Good sci-fi needs a proper 7-3 reasonable to bullshit ratio. Japan usually does more like 4-6.

Aaron Roberts
Aaron Roberts

One got nuked and one didn't?

Luke Allen
Luke Allen

American space = Brutal Terrans
Japanese space = Self-defensive Argons

Anthony Cruz
Anthony Cruz

didn't list cowboy bebop

Anthony Flores
Anthony Flores

What's the difference between Japanese and American space?

American space is filled with illegal aliens

John Sullivan
John Sullivan

Well, honestly I agree, but I included it because it's well received by a lot of people. The fact that I included something I didn't even like to flesh out the numbers should say something.

That's really true. I know Mass Effect isn't Sup Forums at all, but a big reason why I thought it was so great is because so much of the science was believable if you accepted the nonexistent Element Zero as real. Mass Effect Fields, Mass Effect Drives, the Mass Effect driven guns, all of it became believable scientifically. Past that, you only had the bullshit biological shit to swallow, and it was pretty easy by then in my opinion since most of it was only covered in the uncanny valley sex scenes and Codex pages.

Matthew Allen
Matthew Allen

American space is more politics
star trek
star wars
ds9

Japanese space is more sexy 1000 year old lolis

Brandon Jones
Brandon Jones

Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.
What is Gunbuster?

Alexander Hughes
Alexander Hughes

Cowboy Bebop was a Western in space, just like Firefly. It was most definitely not a Space Western, in which the sci-fi and space elements took a front seat. I liked it, but including it would be out of place.

Elijah Garcia
Elijah Garcia

Avatar is Anime

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

then my statement still stands, why are you yapping your mouth.

Daniel Perez
Daniel Perez

American future- dystopic shitholes rife with class systems and corruption
Japanese future- Loli utopias

Jeremiah Sullivan
Jeremiah Sullivan

in other word what you are saying is, regardless how well or original the nip do it, as long as the west does first; therefore they are superior by default. Nice small minded conclusion that fit your brain rightly.

Kayden Cruz
Kayden Cruz

Are you joking?
American sci-fi has always been ths lowest shit-tier garbage, the "best" of american space sci-fi is merely decent compared to japanese space sci-fi

Blake Morris
Blake Morris

Op asks for the difference between nip and murican space
murican has space magic, but has hard sci-fi
hard sci-fi is basically nonexistent in anime, and almost all of it is space magic
both have space magic, but the thread was about differences between the two
you're getting mad because I didn't bring up similarities as well

Get over it.

Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

America - let's conquer the aliens' home planet
Japan - let's fuck the space elves

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

in other word what you are saying is, regardless how well or original the nip do it, as long as the west does first; therefore they are superior by default

Not at all. Japan has a few solid examples of good sci-fi. It's just that they usually choose to suck at the genre, so the west still reigns supreme without even a small challenge from Japan.

American sci-fi has always been ths lowest shit-tier garbage

Holy shit, the weeibism is real. List your top five jap sci-fi creations, and I'll list some western ones that are objectively better.

Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

all im saying is American space have poor shits too.
All you do is barking, about Japan copy America. That't not an argument.

Jason Reed
Jason Reed

It's tempting to think that Japanese writers are sub-par desu because all of the media that reaches the West is LN/manga/anime stuff, which is badly written as a rule.

I'm sure there are exceptions that none of us know about - maybe.

Hunter Price
Hunter Price

it's not that hard to understand.

Jayden Jones
Jayden Jones

But Japan loves dystopian futures way more than Murica does.

Adam Rodriguez
Adam Rodriguez

Sidonia and Gurren Ragann are hard space sci-fi?

Gabriel Williams
Gabriel Williams

Oh, I totally agree. Most of it is shit, same as with any medium. The difference is that western sci-fi embraced the best, most basic parts of the genre, while largely Japan missed the point.

All you do is barking, about Japan copy America

It wasn't supposed to be an argument, just my opinion based off of my observations. Like I said, most of anime completely misses the point of anime, and thinks it's just a new setting with which to recycle pandering tropes and cliches in. It's not always bad, I mean I loved Starship Operators, but it was completely guilty of everything I've listed.

Ayden Harris
Ayden Harris

ANIME WHEN!?

Luke Jenkins
Luke Jenkins

I'm sure there are exceptions that none of us know about - maybe.

There are. Crest/Banner of the Stars is based off of a pretty good sci-fi book series from what I've heard. Too bad it will never be translated.

Am I alone in wanting a Xenosaga anime instead? And wanting movies instead of a series for higher quality?

Luke Morris
Luke Morris

I suspect that Western writers are somewhat better for various reasons, but mostly because our traditions for verbal enterprises are more impressive, such as philosophy, literature, law, etc., indicating more merit.

I'm sure that stuff's okay, though.

Sebastian Gutierrez
Sebastian Gutierrez

list somethings and I'll tell you they're shit
seems pretty pointless. Any gundam is better just because the plot has a legitimate goal and progression. Also, if yamato 2199 is what you consider the pinnacle of Japanese space sci-fi, you need to watch more anime.

Tyler Kelly
Tyler Kelly

I wasn't trying to say Japns are anywhere near western writers here if that's what you though. Crest/Banner of the Stars is literally the only sci-fi book from Japan that I've heard all around positive things about. And if you see the show you'll see it has a lot of good sci-fi in it.

Parker Gray
Parker Gray

GL isn't hard in any way, shape or form, but its still sci fi and a great series.

Sidiona is actually pretty hard sci fi. Although it does get slightly softer as it goes on.

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

American space
hard sci-fi
not pandering to geeks

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

I want babylon 5 and stargate anime series with all the characters as cute girls.

Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

Nah you suck

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

One is folded over 1000 times.

Henry Roberts
Henry Roberts

genki irresponsible shadow-sama saying that chaos is good, fufufu
strict vorlon-onee-san reprimanding and reminding everyone that rules should be obeyed, ara ara

John Cruz
John Cruz

Stop reminding me how great x3 was, they thoroughly fucked their franchise up with AP and rebirth.

Logan Flores
Logan Flores

Are we only talking visual media here? American sci-fi literature is vast and a portion of it is brilliant.

Jordan Garcia
Jordan Garcia

Mexicans have the right idea.

Jacob Powell
Jacob Powell

I can't remember the last time I watched something in space that didn't devolve into magic bullshit or pseudo-philosophy.

Grayson Thomas
Grayson Thomas

Any Gundam is better....

Holy shit dude I love the Gundam series but read a book god dam.

To me Japanese sci-fi is usually a fantasy story in space (aliens use magick so crazy!!!) whereas American sci-fi is drama in space (people cheating, murdering, betraying, but in space).

Camden Anderson
Camden Anderson

A minority of exceptions does not invalidate the trend.

Christian Edwards
Christian Edwards

I prefer Japanese space

At least it's not full of these fucking horrifying shits

Colton Moore
Colton Moore

o que la fregada

Colton Smith
Colton Smith

Dune
Star Wars
Star Trek
Event Horizon
Alien
Avatar

Easton Sullivan
Easton Sullivan

What is Interstellar?

Justin Young
Justin Young

Shit?

Joshua Morris
Joshua Morris

Overrated?

Michael Howard
Michael Howard

A stunning visual work of art with one of the best soundtracks known to man

Hunter Wright
Hunter Wright

Asimov
American

Jace Lewis
Jace Lewis

I know this is bait but it still got me mad. Good job user.

Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

Jap space
hype as shit

American space
We've run out of ideas where can we go next

Camden Powell
Camden Powell

American space has songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60BjkUtqxPE

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

are there any anime or manga that have an aesthetic similar to the original Alien?

Owen Walker
Owen Walker

Isn't it a bit unfair to compare Western literature to Japanese cartoons? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare cartoons to cartoons, comics to comics, live action movies to live action movies, video games to video games, and literature to literature?

Austin Gomez
Austin Gomez

Isaac Asimov (/ˈaɪzᵻk ˈæzᵻmɒv/;[2] born Isaak Ozimov; circa January 2, 1920[1] – April 6, 1992) was an American author and professor of biochemistry at Boston University, best known for his works of science fiction and for his popular science books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov
2/10 apply yourself

Easton Murphy
Easton Murphy

Asimov was born between October 4, 1919 and January 2, 1920[1] in Petrovichi near Klimovichi, then Gomel Governorate in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (now Smolensk Oblast, Russia) to Anna Rachel (née Berman) and Judah Asimov, a family of Jewish millers.

I know America is a pathetic nation with a hopelessly shit genepool, but you really should stop trying to attribute great people to yourself like this, it only makes you even more pathetic (if that is even possible).

Julian Davis
Julian Davis

I think you're just cherry picking here. US space has this same bullshit problem but since there's more to choose from, people tend to forget the crappy stuff. I mean, need I remind you of the 1.2 million troops stupidity from Star Wars?

Jackson Davis
Jackson Davis

nor set it

Kevin Peterson
Kevin Peterson

this whole thread is about cherrypicking, why bother making fair comparisons?

Angel Taylor
Angel Taylor

Neo America was also pretty good, a star with a big flag and the Statue of Liberty.

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

Because in that case you cannot act like the west is great and Japan shit in order to "annoy the weebs!!1"

Michael Brown
Michael Brown

Couple of hundred kilometers, I presume.

Kevin Rodriguez
Kevin Rodriguez

Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.
Agreed. Alien symbolizes those filthy immigrants who inevitably will ruin America

Eli Sanchez
Eli Sanchez

Because some anons want to discuss the subject correctly and properly rather than shitposting.

Even i know i need to take a break from shitposting and do some actual disscusion for once.

Christian Green
Christian Green

that... sounds great. I would watch.

Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

He may have been born in the Soviet Union, but his family didn't stick around there for very long. His family moved to the us when he was 3. He grew up in Brooklyn speaking English, he went to school in the US speaking English. and he got his start writing in in American pulp magazines. I'd say that qualifies him as an American author.

Justin Evans
Justin Evans

say hello to transformer

Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

japan space is best space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWQpOCBWcsM

Jaxon Rivera
Jaxon Rivera

So that Robert Heinlien fellow is pretty genreiatic (genre geriatric) but in his time the future thing was exploited, or shouldwesay sexploited, as the progression away from "old world" morals meant spaace was the 60's but with upper level management being in on it also. I recently took a diversion into a heinlien book because I was being tormented by demons of my own creation about the effects on my life from spending so much time on anime, it was called "Time Enough for Love" about how luminati eugenics exponential success coincided with galactic colonialization, such that the garysue patriarch saw it all go by, going from 15 year old ww2 into space clint Eastwood sexing space chicks for so long that as soon as he got his clone organs fixed in he was solicited by most of his cousin-granddaughters who would be a few hundred years his junior but also old while looking young due tobspace tech and age defying eugenics and med tech. I could barely even until his plucky twin fem clone daughter sisters also wanted his space seed. Fucking weab shit, cis scum

Oliver Hall
Oliver Hall

Pic related.

Wyatt Edwards
Wyatt Edwards

Any gundam is better just because the plot has a legitimate goal and progression

Holy shit.

Bentley Flores
Bentley Flores

I hope irl we adopt the skin tight suits for either battle or space.

Juan Jackson
Juan Jackson

If only such a thing was practical. The mecha is more practical.

Justin Collins
Justin Collins

Yeah Heinlein's later works are like that.

Caleb Price
Caleb Price

sound effects in open space

Mason Reyes
Mason Reyes

I read that skintight suits are actually practical and would work.

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

If only such a thing was practical. The mecha is more practical.
Lol wut. Skintight space suits are an actual thing. They've never been flown but at one point they were doing full scale testing in vacuum chambers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_activity_suit

Logan Wright
Logan Wright

I'll admit, the Japs are pretty great at the latter, but Kirk made it popular.

Samuel Cruz
Samuel Cruz

Blame? Or Angels Egg?

Jose Campbell
Jose Campbell

I've noticed a lot of the shit that people attribute to the Japanese in this thread were actually made and popularized in another country, then just adopted by the Japs. Even the skintight suits in started in trash dime fiction novels and crappy sci-fi movies.

Mason Rivera
Mason Rivera

This. You cannot compare Anime to Literature, because it simply didn't have the same amount of time of written material as one medium to another.

Even films have difficulty for doing Hard Sci-fi and stuff like Interstellar still derive on dribble on supernatural shit like love.

Only TV Series like ST:TNG or Babylon 5 fit the bill sort of. Although it still has flaws of not going deep enough.

We are not getting Foundation by Isaac Asimov like qualities in Anime. Or even stuff even close to being as good in any other medium. No medium stands a chance against literature when it comes to purely written stories. Anime, Cartoons, Comics, TV Shows, and Movies are never going to get that articulate ever. The only medium I see reaching those heights are Graphic Novels, but then again those are getting a bit ridiculous lately as well.

Whenever Sci-Fi is involved there will always be the faction of people that want more Star Wars/Firefly then Hard Sci-fi like TNG/Babylon 5.

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBZuBUw_F68

Joseph Anderson
Joseph Anderson

Japanese space barely exists anymore because it's too far removed from a high school setting. Unless they bring the high school to space like fucking Valverave

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones

Not just the spacesuits -- it's the contrast between cute schoolgirls in one and burly men in the other.

Asher Watson
Asher Watson

Nobody here is comparing anime to literature, they're comparing PULP (Assimov, Herbert, Dick) to PULP (Urobuchi, Okada, etc.)

When pulp is really good, it becomes 'literature'. None of this is literature.

Adrian Ortiz
Adrian Ortiz

Western literature is boring as fuck thou, people only read it cause it's required in school.

Dylan Moore
Dylan Moore

More unholy collaborations like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIZty-Eol4s

Jace Myers
Jace Myers

Even films have difficulty for doing Hard Sci-fi

The Alien movies felt pretty hard to me. Hard sci-fi doesn't necessarily mean you need to explain every single piece of science behind the story, just that everything is believable and there's no asspull "it's space magic" shit going on. It's not difficult for a film to do hard sci-fi, it's just that shit like Interstellars magical fifth dimenion gravity being love is much easier to package to a wider audience.

Blake Jenkins
Blake Jenkins

Although the closest we have gotten to a true Hard Sci-fi with films is 2001: A Space Odyssey. Though some people will debate me on that movie and legitimacy on evolution to godhood.
Of course none of anime is going to be literature. Same with all other mediums. I've been saying that stories from those Pulp authors you've mentioned are never going to be topped storytelling wise in any other Medium but Literature. It is an unrealistic goal for anime writers that are aiming to gain a profit rather then make passion projects like these seminal authors.

It ain't realistic. Unless they have big named directors like Kubrick come in and say they have 100% power over the project.

Cooper Martin
Cooper Martin

this fag is actually trying to claim that the biggest sci-fi writers weren't writing literature

Probably the shittiest taste I've seen all year.

Gabriel Davis
Gabriel Davis

You don't seem to understand what literature is.

Oh, hey, you know Light Novels and Manga? The writing in those is AWFUL beyond compare, too.

Jacob Reed
Jacob Reed

It depends on what they were trying to accomplish. Asimov doesn't really qualify in my opinion because he's too close to pulp and doesn't write in the traditional form (his stuff is more transparent thematically, it's more about "this is interesting" rather than "this is thematically interesting"), but someone like Herbert might have indeed accomplished entry into the Western canon with Dune.

Brody Kelly
Brody Kelly

Now look. Alien is a great film. But Aliens butchered the whole methos for me.
Again. Those authors are trying to make stories that are for a profit. Why do you think Shonen magazine publications have contests for introducing new stories? It's by finding the most profitable stories out there for a general audience. Light Novels used to be different before the 2000's. Only when they adopted the anime mentality post-2000's is when it got shitty. I mean Light Novels were stuff like Arslan from Yoshiki Tanaka.

It's just the Haruhi boom that things sunked real fucking low for Light-Novels.

Parker Foster
Parker Foster

dude, just stop

Adam Lee
Adam Lee

The hobbit and lord of the ring are basically fantasy light novels.
There is no difference, just that the former is older.

Noah Garcia
Noah Garcia

american space nothing or aliens
jap space the alien enemies were humans all along?

Luis Reed
Luis Reed

There's a grain of truth to it. SciFi has historically been looked down on as cheap trash by more "mainstream" literary circles. The term SciFi Ghetto doesn't exist for nothing and the reasons for its existence haven't entirely gone away.

James Smith
James Smith

What I'm trying to say is. Most people in this current generation are not going to make the masterpieces in literature as they did in the 20th century. The stuff that is influential in today's society is profitable books like Harry Potter, Hunger Games, or Twillight. Which are basically shit books if you asked me. Most of the greatest authors back in the day were not rich and most of their books were passion projects that they made just because. And were featured on a magazine or newspaper. Most of these amazing books of literature were made by people who were desperate or were researching passionately for other ventures and then their well known book came by during those researches. I mean authors like HP Lovecraft, Asimov, or Tolkien didn't become hugely praised people at the time. They were awkward, weird and nerds that made books on their own time because they had nothing else to do but crammed the experiences and stuff they learned from their research in their specific niches.

Only about 5-10 years afterwards they get praised and get compensated.

Adam Clark
Adam Clark

Well, I was really only thinking of Alien when I wrote that comment, but what didn't you like about Aliens?

Tolkien quite literally invents the modern fantasy genre
this fucking idiot still tries to claim that the writings of Tolkien are on the same level as your generic fantasy light novels that badly rip off his works and mix it with anime tropes

Jesus Christ, discussing anything that's not from Japan on Sup Forums is painful. The weebs come out in full force.

Kevin Rodriguez
Kevin Rodriguez

Tolkien quite literally invents the modern fantasy genre

Some goblins and a basic story structure is inventing a genre? western fags actually believe this.

Alexander Lee
Alexander Lee

This has to be some really good bait. Nobody is this stupid.

Julian Barnes
Julian Barnes

self defense argon
self defense
spoken like a true zeke

Jaxon Gray
Jaxon Gray

Well, yeah. I'm on the party that Alien is a great movie and is the best Sci-Fi Horror film ever made.

Aliens felt like it butchered the feeling of dread and uncertainty of the first film. I guess it all comes down to it having a more uplifting ending to the franchise. Rather then the whole "YOUR FUCKING ALONE" in space type of ending that Alien had.

You are being very ignorant. Tolkien made those stories as a fictional example of his experience when he went TO FUCKING WAR. And he translated it into a full blown myth in his own mind painted into writing. When at the time people were writing mystery/noire type stories.

Although H.G. Welles, Merry Shelley, Grimms did proceed him in making fantasy-esque worlds. What Tolkien created were the main stay races and ideologies within fantasy literature.

You are correct. He did not create the fantasy genre. That would definitely be the people who made religions and the ancient mythologies.

Alexander Reyes
Alexander Reyes

What about that that episode of TNG with that planet where everyone fucks each other like crazy but follows draconian laws?

James Rodriguez
James Rodriguez

The fantasy genre is much different from Scandinavian stories about elves and goblins. It's a cohesive world.

Benjamin Johnson
Benjamin Johnson

There is no such thing as Japanese space, all space belongs to America.

Zachary Jenkins
Zachary Jenkins

Twilight and The Mortal Instruments are better examples of fantasy light novels than those.

Asher Lopez
Asher Lopez

The Martian did pretty well with the hard sci-fi stuff though.

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

But that's the same shit as Mythologies/Religions of old. Tolkien didn't create the whole THIS IS A UNIVERSE WITH LORE in storytelling. He created the cliche's and mainstays of fantasy. Like the races, species, and other superficial stuff that everyone copied from him.

Like here's an interesting idea. What if we knew who was the man that was the most important of a mythology. Or better yet compare Tolkien's Middle Earth to King James Bible. They establish rules that are very similar to each other. The core feeling I get from all fantasies is that they are all Epics. And Epics are created from storytellers from a bygone age wayyyy before this millennium.

If you say Martian is Hard Sci-Fi then Gravity is Hard Sci-Fi. It still is held behind with some crap story.

Justin Gutierrez
Justin Gutierrez

Are you fucking serious, dude? I mean we all love anime/Jap sci-fi here; this is Sup Forums. But, come on.

Angel Campbell
Angel Campbell

Because The Martian was based on a true story.

Daniel Harris
Daniel Harris

It still is held behind with some crap story.
So is 2001: A Space Odyssey, right?

Jack Richardson
Jack Richardson

The martian movie maybe. But the book? It was pretty hard, with most of the inaccuracies being deliberate choices on the part of the author.

Christian Brown
Christian Brown

He did not create the fantasy genre. That would definitely be the people who made religions
A tip of the fedora to you, good sir.

Luke Wood
Luke Wood

Except with the martian I could suspend what little I needed to to have a good time.
With gravity I was already moaning when the non momentum kept pulling clooney away after they had grabbed onto the space station in like the first 10 minutes of the film.

Gabriel Barnes
Gabriel Barnes

2001: A Space Odyssey isn't about the writing it is more about the visceral experience of "getting" what it is about. At the time it was Hard Sci-fi I mean. Kubrick & Clark actually got NASA experts to help them on making their setting as real/accurate as possible. Shit the fucking goddamn movie had Skype, Universe Wide-Communication, VLOGs/Journal diaries. And the such. The ending and beginning are based off of real theories of the time of the films making. I mean I see the monolith as the instinct to evolve. Or you could see it more superficial as "it was le aliens".

Come on dude. Epics/Religious Stories are the progenitors of Fantasy.

Ethan Lee
Ethan Lee

Tolkien was Catholic, of course he's influenced by the King James Bible.

Michael Evans
Michael Evans

He's right, though. Tolkien didn't invent high fantasy, he revived it from Germanic/Anglo-Saxon tradition, which is just as great an accomplishment.

Aaron Torres
Aaron Torres

actual hard sci-fi
You cannot be serious.

Bentley Stewart
Bentley Stewart

It's not technically true that old pagan religions were the origin of fantasy. Fantasy and the fantastic are different.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_fantasy#Differences_between_fantasy_and_earlier_fantastic_works
In b4 wikipedia.

Angel Gomez
Angel Gomez

Catholic, of course he's influenced by the King James Bible.
Yes Tolkien was Catholic, but the King James Bible is the Bible for the Church of England the Catholic Church uses the Catholic Bible.

Parker Moore
Parker Moore

Space Sci-Fi tiers:

1. Russian/Soviet: imaginative, realistic, not affected by religious bullshit. Grounded in the strong mathematical and engineering basis of the USSR's educational system and academia. Ayys are mostly super strange entities that are at the borderline of human intellect to grasp. Groundbreaking and timelessly inspiring. 10/10.

2. Chinese Sci-Fi: Quite similiar to the Russian one as in imaginative concepts footed in realism and cutting edge science/engineering, but a lot darker, pessimistic, and filled with suffering on a galactic scale. Humans usually lose vs the overpowering science aliens. As in losing completely with no twist or happy end. Lacking in some characterization, but making it up with an insanely immersive universe. 9.5/10.

3. US Golden Age Sci-Fi: Pioneers in terms of (then) fresh and interesting concepts and ideas. Established most well recognized tropes of nowadays sci-fi genre. But human characterization is usually pretty shit, since stories were more about the 'world' than individual humans. Also, nowadays most stories read pretty vintage and retro for our tastes. 9/10.

4. Japanese Sci-Fi: Wouldnt actually call that sci-fi, but more politics and economy in spess. LOGH isnt so much sci-fi as it was merely Cold War with !not19th-century aetheticsin 'space'. And modern Japanese sci-fi have nice style, and sometimes even hard-sci-fi designs, but that otaku pandering... Holy hell.
Not really good, but also not bad. A straight 5/10, no need to see me after class.

5. Modern Day American Sci-Fi. Shit. Utter, complete shit. If you want to tell a story about that inane and laughable US system of "presidential election", then please dont use the sci-fi genre like a piece of toilet paper to wipe your shit-filled ass with. Same with big budget shit like Avatar, that are merely SJW environmentalist propaganda made by disney.
US sci-fi is fucking dead. 0/10 see me after class.

Dylan Jenkins
Dylan Jenkins

If you want to tell a story about that inane and laughable US system of "presidential election", then please dont use the sci-fi genre like a piece of toilet paper to wipe your shit-filled ass with.
Not sure if this is better than the president fighting aliens in a jet plane.

Jose Wilson
Jose Wilson

can you recommend me some chinese scifi?
only one I've even heard of is the three body problem

Connor Baker
Connor Baker

This. Russians make the best Sci-Fi. Just look at Solaris or Stalker by Andrei Tarkovsky.
Thanks for the clarification. It still doesn't deny my words that Fantastical stories are progenitors to what Fantasy is. Although I now understand that Fantasy is more based on a different universe then ours.

Connor Thompson
Connor Thompson

That basically.

And that authors other books.

There are also some earlier sci-fi from the 50s and even the 30s. Mostly modern ones by Liu Cixin and Han Song are the most accessible and represent that 'pessimistic feel' the best.

Blake Morgan
Blake Morgan

Or Vasili Golovachov's stuff for the completely opposite end.

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

Three Body is the best.

Althought that ending wasnt as pessimistic as that user said.
Love did bloom on the battlefield at last. Bu only after humanity lost their entire space fleet and millions of lives to a single fucking ayylium probe.

Cooper Morales
Cooper Morales

Why are you browsing this board ?

I'm not trying to insult you or anything, I'm just wondering why you'd browse a board like this if you dislike chink cartoons.

Gabriel Nguyen
Gabriel Nguyen

I enjoy watching Japanese science fiction only for their occassional god-tier designs.

Pic fucking related.

William Foster
William Foster

Not sure why you mentioned Avatar, which is movie self-admittedly made with the intentions of a hack and something about presidential elections.

Logan Carter
Logan Carter

Pretty much this. America has all sorts of space sci-fi. Meanwhile, Japan has two types: space elves or space mechas. It's sad, because I'd really like to read some quality japanese sci-fi, but it just doesn't exist.

Jason Johnson
Jason Johnson

well theres also the space prussians

Adam Russell
Adam Russell

Lem would've been really mad to be called Russian.

Isaiah Hall
Isaiah Hall

Well, yeah. I'm on the party that Alien is a great movie and is the best Sci-Fi Horror film ever made.
Aliens felt like it butchered the feeling of dread and uncertainty of the first film.

That's certainly understandable.

But I think you've misunderstood something.

Alien is a Sci Fi Horror in that you're trapped in a metal tin can with a beastie you can't kill nor injure both due to lack of weapons and its acid blood being fully capable of burning through layers of hull and leaving you exposed to vaccum.

Aliens is a Sci Fi Action flick where you're an armed team of marines inserted into a planetside combat zone.

They're two different genre's.

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

No mention of the greatest Space Opera

Mason Cox
Mason Cox

been mentioned a bunch of times

Logan Fisher
Logan Fisher

You are on Sup Forums, a board populated entirely by people who like anime too much, and even here you are surrounded by people who think you are a being a total weeaboo.

Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

I'm more in the feel of Alien then Aliens, because Aliens is just another project from Cameron that is an action flick. It missed the subtleties of the first film. Sure it was a bunch of Marines that had a mission to take out the infestation, but I personally feel the story was better with the first film.

Connor Rodriguez
Connor Rodriguez

Wait for the Neo. Gunbuster is hard sci-fi

Wyatt Phillips
Wyatt Phillips

The Expanse objectively crushes everything Japan's ever made in space-based sci-fi. The closest they've ever come was Wings of Honneamise, and it spent 98% of the time not in space.

Samuel Morales
Samuel Morales

they're just using more advanced models.

Oliver Davis
Oliver Davis

shit.

1/3rd of the movie spend in MUH AMERICAN FARMER LIFE IS HARD, M'KAY?

who gives a shit about murrican farmers?

Nathaniel Thomas
Nathaniel Thomas

Gunbuster is hard sci-fi
The worst part is that you might actually be serious.

Alexander Evans
Alexander Evans

serious adult crews
except when you have the rogue cowboy mentality guy who might as well be duke nukem shooting things. they act no better than japanese teenagers.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

The fact that every worthwhile post in this thread is talking about old books of the 20th century should tell you all you need to know. And basically this

Finally, you bitch and moan all you want about otakus or whatever the shit you think up, but there's literally nothing lower than current murican sci-fi. Pure garbage. At least anime are still enjoyable and not propaganda tier, toilet humor trash.

Daniel Richardson
Daniel Richardson

This exists, your argument is invalid.

Jonathan Martin
Jonathan Martin

gundam

You should probably kill yourself if you think a toy commercial is ever going to have a good story.

Daniel Taylor
Daniel Taylor

Unfortunately, this is actually true - though after you mounted the thermal control system, some radiation shielding, and so forth, it really would be very sexy.

Noah Martin
Noah Martin

Literally by mentally ill people. Literally.

Thomas Ortiz
Thomas Ortiz

thermal control system
sweat is expected to provide adequate cooling as long as the fabric lets moisture evaporate into vacuum. that's more effective than sweating on earth.

Dylan Howard
Dylan Howard

This is it in a nutshell. American space has a lot more crap because there's a lot more there, but far more if it is actually okay or even good.

American Space is also a vacuum, and sometimes that's relevant.

Aaron Green
Aaron Green

lets moisture evaporate into vacuum

...

But then you'd be losing water. You're job is hard enough already - do you have any idea how much mass that stuff has?

Justin Davis
Justin Davis

20th century should tell you all you need to know

You don't reach a consensus on anything until a couple of decades after the fact. There is stuff of a similar caliber i could mention, but I don't want to turn it into a shitstorm.

Besides. Anime never reached the same peak.

Brandon Watson
Brandon Watson

Can anyone name a Japanese sci-fi that has spurred on a huge amount of world building?

Older sci-fi literature and even more modern media forms such as Star Wars, Star Trek, and so on have large amounts of exposition to build up their respective universes. In the cases such as SW and ST, have huge amounts of expanded material to sort through.

I can't think of anything Japanese that has even attempted that much. They seem to be all be self contained and that any world building elements are simply settings to be given for character development.

Nolan Smith
Nolan Smith

It's harder to regulate temperature than it is to ingest water, in space.

Temperature regulation requires radiators, shielding, a/c, batteries, fluids, ventilation. Meanwhile, drinking water requires a plastic bag and a straw.

Brayden Ross
Brayden Ross

it's not like you want to spend hours in vacuum on a daily basis. and it saves on weight for the suit systems. the overall loss of water due to use of evaporation-cooled space suits would be fairly low.

Tyler Perry
Tyler Perry

Japanese space has magical girls.

Although I'm still waiting for a series that combines magical girls and mecha in space.

Dylan Nelson
Dylan Nelson

Do you mean official works or some sort of expanded universe thing, which basically is professional and sanctioned fanfiction? We probably never hear of the latter.

Austin Miller
Austin Miller

You mean magical girls vs mechas or magical girls in mechas?

Levi King
Levi King

Magical girls in mechas fighting other magical girls in mechas, of course.

Adrian Brown
Adrian Brown

Well, at least we had idols in mechas in space.

Levi Sanchez
Levi Sanchez

Manly men piloting the mecha with a magical girl (in vacuum) as wingman.

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

It's literally airing this very season.

Nathan Hernandez
Nathan Hernandez

actual hard sci-fi

Charles Garcia
Charles Garcia

No, that's not how Japan works.

Aaron Stewart
Aaron Stewart

And it's pure cancer.

Carter Sullivan
Carter Sullivan

Japanese space
Cool.
American space
Boring as fuck and so predictable.

Looking at you Star Kek,

Brayden Clark
Brayden Clark

What? Macross? I thought it was about planes and singing.

Jacob Butler
Jacob Butler

Yeah, but singing is basically magic.

Alexander Ramirez
Alexander Ramirez

i pray they do a great remake of it like FF7. they probably will.

Chase Jenkins
Chase Jenkins

I'll give it a try, but it's probably not what I had in mind.

Justin Richardson
Justin Richardson

I dream of a well made Foundation mini-series or show :~

Isaiah Cox
Isaiah Cox

American Sci-fi:
Mature adults traveling through space.
Believable technology
Diverse alien cultures and planets
Stories range from the human condition to hard action dramas
well designed ships

Japanese sci-fi:
Mankind is inept and never truly ready to go to space
Aliens all have a culture similar to Japan and they all look human
Humanity is portrayed as violent dumbasses who need to be taken down a notch
Stories never stray far from Earth.
Aliens are either violent bugs or godlike beings who have arrived to teach humans something.
Power of friendship, space magic, singing, and love are all that are needed to save the universe

In short Japanese space sci-fi is a joke compared to American Sci-fi. Watch the old 80's sci-fi cartoon like Galaxy Rangers. They make most space/sci-fi anime look like a joke.

Luis Lee
Luis Lee

Gundam literally has the same story line every time. Magical boys piloting oversized robot weapons, and fighting evil corporate militarism. Or magical space colonist fighting to free themselves from evil corporate entities on Earth

Brody Hill
Brody Hill

So, i checked the fight scenes. The girls don't seem space-capable and therefore not matching my criteria

Connor Powell
Connor Powell

Diverse alien cultures and planets
yeah, right. in reality it's more like
Aliens all have a culture similar to Japan and they all look human

Aliens are either violent bugs or godlike beings who have arrived to teach humans something.
murricans are no different. except that the murricans arrive to teach the primitives something.

Daniel Flores
Daniel Flores

Isn't HBO making a Foundation series?

Josiah Thompson
Josiah Thompson

Oh, didn't know that. Hopefully it gets finished.

Benjamin Powell
Benjamin Powell

Lem was polish jew by the way. His books are great tho.

Joshua Jenkins
Joshua Jenkins

I recall Foundation manga , but it wasn't translated

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

Great, isn't it?

Easton Price
Easton Price

Japanese space
What does this even mean?
LoGH
Planetes
Banner of the Stars
Macross
Gundam
Welcome to the Space Show
TTGL
There seems to be a spectrum of things you can choose from.

Anthony Howard
Anthony Howard

If you exclude "highschool + space" (boretsu pirates were good tho) setting there isn't much difference. Just remove earth (or atleast make japan as relevant as other countries), extrapolate human history and it is pretty universal.

There is maybe a thing with focus. Japanese space is more humanocetric than western space. It is like "If I can't be japanocentric, I'll make atleast humans and human inventions look good." Western is more about outside fenomena, alien culture etc.

I'm talking about movies/animes, I've never actually read any jap scifi book. You can't really compare books with movies, because they have different audience.

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

Gundam I guess? It's the closest I can think of, but a lot of the series don't even have anything to do with one another from what I heard so I may be wrong.

Christopher Parker
Christopher Parker

fenomena
you should install a spellchecker

Brayden Russell
Brayden Russell

Are you guys serious? America has long been at the forefront of science fiction. Just because you're uneducated illiterates that think the extent of American sci-fi is Star Wars and Transformers doesn't make that the case. If you want to talk about something that isn't anime, try not to show how fucking ignorant you are on the topic you fucking weebs. This is the equivalent of the newfag that's seen five shows talking about how all anime looks the same and is about the same thing.

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

I do quite like the halo universe.

Kayden Miller
Kayden Miller

magical girls and mecha in space.
So Vividred in space then?

Henry Wilson
Henry Wilson

jap space is more confy
american space is boring as fuck

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

I love that comfy is a thing. It's become such a good short hand to know when people mean "I know it's terrible, but I like it so I am going to avoid admitting how bad it is".

Nicholas Moore
Nicholas Moore

Every good scifi should explore atleast one scientific or ethical aspect that could evolve into something completely new in the future.

What aspect should be explored by anime?

Bentley Lee
Bentley Lee

I'm comfy with myself. You can't do me any harm.

Grayson Harris
Grayson Harris

Proper goddamn dyson spheres. First contact that is not fucking catgirls. Actual colonization.

Sebastian Perez
Sebastian Perez

I like the comfy meme because it baits out tremendous faggots like you who do the exact same thing with the word "shit"

Henry Garcia
Henry Garcia

What aspect should be explored by anime?

They could do literally anything that's not A) space elves/space animal girls, B) mechas, or C) humans were the real monsters all along, and it would be good.

Isaiah Russell
Isaiah Russell

Just like those filthy European when they got to America first.

Camden Collins
Camden Collins

That doesn't quite strike the balance. And it's too lighthearted

What makes the concept great in my mind is that you get tag teams big guy and little girl who have to depend on each other in a war setting.

John Garcia
John Garcia

Besides the effect of a zero G environment on social evolution?
Or how space debris will leave Earth a complete shithole once we can habit anywhere else?

Michael Bell
Michael Bell

C'est n'est pas une sasami confortable.

Dominic Davis
Dominic Davis

It has already been mentioned, read the thread.
Xenogears, and a book.

Robert Lee
Robert Lee

Xenogears anime is more justice than having a Xenosaga anime.

Bamco won't let it happen

Ryder Baker
Ryder Baker

To add in, space sci-fi is not that popular in Japan. They like their own concept of sci-fi element, but space sci-fi is only a minor interest for them. Mostly often their sci-fi revolve around the concept of existential and humanity.

Benjamin Martinez
Benjamin Martinez

I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was good.

Jeremiah Bailey
Jeremiah Bailey

This

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

Square is most at fault here for underestimating it. The game itself game received an unfair treatment with a butchered disc2. I'm surprise it still made an impact despise the handicap.

Luke Ramirez
Luke Ramirez

Legend of Galactic Heroes?

Joseph Nelson
Joseph Nelson

You can't really expect Japanese space to be anywhere close to Soviet or American stories. Its just culture.
Ofcourse I prefer Americans over russian space because russian feels more like the author's soapbox then a genuine attempt at world building. It feels disgusting how blantant authors are in some of their works. Hated 1984 and brave new world for those reasons.

Alexander Bennett
Alexander Bennett

pretty much that.
Space opera was never a Japanese thing, if anything they grasp better any country at is Mono no Aware.

Ryan Foster
Ryan Foster

tfw Grandma is a filthy rooskie
tfw she's securely locked in the home for crazy old folk

I should really learn more about that part of the family, just not from that horrible woman.

Thomas Morales
Thomas Morales

Welcome to Sup Forums, where 98% of population never read something akin to Ringworld.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

An okay film bogged down by weird pacing spikes and a half-assed love goes the distance story.

Joseph Anderson
Joseph Anderson

Ringworld

That was a pretty fun novel. Too bad that ringworld constructs are now associated primarily with Halo, though.

Robert White
Robert White

Should have been directed by Steven Spielberg.

Jack Robinson
Jack Robinson

It's probably a bad thing that my favorite space sci-fi came from a game.

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

Halo shit is nothing akin to Ringworld which was FUCKHUEG and powered by pure Pak SCIENCE.

Elijah Davis
Elijah Davis

Honestly, I think that if Cameron tried to emulate the atmosphere of Alien, then it would be criticized for not being able to hold a candle to the atmosphere of the original flick. He probably realized that as well and decided that it'd be better to genre shift rather than continue on with the horror theme.

I mean, what horror sequels are considered superior to the originals? I'm honestly drawing a bit of a blank.

Jace Nelson
Jace Nelson

There is literally nothing bad in Homeworld. Ever.

Mason Reed
Mason Reed

Great game with a great story. Can't complain.

Jason Collins
Jason Collins

Well, yeah. I'm saying that if you talk in this day and age about ring world constructs, the first thing people are going to think isn't some novel from the 70's. They're going to say "Oh, like Halo, right?"

Owen Turner
Owen Turner

I mean, what horror sequels are considered superior to the originals? I'm honestly drawing a bit of a blank.

I've never seen a single one. Literally every horror sequel is a dim shadow of its predecessor unless it takes a genre shift, such as Aliens to Alien, or Dead Space 2 to Dead Space 1.

Ayden Harris
Ayden Harris

You forgot great music.

Easton Ortiz
Easton Ortiz

Kharak is burning
;_;

Hudson Myers
Hudson Myers

The subject did not survive the interrogation.

Jason Gonzalez
Jason Gonzalez

jew
Not really, his parents had jewish roots but he was raised like catholic and due to some reasons unknown to me he called himself atheist.

Christian Thomas
Christian Thomas

Well, part of the experience is reading the manual.

Jace Rodriguez
Jace Rodriguez

I still have mine sitting around somewhere. for a long time I couldn't get it to work on my computer so I just read the manual and dreamed.

Oliver Anderson
Oliver Anderson

We need a Homeworld anime series or manga series dedicated to spaceship battles dedicated to it.

Logan Russell
Logan Russell

We also need a 40k anime. A man can dream.

Luis Sullivan
Luis Sullivan

Albion Prelude was good you mong.

Mason Morgan
Mason Morgan

actual hard sci-fi that isn't a vessel for otaku pandering
Yeah, let's discount all the sci-fi zines that were floating around in Japan during the 70s and any number of critically acclaimed science fiction entries that have since emerged from Japan's big scifi boom

Liam Edwards
Liam Edwards

American farmers will colonized space
They work best on frontiers

Liam Ortiz
Liam Ortiz

actually a legitimate media pursuit unlike japs
Only the literature.

Logan Lee
Logan Lee

tfw you will never see an anime version of Rendezvous With Rama, or even a live-action version of it

Jason Perry
Jason Perry

mfw Crest/Banner of the Stars has been going on just as long as GoT.

Christ.

Owen Butler
Owen Butler

Japanese space
There is no such thing. All of space is American.

Luis Scott
Luis Scott

A decent film made by a hack British director

Christopher Sullivan
Christopher Sullivan

So is /lit/'s definition of "pulp" any piece of literature that more than several thousand people enjoyed?

Noah Scott
Noah Scott

For the Nips, a dystopian future is like a beer, wanted and appreciated every so often.
For Murica, it's like crack, we fucking want every goddamn second, and it better be fuckin strong.

Cameron Walker
Cameron Walker

For the Nips, a dystopian future is like a beer, wanted and appreciated every so often.

Dude, the japs are enormous alcoholics. This is a really bad comparison for Japan.

Justin Taylor
Justin Taylor

Listing Avatar with the greats
initiatingsoutherndrawl.exe
That's a good ol' paddlin' you lined up yaself, boy

Carter Lewis
Carter Lewis

do you enjoy asking stupid questions

Anthony Jackson
Anthony Jackson

I was trying to go for relatively compared to Murica, but you're probably right

Andrew Walker
Andrew Walker

Fuck, that is beautiful animation. I wish anime still looked like this.

Jaxson Ramirez
Jaxson Ramirez

Too many frames to animate and no digital shortcuts taken.

Thomas Russell
Thomas Russell

Murican saying Murica
And yes, it is clear as fuck you are because you don't realize America is globally know for their terribly shit alcohol. Budweiser is a joke.
Blame prohibition but Americans are definitely near the bottom of the alcoholics chart, above the middle-east.

Oliver Barnes
Oliver Barnes

What about locally produced shit?

Carson Parker
Carson Parker

micro brew meme
I can't believe its actually true.

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

Well I can get that, but in that case crack was a bad example because crack really isn't a big deal here. You would have been better off with a nice staple like McDonalds or Taco Bell or some shit, because Americans are literally addicted to fast food.

America is globally know for their terribly shit alcohol

Only by complete idiots. The microbrews of the Southwest are arguably some of the best beers on the planet. We just don't export our good shit to ungrateful yurofags like yourself, so you just get the Alcoholic's Piss brands.

Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

What, that micro brews exist? They're huge in America.

Oliver Garcia
Oliver Garcia

I can't believe it. I always thought it was just /int/ banter but Americans actually say this shit?

Kevin Wright
Kevin Wright

I'm just wondering why you're shocked by that.

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

Alcohol-to-Crack user here, just want to ask you, Why do you think everyone does crack over here? Believe me, I know full well that Murican alcohol is shit-tier at best.

Jason Phillips
Jason Phillips

Well I had a five paragraph comment typed out explaining shit to you, but then my browser crashed. I'm too lazy to retype it all, so here's the short version:

Assuming you're not a memeing anti-America autist, come to Sand Diego. The whole county has the best beer in the nation, and there's microbrews every other shop in the downtown of every city. The Lost Abbey in particular has some excellent, albeit expensive, high alcohol ales that are to die for.

Don't waste your time believing trolls on Sup Forums, experience shit for yourself, America may export shit beer, but we make some pretty good shit for domestic drinking.

Josiah Edwards
Josiah Edwards

What else do you want to call them? There's a few in my town that are no bigger than a corner store.

Christian Rodriguez
Christian Rodriguez

Or Yamato, Or Macross, Or Knights of Sidonia, those are the three on the top of my head but It's hardly a minority.

There are a ton of aliens in anime.

Jason Richardson
Jason Richardson

muh microbrews

James Williams
James Williams

Evil Dead 2 is the only one that comes close that comes to mind.

Lucas Morgan
Lucas Morgan

Funny, but you're stupid if you take that seriously.

It's not a direct sequel, but I think Resident Evil 4 was by far the most frightening of the franchise despite being the fourth. I don't know if that's just because of technical advancements from previous games, but I remember the first time I played it I had to stop for a bit after finding the woman pinned up with a pitchfork. And after the whole village goes ape on you and you realize that these "zombies" are intelligent is when I really shit myself and started sweating like a fat pig and desperately trying not to die.

Angel Fisher
Angel Fisher

Firstly they're called microbreweries because the scale of industrial brewing is fucking collosal. Orders of magntude smaller and you call them microbreweries.
Secondly, Beer is beer no matter where you brew it.
It's how you make it that's important, and for some reason Americans like their lightly flavoured light beers, so that's what gets made the most.
If stouts sold better they'd be making more stouts.

Christopher Baker
Christopher Baker

implying that IPAs aren't plague status in the microbrew scene

IPAs are the antithesis of light. They're basically battery acid with wheat that was fermented. I even saw this was that had DISTILLED HOP OILS added after being brewed with double hops.

Logan Lee
Logan Lee

A godawful movie, everything after the moment he fell in the blackhole was unadulterated trash.

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

Weeaboos are a blight on humanity.

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