It's a Japanese transported into a fantasy world LN

Robert Reed
Robert Reed

it's a Japanese transported into a fantasy world LN
the characters inexplicably speak and write a language almost identical to Japanese
but are given vaguely European-inspired names like "Fettes Schwein" and "Fille Facile" that should be impossible to spell in said language
they live in a society modeled after European medieval civilization
but operate off of inexplicably Japanese social etiquette, like bowing when apologizing, knights sitting in seiza, saying "itadakimasu" and clapping their hands together before every meal, etc.
MOST IMPORTANTLY
all the background characters wears crude medieval clothing that in general indicates that modern textiles haven't been invented yet
but the heroines inexplicably have access to panties and bras and cute thighhigh socks with elastic fabrics anyways
I can't be the only one bothered by this shit.

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William Rogers
William Rogers

I can't be the only one bothered by this shit.
If you had lurked for a bit you'd have seen all the other cliche greentext threads that preceded yours.
Actually, I am sure you saw them. You just want to restart the same old argument again.

Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

tfw 2 days before Re:Zero airs

Kayden Bennett
Kayden Bennett

like bowing when apologizing
This isn't just a Japanese thing you know.
I personally bow when apologizing to people all the time IRL.

Thomas Collins
Thomas Collins

reading LNs
You brought this upon yourself.

Jacob Baker
Jacob Baker

WOW
THIS JAPANESE ANIME WRITTEN BY A JAPANESE PERSON FOR JAPANESE PEOPLE IS KIND OF JAPANESE
WHO
WOULD'VE
THOUGHT?

Owen White
Owen White

I'm new to anime : The post.

Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

Most of the things you said are a consequence of writers not having a deep knowledge of the type of culture they are trying to represent.

Just take a look at any western story based on Japan or China, you'll see the same kind of shit.

One of the oldest example is the story of Aladdin. Written by an Arab, supposed to be set in China with Chinese characters, it has nothing to do with China.

Oliver Lopez
Oliver Lopez

One of the oldest example is the story of Aladdin. Written by an Arab, supposed to be set in China with Chinese characters, it has nothing to do with China.
Wait.
Seriously?

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

Just take a look at any western story based on Japan or China, you'll see the same kind of shit.
Name one.
In my experience most western stories set in Japan or China go way, way too far in the other direction instead and have the characters act in a cartoonishly exaggerated way to what the writer believes oriental culture is like and try their hardest to emphasize the foreign quality of the setting. You usually end up with shit like, "Ken-SAN apologized profusely, bending his head to the TATAMI mat while expressing the deep SHAME he had brought to his KAZOKU, his family, begging that he be given YURUSHIMASU, or forgiveness."

Tyler Scott
Tyler Scott

To be sure, most of it can be handwaved away as convenience and unfamiliarity with western cultures, but you simply can't explain people having Germanic names in a setting where they speak Japanese. How do you write "Reinhard van Astrea" in a language that doesn't have characters for half those syllables? レインハルト ヴァン アストレア is a far cry from the original.

Jeremiah Allen
Jeremiah Allen

Code Geass
Japan is a conquered colony of Britannia
speaking Japanese is expressly forbidden
somehow all the characters in Ashford Academy still refer to each other with Japanese honorifics

Gavin Williams
Gavin Williams

One of the oldest example is the story of Aladdin. Written by an Arab, supposed to be set in China with Chinese characters
There are no wish granting beings in China.

Wyatt Edwards
Wyatt Edwards

Is that you, Ken?

Levi Scott
Levi Scott

Nigga have you ever even glanced at Chinese literature.

There is wish granting on a fucking massive scale. They don't come in the form of a big blue genie but it's there.

Connor Walker
Connor Walker

Fille facile
Est-ce qu'elle est mignonne ? C'est tout ce qui compte.

Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

Easy.
In said fantasy culture, tradition is to give children names from an antiquated classical language that's fallen out of common use.
It's fucking fantasy, anything can be handwaved.

Austin Hernandez
Austin Hernandez

Yeah. The west tends to go overboard emulating the exoticness of a foreign culture's way of life, while the east just roughly imitates the aesthetic and pretends that cultures different to their own don't exist beyond the way clothes look and swords shaped.

Westerners like seeing the ways that other people live and do things, but don't give enough of a shit to do their proper research. Nips don't want to see how other people live their lives and do things, but they love the way things look, so they just insert their culture into a different style and backdrop.

Logan Phillips
Logan Phillips

they just insert their culture into a different style and backdrop.

Not him. But thats like one of the reasons why I actually watch animu.

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

So you can watch a blonde, blue-eyed beauty in a Dragon Quest-esque setting stammer "i-it's not like I like you anything, generic protagonist-kun, don't get the wrong idea! I just helped out because I felt like it, that's all! Idiot!"?

Justin Gonzalez
Justin Gonzalez

Me too.
I'd much rather have something familiar with a fresh coat of exotic paint than some comical, almost racist effigy of something the creators clearly don't understand but tried to pretend they did anyways.

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

Weebs don't count.

Aaron Hill
Aaron Hill

Did they really name a girl Fille Facile?

Chase Nelson
Chase Nelson

How do you write "Reinhard van Astrea"
Reinhard:
Written as: 勧勇
Furigana going Ra I N Haa To
"advice" and hard "brave, hardy".
Van is easy with Japanese and Astrea is a fictional place anyway.

Camden Turner
Camden Turner

So if it's pronounced "Rainhaato" AND written as "Rainhaato" in the setting, where the hell does "Reinhard" come from?

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

So if it's pronounced "Rainhaato"
By necessity because the voice actors can only do Japanese syllables anyway.
AND written as "Rainhaato" in the setting,
No it isn't.

Grayson Evans
Grayson Evans

This is the one thing that gets to me, no matter how many tropes a writer manages to avoid this one sticks out painfully with characters felling awkward or being disrespectful for dropping the -san in names.

Angel Kelly
Angel Kelly

isn't that more or less the same problem as dropping accents when going from other romance languages to english

Christian Long
Christian Long

people think a shitty mobage like GO is worth playing

Elijah Johnson
Elijah Johnson

Fille Facile
Holy shit, 10/10, been laughing for 20s straight.

David Rogers
David Rogers

Can't you just assume that the Britannia Empire uses a fictional variant of English that happens to have direct equivalents to all the Japanese honorifics used in the show?

Nolan Bailey
Nolan Bailey

Can't you just assume
No

Thomas Sanders
Thomas Sanders

Their spoken language is literally identical to Japanese, m8. It isn't the voice actors being only able to do Japanese, the characters literally are speaking Japanese give or take a few things.

Jordan James
Jordan James

So what's your problem?
You don't want medieval anime?

Then don't watch them.

Dylan Edwards
Dylan Edwards

Or in other words, kind of like a guy being named "John" but not pronouncing his name as "יוֹחָנָן".

Hudson Morgan
Hudson Morgan

I can't be the only one bothered by this shit.
No. You're only the one you special snowflake.

William Hughes
William Hughes

But that's not a romance language.

Jace Rodriguez
Jace Rodriguez

It's a reborn from a fantasy world into a different fantasy world story

Carson Cook
Carson Cook

The problem is characters running around with names lifted out of one language speaking another language that's completely incompatible pronunciation-wise.

It's not even hard to avoid the problem. Just give all the characters Japanese names or made-up exotic names assembled from Japanese kana if you want them to be speaking Japanese in the setting.

Xavier White
Xavier White

But its a fantasy world. There is no reason it has to be set to imitate only one real world culture.

Caleb Lopez
Caleb Lopez

It gave us Jalter, so it was all worth it.

Lincoln Kelly
Lincoln Kelly

The problem is characters running around with names lifted out of one language speaking another language that's completely incompatible pronunciation-wise.
You mean like 90% of Americans?

Gavin Bennett
Gavin Bennett

Most of the time they're not really speaking Japanese. It's just represented that way for the audience's benefit.

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

I disagree.
People should be allowed to use words and phrases from outside their cultural birthplace.
Especially the English language is infamous for it anyway.

Bentley Brooks
Bentley Brooks

... yoanah?

William Torres
William Torres

It gave us Babbage and Edison so it's fine. Also made Kojirou the dragonslayer a thing.

Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

That's fucking boring. It's all fantasy, there's no reason to do that.

Christian Myers
Christian Myers

I see nothing wrong with that.

Blake Moore
Blake Moore

Then don't make the fantasy people speak Japanese in the first place? That's even more fucking boring and literally only there as a convenience so the author doesn't have to come up with a reason that the Japanese MC can understand the foreign language they're speaking.

Aiden Flores
Aiden Flores

watch Japanese media
complain about characters speaking Japanese
/co/

James Baker
James Baker

Then don't make the fantasy people speak Japanese in the first place?

Why bother? Only autists like you care that much. In worlds full of magic and shit it's nothing much for question.

James Gray
James Gray

Yeah, just make the MC have to learn the language for a few years while doing nothing but slave labour, sounds interesting.

Nicholas Cooper
Nicholas Cooper

I too played Aselia.

Nicholas Gutierrez
Nicholas Gutierrez

Or use a magic translation tool?

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

let's ignore all inconsistencies in a setting because only "autists" care about shit like that

Elijah Taylor
Elijah Taylor

So just asspull a magic translation tool or make them super common in the world so it's like the language was never an issue in the first place, nice.

Lucas Howard
Lucas Howard

The Troy movie was in English.
The Disney Aladdin was in English.
The trilogy of the man without a name was (partially) in Italian.
People really don't care. They just want the actors to speak a language the actors can speak and, if it's mainstream, a language that the audience can understand.
Something like Glorious Bastards is very rare.

Christian Stewart
Christian Stewart

Fantasy stuff usually justifies this by magic language translation that doesn't work on written language
ie everyone SPEAKS japanese but the actual language is something else entirely

Jacob Rogers
Jacob Rogers

Everyone liked narcos. That shit needs to be more common.

Carter Reed
Carter Reed

but you simply can't explain people having Germanic names in a setting where they speak Japanese
Reinhardo-sama can't spell his own name

Brandon Sullivan
Brandon Sullivan

Astrid Lindgren did it.

Adrian Davis
Adrian Davis

plays Neptunia
complains about inconsistent settings
wew lad

William Rodriguez
William Rodriguez

Those movies come with the implicit assumption that the characters are speaking another language in-universe and the English is just a translation for the viewers.

That's not the case for shit like No Game No Life and Re:Zero, where the main character literally states that the spoken language of the fantasy world is nearly identical to Japanese and only the written form is different.

Asher Brooks
Asher Brooks

The Troy movie was in English.
program language in English and programs interacting with their creators in English
setting in America
American programmers intentionally make their programs speak English

Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

Those movies come with the implicit assumption that the characters are speaking another language in-universe
Just like anime then.

That's not the case for shit like No Game No Life
I seem to remember them practicing language, but in any case, this is bottom of the barrel shit and the writing has more holes than the stuff I wrote when I was 13. If you're going to watch that kind of story, you have no right to complain.

Carson Gonzalez
Carson Gonzalez

Now I'm imagining a modern web novel about a regular Japanese high school boy being reincarnated into Legend of the Galactic Heroes with a cheat skill. Also all the characters are now cute girls.

Parker Roberts
Parker Roberts

I'm talking about the movie with this Greek dude.

Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

Japanese high school boy dies
comes back to life shortly after
brings peace to both sides

Oh shit I think I'm going blind. I thought you typed Tron.

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

I seem to remember them practicing language
They were practicing reading it.

Luke Stewart
Luke Stewart

Could there have been any doubt?

Andrew Young
Andrew Young

revives the dead and then ascends to the heavens to smite the invading Chinese who are trespassing on Japanese soil
Second coming when?

Ryan Bailey
Ryan Bailey

That's quite an autistic question theme and question aesthetics, firstly LNs are simply for light reading, they share the same quality reading and level of writing that a middle school writing piece could have, they're in another world there's something called quantum physics in the many possible worlds you just ended up in some convenient world that has a language phonetics just like the one you are used to, but with differences that another language can have and lastly these light type of texts are supposed to be read with suspension of disbelief simply for your enjoyment, you want some actual story that can be considered go read wheel of time or war & peace etc.

Aiden King
Aiden King

oni sama shall not exist in this thread

Kevin Ward
Kevin Ward

it's a Japanese transported into the past mobage
the past characters inexplicably speak modern Japanese
even though they come from a variety of eras and western civilizations
they're heroes hailing from European medieval civilizations
but look like cute teenage girls dressed in fetishistic anime wear
MOST IMPORTANTLY
Galahad apparently walked around looking like a prostitute in the most stripperiffic armor you can imagine
it's basically a school swimsuit with metal bits attached to it with a belly window and slut heels and zettai ryouiki

Connor Rivera
Connor Rivera

F A N T A SY
W O R L D

Asher Lopez
Asher Lopez

No Game No Life
I thought it was hilarious that the anime bullshat the written language into being just Japanese written in the Latin alphabet because they couldn't handle Inmanity being an unholy abomination of three different languages mixed together, with the grammatical structure of a fourth like the ln said it was.

Caleb James
Caleb James

They get magical knowledge of the era they're in so they can better serve their master

Brody Johnson
Brody Johnson

The same fucking threads every day thing is making me suicidal.

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

Gladiators, Mercenaries and Berserkers like to wear showy gear and sometimes literally nothing at all it's only knights that like to go full plate armor.

Anthony Smith
Anthony Smith

FGO deals with the living incarnations of Heroic Spirits too though.

It might be better to justify it the other way around, with Chaldea stuffing the MC's brain with the required magical knowledge instead or providing translation assistance.

Connor Barnes
Connor Barnes

Mashu starts out speaking English when they first arrive in Orleans, so presumably you're just meant to assume that everyone is inexplicably fluent in multiple languages, including the ancient past equivalents.

Chase Morales
Chase Morales

Hell, Berserker literally means "wears a bear pelt"
Their title was entirely a fashion statement.

Michael Thompson
Michael Thompson

I personally bow when apologizing to people all the time IRL.
all the time
ALL
THE
TIME

Ayden Brown
Ayden Brown

European-inspired names like "Fettes Schwein"
heh

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

It is a matter of convenience, yes, because the entire existence of an LN itself is a matter of convenience. An LN is the paperback equivalent of gas station sushi, you are figuratively agonizing over the quality of gas station sushi. The comparison to McDonalds some people make isn't super accurate, gas station sushi can give you cholera, McDonalds rarely does.

Your LN is a story about a fish out of water self insert protagonist who is somehow transported into a fantasy world/MMO. What language do the people on the fantasy world/MMO speak?

Answer: Japanese.

It is what the audience speaks. Therefore it is the most convenient language.

Nobody gives a shit if they take 2 sentences to explain why or not, because the people who are reading this are currently sitting on a bus on their way to a 9-to-5 job at Zaibatsu Corporation, or some dumb whale-spender hikki-NEET who has started reading this LN because of the shitty 2/10 anime produced last season by A-1 Pictures.

Easton Carter
Easton Carter

Babbage is a steam powered robot, Edison is Leomon, Tesla is a fucking kamen rider, Helena Blavatsky is a loli, the Roman Emperor Nero was a blond exhibitionist shortstack, I could go on and on about this.

Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

LN thread?

Who here got their copy of shieldbro vol 4 already? I believe some shipped out already while the rest of the plebians have to wait for june(me included)

Brody Ross
Brody Ross

MC gets transported in to magical world
can magically understand everyone's speech
but not so magically can't understand written form

Seriously fuck this. If he can understand speech he should get text by same stupid logic.

Josiah Bailey
Josiah Bailey

Came here to post this

Camden Long
Camden Long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDiEiXIhlA0
This is a Japanese Jeanne d' Arc (altered).
Why is she so perfect?

Dominic Morris
Dominic Morris

To be fair, the first three all seem to be added quirks from being Servants rather than accurate representations of what they looked like in life.

Blake Taylor
Blake Taylor

This is Japanese Shirou.

Joshua Hughes
Joshua Hughes

Fille Facile
Fille Facile means easy girl in French. It's usually used to describe a slut.

Connor Williams
Connor Williams

And write a new language for every new book written and forcing people to learn them? Sounds like a plan.

Andrew Johnson
Andrew Johnson

It's a reborn hero being stuck in the body of a fairy, and end up fucking all the girls manga

Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

fille facile
my sides, la salope

Michael Gutierrez
Michael Gutierrez

early flashbacks had him having a grown man's body before getting elf'd
later it's revealed he was just another shota

Damn this author and his love for shota.

Eli Cook
Eli Cook

You do realize you don't necessarily have to write an actual language to convey the idea of learning a new language in a story.

Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

I share a birthday with Tolkien

Jordan Walker
Jordan Walker

It's a japanese love story with mystical twists WN
the characters inexplicably get a phone number to another universe that also uses the same technology, speaks the same language and whatnot
but are given vaguely different phone codes
they live in the same nowaday civilization but with 'MAGIC TECHNOLOGY' that has no explanation
he manages to get phone of the girl he loves in this dimension in another fucking universe
MOST IMPORTANTLY
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.

Jordan Hall
Jordan Hall

Even Tolkien did not write the whole book in elvish , plus he is a special snowflake that almost noone can emulate.
Try thinking of hundreds of fantasy books each in a different language .

Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

sexualizing a sword (female)

Mason Adams
Mason Adams

It's a demon giving demonic dick STD to high school girls episode

Michael Carter
Michael Carter

Even Tolkien did not write the whole book in elvish
Yes but he emulated the book being a translation and having multiple languages very well.

Zachary Johnson
Zachary Johnson

How many quartz for a go at her gacha?

Eli Evans
Eli Evans

Here I'll add another one.

either they use a decimalized currency divided into 10000 coppers = 100 silver = 1 gold, and conveniently one copper roughly equals one yen
or they use a totally made up currency that just like the yen has no subdivisions and one unit of made up currency is roughly equal to one yen

Seriously Japan, even fucking Harry Potter knew not to have decimalization when creating a fictional old-fashioned currency.

Owen Fisher
Owen Fisher

they draw from foreign languages to give the characters names
even though this causes the names to make no etymological sense

Thomas Lee
Thomas Lee

Decimalization isn't that far fetched though and it's convenient for the reader, no one wants to learn the currency system of a light novel.

Carter Perry
Carter Perry

Kojirou the dragonslayer

Got the screencap? I missed it.

Logan Miller
Logan Miller

Maybe in their fictional history, it does make etymological sense.

Some real words have some seriously fucked up etymological history, yo. Anything's possible.

Justin Ward
Justin Ward

Decimalisation was historically the exception, not the rule. It wasn't until the 1700s after the Russian ruble was decimalised that it started to take off. Non decimal currencies were better suited to a medieval setting for convenience without widespread accurate weighing apparatus or calculators.

no one wants to learn the currency system
They don't have to, nobody paid attention to them in Harry Potter either but they were there because it was consistent with the setting of 'England, but trapped in the past'.

Alexander Bell
Alexander Bell

adventurers can learn numerous kinds of useful skills even at a low level
also have access to a number of convenient tools exclusively used by adventurers
somehow the rest of society completely fails to make use of these in any way whatsoever

Sometimes there's a half-hearted attempt to explain this by relegating the most useful utilities to magicians and making magic aptitude a rare skill to have, but even then there's a ton of useful skills that the physical classes can learn that could be applied to more mundane work like farming and construction work, but for some reasons farmers and construction workers just don't go learn them.

Hunter Reyes
Hunter Reyes

You're forgetting that to activate these moves they need to yell at the top of their lungs the name of the move. Do you really want a field full of farmers screaming "DRAGON BREAKER!" whenever they toil the fields?

Ethan Hughes
Ethan Hughes

Do you really want a field full of farmers screaming "DRAGON BREAKER!" whenever they toil the fields?
I never knew I wanted to see this.

Benjamin Ramirez
Benjamin Ramirez

For the Romans one Denarius was 1/48th of a pound of silver, I don't think it's far fetched at all for it to be 1/100th of a pound of silver in a fantasy world.

Also, apart from the yen this is pretty much how all currency is isn't it?

either they use a decimalized currency divided into 10000 coppers = 100 silver = 1 gold, and conveniently one copper roughly equals one yen

Austin Clark
Austin Clark

This reminds me.

Those fucking adventurer ID cards that pop up in every web novel that for whatever reason are incredibly advanced in function compared to everything else, to the point of being basically fucking magical touch smartphones in some series?

You know what really rustles my jimmies about them?

How the fucking adventurer's guild can hand them out like candy to adventurers, but still use a fucking pen and paper notice board in the main lobby of the guild. Literally what's stopping them from erecting a giant adventurer card to serve as a self-updating notice board instead?

Cooper Robinson
Cooper Robinson

One of the oldest example is the story of Aladdin. Written by an Arab, supposed to be set in China with Chinese characters, it has nothing to do with China.
You're fucking with me, right? This can't be true. It's nothing like China.

Jeremiah Sanders
Jeremiah Sanders

I do too, and I realise how much of a weabo I've become.

Jonathan Fisher
Jonathan Fisher

Based Sasaki. I'll level him up one day.

Caleb Kelly
Caleb Kelly

light spirits to light dark areas are a basic necessity for adventurers
everyone else still uses candles and torches to light their homes

Samuel Torres
Samuel Torres

not knowing about shillings and half pence

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

implying this isn't exactly how the Crimson Demon clan does their farmwork

Kayden Cruz
Kayden Cruz

Also, apart from the yen this is pretty much how all currency is isn't it?
either they use a decimalized currency divided into 10000 coppers = 100 silver = 1 gold, and conveniently one copper roughly equals one yen
Firstly as I said, in the past you'd have currencies like British 1 pound = 20 shillings = 240 pence = 960 farthings; Spanish 1 peso = 8 reales = 680 maravedíes; Indian 1 rupee = 16 annas = 64 paise = 192 pies; Roman 1 aureus = 25 denarii = 100 sestertii = 400 asses = 1600 quadrantes.

And also not every unit of every currency equals 100 yen. However in pretty much all the isekai WNs out there somehow conveniently if you were to put together a consumer basket that would cost 10000 yen in Japan this also somehow costs 10000 (fantasy currency), with exact conversion, magically.

Kevin Torres
Kevin Torres

Fantasy world with leveling/abilities
Craftsmen don't acquire/only have the more basic of skills that would make their jobs easier or at least open more options
This implies that you can only level up through combat and that using said-skills for practical purposes gains no Exp whatsoever
Shit fantasy world mechanics.

Lincoln Lee
Lincoln Lee

However in pretty much all the isekai WNs out there somehow conveniently if you were to put together a consumer basket that would cost 10000 yen in Japan this also somehow costs 10000
Oh, I didn't get what you were talking about, I don't think I've seen that.

William Baker
William Baker

Engrish names are cool as fuck in Nipland.
They are absolutely hilarious everywhere else.
Let me set the record straight: We need MORE Heart-Under-Blades, not less!

Henry Butler
Henry Butler

Which is strange, because a ton of MMOs have crafting skills.

Benjamin Stewart
Benjamin Stewart

Now we need a WN about an isekai MC who wants to become the most powerful farmer in the world, powerleveling the fuck out of farming and the farming skill tree. Eventually he even gets to class change to geneticist and starts growing GMO produce.

Then he defeats the demon king with his god-class tomatoes.

Alexander Richardson
Alexander Richardson

It's why I get up in the morning.

Asher Hall
Asher Hall

Well, this image brings back some memories.
I had a collection of these image edits.
But then I lost it

Luis Flores
Luis Flores

I hate that shit. With even the barest knowledge in economics would know that a straight up conversion that would makes no sense. You would have to compare purchasing power per unit of currency to even get close to a comparison. It's stupid shit like this that really break immersion whenever I'm reading. There is no fucking way a 1 gold coins is what ever stupid yen conversion the author is using. They don't even think about the differences in industrial capabilities and cost of living into those comparisons.

Blake Brooks
Blake Brooks

Now that you've lost it..

Robert Scott
Robert Scott

I feel the same about science fiction

implying space societies will be built on Japanese lines

Angel Taylor
Angel Taylor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-xqUcutxv4
TA GUEULE

Ok I didn't expect this, best servant indeed.

Cameron Ortiz
Cameron Ortiz

Most reincarnation series are cheap generic crap to get easy money. They don't bother to create an actual fantasy world since otaku will buy this shit nonetheless.

Jacob Smith
Jacob Smith

The reincarnation helps it stand out, fantasy worlds are pretty much fanfic tier at this point.

Hunter Roberts
Hunter Roberts

The reincarnation helps it stand out
Not when everyone else is doing it.
Straight fantasy is probably more unusual in Japan at this point.

Levi Adams
Levi Adams

The reincarnation helps it stand out

Justin Green
Justin Green

The movie with Jackie Chan and the nigger cop. Any movie with either of those two actors where they end up in china.

Tyler Smith
Tyler Smith

the annoying thing is simply googling "At first I was like but then I lost it" turns up nothing.

John Torres
John Torres

Most "fantasy" settings in Japanese fiction are really just "Dragon Quest" settings.

Xavier Kelly
Xavier Kelly

People get a lot more interested when there's a reincarnation gimmick, a novel about a girl that gets reincarnated as a spider is a lot more interesting than a novel about a hero in a fantasy world.

Writers need more gimmicks desu, even mundane sounding stuff would be interesting.

Gabriel Carter
Gabriel Carter

universe runs off video game logic and sense of progression, even when the setting isn't ostensibly a video game

Nathaniel Thomas
Nathaniel Thomas

Yeah, both in the east and west it's either based on the popular fantasy series or based on mythology.

Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

plus he is a special snowflake that almost noone can emulate
There's the guy who made the setting for Ar Tonelico. He wrote at least 6 different languages.

Jacob Myers
Jacob Myers

looks more like india desu

Isaiah Bennett
Isaiah Bennett

The setting does run off videogame logic and progression but there are other universes that don't necessarily need it (shieldbro)
a universe runs of videogame logic and sense of progression because some asshole god programmed it in and it's fucking the world sideways. (kumo)

Jack Ramirez
Jack Ramirez

That's because Disney did the sensible thing for once and scrubbed all references to China out of the tale and just set it in Generic Middle Eastern Kingdom.

Owen Cruz
Owen Cruz

and it's fucking the world sideways
D dindu nuffin', her system saved the world from shitting itself in the first place and it's only because Kuro is such an awful pushover damegami that things got this bad again.

That, and the fucking elves.

Andrew Richardson
Andrew Richardson

Let me set the record straight: We need MORE Heart-Under-Blades, not less!
But that's not even an English name. It's just a description of how the kanji for Shinobu (忍, which is heart (心) under blade(刀)) looks. It was never a serious name, just a joke.

David Bennett
David Bennett

While yes, the FUCKING ELVES did it, There are lots glitches in the system that D never bothered to debug and clearly doesn't help. Not to mention that the kindness thingy is also a problem.

Kevin Allen
Kevin Allen

shitty LNs have shit writing and world building

Thanks for opening my eyes OP.

Blake James
Blake James

fantasy must be limited to reality
You seem like a real joy.

Robert Morgan
Robert Morgan

How do we fix fantasy web novels?

Nicholas Thomas
Nicholas Thomas

I've always doubted the idea of an Adventurer's guild.

It seems to me most of their functions (monster hunting) would be better performed by the local government and its armed forces. The idea of any country being comfortable with what are essentially mercenary headquarters being established in every major city seems silly to begin with.

Jeremiah Wood
Jeremiah Wood

Remove isekai.

Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

The adventurers guild is the fantasy version of a pyramid scheme.

Dylan Edwards
Dylan Edwards

Sounds like that D&D session where a pc had the church bless his soil and watered his tomatoes and garlic with holy water.
At the end of it the final boss vampire and when all hope was lost the farmer pc pointed out that every step of growing the things was holy and sanctified.

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

Local governments and municipalities sometimes place bounties on varmints to encourage hunters and factor hunting into their pest elimination programs, and sometimes contract hunters to cull populations. It's not far off from adventurers guilds.

Jose Cook
Jose Cook

Yeah, that shit gets pretty bad.
And the characters always fuss over honorifics and shit, and ask if it's alright to call them by their first name even immediately after introducing themselves by first name then last name.
I also see Japanese characters automatically assuming they need to introduce their names in the reverse order immediately after being summoned or whatever, as well as 'black hair, black eyes' being rare traits instead of yellow ski and flat facial features, AKA oriental features.

It just goes to show they aren't going to try to do any actual world building and just come up with shit off the top of their head.

Hudson Wood
Hudson Wood

The original Aladdin in 1001 Arabian Nights starred a Chinese guy who falls in love with the daughter of a Far East ruler. Whole story takes place in China.

Gavin Taylor
Gavin Taylor

It honestly doesn't bother me that much.

What really makes me want to pull my hair is the western name with some japanese tacked onto it or vice versa. You know, stuff like Jeanne Kaguya D'arc or Haruka Lovely Morishima.

Benjamin Ward
Benjamin Ward

yeah that is because you have autism. google it.

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

That kind of makes sense. If you name a child "Peter," it seems totally normal.

If you name that same child "Rock," everyone will think you're either white trash, a lunatic, or both.

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

I have a friend named Rock who became a chef because of The Rock.

Isaac Bennett
Isaac Bennett

OP is murrican
instead of watching murrican cartoons he watches chinese cartoons

Kayden Martinez
Kayden Martinez

I'd consider it to be a cross between a citizen's militia and a volunteer fire department

Thomas Nguyen
Thomas Nguyen

GO reunited these two. It's not all bad.

Blake Nguyen
Blake Nguyen

I wish their interactions were translated somewhere.

Caleb Rogers
Caleb Rogers

It's just symptomatic of a larger issue that some of the older veterans in the field have often discussed at length.

I'm not gonna say "Hurr modern anime is shit muh 90s manime" or some other dumb bullshit, this discussion point has been a thing forever. Osamu Tezuka was complaining about this shit in the 70s.

A lot of the people writing this stuff often only adopt the most superficial aspects, often just gleaning what they know from other anime, or manga, or JRPGs or other similar otaku stuff like LNs, so their frame of reference is limited and their worldbuilding ability is crippled. A carbon copy loses something in the copying process, and so forth.

As its latest animated project looms and it threatens to be even more normalfag-friendly, or worse, /v/-friendly, I'm hesitant to use it but I think it's still a fine counter-illustration.

Berserk pulls a lot from western fantasy cinema like Excalibur(which, while itself is obviously based on Arthurian myth, also owes a lot to the Lord of the Rings) or Conan, and even a cursory reading of the plot would allow anybody to pick out obvious real world counterparts and parallels, and the fact that Miura is drawing from outside the usual Sup Forums stable I think really empowers him even when he's playing outside the usual mangaka comfort zone in purer western low/high fantasy, and isn't vulnerable to the same pratfalls and pitfalls as say, LN writers.

Levi Taylor
Levi Taylor

You have to start somewhere, you muppet

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