Asuka vs. Rei debate

Jose Hughes
Jose Hughes

I finally got around to watching Neon Genesis Evangelion for the first time last week. I was enjoying the show up until I realized that Shinji wasn't going to pick one of the girls. With all the threads dedicated to whether Rei or Asuka is better, I assumed he would choose one of them (presumably Rei seeing Asuka fans seem to be the most butthurt). Why do people even care so much about these girls and this show if Shinji doesn't even choose one of them?

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John Young
John Young

He clearly choose asuka

Cooper Rogers
Cooper Rogers

Because Evafags desperately need something to talk since Anno's fucking around with Godzilla instead of working on Rebuild and Red vs Blue is one of those things that'll never be settled. So naturally it's perfect material to pad threads with.

Josiah Smith
Josiah Smith

Rei4Life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCyDIe1F1BY

Juan Cook
Juan Cook

He did choose rei. But she was taken from him, because the story is a tragedy.

Ian Torres
Ian Torres

Because if Shinji doesn't choose: I will.

Luke White
Luke White

the debate isn't because shinji was going to chose one
the debate was that since the beginning of the show, everybody watching, chose one for some specific reason
and the characters are so well developed and their art is so good that there is just no way you can't love them. their personalities are so different though that everybody likes one and can't possibly fathom how some people can find the other appealing.
like you could literally spend hours arguing about how the other girl is better but I'll still understand how my girl is superior

Henry Mitchell
Henry Mitchell

Did you watch the movies?

Nathaniel Gutierrez
Nathaniel Gutierrez

That's a new continuity from the first series.

The manga is my favorite version.

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

I watched the end of evangelion. Is there more to the show after this and the original 90's series?

Oliver Thompson
Oliver Thompson

There's the reboot movies or whatever the hell Anno is doing to revive his glory days and the manga by Sadamoto.

There's some spin-off manga too.

Asher Fisher
Asher Fisher

I have never seen a debate about which girl/Kaworu Shinji picked (the answer is no one/himself). There is a lot of debate over which girl "won". What "winning" means is a very fluid term, and anons seem to pick its meaning based more on the definition that allows their favorite girl to "win" rather than use any sort of consistent measurement.

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

Yes all movies. I hope 30+10 is good.

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

Not in continuity with NGE and End. Anno did describe at least one old proposal for a direct sequel to End that didn't sound like it would feature Shinji and Asuka at all.

Isaac Flores
Isaac Flores

Tomoko is better than both akira and rei.

Cooper Diaz
Cooper Diaz

Now listen here faggot. This show and its fans have been around a lot longer than you have. People's opinion of this show is not wrong because you think it is. Your opinion is wrong because OP is shit.

Adrian Harris
Adrian Harris

I don't understand how the arguments are still going on
Have they changed at all in 20 years

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

Because they're good characters, but after 20 years, preferences have become entrenched. Basically what said

nope, he chose to live, she did too, so they landed on the same place, others could too.

Anno did describe at least one old proposal for a direct sequel to End that didn't sound like it would feature Shinji and Asuka at all.
never heard about that, source?

Cameron Collins
Cameron Collins

A videogame ten years later and whether it's canon.

Andrew Lewis
Andrew Lewis

2016
caring

Noah Myers
Noah Myers

I'm still having trouble understanding the debate over these girls. In any harem or romance anime where there are multiple love interests such as Nisekoi, people get into shipping wars over the girls. I assumed it was the same with NGE but many of you claim that romance and relationships don't factor into the debates. So what exactly drives NGE fans to rabidly support one girl and hate the other?

Adrian White
Adrian White

Because of their personalities, some like one personality while the hating the other character personality

Logan Cook
Logan Cook

Rei is love

Nathan Walker
Nathan Walker

Why do people even care so much about these girls and this show if Shinji doesn't even choose one of them?

It's a long story. You're right, Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't about choosing either of them, or any other character (Misato, Kaworu etc) as his romantic partner. But some time after NGE and EOE, with some overlap, that's what it became.

The fan reaction to NGE was huge, and Rei was decisively the most popular and garnered the most attention from fans. The notion that one's favorite character isn't #1 in everything does actually hurt many fans, particularly otaku. Asuka fans were in particular hurt that Rei was so much more popular. It's not that they didn't understand Rei's popularity or wouldn't be able to if they tried, but they didn't want to since it'd mean accepting Rei's superiority among the audience. So rather than understand the circumstances around characters, there was a tendency to negatively rationalize the facts by being dismissive or insulting towards whoever liked Rei.

This breeds conflict and war, and Anno himself participated in it, as he was an Asuka fan. Quite possibly, if Anno was never as against Rei and for Asuka as he was, we'd never have this ongoing debate at this scale because there'd be no idol for the audience to follow and copy.

Don't get me wrong. Probably since the episode Asuka was introduced, there were people arguing about who was better, but not at any unusual scale, and it didn't affect the story.

Picture related to Evangelion, it's Rei and EVA00 in an alt-style.

Michael Williams
Michael Williams

That isn't really true, I like Rei fine I just like Asuka more. I agree that I "chose" Asuka, but implying that I can't understand why someone would like Rei is silly.

Blake Adams
Blake Adams

By the end of NGE, it became clear that Rei was superior at absolutely everything. Existentially, morally and in terms of achieving her goals, Rei won. She was more than twice than popular as Asuka, and spawned many copy-cats in the industry. The one thing Asuka did that Rei didn't do, was to make out with Shinji and be flirtatious with him. So for shippers, there was a stronger connection to Asuka than with Rei, and EoE does after all end with Shinji and Asuka on the beach, albeit without much romantic connotation.

So, the only way Asuka fans can feel they have the upper hand on Rei fans or Rei in general, is through shipping.

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

So what exactly drives NGE fans to rabidly support one girl and hate the other?
Asuka hates Rei, Asukafags follow like lemmings.

Hunter Butler
Hunter Butler

Plus Anno hates Rei. Which gives Asuka fans even more fuel to keep on with their hatred.

Hudson Diaz
Hudson Diaz

It is settled. Rei > Asuka, and that is a fact.

Asuka fans aren't backing down due to new material which greatly supports Asuka.

Xavier Clark
Xavier Clark

oh me oh my we're supposed to choose between Gendo's autistic self-insert and an angsty little shit in coma

I'd rather pick Kaworu

Anthony Taylor
Anthony Taylor

Oscar.

Jose Cooper
Jose Cooper

It's not my favorite show, and I don't find much of the cast that interesting. I like Rei, Shinji, and Touji more than anyone else in that show

Adam Smith
Adam Smith

Great taste.

Ethan Clark
Ethan Clark

Manga was crappy in the end.

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