Where did it all go so wrong?

Wyatt Watson
Wyatt Watson

Where did it all go so wrong?

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Jeremiah Nelson
Jeremiah Nelson

Watching shonen

Levi Cook
Levi Cook

To be honest, many points on the right don't apply to neither Kirito nor Shido.

Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

then
Gary Stu on steroids
now
just Gary Stu, and steroids are bad

Christopher Morgan
Christopher Morgan

Of them do
Both are weak ass faggots who are saved by their harem members

Shounen characters were a lot alpha back in the day, they were proper role models

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

shonen
Nobody cares.

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

this

Cooper Evans
Cooper Evans

nobody cares about the biggest cash crop target demographic there is

Andrew Evans
Andrew Evans

weak ass faggots who are saved by their harem members
I don't even like SAO that much and I haven't seen the second season, but most of the times Kirito is the one overpowering enemies left and right. He is saved by Asuna twice, and even then he does not stand there like a faggot but actually contributed to the victory.
The "would back down when faced with difficult situation" only applies to Yukito
And I can't see how you can even compare Rito to battle shonen MCs.

But even if all four of them were whiny faggots, you are just cherry picking.

Jose Walker
Jose Walker

*did not stand

Charles Hughes
Charles Hughes

alpha
strong
implying
The original Gundam MC was a mini "I don't want to get into the robot".

Angel Gutierrez
Angel Gutierrez

/thread

John Hughes
John Hughes

Despite him getting into the robot even when his father said not to ?

Jackson Myers
Jackson Myers

his father
You mean the brain damaged guy who couldn't tell garbage from Gundam parts?

Caleb Russell
Caleb Russell

Kirito doesn't fit any of the red points

Kayden Flores
Kayden Flores

Check'd

Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

His father who created the Gundams

Nicholas Jackson
Nicholas Jackson

Gon and Luffy
most modern shounen out there
has all the traits of the left and none of the right
OP leaves them out because he's a cheery-picking faggot to compensate that he doesn't watch anime anymore

Xavier James
Xavier James

Except for point 4 he fit all red points

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

reprogramming of the japanese male

People unconciously pick up the things on screen - the manly men of old have now turned into spineless cowards who get scared by a girl's midriff.

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

Because we shifted from male power fantasy to self insert fantasy. Reading about awesome men just makes them feel inadequate when they look at their own lives.

Brandon King
Brandon King

Gon and Luffy
Modern MCs
By that logic then Berserk and Jojo MCs also count as modern MCs

Nathaniel Cox
Nathaniel Cox

where does battle shounen Kyon fit in?

Brayden King
Brayden King

this awful thread again
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/140273741/#q140273741
I guess I'll start us off by pointing out that most of the people in that image aren't shounen protagonists.

Ian Turner
Ian Turner

Rito on the right shouldn't count as a modern MC if they aren't, take your garbage back to /v/.

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Except they all do.

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

Pandering TV like anime only changes in response to the changes of the people. People saw that beta's sold more so that's what they started to write stories about.

Isaiah Perez
Isaiah Perez

But Berserk isn't shounen
and Jojo isn't modern shounen (when it was shounen it wasn't modern)

Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

None of the modern MCs are manly. Many of them are childish people.

Back in the day, it was okay for the MCs to be overpowered as they commonly acted as saviour to a group of oppressed innocent people, with their plight shown in great detail to set the context.

Nowadays, things aren't so grim dark anymore.

And obviously, men that exclusively require women to motivate them to be useful people in the world are the worst kind of people.

Aaron Mitchell
Aaron Mitchell

Nigga gets it

Isaiah Gutierrez
Isaiah Gutierrez

These stories started in the 90s tho

Christopher Rogers
Christopher Rogers

By that logic then Goku counts as a modern MC
/v/ posting
/lgbt/

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

Outlaw Star
DAL
SAO
shounen

Oliver Barnes
Oliver Barnes

yeah but they still dominate shounen like kings (or at least HxH would if it released more than 10 chapters a year)

Austin Harris
Austin Harris

I remember this one. Is OP going to tell us all to read the thread again?

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

Kirito looks like a bitchboy I would fuck in the ass while he crossdresses.

Fuck off.

Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

I don't think you know what shounen is, considering you included three out of four shounen MCs on the left and only one out of four on the right.

Michael Peterson
Michael Peterson

space dandy most manly man in anime in past 10 years.

Im sick of pussyif mc in anime will need real mc

Nathan Nguyen
Nathan Nguyen

Forgetting about OP's point, which is either bait or proof he's criminally stupid, he picture of the To-Love-Ru guy makes me wonder:

What would a harem with a protagonist that isn't a wishy washy little piece of shit be like?

The only one I can think of is the Mon Musu guy, who does a decent job of being cool, but he's kind of doomed when he's surrounded by creatures whose could crush his puny human bones like pretzel.

And when I say be a cool guy I don't mean some sort of insecure "I'll rape all the bitches" delinquent chuuni shit, I just mean not being a completely clueless loser like most main characters in those books are.

Alexander Allen
Alexander Allen

as beta as humanly possible
Buzzwords
weak, not a gram of muscle on them
Yeah muscles sure are useful inside a game
would back down when faced with difficult situation
Never happened in the slightest
have no dreams, or gay ass dream like dating a girl or something
Escaping from a death game seems enough of a "manly" goal, and so is saving your girlfriend
whine all the time, pessimistic as fuck
I don't recall him ever whining or being "pessimistic". Fuck, he even spouts bullshit about how, even inside the game, life was worth living
girls love them for no other reason than they're "nice", further shwing shallow nature of series
This definetely applies to all the girls, but not to Asuna. The interactions between the two are believable enough, for a self insert fantasy that is.

David Torres
David Torres

What would a harem with a protagonist that isn't a wishy washy little piece of shit be like?
Even worse. What people don't understand is that all these cliches exist because to make things easier for average and mediocre writers. Getting rid of them doesn't get rid of these mediocre writers, it just gets rid of their crutches, so you wind up with absolute catastrophes of sex and drama. Look at some 90s smut to get an idea.

Parker Cruz
Parker Cruz

saofag desperate to defend his shit

Landon Rogers
Landon Rogers

Only because they have such dedicated fan bases built up on years and years of dedicated work and fans. One Piece, especially, appeals to everyone, from young children to grown adults.

Cant really compare the fanbase of OP to fanbases of things like SAO

Noah Nelson
Noah Nelson

Left as perfect husbando material and a girl he wants to marry. I miss him

Eli Mitchell
Eli Mitchell

because japanese turbobetamax males are also weak puny faggets.

Cooper Flores
Cooper Flores

Escaping from a death game seems enough of a "manly" goal, and so is saving your girlfriend
saofags actually use this as an argument
When did Sup Forums got so shit?

Anthony Wilson
Anthony Wilson

So what you're saying is that shit will be shit, and ultimately it's the ability of the creators that determines whether something will be good, regardless of what genre and trappings?

Alexander Stewart
Alexander Stewart

Shounen MCs
Half of them belong to Seinen.

Leo Flores
Leo Flores

Only one is seinen, but a couple are LNs. OP is an idiot.

Nicholas Price
Nicholas Price

these series are constantly being called classic and modern to suit whatever argument but I'll always call them modern til they finish.

when your average modern Jump fan things modern shounen, they're probably thinking One Piece, they're definitely not thinking SAO which isn't even a battle shounen

Cameron Evans
Cameron Evans

left
good
Nostalgiacucks never learn. Why don't you fuck off back to your Jojo threads and pretend being a faggot is just being "fabulous"

Henry Hill
Henry Hill

shitposters desperate to shit on (insert some popular shit anime)

Ayden Robinson
Ayden Robinson

GTO
shounen

Easton Foster
Easton Foster

The fuck? That's the standard toughness of your average self-insert, and the Mon Musu MC is bland as fuck.

Daniel Howard
Daniel Howard

Oh come on, that's bait and you know it.

Hunter Morgan
Hunter Morgan

Yes, people like you, the target of that demographic.

Ryan Rogers
Ryan Rogers

This thread again...

Asher Long
Asher Long

why are good characters from good shounens better than bad characters from really bad shounens?

gee i dunno op maybe you were dropped on the head as a baby

Carter Fisher
Carter Fisher

aren't you supposed to be shitposting in madoka threads

Austin Carter
Austin Carter

The right only has one shounen mc though.

"Shounen" doesn't mean "bad anime", it's a reference to manga for boys, and only Rito fits there.

Camden Barnes
Camden Barnes

It went from displaying a role model to what a true man is to self inserting.

Anime was a mistake, because otakus.

Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

The guy from Testament? Issei from DxD?

Cameron Brown
Cameron Brown

literally defending SAO

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

how is yusuke a gary stu?

Tyler Sullivan
Tyler Sullivan

Did someone ask for an alpha MC?

Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

he might be but it's not shonen

Colton Miller
Colton Miller

Yes, and? I don't even like it very much, but that doesn't make every bad thing people say against it true.

Elijah Miller
Elijah Miller

The ones on the right arent even from shounen series

Adrian Harris
Adrian Harris

To Love-Ru and Mirai Nikki are/were both published on shonen magazines.

Elijah Jones
Elijah Jones

Can we have a pessimistic 90s-type character that never does anything correctly and somehow at the end of a fight does one thing right or hits some specific place by luck, wins, and then just leaves like nothing happened?

Jonathan Garcia
Jonathan Garcia

Maybe Johnny Bravo could come back as an anime, definitely would be anime of the season

Who would play him? There's no Japanese equivalent to Elvis, right?

Parker Carter
Parker Carter

Thankfully WIT is here to save anime

William Allen
William Allen

fpbp

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

I don't even like it very much

How to spot the underage: tries to tell you he doesn't like x while rabidly defending x.

Luis Garcia
Luis Garcia

Shonen jump MC's:
in love with food and stuff himself like a pig when food is around
retardedly optimistic about their dream goal
airhead and butt of the joke most of the time except the rare moments they enter serious mode
always acts asexual whether they have a love interest or not
easily impressed by childish stuff
book stupid and always gets bad grades
everyone else is inspired by their blind optimism

Those were an amalgamation of five specific shonen jump protagonist but there are probably lots more that fit under these descriptions.

Thomas Gray
Thomas Gray

A.D 2016
watching anime

Luke Rodriguez
Luke Rodriguez

Rito
Weak, not a gram of muscle on him

Did you even read the manga?

Brody Hall
Brody Hall

Bleach,Naruto and DBZ are the definition of normie.

Brody Harris
Brody Harris

Moefags fuck off

Parker Hughes
Parker Hughes

One Punch Man
not normie as fuck

David Morris
David Morris

What if you enjoy all thr categories?

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

literally kill yourself

Luis Howard
Luis Howard

yeah so?

Charles Sullivan
Charles Sullivan

literally no taste

David Campbell
David Campbell

I miss Yusuke, so badass. He might be my favorite Shounen MC

Henry Sanchez
Henry Sanchez

Its because having muscles is considered gay now because of this

Alexander Robinson
Alexander Robinson

Cant a man enjoy multiple genres?

Brandon Torres
Brandon Torres

having muscles is considered gay now because of this

Its been way before Aniki actually.

Hunter Price
Hunter Price

/v/

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

ERASED is a good animay tho

Carson Gonzalez
Carson Gonzalez

Shidou
Not this shit again.

Dominic Cooper
Dominic Cooper

Monmusu-Darlingfags are just as retarded as the fanbase that wants to fuck animals

Blake Thompson
Blake Thompson

onizuka
alpha
kek

Eli Barnes
Eli Barnes

To-Love-Ru is a shounen but not an action shounen.

That would be like putting in the "old shounen MC" section characters like Youta Moteuchi (VGA) or Kyousuke Kasuga (Orange Road) to "prove" how beta and incompetent they were in the past.

John Butler
John Butler

What's with all the memes threads lately? Those "this is your date" threads are just as bad.

Noah Phillips
Noah Phillips

You would probably end up with a character like Shinobu who possibly fucked most of the girls in his class offscreen and only doesn't bang more because they'd likely kill him

Nathan Evans
Nathan Evans

there will never be a MC as based as Shinobu from Kamachi's hands ever again

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

Bigger irony is that rito is old as hell so calling it "now" is even more absurd.

Y'know back in my day trolling meant something. Now it's just a contest of who can look the stupidest, most incompetent, or most ignorant.

Gavin Gomez
Gavin Gomez

There might be, js06 hasn't translated much of Blood Sign but I kind of liked that MC, though Kamachi was obviously taking the piss with the harem girl cliches in that.

Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

Kyosuke runs away from pussy user, that's why it's so low on Js06's priorities boring walls of expositions aside.

Xavier Miller
Xavier Miller

thinks shounen is a genre.

Isaiah Martin
Isaiah Martin

Fujoshit becoming the majority of the fanbase and beta male japs wanting self-inserts.

Thomas Miller
Thomas Miller

call them charismatic instead of saying people loved them

Leo Cox
Leo Cox

True, though when I asked about it js06 said he got a lot better by volume 2, and White Queen is motivation enough for me to be interested. Somewhat unrelated, I'm not sure which is more romantic, Heivia doing an Object powered drop kick to save his girl in Heavy Object, or Shinobu getting a zombie kiss from his now-zombie girlfriend to not die when he is killed in Zashiki Warashi.

John Wright
John Wright

As much as WE is the pull, Kyosuke is a huge turn off, even if he gets "better".

Liam Scott
Liam Scott

Harem MCs
They shouldn't count. They're barely characters.

Kevin Watson
Kevin Watson

Only the second and the last point there applies to Kirito, though.

Jordan Gray
Jordan Gray

Mature adult with refined taste, successful in life
/tv/'s entry level "should watch" guide
posted on a korean basketweaving board

dude i don't know much about you but i can tell that if you made this, then you're probably still live at home with your parents

Hunter Reyes
Hunter Reyes

implying Shinobu got to fuck Madoka
Shinobu please.

Jaxon Ross
Jaxon Ross

At the very least he did in the singer song liar end.

Joshua Cook
Joshua Cook

Heivia takes this one because of the honorable duel that followed. I love stuff like that.

Jaxon Myers
Jaxon Myers

Hevia takes all of them in general.

I liked the part of V4 where Hevia was battling terrorists and just operating while Quesnser was too busy liquoring up attractive and slightly older women.

Angel Collins
Angel Collins

Liam Nielson is a better MC than Eckhart

Daniel Roberts
Daniel Roberts

obvious bait but i'll play along
I watch these 3d films because it proves my intelligent.
why are /tv/ fag so obsessed with taste hierarchy? It's even more unbalanced than Sup Forums no wonder you can trigger them easily with a single anime thread.

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

/tv/ itself is an anti-anime board. They crave cynicism, so anime hate thread are post there frequently for them to circlejerk.

Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

Don't like very much =/= don't like.

Ryder Cook
Ryder Cook

nobody cares
still comments
Heh.

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