Did Kishi seriously never address this?

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

be literally the worst ninja at the academy
successfully steal a super duper forbidden jutsu scroll
later learn that scroll in like half an hour, although just couple of hours before it was shown you couldn't even make a shitty regular clone

Did Kishi seriously never address this?

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Samuel Thompson
Samuel Thompson

The ability to learn has much to do with your motivation to learn.
When you're bullied in class (which at this point of the story he still was before it was retconned) then you are probably not very motivated and therefore rather bad.
When you manage to steal the ultra-super technique that will turn your life around, do you think that will motivate you to practice really hard?

Cooper Gomez
Cooper Gomez

He sat down and dedicated himself to it in that half hour, he probably never gave much thought to REALLY trying to learn the regular clone.

Isaac Wilson
Isaac Wilson

He only learned the clone Shadow clone jutsu frim the scroll, and despite being dead last the only hang up he had that prevented him from graduating earlier was making regular clones that he couldn't pull off because he has so much chakra,

Chase Mitchell
Chase Mitchell

super duper forbidden jutsu
everyone knows and uses it

Cameron Thomas
Cameron Thomas

Not many people actually knew it though.

Julian Reyes
Julian Reyes

Zabuza uses a variation of this technique in the very next arc

Anthony Turner
Anthony Turner

Shadow clones =/= Water clones

Alexander Turner
Alexander Turner

But that's not shadow clone. Shadow clone was special (and forbidden) because it made the clones out of pure chakra. Other clone techniques required a building material like water or sand to be shaped into a clone.

Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

If he wasn't so shit, he would have at the least read the fucking notes. Or noticed that he gets the clones experience.
So yes, its actually addressed.

Elijah Carter
Elijah Carter

Amount of chakra has nothing to do with control
He just never practiced things that weren't visible like history and shit

Alexander Kelly
Alexander Kelly

he can be good at stealth and distracted the hokage with the sexy no jutsu

Sebastian Smith
Sebastian Smith

Amount of chakra has nothing to do with control
pretty sure it was mentioned that Sakura was able to pull off the tree climbing control exercise so easily was because she had way less chakra than both Sasuke and Naruto,

Jace Hughes
Jace Hughes

Forbidden jutsu scrolls should have had more importance.

Julian Peterson
Julian Peterson

A lot of things should've happened, but then Shippuden happened.

Nicholas Jackson
Nicholas Jackson

be literally the worst ninja at the academy
Keep pace with Rookie of the year in the tree climbing exercise
Learn the technique in the same amount of time despite having absolute shit control

Kishi never addresses a lot of things.

Adam Reed
Adam Reed

Kishi left so many holes and inconsistencies that it's not even worth trying to list them, but the reason that the multi shadow clone jutsu was forbidden was not that it was super hard or special but that almost nobody had the charka reserves to do it without killing themselves.

Naruto was basically just an exceptionally lucky retard who found the one secret skill suited for him that he wouldn't immediately die trying.

Jason Anderson
Jason Anderson

or that he was a 3 year flunk in the test to graduate yet still somehow the runt of the litter and not older than everyone else?

Lucas Thompson
Lucas Thompson

Bigger plot hole was that people knew that he was the 4th's son and still treated him like shit. The villagers are one thing, but there's no excuse from the rest of the ninjas, especially Jaraiya.

Chase Ortiz
Chase Ortiz

A bigger problem, though not neccessarily a plot hole, is that the entire story undermines its own premise
Naruto is a fuck-off goofball but with hard work he can equal or even surpass the talented!
Oh, and he has this fox inside of him that gives him superhuman chakra and his parents were ninja übermenschen making him effectively Ninja Jesus

Kevin Perry
Kevin Perry

based tobe gives good instructions

Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

no, that was never claimed
naruto just didn't concentrate enough
and sasuke put too much power into it

Dylan Bailey
Dylan Bailey

kishimoto never addressed it, but i eventually simply assumed Naruto just took the test earlier than the proper graduation year just to prove he can do it(and then failed)

Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

friendly reminder that naruto managed to learn this technique without knowing what chakra is
i'm not making this shit up

Caleb Brown
Caleb Brown

he knows what chakra is, he just doesn't know how it works exactly. But from what we could tell, for most techniques you don't need to know that shit, all you need to know is that it is "energy" from inside your body

Kevin Gonzalez
Kevin Gonzalez

i don't think you understand this. he didn't know what chakra is at that point.
he had to have it explained to him so he would know what chakra is.

Kayden Hernandez
Kayden Hernandez

I understood you, but i thought it was as i said
but i checked it out now, and i remembered wrong, it is as you said, he doesn't know the word "chakra"

maybe the scroll never used the word "chakra"? After all we have no idea how normal jutsus(that are done with hand signs) work in Naruto, since it is explained with just "it's magic"

Brandon King
Brandon King

kishi's strengths are character design, character interaction, and the shallower parts of world building.

unfortunately his plot development (and particularly consistency) skills are virtually nonexistent.

flunk 3x but somehow same age
laziest student but also somehow hardworking
looks just like the 4th but apparently a civilization of spies mostly don't notice
same for having whisker marks while basically every village has a jinchuriki
9 genin graduate in a year from the largest village, 1 makes chunin in 6 months from 3 or 4 villages, but thousands of ninjas can fight in a war
...

Lucas Jackson
Lucas Jackson

laziest student but also somehow hardworking
Happens a lot in reallife as well, it is the motivation behind your studying that determines how well you do.

same for having whisker marks while basically every village has a jinchuriki
Since his mother was a jinchuriki, i think we can explain his whiskers away with it was because his mother had a demon inside her, not him, same with his children.
9 genin graduate in a year from the largest village, 1 makes chunin in 6 months from 3 or 4 villages, but thousands of ninjas can fight in a war
can be explained in several ways
1) Most of them could be genin
2) Different teachers graduate a different amount of chuunin, they change after all. Like the Hokage said, it could be that none of them became chuunin or all of them.
3) People like Kakashi were from a different time where war was more constant thus had to graduate early, both as genin and probably the other classes as well.

Jose Powell
Jose Powell

maybe the scroll never used the word "chakra"?
maybe if kishi wrote the scroll

Ayden Jackson
Ayden Jackson

go to www.Sup Forums.org/a/
make a thread about nuruto anime
???
(:3c

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

That was an asspull to learn the Shuriken Rasengan in time and you know it

Sebastian Flores
Sebastian Flores

Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I’m not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I’m not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.

Luke Gutierrez
Luke Gutierrez

It's your typical shounen magic, ain't gotta explain shit.

Jack Brown
Jack Brown

normal clones are intangible
shadows are intangible
shadow clones are tangible

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

kishi
thinking about doing consistent plot

Blake Lopez
Blake Lopez

Only reason he was shit was because fox demon thingy fucked up his chakra control.

Jackson King
Jackson King

minus and minus equals plus

Parker Perez
Parker Perez

Well the whole story is him working up to that point admittedly with plenty of free powers just thrown at him.

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

Can't survive in the ninja world with that mentality.

Julian Morris
Julian Morris

Wasn't because Naruto felt lonely?

Asher Roberts
Asher Roberts

Yes, Kaguya Ootsuki.

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

It's called shadow clones because they have shadows.

Justin Cooper
Justin Cooper

Regular clones are just illusions. Kage bunshin is literal chakra that can actually interact. Basically, Naruto isn't proficient with genjutsu type things.

Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

Pottery.

Christian Adams
Christian Adams

I feel ashamed that I understood all of that.

Jose Williams
Jose Williams

fighting Madara after dying and Ninja Jesus gives his kids a power up
creates a lava rasen-shuriken
show states that Naruto can only use wind chakra
never uses it again
never explained how he created a complex fire/earth/wind jutsu on his first try when it took him 2 1/2 years to master just a regular wind rasen-shuriken

Levi Jones
Levi Jones

How long would it take for you to explain to someone who hasn't touched Naruto since 2006?

Carson Ramirez
Carson Ramirez

8 years

Carson Scott
Carson Scott

Wasn't Naruto channeling the power of all tailed beasts?
The monkey had lava release.

Charles Anderson
Charles Anderson

Yup

Charles Richardson
Charles Richardson

I thought it was that wind would be the easiest for him to learn. If that leaf test was so restrictive, no one would know more than one element.

Nicholas Ward
Nicholas Ward

A big theme of the series seem to be racism is bad, except that Uchihas are genetically predisposed to go insane and get superpowers with their insanity so genocide is the best solution

Ayden Long
Ayden Long

Which Madara ARE you talking about then?

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

One of the reason he sucked, beside not paying attention, was his chakra control

the Mass Shadow Clones technique splits chakra automatically, negating the problem.

Landon Foster
Landon Foster

before it was retconned
What, so he actually wasn't an outcast when he was a kid?

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

hard work vs being a genius is a major theme in the early series
lee gets messed up by gaara
naruto keeps winning fights only because of the fox and not because he worked hard
everyone that wasnt born with uchiha genes becomes a side character

Did Kishi try to tell us something?

Jayden Powell
Jayden Powell

why would he? just explained away by ninjutsu.

Isaac Hughes
Isaac Hughes

The forbidden part is actually the multiple,or the number snce nrmal pple don't hve enough chakra the risk is high.. Tht y it's forbidden

Nolan Robinson
Nolan Robinson

Does anyone have that pasta of how Naruto supports fascism?

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

forbidden jutsu
it's literally one hand sign

Jaxon Anderson
Jaxon Anderson

Naruto got nerfed by Kurama messing his chakra, I bet that without it we would had Hashirama 2.

Seriously Naruto went from almost dropout to on par with the number 1 rookie, nigga only needed some more attention and rised up the ranks like nothing in no time, dude was always OP.

Wyatt Reyes
Wyatt Reyes

hand signs flat out disappear in the series
ninja weapons were never useful
everything was just magic power bullshit

Ethan Reyes
Ethan Reyes

ninja weapons were never useful
Poor 10/10

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

he knows what chakra is
he didn't

Ian Long
Ian Long

When were they ever useful at all after the chuunin exams?

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

So those lines are really whiskers? Like, full on hair extensions protruding form his face whiskers? Like a cats?

Did nobody think that was weird?

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

Explain pls senpai. I haven't bothered with Naruto since exactly 2006

Henry Green
Henry Green

In the same village there is a family that willfully act as a hosts to thousands of bugs inside their body. A kid with whiskers isn't too bad to them most likely.

Aaron Ross
Aaron Ross

Hard work vs Genius was only a main theme during the chunin exam

Henry Diaz
Henry Diaz

Sasuke used them to pin down Deidara to an explosive bird and Itachi used them to blind all of Pain's summons.

Tenten is just shit

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

Hey, I have a question about Naruto that the series never answered...who raised Naruto and Sasuke? I mean, Naruto was a baby when he lost his parents and Sasuke was like...6? Who the hell took care of these kids?

Gavin Brooks
Gavin Brooks

i c

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

Why do you think they're the way they are?

Luke Myers
Luke Myers

only useful twice

Exactly my point. When's the last time anybody died to them? The last time anybody was "OH SHIT A KUNAI"

Austin Davis
Austin Davis

It was never brought up

Andrew Ortiz
Andrew Ortiz

Kage Bunshin is not forbidden.
Tajuu Kage bunshin is.

That's the one Naruto learns. Nobody else in the series is capable of making so many clones

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

implying

Ryan Myers
Ryan Myers

Yes he did.

Benjamin Harris
Benjamin Harris

You need to add yet another panel of her getting stabbed

Connor Young
Connor Young

Him being an outcast was never retconned though.

Jordan Ross
Jordan Ross

Except the story never was about hard work you fucking retard, it's about never giving up, not going back on your word
That's my Nindo!

Sasuke was a genius but he trained harder than anyone else, Neji was a genius but he trained harded than everyone else and so on.

You didn't get the point when it was adressed in the chunnin exams, retard.

Matthew Cruz
Matthew Cruz

You do know they have shit like talking dogs and an entire furfag clan?

Sebastian Cox
Sebastian Cox

yes he was he is just stupid

Daniel Garcia
Daniel Garcia

That was always the worst part about the theme as the guys lauded as "true geniuses who don't need hard work" worked their asses off anyways

Jackson Nguyen
Jackson Nguyen

I'm retarded

The post

Brayden Baker
Brayden Baker

It was also about the power of friendship and the pain of loneliness.

Julian Perry
Julian Perry

Naruto put a kunai bomb in Gaara's ass.

There's plenty of times where ninja tools were used. Hashirama stabbed Madara too, Izuna got fucked by Tobirama.

Tenten is just garbage.

Joseph Gutierrez
Joseph Gutierrez

donovan

Connor Stewart
Connor Stewart

Being a genius means you can figure out things yourself. Sasuke and Neji figured out things relatively without as much instruction.
Naruto and Lee on the other hand needed handholding.

Angel Kelly
Angel Kelly

Lee was a genius too

Jordan Richardson
Jordan Richardson

When narudo was good.

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Austin Harris
Austin Harris

The whole concept of chakra elements was an asspull.

Josiah Cook
Josiah Cook

So, i am working on a Naruto NRPG, can you guys give me ideas to create taijutsu styles, Clans, kekken genkais and kekken tottas, this kind of stuff ?

Luis Cook
Luis Cook

Everyone is a fucking genius in Naruto.

that kid he is eating ramen with one hand, he's a genius!

Jordan James
Jordan James

AHH, THAT IS BETTER, NOW I WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FREELY

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

As a whole it was alright, the elemental rasengan being a big deal was stupid thou. Shit the games beat the to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUXzGg_aobY

Eli Morris
Eli Morris

It was introduced from the beginning of the series with Sasuke's fireball, Kakashi's earth jutsu to drag people underground down and the chidori

Matthew Thomas
Matthew Thomas

uses one hand to do hand signs
ITS A FUCKING GENIUS

Adrian Lopez
Adrian Lopez

Except Kiba, till the end he was always 5 steps behind the group. Right next to Tenten.

Joshua Myers
Joshua Myers

Tfw you loved the ideas of ninja dogs, but the character representing them was a total waste of space.

Cameron James
Cameron James

Tenten was at least cute though.

Nicholas Powell
Nicholas Powell

why was tenten wasted. this makes me fucking livid

Brandon Barnes
Brandon Barnes

Holy shit I want to read this

Asher Foster
Asher Foster

Come to think of it, why does this keep happening to the Chinese girls?

Angel Cox
Angel Cox

No it wasn't. There was nothing at that point to say Sasuke was a fire/lightning type ninja and Naruto was a wind type. They were just techniques that happened to have a certain element.

Michael Campbell
Michael Campbell

Japanese hatred of China.

Connor Hughes
Connor Hughes

It kinda wasn't because I remember thinking about it way back that he learns from the clones but it was never adressed. I wouldnt say an asspull, naruto is just dumb and didnt notice

James Murphy
James Murphy

Why didn't Lee ever take off his weights again?
Why didn't he master drunken fist?

Gabriel Jackson
Gabriel Jackson

No rinnegan, who wins between sauce and madara?

Xavier Wright
Xavier Wright

Same reason Goku stopped taking off his weighted stuff, once you reach a certain point it's not really weighing you down anymore.

Jace Cruz
Jace Cruz

The two armed man with the better susanoo

John Jackson
John Jackson

Because the weights were just an asspull to ultimately make Gaara look godly.

Ryan Diaz
Ryan Diaz

He had so much chakra and such shit control over it that it was easier for him to do a high cost technique than a low cost one.

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

Did Kishi seriously never address this?
sure he did. he retaconed Naruto into a superpowered secret bloodline ninja who has the inherent abilities of a god or some stupid shit. All his tryhard nonsense was him whining at even having to try at all, since he was born to be the strongest ninja ever anyway.

now watch his "tryhard" montages again and remember he's really the super powered god child, and it turns those scenes on their head. He's no longer a try hard he's a serial underachiever who whines constantly about hard work.

Anthony Campbell
Anthony Campbell

lol what fucking manga were you reading

Easton Taylor
Easton Taylor

He addressed it by making Naruto having noble ninja bloodlines all along.

Connor Morales
Connor Morales

Holy shit.

Chase Cook
Chase Cook

This has to be the best explanation to make sense of the retcon.
Remember Sup Forums the three magic words: Neji was right.

Levi Nelson
Levi Nelson

Hard work vs Genius was only a main theme during the chunin exam

Bullshit, the Sage of Six Bullshits claimed that Nardo, the reincarnation of his god seed, host of a chakra spam machine, son of two powerful ninjas, became successful because of his hard work ethic when we all know that is a load of crap.
0/10 Kishi

Carson Barnes
Carson Barnes

No, he said that he and Ashura became powerful due to the power of friendship

Connor Wood
Connor Wood

Neji died for our sins

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