Aside from western non entities the only people that are going to be alienated...

Jace Cruz
Jace Cruz

Fan service is alienating

Aside from western non entities the only people that are going to be alienated by fan service are even bigger otakus who throw fits of rage seeing their waifu being whored out, assuming you have k-on tier waifus

There is absolutely no reason for a late night anime not to have ecchi aside from western propaganda that is currently destroying trigger as we speak

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Jaxson Nguyen
Jaxson Nguyen

There is such a thing as excessive fanservice though, and it can diminish the value of a character, reducing them to nothing but a mannequin to get it's clothes ripped off.

See: History's strongest disciple Kenichi.

Jaxon Thompson
Jaxon Thompson

There is absolutely no reason for a late night anime not to have ecchi aside from western propaganda that is currently destroying trigger as we speak
that is currently destroying trigger as we speak

Sure. Just because they embrace American superiority means they'll embrace the evils of it.

Nathaniel Miller
Nathaniel Miller

Who are you even quoting? SJWs? They barely matter, if at all.

Charles Hill
Charles Hill

I don't think Kiznaiver would be good, even if it had lewds. The lewds certainly didn't stop KlK from being shit.

Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

I completely agree.

Jackson Clark
Jackson Clark

There is absolutely no reason for a late night anime not to have ecchi
Instead of desperately fish views with tits and ass, how about making interesting anime with mature themes?

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

just feel like posting this because it's relevant and makes me want to punch him hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_nurDfEq9M

Owen Powell
Owen Powell

Fan service keeps normalfags away from anime. I don't like it excessive either, but a beach episode or panty flash is fine if done right.

This is exactly what a normalfags would want. While I wouldn't mind more like that, it's no different than saying ''why isn't there more anime like cowboy bepop and attack on titan''

Jonathan Scott
Jonathan Scott

Don't post that shit on Sup Forums.
You can watch those videos and get angry at them all you want (although I have no idea WHY you would want to at all) but that's your business, not /a/'s.

Camden Price
Camden Price

This is exactly what a normalfags would want
Quality? That's a normalfag thing now?

Jaxson Taylor
Jaxson Taylor

no way I gotta share it

Tyler Wilson
Tyler Wilson

Muh mature shows. Mature themes =\= quality.

Owen Martin
Owen Martin

Like the average asshole with aids.

Benjamin Diaz
Benjamin Diaz

whatever you say my man

Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

You don't want quality, you want to impose your western stupidity on others. Now fuck off and die pussyass bitch nigger, you are not needed here.

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

Fair enough. But too often fanservice is used as a stand-in for quality.

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

You are the problem.

Isaiah Brown
Isaiah Brown

Like.

Colton Torres
Colton Torres

Pro tip: no one cares in anime industry about American values.
It's Japanese who is going to part for anime and it's Japanese who want to see cute girls doing pure things.
It looks like it's you who are being manipulated by western propaganda into thinking that showing girl impure, sexualized is good and desired.

Grayson Flores
Grayson Flores

I agree to an extent, but fan service itself is a non-issue. I like moeshit just as much as I like manime.
I want cute girls doing cute things, ecchi harem shit, manly men doing manly things, and everything in-between. While there is definitely more cute girl anime, harems, SoL, and romance, that's just how the industry works.

We still get grimdark series and serious action shows every now and then.

Jack Morales
Jack Morales

I think that fan service can get really obnoxious and completely ruin series that are not based around it. Ecchi is something that shouldn't be used unless it really works thematically, is in a series where ecchi is a focus, or is executed brilliantly in a way that does not destroy suspension of disbelief and frame the series through the lens of the male gaze.

Grimgar is a series where "ecchi/fanservice" was done incredibly well. There are fanservice-y shots, but they do not feel crass or jarring because they are contextualized and not so one-sided. But there are plenty of delicious shots of Yume that do not feel cheap because they are very well integrated into the activities of the entire team.

I am alienated by ecchi when it is entirely stupid or when it ruins the story/mood of a series. In some shows it is entirely fine to have beach/hot springs episodes. But in others it just feels overwhelmingly out of place and contrived. I do not care about the purity of any anime girls, in fact, I think it would be a bit healthier if we had some non-virgin girls/women that were still sexualized (currently, even teachers are expected to be virgins in anime). Innocence/virgin fetish is fine to a point, but it is so fucking dominant in anime that it crowds out everything.

Justin Wright
Justin Wright

currently destroying trigger
The fuck are you talking about?

Justin Rodriguez
Justin Rodriguez

I'd rather not hear about a girls previous sex partners at all, especially if they're the main love interest.

Doesn't matter if they're a virgin or not.

Ryan Thompson
Ryan Thompson

No it's "used" to make fans happy. T&A has pretty universal appeal, the people who complain about it 99.9999% of the time do not even buy anime or merch anyway.

Parker Taylor
Parker Taylor

Its called making a thread that isn't a general

Jack Fisher
Jack Fisher

male gaze
>>>/tumblr/

Nolan Clark
Nolan Clark

but fan service itself is a non-issue.
Usually, but not always. Fanservice used well can enhance a series. Fanservice used poorly can take it over and diminish it. But there's nothing wrong with fanservice in and of itself.

Thomas Stewart
Thomas Stewart

Fans would be happier with something of quality than with something that only excels at titillating. Unless the something in question happens to be porn.

Ryan Robinson
Ryan Robinson

male gaze

Tyler Baker
Tyler Baker

western propaganda that is currently destroying trigger as we speak
What?

Connor Morgan
Connor Morgan

Why are these kinds of people always reluctant to actually give examples of "jarring" fanservice?

Ryan Baker
Ryan Baker

Fans would be happier with something of quality than with something that only excels at titillating
Yeah you would know cause you obviously have your finger on the pulse of every anime community in the world right? If only the industry were as hip as you and could just understand what the fans REALLY want. Get the fuck over yourself you pretentious dickweed. You don't know shit. T&A has been used as a (very successful) marketing strategy for ages. You know why? Because it works.

Isaiah Gomez
Isaiah Gomez

That's what I meant. Nothing wrong in itself, if used appropriately.

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

Japaneseisms
horrible pronunciation
Fucking raged, and quit i minute 11 seconds in.
What a fucking faggot.

Kayden Hill
Kayden Hill

appropriately
No, he said used well. You're trying to qualify what he said. It's obvious you have a negative stigma attached to fanservice and are only pretending to be impartial so you can fit in.

Hudson Collins
Hudson Collins

Personally. Fanservice >>>>Plot Amor.

Nicholas Gutierrez
Nicholas Gutierrez

Explain to me why titillation is objectively separate from quality. Like, why is something enjoyable not counted as quality?

Ayden Peterson
Ayden Peterson

What? No, I like fan service.

Julian White
Julian White

This. If the show is going to insult my intelligence I'd at least want to get something out of it. Watching the same hackneyed plot over and over again is tedious but if I can watch it again with a boner then maybe I'll sit through it.

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

Because I like tits more than mature themes.

Ryan Hughes
Ryan Hughes

It's a good thing that their sales are dependent upon a niche group then. Westerners have little impact on sales since most don't and can't afford dem jap merchandise. All the anime that Westerners have a larger impact nowadays are mostly the entry level stuff and most are stuck in the anime only faze.

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

Most of the western impact on anime is actually at the top rather than the base. The western fans mostly feed the western companies that participate in the industry, and those companies are mostly fringe outsiders who are considered an afterthought in Japan. What I mean by influence at the top is that some of those companies are trying to change their status in the anime industry from outsider to insider.

Gavin Howard
Gavin Howard

Fan service itsself is pretty bottom of the barrel entertainment. Sure sex has been used in advertising for years but that doesn't make it good. I'd much rather have something that can stand on its own than something that has to use sex to keep me interested. Its different when its actually part of the art style. Grimgar example above was great. Punchline and Skullgirls and Kill la Kill are also good examples where the art is extremely sexualized, but it doesn't feel like fan service because its very much part of the style. The animation in Skullgirls would not work with modestlly drawn characters, and would feel quite out of place with the settings and back grounds.

I think the best place to look at this difference is the magical girl genre. Take YuYuYu vs The side materials for instance. The side materials are absolutely chock full of fanservice. They're super gay. But the main series leaves a lot of that out except in the parts where it really matters to the characterizations. This gives us plenty of time to focus on the plot and the characters, and this is what made the series so great. The best threads were not the ones where one user dumps those yunna picks (you know the ones) and we tell tougou to go the sleep. Its the threads where we discussed the future of the hero system. Why go out of your way to waste screen time when theres so much more you can focus on. While its fine in the side materials, Its pretty difficult to say they can hold their own better than the main series.

Then you have CCS which was really refreshing in its reluctance to sexualize the characters. Its not like CCS is a modest show either. Having a relationship between a teacher and student a somewhat a bold move. But theres so much more the show that inserting fanservice would have been completely unnecessary. Then take Pleiades. The swimsuit episode was easily the worst episode. It was so focused on providing fanservice for the cast that the quality of the episode clearly suffered

Mason Clark
Mason Clark

why isn't there more anime like cowboy bepop and attack on titan
I actually want an answer to this.
9/10 anime series per season focus around some kind of school.
Originality is rare these days.

Justin Cooper
Justin Cooper

Fansevice is alright here and there or in anime specifically meant to be fanservice shows.

But in show's that are meant to be be plot/ character development focused it can be distracting and take away from the mood of the show. Like how am I supposed to take a character with any amount of seriousness when the camera always focuses on their tits, or if their supposed to be a great warrior but their battle armor is essentially a bikini paired with a funny hat? How am I supped to feel bad a character died when the camera is focused on someone's ass? And don't even get me started on eroticised rape scenes.

Think about it like how Shiki tried to have a serious plot/ message despite the goofy character designs and other shenanigans. It just didn't work together.

Brandon Baker
Brandon Baker

More like 5/10. It's annoying, but don't exaggerate.

Leo Sanders
Leo Sanders

I don't get this weird neo-puritan thing. I used to blame Americans but their TV shows make ecchi anime look downright pure - ever seen HBO? Is this what happens when Saudis get internet or something?

There's literally nothing wrong with fanservice. There are shit shows that use it and also amazing ones that do. Tits alone can't carry a series, but that doesn't make them a bad thing to have.

Lucas White
Lucas White

can't take a 2d character seriously because of the way they dress instead of the their action.
Can't relate to that.

Logan Richardson
Logan Richardson

Because not all "arousing" things are good.

Its why most battle harems and lewd shows are snarked upon.

Asher Ramirez
Asher Ramirez

If the point of the show is fanservice, like Monster Musume, or a raucous nonsense comedy like Bakuon, then hell yes bring it on.

But if the show attempts to have another point, then fanservice is basically a signal from the creators "this isn't really interesting but if we shove enough tits and ass in your face you'll watch it anyway."

It often also feels completely out of place and very jarring, like if I'm supposed to seriously empathize with a character's feelings and then I'm shown basically a playboy photo-op of that character, it really strongly communicates "she's not a character, she's just fap fuel" and diminishes my engagement.

Liam Cox
Liam Cox

Fanservice is just garbage. Either embrace it and make a full-fledged lewd series or do not at all.

Nathaniel Wright
Nathaniel Wright

That fucking doujin

I forgot the name Sup Forums but it was absurdly cute, anyone able to find sauce?

Henry Clark
Henry Clark

Western fanservice is pure trash.
It's not because it's more or less erotic, but because it only about sex without any deeper meaning.
For example in manga/anime KissXsis had Ako and Riko are talking about sex all the time. Yet they aren't saying: "Keita has such a hot body, I want to fuck him". It's all about they real love for him, and they all want also to care about him and are exclusive to him.
I don't watch western TV at all, but I once had occasion to watch some show that my roommate often watch. It's being transmitted on just normal, popular TV station, but I don't remember which one. It was so full of fanservice, but there wasn't any real values in it. It was just about bunch of people, both male and females acting and talking like literal sluts. It's all was just lewd as fuck between the lines and plain promoting casual sex and pleasure for pleasure.

Christian Sullivan
Christian Sullivan

destroying trigger

There's nothing to destroy. Trigger is a below average studio.

Hunter Ward
Hunter Ward

mature themes

For mature people such as yourself?

Leo Hughes
Leo Hughes

You're so full of shit, there's 'tasteful' fanservice in the west and plenty of pure smut in Japan.

Gavin Young
Gavin Young

don't even get me started on eroticized rape scenes.

I know right, they are the best and I wish there was more.

John Thompson
John Thompson

The only people who hate fanservice are western normalfags. That's it.

Cooper Bell
Cooper Bell

Sometimes I wonder why normalfags even watch anime

They hate the fanservice
They hate the tropes
They hate how it's all in Japan and never in America
They hate having to read subtitles
They hate not understanding references to nip culture
They hate the artstyle
They hate how it doesn't try to conform to western morality
They hate who it's aimed to

There's probably more, but it's all that comes to mind. At that point, why not watch the latest Netflix capeshit release instead?

Robert Allen
Robert Allen

I guess, I have not seen any of these then.

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

I don't watch Western TV at all
And there's your problem. You based your opinion off of that one show your roommate watches. Just like anime there's some really trashy fanservice out there, but it has the same capabilities of being tasteful or good.

Elijah Russell
Elijah Russell

Monster Musime is living proof that you can have an ungodly amount of fanservice and even couple it with outlandish fetishes and still have pretty likeable characters with an interesting story.

Juan Brown
Juan Brown

SnS is a pretty good tasteful fanservice manga imo.

Andrew Long
Andrew Long

defending fan service
Good one.

Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

Trigger classic: inferno cop, witch academy
Only admire certain western animation as the progenitors of anime

Trigger 50% westified: Kill la kill, naka de
rap music in op, profane humor removed, lolis removed, strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)

Trigger 80% westified: Kiznaiver, uchuu patrol
Fan service removed, every one dressed like western hipsters, plot revolves around world peace and characters whining about their problems

Who knows whats next

Cameron Cox
Cameron Cox

The lewds certainly didn't stop KlK from being shit
you're right, what stopped KLK from being shit was the fun story and best girls

Dylan Bell
Dylan Bell

not necessarily bad
As long as they don't push the >haha stop being sexist strong womyn angle I'm fine with strong female leads.
I also hate when people go >but I can't hit a girl, shit's so bullshit when the girl in question can and will wipe the floor with your very best.

Adrian Turner
Adrian Turner

uchuu patrol
Everyone dressed like western hipsters
The girls are in middle school and wear short-ass skirts with their school uniforms and the big bad is wearing a literal fucking Kamui

Oliver Jenkins
Oliver Jenkins

This.
If fan-service is distracting you watch something else. Not everyone's moral compass is the same or need to change because of you.

Xavier Brooks
Xavier Brooks

Not everyone's moral compass is the same or need to change because of you
implying that's not exactly what's being pushed everywhere these days

Carter Cruz
Carter Cruz

Kill la kill
profane humor removed
what? there were plenty of rape jokes and shit
lolis removed
what about fucking nonon, also this is really a non-isssue because plenty of anime have no "lolis"
rap music in op
rap has been a part of anime culture since the early ninties
strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)
now i'm beginning to wonder if you've even seen anime before 2010. so many anime have had strong female leads, way more than western shows
fan-service removed
it's now obvious you haven't even seen it, one of the main characters wears less than a kamui and has a completely lewd body
every one dressed like western hipsters
what the fuck are talking about?
plot revolves around world peace and characters whining about their problems
have you even watched a single fucking anime?

are you fucking kidding me?

Jose Lopez
Jose Lopez

No shit. When is it gonna end...

Ian Morales
Ian Morales

Anime will be dead in less then 5 years, I guarantee it. It'll go the way of video games.

Gabriel Harris
Gabriel Harris

I don't believe it. alisa from god eater was still good even though she was just walking underboob.

Jack Clark
Jack Clark

this thread is worse than a /pol/ thread

Jack Murphy
Jack Murphy

Luluco
fanservice removed

Am I being baited?

Samuel Miller
Samuel Miller

klk became shit when it stopped being a sexplotation show about exhibitionism and turned into a run of the mill action show.

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)
as much retarded shit that tumblr spews out, the truth is that there really is nothing wrong with having strong female characters, and that women have been generally treated as weak idiots in most stories for a long time

Ethan Ross
Ethan Ross

The logic that'll lead to a meme show becoming real

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

/pol/ does have pretty good anime threads.
They really like Kiniro mosaic.

Parker Thompson
Parker Thompson

/pol/ is great, kys

Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

It just has to be not in-your-face about it, which anime generally is. Strong female leads are shit if they just HAVE to shout about the stereotype again womyn being ungrounded when even in-universe it IS grounded and they're special for being a girl, just like male MCs are shit if they #wonthitagirl even when the girl in question defies the condition that made it a thing (i.e. don't bully the weak ones) and is 10x stronger than the rest of the cast.

Connor Johnson
Connor Johnson

Strong female characters are rarely done well in power level centric series (Its always the butthurt DBZ and Naruto fags asking and wishing for that and they end up with pic related).

In more character driven stuff its alright.

That's the issue.

Blake Morgan
Blake Morgan

I've never seen an anime that tried to justify it's strong female lead. Only western shows do that.

Joshua Rivera
Joshua Rivera

this is true
strong womyn
shit and should be eradicated from the planet
strong women
pretty fucking cool

Carson Campbell
Carson Campbell

A yes the "I rape my brother while he sleeps" doujin, this was a good one.

Wyatt Roberts
Wyatt Roberts

erza is god-tier tho

Isaiah Scott
Isaiah Scott

It's a waste of time, and there are plenty of contexts where it would (and does) undermine the tone of a story or character. If I want porn, I can find actual porn easily.

Zachary Evans
Zachary Evans

Strong female characters are rarely done well in power level centric series
They can be if they're treated as just absurdly strong and not special for being a girl. The whole point of not hitting girls is that they're generally weaker, in powercentric series the distinction is moot because there would be plenty of girls who can shear the face off guys with a superpowered slap and on the high end of the spectrum simply remove people from existence or warp the world to their comfort.
She's a Mary Sue who asspulls her way out of victory, but that's just Fairy Tail in general.

Isaac Ward
Isaac Ward

while male character are treated as punching bags or winning good for nothing pervert in lots of anime as well.

Evan Perry
Evan Perry

I meant it generally did well and avoided being in your face, not that it was in your face.
They're usually treated as perverts who pull through when needed, so not quite the same as cockorbiters. One of the reasons I like Konosuba, because the MC is a prick that knows it and doesn't care, while the girls have actual fucking motivations besides the penis.

Jonathan Russell
Jonathan Russell

#wonthitagirl
Since when is not hitting a girl a tumblr thing? I'm more likely to hear SJWs complain about that sort of etiquette and hear middle-aged conservatives defend it.

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

Normal fags aren't intellectuals retard.

Jacob King
Jacob King

I misunderstood, sorry.

Bentley Reyes
Bentley Reyes

Why is this thread still up?

Brody Russell
Brody Russell

Spot the tubmlr-whale.

Cameron Ward
Cameron Ward

because there's nothing to watch at the moment.

Jackson Bennett
Jackson Bennett

Because you were raped by your uncle when you were 6

Jason White
Jason White

I never gave a shit about whether or not something is tumblr, just whether or not it makes sense.
If a girl complains about an unreasonable stereotype in a setting where one actually exists, yeah she SHOULD be. The hitting girls thing is just something retarded, why WON'T you defend yourself just because it has tits?

Charles Wood
Charles Wood

Erza has the loudest asspulls.

Natsu does things but the last memorable one was Grand Magic Games and the shit Erza did there was still louder.

Kevin Ward
Kevin Ward

Because.

Jaxson Williams
Jaxson Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_nurDfEq9M

Camden Phillips
Camden Phillips

Oh, I was assuming the # was meant to associate it with tumblr/SJWs.

Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

tits and ass signal that something's uninteresting
I can't empathize with a character unless they wear enough clothing

Sounds like the problem's with you m8. That's what I mean by the whole neopuritan mentality - you genuinely believe sexuality and the human body make people less worthwhile.

I don't, so I don't have any problem with fanservice. I don't like battle harems because the plots are generic, not because of the tits.

William Brooks
William Brooks

Literally the correct term retard. You are intrinsically different because you like vagoo rather than dick and so is the way you view the world.

Joseph Foster
Joseph Foster

weeaboos complain about fan service
boycotts Anime
but they all watch crunchyroll, funimation
CR and Funi goes out of business
Japanese continue to do its thing
SJW weebs stop watching anime because "I can't watch illegal"

I don't see the problem here

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

Nah it's just a hashtag, in retrospect /wonthitgirls/ probably would've been better for 4chinchans

Caleb Gonzalez
Caleb Gonzalez

Stop fucking posting this, mods deleted it for a reason the first time. Fuck off.

Wyatt Cooper
Wyatt Cooper

Yes, please don't use hashtags.

Ryder Taylor
Ryder Taylor

But if the show attempts to have another point
Then what matters is which came first.
If it's ecchi that tries to force a plot, then it's usually shit. If it's plot that adds PLOT, then it's not necessarily shit.

Gabriel Jones
Gabriel Jones

Theres shit anime studios that make non-entertaining anime and fill time with shit like mandatory beach episodes because they have nothing else going for them.
Some studios dont suck and make fanservice really entertaining and adds to the series value.

Zachary Cruz
Zachary Cruz

Implying Funi, Crunchy and now even Netflix and Amazon aren't pouring all their money into creating sterile west-oriented "anime" so they can prevent all the normalfags from dropping them.

Aiden Roberts
Aiden Roberts

What the fuck is the point of UMIDAAAA episodes anyway
Nothing ever actually happens in them except sometimes the harem gets a new member.

Kayden Bennett
Kayden Bennett

Yes, no shit, people who attracted to women want to see different things than people who are attracted to men. That doesn't mean complaining about it isn't retarded.

Camden Kelly
Camden Kelly

Beach episodes are a cornerstone of anime, so fuck you if you don't like it. Stop watching anime and kill yourself.

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

I think what he meant was that it works fine as long as the male gaze thing isn't profoundly standout (presuming it actually pretends to have a plot)
Shit like TLRD doesn't even pretend to give a shit about the plot, it's just >how will he hide a pussy in plain sight again
But if it tries to have a plot, then there shouldn't be tits outta fucking nowhere and a random pantyshot for no conceivable reason.
Or maybe he's an SJW faggot, who knows

Gavin Barnes
Gavin Barnes

Why shouldn't there be pantyshots and tits? Anime is made for men and men like those things.

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

Lewdness can only carry garbage for so long.

Elijah Thompson
Elijah Thompson

Anime is made for men and men like those things.
Not exclusively, in either case, and I don't really have a problem with fanservice.

Cameron Ross
Cameron Ross

The term "male gaze" can be useful, don't just quote it.

Adrian Young
Adrian Young

Anime is made for men
implying not little girls
I'm still not him but I'll just give an extrmee example
If we're in the middle of the hypest battle scene and randomly the female assist trips and loses her top so she has to handbra, that's some jarring bullshit right there. I'm supposing he's talking about that kind of stuff

Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

Japanese wanted to watch Western-oriented Anime

Kabaneri is an exception but look at Studio Trigger.

All the weebs love it yet it's not doing so hot in Japan.
The foreigner money is only a small slice of the Anime revenue

Therefore, they'll have to import different kinds of Anime including ecchi ones. Then SJW weebs will be offended by them and boycott those services. Or complain about it for its removal. But because these streaming services only offer a small share of the revenue, Japan will not be affected by those removal. CR will see less and less viewership then you know the rest

Aaron Cooper
Aaron Cooper

I hope you're right, user. I hope you're right.

That's just common sense, tho.

Yes it is. Anime that isn't aimed at men is either for children or fujoshit, which gays should have no trouble enjoying.

Easton Anderson
Easton Anderson

Feel like a shit but google and saucenao hate crops
What's it from?

Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore

Anime that isn't aimed at men is either for children or fujoshit
Yes, both of which are not men. So I am correct.

John Cruz
John Cruz

the fanservice tropes are really off putting for a western audience, panty shots and balloon tits only appeal to jap tv watchers. Why would internet accessing westerners give a fuck about so tame, out of place, forced sexyness?

Is there any conventional balloon tits pantyshot female character thats well known in the west?

Zachary Gray
Zachary Gray

tfw rail gun was good with misaka as the lead until mc-kun showed up to shit on everything with plot armor

Michael White
Michael White

The "hypest" action scene in monogatari had a fucking 'loli pussy covered by band-aid' shot, and not only didn't ruin the scene at all, in fact it made it even better once you notice it.

The climax of Gunbuster had Noriko ripping her shirt, exposing one of her tits. That's arguably one of the most memorable scene in anime.

You are full of shit.

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

And they wouldn't be watching anime featuring a lot of fanservice aimed at men, rendering the "male gaze" argument moot.

You fucking retard.

Cooper Davis
Cooper Davis

Yeah now imagine if in the Schwarzmarken finale Beatrix randomly stripped off before dying. That's the bs I'm imagining.

Daniel Gray
Daniel Gray

If we're in the middle of the hypest battle scene and randomly the female assist trips and loses her top so she has to handbra, that's some jarring bullshit right there. I'm supposing he's talking about that kind of stuff.
Yet for some reason I can accept that more than an asspull-plot armor-I'm an inexperienced teen wo can beat adult-bullshit that most anime character pulls.

Isaac Jackson
Isaac Jackson

my issue with erza is early on in fairy tail she was stated to be stronger than natsu but he always fought the strongest arc boss. That sort of changed recently with erza/natsu both fighting overpowered opponents that could give both of them trouble but unfortunately I can't stand current fairy tail.

James Perry
James Perry

Yeah, the points he's making aren't really about fanservice, they're just about general competence in directing/writing. You don't interrupt a climactic sequence for some random shit, sexual or snot.

Levi Price
Levi Price

Improve your reading comprehension, dummy.

Chase Evans
Chase Evans

Never said that was OK too unless there's a legit reason.
Yeah that was my point, sometimes poor directors stuff in PLOT, but in a shit way that takes away more than it adds

Josiah Green
Josiah Green

Read manga, dumbass. Anime is almost purely lowest common denominator entertainment meant to sell manga and light novels nowadays.

Gabriel Ross
Gabriel Ross

Only tumblrinas like you ever thought that the fan-service in KlK was anything more than that.

Nolan Parker
Nolan Parker

lowest common denominator entertainment
Wrong
Most anime are lucky to sell 3,000 BDs
You forget that anime is still a tiny niche of entertainment

Brody Scott
Brody Scott

never said you did m8. Just sharing my opinion on that.

Brayden Morris
Brayden Morris

How about giving an example that actually happened, then? Because from my perspective, seriously shitty instances of this are very rare.

Daniel Flores
Daniel Flores

I have a vague notion that it did happen quite a few times but can' actually remember any. Funny how that works huh h-heh please don't kill me I swear I'm not just shitposting

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

He's just spewing buzzwords. Ignore him, he probably forgot the actual meaning of lowest-common-denominator years ago.

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

It's apart of the culture doofus.
Caring about the west is retarded, Japanese make these shows for the fans tastes. Pick a new hobby pleb.

Ethan Cox
Ethan Cox

meant to sell manga and light novels nowadays.
Even stuff that sells very well like Haruhi was meant to advertise the books, and hasn't been continued despite being profitable on it's own.

Andrew Lopez
Andrew Lopez

No it's "used" to make fans happy.
"Fanservice" is actually a misnomer. Japanese creators like "fanservice" themselves, so they aren't doing it just for the sake of fans. Creators and fans are the same people in Japan.

High school is not mutually exclusive with originality, and originality is not a guarantee of quality. And if you are so concerned with originality then why do you want Bebop and Titan to be rehashed? There already are at least two shows similar to Titan anyway: Sidonia and Kabaneri. The latter is even an original show directed by Titan's director.

Elijah Perry
Elijah Perry

The male gaze argument is expressly about things targeted at male audiences. It's saying that stories are too often made exclusively with the male perspective in mind. It's not even really about fanservice in any specific sense.

Carter Price
Carter Price

It's saying that stories are too often made exclusively with the male perspective in mind
How is that even a problem

Nolan Peterson
Nolan Peterson

Are you a woman or a gay man? Othewise, you shouldn't be too hung up on stories being tailored for the male viewer.

Liam Scott
Liam Scott

not mentioning Muv Luv

Jonathan Green
Jonathan Green

stop liking what I don't like

Henry Torres
Henry Torres

The only thing I've really seen as a problem with the male perspective is that on average male LN/WN authors tend to be a lot worse at developing characters than female LN/WN authors for some reason. Particularly, male authors have the MC be a stuttering shitlord that suddenly becomes alpha during the fights and becomes beta again when alone with the girls, and have the girls be one-dimensional cardboards. They also fail humor forever.

Isaac Evans
Isaac Evans

LOf course they are made with the male perspective in mind. They are MADE FOR MEN. Jesus christ, are you mentally deficient? When do you see guys complaining about the "female gaze" in western romcoms.

Owen Price
Owen Price

Theres lots of situations where the anime could show contextually appropriate nudity, people are naked often in private setting, showering, changing clothes, sex.
Problem is when the shows cant be made for adults and only adults. you need this confusing tv friendly sexyness so the 13y old jap kids can also watch it.
If the anime industry could afford making actual nudity, nipples and intimate scenes there would be less of this tropey shit no one benefits from.

Juan Rivera
Juan Rivera

...hentai you mean?

Michael Evans
Michael Evans

i agree

Jayden Hall
Jayden Hall

I like watching stories from the perspectives of people who are unlike myself. I also like stories that aren't necessarily tailored specifically to my tastes. If all stories are tailored toward men, you end up with a lack of variety.

I don't have a problem with things tailored toward men either. Pretty much all good romcoms have elements of both male and female perspectives.

Gavin Ortiz
Gavin Ortiz

If you want to see their nipples so bad just buy the BD, you humongous fag.

Liam Davis
Liam Davis

HBO is the most popular TV show creator atm, what if anime industry copied their shows?
OFC by jap standards its then hentai but by western standards it'd be tv show aimed at adults.

Nathaniel Martinez
Nathaniel Martinez

Just read some shoujo
Or shows aimed at actual little girls

Evan Martin
Evan Martin

If all stories are tailored toward men, you end up with a lack of variety.

all men are the same

James Clark
James Clark

If all stories are tailored towards men, you end up with a lack of variety

Good thing this doesn't happen. Just look at the current spring and this summer's anime season, it's almost all fujoshit.

Lucas Nelson
Lucas Nelson

I'm trying and failing to understand how wanting things to be less aimed at your tastes is even a coherent concept.

Eli Bailey
Eli Bailey

Ah I see what you mean, basically if there were a Seinen anime channel?
Is the Seinen audience anywhere close to large enough though?

David Johnson
David Johnson

no

Samuel Parker
Samuel Parker

I don't want scenes where girls have 2 strands of hair glued to their breasts. It's just sad.

Hunter Richardson
Hunter Richardson

I have done both and enjoyed both.

I'm not saying that either.

I'm aware, I don't think it's really that big of a problem, I'm just explaining what the term means and why people subscribe to it.

Because I don't know everything I could like.

Parker Russell
Parker Russell

The seinen watchers don't want HBO-style shows, tho. They want cute SoLs.

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

Because I don't know everything I could like
That just means you don't know your own tastes.

William Wood
William Wood

Mindless fun and fanservice go hand-in-hand. Nothing wrong with them at all unless you insist on only watching mature anime for mature MAL reviewers such as yourself.

Christian Jones
Christian Jones

If it's not a big deal, then stop shitting up Sup Forums for fuck's sake. If you want to preach that bullshit go to tumblr or reddit for all we care.

Asher Rivera
Asher Rivera

I don't know what seinen is
Every time.

Alexander Russell
Alexander Russell

Why isnt there comparable market for HBO style shows as there is in the west? Doesnt make sense.

Jeremiah Taylor
Jeremiah Taylor

Japanese broadcast standards are a blessing in disguise. Having nudity and sex all over the place would only be detrimental.

tropey shit
Literally everything is a trope.

Maybe the Japanese aren't depressed self-loathing fucks like people who watch HBO shows.

Chase Hall
Chase Hall

That just means you don't know your own tastes.
Nobody fully understands their tastes, and it's always good to be open to new things.

Nolan Morgan
Nolan Morgan

Because that's not what nips wanna watch?

Josiah Allen
Josiah Allen

Anime isn't live-action, user. How's the market for HBO-style cartoons in the West?

Brody Hernandez
Brody Hernandez

This might shock you but japan isn't full of americans

Brody Flores
Brody Flores

I don't think there's a better word for adult anime even if seinen technically doesn't refer to that.

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

The phrase would be "mature content" or something similar, but of course you don't want to use that because you know it'd make you look silly.

Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

Consider that the K-On manga is seinen.

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

shitting up Sup Forums
This threads existence is shitting up Sup Forums, might as well do a bit of education in the meantime.

Christian Rivera
Christian Rivera

m-muh fanservice
Grow up kids, not everyone is mentally 14 yo horny kids like you

Carson Powell
Carson Powell

urgh

Jackson Martinez
Jackson Martinez

education

Useless SJW bullshit isn't knowledge, it's puritanical cancer.

Tyler Cooper
Tyler Cooper

haha everyone who likes sexy girls is a horny 14 year old
t. 15 year old

Jason Jones
Jason Jones

Because they are. Women are shallow creatures and the only interesting thing about them is the wet hole between their legs.

Chase Turner
Chase Turner

Whether you agree or not isn't the point, I'm just explaining what the term actually means.

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

Why isn't every culture the same? It doesn't make sense.

Grayson Kelly
Grayson Kelly

if 30 somethings watch late night HBO shows in west what do 30 something japs watch?
Surely the market for entertainment aimed at adults is huge in japan.

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

They don't watch anime in the first place you dumb fuck
They do have other shows on tv that aren't anime

Ayden Johnson
Ayden Johnson

Nips in their 30's don't watch anything. They're too busy getting 5 hours of sleep before going to work again.

Andrew Cooper
Andrew Cooper

They don't have time to watch anything, they are too busy killing themselves working at their slave job.

Austin Gray
Austin Gray

surely that was gen y japs, not millenial japs

Henry Cruz
Henry Cruz

the fact that you didn't even mention that she was already wearing a skin tight suit with balloon tits proves that putting tits everywhere doesn't run shit.

Ryder Carter
Ryder Carter

Replace the salaryman job with working 3 part-time jobs and you have millenial japs.

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

off to /r9k/ with you.

Ryder Peterson
Ryder Peterson

Cant deny facts.

Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

I'm not talking about all 2D women, nerd.

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

Live-action. Something called Shitamachi rocket was apparently really popular last year.

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

Yeah cause I never argued that the tits themselves ruin anything but that bad directing often chooses to spam fanservice.
It's the same with dudes though, the only difference between male MCs and female MCs in theory is which gender they're with.
Why the fuck are you talking about 3D women on Sup Forums if it's not a post about how you fucked your sister?

Ayden Martinez
Ayden Martinez

Could also be /pol/, they're basically the same regarding women.

Isaac Edwards
Isaac Edwards

Men aged 30-39 constituted 36.7% of male Comiket circle organizers in 2009. 40 and above constituted 9.8%

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

BECAUSE IT'S TRUE NIGGER

Josiah James
Josiah James

What are you even talking about?
Don't forget about /v/ and /fit/. Can't have any slut- or bodyshamers on your Sup Forums, right?

Christian Scott
Christian Scott

talking about 3D women
on Sup Forums
It doesn't matter if it's true or not and it isn't because at the very least you missed their tits.
I'm not talking about all 2D women, nerd

Jason Carter
Jason Carter

The kind of men who go to comiket aren't the same kind of men working a full-time job or multiple part-time jobs. They are the kind of guys who work one job to be able to pay the rent of their one room appartment and buy food and use the rest on animu shit.

Robert Fisher
Robert Fisher

We don't concern ourselves with 3d, doesn't mean there aren't any flatchest vs cowtits or whatever threads.

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

Can't have any slut- or bodyshamers on your Sup Forums, right
You can though, just not against 3DPD because you shouldn't even be talking about those. You have >[x] is a slut threads all the time.

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

I said not all 2D women are whores but did I ever imply that this was the case for 3D women? No I didn't, so kindly go away.

Hudson Scott
Hudson Scott

I said not all 2D women are whores but did I ever imply that this was the case for 3D women? No I didn't, so kindly go away.
What the fuck are YOU talking about?
Because they are. Women are shallow creatures and the only interesting thing about them is the wet hole between their legs.
If you meant 2D then that's not true and also irrelevant since you can write them however, if you meant 3D fuck off to /r9k/ or /soc/ or whatever to discuss 3DPD.

Jaxson Sanchez
Jaxson Sanchez

NEET weeb refers to his doting mother as a whore
What would she think if she looked over your shoulder?

Kayden Carter
Kayden Carter

Do people in Japan ever complain about fan service or alienating fan bases or anything?

If they don't then I don't get why people complain, the genre isn't marketed towards anyone but people in Japan. I don't think any shows made in NA are made in mind for foreign audiences either

Cooper Watson
Cooper Watson

Moving the goalposts and stereotyping. You're a real winner.

Tyler Lewis
Tyler Lewis

Who gives a fuck. She probably was a big whore in her prime age.

Colton Hill
Colton Hill

Do people in Japan ever complain about fan service or alienating fan bases or anything?
No.

Hudson Davis
Hudson Davis

wild speculation
which is why I'll diss my mom because /r9k/ tells me all women are cockorbiting walking pussies who avoid me and me alone
Truly epic, inb4 projection.

Daniel Ward
Daniel Ward

What the hell are you even talking about.

Brandon Jenkins
Brandon Jenkins

Can't I talk about anime women without some 2-dimensional feminist attacking my post?
Did I ever call 3D women whores? My original post was obviously about 2D women. Only someone from tumblr could take offense to that.
Actually, I don't even know nor do I care. I don't live in the USA and we don't have many niggers around these parts.

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

Well for one my mom was never religious and she was quite cute when she was young. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Jordan James
Jordan James

What the fuck is going on.

Christopher Thompson
Christopher Thompson

You moving goalposts:
The kind of men who go to comiket aren't the same kind of men working a full-time job or multiple part-time jobs.

And stereotyping:
They are the kind of guys who work one job to be able to pay the rent of their one room appartment and buy food and use the rest on animu shit.

Parker Long
Parker Long

Who said anything about niggers?

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

Only niggers can ruin a women.
I don't know myself.

Alexander Cook
Alexander Cook

Can't I talk about anime women without some 2-dimensional feminist attacking my post?
You can though, but people are telling you that it's some /r9k/ tier bullshit, and if you weren't just meming and actually meant it it's obviously false.
Because they are. Women are shallow creatures and the only interesting thing about them is the wet hole between their legs.
This sort of shit doesn't even make sense applied to 2D women, since you can literally give them whatever fucking personality and backstory you want. They're made up.
I don't know either. Am I talking to three different posters in the same reply chain or some shit?

Xavier Ward
Xavier Ward

But they are. And I'm not saying that in a bad way; I'm part of em; I have never worked more than 3 days a week and still had enough wagebucks to buy my degenerate shit.

Parker Gutierrez
Parker Gutierrez

literally made-up wishy-washy tumblrite bullshit
FTFY. Unless you're literally retarded enough to think that all males have the exact same opinions and outlook.

Daniel Campbell
Daniel Campbell

Thread about fanservice
People starts bad-mouthing niggers

Never stop being you, Sup Forums.

Elijah Collins
Elijah Collins

Yeah and that's purely anecdotal evidence, all that proves or even provides evidence for is that at least one person who buys degenerate shit fits that description.
Now I'm sure there's a lot of them, but you don't just cut out entire groups of people because you seem to think that your own case is representative.

Ryan Butler
Ryan Butler

I'm part of em;
Oh so you're just projecting.

Evan Hill
Evan Hill

Their reputation can't get any worse either way.

Brandon Taylor
Brandon Taylor

Too often are "mature themes" used as a stand-in for quality.

Jaxson Sanchez
Jaxson Sanchez

So because 12 dudes out of the thousands who go to comiket actually have good jobs, I can't generalize them all?

Jonathan Perry
Jonathan Perry

Holy shit, an actual proper use of the word "projecting."

Ethan Collins
Ethan Collins

This thread is fucking shit.

Mason Martin
Mason Martin

So are you.

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

This too
They also seem to attract massive numbers of fans that defend it to the death (like Kerryfags)
That's not what the case is though. It's that you know personally one (1) dude out of the thousands that go to comiket and that one dude has a shit job and shit life and therefore think that you can generalize this to everyone who goes to comiket.

David Gomez
David Gomez

Wouldn't be so bad if some little bitch didn't get offended at calling some women whores.

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

no u

Jordan Rogers
Jordan Rogers

Someome who doesn't have a shit life doesn't go to comiket buy loli doujns and denpa albums.

Jaxson Barnes
Jaxson Barnes

That and another idiot refusing to accept that anime isn't for the typical adult that's part of normal society.

Nathaniel Scott
Nathaniel Scott

At least we get to hang out with friends.

Nathan Cox
Nathan Cox

It has nothing to do with you calling 2d women whores and everything to do with you doing so for no valid reason and when its completely fucking wrong.
You didn't give any names of specific whores, you just generalized and said that they are in general good for nothing but their bagina when that doesn't even add to the discussion besides being obvious bait
If they're actually just whores, then they're usually written poorly (which was the original point anyway).

Lucas Thomas
Lucas Thomas

You're doing it again.

Isaiah Hall
Isaiah Hall

you are not allowed to ever contradict me or even try for your own viewpoint that isn't in agreement with mine or you're just an offended little bitch
Why do I even fucking bother

Noah Clark
Noah Clark

otaku are all depressed NEET failures!
I love this meme.

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown

You need to calm down, friendo. Do you realize you're getting mad about anime? I think you need to reevaluate your priorities in life, buddy. It's not even just one anime you're complaining about, it's the whore- I mean whole concept.

Go take your valium and you ritalin or whatever meds schizophrenics take and go take a shower.

Charles Cooper
Charles Cooper

I understand you're in deep denial, but it's time to come to terms with it.

Lucas Nguyen
Lucas Nguyen

Explain to me how police girl fan service ruined hellsing without coming out of the closet

Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

Well meme'd, sir.

Aiden Young
Aiden Young

Trigger has kind of given up already though, both their shows this season are extremely normalfagcore.
But you're right, seeing people cry about how anime needs to "have more substance", "be more mature", or how "the industry is dying" because of fanservice always makes me laugh. I'm glad that these people will never have any say in what Japan does, they don't give a fuck about the west and they love doing what they do. I'm glad I'm able to enjoy anime.

Ethan Powell
Ethan Powell

I'd say at least a good half of them are, mostly because the social stigma that comes with being one either forces you into NEEThood or makes you let go of it to prevent NEEThood or just shaming by regulars.
I ain't mad, I'm just extremely fucking confused as to whether or not you're baiting because I can't even find a counterpoint that you made.

Bentley Diaz
Bentley Diaz

Who are you quoting?

Gavin Bell
Gavin Bell

Who said I was a sir? That's so sexist of you.

:^)

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

What a meme

Charles Phillips
Charles Phillips

You could have cute moe girls in a gardening anime jerking off cucumbers and spraying eachother with the hose and thatd be totally fine as long as they have a 5th grade understanding of male anatomy and no sex drive beyond potential subtle yuri lust.

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

I love this thread.
It's like all of Sup Forums is uniting and pouring all of their tism into it.

Brody Smith
Brody Smith

There's no counterpoint because I'm right and you're an idiot.

Carter Diaz
Carter Diaz

social stigma
So stigmatic that Love Live: The Movie was the 8th most popular movie last year and the series has been used to advertise family restaurants, chewing gums and tourism, and has had a single advertised on the Yamanote Line.

Angel Rivera
Angel Rivera

Don't 5th graders usually know about the penis, if not through porn then through some sort of cursory sex ed

Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

Let's be honest, having a dakimakura, tit mousepad or owning a pile of loli mindbreak doujins is probably not really the same as simple acceptance of anime and cursory recognition of the big icons.

Gavin Hall
Gavin Hall

Are you telling me that if we get rid of generals we would have the board filled with this kind of threads? It's time to embrace the generals.

Aiden Hughes
Aiden Hughes

And we have Masterchief on Doritos bags here in the west. What's your point?

Joseph Williams
Joseph Williams

Oh, and also:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-16/could-love-live-make-an-appearance-at-the-tokyo-olympics/.101077
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-11-21/newspaper-love-live-idols-nogizaka46-to-sing-at-new-year-kohaku-battle/.95655

Love Live is a late night anime series about school idols, not Lupin III or Doraemon.

And just because you have "loli mindbreak doujins" (I guess doujinshi just HAS to be weird, right) doesn't mean you can't be a normal member of society.

My point is that this massive "social stigma" that Westerners keep going on and on about doesn't exist.

Dominic Perez
Dominic Perez

Masterchief on Doritos bags here in the west.
really?

Logan Foster
Logan Foster

And just because you have "loli mindbreak doujins" (I guess doujinshi just HAS to be weird, right) doesn't mean you can't be a normal member of society.
Yeah, that's right - you CAN. That's why I estimated roughly half, not every single one of them
My point is that this massive "social stigma" that Westerners keep going on and on about doesn't exist.
Are you sure? Doesn't the word 'otaku' carry a pretty negative connotation in and of itself in nipponland?

Zachary Nguyen
Zachary Nguyen

Of course westerners are going to exaggerate the social stigma japs have towards men watching anime, but it's still there. Compare it to some 30 year old saying he plays video games 10 years ago, in the west.

Thomas Morgan
Thomas Morgan

Pretty regularly, yes. CoD too. There was even Destiny characters on redbull cans a couple months ago

Wyatt Cook
Wyatt Cook

You can make whatever thread you want about whatever topic. How could some one be pro-general and anti-threads?

Caleb Jackson
Caleb Jackson

Why do Americans always act so surprised when they learn that other countries have different moral values than theirs?

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

Are you sure? Doesn't the word 'otaku' carry a pretty negative connotation in and of itself in nipponland?
The word 'otaku' has like a million different contextual meanings that don't necessarily have to do with anime at all. It's basically just 'geek.'

Anthony Jenkins
Anthony Jenkins

Lack of education
Not well traveled
Fed the "we #1" propaganda since birth

Amongst others

Anthony Price
Anthony Price

doritos redbull
i dont think normal people eat that junk

Henry Myers
Henry Myers

Exactly. This guy gets it.

Brandon Campbell
Brandon Campbell

What the fuck are you talking about?

Nathaniel Watson
Nathaniel Watson

it seems like the kind of garbage neck beards consume

Tyler Collins
Tyler Collins

Oh, they do. They eat Doritos while getting shitfaced without looking at the vidya character on the bag and refuel the next day by drinking RB or Monsters.

Parker Ortiz
Parker Ortiz

Yeah, that's right - you CAN. That's why I estimated roughly half, not every single one of them
What is this estimation even based on?

Are you sure?
Yes. Did you read any of the things I just said about Love Live?

Also:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-02-14/oreimo-kirino-drums-up-voters-for-japan-election/.98628
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/02/01/are-you-otaku-roughly-40-percent-of-japanese-college-students-say-yes/
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2016-04-30/girls-and-panzer-film-earns-over-1.9-billion-yen/.101476
https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2016/04/27/evangelion-credit-cards-a-must-have-for-otaku/
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-03-01/hatsune-miku-song-ranks-top-choice-for-high-school-graduation-theme/.99274
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-03-04/watamote-tomoko-goes-out-to-the-ball-game-to-support-the-chiba-lotte-marines/.99409
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-03-03/simpson-motorcycle-helmets-are-latest-to-collab-with-bakuon-anime/.99323

Doesn't the word 'otaku' carry a pretty negative connotation in and of itself in nipponland?
Things change. Do you think "geek culture," video games and computers were always popular and socially acceptable in America?

Brody Mitchell
Brody Mitchell

270 replies
not a single example of jarring fanservice
Numerous counter examples of good fanservice
All hypothetical triggerings

Ryder Sanders
Ryder Sanders

Things change. Do you think "geek culture," video games and computers were always popular and socially acceptable in America?
im pretty sure nerds are just as reviled as ever here, just the definition of nerd changed.

Nolan Morris
Nolan Morris

I'd say this is more proof of the nips' love for mascots and such characters than their acceptance of anime and all of its quirks, but what do I know.

Gabriel Martin
Gabriel Martin

Boy that makes me feel horrible.

Lucas Howard
Lucas Howard

pretty much, it use to mean someone with an obsession with an esoteric hobby to the point of a being a social pariah, now it kind of just means someone with mild intrests in "nerdy" stuff.

Ayden Jenkins
Ayden Jenkins

This. Now the term gamer includes people who play mobage as well and comic book nerds include people who read some Iron Man or Batman comics because of the movies and will move on to the next new trend in couple of years' time.

Those nerds as in the ones who are really into the hobbies and consume a shit lot of the works from the hobbies? Still viewed as losers if you're an adult.

Ayden Watson
Ayden Watson

Do you think "geek culture," video games and computers were always popular and socially acceptable in America?
those that were called geeks back then are called autists now and those that were called hipsters then are called geeks now,
in the grand scheme of things nothing has really changed.

Dylan Thompson
Dylan Thompson

You're just saying that to feel better about your own pathetic life.

Nolan Nguyen
Nolan Nguyen

calling others pathetic on Sup Forums

Parker Davis
Parker Davis

implying they aren't filthy casuals looking for cheap 'alternative' entertainment to amuse them for the short term before finding a new stuff to latch on to.

Cameron Long
Cameron Long

You're so right I'm impressed.

Wyatt Thomas
Wyatt Thomas

They do love mascots:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-03-19/crowdfunding-secured-for-anime-short-on-kyoto-subway-girls/.99981

But having mascots or similar characters doesn't necessitate doing collabs with OreImo, Watamote and Love Live.

Also here's two more:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-07/university-professor-uses-bakemonogatari-in-japanese-literature-class/.100779
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-12-01/hello-kitty-cafe-teams-up-with-monogatari-series/.81627

Matthew Wood
Matthew Wood

So is everyone on Sup Forums and everyone who is really into otaku culture.

If you don't hate yourself, go lift or play some sport or something. Don't waste your time on anime.

Sebastian Hughes
Sebastian Hughes

Exactly.

Leo Morris
Leo Morris

The point is that comic book and fantasy stuff, video games, computers, programming etc. are now socially acceptable and fashionable in America. In the same way, "otaku" stuff has become more and more acceptable in Japan. Because things change.

Julian Morris
Julian Morris

Didn't Watamote sell like shit.

Adrian Clark
Adrian Clark

A good chunk of people like cute mascot characters
A small chunk of people like cute anime girls
Why not kill two birds with one stone

Alexander Ortiz
Alexander Ortiz

this thread is fucking shit and everyone of you is a fucking idiot.

Ryan Thomas
Ryan Thomas

Maybe the anime did, but the manga is still on-going.

Evan Wood
Evan Wood

I'm not saying you shouldn't be pathetic, I'm saying Japan is turning out to be a bunch of twitter posting normalfags and you hate that.

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

every wageslave and teenager drink redbull and eat doritos. you can't fucking get away from them.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

/thread

Austin Taylor
Austin Taylor

I'm sorry but what? Of course 90% of japs are gross normalfags, you'd have to be a fool to say otherwise.

You're the one saying japs all love anime and don't put any stigma on people who watch it.

Is there something I'm not getting? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Aiden Evans
Aiden Evans

No, but males are different from females. And are more likely to be attracted to women than females

Jaxon Gonzalez
Jaxon Gonzalez

But that would mean CR and others actually does support the industry and Sup Forums told me they only give pennies to the creators.

John Ross
John Ross

He's saying there's not as much of a stigma as long as you can pass as a normalfag. Probably.

Bentley Hernandez
Bentley Hernandez

japs all love anime and don't put any stigma on people who watch it
I don't think anyone said this.

There's also Americans who look down on cape movies and video games and whatnot.

Gabriel Ross
Gabriel Ross

"Autist" is not in common usage, user.

Nathan Brown
Nathan Brown

It's like that everywhere, but if you're the kind of fat sweaty otaku who waits 3h in line in the summer heat with 4000 other people just to have a chance at buying some mindbreak loli doujins, people are gonna mock you, even if they are slanted-eyed nips.

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

autists, losers, creeps ect...

Anthony White
Anthony White

Well, they are putting their jew gold into a few shows total, nor the industry as a whole. Even that is most likely dwarfed by the jap market, tho. If they can get the nips to see the west as a good target, then anime will be fucked for good.

Camden Wood
Camden Wood

Comiket sells a lot of shit, not just "mindbreak loli doujins."

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

Sorry, I forgot the pedo music, the super niche doujin games, the touhou remixes and the 2000$ life-size figures.

Lucas Fisher
Lucas Fisher

Weebs are fucking autistic and can't fucking see how horny and pathetic they look about fanservice.

It's not just MURRIKA, even in Japan anime nerds are seen as retards too.

Noah Russell
Noah Russell

pedo music
The what?

the super niche doujin games, the touhou remixes
Touhou alone is so big that it has its own yearly convention with I think 50K circles.

See:

Josiah Parker
Josiah Parker

Ask a japanese about it, they'll probably say they wish it was about something less cutesy/more mature and that Japan is seen as a childish country.

Julian Reed
Julian Reed

The what?
You know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1HrEy12lU

Hunter Young
Hunter Young

He doesn't know about pedo music

https://youtu.be/FHoPMW768pg

And you're trying to educate me?

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

Retarded faggots I HOPE THEY GET KEKED BY MUSLIMS.

Luke Sanchez
Luke Sanchez

Ask them about what?

That's denpa music and has nothing to do with pedophilia.

David Rivera
David Rivera

I know what it's called. Show denpa to any normalfag and I guarantee you he'll call it "weird pedo music".

Kevin Gray
Kevin Gray

DENIAL

Jose Bennett
Jose Bennett

If you showed normies Korean, Japanese and Chinese writing they would probably not be able to tell which is which. Doesn't mean they're now all the same language.

Logan Morris
Logan Morris

Reading moonrunes is not associated with a crime, user.

Benjamin Hall
Benjamin Hall

Of what?

Justin Morales
Justin Morales

This is the most retarded argument I've ever read. Good job, user.

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

So why are you calling it that as well? If you were trying to hide the fact that you're a huge normalfag I'm afraid you blew your cover pretty hard.

Tyler Morgan
Tyler Morgan

korean is actually pretty diffrent from the other two im sure they could tell.

Jaxson Roberts
Jaxson Roberts

That's not the point you dense motherfucker.

You're saying that denpa music is "pedo music" just because some normie doesn't know what he's talking about. Well by that same logic Korean, Japanese and Chinese must all be the same language if people can't tell them apart.

Luke Sanders
Luke Sanders

normie doesn't know what he's talking about.
The normie has a solid point, denpa very much IS pedo music. Thinking otherwise is just denial.

Andrew Nelson
Andrew Nelson

Look at me, with my hundreds of denpa albums, the epitome of normalfaggotry.

I called denpa pedo music for the same reason we call anime animu and manga mango, you stupid retard.

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

If you can't see how denpa could be seen as pedo music, I think you may be either deaf, severely mentally impaired or both.

Nathan Williams
Nathan Williams

What is retarded about it?

It has nothing to do with pedophilia.

I just had to check my address bar to make sure I'm actually on Sup Forums.

Dominic Roberts
Dominic Roberts

Whatever nigger.

Owen Myers
Owen Myers

https://youtu.be/36Ctw6mRXvQ

nothing to do with pedophilia

You know Ro-Kyu-Bu? That show had NOTHING to do with pedophilia either. Kodomo no Jikan? Nothing to do with it either

Jayden Lee
Jayden Lee

Then explain what denpa music has to do with pedophilia.

Those shows aren't related to pedophilia either.

Michael Allen
Michael Allen

Touma is a god though user. He makes Railgun exponentially better when he shows up.

John Diaz
John Diaz

KILL YOURSELF

Oliver Hall
Oliver Hall

Oh I get it, you're trolling.

Gavin Green
Gavin Green

I can't focus on a show if there are tits
Most people aren't hooked onto a show unless there are tits.
There are so many good shows out there that hooked using tits and turned out to be amazing. Prison school for example.

I mean think about. I care for a character ten times more if they are cute than otherwise. A lot of shows use that as a way to fuck you over when they kill the girls like akame ga kill.

Noah Evans
Noah Evans

>>141244074
Why?

>>141244082
How am I trolling?

Is this really what Sup Forums has become?

Nicholas Myers
Nicholas Myers

Source?

Adrian Nguyen
Adrian Nguyen

Anyone going to post sauce on OP?

Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

>>141244179
What?

Still waiting for someone to explain the connection been denpa and pedophilia by the way.

Brandon Reed
Brandon Reed

The only time i dislike fanservice is when its lew of something interesting happening. I can go anywhere for the MC walking in on a bunch of naked/undressing chicks, but my time is not infinite and I want to be entertained. I'd rather watch Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? than shitty harem ecchi anime number 5.

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