Shading thread

Brandon Peterson
Brandon Peterson

How is this even possible in current year 2016?
I thought the anime industry decided that shading was commercially non-viable long ago?
They're literally burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZA-ov99LU
http://yoshi-x2.tumblr.com/post/125688848340/some-god-eater-genga-currently-on-display-in
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=16595
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-03-18/.99932
http://ctrlpaint.org
https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/animestyle-007-sound-euphonium-interview-director-tatsuya-ishihara-series-director-naoko-yamada-part-2/
Blake Thomas
Blake Thomas

Nothing is "non viable", user. No matter how good an author is, there remains only a limited market space for any type of art direction. If you're the only game in town with X art style, you'll snag that market.

Owen Powell
Owen Powell

Because TV anime is better than ever.

Aaron Wright
Aaron Wright

The fuck are you on about senpai

Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

Because WIT are gods

G O D S

Isaiah Lewis
Isaiah Lewis

WIT is saving the industry

Dominic Kelly
Dominic Kelly

WIT doesnt give a shit, they do whatever they want.

Luke Turner
Luke Turner

Why do SnK fags always have to bring up their show when someone talks about Kabaneri?

Zachary Miller
Zachary Miller

Same show, dude.

Ian Sullivan
Ian Sullivan

because its SnK 2.0

Wyatt Thomas
Wyatt Thomas

Shading thread
I like how you misspelled shitposting general.

Carter Morales
Carter Morales

God Eater did it better.

Tyler Reed
Tyler Reed

Until 3 tones with huge black shadows come back, I won't be satisfied.

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

Flat shading fags BTFO
BTFO!

Jacob Harris
Jacob Harris

Because they have an animator clean it up and add make-up effects digitally

Cameron Thomas
Cameron Thomas

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Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward

There's been an awakening.

Can you feel it?

The dark side.

And the light.

Zachary Robinson
Zachary Robinson

One flop at a time.

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

And it looks like dick. The eyes look tacked on

Logan Ward
Logan Ward

4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.

Yet here you are making a thread about it.

Easton Martinez
Easton Martinez

The 4 layer shading in Kabaneri magically disappears when things are actually moving.

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

That's not 4-tone.

Wyatt Brown
Wyatt Brown

That's 3D though.

Luis Kelly
Luis Kelly

This show is so pretty I actually can't care if it's just an unoriginal rip-off.

Leo Sanders
Leo Sanders

It's only 4-tone for relatively still scenes and close-ups.

It's lazy as fuck and not true 4-tone like the GOAT 80s and 90s. Fuck, I wish we could go back to the old days of pure action animes with alpha male MCs and not this strong wimmin shit.

Caleb Carter
Caleb Carter

That looks fucking shit.

Samuel Foster
Samuel Foster

if only they could see that blur always looks fucking shit

Leo Phillips
Leo Phillips

Implying SnK isn't a success

Caleb Brooks
Caleb Brooks

not this strong wimmin shit

I was considering spamming you with female action protagonists from the 80s and 90s but I'm too lazy.

Jason Brooks
Jason Brooks

Standard procedure. Same with hi-budget 80s OVAs like Bubblegum Crisis.
Why waste it on bits the human eye won't see?

Ryan Ward
Ryan Ward

Good. I wouldn't like to post in one thread with people who take such terrible baits.

Jackson Foster
Jackson Foster

Because you're lying and you can't.

Gabriel Lee
Gabriel Lee

And some close-up with barely anything moving have even more complex shading than OP's image. They are obviously going to be smart about when to use it. Some anime will lose almost any kind of shading during actions scenes and everything that is not the background will be 100% flat.

Blake Ross
Blake Ross

not this strong wimmin shit.

Anime might not be your thing if you don't like kick-ass girls.

Wyatt Robinson
Wyatt Robinson

strong wimmin shit.

The stronk wymin in Kabaneri have a somewhat western feel, I agree.

But in general, kickass girls in anime have been separate from western feminism; the focus isn't to undermine or compete with men in the same way that COUGH (jewish) feminism is in the west.

Jeremiah Perez
Jeremiah Perez

not four tone shading
pointless SnK plug by some retard that's not even watching kabaneri

It would be nice to have one shitposter free thread.

Xavier Collins
Xavier Collins

Nope. If it were, that'd arguably be even more amazing.

Ryder Young
Ryder Young

And? Literally every animation in history has done this. Nobody will notice it during a fast action scene except for autists like you that rewatch a scene a dozen times to find something to nitpick, so it's better to use that time and effort elsewhere.

It's only 4-tone for relatively still scenes and close-ups.

That's still more than pretty much any modern show, so I'll take it.

Austin Myers
Austin Myers

MUH 4 TONE SHADING REQUIRES A HIGH BUDGET

This applies to anime of any age, though. People laud older anime lbecause they cherry pick a few close-up shots from OVAs and shows they've never watched, then apply retard logic and say that it was standard for all scenes when it was used just as much/little as shows/OVAs/movies today [that bother with more than two shades].

The only thing that's really missing is flat blacks because they've been out of fashion for decades..

Julian Reed
Julian Reed

Just like in old anime.

Wyatt Cooper
Wyatt Cooper

i watch old anime notice me xd

Nolan Torres
Nolan Torres

Yeah, we should all watch fun and comfy animes like Haifuri and Kumamiko. They're the zenith of anime quality.

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

I prefer good sakuga than good shading on stills. Kabaneri sadly doesn't have much sakuga so far.

Aaron Martinez
Aaron Martinez

That looks like shit though.

Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

It's just a pretty show in general. Not because of the shading, but the aesthetic and character designs are nice. It's an added bonus that WiT are putting a little bit more effort into their talking head scenes than other studios, but that's all it is, a bonus.

Anthony Lee
Anthony Lee

cherry pick a few close-up shots from OVAs
Those OVAs look good in moving form too. Check out some webms. And the fact remains that modern OVAs still don't look as good as the ones from the 80s and 90s.

Luke Hall
Luke Hall

They burned all their budget, episode 4 looked like shit.

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

Well it's WIT after all so everyone was expecting that already.

John Davis
John Davis

I know. But the way some people here preach about MUH 4 TONE SHADING, you'd think they're saying that shading is the only qualifier of what makes something look good and ALWAYS require a high budget when both are falsh. Plenty of MUH 4 TONE SHADING looks like shit and it doesn't mean a show has an absurdly high budget. It's a style choice and whether people like it or not, it's been out of vogue for most of the last two decades.

Modern OVAs don't look as good as some OVAs from the 80s and 90s. Simply by numbers, the 80s and 90s are going to look better since there were more OVAs. But if you watch some more, outside of the big ones that everyone knows and everyone cites as being the norm, there's also shitty OVAs out there that aren't quite as polished.

Dominic Watson
Dominic Watson

It is a pretty show in general, it's just that all the criticisms leveled against the shading so far have been baseless. It's just people searching for reasons to dislike a solid show.

Aside from more still pans, I thought it looked pretty good. Do you have any particular examples of quality?

Daniel Gutierrez
Daniel Gutierrez

We will never see anything like Bubblegum Crisis ever again

Time to depart this homosexual realm.

Levi James
Levi James

falsh
I can't even excuse that as a typo.

Hudson Gutierrez
Hudson Gutierrez

I'm not going to lie, I've avoided most threads, so I haven't seen much in the way of criticism other than comparing it to SnK.

Aiden Green
Aiden Green

It's just nice to see based Mikimoto back on form.
I thought he'd gone the way of most 80s big names and died or turned to porn calendars.

Josiah Williams
Josiah Williams

That's probably a good idea overall. Sometimes there's fun discussion or grade A memes and shops, but there's a ton of dedicated shitposters (or maybe a few REALLY dedicated shitposters) that fuck up most threads. Baseless SnK comparisons are still rampant, but now they've started to call it a Tokyo Ghoul clone among other things, the Frodos aren't even trying anymore, and most talk of shading just leads to somebody posting that Hibike Emporium 2x2 of really bad shading or spamming that you're from Reddit for liking shading. It's not even criticism, it's just shit.

Wyatt Peterson
Wyatt Peterson

Best Mikimoto girl coming through.

Bentley Johnson
Bentley Johnson

*Obari intensifies*

Andrew Johnson
Andrew Johnson

the shading should be softer. it looks like shit if you can see the exact line that divides 1 tone of the other.

Nathaniel Clark
Nathaniel Clark

animes

You're no oldfag.

Joshua Diaz
Joshua Diaz

Are you insane?

Leo Ortiz
Leo Ortiz

Isn't most of the big 80s crowd still kicking? Unless you're counting like Dezaki and other people like that who were already around before then.

Parker Stewart
Parker Stewart

I've only ever seen graded shading in detailed manga pages, never anime. I would imagine that even for a still shot in a show, blending the shading would take way too much time.

Hunter Gray
Hunter Gray

It looks like shit.

Lucas Perry
Lucas Perry

Yeah, all I readlly do is boot up download them all and download images and webms. /a/'s too full of normalfags these days that complain about stuff we've had for decades, like sexualisation of characters, to bother discussing anything with. I'd rather just enjoy the shows I watch, whether it's something like Kabaneri or the FotM CGDCT show of the season and save any discussion towards the end of the season.

and most talk of shading just leads to somebody posting that Hibike Emporium 2x2 of really bad shading or spamming that you're from Reddit for liking shading. It's not even criticism, it's just shit.
Unfortunately, that just sounds like backlash to shade shitposting over the years. Kind of like how people automatically trash anyone that likes the big 3, because of the association with children. There have been far more people that shitpost about shading, rather than making legitimate threads about the merits of shading, over the years and it generally leaves a bad taste in other people's mouths. I don't agree with it, but I can see where people are coming from with it. It's disappointing to hear because like ou said, it's not even a criticism, but not much can be done about it unless you get a time machine and change the course of the board.

Dominic Phillips
Dominic Phillips

bubblegum crisis will never be finished

Chase Allen
Chase Allen

Well, a few "sequels" do exist

Carter Jenkins
Carter Jenkins

The less said about Crash the better. The spin off stuff varies in quality.

Julian Gonzalez
Julian Gonzalez

No, they dont. Fuck off.

Owen Perez
Owen Perez

the new kof movie will actually be a chinese cartoon
no obari
dammit snk

Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

the Frodos aren't even trying anymore

When in the history of the meme has a Frodo poster ever put in an ounce of effort?

Ethan Hernandez
Ethan Hernandez

I dont dislike shading. But doingit forcefully everywhere is retarded.

Grayson Diaz
Grayson Diaz

>>141237412
that's the joke.png

Ryder Stewart
Ryder Stewart

>>141237412
>>141237412
You seem to have misjudged which one is the moron here

Nolan Edwards
Nolan Edwards

zooming in
Really now faggot?

Nicholas Nguyen
Nicholas Nguyen

Im glad based Araki recruited Mikimoto for Kabaneri.

Asher Russell
Asher Russell

I should probably start doing the same, it sounds like it's much better for your mental health.

Kind of like how people automatically trash anyone that likes the big 3

Do we really though? Naruto that was true for up until the mods stopped banning Naruto threads, but a large chunk of Sup Forums loves One Piece and Bleach, and we have near constant threads up for them.

You're right anyways though, it's a bummer that people let shitposting beget shitposting. It doesn't make the board better.

I've seen a few with legitimate questions. Funnily enough, those were always the ones that got ignored by everybody.

Aaron Cook
Aaron Cook

and we have near constant threads up for them.
And said threads act and feel like a leak from Arlong Park.

Parker Carter
Parker Carter

Is working, Shading: the anime is selling well.

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

Why do SnK fags always have to bring up their show when someone talks about Kabaneri?
Because th guys working on Kabaneri are the same guys that worked on SnK and they liked how it was, so they are making their own version without being locked down on a manga version.

Henry Davis
Henry Davis

burning money
It's not that expensive, it just takes the combined effort of key animators adding a bit more detail to select shots and then being touched up by digital artists. If anything it's more time-consuming, which isn't great for Kabaneri's production.

Jonathan Peterson
Jonathan Peterson

Like old 80s OVA.

Jace Smith
Jace Smith

audiences won't even notice or care about.
It looks like shit

Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

Time is money?

Isaiah Young
Isaiah Young

more people shitposting with zero evidence

Just because you don't like that the show isn't moe enough doesn't mean it's bad.

Nathaniel Price
Nathaniel Price

They have a dedicated "Chief Makeup Animator", a first for TV Anime and some staff to paint when everyone else work is done.

Nathan Sullivan
Nathan Sullivan

WIT finds a way

Dominic Howard
Dominic Howard

It's god eater, it is fucking 3d, its just 3d combined with drawing. The show looks god awful when anything animates, for the most part.

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

It's not 3D, the staff explicitly stated the characters and weapons are not 3D and raw key animations have been shown in exhibitions before. It's just detailed shading combined with modern digital colouring.

Wyatt Sanchez
Wyatt Sanchez

to flopsville

Luis Perez
Luis Perez

The way the characters moved in this show felt like they were using pupettering software in some parts.

Gabriel Rogers
Gabriel Rogers

The movement looked very much like typical anime. If you look at the credits you'll find a long list of 2D animators credited anyway.

Daniel Morgan
Daniel Morgan

if its not expensive why only do it for close up of girls

Lincoln Miller
Lincoln Miller

That plate's not even round.

Cameron Powell
Cameron Powell

Because it's time-consuming.

Jayden Wilson
Jayden Wilson

Looks like 5 tones to me.

Dylan Rodriguez
Dylan Rodriguez

It is a pretty show in general
NEVER TAKE KABANERIFAGS SERIOUSLY

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

Not even the best looking show this season

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

They're literally burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.
I care about and i like it.

Lincoln Butler
Lincoln Butler

Why is it that people who like this show have absolutely no idea what the fuck they're talking about?

Leo Martinez
Leo Martinez

What is this style of animation called? Just dark tones and heavy shadows.

Mason Rivera
Mason Rivera

edgeworks

Lucas Richardson
Lucas Richardson

When have you ever seen someone on Sup Forums that knows what they are talking about?

Ayden Campbell
Ayden Campbell

We have offtopic threads every now and then.

Elijah Nguyen
Elijah Nguyen

it's just that all the criticisms leveled against the shading so far have been baseles
Not at all. The people who like it are retarded and in general don't watch a bulk of the anime that comes out hence why they think this is the best looking show in years when its not its just a regular bloated WIT anime with all the flaws that comes with it. And no the show is far from solid, its pretty fucking dumb and predictable thus far I guess the fanbase can only bring up MUH SHADING since the show has nothing going for it.

Kayden Myers
Kayden Myers

4 tone shading
wow, hiring more people to click the paint bucket icon, what a sacrifice

that audiences won't even notice or care about.
This show would be unwatchable if it were flat. It's barely watchable with shading.

And the music in the last ep was total, embarrassing garbage.

Josiah Baker
Josiah Baker

When have you ever seen someone on Sup Forums that knows what they are talking about?

When Otaking posts.
Someone perform the summoning ritual

Alexander Hughes
Alexander Hughes

HMMM GEEZ I WONDER
MAYBE BECAUSE IT"S SHOUNENSHIT?

anime noir

plural: animes noir

Connor Baker
Connor Baker

And the fact remains that modern OVAs still don't look as good as the ones from the 80s and 90s.
You faggots don't even watch anime. OVA's died two decades ago.

Aaron Campbell
Aaron Campbell

He's a big guy.

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

Why didn't all of spongebob look like this!

Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

It's literally just 2 more lines and 2 more clicks in paint program.

Angel Richardson
Angel Richardson

No they didn't, dumbass. What do you think all those episodes of One-Punch Man and To Love-Ru that came out after their respective series ended are?

John Murphy
John Murphy

The idea behind Kabaneri was trying to create the most normalfag-pandering show ever made, so that's why they have a rip-off of SnK's plot with added zombies and steampink, lots of animation, shading up the ass and even a Sawano OST (which doesn't fit the show at all in plenty of cases). And apparently it's working, despite the fact that some of those normalfags feel uncomfortable about how there's a 12 years old girl wearing skimpy clothes.

Adam Bennett
Adam Bennett

Who the fuck compares 90s and 80s OVAs to fucking BD specials.

James Jones
James Jones

I hope other studios hire someone like that then.

Carson Garcia
Carson Garcia

They're literally burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.

Amazon money at work.

Landon Ramirez
Landon Ramirez

most normalfag-pandering show ever made
shading up the ass

Normalfags don't even know what the fuck shading is, user. They watch flat shit like One Piss and Naruto.

Dylan Gonzalez
Dylan Gonzalez

Sup Forums thinking any of this looks good is really a sign of how awful the board has quickly become over the last couple years.
This looks like all digital era art ever does, fat heavy easy to scan line art and flat simple easy to computer color, except this time there's three colors.
It's devoid of any of the texturing that made the analog stuff look good. There's no substitute for hand gradients.

Ryder Myers
Ryder Myers

Those are all from the same show. Same episode, even.

Wyatt Sullivan
Wyatt Sullivan

Kabaneri is an original and is leading the BD sales with JoJo, which is an established franchise.

WIT is becoming the best studio out there.

Joshua Foster
Joshua Foster

If they were never shown on TV or in theaters, they are OVAs. Look it up on wikipedia if you don't believe me.

Jack Hall
Jack Hall

you will never watch dyrl as a kid in the 80s
Really a watershed moment for tibetan sand painting. Nearly a BC/AD thing for what it did to high budget production values.

Gabriel Russell
Gabriel Russell

I hope Amazon drops an airplane of money into WIT then.

It's obvious that they are putting it to good use.

Caleb Morgan
Caleb Morgan

Shit, neither of them are. Do they fix stuff like that when it comes out on DVD/ Blu-Ray?

Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

Are you stupid? I'm saying is retarded to compare a couple of shitty BD specials per season to the amount of OVAs that came out in the past.
OVAs are fucking dead, there's no need for them when we have movies and 12-episode series.

Andrew Nguyen
Andrew Nguyen

Yes sure they have, just look at this amazing lineup of best sellers. No wait, half their shows are flops.

○WIT STUDIO TVアニメ売上一覧
(2013) 51,190 進撃の巨人
(2014) 14,133 鬼灯の冷徹
(2015) **,970 ローリングガールズ
(2015) *3,534 終わりのセラフ
(2015) *2,273 終わりのセラフ 名古屋決戦編
(16/05/01)

Evan Watson
Evan Watson

Move that goal post more, senpai.

Gabriel Rodriguez
Gabriel Rodriguez

Are you stupid?
No, but you might want to evaluate your own intellect. You said nothing of amounts and by calling them DVD specials you implied that they weren't OVAs.

Nathaniel Morgan
Nathaniel Morgan

That is correct. If you weren't a dense motherfucker, you would see that is the joke, rather than proving that you are an idiot.

Jayden James
Jayden James

Thanks, Sherlock.

Austin Wood
Austin Wood

How can WIT be so based?

I hope they adopt this style in their next shows too.

Mason Bailey
Mason Bailey

You said nothing of amounts
What the fuck do you think I meant when I said OVAs were dead you gigantic fucking retard.

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

implying the key animators ever do anything related to color ten years ago let alone now
Old school pencil sketching is dead mate. The girls doing the coloring on the computer wouldn't be able to see it and it's no longer as simple as running an eraser over some paper to delete the guidelines.

Austin Stewart
Austin Stewart

The animators were never in charge of color, it was always women doing basically slave-tier work.
Animation is still done with paper and pencil, but of course it's not like anyone here cares about actual facts.

Carter Smith
Carter Smith

shadeposting

Samuel Jackson
Samuel Jackson

I was referring to your post that contained: "Who the fuck compares 90s and 80s OVAs to fucking BD specials", you mong. And they aren't "dead". They are still being produced on a smaller scale and look shittier.

Lucas Cruz
Lucas Cruz

That's my thought, waifu likes it because it looks like Miyazaki.

Julian Clark
Julian Clark

They are not dead they are just in coma

Nicholas Bennett
Nicholas Bennett

Information about tone / shadows was often lightly penciled in and left alone while the line art was inked. The girl doing the coloring would just color over the pencil work and when they were finished and the color was set they'd just run an eraser over the sketching from the animator (more expensive productions were different but whatever).
That's what I mean by old school pencil work is dead. The uninked sketching of the past that would get passed up the work chain doesn't exist anymore, because only fatty fat line art lends itself to scanning.

Carson Young
Carson Young

That's more appropriate.

Cameron Gray
Cameron Gray

Having read, and dropped, the SnK manga before its anime was announced I am comfortable saying zombies in steampunk feudal Japan has little in common with babbi's first gore shonen.

Christopher Howard
Christopher Howard

New as fuck. Check the archives, this shit is posted every time someone posts that image.

Cooper Bell
Cooper Bell

I am comfortable saying zombies in steampunk feudal Japan has little in common

Well, the plot is actually moving, that's one big difference.

Also, we have a main character who is... alright, but not super amazing, which makes him an awesome lead.

Benjamin Mitchell
Benjamin Mitchell

they can't exist in the same form anymore but stuff like Thunderbolt still follow the same old format, it wouldn't work any other way if they didn't have that freedom

Connor Ross
Connor Ross

Pretty sure the are colour guidelines in

Adrian Davis
Adrian Davis

fucking saved

Joshua Edwards
Joshua Edwards

In the past for the most part (important cuts would be redrawn from scratch by the key animators) those drafts would evolve into the final cels. Pic related, draft work that didn't evolve into final cels because the key animator did his own.

The demarcation between what's done on paper and what's done digitally prevents the old way from happening.

Nathan Foster
Nathan Foster

I don't see how it's any different from the example you posted. The work flow for key animators haven't changed much with the switch to digital coloring save for needing to draw more precise lines to help with the scanning.

Elijah Allen
Elijah Allen

I don't see what's difficult about what I'm saying. The process is no longer linear but forked between what's scanned and what's exclusively paper, whereas drafts of the past eventually became cels proper.

Cameron Morris
Cameron Morris

It's still a linear process, it just switches from analog to digital at some stage. At the end of the day, my point is that the key animator's job remains the same.

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

It's not linear. This did not become a digital cel. It's merely a reference.

John Collins
John Collins

The key animators never have to handle the final cels, the completed raw key animation is sent off to be transposed onto a celluloid sheet which then will be coloured by the painters.

Carter Nelson
Carter Nelson

painters
I wish bro.

Lincoln Sullivan
Lincoln Sullivan

would you let this guy REPAIR your train?

Jeremiah Davis
Jeremiah Davis

They are painters, no?

Gavin James
Gavin James

They're literally burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.

The average audience is dumb for care about shading or styles, only a small niche of internet people care because they pause and take screenshot of episodes.

Hunter Gutierrez
Hunter Gutierrez

Stop fucking shit posting. God Eater was fucking CGI and you know it. The show looks shit just like any other anime adaptations with great plots that were CGI'd. Ajin, Berserk, looking at you.

TL;DR God Eater is shit, aka your favorite anime is shit and you eat shit and CGI fucking sucks.

Lucas Bennett
Lucas Bennett

Why the fuck would I let a Gaijin do anything for me? Stop shitposting.

Jaxson Bell
Jaxson Bell

I'd promote him chief repairman. Or whatever the highest position is in his line of work.

Nicholas Cooper
Nicholas Cooper

Bubuki Buranki is the only anime i've ever watched with CGI that looked fluid, believable, and outright good. All other CGI is fucking ass.

Tyler Baker
Tyler Baker

MAYBE if he got more screentime

Gabriel Moore
Gabriel Moore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZA-ov99LU

Evan Morales
Evan Morales

Maybe you're the one who should stop shitposting mate. From staff interviews to animation credits and key animation exhibits, the show quite clearly uses hand drawn animation. Or maybe you're just fucking blind so there's no fixing your defect.

Lincoln Nguyen
Lincoln Nguyen

Hurr durr what is a cel
Sick misinfornation, bruh.

Jayden Fisher
Jayden Fisher

I highly doubt it. But I don't even want to be bothered looking because whether or not that show is CGI, it looks CGI, and it looks half-assed CGI, which is bad anyway seeing as CGI is fucking shit anyway.
Why are you trying so hard to defend your shitty anime? Instead of trying to argue "It doesn't look shit" you're arguing "Uhm, it's actually not CGI"
I can imagine you a pale whiny kid with a punchable face making stupid arguments.
Pic related. Try telling me A. This looks like it was animated well, or B. This isn't CGI or close as fuck to it (i.e. half-assed CGI)
Hint: you can't.

Jeremiah Clark
Jeremiah Clark

http://yoshi-x2.tumblr.com/post/125688848340/some-god-eater-genga-currently-on-display-in

Have some God Eater raw key animation

Josiah Garcia
Josiah Garcia

CGI is literally any image that processed on computer. If you mean 3d characters, then god eater characters is not 3d cgi.

Matthew Cook
Matthew Cook

So you're trying to tell me that scenes such as this (typical god eater scene) was drawn 100% with no help 3D CGI at all? You're in denial. Just because they got some raw drawy drawy for you little fanboys doesn't mean it's raw. This fucking show had some help with 3D, and you're stupid if you think it didn't.

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

I REJECT YOUR REALITY AND SUBSTITUTE MY OWN
k, dude.

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

Lmfao look how shitty that explosion is.

Samuel Watson
Samuel Watson

Because your argument is that God Eater is CGI, and I say it is wrong. I do not care whether it looks good or not, but I hate ignorant statements about animation like yours. There is evidence in the credits and exhibitions that the show primarily uses hand-drawn animation, you insist on playing blind and deaf while proclaiming you are right.

It's a matter of digital colouring you damn ignorant fool. There is nothing about the animation in that scene that can't be done with 2D animation. You're being fooled by the digital colouring.

Leo Anderson
Leo Anderson

When did this turn into a God Eater Fanboy thread?
/thread please.

Samuel Davis
Samuel Davis

Look at her hair in the final pose. It's looping. CGI doesn't use 2-frame loops.

You're an amateur. Stop talking as if you knew your shit.

Caleb Price
Caleb Price

zombies in steampunk feudal japan
That much might be true, but just want to point out that
Tetsuro Araki directs both
Music is by Hiroyuki Sawano in both
George Wada was involved in the production of both
Wada, an I.G studio producer, was a founder of WIT (which is a subsidiary of IG Port)
These guys are just using the same formula and changing the variables
inb4 all anime uses the same formula!!!

Angel Clark
Angel Clark

CGI is common thing. Today it's hard to find anime that was drawn WITHOUT CGI. These anime don't exist.

Jaxon Adams
Jaxon Adams

You don't have to be a fan of the show to be irked by ignorant statements about animation.

Jacob Sullivan
Jacob Sullivan

Oh wow, her hair is 2-frame looping, proof CGI was never used once at all in this anime
Is this the logic that God Eater fanboys use? Actually, the fact that you're all trying so hard to prove that it's NOT 3D CGI proves that you guys dislike the idea of it being 3D CGI (when it's 3D CGI).
Muh irony

Jose Gomez
Jose Gomez

This guy is seriously the best character hope he doesn't die.

Nathaniel Morales
Nathaniel Morales

Is pic even related?

Joseph Jackson
Joseph Jackson

Why do you have to litter all your posts with "heh God Eater fanboys" shit? It's an animation thread, not a God Eater thread. It makes you look like you have some sort of personal agenda against the show or the game and guess what, nobody gives a fuck about it. I haven't even watched God Eater.

I am simply pointing out the objective, factual reality to you in hopes of making you less ignorant. Take it or leave it.

Charles Ortiz
Charles Ortiz

it's calld "mid 00s anime"

Ian Perry
Ian Perry

is given evidence of hand drawn animation
"IT'S STILL CGI BECAUSE I SAY SO"
Convincing argument, retard.

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

The plot is literally moving via train

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

>>14124132
Harsh lighting? That's how I'd describe Texhnolyze.

Xavier Hall
Xavier Hall

Fuck, meant

David Turner
David Turner

The only 3DCG used here was for the Aragami though.

Carson Hill
Carson Hill

AMAZON MONEY

William Russell
William Russell

Did 4 tone shading fall out of favor because everything is low budget now, or is it a style thing? Even for films, it feels like something was lost between the 80's/90's and now. Maybe it's traditional cel-painting as well

Hudson Allen
Hudson Allen

I'll leave it. And yes, I hate ufotable, they killed my family.
Evidence it's hand drawn doesn't mean they didn't do a little hokey pokey with 3D CGI to help. Get it through your thick skull. In fact, that's probably the reason it looks worse than most CGI. Because it was half-assed If they were gonna draw it they should've left it at that and went raw (The designs are beautiful, the animation is shit). Regardless, they fucked up somewhere because it looks like fucking claymation half the time Wallace and Gromit looks better. Chicken Run looks better. Bad anime is bad, angry fanboys are angry.

Jaxon Gonzalez
Jaxon Gonzalez

AoT primarily uses 2-tone shading tho

Not that Kabaneri is that much better

Ayden Hall
Ayden Hall

Amazon haven't funded Kabaneri though.

David Walker
David Walker

Fuck that's practically 2-tone

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

It's only 4-tone for relatively still scenes and close-ups.
And female characters
ftfy

Austin Bennett
Austin Bennett

It's mostly style. OVAs are one thing, since that whole market largely died, but there's been no major dropoff in TV/movie budgets since the 80s/90s, as far as I know, and the upper-end at least is higher than it was.

Charles Russell
Charles Russell

it did, your tv was just too shit to notice

Lincoln Walker
Lincoln Walker

The only hokey pokey involved is how they used digital coloring mate. You can hate how the show looks, but at least understand the real reason as to why it looks bad.

Nicholas Gray
Nicholas Gray

It's like arguing with a child.

Matthew Rodriguez
Matthew Rodriguez

You're fucking retarded. There needs to be an obvious distinction or else it'll be pointless.

The tone differences in for example blend too easily and therefore won't be noticed as 3-tone as easily as

There needs to be an drastic difference in toning or it'll just be a waste of time.

Isaac Morris
Isaac Morris

There is no point in having a character die that is only in the show for some comedy.

Michael Davis
Michael Davis

Muh multi toned shading
Didn't JoJo already do this in Stardust Crusaders?

Angel Peterson
Angel Peterson

Yes, and beautifully at that.

Logan Campbell
Logan Campbell

It would be really weird to kill him off before explaining why he's even around.

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

4 tone shading

it's actually 2 and 3 tone, mostly 2
Ayy fuck off this looks like trash.

Also you don't waste money on shading, it's fucking shading you retard.
Animating it doesn't cost more money, it cost more talent for whoever is doing it.

People are just lazy shits and rather do everything just by using mouse only and dragging their CG models in MMD, which is what 95% of all anime is right now, like every show this season.

If they cared in the slightest about what they were doing they would make it look better, but they don't.

This argument is old and retarded just like you OP.

Easton Anderson
Easton Anderson

the 80s/90s was a time when animators survive on pure willpower
They get that shit done because there's no other way

Animators nowadays have tons of digital tool and look what they come up with.

John Hall
John Hall

2 and 3 tone
Are you blind? Check her neck.

Jaxson Hill
Jaxson Hill

The 80s were a miraculous time.

Camden Lee
Camden Lee

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=16595

Nathan Gonzalez
Nathan Gonzalez

Yeah, why isn't everything shaded and detailed and realistic like the 80s?

Christopher Perry
Christopher Perry

Yes, its great. Althought i always thought they had too much lines in the faces,

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

Production:
Aniplex
Dentsu Inc.
Fuji Television Network
Kansai Telecasting Corporation
Kyoraku Industrial Holdings Co.,Ltd.
Wit Studio
They are not in the production committee.

Jordan Rivera
Jordan Rivera

What do you think production assistance imply? Here is more detail on the Amazon deal
Amazon's new deal with Fuji TV for several Noitamina shows, however, is a different ball game entirely. It's impossible for me to overstate what a big deal that was. Amazon has more money than God, and the amount they were rumored to be offering for exclusive worldwide streaming rights for a series was by far the highest price I've ever heard of being paid for anime rights -- enough to pay for the entire production and then some. Amazon is serious about beefing up their video platform's offerings in all categories, and they don't particularly seem to care about making back their investment right away. They're building up a library to make their platform a viable offering compared to Netflix.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-03-18/.99932

Eli Perez
Eli Perez

My first post in this debate but although I don't think it's CG, it definitely >>looks<< CG which is worrying because they may be easing us into exclusively CG anime using the mentality that "CG = better", by creating something in that style. Just my two cents.

Jonathan Hill
Jonathan Hill

Yes and the animation suffered hard because of it

DIO's World was fucking trash even with 3T

Alexander Sullivan
Alexander Sullivan

Hopefully multitone shading makes a comeback. Kabaneri's coloring does things to me.

Daniel Martinez
Daniel Martinez

Not him, but you should try reading that carefully yourself, because it's going against you. Making a deal with the distributor for the streaming rghts to a broadcast block is not the same thing as financing a given show on that block.

Benjamin Young
Benjamin Young

looks<<
Kill yourself.

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

they were rumored to be offering for exclusive worldwide streaming rights for a series was by far the highest price I've ever heard of being paid for anime rights
You've just reinforced my point. Nowhere it is written that Amazon injected a single cent in Kabaneri and they're not in the production committee.
All they did was giving lots of money to Fuji TV to get exclusive worldwide streaming rights, the show was already funded before Amazon and Fuji TV's deal.

Ian Jenkins
Ian Jenkins

Popularity of that meme has been booming ever since OPM episode 3

They had a fucking field day with that

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

Are you fucking blind

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

These threads are always good for seeing delusional nostalgia-wanking idiots try to insist that animation isn't "real" when the inking and colouring is done digitally.

Colton Anderson
Colton Anderson

autismo

Jordan Walker
Jordan Walker

No, the color/inking was done by hand on a computer, that's not REAL animation, the artists involved are talentless hacks.

Jordan Moore
Jordan Moore

You're retarded.
when the inking and colouring is done digitally
It's done in every show with no exception past the 90s.

Most people here are like 16 at best.
What the fuck kinda nostalgia are you talking about?
They grew up on digital animation.

Aiden James
Aiden James

Bahi finally getting through that phase of muh exaggerated fancy animation in favor of better choreography as seen in Kurusu v. Wazatori fight in ep4.
Even if he was under deadline, thank you based WIT for pushing your animators to the right direction.

Ethan Murphy
Ethan Murphy

Most people here are like 16 at best.

Blake Edwards
Blake Edwards

I have no idea what I'm talking about, but if I make my post long enough and angry enough, people might believe it.

Charles Robinson
Charles Robinson

counting bright as a tone
I have some bad news for you anonymous.

Aiden Butler
Aiden Butler

As far as I know animators get paid by cut, irrelevant of the amount of "detail."

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

Wit will never do a YYH remake with Kazuhiro Furuhashi as director
They'll just keep making AoT and its shitty clones

Hunter Mitchell
Hunter Mitchell

You just proved that you actually don't know what you're talking about.
Congrats.

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

>>141247691
How can you call nostalgia bragging about something you watched yesterday?
It's contrarianism sure, retardation, of course, but nostalgia?
That's not how that works.

Eli Nguyen
Eli Nguyen

The fuck are you on about? If I was counting highlights I would have pointed at this, but everything else is a valid tone.

Bentley Turner
Bentley Turner

You have no idea how shading works.
Please apply yourself.

Tyler Cooper
Tyler Cooper

If the interview is anything to go by, the instrument AD had nightmares doing the orchestra scene. KyoAni definitely isn't the comfiest animator lounge during Hibike's production run.

It made me wonder why they opted for flat shading in KnK when Kigami showed the new Kyoani style can work with tritone shading as shown in Hibike ep12. They kinda spoiled KnK's mood with that.

Isaac Evans
Isaac Evans

Tone =/= shading, or shadowing for that matter

You're one who has no idea

Juan King
Juan King

Stop embarrassing yourself further.
Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about and only want to fit in and go away.

Evan Adams
Evan Adams

I'm literally stating fact, who are you trying to troll?

William Diaz
William Diaz

Which KnK? It's literally impossible to keep track of anymore. I was writing a passionate defense of Kyoukai no Kanata and realized you probably meant Koe no Katachi.

Being this retarded
http://ctrlpaint.org - Educate yourself, as an artist your posts are making me physically upset.

Blake Russell
Blake Russell

shading non viable but fucking pimple shines on tits ass and knees every fucking scene

Blake Cook
Blake Cook

WIT will never do a remake of a show they didn't make in the first place with a director not in their employ and who wasn't involved in that show either
What a surprise?

Bentley Wood
Bentley Wood

Ah, yes. I mean Koe no Katachi. Holy shit that acronym gets crowded fast.

Have some unrelated genga as apology.

Jordan Sanchez
Jordan Sanchez

Your semantics are wrong so people are taking the piss with you. A base and the brights by definition aren't part of the shade.
There are three tones of shade against the base tone of her skin so it's three tone shading.

Isaiah Reyes
Isaiah Reyes

Samefagging won't save you.
Do you literally have no shame?
Fucking hell.

Jack Garcia
Jack Garcia

You have no idea how shading works.
You mean black levels? Because that has nothing to do with tone.

Jacob Peterson
Jacob Peterson

The original poster argue that at most it was 3 tone shading with it being mostly 2 (already an incredibly retarded thing to say). There are four individual tones, despite the fourth being used in a less than stellar spot.

Retard

Wyatt Anderson
Wyatt Anderson

nothing
Half != nothing.

Juan Gutierrez
Juan Gutierrez

You'd really go as far as to photoshop your post?
Does it really matter to you that much to lie on the internet and look like you know things while you talk out of your ass?
Bravo autist-kun, bravo.
It's disgusting, go learn more about the subject first before bragging.

Christopher Nelson
Christopher Nelson

Tone uses both black and white levels, and there were four consecutive uses of this in OP's image. That has nothing to do with shading.
You have nothing to do with your time but bait all morning?

Hunter Morales
Hunter Morales

It's a shame they blew all the money on the first 3 episodes. This one was literally a slideshow.

Samuel Gonzalez
Samuel Gonzalez

burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.
My first impression of the show was that the shading looked great.

Wyatt Nelson
Wyatt Nelson

Latest one had the best animation so far. Slideshows are reserved for inconsequential scenes.

Brayden Ramirez
Brayden Ramirez

I'd argue the multi-tone shading worked for Hibike because the show was colorful and juicy for a lack of a better term. The directing does a good job of putting the viewer in the scenes and you really feel like a classmate. With all those close up shots, more detail makes the shots a lot better. The focus was on specific characters.

Koe no Katachi on the other hand, has a much more detached camera to match the distant and melancholic tone. Less detail means you're focusing less on the details, and more on the bigger picture. Granted it's somewhat character driven, but there's a reason why Japan's Education Department wanted to ban the manga. A big part of its story is about how poorly schools handle bullying.

The difference in focus is clear as day in the promotional art as well. One's a lot more warm with closeups of the cast, while the other is a lot more cool and distant.

Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker

implying all instruments in hibike are hand-painted like that

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

You're conflating two separate (color hue/shade/tint/tone and "shading" technique) things.

Yell at Disney if you don't like N Tone Shading as a term, because the term is standard worldwide because of them.

Landon Russell
Landon Russell

Why is there so much detail on stuff that's not in the frame?

Jordan Howard
Jordan Howard

Part of a panning shot, probably. GC's action scenes are arguably not as detailed.

Jaxson Stewart
Jaxson Stewart

If I remember correctly, this is a panning scene.

Isaac Lewis
Isaac Lewis

I thought the anime industry decided that shading was commercially non-viable long ago?
Is there really stupid niggers who think this shit? Shading isn't done because people don't care for it or want it. Blame yourself for not buying any BDs.

Isaac Carter
Isaac Carter

basic white and black shading
more rough and less logical
not as good

Nolan Miller
Nolan Miller

Implying it's not

https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/animestyle-007-sound-euphonium-interview-director-tatsuya-ishihara-series-director-naoko-yamada-part-2/

Oguro: Did you use 3D CG for the instruments?
Ishihara: We created rough models, but they were used as references for the layouts. Once the instrument was on the layouts, we could draw the key frames.

Nathan Long
Nathan Long

I still don't understand how the fuck anyone thought that art direction was a good idea.

Jordan Martinez
Jordan Martinez

This is more a case of filter nonsense.

Blake Brown
Blake Brown

Yeah man ITS THE CURRENT YEAR

Juan Roberts
Juan Roberts

rough models
That's true. I can even see individual polygons here

Xavier Hughes
Xavier Hughes

implying traced image is the same as hand drawn

Matthew Thompson
Matthew Thompson

Implying a lot of professional art isn't traced
Clients and consumers don't give two fucks about the process, the faster you get things done, the more you get paid.

Nolan Brooks
Nolan Brooks

Remove those nostalgia gogles. There's more anime coming out than ever before. Meaning the demand is high and production needs to be sped up and budgets reduced. If you really want to blame someone blame Evangelion for helping late night anime boom like it did.

Jace Brooks
Jace Brooks

That's just a 3 second fast shot in the OP

Easton Sanchez
Easton Sanchez

2013 was 3 years ago
Holy shit

Jose Watson
Jose Watson

i just wish the outlines around the characters were more consistent. the experimental shading in that show also seems to have impacted the potential fluidity of some scenes, which disappointed

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

WIT should shut down, not because their shows are bad, but because everywhere they go shitposting follows

Nathan Jackson
Nathan Jackson

Then you should be shutting down KyoAni, Shaft, trigger, gainax, Madhouse and to a lesser extent Bones as well

Hunter Moore
Hunter Moore

we should probably just put an end to anime

Lincoln Carter
Lincoln Carter

There's still three tone shading on the static elements like the leg in the foreground.

Adam Allen
Adam Allen

Hnng is it just me that loves that annoyed look?

Zachary Morales
Zachary Morales

Would you completely fund series if you were a billionaire? You could create a studio and create anime with no concern for your personal profit and advance the medium.

Noah Phillips
Noah Phillips

BAN THEM BECAUSE THEY CAUSE SHITPOSTING IN MY BOARD
Are you a faggot?

Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

Yes I would give KyoAni a couple of billion dollars to buy all the franchises I like including Nichijou and Haruhi so they can finish them and also to fund their school even further so they can train an unlimited number of animators and literally save anime again. My only request would be for them to animate everything in 1s.

Ryan King
Ryan King

But that's proved that KyoAni's are no more than hacks. They just traced their cartoons on top of 3D CGI animation. That's why all their characters looks the same.

Oliver Hernandez
Oliver Hernandez

I remember SnK looking better than this. Was it just because I remember everything in motion?

Ian Green
Ian Green

Implying you would ever have noticed without pausing to look at individual frames

Luis Hughes
Luis Hughes

Nice meme keep it up

Wyatt Richardson
Wyatt Richardson

those plates
that fucking table
fuck, why'd you have to go point that out. How hard is it to draw a fucking ellipse, there's a tool that does it for you

Liam Morris
Liam Morris

Fuck yeah I would. It's something I think about all the time honestly. I'd just throw money at anyone that has a good idea to show me, but the only stipulation is they have to make sure they take their time making it. No TV anime production schedule, but TV anime length, broadcast on television.

My only request would be for them to animate everything in 1s

Do you know how strange that would look in modern animation? And how long that would take? That's not worth it.

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