Why are cartoons made in Japan so much better then ones made in America? The...

Daniel Hill
Daniel Hill

Why are cartoons made in Japan so much better then ones made in America? The direction and scripts just seem way more solid in my opinion.

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Daniel Cooper
Daniel Cooper

Because only animated movies are taken seriously in America, TV animation has been considered garbage for children for decades.

Ryan Walker
Ryan Walker

Different audiences, cartoons are not perceived as a "serious" medium in America typically, though there are some standout pieces.
Like that, ninja'd me

Nathaniel Roberts
Nathaniel Roberts

Bro, have you seen Spongebob? Shit's genius sometimes.

Cameron Hernandez
Cameron Hernandez

Because the west thinks cartoons are for children and don't take it seriously

Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

More autists who have trouble recognizing more subtle expressions and body language in live action shows so there's a bigger audience for animated TV shows in Japan.

More audience -> more shows produced -> more experience -> better results

Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

Hey now we had some good TV animation the last couple of years.

Isaac Johnson
Isaac Johnson

Because it's not stained by western morals......yet.

Jaxson Brooks
Jaxson Brooks

Early Spongebob, sure.

Alexander Howard
Alexander Howard

ninja'd
Man, I haven't heard that in a long time.

Camden Wood
Camden Wood

Some of the batman movies are pretty good.

Easton Mitchell
Easton Mitchell

Confirmation bias. Lots of shitty anime too.

Lucas Taylor
Lucas Taylor

Please tell me about all the great TV cartoons being made in America recently.

Juan Morales
Juan Morales

American animation is

1) Nearly always geared towards children
2) In the rare case that it is meant for adults it is almost always intended for comedy
3) Quality of animation is not a factor in how animations are judged

There are extremely rare exceptions to the above, however.

Dylan Cooper
Dylan Cooper

Please tell me about the 50 shows that America produces every season.

David Sanders
David Sanders

Gravity Falls was pretty good.

Ryan Myers
Ryan Myers

Wikipedia lists about forty new animated TV series for the US (including joint international productions) in 2016 so far. That's not as much as anime, but it's not tiny, either. Which are the good ones?

Dylan Smith
Dylan Smith

I guess I was wrong about their output.
But I never bothered watching any of them.

Kevin Baker
Kevin Baker

Macfarlane shit

You've successfully triggered me.

Xavier Martin
Xavier Martin

Because American cartoons are made by Jews to push communism and lgbt faggotry. The Jews fear the samurai.

Cameron Thomas
Cameron Thomas

Not him, but that image at least made me laugh.

But in all seriousness, anything anyone could post would probably be flamed, anyway.

William Walker
William Walker

Most anime is garbage though.

Jeremiah Richardson
Jeremiah Richardson

And some of the garbage anime airing this season is still better than most of the cartoons airing now.

Jonathan Murphy
Jonathan Murphy

because of the marketing department

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

There are lots of reasons.

Americans tend to spend way too much money on production because animators in the US are overpaid and the process is not very efficient. Many Japanese studios are borderline sweatshops, and a lot of the big players like Toei just outsource everything now to actual sweatshops in South East Asia. Because of this western studios are a lot less inclined to take big risks because they might go bankrupt trying to do it.

There are also differences between how these industries typically generate profit. Anime usually relies upon merchandise sales whereas western television relies heavily upon ad revenue. You can sell massively overpriced merch to a handful of idiot otaku and make a profit even if your show pulls relatively few viewers. That kind of culture doesn't exist at all in the west: low views means low revenue, if you aren't as popular as, for example, Bob's Burgers, you are going to be airing the show at a loss. Bob's Burgers might actually be running at a loss right now, I think I've heard that somewhere. That sets a really high standard for animated content in the west, just look at the shit Futurama had to go through for straddling the line between profitable and unprofitable.

You also need to consider the fact that animation in the west is culturally associated with childishness, there's not a lot you can do to change that, but I think with the younger generations growing up with easy access to anime and adult-swim-esque content this cultural view might change over 20 or so years.

Caleb Young
Caleb Young

Honestly cartoons just aren't as big a focus in America as they were 20 years ago. Sure you still have the big players like Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (though their modern stuff will never hold a candle to the works of people like Chuck Jones etc.) but in the past five or so years the actual popularity of cartoons in the west has dwindled super hard. There are probably less than ten notable new IPs as it stands.

Sucks cause in the 90s and early 2000s there were a lot of cartoons that definitely knew how to experiment with and push what was expected of the medium (the use of colors, lighting and direction in shows like Powerpuff Girls, Ed Edd n Eddy and Samurai Jack for example were pretty out there)

Oliver Roberts
Oliver Roberts

You obviously have never watched Mr.Pickles

Hunter Reed
Hunter Reed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0fw_rSPaQQ

Actual professional pitch to Cartoon Network

I actually consider this single cartoon to be the prime example of literally everything wrong with modern western cartoons

Nolan Richardson
Nolan Richardson

Gomenasai, my name is Ken-Sama.

I’m a 27 year old American Otaku (Anime fan for you gaijins). I draw Anime and Manga on my tablet, and spend my days perfecting my art and playing superior Japanese games. (Disgaea, Final Fantasy, Persona series)

I train with my Katana every day, this superior weapon can cut clean through steel because it is folded over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my sword license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I speak Japanese fluently, both Kanji and the Osaka dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Japanese history and their bushido code, which I follow 100%

When I get my Japanese visa, I am moving to Tokyo to attend a prestigious High School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become an animator for Studio Ghibli or a game designer!

I own several kimonos, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Japan, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Japanese as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in Japan!

Camden Edwards
Camden Edwards

It's like I've watched this a million times

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith

That's honestly the western equivalent to derivative moeshit, completely worthless.

Jonathan Brown
Jonathan Brown

/co/

Luke Morales
Luke Morales

I own several kimonos, which I wear around town
But yukatas are comfy as fuck though

Colton Lee
Colton Lee

Let's not have this shitty thread again.

Benjamin Moore
Benjamin Moore

1) Comparative advantage. USA has a well developed movie industry, so they're better off doing series than cartoons.

2) Barriers to entry. "anime-style" is already well accepted by the public, but non-japanese people adopting this style are often faced with prejudice. So non-japs trying to compete have to cope with the higher costs of developing some other drawing style that also appeals to the public (riskier) or deal with the prejudice of not being japanese enough

Noah Diaz
Noah Diaz

RICK AND MORTY IS MORE ENTERTAINING THAN YOUR FAVORITE ANIME

Colton Richardson
Colton Richardson

But you don't even know what my favorite anime is, anon-kun.

Joshua Adams
Joshua Adams

The animation style is certainly ways above western standards, though the animation can be pretty solid in American cartoons too.
Also, I usually don't say this because it's the opposite of being Sup Forums related, but MLP is pretty damn solid, moreso than most never-ending anime series

Samuel Reed
Samuel Reed

Shit and Morty is tumblr garbage.

Jaxon Young
Jaxon Young

1st 3 seasons of Spongebob were the awesome.

Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

There're various examples of american cartoons with a decent fanbase. The main problem is that america lacks a standard for their cartoons, each author have to come up their own drawing style, which might or not be accepted by the public. So it's harder to enter in the industry as you'll have to deal with the risk of people simply not liking your drawing style.
On the other hand, japanese people can just use the standard in japanese animation and focus on other things.

Oliver Moore
Oliver Moore

I liked Gravity Falls and Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated. Star Wars Rebels ain't bad either.
I should check out if new Micky Mouse short episodes came out too.
Danger Mouse is awesome too, but that one's British.

In terms of production value and overall enjoyment, there's good stuff that Americans can do, just as there's good Japanese animation.

Cameron Gutierrez
Cameron Gutierrez

I get that, but I don't think the writers have to stress too much about the animation style.
On the other hand, if there's one thing I hate about the show I mentioned, it's exactly the fanbase, at least the majority of it.

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

What? There's nothing stopping you from just learning from artstyles of popular cartoons. Which is exactly what you're describing happening in anime - there's no one big school where they teach everyone certain specific standards that all anime art must fall within, people just take inspiration from other anime artstyles.

Aiden Hill
Aiden Hill

Of course all anime look the same.

Xavier Sanchez
Xavier Sanchez

Still better than Dragon Crisis.

Ryder Gray
Ryder Gray

Dragon Crisis actually looked good and had a damn good OP though, it's just the story and characters that were shit.

Carter Young
Carter Young

Not denying it, but there's how people are going to value your artstyle. If your work looks too much like X, some might think your work is inferior to X. Picture an american taking the anime standard artstyle (big eyes, small noses, unrealistic heads, but realistic body anatomy, etc) and a jap doing the same.

Hunter Clark
Hunter Clark

All I'm hearing is that somehow it's more difficult to develop a good artstyle if you're not Japanese.

Ayden Martinez
Ayden Martinez

It wouldn't matter, assuming they both did it well. I mean, come on, generic "anime-ish" artstyles do well all the time, even if they're of varying quality. Avatar, Wakfu, Code Lyoko, etc. Half the people watching dubbed anime on TV don't even know whether what they're watching is anime or a western cartoon.

Samuel Nelson
Samuel Nelson

Everything is rotten, from the audience, to the people making it, to the source material.

Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson

im a softie for the western cartoons like steven universe, chowder, gravity falls etc.

i also rewatch ed edd and eddy on a regular basis.

Colton Harris
Colton Harris

Many don't care, others do. You're on Sup Forums, don't deny the existence of weaboos.

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

We're talking about viability here, not "some people don't like this thing". That kind of artstyle is clearly commercially viable.

Anyway, my original point was about taking inspiration from other Western cartoons that are well-liked, which is what anime artists do with anime artstyles. There's no 'barrier to entry" regarding artstyle like you're talking about.

Levi Sanders
Levi Sanders

What, all western cartoons look the same, all have the same artstyle.

see this
this looks very generic, there is nothing creative about this artstyle. Brown colours, circle tool eyes, non-head hair. And the other stuff I can't really point out that contributes to its genericness.

There is some variation in western stuff, sure, but it's no more diverse than anime. Western cartoons put their effort into coming up with different animals to have as main characters, while everything else looks the same, while anime puts effort into stuff like eye shapes and clothes, but generally uses the same character outline.

Angel Young
Angel Young

American animation is all for children and done in Korea with shoestring budget, also western millennial ""comedy""

David Bell
David Bell

lgbt faggotry.

I dare someone produces an anime with a mixed gender cast but everyone is gay

Ian Nelson
Ian Nelson

The 90's-2000's animated DCU would like a word with you.

Cooper Long
Cooper Long

What? Weeaboos are exactly the ones who pile onto that kind of artstyle. "I watched ten anime and can say two sentences in Japanese, I'm such an otaku"-types love rwby.

Luke Jackson
Luke Jackson

Most anime comedies end up being unfunny as well, to be fair.

They're just different types of unfunny.

Jaxson Hill
Jaxson Hill

You also need to consider the fact that animation in the west is culturally associated with childishness, there's not a lot you can do to change that, but I think with the younger generations growing up with easy access to anime and adult-swim-esque content this cultural view might change over 20 or so years.

Ahhhh, too long!

We need anime fans to get to executive positions in the TV/entertainment industry

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

Because the west favors live action and CGI animation, and has largely become much better at it than the east.

Same applies to the Japanese and hand drawn animation

Adam Cook
Adam Cook

nah

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

Don't compare American Dad to the garbage fire that is Family Guy. Showtunes Man has only done voices in American Dad for like 10 seasons now.

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

Kek.

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

Anime fans in the TV industry are just going to be horrible Toonami weeaboos.

Ethan Hall
Ethan Hall

What's the source on bottom right user? I hate asking but it looks kind of cool.

Samuel Clark
Samuel Clark

There's cleary a demand for more mature cartoons in US, just look at the anime community outside japan, it's huge. If so, why aren't american studios trying to cater to this public? There're attempts, you named a few, but anyone trying to enter in this market will have to compete with japanese cartoons, and I'm argueing they have a comparative advantage. That's all.

Christopher Richardson
Christopher Richardson

Japs have an advantage because they have an established adult animation market with known names and lots of experience, not because Americans for some reason can't incorporate elements of popular artstyles into their own.

Jaxon Nelson
Jaxon Nelson

I'm not saying they can't, they can and they do, but it's harder for them to succeed due to the lack of an established adult animation market there, which affects both the quality of their works but also how the public perceives them. That's exacly the point I was trying to make, damn.

Hudson Flores
Hudson Flores

This

Because it's for children, is has to be kept simple, so characters mustn't become too complex and storylines must be concluded in the same episode they began.

Nipjaps better look out though because their overzealous workethic currently guides their industry into a cesspool that will see them up to their nose in shit due running well-selling concepts into the fucking ground while simultaneously oversaturating the market. It's no coincidence that animoo is notorious for how extremely it rehashes characters and plotlines. The west is guilty of this, as well, no doubt, but nothing compares to the vast stage prop storage of anime-productions when it comes to tossing character concepts together.

If OP needs proof, just direct him to the SoL and harem category of any streaming- or torrenting-site.

Bentley Ramirez
Bentley Ramirez

Gravity Falls is legit underrated. Even its professed fans generally don't get it.

Jaxson Bailey
Jaxson Bailey

Heard some good things about it, tried it, couldn't watch more than like 2 or 3 episodes.
I don't see the appeal of it beyond it tries to at least do some more interesting things than just the regular braindead cartoon cliches, but never going anywhere high with those.

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

It's 'interesting' to see a show made by people who genuinely think that Adventure Time and Regular Show are based around 'random' humor and don't understand the weird observations about life experience embedded in them that make them work in the first place.

Matthew Moore
Matthew Moore

Gravity Falls has an incredibly offbeat sense of humor, most of the jokes fly way over more people's heads and it really doesn't care that few people will pick up on the weirder things it does. It can be genuinely generic at times, but if you don't see what its doing it will seem like a typical kids cartoon with an overblown plot attached to it.

Brandon Long
Brandon Long

Gravity Falls, South Park, Adventure Time and Steven Universe are all really good.

Ryder Barnes
Ryder Barnes

Samurai Jack was okay but it actually suffers from not finishing. And it's pretty clear there was no intent to finish in a timely manner.

Nathaniel Scott
Nathaniel Scott

by Studio Trigger

Lucas Ross
Lucas Ross

What I can't tolerate is little boy lead in cartoons, which happens pretty often.
I blame anime for this though, because their faggy shotas made me hate all little boys.

Aaron Parker
Aaron Parker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXpWAO0F7ck

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

B-but crossdressing little boys are great.

Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

I like how he dodges having to talk about MLP by using its old generation as example, instead of the male/fandom pandering current series.

Owen Howard
Owen Howard

Different user but it's Nijuu Mensou no Musume. Not a horrible show.

Nolan Morris
Nolan Morris

Studio Trigger has not managed a good series yet, so it's not surprising.

Ryder Ross
Ryder Ross

Because western cartoons exist for sell plastic toys and t-shirts with hilarious faces, you cant expect western making esque- Hibiki euphonium cartoons.

Jack Lopez
Jack Lopez

Someone post the reversed one :D

Aiden Clark
Aiden Clark

There are all kinds of factors not just one. Here some reasons.
Better education
In America the teacher's just care if you pass the class and get a passing grade on those retarded standardized tests. In Japan, there is a greater emphasis on other course like arts and crafts, and even higher education classes in America struggle with teaching kids things like anatomy or live drawing two subjects that are so vital to animation. Because not many people are good at drawing they wind up on television, the good ones get hired by Disney and Pixar.
2. Respect for the medium
Not just Japan, but in other countries that produce better animations, like France. There's a reason why Je Suis Charlie existed. Its because to be a cartoonist in France is the equivalent of a hollywood celebrity. Americans think cartoons and animations are just silly shit and giggles.
3. Animator's Union
They raised the wages so high for animator's, even lowly ones doing small shit, that all the jobs got sent to Korea, its the reason most TV animation is done in Worst Korea.

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

esque- Hibiki euphonium

Charles White
Charles White

Why are cartoons made in Japan so much better then ones made in America?
Many are better 'cause they do some serious work on them. Especially the animators and voice actors are amazing.

That said, their story writers often suck. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say that some of the dumbest shit is apparently what TV networks can peddle best, and will fund to be animated.

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

I agree. As far as writing goes in regards to serious plot, anime is really underwhelming.
Many of the aforementioned cartoons have a better plot even in self constrained one shot episodes.

Chase Cook
Chase Cook

Well, I think the Japs really do like 'Akuma Buster Star Butterfly' these days

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28544589

Blake Phillips
Blake Phillips

TV animation has been considered garbage for children for decades.

That's exactly what anime is for japs though.

Michael Martin
Michael Martin

Once again, ruined by little boy.
Fuck do they need to push one in every series.

Jaxson Cruz
Jaxson Cruz

King of the Hill is based. Nice mix of Comedy/SoL with occasional drama and great characters.

Ethan Stewart
Ethan Stewart

Main characters remind me of Big-O. Hopefully this show doesn't have a mind fuck ending. Thank you

Ethan Davis
Ethan Davis

That's exactly what anime is for japs though.
stop watching shounen / shoujo

Logan Anderson
Logan Anderson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxdgCPtanow

Ryder Lewis
Ryder Lewis

A girl meets a boy, unable to confess her love. she.....
Yeah japan is totally better on every plane.

Nolan Perez
Nolan Perez

just like muh shirobako

Jace Nelson
Jace Nelson

implying than shounen is the trash of the anime
but every best selling anime ever has been a shounen

If there's a genre of japanese cartoon that isn't considered unsuccessful garbage for kids by the japs (there isn't, but let's say there was), it's shounen. Shounen is the best genre and sales prove it.

Camden Ramirez
Camden Ramirez

Shounen is not a genre, it means the target audience is 8-15 years old mostly.

Andrew Jones
Andrew Jones

8-15 boys*
For girls, the same age range would be shoujo.

Henry Price
Henry Price

I guess that's why there's a huge section of shounen in manga stores mixed with all the other genres right? Leave it to gayjin to talk shit about that Japanese stuff he doesn't know about it really.

Levi Lewis
Levi Lewis

that doesn't contradict what he said at all

Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

but every best selling anime ever has been a shounen
What. The best selling shounen is SnK, and it's ninth overall.

Landon Garcia
Landon Garcia

What are you even talking about?

Aiden Morales
Aiden Morales

This low detail, noodle people shit that Adventure Time popularized aggravates me to no end

Nicholas Brown
Nicholas Brown

What is doragon boru? What is Naruto? What is shinseiki? What is detective conan? What is one piece? What is...

Carter Howard
Carter Howard

NGE is anime-original, the rest all sold worse than SnK.

Jeremiah Cruz
Jeremiah Cruz

What's the KotH of anime?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amKyA2PrSu4

Landon Gray
Landon Gray

the first Ben10 was good. Probably one of the first time I had an incest pairing.
Teen Titans was pretty nice too.

Dominic White
Dominic White

SnK sold a bit more than 22 million
One Piece sold more than 273400 million
SnK doesn't even make it to the top 20

Source your claims user 141278095.

this kills the newfag

Aaron Johnson
Aaron Johnson

http://www.someanithing.com/2581
http://www.someanithing.com/312
http://www.someanithing.com/1

Fuck off.

Brandon Price
Brandon Price

mentioning incest pairing
that picture
Neat.

Also I watched current generation of MLP too after years of passionate hatred for it, and it's actually a pretty amusing moe/SoL show, almost like watching my anime so far, though I fear I will see why it's hated so much soon.

Christian Jones
Christian Jones

Studio Trigger

○TRIGGER TVアニメ売上一覧
(2013) 11,563 キルラキル
(2014) **,996 異能バトルは日常系のなかで
(2016) *1,424 ニンジャスレイヤー フロムアニメイシヨン
**1,301位/**1,301位 (***,162 pt) [*,**2予約] 2016/06/08 キズナイーバー 1(イベントチケット優先販売申し込み券付)(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray]

RIP and good riddance fucking westaboo fucks.

Jace Hill
Jace Hill

posts sources for TV/discs only
source keeps track of sales only in Japan
even though source is shit, it doesn't even support his original claim that SnK is the best selling series of all time

I guess this is the kind of shitpost people post when they're desperate right?

Elijah Davis
Elijah Davis

Anime has cute girls and is not limited by western morality and SJWism.

Gabriel Gray
Gabriel Gray

Was that supposed to be so fucking sexual?

Lucas Perez
Lucas Perez

MLP was great regardless for what people say.
I started watching it for the popular lesbian horses. Then dropped it after the third season because it got boring and I just started to notice how disgusting the fandom really was.

Jordan Morris
Jordan Morris

American cartoons are kind of trash right now because they're dominated by young creators who all went to the same school, leading to little variety and originality, and generally low quality. It worked for a few shows so now CN and Disney do it for just about every show. I'm not sure about Nick but I haven't watched a Nick cartoon since Korra.

They also have a different direction, so it makes sense to prefer one over the other. Japanese animation tries to look detailed and complex in regards to character design and effects, sometimes leading to really cheap-looking animation. Western animation has extremely facile character design, but much more fluid animation as a result. They also generally have larger budgets and much more time to make them, so that helps a lot too.

Also, anime obviously has much more variety. In America 90% of cartoons are comedies for children, and those that aren't are either comedies for adults (mostly trash), or action/drama shows for kids (with lots of comedy). This is probably the reason you say Japanese scripts just seem way more solid, shows like your pic just aren't made. As far as direction goes I don't really agree, Adventure Time has great direction in some episodes (although, perhaps non-coincidentally, the best episode of the show was directed by Masaaki Yuasa. Go figure.)

Eli Hill
Eli Hill

Frozen the television series
Wait, what? First time I hear of it. And I even went to check the Frozen Wikipedia page and there's no mention of such thing.

Samuel Williams
Samuel Williams

Yuzuki was the incest girl not Ruu.

Jacob Walker
Jacob Walker

I don't really intend to get involved with the fandom. If the show doesn't drop huge in quality, I guess I've found myself a nice addition to my list, which is pretty ironic after how much I hated it until a few weeks ago.

Wyatt Williams
Wyatt Williams

I know. That's why it was subtle.

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

Anyone have that image about animation in America being a dying craft and how schools don't teach even the basics anymore, you know the one that triggers /co/?

Zachary Lee
Zachary Lee

broccoli soup

I have literally never heard this. And macaroni and cheese is a 0/10 pleb dish, he can get pasta with almost-real tomato sauce if he wants macaroni.

Brandon Ortiz
Brandon Ortiz

Not how closely this reflects an animator's schedule, but 3 hours of free time per week might be a reason

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

by Studio Trigger
I googled the text and the page with that interview says it's Studio Khara.

https://marinasauce.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/sakura-con-2016-designingworking-in-the-anime-industry-with-hiroyasu-kobayashi-and-shigeto-koyama/

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

The best American cartoon in the last decade was Batman Brave & the Bold.

Daniel Gomez
Daniel Gomez

What the fuck is SnK

Logan White
Logan White

You're right

Khara (studio)
Founder: HIdeaki Anno

Henry Ross
Henry Ross

It's broccoli and cheese

Henry Wilson
Henry Wilson

There's a few rare gems around.

The original Watership Down movie, at least.

Animated movies don't get taken seriously either. Academy Award nominees for animation aren't even watched by judges. They literally give the awards to Dreamworks or Pixar depending on how many of the judge's children saw the cartoon.

Last year's was particularly hurtful considering that literally any other nominee was better than what actually on the award.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Animated_Feature#2010s

It's just a fucking joke. This whole industry is a joke

Easton Ross
Easton Ross

American cartoons are kind of trash right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8wOE7J8G1U

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

The really simple answer is that they produce significantly more of it, and a much larger percentage of Japanese artists must draw cartoons than in other countries.

Manga is a multi-billion dollar industry and the largest source of comics in the world- without taking doujin or piracy into account. Over a quarter of all book and magazine sales in Japan are manga, in a rather literate country.
Anime follows from manga: the art styles are nearly identical, and comics are naturally easy to adapt into animation.

I've been trying to find good numbers on the size of the anime industry versus the U.S. and Chinese industries, but the most I can say is that they're of similar size. Those countries are also 2.5x and 10x the size of Japan.
That means Japan is the largest major producer of animation per capita by a long shot.

If you want an extremely rough demonstration of this, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animation_studios
137 studios from the United States are listed, however 58 are listed as defunct.
92 studios from Japan, with only 8 defunct.
So nearly the same number of studios listed between the center of the global entertainment industry and an island with 40% of its population, on a page made by English-speakers.
That says little about the total number of animators, but you get an idea of the disparity.

Charles Johnson
Charles Johnson

I don't have the image saved but someone screencapped the judge commentary for the animated films and it was absolutely disgusting. Just a bunch of housewives and old people bitching about anime being too confusing to watch and not family-friendly enough.

Luis Parker
Luis Parker

old dc animated shows were 10/10

Aaron Butler
Aaron Butler

What the fuck aren't you lurking more?

Nolan Morris
Nolan Morris

It's ok anons

Oscars are really nothing more than the (jew run) industry patting itself on the back. It's all just rich white men jerking each other off.

Juan Diaz
Juan Diaz

South Park
hi /pol/

Christopher White
Christopher White

He also mentions Adventure Time and Steven Universe which are SJW/tumblr friendly shows.

Zachary Collins
Zachary Collins

though I fear I will see why it's hated so much soon.
The reason why it's hated so much is the fandom. The "bronies" are cringy just to look at through a computer screen; how they prance and rave about shit nobody cares while infesting it with filth only adult degenerates or autistic manchildren can. If you like watching cartoons it's fine, just don't go all zealous about it, it's just a show, a colorful, comfy time spender to help unwind.
It's kinda like the sonic fandom. Enjoyable franchise on its own, but the eyes of God turns away from the degeneracy going rampant with OCs and autistic fetishists.
If you just watch it and steer clear of that you'll be fine, I liken the experience to watching Power Puff Girls growing up, although I grew bored of it by, like, season three. Catchy songs tho.

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

I remember seeing an article where they interviewed people eligible to vote on the animation category, what they thought of the nominees and which one they would vote for. Or maybe it was which one they did vote for? Anyways the point is:

The responses were things like "I didn't see any of these, but this one was made by Pixar and they always make the best ones so I'll vote for that." or "This one has a cute dog. You've gotta give it to the cute dog, right?

Joseph White
Joseph White

I'm just through a number of silly songs by the pink one which I didn't dislike, but then there were two actual songs and I love them. Hope they keep this up.
Also if I was able not to go full apeshit about anime, I'm pretty sure I can handle this too without becoming a "brony". How correct am I in calling them the equivalent of weaboos?

Kevin Brooks
Kevin Brooks

/pol/ hates steven universe.

Thomas Richardson
Thomas Richardson

Steven Universe isn't very subtle with its moralism but I don't get that vibe from Adventure Time.

Isaiah Young
Isaiah Young

implying South Park isn't among the most mainstream of shows and the most general kind of popular, unfunny shit, like a moron.

Michael Brown
Michael Brown

reddit memes in Powerpuff Girls

WHY

Nicholas Flores
Nicholas Flores

They are like rabid fans of moe anime. Best girl wars, merchandise, porn, etc

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

What's the point of this post? Old Cape cartoons are nice?

Luke James
Luke James

Because only animated movies are taken seriously in America
animated movies are taken seriously in America

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

Whatever, nothing new, or anything I want to get involved with, thanks for the heads up.
Also it amazed me that the characters I expected to hate from a glance turned out to be quite lovely, but I guess I can't judge characters as well without much experience with the medium.

Cooper Richardson
Cooper Richardson

They kinda are man.
Adventure Time started out as a boy and his dog going on trippy adventures and good old fashioned dungeon crawling and princess saving, then, as the show went on it began focusing on stupid shit and characters nobody cared about, and shitty romance plots for a 14 year old that went nowhere, THEN Finn and Jake turned into a pseudo side characters as it became more the Princess and Marceline show. And SU goes pretty on the nose with their shit, they even had a female character throw the "term" "Nuclear Family", there's also points where it becomes uncomfortable with the visuals and undertones and "Fusions"
Risking becoming one isn't the issue, as any sane person will just watch the show for it's face value, I'm just saying what kills it or otherwise puts people off is the religious following of manchildren.
How correct am I in calling them the equivalent of weaboos?
What this guy said, though those aren't inherently exclusive to weeaboos.

Asher Jackson
Asher Jackson

Good thing the fandom never really influenced my liking of a show.

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

This is so baka to post, low level animator schedule and weekly managa artist are probably incredibly different.

Each manga artist has a different schedule based on needs,assistants,life,etc. To even TRY and compare to the two is simply baka.

Hudson Fisher
Hudson Fisher

Let's take a little walk through my thoughts in the last minute or so.

New powerpuff girls?
Oh wow new season, that's awesome
Bubbles, no
Why would they do that
Wake me up inside
CAN'T WAKE UP

Alexander Cook
Alexander Cook

SU goes pretty on the nose with their shit, they even had a female character throw the "term" "Nuclear Family", there's also points where it becomes uncomfortable with the visuals and undertones and "Fusions"

This isn't SJW/Tumblr. This is your own insecurities poking through. I honestly don't know how anything in SU can make you uncomfortable.

Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

A fighting game

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

they just want to be hip and updated with the young audiences with 8 year old memes.

Matthew Bell
Matthew Bell

They really fucked up with the reboot didn't they?

Daniel Watson
Daniel Watson

they even had a female character throw the "term" "Nuclear Family"
wow someone call the cops

Nathaniel Thomas
Nathaniel Thomas

I hate people complain about the new PPG, it's not for you anymore. You're a grown ass man watching little bug eyed girls, move on.

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

samurai jack here we come

William Russell
William Russell

I like the subtle ass cheeks in the opening though.
Is that worth something?

Ian Brown
Ian Brown

Defending the new PPG ever

Adam Rogers
Adam Rogers

160 posts
Ctrl+f Gumball
0 results.
Why haven't any of you twits mentioned this yet? Amazing World of Gumball is basically the only recent cartoon worth watching nowadays.

Chase Perry
Chase Perry

Because that doesn't fit the 'western cartoons are SJW-pandering garbage' agenda

Hunter Wilson
Hunter Wilson

It's only worth watching for the mom.

Nathaniel Cooper
Nathaniel Cooper

Just like there are YA, "guys' reads", and women's sections in American book stores, yes.

Robert Thompson
Robert Thompson

The new PPG is literally made by a bunch of SJWs and nu-males who care more about brainwashing children than making a good cartoon

Christian Perry
Christian Perry

nu-males sounds like a type of candy

Brayden Robinson
Brayden Robinson

I don’t know, The Venture Bros is much funnier than Konosuba, Gintama, etc.

Blake Rogers
Blake Rogers

mentioning her and not posting the relevant web.m
Why user?

Gavin Bell
Gavin Bell

We never really made the show for kids; we always just made it for us.
Craig McCracken, on The Powerpuff Girls.

Dylan Johnson
Dylan Johnson

the only thing western cartoons do better than anime is humor

japanese comedy is just terrible. the timing is bad, the delivery is bad, the jokes aren't even particularly funny, and punchlines always get overly explained like they think the audience is stupid.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

Studio Trigger's style does feel like it takes a few notes from American cartoons.

Their character designs and color palettes seem simpler and more streamlined than other anime.

They've hit a good balance in my opinion.

Ryder Campbell
Ryder Campbell

The Venture Bros

I forgot about that show. I love Venture Bros.

Evan Davis
Evan Davis

that's more of a matter of cultural differences than a difference in production quality

besides, if we're talking about production quality take a look at some of disney's hand-drawn movies or ILM, which i'd say are miles ahead of most of what japan makes

David Edwards
David Edwards

The direction and scripts just seem way more solid in my opinion.
Are you memeing me?

Cooper Sanchez
Cooper Sanchez

Who Archer here?

Nathaniel Barnes
Nathaniel Barnes

Aren't there cartoons aimed at young adults though? Like Archer? (which is the only american cartoon I've watched in the last five years)

Angel Miller
Angel Miller

It's popular therefore it sucks
This is literally all that you wrote.

Wyatt Morgan
Wyatt Morgan

That's to be expected of the animation equivalent of Hollywood. The thing is, animation itself is the medium, so the studios with access to more money/workers will invariably have better production, which isn't true of live action films.

Evan Fisher
Evan Fisher

Prime time anime have an unprecedented history of selling like shit. If the lifeline of Naruto, Conan, and One Piece relied on anime sales, all three would have died about 2 decades ago. Dragonball only has a high average due to countless box set and rereleases. Also, the average volume for primetime shows have four episodes as opposed to 2 for most seasonal shows and are sold at a lower price tag.

source keeps track of sales only in Japan
Implying westerners buy anime

Michael Foster
Michael Foster

I play a euphonium and I love this.

Isaiah Scott
Isaiah Scott

At least American cartoons can do comedy.

Nathaniel Williams
Nathaniel Williams

Bojack Horseman on Netflix is a cartoon aimed specifically at adults

Kayden Lopez
Kayden Lopez

you post it user

Eli Ortiz
Eli Ortiz

You could argue that LN don't count because they can be so steeped in Japanese comics' culture, but I wish there were more western animations, films and shows, based on novels. I'm going to watch The Magic Treehouse some time soon, and also Ulysses 31.

Luis Fisher
Luis Fisher

disney's hand-drawn movies

Do they still make those?

Thomas Campbell
Thomas Campbell

no

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

Last one was 2009. It was their movies that made me see the value in CGi, but the real reason is because it sells better. The best you can hope for are TV originals by Disneytoon.

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

my problem with disney's CG is that a lot of their movies seem really obviously formulated to me, in the sense that they had a think tank come up with the setting and plot that would sell the best
for example, i thought zootopia looked absolutely gorgeous but the script just wasn't very good

Lincoln Sanders
Lincoln Sanders

Top Left
Looks like Senior fighting someone from School Shock, which is chink stuff
Next three
Prefer sauce in top right since reverse image search only gave me info on bottom left

Cooper Gray
Cooper Gray

You gotta watch the old ones, no the good ones. Let me give you a list:

Courage the cowardly dog
Tom and Jerry
Loony Toons
Scooby doo(Dont go past mystery inc.)
Marvel Comics: Spiderman
Spiderman unlimited
Spectacular Spiderman
Batman:TAS
Batman Beyond
Batman: Brave and the Bold (Watch the animated films too)
The Maxx
Spawn
Teen Titans (Original)
Hellboy Films
Transformers
X-men series
TMNT (2003)
Samurai Jack
Hey, Arnold
Krypto
The original PPG(Plus the Movie)
Gravity Falls (Amazing Writing)
Star vs. The forces of Evil
Wonder over Yonder (Great idea that got cancelled too soon)
All the Animated DC movies
All old Disney movies
All old Dreamworks movies
And Pinky and the Brain

Thats all the Greats.

Evan Richardson
Evan Richardson

t. 1992

Isaiah Ward
Isaiah Ward

Because that's what it pretty much is. Disney has been creatively dead for ages. The most they do these days are the corporate and marketing stuff like acquiring more properties (Star Wars, Marvel etc). They don't really give much shit about experimenting around like they used to.

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

I haven't seen the last few, but I know what you mean. It's a shame, since a lot of the latest ones have interesting concepts and, alongside the great look, interesting styles. It feels very unlike things from any other time period, though. Even taking into account the obvious difference between decades, there's still a distinct feel to their films, and that kind of went away with the advent of CG. It's like the new medium let them (or made them) change the pacing/tone. Or maybe it's just that they're not trying to animated. A lot of them feel like they're trying to be live action movies that just happen to be animated, even if they do "cartoony" things.

James Carter
James Carter

wow, how did you not include Gumball or a bunch of older CN and AS shows

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

Avatar should be up there, or does it not count since it's styled after anime?

Jordan Morales
Jordan Morales

the script just wasn't very good
Didn't that go through extensive rework later on because it was getting a bit too dark for a target audience consisting of children?
From what I gather it was supposed to have a more dystopian feel to it with predators forced to wear shock collars and there being a very VERY strong level of disparity between the species. There was also a bleaker set up, Nick was also the main protagonist out to try and solve a murder he was framed for.

Parker Diaz
Parker Diaz

Teen Titans (Original)
That isn't what you think it is.
All old Disney movies
All old Dreamworks movies
HA
You've got a relatively narrow list here, grabbing from just a few areas.
For my personal recommendations, I'd say anything by the CN Trio (McCracken, Faust, and Tartakovsky), Disney films from 1989-2000, with Avatar and Totally Spies! for flavor.

Tyler Bennett
Tyler Bennett

A lot of them feel like they're trying to be live action movies that just happen to be animated
I think you nailed it with this. Say what you want about anime, but there's the sense of them playing around with the visuals in the way that the medium allows them. I tried getting into the more recent works of Disney and it just doesn't have the sort of elements that separate it from the typical live action in terms of things like the presentation or direction.

Dominic Morgan
Dominic Morgan

It oddly enough got better after the third season because of fan complaints. Bronies are like a double-edged sword.

Angel Garcia
Angel Garcia

That actually sounds fucked up. I haven't seen the film, but I don't think I could deal with the original tone.

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

Aren't you just illustrating the issue?

That in a list of "all the Greats", there is only that few entries from over the past 85 years.

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

what show is that?

Jason Sanders
Jason Sanders

Your right

Avatar (Not Korra)
Amazing world of Gumball
Totally Spies
Regular show
Invader Zim
Danny Phantom
T.U.F.F Puppy
CatDog
Black Panther TAS
Dextors Lab
My Life as a Teenage robot (Jenny is best girl)
Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Ronny and Mr. Whiskers (Ronny Best girl)
Ben 10(Anything after alien force is shit repeat SHIT)
Oh yeah Mickey Mouse
And Zootopia

That should be it i think.

P.S. Judy is the most Moe girl this decade

Charles Myers
Charles Myers

I still watch old PPG at 3 am in Cartoon Network, and enjoy every single second, you are a faggot.

Isaiah Martin
Isaiah Martin

Don't forget Spongebob before the movie, Sealab 2021, Wakfu, Oban Star Racers, Ed Edd n Eddy, etc. I'd also argue that Korra is actually good.

Mason Diaz
Mason Diaz

But even kids anime in Japan are way better than most kids cartoons in America.

Isaac White
Isaac White

That guy was just half right.

Most of the west still thinks cartoons can only be 2 things. Simple stuff for kids, or raunchy comedies for young adults.

A few things have come close. Some shows like adventure time and steven universe are still pretty damn episodic and childish, but they've at least tried to have overarching plots and serious tones at times.

And then there's Avatar, which while still kind of intended for kids was a huge step up and more like anime than anything else.

Ethan Baker
Ethan Baker

I honestly don't know how anything in SU can make you uncomfortable.

I don't get it either. If anything SU is a show that actually succeeds at being 'diverse' in that it's created by people who are actually interested in exploring various characters as human beings, as opposed to shoving in characters to push a specific agenda.

Adrian Russell
Adrian Russell

273400 million
That isn't how numbers work.

Jayden Walker
Jayden Walker

Even if the characters only do regular, everyday things without much flare, there's still a lot you can do stylistically that helps inform the character direction. The Garden of Words comes to mind. It's realistic, but it has a style that just doesn't get used in live action things. Animation usually has more varied tones just because people don't feel obligated to make it "realistic", which can at times just make things seem too same-y. I don't think that "realistic" acting is that much closer to life than "cartoon" acting, either (comparing similar genres, that is).

Cameron Rogers
Cameron Rogers

Most of those are from the past 35 years.
Past 85 years wouldn't be that weird; the 30s was kind of the start of the industry in the west and the east.

Caleb Lee
Caleb Lee

Anime's target age group ranges from 5 to 30+ years old. Also has the benefit of usually being based on some sort of source material. Meanwhile cartoons are done off no source material and targeted to kids 16 and under.

Jack Young
Jack Young

Yes, it is.

Good Rule of Thumb
Don't try to correct people when:
1. He is more right than you.
2. You are ignorant of the subject in the first place.

Colton Turner
Colton Turner

watch Tarzan last night
Be amazed at the scenes where Tarzan is surfing thru the trees.
That amazing hand-drawn animation
Never to be seen again.
All that talent will be lost in time
Like Tears in the rain.
Fuck you Disney you bunch of greedy kikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGKj_yB5_PI

Juan Lopez
Juan Lopez

After 999 million, the number is 1 billion.

Nicholas Richardson
Nicholas Richardson

I'd also argue that Korra is actually good.
At the very least, it looks super good.

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

Go back to math, 2nd class.

Adrian Sullivan
Adrian Sullivan

You missed my point; it's not that "would be that weird", it's that if you are making a list that is covering that long of a time frame, there should be far more entries than that.

But there aren't.
And that illustrates the issue OP has brought up.

William Martinez
William Martinez

It's not technically wrong, it's just a very non-typical way of saying it.

Parker Hill
Parker Hill

Please tell me about all the great anime being made recently.
Deal with it, most anime and most US cartoons are shit.
People only remember gems.

Elijah Russell
Elijah Russell

Oh yeah, my mistake! No one has EVER formatted a number like "twenty five hundred" for example.

Fucking moron.

Gavin Harris
Gavin Harris

Danny Phantom
CatDog
Ya blew it
No Young Justice
No Johnny Bravo
No Animaniacs

Jacob Clark
Jacob Clark

I understand, and I agree.

Liam Nelson
Liam Nelson

season 2 never

Adrian Myers
Adrian Myers

Twenty five hundred is just said because it's easier than two thousand five hundred, and it's only once decimal place off.

273400 million is just autism.

Jeremiah Bailey
Jeremiah Bailey

Also forgot Batman: The Animated Series. Probably the best show that American animation has given us in the past 30 years that wasn't a comedy.

Michael Wilson
Michael Wilson

Why was Avatar so much better than 90% of anime?

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

They're not, it's just that the really good shows are just dragged on forever until they suck.
Take earlier seasons of The Simpsons and Archer, no anime exists that are better than them, only on par.

Robert Bailey
Robert Bailey

Probably the best show that American animation has given us in the past 30 years
AH--
that wasn't a comedy.
Oh, then I agree.

Aaron White
Aaron White

little boy main lead
Already wrong

Ethan Hill
Ethan Hill

For sure, the team who worked on that was insanely talented.

Owen Davis
Owen Davis

It's an extension of Japanese attitude toward manga and art.

Mangaka are highly respected in Japan, earning the same title as teachers and doctors. Manga is consumed by a very large chunk of the population, spanning a huge age range with countless different genres and publications. While publishers and editors have power in determining what gets written, manga are still largely in control of the mangaka (especially if they're someone like Togashi).

Here in the US, comics are consumed by a tiny pocket demographic that is often as extreme as hardcore otaku in japan. The plots of the comics are controlled almost entirely by corporations and nobody outside of comic fandom knows the names of the authors.

Japanese culture also just has an enormous respect for art of any sort. By contrast, the only thing that gets respect in the west is whatever sells best.

Samuel Gonzalez
Samuel Gonzalez

Mangaka are highly respected in Japan

Blake Young
Blake Young

I feel like the problem with cgi is that doesn't age well, love the Incredibles but watching it now it feels a bit aged, the character's skin looks to oily at times. it doesn't help that many video games look just as good. Hand-drawn rarely does bad, you can watch Pinocchio and it still looks good.
One thing I will say about Disney is that they seem to be only ones that are trying. Everything other studio seems to be selling out in order to sell shitty merch.

Levi Cooper
Levi Cooper

manga are still largely in control of the mangaka
What the hell are you high on?

Robert Gonzalez
Robert Gonzalez

Er, most Japanese people aren't otakus like the weebs on this imageboard (this includes you).
Hollywood films are still the biggest ticket sellers in Japan. Hell, they make some decent live-action films themselves too.

Grayson Gutierrez
Grayson Gutierrez

Right here bro.r

Jordan Hill
Jordan Hill

earning the same title as teachers and doctors
he thinks the term sensei by itself denotes prestige

Owen Brown
Owen Brown

Because 90% of everything is shit. The 10% remaining anime are much better than Avatar in every aspect.

Cooper Williams
Cooper Williams

Remember, the best way to enjoy king of the hill is in japanese:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7385863

James James
James James

every aspect
every
Oh man, I'm not an oldfag, but I imagine that old Sup Forums just had people enjoying anime and manga, not stereotypical weebtards.
Is this the stupidity that oldfags complain about?

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

More discussions
More elitism
Sup Forums got a lot of traffic right when we started getting a lot of fantastic anime seasons in 2007-2008 so I guess everyone was a bit happier.

Jacob Diaz
Jacob Diaz

Do you have any actual arguments as to why avatar beats out the 10% of anime that's considered the best that Japanese animation has to offer?

Carter Fisher
Carter Fisher

Fuck man, I don't need these nostalgic feels
tfw it was the late 90s and you only had the option of watching dubbed Disney movies on VHS or theater
Great adaptation of songs though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x90JskM5DE

Jack Morris
Jack Morris

Mangaka are highly respected in Japan, earning the same title as teachers and doctors.
Something I noticed. The "ka" means "writer". A literal translation would probably be "cartoonist", but the implication is that it's WRITING. Someone with the same job would probably be called a "comic artist" in the west. In other words, there's less emphasis put on it as story. The "ka" is also used in the word for "novelist".
There's also the obvious difference that "manga" and "cartoon" refer to drawings in general, which include animation, but "manga" has a slight implication towards still drawings and "cartoon" has a heavy implication towards animation specifically, not necessarily drawn things.
Going along with these, you're right that it's a definite difference in the way these creators are seen (language probably plays a part in that), but the term "sensei" doesn't really mean anything special. If we're being literal, it just means someone with more experience in a certain field.

Jacob Lopez
Jacob Lopez

The "ka" means "writer"
No it doesn't. The 家 in mangaka denotes '-ist' as used in indicating someone's occupation or pursuits.

Jack Wilson
Jack Wilson

Anime has nothing to do with autism. Stop believing everything you read on the Internet.

Fluid animation doesn't count for anything if the character designs and camera work are dead simple.

Disney had very fluid animation, but that was the only thing they had over anime. And having fluid animation doesn't even mean anything by itself.

It wasn't.

Caleb Sanders
Caleb Sanders

I feel like Japan has a set a standard that America refuses to acknowledge.

Jonathan Rivera
Jonathan Rivera

Fuck man, I've never seen any disney stuff in HD. I might have to go find some BD rips of Tarzan and some other old disney movies now.

One thing that blows my mind is that Disney has shown the world how to seamlessly integrate CG with 2D animation on at least two occasions now with Beauty and the Beast (ballroom scene) and Tarzan, but nobody has followed their example. It's really quite simple: rely on computer shading as little as possible. Instead, paint textures (including shading) the same way you paint background mattes and apply the textures to your 3D models. This is what they did for the trees/vine surfing and it looks great. The manual texturing adds that missing imperfect human touch.

Most modern CG instead tries to mimic 2D purely through shaders and disfigured models and it looks like shit because that's really fucking hard to do right.

Lincoln Martinez
Lincoln Martinez

Treasure planet also makes amazing use of CG if I'm not mistaken

Carter Barnes
Carter Barnes

What should blow your mind more is that Disney demonstrated they have the capability to do things like that but didn't really make use of them beyond a scene here and there. "Well that was cool I guess, now let's go back to boring wide angle shots from the side." They had to switch to 3D animation to get out of that mindset.

Evan Rogers
Evan Rogers

Look up Glenn Keane he's the master animator responsible for Tarzan's movements. I want Disney to do 2D films again. Which might happen as it appears that the whole cgi industry has seemed to gone to shit. Also we might get more adult animations. Seth Rogen and his pals are doing an animated DUDE WEEEEEED LMAO film, it'll be stupid but I'll support it.

Eli Williams
Eli Williams

Yeah, I'm glad that there's pretty much always been anime that makes creative use of the fact it's animated and can be literally anything without breaking the viewer's suspense of disbelief, all while costing a fraction of what a live action production trying to do the same might cost.

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

You can also thank Frozen for effectively ending any future efforts at traditional animation.
I disagree with this. More money and workers even in animation does not always equate to a better product.

Logan Sanchez
Logan Sanchez

I disagree with this. More money and workers even in animation does not always equate to a better product.
I meant for it as a piece of animation, not as a film. Visual art is much easier to just "get better at", since nice movement and detail makes it easy to forget lacking cinematography.

Mason Reed
Mason Reed

Japan wants that sweet CGI money.

Lucas Myers
Lucas Myers

Not agreeing with the other guy...

but it does.

Ethan Torres
Ethan Torres

they ruined Teen Titans
they ruined Scooby Doo
Will they ruin Samurai Jack?

Aaron Moore
Aaron Moore

Seth Rogen and his pals are doing an animated DUDE WEEEEEED LMAO film
That's entirely CGI.

I find it interesting that it's cheaper to make a traditionally animated film from scratch than it is to make a CGI film from scratch.

Budget
Up: $175 million
The Princess and the Frog: $105 million
Ponyo: $34 million

Parker Turner
Parker Turner

by itself denotes prestige
by itself
Sensei denotes respect to someone more senior or more in the know than you, but it doesn't directly mean prestige, because Japan, as with many Asian culture places high emphasis on that sort of thing. So no, it doesn't, because respect and prestige don't have the same usage or connotation in an Asian context. They overlap in implication yes, but they are different.

Anthony Jenkins
Anthony Jenkins

Go home weeb

Josiah Bell
Josiah Bell

You know sometimes something Japanese actually IS better than something American, and this is one of those times.

Luis Peterson
Luis Peterson

I wouldn't say animation in general, though. Maybe a few things, but not everything.

Isaac Howard
Isaac Howard

If we want to quibble over semantics of unrelated English words, we can do that and prove anything.

But anyway, next time I go to the East Asian business department, I'll be sure to tell the native speaker that he is wrong about elementary words in his own language.

Kayden King
Kayden King

Then what does US animation do better than anime?

Kayden Gomez
Kayden Gomez

Does /co/ have an equivalent to nyaa?

Lincoln Thompson
Lincoln Thompson

Yeah, the (capital A) Animation isn't better in general, but Animation is heavily influenced by budget and there is more to movies than production value.

The subset of movies where people are still working and still trying things in is the subset that is still alive.

Jose Hernandez
Jose Hernandez

all this bullshit
writes SoL and haremshit in the same category

Nolan King
Nolan King

last animated Disney movie was Princess and the Frog

Dylan Hill
Dylan Hill

The disapproval of Western viewers doesn't matter at all for the anime industry.

Jonathan Flores
Jonathan Flores

Anime fans in the TV industry are just going to be horrible Toonami weeaboos.

Certainly someone in Sup Forums can get to the higher ups, right?

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

You're giving the people here too much credit.

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

the direction is usually very good-- sometimes excellent.

the scripts? you've got to be fucking kidding me.

Japanese culture in general is plagued with bad writing-- poor pacing, hackneyed situations, obvious sentiment and dull dialog.

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

I've enjoyed a few dozen anime this year. Looking over the list he mentioned, I can't imagine enjoying even five of those forty shows.

Ryder Rogers
Ryder Rogers

American shows have barely anything that isn't an episodic cartoon comedy or adult sitcom.

There are a lot of anime with bad or mediocre writing, but there's also a lot of live action stuff with bad or mediocre writing. Except it's ok when live action does it, somehow.

Ayden Brown
Ayden Brown

Because burgerland simply can't into cartoons.
Compare suparobo stuffs in nipland and murica, technically a product marketed for kids.

The first actually shaped millions of asian young adult mindsets who grew up with them, eg. Mazinger, Getter, Raideen, etc. and its essence is still preserved in our times with Gurren Lagann, Aquarion, and the likes.

The second is garbage at best and its audience is too retarded to care about some robot shit.

Noah Barnes
Noah Barnes

Shitloads of forgettable live-action shows with that kind of writing, though, and unlike anime, they can get canceled without any sort of actual ending.

Liam Sanders
Liam Sanders

Japanese culture in general is plagued with bad writing
Please. Their actual literature compares perfectly fine to the rest. I wish Sup Forums would shut the fuck up with these constant half-assed attempts at cultural analysis of Japan and/or psychoanalysis of anime/manga consumers that seem to be all the rage nowadays.

Dominic Clark
Dominic Clark

Japanese culture in general is plagued with bad writing-- poor pacing, hackneyed situations, obvious sentiment and dull dialog.
Thank you for providing your own tipping image, it saved me the trouble.

Elijah Myers
Elijah Myers

they just want to be hip and updated with the young audiences with 8 year old memes.

That is the most Poochy thing they did

Connor Moore
Connor Moore

created for a western audience with a strong emphasis on east asian 'exotic' culture, along with a strong sense of nostalgia from watching it as a gradeschooler.

Also the kids act like kids, unlike a lot of anime.

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

Also the kids act like kids, unlike a lot of anime.
Well, I guess that's true with Sokka and Aang. Not sure about the others though, especially Azula.

Brandon Adams
Brandon Adams

I don't think they ever mentioned Azula once in the the Korra series. She's still an emotional wreck in the comics, which I pray that you never accidentally come across.

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

taken serious
I think he means by those who finance / produce / create them.

Nicholas Hill
Nicholas Hill

/co/thread/82531692#p82531692

had a similar thread on /co/, except that thread had a lot more shitflinging and less civil discussion.

Is it just easier to rile up certain /co/ users?

Thomas Green
Thomas Green

I don't think I could deal with the original tone

How do you manage to leave your house?

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

I doubt it. It's pretty easy to rile up Sup Forums with topics like this, too, it just hasn't happened this time.

Landon Sanders
Landon Sanders

Animation is the biggest joke of them all. Even video games as getting better public recognition and approaching better and deeper themes than animation and it's been only around for a few decades.

Jaxson Brown
Jaxson Brown

The tree surfing was dumb as shit.

t. 11 year old me

Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

You're on Sup Forums - he probably doesn't.

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

Is animation dead yet?
All attempts by the world at non comedic adult animation have been met with box office bombs.
The last success was Waltz with Bashir which got 10 million for its 2 million budget but the directors next project didn't even break 1million.
With Avatar Legend of korra flopping hard it seems like studios would be even further discouraged.

Owen Collins
Owen Collins

No one mentioned:
Gargoyles

William Russell
William Russell

Most of the direction and scripts are shit tier compared to Pixar and dreamworks though.
I mean Pixar and Dreamworks employ award winning cinematographers like Roger Deakins to do their camera work, a bunch of Japs working with less than a million dollars can't compare to a company using rendering technology worth billions.

Justin Richardson
Justin Richardson

Western studios are never going to find a market for adult animation in the box office, and network TV is just as unlikely unless you specifically target "alternative" blocks like Adult Swim, but even then it's iffy because nielson ratings are shit.

The only way to make it work is through online streaming services like Netflix/Crunchyroll/Youtube. That's where you'll find the market for that sort of thing, because anybody older than 35-40 most likely isn't going to be too interested and everybody younger spends all their time on the internet. Most of the fellow 20somethings I know don't subscribe to cable and only go to theaters for the blockbusters.

Hudson Moore
Hudson Moore

2/8

Wyatt Robinson
Wyatt Robinson

and this is why japan has a suicide problem

Hunter Parker
Hunter Parker

Stop over analyzing it.

1. The interest/audience isn't there
2. As a result, there are less aspirating artists/talent pool.

The west has "conventions," with the creative output of a strip mall. With the only creative output being from giant comic mill corporations and maybe a few independent artists.

Japan has Comiket, where literally the vast majority are independent artists who are so goddamn numerous that booths are given away via a lottery system.

It also helps that Comiket is given an incredible amount of free pass with intellectual property at an unheard of level compared to the west. Not only that, you can buy these in retail stores like toranoana, melon books, or animate if you so choose without the harassment from original IP holders. That leads to prominent and long time artist circles who eventually become incredibly skilled, these are often the people that the manga/anime industry hire.

Nathan Butler
Nathan Butler

Here's the thing, I don't really like western cartoons since I was indoctrinated into the weeb life at a very young age, but even I can tell you that most of these are really fucking pleb tier. Like, GENERIC FUCKING PLEB tier.

Here's what's actually worth watching from your list:

Tom and Jerry
Old Looney Toons
The Maxx,
Samurai Jack
Hey, Arnold!
old PPG
Dexter's Lab

Here's what's actually worth watching if you want to go slightly above pleb tier:

For my personal recommendations, I'd say anything by the CN Trio (McCracken, Faust, and Tartakovsky)
+The old, old Disney animation shorts actually made by Walt Disney and co.
+The animated Disney movie classics up until they basically said fuck it in 2005
+MTV's Daria
+MTV's Downtown
+MTV's Aeon Flux
+Star Wars Clone Wars (Tartakovsky's work deserves a special mention here)
+Watership Down
+The Plague Dogs
+Anomalisa
+Rugrats
+Duckman
+The Secret of Kells
+Song of the Sea
+Coraline

One big thing that you need to understand is that there's a whole subculture of western animation and comics outside of North America.

It's the fucking French.

You just gotta learn french because those baguette faggots will never translate their shit internationally. Some of it is actually quite good.

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

WTF happened?
West 1939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xDcG79l7Rg
Japan 1963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1BJvPa_X8g

Mason Walker
Mason Walker

Luckily it seems like streaming is the future.
Netflix original anime
Hulu and Amazon bidding over streaming rights for anime
western companies directly funding studios for original content
Truly the future we live in

Jayden White
Jayden White

luckily
This sounds terrible for anime.

Thomas Foster
Thomas Foster

Its da future baybe

Jackson King
Jackson King

(Real Drive) (Kaiba)
(Allison & Lillia) (Daughter of Twenty Faces)

Four series from spring '08

Jordan Baker
Jordan Baker

/co/ is very self conscious that their medium is shit compared to nip Anime. If course they'd be angrier and lash out

Juan Anderson
Juan Anderson

It really depends. Netflix has already announced that they're giving their original anime projects the same sort of high budgets they give their live action stuff.

With that kind of dosh, the traditionally incredible thrifty Japanese studios could do some really amazing things, and they could even animate everything right the first time instead of doing it cheaply and praying that merch sales will finance fixes in the BD versions.

We might be seeing something of a return of the heyday of high-budget OVAs.

Chase Bell
Chase Bell

Superman
These were apparently shorts, and apparently made use of rotoscoping. Still, they look very good and have a much more cinematic quality to them than other American animation. Interesting that they made this kind of stuff and then just forgot about it.

You deduced that just from the schedule of one manga artist?

I just don't want Western companies having any sort of creative input.

Adam Perry
Adam Perry

It really depends. Netflix has already announced that they're giving their original anime projects the same sort of high budgets they give their live action stuff.
Source on that?

Jason Wood
Jason Wood

They are the fuckers with the money and Netflix is pretty chill with original content as shown with Narcos.
It really falls down to the studio

Matthew Gray
Matthew Gray

Netflix funding
One foreseeable problem with this is that if they go for the netflix money, it's highly probably that the show will be an anime original. Which isn't a bad thing in itself, but it means it's a gamble. It can either be an incredibly well animated piece of shit or a gift from the gods that Sup Forums will masturbate over for generations.

Except the possibility of the former is way too high for comfort, and netflix may withdraw further funding if it flops too hard one too many times.

The best way would be to start off with getting the rights to an extremely popular not-yet-animated franchise. (M-MuvLuv Trillogy...?) But I'm not really sure how feasible that is.

Noah Jones
Noah Jones

And maybe it will give them the leeway to do some things outside of the stagnant bullshit most studios produce 95% of the time.

Hudson Ramirez
Hudson Ramirez

Fuck you, Batman Beyond was great

I know you sick motherfuckers fapped to Inque. I bet you you'd cum at her voice, even now.

Nathaniel Thomas
Nathaniel Thomas

Maybe Netflix can fund a few new seasons of that.

Liam Phillips
Liam Phillips

The market will always center on stagnancy, user. That's how this shit works.

Carson White
Carson White

want quality content
wants another muv luv adaptation

Logan Flores
Logan Flores

Not a market analyst or anything, but I also foresee them going down the original anime run, something probably aimed at westerners.

From the googling that I've done, Production I.G has already gone down that route with Perfect Bones by basically dedicating as many staff members with successful western hits under their belts as possible to that project.

Netflix funded Ajin by the way.

Luke Green
Luke Green

I don't disagree. I'm just saying you need to be careful what you toss your money at, and as far as I know the western producers aren't really prepared to deal with anime. If they fuck up, they'll be afraid to invest in making more.

Remember Heroman or Ultimo? Neither do most non-weeabs. Netflix needs to fund a AoT, OPM, Dragonbleapeace, not some experimental animation porn that only a small handful of turbonerds will care about. They can branch out after that, but they need to see returns on their investment first.

No, I don't want a shoestring budget fuckup like Tortilla Chips or a total rape of the original story like with Schwarzesmarken, I want a high budget real adaptation. (I realize it's practically impossible in reality, though)

Jordan Reed
Jordan Reed

Can you like Cartoons and anime?

Camden Richardson
Camden Richardson

I grew up watching Animaniacs and Mahoujin guruguru side by side, user. I love them both.

I just hate the modern flash/3D bullshit "le raunchy comedy" or "cutesy childrens cartoon :D" that the west churns out nowadays.

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

They didn't fund Ajin, they just did the same shit they did with NNT where they slapped their "Netflix Original" label on it after acquiring the streaming rights.

Jaxson Campbell
Jaxson Campbell

SU is good, if you're OK with lesbian undertones.

Jeremiah Torres
Jeremiah Torres

the stagnant bullshit most studios produce 95% of the time
Except this is not actually true. But you wouldn't know that since you don't watch anime.

Did they really think Sakurako-san could be successful in the West?

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

Well yeah most of the DCAU is good stuff.

James Morales
James Morales

So what happens if Netflix pours money into Shaft?

Does everything move more, or do the powerpoint slides get more detailed?

Matthew Powell
Matthew Powell

As a kid I religiously got up on saturday mornings for bugs bunny, captain planet, darkwing duck, etc. and even after I started watching anime in my teenage years I still enjoyed watching the 00s Justice League, Batman Beyond, and old WB Superman/Batman reruns.

There's nothing wrong with liking both, but as the years have dragged on there's been increasingly less western animation that immediately jumps out as appealing to me. At the very least, the type of cartoons I used to enjoy don't really exist any more. Maybe I should give newer western shows a chance, I dunno, but the floppy thick-line art style that's been popular in the last decade is an instant turnoff to me.

Anthony Price
Anthony Price

Comparing anime and cartoons literally made for retarded american kids.

Evan Walker
Evan Walker

Less clipping and animation errors like cgi cars passing through each other(wtf)
The limited movement is stylistic

Jace Moore
Jace Moore

Because they are serious business in Japan. Animation in the west, especially the US is still seen to be for kids or at the very least family friendly.

Daniel Anderson
Daniel Anderson

comparing something for children to something for man children

Blake Cook
Blake Cook

It's more serious business in the west. It's just less competition. Companies don't normally spend hundreds of millions of dollars for super computers that can render well animated wood.

Michael Barnes
Michael Barnes

Stuff like Zootopia is serious business production and box-office wise, but that's about it.

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

I'm not really sure how to put it properly, but Japans animation industry feels more organic, whereas the American animation industry seems more calculated and focused on return on investment.

Don't get me wrong, Japan panders to otaku. But it feels different. Like the american model calculates exactly what plot element/design/animal will sell to the greatest amount of people for the greatest amount of ad revenue/ticket price.

Japan feels like the artist has more creative control and the producer/editor then chooses which one to invest in. Of course, there are always exceptions (like YYH getting fucked up by jump editors). But it feels like much less in comparison.

Hunter Parker
Hunter Parker

Japan panders to otaku
People keep saying this but nobody can ever prove it.

David Cook
David Cook

Why is /co/ a bunch of pussies? I've never seen so many people getting wound up for a little dirty joke.

Levi Ward
Levi Ward

All those responses

Their stupidity frightens me.

Dylan Brooks
Dylan Brooks

Japan feels like the artist has more creative control and the producer/editor then chooses which one to invest in.
Are you honto ni? I feel exact opposite.
Animation industry simply not exist in the west.

Jayden Perry
Jayden Perry

There is indeed a mass collection of genres and unique premises in manga.

However, I'm sure we can all name many many harem school battle comedy VR gaming anime that have sprung up every year.

These keep getting made because they tend to sell, right? Or, at least it's a better gamble to adapt from an existing IP than an original story.

Jordan Gutierrez
Jordan Gutierrez

Animation industry simply not exist in the west.
I mean, that is patently untrue. It's certainly smaller but it definitely exists and some would argue it's currently going through a renaissance.

Owen Sullivan
Owen Sullivan

Of course, so long as you are able to understand and respect the different cultural expectations of the medium.

James Evans
James Evans

As someone who works in the industry, the issue isn't lack of talent, the issue is no one is hiring. Major TV shows aren't looking for high talent anymore, they want someone who can work the tween function in Flash.

Things like Avatar are the exception these days. Almost all animators with any skill have either switched to 2d video games, (see any of LabZero's stuff and staff), moved overseas (BahiJD as the most prominent example) or onto other career paths entirely.

The only people who are in 2d animation are tumblr artists that have never done a figure study in their life because that's what the industry wants.

Wyatt Harris
Wyatt Harris

Not him, but I've gotten the impression that production committees and television networks have minimal involvement in anime production. I mean, there isn't that "executive meddling" that's apparently common on American television. The animators are left to their own devices. And in most cases the story they're working with is a manga or light novel made by one person.

Wyatt Cook
Wyatt Cook

Why do modern cartoons make every character a bumbling idiot like Teen Titans and PPF remakes?

Benjamin Thomas
Benjamin Thomas

hes shit, only good as a voice actor sort of

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

new ppg is sjw to the extreme. First episodes about how women are stronger than men, then there's the bubbles programming episode where shes some super hacker. quote "if you nurture your talent for programming it could grow into something something".

also its ridden with animation errors in every episode.

Kayden Martinez
Kayden Martinez

renaissance
having all your shows look simplistic and the same is barely anything but terrible

Ryder Robinson
Ryder Robinson

They have to push DVD/BDs, manga and merchandise to survive. Most notably they are created by entities separate from the broadcasters.

American cartoons are solely living on ad revenue. As opposed to Japan, the cartoons are fully owned by the broadcasting network.

While the gook has to earn his rice every day, the nigga gets fed by the man.

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

You have to admit. They're fun to laugh at.

Charles James
Charles James

Arigato gozaimasu ^_^

Owen Torres
Owen Torres

I fucking wish.

It was a nice time to be alive, I'll admit.

Only time I've popped a boner at a fat black woman, I think.

Luke Carter
Luke Carter

Don't remind me, man
A lot of other painful memories are returning now

Adam Ross
Adam Ross

You gotta watch the old ones
Literally /v/ mentality. Are you going to rewatch Cowboy Bebop for the 13th time too?

Zachary Garcia
Zachary Garcia

no mention of Over The Garden Wall

David Carter
David Carter

Regardless of what you're writing, being a good writer requires you to be fairly charismatic and intelligent. In the west, a mixture of politics and nepotism are currently placing the worst kinds of pseudo intellectuals into many of our creative writing jobs.

Is it really any wonder that a bunch of witless, completely unlikable cunts who are out of touch with reality pump out trash?

Nathan Walker
Nathan Walker

i enjoyed watching this, though they are animated by them Koreans

Liam Jones
Liam Jones

This. Western cartoon's demographic is Children. In case of Disney/Dreamwork's movies, they're made for Everyone. Modern anime's demographic is young adults who have money to buy BD.

Noah Cruz
Noah Cruz

It all depends on what you're looking for.

Cartoons are generally made for young audiences here, but the more successful ones, and really the good ones, in that category, have a lot of overlap appeal like old Spongebob and, yes, Adventure Time. I've heard that Steven Universe show might be good, but it seems even more SJW-oriented than Adventure Time, which is already pushing it at this point.

But here's the thing: there just isn't the equivalent of what anime does in western markets because what anime started out as was adaptations of manga--there are probably exceptions, but not many, and the comic market in NA is almost exclusively superhero stuff, and elsewhere its, you know, newspaper comics, of which only the ones appealing to children were every made into cartoons---like, there was never a Doonsbery comic, and strips like Baby Blues that did get series couldn't compete against sitcoms that were probably a lot cheaper to produce, in part because key animators here aren't willing to work for peanuts (note: this is probably the answer to your question, Japanese animation is cheaper to crank out because the characters designers, key animators and everyone not in Korea, are all suckers who work for less than they should).

Of course, there's shows like Family Guy or The Simpsons, but their animation and drawing style isn't really different from that of children's cartoons, and while the Simpons once had real stories and characters with feeling and depth, now its just a gag reel.

Basically, the reason why there is nothing like a Hibike Euphoneum over here is because here, if you wanted to tell this story, you'd do it as a live action show and it's tone would be different because the cinematography would be a lot different, it would be less playful, etc. And then there are great shows like Gatchaman Crowds or Penguindrum that would be impossible to do as live action, but has a chance to exist because anime is already there as a medium.

Hudson Jackson
Hudson Jackson

Anime has lower wages, but it's also much more faster and efficient. American animation also is very wasteful with its money, with The Simpsons paying a single voice actor $300,000 per episode. Episodes usually spend 9 months in production, which is ridiculous.

Ethan Reed
Ethan Reed

reminder of what could have been with SM
reminder of what we got instead

Even now, the pain is still fresh.

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

The world needs more shows like Super Jail

Juan Rivera
Juan Rivera

I like American dad. Unlike Family guy they usually stick to the same plot the entire episode and don't throw in random twists every 2 minutes so nothing ever makes sense. The jokes are also a lot more character jokes and plot related than constant fucking throwbacks out of nowhere.

Easton Anderson
Easton Anderson

It's a form of social media used by the elderly, it's grown vastly in popularity ever since Obama told us his nana uses it regularly

Robert Sullivan
Robert Sullivan

Yeah. They literally said they didn't watch the ones they didn't feel like watching

Camden Taylor
Camden Taylor

Cartoon's target audience is children, which isn't the case for (most) anime.
Unlike popular belief, most of the anime is actually late night anime, and very few, like PreCure or other shows air on sunday morning.
inb4 anime isn't targeted for children, but for manchildren

Aaron Foster
Aaron Foster

Tell me Sup Forums - why is it so hard for ML to ever get a decent budget show going? And with a good director?

TE did okay in that regard, but even that wasn't enough.

Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

Original Powerpuff girls was fantastic.

Kevin Gomez
Kevin Gomez

When it comes to TV shows for kids there's a lack of story in general, it's all just episodic shit. Even more so with animation. I'm surprised Avatar didn't start a trend in west.

Dylan Murphy
Dylan Murphy

The comic artist fear the samurai

Easton Howard
Easton Howard

It doesn't, but it has a spectacular animation budget and I can't say I've seen an anime with funnier jokes.

Thomas Flores
Thomas Flores

twin function in flash

That triggers me to so much

And I'm not even a animator but a mathematician

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

Implying this isn't true anyway

Anthony Murphy
Anthony Murphy

It's popular despite the fact it sucks is what I understood.
We can't blame him for saying something that obvious, we can't help that people watching US TV show are a little simple.

Cameron Long
Cameron Long

I'm not expecting American studios to produce anything like Hibike! It's just that when I put Luluco next to Adventure time, Luluco proved to me to be the better show, depsite the fact that they're both nonsensical comedies, and have about the same run time.

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

Closest thing that comes to mind is the original Avatar series, it was on an entirely different level for a kids' show, and even adults could watch it and learn something.

Bentley Thomas
Bentley Thomas

DAYOOOOOON

Ian Reyes
Ian Reyes

I mean they are for the most part. Pixar studios consistently creates animated movies that become a part of mainstream media. Of course their level of animation is nothing close to what anime is.

Camden Morgan
Camden Morgan

Rocko's Modern Life
Courage the cowardly dog
Tom and Jerry
Loony Toons
Scooby doo
PPG
Hey Arnold!
Samurai Jack
Spongebob
Johnny Bravo
Wild Thonberries
Rugrats
Ed,Edd & Eddy
Dexter's Lab

How shit is my taste?

Leo Williams
Leo Williams

Original PPG is now seen as problematic
The girls now twerk and meme

Gavin Miller
Gavin Miller

childhood/10
I'm sure you will love the reboots.

Sebastian Diaz
Sebastian Diaz

I don't know how people can stand the lousy production values and character design of American shows.

Jackson Ward
Jackson Ward

Kids won't notice

Jayden Russell
Jayden Russell

I've seen people really say that in defense of American shows.

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/20710/
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/22730/

Ian Flores
Ian Flores

Damn

Camden Green
Camden Green

I HATE this style almost all characters in American cartoons get drawn now.

Colton Edwards
Colton Edwards

Japan just produces a ton more stuff, which means it produces a lot more good stuff because of Sturgeon's Law.

And Japan produces more stuff because Western workers are overpaid crybabies.

Justin Miller
Justin Miller

Why are the horses' face so adorable?
I remembered them being abominable horse faces, not this anime style cuteness.
fuck you for making me want to watch it

Anthony Gomez
Anthony Gomez

It's only MacFarlane garbage in the beginning. It gets exponentially better towards the more recent seasons. I don't know about the TBS seasons but the last Fox ones were amazing.

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

She actually said it. She actually just fucking said it, holy fucking shit.

Lincoln Bell
Lincoln Bell

Me. Archer is fucking golden.

Charles Ross
Charles Ross

What's Steven Universe? It's produced by a SJW.

Jose Myers
Jose Myers

Playing to /a/'s fetishes =/= good

Most anime are objectively shit and treated as such in Japan.

Wyatt Bell
Wyatt Bell

came to post this.

Nolan Richardson
Nolan Richardson

absolutely zero pride in their work.

Both of these are absolutely disgusting.

Christopher Morales
Christopher Morales

Most anime are objectively shit and treated as such in Japan.
/co/ mad as hell, as usual.

Benjamin Bennett
Benjamin Bennett

Implying /co/

No, I'm just honest about what I watch.

Gabriel Perez
Gabriel Perez

Western novels would rather go for live action movie or tv show than consider a cartoon adaptation.

Anthony Jackson
Anthony Jackson

Let me guess, you only watch manly anime right?

Adam Collins
Adam Collins

American cartoons are solely living on ad revenue. As opposed to Japan, the cartoons are fully owned by the broadcasting network.

Imagine if American cartoons weren't reliant on ad revenue and more similar to the Japanese model

Julian Richardson
Julian Richardson

Light novels arent even real novels

Samuel Hall
Samuel Hall

nobody can ever prove it
It actually has been proved, several times, you just need to see how the japanese otaku culture is and you'll realize it's true, unless you're just a contrarian kid that just wants to be against what he thinks most people think.

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

That's wrong though. They are as much a novel as the next.

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

I'm just a casual and stereotypically Western viewer
Fixed.

It actually has been proved, several times
How?

Ethan Miller
Ethan Miller

A comparable genre in the west to LN in Japan are the books labeled Young Adult, and even those all seek a movie or live action TV deal and hardly if ever are turned into a TV cartoon series.

Leo Martin
Leo Martin

Manga authors are NOT as revered as doctors and teacher what the hell Sup Forums. Most japs are lucky to even meet or see a mangaka in their lifetime

Even then, sensei is only applied to the most succesful manga authors like togashi and takashi

Grayson Phillips
Grayson Phillips

this is horrible

James Smith
James Smith

Why does Sup Forums hate South Park? I find it funny unlike Family Guy.

Christian Sullivan
Christian Sullivan

fun is pleb emotion. There is literally nothing good in being fun.

Grayson Reyes
Grayson Reyes

Because social justice warriors

Landon Ramirez
Landon Ramirez

Dead baby humor

South park is too political for them

Brayden Johnson
Brayden Johnson

Rick and Morty.

Jayden Young
Jayden Young

nice baiting

Eli Reyes
Eli Reyes

Because voice actors want to be paid more.

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

How?
Here? Through words, links to some studies and I think a couple of documentaries, but I'm not sure about the last one.

Outside of Sup Forums? Preety much the same, but with less shitposting

Want to see how? Make a research, it's not that hard.

Chase Robinson
Chase Robinson

I love the Sup Forums mentality that if something is mainstream it can't be good. You call people Tumblr faggots yet here you prove for me that you try to be a special snowflake by being contrarian trash.
Literally kill yourself.

Brandon Rogers
Brandon Rogers

lol just research it
So as usual, there's no evidence.

Evan Russell
Evan Russell

is this considered western?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCY7WeGMd8M

Ethan Perez
Ethan Perez

They should just remake Watership Down.

James Long
James Long

I'm too stupid too make a research
That's ok, someday you'll stop being a lazy bastard.

Henry Parker
Henry Parker

there's no evidence
Prove it.

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

The onus is on you to provide evidence.

People have claimed over and over again that there's "pandering" going on in anime, and every single time they fail to prove it. It's a religious belief at this point.

The burden of proof is not on me.

Connor Campbell
Connor Campbell

I'm surprise that no one remembered this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc

Brayden Flores
Brayden Flores

You're a moron anything on TV is made for entertainment and when people find something fun that means its entertaining which is the purpose of anything on TV

Henry Roberts
Henry Roberts

Stop while you're behind.

James Adams
James Adams

What happened to Sup Forums where threads like this can persist with off-topic discussion for a day? This thread is nothing more than an excuse for crossboarders to discuss their vile habits openly.

Blake Butler
Blake Butler

I'm not the one that needs to prove it XD
Typical.

Samuel Phillips
Samuel Phillips

The old Sup Forums died when lolis are outlawed.

Nolan Lopez
Nolan Lopez

It's typical because it's how things work. When you make a claim it's up to you to prove it.

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

No, you made a claim, now prove it, prove that there's no evidence.

Eli Brooks
Eli Brooks

can't make a simple search
compares anything to religion
Don't do that kid.

Jeremiah Wright
Jeremiah Wright

That's not how it works.

It's up to you to prove that pandering exists. Period.

Asher Nelson
Asher Nelson

too dumb differentiating violence and sexualizing. Japan has the moe and lolicon industry and women want the UN to shut them down; meanwhile we have toddlers to young teens in beauty pageants getting botox and chemicals injected into them. How is that not sexual abuse? Japan does fiction that doesn't harm anybody. Ameruca pollutes and damages brain cells by all this femenism crap. TLC is a joke and I'm suck of shows featuring the lives of a family about their kids.

Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

average humor and characters, low-tier animation, music is pleasant; I kinda enjoyed the poodle's attempt to find some kind of catharsis or "lesson" to she and her friend's shenanigans but constantly failing to do so, but it's been done before.

me rn more or less

Andrew Morris
Andrew Morris

American animation falls into two categories: comedy (which itself falls into adult and children) and superhero animation. When those are your only two fucking choices, it's no wonder American animation is so limited.

Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

can't make a simple search
I don't have to search for anything.

compares anything to religion
It's a completely valid comparison.

Don't do that kid.
I'm in my thirties.

Luke Cox
Luke Cox

*daytime american animation

Its the same in japan

Matthew Turner
Matthew Turner

but wait there's more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58wihIiyR4&t=1m0s

Joshua Russell
Joshua Russell

n-no u
Why? I'm not

You were the one that stated that pandering doesn't exist and that there's no proof of it, now you have to provide evidence of that, I think an intelligent individual that claims to be in his thirties, like you do on ,
should know that already.

Mason Sullivan
Mason Sullivan

Don't forget horror and indie titles. You have sponge mcfaggotry channel, sitcoms targeted for young girls while the next door neighbor hosts shows on life support,and another filled with SJWs and noodle arms.

Jack Wright
Jack Wright

I don't have to search for anything.
You don't want to search for it, there's a difference

It's a completely valid comparison.

Explain how

I'm in my thirties
Sure thing kiddo

Noah Wright
Noah Wright

Thread is pretty invalid from the beginning when you comparing late night anime with daytime cartoons

Funny how the kimoota always target america and ignore europe

Tyler Jackson
Tyler Jackson

No, it isn't the same as Japan. And what late night animation equivalent to anime is there in America?

People claim that it exists but nobody can provide evidence.

Do you have evidence or not?

You don't want to search for it, there's a difference
If you claim that pandering exists you must prove it.

Explain how
There is no evidence that pandering exists, yet people widely believe it does and refuse to change their belief even when it's demonstrated that it's completely unsupported by evidence.

Sure thing kiddo
Prove that I'm a child.

Cooper Morales
Cooper Morales

I want to fuck that rabbit. Shit show though.

Jaxson Torres
Jaxson Torres

And what late night animation equivalent to anime is there in America?
Adult swim and possibly south park/sethmcfarlane

Jose Cook
Jose Cook

Would you like to talk about how terrible Israel is? I like talking about how terrible Israel is. Israel is pretty fucking terrible.

Hunter Sullivan
Hunter Sullivan

I would like to spout nonsense again, but let me check the archives.

Gabriel Perez
Gabriel Perez

muh crossboarder boogeyman

Get fked nerd

Ayden Myers
Ayden Myers

South Park is an adult comedy show. And what has MacFarlane done?

Julian Roberts
Julian Roberts

do you have a evidence or not
You're claming that it doesn't exists and yet you don't provide any evidence, do you have evidence that it doesn't exist or not?

James Martinez
James Martinez

Where did it all go wrong for animation in the west? What was the expact point where it got that stigma?

Cooper Powell
Cooper Powell

Nobody has provided any evidence, therefore I am saying it doesn't exist. If you are saying it does exist then why don't you post it?

Lincoln Lewis
Lincoln Lewis

Nothing

Cartoons have always been for children

Mason Lee
Mason Lee

sailor moon exists and that's full of lgbt stuff.

Jaxon Robinson
Jaxon Robinson

So what, south park is still animated

Michael Barnes
Michael Barnes

Not all cartoons are bad just a lot of them, probably most of them.

The Venture Bros is pretty good. Metalocalypse is/was good(haven't watched in a few years though), Archer is decent. South Park is decent.

As far as children's shows, Gravity Falls isn't bad. I kinda lost interest with it after like 6 episodes but it was enjoyable at the time.

Chase Perry
Chase Perry

full of lgbt stuff
No

Asher Cruz
Asher Cruz

Did anyone say it isn't animated?

Carson Jackson
Carson Jackson

Thats a nice falacy you have there, but sadly for you, falacies aren't evidence and therefore, you have no proof and no point.

Jaxson Phillips
Jaxson Phillips

Anime has proper romance and other genres. Not everything is a comedy or slapstick.

Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

If you claim that pandering exists you must prove it.
Same goes to you, if you claim that pandering doesn't exist, you must prove it

There is no evidence that pandering exists, yet people widely believe it does and refuse to change their belief even when it's demonstrated that it's completely unsupported by evidence.

Except there is evidence of pandering

Prove that I'm a child
By the way you're using basic filosofy, edgy comments about religion and that you're trying to be a contrarian, you're either 14 or you're retarded.

Henry Brown
Henry Brown

Cartoons are for children while anime for manchildren.

Aiden Collins
Aiden Collins

Eternal blueballing isnt romance

Camden Edwards
Camden Edwards

Most of the cast are bisexual, or lesbians how is that not lgbt.
The only thing it has going for it, over steven universe or something is that the character's sexualities don't take over their entire character

Lincoln Adams
Lincoln Adams

It isn't a fallacy, it's simply how things work.

So I take it that you have no evidence to support your claim?

The burden of proof is on you.

Except there is evidence of pandering
Then post it.

You people sure have spent an awful lot of time bullshitting and evading instead of posting any evidence.

By the way you're using basic filosofy, edgy comments about religion and that you're trying to be a contrarian, you're either 14 or you're retarded.
What basic philosophy? What edgy comments? What contrarianism?

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

The sailor scouts arent lgbt until start scissoring in canon

Benjamin Perry
Benjamin Perry

SO question for those here familiar with both: What's the major differences between Jap and Western cartoons outside of the animation? I can look at it and go, "yeah that looks terrible," but then I don't want to watch it to learn how it's different in terms of societal values or whatever because it looks terrible. I'm still curious about it though. Are they even all that different?

Cameron Nelson
Cameron Nelson

It is a fallacy, do you know what fallacy means?

Nathaniel Hernandez
Nathaniel Hernandez

Except there is evidence of pandering
I'm not gonna make the search for you kid.

What basic philosophy? What edgy comments? What contrarianism?

Read your posts again.

Nicholas Ross
Nicholas Ross

Your mom was a fallacy.

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

DC really should just stick with their cartoons

Christopher Robinson
Christopher Robinson

It isn't.

Do you have proof or not?

I'm not gonna make the search for you kid.
Then you are saying the evidence doesn't exist.

And I'm not a kid. And you can't prove otherwise.

Read your posts again.
So you can't explain what you're talking about.

It's always the same shit with you pandering cultists.

Dominic Cruz
Dominic Cruz

Most japanese animation is made in masse and is targeted to jobless young adults/adults

Western animation is fewer and is to be consumed by kids preteens

The difference is mainly how they are marketed/invested on. The quality of animation/writing/script is purely subjective

Gavin Rogers
Gavin Rogers

Because cartoons are braindead and expect children to be, while anime are often inspirational/psychological without trying to be cynical. Even the most basic shounen anime like Naruto and One Piece have plotlines and expect the viewer to follow character motives and creeds, and the pure slice of life shows like Non-non biyori and Sketchbook which seem to follow no structure other than daily life set an enviornment to make the observer think, if about nothing else about how there's so much beauty in the little things.

Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

it can get a little preachy with the meta-analysis imo, but it feels like an actual cartoon even then, doesn't take itself too seriously

Kevin Anderson
Kevin Anderson

targeted to jobless young adults/adults
This is a meme.

The quality of animation/writing/script is purely subjective
Anime has vastly superior production values, filmmaking and writing and massively more variety.

Jaxon Gomez
Jaxon Gomez

This post is embarassing

Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor

It is, why would you say it isn't? please explain.

Landon Rodriguez
Landon Rodriguez

And about the edginess, you're using basic philosophy, and you're making use of a basic ignorance falacy, again, if you don't know what that is, you can make a search, taking of course, that you know how to use a search engine.

About the contrarian part, you clearly don't want to know if what people is saying it's true or not, you just want to say you're against what they claim, if you would want to know you would've made a little research, but you didn't, just like a typical contrarian kid.

Jonathan Barnes
Jonathan Barnes

As far as art style anime characters tend to be more detailed but they don't move around whole lot outside of facial expressions and gestures and the occasional walking/running. Western animation has low detailed character models but they have more freedom to move around. It's easier to animate a noodle than it is to animate a detailed character.

Anime tends to have an overall plot that the main characters are following. Cartoons will not always have a plot and even shows that have one don't necessarily have to be watched in chronological order.

Samuel Watson
Samuel Watson

Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking more about like how the creators of cartoons in a certain society might inject that societies ideals into the media they create. How this might differ between East and West.

Julian Wright
Julian Wright

Why would you say it is?

Why would there be anything wrong with using basic philosophy? How have I "made use" of a "basic ignorance fallacy"?

you clearly don't want to know if what people is saying it's true or not
I have asked again and again for people to post evidence.

if you would want to know you would've made a little research
It's not my job to do your research for you. If you are claiming that pandering exists then it's up to you to prove it.

just like a typical contrarian kid.
I'm not a kid and you can't prove otherwise.

Grayson Fisher
Grayson Fisher

The answer is short time span. I also blame schools for sexualizing our children and introduced to them drugs. Peer pressure is no joke. Also 16 is the right age fir marriage and to have kids, but school just stopped young girls from having kids early yet you see an uprise of DS and autist babies. And people need to stop changing their genders and safe spaces. I'm sick of cultural enrichment and sjw crap polluting shows in america.

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

Because Avatar had enough episodes to flesh everything out

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

I have asked again and again for people to post evidence.
And yet, you don't want to make your own research, you just want to tell people you're against them

It's not my job to do your research for you
That's what I've been telling you kid.

I'm not a kid and you can't prove otherwise.
It's not my job to prove that you're a kid, although I already did, it's your job to prove that you're not, and you're not doing it.

Aiden Turner
Aiden Turner

Why would you say it is?

Mason Wood
Mason Wood

Yes. This. Thank you.

Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

I don't have to do any research. You are making the claim so you must provide the evidence.

That's what I've been telling you kid.
It IS your job, and I'm not a kid and you can't prove otherwise.

It's not my job to prove that you're a kid
You claimed I am one, so it IS your job to prove I am one. Which you have failed to do.

Sebastian Jackson
Sebastian Jackson

Holy shit i want this show on my hdd now. The memories

Tyler Ortiz
Tyler Ortiz

Courage the Cowardly Dog was fucking amazing!
I remember watching it as a kid, had nightmares for weeks thanks to the CGI ghost-thing episode.

Anthony Phillips
Anthony Phillips

I don't have to do any research
Of course you don't, you just want to be a contrarian, why would a contrarian do any research?

I'm not a kid and you can't prove otherwise
I already did. Now it's your job to try to prove you're not one. After all, if you claim you're not a kid you sure can prove it, right?

Brody James
Brody James

You are claiming that pandering exists, which places the burden of proof on you. You have to prove it exists. I don't have to prove it doesn't exist. I don't have to do any research. That's how things work whether you like it or not.

I already did.
Where? How?

Jacob White
Jacob White

OK. There are actual romance shows though.

Joshua Scott
Joshua Scott

So cute seeing this thread when the japanese public pay more for disney flicks

Wyatt Phillips
Wyatt Phillips

Venture bros

Adrian Russell
Adrian Russell

Spirited Away is the highest grossing movie of all time in Japan.

Connor Morris
Connor Morris

frozen ourgrossed spirited away in japan

Sebastian Ross
Sebastian Ross

Again, if you were actually interested in the subject, and not just trying to be contrarian kid with the last word on the argument, you would have already made your own research to see if it's true or not

Where? How?
I did in and I'm guessing you were just asking to say something like "no you didn't" or "that doesn't prove it", even though it does prove it, because you can't prove you're not a kid.

Jackson Brown
Jackson Brown

Even worse, the thought of child porn is unacceptable, yet we allow women under 20 to whote themselves with makeup and botox for beauty pageants and yes all the way from early childhood because their selfish mother ants to make or win money off them by eating junk and injecting hormones. And yet thet say japan sexualizes children?

Ethan Evans
Ethan Evans

Frozen almost ourgrossed spirited away in japan and its not even the best disney movie

Not counting the endless merchandise

Nathan Sullivan
Nathan Sullivan

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/06/04/frozen-ranks-as-third-biggest-hit-in-japan/

Frozen is also not indicative of how American animated movies normally perform.

Where are you going with this anyway?

The burden of proof is on you. Do you have evidence or not?

I did in and
And then you failed to say anything in response to my counter-arguments. Try again.

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

The burden of proof it's not on me, it's on you, that's how things work

And then you failed to say anything in response to my counter-arguments
what counter argument? the "you can't prove I'm not a kid" phrase you posted? that's not a counter-argument, try again kiddo.

Blake Allen
Blake Allen

And I forgot to add, you're not making anything to disproof that you're just a contrarian.

David Thompson
David Thompson

If you claim that pandering exists, you have to prove that it does. This is how it works. Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

what counter argument?
Really? You're pretending you don't know?

try again kiddo
I'm not a kid and you can't prove otherwise.

Liam Phillips
Liam Phillips

You have to prove that I'm a contrarian.

Sebastian Sanders
Sebastian Sanders

If you claim that pandering deosn't exist, you have to prove that it doesn't. This is how it works. Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

what counter argument?
Really? You're pretending you don't know?

Except I already answered to that post, why are you pretendingI didn't?

I'm not a kid and you can't prove otherwise.
You have to prove that I'm a contrarian.
You have to prove you're not a contrarian nor a kid, I already posted proof that you are, now you're just repeating that you're not, without any backup to your clamings, and you're trying to ignore my ansers, just like a contrarian kid will do, which adds to the list of evidences.

Camden Allen
Camden Allen

anime are often inspirational/psychological without trying to be cynical. Even the most basic shounen anime like Naruto a
Oh please, most anime "philosophy" is juvenile at best and can be summed up in four words

Just because they use fancier words on a dark backdrop doesnt mean its DEEP

Wyatt Stewart
Wyatt Stewart

It's nothing to do with speed and efficiency, its called cutting corners and paying slave wages. The reason it takes American cartoons that long to do is because they have a much higher frame-per-second count and spend much more time correcting animation mistakes. How many "QUALITY" threads are there on /co/? Not many.

But really, your comparing apples to orange, because The Simpsons is a primetime show with iconic characters without whom the show would not be able to go on. Fox made a wise investment paying them.

Anime is not like this, at least not late-night anime. It is a subculture even in Japan, not a mainstream culture. And the only reason it exists is because of the collectivism of Japanese culture that makes it okay to pay Key Animators $9500 a year while working 80 hours a week.

Just look at this incident with Rick and Morty: http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/rick-and-morty-co-creator-justin-roiland-fuck-the-union-103723.html the animators said they were being mistreated and wouldn't take it anymore, and seeing as their skill is something not easily replaced, their value was recognized and they reworked their deal. This would never happen in Japan, because somehow the feeling of accomplishment you get for animating Generic Harem Show S2 is supposed to compensate for you inability to pay your rent.

Jose Collins
Jose Collins

He actually mentioned more current series towards the end, so I'm a bit confused.

Anthony Mitchell
Anthony Mitchell

Should we have a new thread?

Kayden Murphy
Kayden Murphy

If you claim that pandering deosn't exist, you have to prove that it doesn't. This is how it works. Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
You are just acting like a fucking child now.

Except I already answered to that post, why are you pretendingI didn't?
Where did you answer:
Why would there be anything wrong with using basic philosophy? How have I "made use" of a "basic ignorance fallacy"?

You have to prove you're not a contrarian nor a kid
Burden of proof is on you.

I already posted proof that you are
Correction: you TRIED to post proof.

Animation quality is about a lot more than framerate, and the very first thing I said in that post was that anime has lower wages.

Anime production is fast and efficient whether you like it or not.

And the only reason it exists is because of the collectivism of Japanese culture that makes it okay to pay Key Animators $9500 a year while working 80 hours a week.
There are a lot of reasons why it exists. /co/ apologists keep bringing up the low wages as an excuse. "We could be just like anime if we paid animators as little as Japan!" But no, you couldn't. There's a lot more to it to than that, such as America not taking animation seriously at all.

Also, animators don't all get paid the same amount in Japan. It depends on your experience and skill and who's paying you.

Brody Sanders
Brody Sanders

No

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

America not taking animation seriously at all
What is there to take seriously about a childrens product?

Alexander Barnes
Alexander Barnes

They are children's products precisely because they are not taken seriously, though as anime shows children's animation doesn't have to be dumbed down and cheap.

Joshua Ramirez
Joshua Ramirez

Who are you kidding, most anime dont even take animation seriously

Look at toei, look at ever hentai, look at most shows in the season that arent kyoani

Aaron Perez
Aaron Perez

You are just acting like a fucking child now.
That's a great counter-argument, kid. Oh, and by the way, that's sarcasm

the burden of proof is on you
Actually, it's not, it's on you now.

How have I "made use" of a "basic ignorance fallacy"?
Well, I told you to reread your posts, anyone who knows what ignorance fallacy is would know why your posts are a great example of that. Again, if you don't know what ignorance fallacy is, you can make your research.

Correction: you TRIED to post proof.
No, I did posted evidence and proved my point.

Apparently you can't make a counter-argument and you're just trying to have the last word, that's cute, I'll let you have it, you're just gonna repeat yourself anyways.

Christian Gray
Christian Gray

Who are you kidding, most anime dont even take animation seriously
They do.

Look at toei
They take animation seriously.

look at ever hentai
Hentai is porn and has nothing to do with TV anime, movie anime and regular OVAs.

look at most shows in the season that arent kyoani
Unlike you, I have in fact looked at most shows in a season.

You are again acting like a child.

Actually, it's not, it's on you now.
No. There is no reason why it would be.

Well, I told you to reread your posts, anyone who knows what ignorance fallacy is would know why your posts are a great example of that.
So you can't explain where I've used it and what it even is.

No, I did posted evidence and proved my point.
Stop lying.

Apparently you can't make a counter-argument
Projection.

you're just trying to have the last word
I will never understand why so many people try to use this random accusation as an "argument." I have no idea what the rationale behind it is.

Ayden Allen
Ayden Allen

hentai doesnt count as anime

This is where youre wrong

Joseph Adams
Joseph Adams

I didn't say it isn't anime and you know it. You are blatantly lying about what I said.

Easton Cruz
Easton Cruz

I wasnt wrong, hentai is still animation made in japan

Then you tell me 'it has nothing to do'

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

I never said it isn't animation made in Japan. Stop lying you piece of shit.

Josiah Wright
Josiah Wright

So what was the point of 'hentai is porn'

I thought it was about attutudes. If nips had such a high standard and value animation so much then why does 80% of japanimation look like shit?

Kevin Ramirez
Kevin Ramirez

Hentai is porn and has hardly anything to do with the rest of the anime industry. Hentai is utterly irrelevant.

If nips had such a high standard and value animation so much then why does 80% of japanimation look like shit?
Anime is the best looking animation in the world.

Joseph Green
Joseph Green

hentai not relevant when a number of A-list producers, animators and VOICE ACTORS had their hands on adult stuff?

Parker Torres
Parker Torres

No, not relevant. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Matthew Ortiz
Matthew Ortiz

You sound pressed

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

You sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. I bet you also think porn is really important to Hollywood.

Ethan Myers
Ethan Myers

Saleshitter pls

Brayden Phillips
Brayden Phillips

What's with this recent bug where it takes an hour for a thread to drop off the last page?

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

The entire film industry of the west is hollywood
You dumbfuck

Ayden Carter
Ayden Carter

I never said anything of the sort, dumbfuck.

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