Why did Miyazaki glorify a war criminal?

Aaron Jones
Aaron Jones

Why did Miyazaki glorify a war criminal?

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yzTgvDdPqw
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2001/12/03/news/story1.html
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930
http://nanking1937.blog.fc2.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw#History.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sdnyAgR4bo
Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

I don't know

why do people glorify Albert Einstein every day?

David Brooks
David Brooks

2:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yzTgvDdPqw

Levi Ross
Levi Ross

literally who

Jacob Collins
Jacob Collins

Miyazaki really wants to see how far he can push his anti-war messages

Levi Martinez
Levi Martinez

Because he would have been far better off making an animated version of Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines, but decided to make some shitty historically inaccurate war drama instead. It was the inaccuracies that made it shit, and not just because they were lies.

Mason White
Mason White

Because japs are war criminals too

Ian Cruz
Ian Cruz

He didn't glorify him. He just told his story.

Dominic White
Dominic White

anti-war messages
when Japan started it
Wee lad.

Connor Edwards
Connor Edwards

Murica embargoes oil'n'shit and says "japan no, bad, stay"
Japan starts trampling on shit anyway to get oil'n'shit
totallyunexepected.jpg

Leo Thomas
Leo Thomas

This stupid film was garbage. Calls it a documentary, but creates a love interest that dies that never existed in real life. The dream sequences were incoherent. Holy crap was this film bad.

Andrew Parker
Andrew Parker

It looks good, but so does every other Ghibli movie.

Really it's fine until he reunites with and falls in love with the girl, then it stops dead and goes to shit. If he had just written it properly and focussed on the war and planes and shit it could have been a lot better.

Hudson Rivera
Hudson Rivera

If he had just written it properly and focussed on the war and planes and shit it could have been a lot better.
Talk about missing the point. The movie flew kek it? over your head.

Liam Thompson
Liam Thompson

I get that the point wasn't about the planes and the war, but the whole romance thing didn't happen in real life and kills the movie.

Luke Richardson
Luke Richardson

It's russia's fault for losing so badly. Japan got a false sense of how capable they were because they smashed Russia's navy and army in 1905.
China was a pushover too.
Because russia was so pissweak, Japan never got to know just how powerful western nations were.

Benjamin Smith
Benjamin Smith

Be honest user, you didn't even know who designed the zero until you watched this film (read: lurked Sup Forums threads about the film) and are now parroting others who took issue with the historical inaccuracies, so you can be contrarian. I am not even necessarily disagreeing with the content of your post, but you know everything I just said is true.

Asher Jenkins
Asher Jenkins

Who called it a documentary?

James Rivera
James Rivera

Not all of it.

I had no idea who designed the zero until reading about the film on Wikipedia, which is also where I read about the historical inaccuracies and the backlash they caused, however on my first viewing I genuinely found the romance to be unbelievably tedious to the point where it stopped the movie dead.

I don't give a shit about the inaccuracies like most people do as long as the movie is good. The problem is that the movie is not good because the romance comes in and fucks up the pacing, bringing the whole thing to a screeching halt.

Jonathan Richardson
Jonathan Richardson

I have got say, it is rare to get a serious proper response around here these days, cheers.

Colton Roberts
Colton Roberts

japan commit no crime

Christopher Jackson
Christopher Jackson

How was he a war criminal? For designing a war plane for his country?

Gabriel Collins
Gabriel Collins

Yes. Don't you know? They guy who invented the screw is Satan himself since it has been used in pretty much anything and everything ever in war = pure evil.

Aiden Flores
Aiden Flores

Liberals were unhappy that a warplane engineer was the film's protagonist and questioned why Miyazaki would make a flattering film about a man who "built killing machines"

Bentley Gutierrez
Bentley Gutierrez

I prefer Nolan's remake.

Jack Ward
Jack Ward

Was he even tried? No, so he's not one.

Logan Collins
Logan Collins

If you actually watch the movie, you'd realize that it is about the travesty of using his work for war.

Andrew Ortiz
Andrew Ortiz

I can't read or use the word "rises" anymore. I just can't do it.

Ryder Bailey
Ryder Bailey

Was he even tried? No, so he's not one.
Hitler confirmed innocent.

Isaiah Ramirez
Isaiah Ramirez

Why do Westerners glorify war criminals? I mean, really.

Sebastian Lee
Sebastian Lee

Pearl Harbor veteran Dick Fiske hugged Japanese Zero pilot Zenji Abe at today's opening of a symposium on the 60th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack. The symposium is held at the Hilton Hawaiian Village.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2001/12/03/news/story1.html

This japanese Zero fighter isn't a war criminal. Why would the guy who designed the Zero be one??

Alexander Flores
Alexander Flores

Ah yeah, especially my little nephew Toshiro, 1 month old now.

Robert Wilson
Robert Wilson

Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.
Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]
Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4]

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

Robert Long
Robert Long

historical inaccuracies
Except there aren't, you won't see any listed anywhere, it's purely propaganda talk.

Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

I didn't remember Miyazaki glorify 'MURICA.

Hunter Cox
Hunter Cox

You don't even know the difference between a dictator in power and an engineer?

Jason Watson
Jason Watson

Yes pearl harbor wash one of the possible places to attack. As was the Phillipines, midway, etc.

Leo Collins
Leo Collins

In the fall of 1937, the Associated Press (AP) distributed this photo as a Japanese soldier using a Chinese national as a guinea pig for bayonet practice. Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking carries the same kinds of photos of Japanese atrocities. However, the soldier wears a turned-down-collared uniform, which no Japanese soldier wore at that time, so the man is not a Japanese soldier. The January 1939 issue of Lowdown, an American magazine, commented about these photos that this was in fact a communist Chinese officer torturing a Chinese prisoner.

And you should know that the book from Iris Chang, the 'Rape of Nanking, only contains fake photographs... of tanks that didn't even exist at the moment, of chinese actors in japanese SUMMER uniforms when all happened in winter, etc.

Nathaniel Parker
Nathaniel Parker

But anon-kun. Your line of logic was: not tried so not guilty. Using that logic, Hitler wasn't guilty.

Even if he were tried, he wouldn't be guilty of anything. Any and all major "endlösungen" were done behind his back.

Also, daily reminder that both Russia and Germany declared war on Poland. Despite this only Germany was declared war upon by France and Britain, despite their alliance with Poland technically requiring them to declare on Russia as well, but hey, that wouldn't do now would it.

John Taylor
John Taylor

Is this anime about Wright brothers?

Blake Carter
Blake Carter

This photo was identified as Nanking Massacre victims on the shore of the Yangtze River, but these bodies were the Chinese soldiers who died in battle, not a massacre. Hashimoto, a Japanese soldier who fought there, testified, "The Chinese soldiers carried their rifles or machine-guns but none of them were in regular military uniform." Sekiguchi also testified, "None of them showed signs of surrender." Thus, the Japanese army had to continue to attack them and many of the Chinese soldiers were shot or drowned in the river. In this photo are the bodies that were washed up on shore.

So it was... like, war? Simply war.

Brayden Sanders
Brayden Sanders

REAL photos of Nanking

http://nanking1937.blog.fc2.com/

Oliver Russell
Oliver Russell

Didn't like this flick and I usually love Ghibli shows.

Hunter Bell
Hunter Bell

Japan smashed Russia in 1905 but got their shit pushed in by Russia back in 1920's (or whenever the Khalkin Gol crap went down).
The wake up was so abrupt Nips never again tried starting shit with Russia.

Nathan Campbell
Nathan Campbell

Building fighter planes isn't a war crime you dummy

Blake Morris
Blake Morris

I can understand what Miyazaki was trying to say, it's like if you read or watch movies about the scientists that made the atomic bomb, they only realized what they made after it was done.

Still, low tier ghibli movie.

Juan Miller
Juan Miller

For me the movie felt unfocused of sorts. The period pieces far off from the plane designing ones and all detached from the romance plot. Like it didn't know what it wanted to be about.

Dunno man, Germans used summer uniforms for winter in Russia so whatever.

Carter Roberts
Carter Roberts

Hashimoto who? Where and why did he testify. Same shit as Nuremberg trials and SS and Wehrmacht generals testifying, can't take it serious unless you know all the details. A simple quote like this is absolute shit.

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

Be involved in project Manhattan
Design something that has the function of a bomb, looks like a bomb, has a kt TNT value never seen before, gets tested like a bomb
"I didn't know what it was for, I swear"
Curiosity killed lamo2cities and threw us into 60 years of doing not very much aside from creating the largest money gobbling bureaucratic mess ever known to man, more commonly known as NASA.

Ya, thx brostein&co.

Caleb Taylor
Caleb Taylor

Germans used summer uniforms for winter in Russia so whatever
They didn't so much "uses" as "got stuck with" the summer uniforms. A winter war was never part of the plant, so neither was enough winter equipment.

Brody Adams
Brody Adams

What I meant was that the scientists and engineers were all caught up with the wartime mentality(kill the enemies, help our boys stay alive, etc.) they didn't really have the perspective of what the bomb would do after the war was over until the bomb already exists.

Cooper Carter
Cooper Carter

"I didn't know what it was for, I swear"
Didn't the main guy said something quite opposite about it?

Think getting their shit slapped up to the country division wasn't part of the plan as well?
Trying to make a joke here. Cheers.

Jackson Fisher
Jackson Fisher

be top scientist
do the math
not being able to see where this is going
Ya, no, they knew very well what they were creating was going to capable of.

Didn't the main guy said something quite opposite about it?
Which is why I am pointing out the absurdity of the other user acting like these scientists didn't know what the A-bomb was going to do to the world. They knew, they might have been sorry afterwards, but they knew.

Andrew Harris
Andrew Harris

I read/heard somewhere that there wasn't really any international agreement on what constituted war crimes in aerial warfare back then. Hence why everybody was okay with area bombing civilians.

Michael Howard
Michael Howard

Funny you say that, the screw was invented to be used to an execution device that would slowly twist a screw into the convict's neck eventually severing the spinal cord.

Jonathan Price
Jonathan Price

It is more that it was vaguely defined, which is why shit like Guernica happened. Which despite revisionist memes and Picasso paintings actually had targets of strategic military importance. Lots of shit about human shield vs innocent civilians and where do you draw the line.

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

Here's a quote from Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!

After the thing went off, there was tremendous excitement at Los Alamos. Everybody had parties, we all ran around. I sat on the end of a jeep and beat drums and so on. But one man, I remember, Bob Wilson, was just sitting there moping.

I said, “What are you moping about?”

He said, “It’s a terrible thing that we made.”

I said, “But you started it. You got us into it.”

You see, what happened to me—what happened to the rest of us—is we started for a good reason, then you’re working very hard to accomplish something and it’s a pleasure, it’s excitement. And you stop thinking, you know; you just stop. Bob Wilson was the only one who was still thinking about it, at that moment.

I returned to civilization shortly after that and went to Cornell to teach, and my first impression was a very strange one. I can’t understand it any more, but I felt very strongly then. I sat in a restaurant in New York, for example, and I looked out at the buildings and I began to think, you know, about how much the radius of the Hiroshima bomb damage was and so forth … How far from here was 34th Street? … All those buildings, all smashed—and so on. And I would go along and I would see people building a bridge, or they’d be making a new road, and I thought, they’re crazy, they just don’t understand, they don’t understand. Why are they making new things? It’s so useless.

Brandon Cook
Brandon Cook

I want to believe, I really do, I want you to refute this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw#History.

A "did you know the screw was invented to kill people?" would make for a far better discussion topic than "did you know the Greeks invented yet another thing we still use today?"

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

Designing a weapon of war isn't a war crime dweeb

Juan Turner
Juan Turner

If Wikipedia is anything to go by, a large number of Japanese military personnel were killed in Hiroshima. ~20,000.

I guess by "area bombing civilians" I should say "area bombing cities with military targets present because the bombs of that day and age just weren't accurate enough to do anything else.

Daniel White
Daniel White

Well then I concede. I did not know that their realization of what they were doing came so late.

Austin Young
Austin Young

All this shit taste on the best Ghibli and Miyazaki movie

Fucking amurican retarded kids, stop skipping your stupid classes.
Oh and look out for shooters in school you degenerate fucks.

Jaxson Garcia
Jaxson Garcia

Cameron, Model

Henry Barnes
Henry Barnes

While a recent hypothesis attributes the Archimedes' screw to Sennacherib, King of Assyria, archaeological finds and pictorial evidence only appear in the Hellenistic period and the standard view holds the device to be a Greek invention, most probably by the 3rd century BC polymath Archimedes.[56][dubious – discuss] Though resembling a screw, this is not a screw in the usual sense of the word.

Earlier, the screw had been described by the Greek mathematician Archytas of Tarentum (428–350 BC). By the 1st century BC, wooden screws were commonly used throughout the Mediterranean world in screw presses for pressing olive oil from olives and pressing juice from grapes in winemaking. Metal screws used as fasteners were rare in Europe before the 15th century, if known at all.[57]

Well it seems you are right, god damn would have been cool if it were first used in an execution device

Dominic Thomas
Dominic Thomas

To put it in anime terms, they were victims of atmosphere, like in Gatchaman Crowds Insight.

They were fooled by the military propaganda and were convinced that what they were doing is noble and just, only a few actually had the thought "what happens after this is made?", the rest were too busy in doing their jobs.

Funniest thing about it is how much misunderstanding existed between the military and the scientists, funny but grim.

Jack Collins
Jack Collins

all that bitterness
calling children degenerates
American Expat in some South Asian shithole spotted

Nolan Wright
Nolan Wright

be american POW
be in imprisoned in Nagasaki
war is going good, we are winning
there is hope
is that a bird?

Dylan Lee
Dylan Lee

Everyone on Sup Forums is American. They just use proxies/VPN to make it seem like they are posting from Europe or elsewhere.

You got it all figured out.

Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson

you should close the internet, build a wall around it or something to ward off the Mongolian hordes that dwell in the far reaches of the netherworld where the concept of freedom does not exist.

Jeremiah Hughes
Jeremiah Hughes

If you read doctrine from that period, killing civilians en masse was widely considered a useful propoganda tool, destabilizing the country in order to force a surrender. Strategic bombing, as it was developed and implemented in the 30s and 40s, was designed to both destroy military/industrial output and to demoralize and terrorize the population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing

Nicholas Russell
Nicholas Russell

1945
Live in Nagasaki
Phone relative in Kokura
He complains about the weather
Apparently it is cloudy with a chance of rain
Mock him, tell him it is sunny here
Tell him to hold on while I get my sunglasses

Dominic Russell
Dominic Russell

Strategic bombing is and was completely normal. Of course it usually involves civilians and thus has the nasty side effect of triggering pacifists and humanists and so on. Unless of course the winner bombs the fuck out of railways and general supply lines which ends up killing people in concentration camps due to lack of supply. That's a lovely was effort.
The idea of war crimes is a joke.

Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis

Curiosity killed lamo2cities and threw us into 60 years of doing not very much aside from creating the largest money gobbling bureaucratic mess ever known to man, more commonly known as NASA.

prevented the USSR and the US actually starting a full-scale war
led to the peace between all developed countries we have today
only wars left are civil wars and wars against terrorists without the resources of an actual nation

the nuclear bomb was overall a bad thing

shiggy diggy

Nolan Cooper
Nolan Cooper

1945
live in Hiroshima
work times
commute to town 2 hours away
done working
time to go home
fail no matter how hard I try to do this

Jace Moore
Jace Moore

tfw Anno voiced the MC apparently

Parker Perez
Parker Perez

I must say it was one of his worst movies

There were some small scenes that had that Ghibli feel, but in general, this movie sucked

Austin Jenkins
Austin Jenkins

He did. Miyazaki needed his autism to pull the character off.

Henry Ward
Henry Ward

Shut up, Wolverine...

Henry Bailey
Henry Bailey

Because his creations were beautiful, despite their use for war. The movie is about Miyazaki's inner conflict regarding this

I actually just saw some program on the History Channel recently with USAF pilots praising the Zero and calling it one of the most beautiful planes ever made, so it's not like it's some crazy Japanese nationalist thing that you should be sensitive about

Sebastian Cook
Sebastian Cook

1945
Chinese slave worker
Work in electrics factory
wires wires all day wires
at end of day kept in cave
lots of bats
need to eat bats to survive
one day big bang
hear skies filled with cries
Only 1 guard in cave
I know I can kill
walk out
Now they've lost me
My freedom, it lies just beyond...

Isaiah Kelly
Isaiah Kelly

talk shit about other countries including Japan all day
when anyone says anything against MURIKA you fucks instantly rage reply

Fuck you yanks are pathetic.

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

Why aren't war crimes war crimes when they're committed by American and Israeli troops?

Oliver Mitchell
Oliver Mitchell

money coming from the same taxpayers
he makes a distinction between the two

Liam Green
Liam Green

Shut up mudslime. It's not Israel using children as human shields.

And yes,Israel does horrid shit too,it's just that palastine would fucking genocide Israel if the power balance where to be reversed.

Joseph Adams
Joseph Adams

Wars are just like really heated sports events for me. I just root for the one with the uniforms I like the most. With that in mind, I tend to root for Best Korea at every possible opportunity. I hope there's more missile testing soon. I miss those guys and their baller hats.

Ryder Hughes
Ryder Hughes

would fucking genocide Israel if
I wonder why.

John Torres
John Torres

The fact that the hospital, a bunch of residential appartments (where the rockets and mortars will originate from prior to their launch from the rooftop), and a school, all sharing a single high-rise is a direct result of being crammed into a small settlement. These poor sand people were forced into this situation by these other sand people with lots of money. And then these other sand people with lots of money use their crazy huge often illegal weapons on all these poor sand people (with the school and hospital right underneath them) and claim it's in self defense. The world sits by. Meanwhile the US fights wars "against terror" to install whichever regimes are most pro-US and Israel they can. It sickens the rational mind.

Mason King
Mason King

It sickens the rational mind.
So 0 USA citizens.

Dominic Richardson
Dominic Richardson

Have you read any passage in the koran? Every other sentence is about kill muh evil jews.

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

It's not Israel using children as human shields.

Well, they certainly didn't strap any Israeli children to the side of that jeep a few years ago, but I think this statement you make is false, friend. :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sdnyAgR4bo

Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

It doesn't sicken any rational minds because they realize that both killing each other is the best outcome there can be.

Lucas Sanders
Lucas Sanders

You are very ssd. Stop being so sad. It's sad.

Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

I am saddened to hear that you are following a US educational curriculum.

Landon Davis
Landon Davis

Post a credible source or fuck off. I never denied Israel does terrible shit too. But they don't outright try to murder every citizen of Palestine,something that would happen the instant Israel became defenseless.

Not American,but nice try retard.

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

I don't feel like an SSD though, in fact I'm rather slow.

Xavier White
Xavier White

muh citation needed

You're completely retarded. You can pull hypothetical doomsdays scenarios out your butt all day, but anyone can just look at the scoreboard. The subjugation of these people has been well-documented for decades. And Israeli uniforms are shit. Palestinian civilians aren't even wearing uniforms for me to root for.

I'm rather slow.
No kidding.

Bentley Cox
Bentley Cox

If you're interested in rooting for one site as if it was a sports event, then I don't see what you have against both sites killing each other.

Zachary Wilson
Zachary Wilson

Reminder this isn't /pol/.

hypothetical doomsdays scenarios
You know that Hamas,the people in power in that shithole,openly state that killing every last jew is their mission,don't you?

Jose Powell
Jose Powell

You do realize that this film was a fictional biopic?

Evan Diaz
Evan Diaz

the man who design guns is the same as the one who shoot it

Fucking kek'd.

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

But if no design gun, no war.

Blake Morales
Blake Morales

Americans have trouble reconciling our self-image as the scrappy good guys with the fact that in the end, we were the ones who actually used the science-fiction doomsday weapons.

Hunter Allen
Hunter Allen

Why does America glorify theirs?

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

They like to forget their country is the one and only first world country that has a prison where people are jailed and tortured without a trial.

Brayden Hall
Brayden Hall

The man who uses a gun is still not a war-criminal.

Brody Butler
Brody Butler

wolverine
American
user...

Adam Robinson
Adam Robinson

Aslo, when you are an engineer engaged in a project, it's often very hard to see anything but the specific problems in front of you.

You develop a type of tunnel vision. It gets difficult, even for groups of people, to seen anything but the problem in front of you and the goal of solving it. The real-world implications of your actions only hit you afterwards.

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

Hey man nice reference.

Logan Williams
Logan Williams

Still not as bad as the Cockpit. That one really glorified the Japanese Empire while demonizing the West.

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

Le einstein built the first bomb
Dude, stop getting your news and pop sci from FB.

Leo Edwards
Leo Edwards

He isn't. It's just moral fags who like to call anything war related a "war crime" without taking the legality of the term into account.

Aiden Jackson
Aiden Jackson

Hitler was going to be tried but he killed himself. The trial was most certainly going to execute him so no big dif.

Nolan Nguyen
Nolan Nguyen

USS liberty

Not really. We went from "scrappy underdog" to "badasses who harnessed the power of the atom and brought the world into a new futuristic age, at least according to forties and fifties propaganda.

Tyler Gray
Tyler Gray

The trials at the end of the war were victors justice anyway. The figureheads got executed, the most fucked up were rich enough to get away.

Justin Cox
Justin Cox

prevented the USSR and the US actually starting a full-scale war
Good thing.

led to the peace between all developed countries we have today
Most developed nations are now vassal states of the US and thus in constant war...
only wars left are civil wars and wars against terrorists without the resources of an actual nation
...against these guys, also known as people from the not developed countries. Also called colonies of the developed countries.

History is a bit more than some memes, user.

Jace Brooks
Jace Brooks

I remember being shown that movie on the bus during a field trip back in 5th grade. Even back then I remember thinking it was kind of offensive.

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