Muv-Luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken

William Carter
William Carter

Don't mind me, just posting best girls

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Austin Rogers
Austin Rogers

Don't mind me, just posting delicious girls.

Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

Where do I start with muv luv? Visual novels or anime?

Christopher Foster
Christopher Foster

Would you hire them to solve your BETA problem?

Luke Kelly
Luke Kelly

The VNs. The Original trilogy is what started the ride, which continues despite all odds. And they are far better than both Anime adaptations and the spinoffs they are based on.

Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

Should I wait for Steam releases? I read they get uncensor patches later, but was that for everyone or only for ks backers?

Zachary Peterson
Zachary Peterson

Visual Novels. get the old translation and a torrent or wait for the eventual Steam release.

Play extra for two routes (Sumika & Meiya) to unlock Unlimited.

Play Unlimited.

Play alternative.

Everything else can be enjoyed out of order if you want to, just be ready for Extra to get on your nerves cause it's quite boring to begin with.

Ryder Martinez
Ryder Martinez

The patch should be for everyone. But you should follow this guys suggestion .

Blake Thompson
Blake Thompson

How does the non H version of Unlimited and Extra work?
Meiya's ending doesn't make much sense if you don't show she and Takeru fucking at least once.

Joseph Allen
Joseph Allen

Thanks. I'll probably wait for Steam release, which apparently happens early June.

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones

Posting best girls.

Easton Bell
Easton Bell

user, there's this thing called "Implying" that can be used in stories to say something happened without actually showing you the event in question.

I do agree that Meiya's route would feel very unnatural without that scene at the end, so it wouldn't be just a mater of cutting it out, but replacing something else to act as a high note for the end of the route, maybe a kiss on the roof with the moon acting as background while Mana-sama, the 3 idiots, Not-Takumi and co. are going like "Fuck yeah! we did it!" in the grounds outside.

Gabriel Bailey
Gabriel Bailey

Wrong image, dude.

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

tfw the most OP TSFs put there are either chickens or plot-armored tin mans

Brody Brown
Brody Brown

I want everyone to be more open and close to each other
Miki, call me Takeru-SAN

At least Class Rep points out that was completely dumb.

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

I'm so glad that Japan never fielded and scrapped the Shittynui Second and just bought the Gekkou.

Jason Hernandez
Jason Hernandez

Half-correct

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

Beato's Beatos and Iris's Irises are best girls

user those twins are nice, but it doesn't work that way.

Connor Harris
Connor Harris

These threads have been severely lacking Katia bullying

Jose Cox
Jose Cox

She does know how to takes hits.

Joshua Reed
Joshua Reed

Irisdina is so ugly in both body and mind. No wonder Jurgen never cared about her.

Nolan Flores
Nolan Flores

She's the only one of that squad that I marry given that she's a christian and a good girl

she is a disgusting heretic though

Eli Miller
Eli Miller

I want to yell "freebird" during Katia's speech.

Adam Watson
Adam Watson

Iris is love, Iris is life

Dominic Reyes
Dominic Reyes

Iris is moderate, Iris is rebel

John Collins
John Collins

What genre of music do you think Lise likes?
I bet it's rock

Josiah Richardson
Josiah Richardson

Iris and Beatrix are for brutal bullying.

Ryder Green
Ryder Green

She wouldn't feel anything because she's wearing the fortified suit...

Colton Evans
Colton Evans

Just like best girl didn't feel a thing?

;_;

Landon Hughes
Landon Hughes

Best girl did indeed not feel anything

except being noble confidant'd

Carter Lopez
Carter Lopez

How do you rape Sumika?

Lucas Walker
Lucas Walker

Smashmouth
Smashing Pumpkins
Breaking Benjamin
Slipknot

Adrian Carter
Adrian Carter

with candy

Ayden Ross
Ayden Ross

not using the new scans
Step it up senpai.

Matthew Young
Matthew Young

Who /NVA/ here?
https://youtu.be/G7CC7i6brEI

Leo Gomez
Leo Gomez

/NVA/
not /NATO/

Come on pham.

Gabriel Barnes
Gabriel Barnes

Will Muv-Luv threads revitalize when Extra gets released on steam?

Camden Sanchez
Camden Sanchez

HATO
ayy lmao

Chase Howard
Chase Howard

make rape jokes in front of Lise and Sylwia
make racist jokes in front of Pham
heckle Gretel
try to prove Iris that Satan is the only way and draw a pentagram on her pillow
generally be a dick to Katia
How fast do I die?

Julian Morales
Julian Morales

Implying that's worse that whatever the hell Beatrix was by the end

James Rogers
James Rogers

Not technically correct, but the idea that the Soviet Bloc is that technically inferior is on the right track. But there's a lot less jobbing going on.

Grayson Howard
Grayson Howard

If you're looking for a painful suicide you should be bullying Beatrix instead.

Daniel Stewart
Daniel Stewart

PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

Charles Thomas
Charles Thomas

so when is the vn coming out?
didnt they say the first game would come out in march?
why isnt it out yet?

Xavier Long
Xavier Long

Reminder that Milf Anette may have been at Yukon in 2001.

Brody Ross
Brody Ross

Or more likely dead.

Charles Wood
Charles Wood

IS IT WRONG TO DREAM, DAMMIT?!

Landon Ortiz
Landon Ortiz

Reminder that Latrova was born in the same year as Beatrix and Iris. Reminder that had they survived, we could've had three hot milfs running around instead of just one.

Adam Wright
Adam Wright

See, we put projects like this on hold because Kennedy was pussy and thought it was TOO MUCH Soviet-annihilating power, and that it was somehow therefore bad.

And we still won, so...

Caleb Moore
Caleb Moore

Noice
Never give up on your dream

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

Damn that shit hurts yo.

So we had a bomb ass Russkie lady running around during SM in the USSR.

If Mira also happened to be born in the same year, I'm going to cry foul.

Charles Turner
Charles Turner

Yeah, but she would have made them look silly by comparison.

Jace Ward
Jace Ward

we put projects like this on hold because Kennedy was pussy
Or could it be that it is a stupid project that is too much for the time.

This right here is the shit.

Chase Hall
Chase Hall

She turned 30 in 1989/90, so she'd be extremely close to Iris and Beatrix in age.

Justin Murphy
Justin Murphy

Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

Parker Wood
Parker Wood

I know not strictly Kennedyite, but,

No F-108s (presumably later to be redesignated to match the naming reform) to fly the skies with B-70s

Why even live?

Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson

Suffering

Ethan Clark
Ethan Clark

Would be a good thing if planes did not collide when flying for a good photo shoot.

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

Pluto was certainly cool, but they never really did get around the 'spewing deadly radioactive material' and 'deadly to everything before it starts dropping hydrogen bombs' parts.

Of course, it had its moments.

the contract to manufacture the 500,000 pencil-sized elements was given to the Coors Porcelain Company.

Mr. Coors decided soon after that maybe he was in the wrong industry, and his porcelain business soon became fairly insignificant.

Asher Gutierrez
Asher Gutierrez

Okay, I'm crying foul.

What other people were born in or around Beatrix Iris year? The Spaghetti Siblings parents perhaps? Tarisa's mom? Walken?

Hudson Cooper
Hudson Cooper

Was quite accidental, the F-104 is a light plane, couldn't see properly his positioning relative to the XB-70, and the Valkryie's design was such that it has a massive vortex generated in it's wake and underwing.

Shit, thank goodness I saved this.

Stella is merely blonder.

This is kinda spooky.

Christian Jones
Christian Jones

Well, that got axed by ballistic missiles being easier than everyone thought, particularly with little gimmicks like MIRVs.

That said, we probably cancelled a lot of nuclear projects way too soon because of a lack of manful fortitude. Orion, at least, would have been surprisingly non-fallout-producing, and it's possible the nuclear ramjet could have been shielded properly with advances in material science.

Carter Price
Carter Price

two additional hot milfs
instead, they didn't even get to have sex

ML really is suffering, isn't it?

Jeremiah Robinson
Jeremiah Robinson

Latrova had the dream of Iris and Beatrix
married her husbando
had kid, plans for many more
Husbando purged, kid taken away

She just about has that dead eye look Lise has too.

Owen Peterson
Owen Peterson

just want to relive alternative again
but they keep making shit i don't care about

i really think they should just continue after alternative's story with new MCs and some of the old cast. i liked some of the short stories they put out after..

Ryder Myers
Ryder Myers

Reminder that it's already early May and backers STILL haven't received BETA keys. I'm starting to feel that we got scammed.

Samuel Foster
Samuel Foster

She just about has that dead eye look Lise has too.

But she managed to not fuck it up for team Zhar. Or at least not worse that they would have gotten as ablative tactical armor.

Andrew Nelson
Andrew Nelson

Clearly you didn't pre-order Alternative for when it came out in 2004.

Grayson Hughes
Grayson Hughes

Sorry, meant

Jeremiah Davis
Jeremiah Davis

In addition to my boner, my heart has an odd feeling. It's really too bad TE didn't have routes.

you will never help repopulate Scandinavia

Dominic Cooper
Dominic Cooper

happy soviet SAM rubs hands.jpeg
Literally flying targets.

And the funniest thing of all is, fucking Stalin killed you all back in 30s already when he released the jew. Mudslime for a mayor of jew york when?

Anthony Edwards
Anthony Edwards

<<It's them, the Demon Lords of East Germany>>

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

To be honest without the casualty conductor bussiness and the whole outsider perspective of someone being pulled from a peaceful world into an alternate world..and witnessing that someone from a naive brat into a soldier who can do things he needs to even though he stills trips along the way...makes the side stories seems a bit pale in comparison.

Colton Adams
Colton Adams

Wonder how many people know how the original image looked like.

Kevin Martin
Kevin Martin

It says bazooka, but only talks about panzerfaust.
Neither was especially effective anyway.

Chase Baker
Chase Baker

You can also note that the tank with the schurzen is a panther.

It only had it to cover the gap between the tracks and the upper hull sides.

Only the panzer 3 and 4 had it around the turret.

Well and some captured T-34's

Connor Thomas
Connor Thomas

yeah but he's dead
seeing the others continuing his fight is very nice too imo. yuuko and the surviving valkyries are still fighting, and they'd make good supporting characters for a new cast.

Nathan White
Nathan White

in body
Shit taste.

Robert Richardson
Robert Richardson

Yes because I totally would have ordered a japanese visual novel here in Europe in the year 2004 ...

Juan Kelly
Juan Kelly

Hot...

Thomas Allen
Thomas Allen

I want to punch her and stomp on her glasses

Josiah Sanchez
Josiah Sanchez

...
and you totally need to fuck off

Brayden Rivera
Brayden Rivera

Tsukuyumi best girl!

Noah Wilson
Noah Wilson

Jumping from a rooftop will be a much less painful way to die.

Anthony Hughes
Anthony Hughes

*Tsukuyomi

Camden Gomez
Camden Gomez

fuck off

Leo Rogers
Leo Rogers

Its fine he earned his ending
Besides since those who he have fight for are dead and he already did the world a favor so asking him the peace of death is fine

Carson Sanchez
Carson Sanchez

Why? Because I wasn't a VN reader for 12 years or longer? Newsflash, even to this day most people in the west don't even know what VNs are and what the most popular are, let alone that they would pay such amounts of money to import them from Japan AND read them without an english translation. Just befause you might be one of those guys who actually did it back then doesn't mean that the same can be said about most of them.

Besides the fan translation only got released in 2012 for ML and MLA so most people in these threads here probably are secondaries and should just as well fuck off right? Cause that will definitely improve circlejerking, ahem I mean DISCUSSIONS, right?

Good god ...

John Davis
John Davis

That generation seems to have been uniquely blessed.

Dominic Gonzalez
Dominic Gonzalez

tfw no Yugoslavia front VN
milf Tito never

why even live

Carson Martin
Carson Martin

While I agree with you, being this butthurt about some user trolling you only makes you look bad bro.

Let him wasted his time, let him be, move on with your day. Cause otherwise the only one whose day will be soured is you.

Justin Morales
Justin Morales

Posting
Tito died in 1980
Mabye the threat of the BETA stopped the Serbs from fucking up eveything and Yugoslavia didn't break up so fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ

Brandon Butler
Brandon Butler

Anett is a useless dumb cunt who got Iris killed by her stupidity.
Let's all bully Anett for being so useless and stupid.

Brandon Bailey
Brandon Bailey

let's bully her for something that happened in the anime only
no

James Russell
James Russell

Who could have know that Iris had such a severe allergic reaction to .25acp?

So dangerous that you could not patch up something damage from something that is equal to 22 long rifle.

Kayden Foster
Kayden Foster

I dunno, imagine Lise when she finds out that baptism washes away her sins.

Corinthians was essentially written for people like Lise (ex-prostitutes)

Connor Murphy
Connor Murphy

22LR to the head is deadly, as many a kraut learned

Camden Morris
Camden Morris

Gretel survives to 3 AK rounds
Iris dies to a single .25
every fucking time

Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

You cant headshot pretty girls!!!

That is evil.

Austin Turner
Austin Turner

kraut
pretty

No problem here user, get the rifle and let`s go!

Daniel Sanders
Daniel Sanders

And that's why your brother headshoted you Lise

Grayson Morales
Grayson Morales

Tell that to Theo

Joseph Richardson
Joseph Richardson

Lise never died.

She only got replaced.

Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

Theo's paranoid ass lost the ability to tell apart right and wrong a long time ago.

Jace Edwards
Jace Edwards

no she is pretty much dead

inb4 WEAR THE RIBBONS KATIA

Leo Edwards
Leo Edwards

A bullet to the head was the most quick death she could get. Imagine what will happen if Suzy or the other rebels got their hands on her

Justin Gonzalez
Justin Gonzalez

Theo did literally nothing wrong.

It is exactly the same as getting a superior new computer moniter or copy pasting a image with higher quality.

Evan Long
Evan Long

She would have been Gaddafied.

Benjamin Stewart
Benjamin Stewart

go bait elsewhere
Exactly and Beato got Mussolinied

Justin Flores
Justin Flores

"Theo"
Somehow forget the one who did it first was Irisdina.

I don't like Theo either, but man, fuck the hatred force he seems to have attracted, they act like social justice tumblr landwhales.

Levi Turner
Levi Turner

social justice tumblr landwhales
lisefags

Hm.

Cameron Carter
Cameron Carter

The rebels forced Theo to shoot his sister

Austin Davis
Austin Davis

Literally forced shooting.

Jayden Parker
Jayden Parker

Also there's the part where Lise was basically pretending to be insane so that he'd be able to go through with it, because she was afraid they'd kill him if he didn't kill her. Neither sibling had a good day that day.

Caleb Robinson
Caleb Robinson

Rebels, not even once

Matthew Harris
Matthew Harris

And yet there are still fools who claim that she didn't love him, and that it was all only an act.

Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

...The joke was that Alternative wasn't released until 2006.

Joshua Stewart
Joshua Stewart

FISHBED PRIDE WORLDWIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7AgUcME4o0

Austin Watson
Austin Watson

look at me, I invented another strawman

Asher Robinson
Asher Robinson

Lise
pretending to be insane
pretending

Austin Jackson
Austin Jackson

It was a different kind of insane though, she knew better than to beg Theo to join the Stasi when she was surrounded by rebels, she did it any way do her could find out in himself to shoot her and therefore save himself

Gavin Hill
Gavin Hill

Those dead eyes...

Gavin Watson
Gavin Watson

She's had a tough life.

Landon Watson
Landon Watson

Wow she had pretty much given in at that moment...
I can't look at that without being depressed.

Jackson Parker
Jackson Parker

tough life? she looks happy in your picture. she will never be as pure as gretel.

James Miller
James Miller

You will never take a midnight shower with Lise because she woke up soaked with sweat from a nightmare
You will never cuddle with her in front of the fire, dozing lightly, and waiting for morning to come.

Jayden Brown
Jayden Brown

How can she be so cute. I want to give her a headpat!

Evan Parker
Evan Parker

Lise is literally weaponized moe.

Daniel Parker
Daniel Parker

Then what is Ursula? Her moe-ness started a whole rebellion.

Austin Foster
Austin Foster

She is politicized moe.

Jack Nelson
Jack Nelson

I haven't done much with it lately but it's still there.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-uMN28GtT68ZPP2gS2Tq5Ipm4yw_odDBLpS3qM_camg/edit?usp=sharing

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

Sauce?

Colton Mitchell
Colton Mitchell

Go read TDA senpai, it's the best spinoff.

William Reed
William Reed

You will never wake up in the night to hear crying out in her sleep from a nightmare, only for you to go to her room and wake up, after which she clings to you
you will tell her that she can sleep with you if it'll make her feel safer, an offer she takes up and sleeps soundly throughout the night with a soft, reassured smile on her face

Please don't stop writing healanon. I want to read more healing stories where characters live ordinary lives and overcome their traumas and troubles. Reading these were the highlight of my day.

Christian Nguyen
Christian Nguyen

I'm trying to figure out where to go with it next. Maybe I'll write that up.

Jack Nguyen
Jack Nguyen

More of Sylwia and the other polish girls

Justin Rivera
Justin Rivera

might be where I go with it but it would be nice if someone gave me a deeper character profile of the other two. "Kaja = wanted to moderately run away" and "Irena = wanted to stay and fight and also killed herself" doesn't give me a whole lot to work with. maybe if an LN friend gave me deeper impressions of their charaacters

That one has a lot of potential because, for one thing, Sylwia is an adult with a job, a marriage, and a life, and not some kid conscript. that alone has the potential for a lot of interesting play between the characters.

Colton Martinez
Colton Martinez

no, because you are not using ellipses properly and clearly don't have a handle on rational thought considering your lengthy sperg post that completely put words into my mouth

...
in short, double fuck off.

Lucas Reed
Lucas Reed

That's a start

Ryan Murphy
Ryan Murphy

Will, given how you went fall/Oktoberfest to the spring wedding in leaps and bounds, maybe there is some space for winter adventures? Also opens the door for most of the cast to reflect about the past, since the actual series took place when in an endless winterland.

More of the earlier Sylwia healing could work. I mean, she gave the impression throughout the series of having a lot of balled up emotions waiting to be let out.

Benjamin Ward
Benjamin Ward

the problem with the latter is that the narrator isn't going to be there for any of it, that's mostly private Walther/Sylwia time and nobody else is invited or welcome. Kind of like all the characters, really. You can't imagine Beatrix behaved the same when it was just her and Jurgen as when she was with Lise or Iris or the narrator. Though I guess just tossing interludes in there might help. no reason why the narrator has to even be there.

Benjamin Ramirez
Benjamin Ramirez

What are you talking about, extra was tons of fun.

Lincoln Jones
Lincoln Jones

I want to protect that smile

Ryan Edwards
Ryan Edwards

Extra seems to be love it or hate it for most people user. But you have to admit that the Lacrosse Arc can get pretty boring.

Logan Ross
Logan Ross

War is politics that actually tires to reach a decisive decision.

Wyatt Robinson
Wyatt Robinson

I left it on auto and played Europa Universalis.

So naturally, I got back and was halfway through Unlimited. Somehow

Jack Hernandez
Jack Hernandez

Thanks for reminding me that I need to keep chipping away at my copy of Von Clauswitz

John Gutierrez
John Gutierrez

The key thing to remember is to remember... what he says on the fog of war and inherent uncertainty of combat, actually, before using him as a yardstick to measure historical command decisions.

That said, the man knew what he was talking about, particularly with respect to how the objective of a war isn't victory; defeating the enemy militarily is a means to a political or economic end.

Carson Rodriguez
Carson Rodriguez

And reaching "a political or economic end" is a victory.

Chase Brown
Chase Brown

There were a lot of people, especially those off Sup Forums, saying that Lise never loved Theo and just wanted to own him like a slave.

Bentley Harris
Bentley Harris

DESU if you don't use his conceptions of uncertainty or fog of war as a key part of the yardstick, you aren't using him to judge historical command decisions.

Luis Scott
Luis Scott

It's never wrong to dream but it feels wrong when you can only dream about kasumi route.

Hudson Nelson
Hudson Nelson

What they meant is she never loved the Theo we see in a show, but some idealized headcanon version of him. Obsessively monopolizing hih was also a thing, that`s why WHERE`S IRIS was so painful for her.

Leo King
Leo King

Usually, they're saying it as a justification for why Theo should torture or kill Lise. Its the same thing with Jurgen, with much of the retards on Reddit or MAL believing that Beatrix was only using his name to taunt others and was simply like Axmann, a greedy, selfish, asshole.

Gavin Gonzalez
Gavin Gonzalez

But Axmann wasn`t greedy, he forked Lise to Beatrix.

Evan Collins
Evan Collins

Could be payment for a favour or Beatrix promised something in exchange.

Jackson Adams
Jackson Adams

It was more like after baby smash Axmann got bored of Lise. It's like a kid with a broken toy. He only started taking interest in Lise again after Beatrix began ducttaping and glueing her back into some semblance of a human being.

Noah Flores
Noah Flores

Why is Axmann so good with girls?

Ian Smith
Ian Smith

He`s a very dashing gentleman of means.

Cameron Anderson
Cameron Anderson

Do you think Lise could be a good babysitter?
She seems to have hands that could rock the cradle to me.

Cooper Perez
Cooper Perez

Carlos!

Jace White
Jace White

Young Beatrix is so adorable.
I want to bully her so much.

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

Carlos, you glorious motherfucker.

Asher King
Asher King

RIP AND TEAR

Camden Gutierrez
Camden Gutierrez

You have to date her too if you want to do that.

Ryan Sullivan
Ryan Sullivan

Only a idiot would die to a Soldier-class. They are the worst possible soldier that you can design.

Warrior is hands down better at all levels.

Ethan Gutierrez
Ethan Gutierrez

This is the "mighty" imperial guard

Henry Edwards
Henry Edwards

Warrior-kun did not make it to either TE or SM.

Poor Warrior-kun.

Isaiah James
Isaiah James

i knew TE was kuso the moment best girl died in ep2

Dylan Wilson
Dylan Wilson

you will never brainwash Beato into thinking you're a reincarnation of Jurgen
you will never use that as an excuse to be a dick to her, knowing she will take it all and love it

Jeremiah King
Jeremiah King

alrighty there MK Ultra

Ryder King
Ryder King

But Beato doesn`t believe in reincarnation.
She only believes in a hibeertorte with a topping of balls.

Kevin Rivera
Kevin Rivera

How would she react if you try to hold hands with her and tell her she has beautiful eyes?

Carter Hall
Carter Hall

Probably blushing and nervous giggling.

It's even cuter when you can see her blush lines.

Camden Price
Camden Price

She'd be wetter than Katrina.

Cameron White
Cameron White

fluster and blushing intensifies

Ryder Phillips
Ryder Phillips

My disgust for the soldier-class is so high that it can break the Berlin wall.

It provides absolutely no advantage over the warrior class even in production due to how much larger it is therefore having more mass meaning higher potentional cost for producing vs a warrior class.

It's combat effectivness is 0.0%

It is slow, awkward to attack, absolutely weak due to being a slow piece of shit and being "several times stronger arm strenght then normal human".

The only thing it have done is killing japanese people. From mere mechanics, pilots and some officer with a sneaky chomp.

Absolutely disgusting. What kind of retard made it? The worst thing it can do is tipping over a empty car. You can kill hordes of them using ATF agents with no surprise advantage, fucking hundreds or maybe thousands.

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

The hell is wrong with this guy. Will BiS ever give some back story on how he ended up this way or are we left to assume he was born like this.

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

I wonder if he'd end up becoming a serial killer if he didn't join Stasi or was born in a peaceful time.
I get serious Ted Bundy vibes from him.

Cooper Johnson
Cooper Johnson

He's a self admitted sociopath. That's about it, really. He wants to be free from morality, and he told Lise as much after her "final test" with the baby.

He's also based off of a RL sociopath. He even shares the same goddamn nickname with the man (no coincidence, as Hiroki is a huge WWII buff).

Christopher Morgan
Christopher Morgan

Why exactly did he hate Jurgen so much? I don't think Axmann was the type to personally begrudge others, yet Jurgen seems to especially tick the bastard off.

Also, you'd think Iris and Beatrix would be more focused on fucking Ketchup's shit up rather than each other after what he's done to both of them.

Ian Hernandez
Ian Hernandez

he was jelly because jurgen had beato.

Eli Fisher
Eli Fisher

Because it was all apart of the flight plan.

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

He saw Beatrix's potential and it pissed him off that someone was keeping it in check.

Luke Hill
Luke Hill

So BiS is just a really dark take on shoujo, isn't it.

Benjamin Collins
Benjamin Collins

But he`s into blonde interns.

Blake Ward
Blake Ward

I want to heal Lise' soul.

Anthony Sanchez
Anthony Sanchez

Why were Schmidt and Beatrix so gleeful over Lise's anguish?

Anime is so stupid.

Cameron Robinson
Cameron Robinson

How are you Beatrixfags and Lisefags going to like it when the VN hits and we're drowned again by all the people who've no knowledge of SM outside of the anime?

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

He wants to be free from morality, and he told Lise as much after her "final test" with the baby.

Based solely on the anime version I'd say he succeeded for the most part in turning her into a mini-me, even though there was still fractured parts of her old self that survived. Being at his mercy in mind and body for that long really knocked her screws loose. Its a shame time restraints didn't let us see enough of how we go from point A to point B; happy imouto Lise to hair twirling "no one matters but Theo" Lise.

Carter Sanchez
Carter Sanchez

Sure would be fun for us not lisefagging or beatofagging, though!

Benjamin Reyes
Benjamin Reyes

It really cheapens both. The impression I get from Schmidt is that he doesn't give a shit for the most part, and Beatrix would most likely ignore it, not gloat about it.

Cameron Jackson
Cameron Jackson

Ridicule them. Maybe add to the healing story.

Christian Long
Christian Long

all that Lise bullying
Pls no more. She's a good girl and anime treated her like shit.
Although I admit, I masturbated to hairtwirl.webm

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

Do you mean the first VN translated? Or Martyrs? Because we might get a few new Lisefags and less hate for Beatrix from the first one. And in the latters case, well, as long as it doesn't tell us that we were wrong all along, will be quite bearable, hell it even prove us right.

Isaac Ross
Isaac Ross

I hope you're committed because that will take some time.

Nicholas Scott
Nicholas Scott

It's weird, because while the anime version comes off as a worse human being, she doesn't come close to doing as many atrocities as the LN version. I guess the difference is is that one feels vaguely guilty and calls herself evil while the other has a slasher smile while doing shit (course, the LN one also smirks, especially when it's Iris or the 666th she's hurting).

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

yo fags, I want to start muv-luv,but cant find torrent on sukubei. Where the hell you find this shit?

Lincoln Morris
Lincoln Morris

Once you have a Lise to heal, you don't let her go.

Nathaniel Lee
Nathaniel Lee

Keep looking faggot, hell there are even normal downloads for it around.

Zachary Richardson
Zachary Richardson

Right answer

Lucas Peterson
Lucas Peterson

At least that would give an opportunity to use more and more healing methods.

Leo Garcia
Leo Garcia

Beato never was a saint user, but the anime version is so ridiculously evil you wonder why someone would serve her willingly. Sexy, charismatic and pragmatic to the point that she no longer has any morals Beato was and is way better.

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

I want Lise to tease me.

Jason Cruz
Jason Cruz

Anime version isn't anywhere near as badass either. LN version managed to kill, Sylwia, take down Annete, and nearly kill Theo, all the while having a severely damaged TSF despite being outnumbered.

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

I always found that image hilarious.

Evan Perez
Evan Perez

You won't have to ask twice. I'm sure she would be more than happy to belittle you for your shortcomings.

Caleb Cruz
Caleb Cruz

Well they had to suck the skills out of a large number of people in order to make Theo more heroic. Poor Walter is barely a character in the Anime and had a pretty useless death.

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

To be fair, a human body doesn't do shit against a shaped charge. The guys riding the tank weren't supposed to take the blast, they were supposed to see the person attacking them and shoot that person before he was able to destroy the tank.

I'd still prefer not to be the guy riding on the tank than the guy inside it, if we're in a place where contact is a possibility.

Actually, on second thought, I like living in a peaceful era with capitalism and smart phones and unimaginable material excess.

Camden Flores
Camden Flores

Exactly. Still doesn't make the image of Soviets strapping people to tanks to protect from shaped charges hilarious.

Charles Hall
Charles Hall

It's okay. If she gets carried away with that she gets tickled hard.

Asher Gray
Asher Gray

LN Beatrix is always having to rationalize herself into evil.

(能够领导这个国家前进的只有我们,那个人的理念将由我来实现,不管用什么手段也一定要实现。)

(Only we can lead this country forward. I'll realize that person's dream no matter the costs/method.)

Anime Beatrix does shit because it looks like she gets off to it.

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

Walter's death pissed me off so much.

"You can still be a good person, Beatrix" is so much more powerful than "I AM AWAITED."

He didn't even fuck her up that badly. They could have at least made his suicide take out an arm. And why even suicide. I know his waifu just died, but if he really wanted to fuck Beatrix's shit up, he could've just tag teamed her with Theo. The suicide should have been saved up for a desperation attack where it was obvious that he was near death.

Christopher Jones
Christopher Jones

Perfect

Go for the knee
http://www.age-soft.co.jp/Product/sm/wac/index.htm?process=2&escurl=../character04_esc.html

Blake Walker
Blake Walker

What does leftmost image represent? Soldiers approached the tank and removed that sheet metal thing?

Hudson Gonzalez
Hudson Gonzalez

The last episode dropped the ball in way too many ways to count

Owen Ward
Owen Ward

A knocked out panther.

Nicholas Hall
Nicholas Hall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj56GKBZRYc

Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

Third one is awesome. They`ve lost one comrade, but everybody has a fancy panzerfaust now!

Nolan Bell
Nolan Bell

Thats a german

Oliver Walker
Oliver Walker

they spammed the tank with vatniks and the tank couldn't see them, and was blown up. If the turret is off the hull, it usually means the ammunition cooked off.

also it's worth noting the obvious drawback of having soldiers ride on the tank, which is that they're vulnerable to shrapnel and machine gun fire. which is presumably why tanks are being used in the first place.

John Sanchez
John Sanchez

He`s wearing the ushanka.

Joseph Peterson
Joseph Peterson

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28467549

Brody Morgan
Brody Morgan

He is in a different color

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

They rode tanks into the battle, but not in the battle. If you look at old footage, they always dismount immidiately after hearing an MG.

Easton Scott
Easton Scott

Maybe expand a bit on Theo and Iris? calling their getting-together rushes is an understatement.

Or maybe we can have a glimpse at Walther and Sylwia? Inghilde and Marco? you exploring more of the other couples in general would be great in my book.

Adrian Ross
Adrian Ross

Lise is for waking up with a kiss on the cheek and a headpat

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes

2
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Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

Maybe show their kids. I could imagine Beatrix's daughter being the pack lead since she's the oldest. Maybe show Beatrix and Iris using their daughters as a means to carry out their rivalry.

Landon Hernandez
Landon Hernandez

And for putting to sleep with a bullet to the cranium.

Justin Wilson
Justin Wilson

You can kill hordes of them using ATF agents

Out of curiosity, why is the ATF of all things your example here? It seems kind of random.

Camden Adams
Camden Adams

QUINTS DEMAND IT

Given how all these kids are more or less raised together, they'll probably all end up being friends.

I'm also imagining Lise and anon's children calling Beatrix "auntie Beato"

Jack Kelly
Jack Kelly

That's what Axmann is for.

Kevin Morris
Kevin Morris

To be fair, a human body doesn't do shit against a shaped charge.

The body itself would offer negligible protection, but the fact of it's presence would detonate the HEAT shell beyond optimal distance - which is a pretty big deal with those.

Actually, on second thought, I like living in a peaceful era with capitalism and smart phones and unimaginable material excess.

A lot of people forget how nice this is.

Cooper Sanders
Cooper Sanders

1993 waco siege

Absolutely disgusting performance.

Ian Moore
Ian Moore

I think it has to do with the ATF's less than stellar track record.

Levi Adams
Levi Adams

Meiya a shit.
Chizuru best girl.
Extra best Muv Luv.

Nolan Bennett
Nolan Bennett

Cryska, Yui and Inia are my waifus.

Logan Rogers
Logan Rogers

You won't mind if I CHOMP a few then?

William Murphy
William Murphy

<<It's time>>

/tg/thread/47173099#p47173099

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

Is Theo the worst Mabu-Rabu protagonist yet. Not only does he fail to save girls, he either gets them killed, or kills them himself, then brags about it.

Josiah Morgan
Josiah Morgan

We stand with our brothers.

Dylan Morris
Dylan Morris

who will kill the master?

Wyatt Watson
Wyatt Watson

I wonder how Iris felt hearing Theo talk about Beatrix getting what she deserved in the LN?

Andrew Sanders
Andrew Sanders

Those quints.

Aaron Anderson
Aaron Anderson

Schwarzesmarken should have really been more gory. Can you imagine what it would have been like if it had been produced back in the days when shit like TE was allowed?

Christian Howard
Christian Howard

A bit more blood?
TE wasn`t that much of a gorefest itself.

Charles Barnes
Charles Barnes

see

Elijah Moore
Elijah Moore

And then we had a giant lull until what, retarded terrorists killed Natalie?
TE doesn`t qualify.

Oliver Murphy
Oliver Murphy

Holding hands with Gretel!

Connor Stewart
Connor Stewart

Being fair, we would have gotten pic related instead of Inghild smiling for the bullet like the anime depicts her.

but other than that it really wouldn't have been that much more gory (we did get Katia being drenched in the blood of a girl her age after all)

Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

tfw no Project Casaba Howitzer to shoot beams of atomic fire at BETA
tfw no Project Excalibur to shoot nuclear x-ray lasers at BETA
Come on Muv-Luv world, if you can make dumb shit like Project Daedalus a reality then you can build Project Orion and Project Excalibur and Project Casaba Howitzer too.

Josiah Jones
Josiah Jones

The Farkas' and Beatrix's death would have been way more gory. Didn't the LN actually have Beatrix's blood dribbling out of her MiG after Theo stabbed her.

Other than that, Lise's was actually more bloody, and Pham's death was handled well.

Zachary Young
Zachary Young

smiling for the bullet like the anime depicts her.

Whats up with that. Inghild, Pham, Lise, Sylwia, and Bea all smile when they die.

Alexander Cooper
Alexander Cooper

Well, Inghild is going straight to Marco. Beatoriiiiche is probably thinking she`ll meet Jurgen instead of Satan. Or maybe Jurgen is Satan?
Lise is happy that her brother is alive after all, and Pham is just high as fuck.

Ryan Lee
Ryan Lee

Don't forget Iris and Gretel too (even if Gretel survived, she thought she was dead).

Nicholas Gray
Nicholas Gray

Gretel is like Lise, she`s happy Martin lives on.
And Iris goes straight to god. Or maybe Satan, who is also Jurgen.

Christopher Hill
Christopher Hill

stalin was smiling because she found out martin was alive.

James Morris
James Morris

Looking back on it, I think it's hilarious how Beatrix and Iris both make a big deal about Jurgen to Theo, and he's still at the very end, totally clueless to the dude. He also can't understand why Iris would care about Beatrix's death, and concludes that it must be because Iris is such a kind person as to forgive her enemies or someshit.

「ベアトリクスは……?」
 アイリスディーナはテオドールに顔を向け、確認するように尋ねた。テオドールは頷いて答えた。
「……長くは苦しまなかったはずだ」
「彼女は…………」
 何かを言いかけて、アイリスディーナは言葉を切った。それから男性の名前を呟いた。それがアイリスディーナの兄の名ではないかとテオドールは察した。

"Is Beatrix...?"
Iris faced Theo, who replied with a nod,
"She shouldn't of suffered very long"
It looked as if she understood the words as Irisdina seemed to smile with relief.
"She's..." Irisdina trailed off, then muttered the name of a man. To Theo, it sounded like the name of her brother.

Iris dies thinking everything will be alright and people will be happy now, the poor woman.

Ryan Torres
Ryan Torres

Thank you for the trad user!

Theo sure is clueless. Poor boy.

Chase Murphy
Chase Murphy

Make me

Evan Gomez
Evan Gomez

He just needs someone to hold his hand, thats all. He's not a very forward thinker or proactive doer, but a little nudge in the right direction and he'll take off running. "right" direction being somewhat subjective.

Hudson Harris
Hudson Harris

Cuteness overdrive.

Landon Flores
Landon Flores

Wow, and I thought Takeru was dense.

Aaron Martin
Aaron Martin

Theo leaned on the railing of the balcony and blew out a line of smoke. He wasn't entirely sure what had happened to him. For starters, he didn't have the pounding hangover that he by every right ought to have, after the bender that he had the night before. Was it the night before? He wasn't sure that there was really a word to describe what had happened to him. He did, of course, spend most of the morning with a headache, but that wasn't from the alcohol, that was from the solid punch his sister had put on his chin, knocking him out only a moment after he had woken up.

Theo had been sure that the girl he was talking to had only been a dream. He had seen her in his dreams many times before. He had seen all of them in his dreams. And yet, he wasn't dreaming. If he was, he couldn't wake up, no matter what he did. Pain didn't wake him, nor pleasure. Theo snuffed the cigarette, and turned to gaze back into the apartment where Iris was sleeping. If he was dreaming, he didn't want to wake up, ever. He held his head in his hands, his elbows soaking in the light dusting of snow on the balcony. Everything was so strange. Almost everyone was here, even his parents. He still wasn't even sure where 'here' was. All he knew is that it was very different from the place he left behind. Even the people were different. Was it just the gaps in his memory, or had they simply already adapted to this new world? The seemed at ease, unguarded. For a paranoiac such as Theo, it was difficult to cope with. He gazed into the night sky, watching the snow fall. It was so quiet, so peaceful. So different. He put another cigarette to his lips, pased for a moment, then put it back in the pack, and returned inside to lie down beside Irisdina.

Ryder Campbell
Ryder Campbell

That's...sad.

Cute!

Let's just hope the VN offers absolution.

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

Reminds me of when soldiers come back from a tour abroad. They have trouble readjusting to civilian life.

Jeremiah Nguyen
Jeremiah Nguyen

Serbtime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4sqMNHZxjI

Blake Hall
Blake Hall

We need an extra where everyone gets to be happy

Brandon Anderson
Brandon Anderson

I'm browsing the Chink forums, and they really love there Theo/Beatrix slash shit.

“你真是个既奇葩又让人讨厌的女人,贝娅特丽克丝.布莱梅少校同志。”提奥多尔,不屑地对贝娅特丽克丝说道,“每次一看见你,我都会觉得很头疼。”

“随你怎么说……话说回来,你之前晕过去的时候,提奥 嘴里总是在念念叨叨的,还居然伸手来摸圌我的脸……那时你是不是做了什么奇怪的梦?”

“哪有……!?关你什么事!”

“嘛,你不想说就算了。”说着,贝娅特丽克丝坐直了腰身,以平静的语气继续对提奥多尔说道,“那个……在我的求生包里有条保湿毛巾,你能拿来帮我擦擦身子吗?”

[Scene set up is that Beatrix and Theo get fucked up fighting each other up in a blizzard. Unfortunately, their comm/radar equipment gets fucked when they crash. They both find shelter in a village and after giving up on killing one another, reach a sort of understanding. They end up sleeping next to each other, sharing blankets in their survival kits to stay warm, which is especially important for Beatrix as Theo smashed her suit dissolve button in his scuffle with her. Que Beatrix trying to seduce Theo.]

"You are both a wonderful and very annoying woman, Genossin Major Beatrix Brehme" Theodor said with a annoyed sigh. "Every time I see you, I feel a migraine coming on."

"Oh, is that what you say?... You're always complaining about me Theo, but when you were passed out, you reached out to grope me... I wonder what sort of perverted dreams wonder through your head?"

"What...!? Th-that's confidential!"

Well, it's not like I expected you to tell me anyways..." Beatrix said, sitting up straight and looking at Theo before continuing in a calm tone "...there's some wet towelettes in my survival bag; can you help me clean my body?"

Chase Morales
Chase Morales

对于贝娅特丽克丝的请求,提奥多尔并没有作出任何反应,依然是就那么侧着头躺在一边,懒得去再瞟一眼这个女人。

无奈地看了一眼不根本就不愿正视自己的提奥多尔后,贝娅特丽克丝只好吁了一口气,掀开了身上毯子,准备顶着四周弥漫的寒气去把放在另一边的湿毛巾拿出来。可就在这时候,提奥多尔却突然开口了:

“慢着,这里有点冷,我去拿给你吧。”

“呃……那就……有劳你了。”尽管这个回答有点延迟,但还是让贝娅特丽克丝露出了一抹欣慰的微笑。

Theodor made no response to Beatrix's request, turning away from the woman and not even deigning to give her a glance.

Looking at the unwilling form of Theo, Beatrix sighed, getting up and opening the blanket, readying herself for the biting cold. At this moment, Theo suddenly spoke up.

"Hold on, I don't want you freezing, I'll go get them."

"Oh... That actually worked after all." Beatrix said after a slight delay, a slightly mischievous but happy smile spreading on her face.
Of course, she ends up falling for him (she was already kind of interested). Ends up handing him a memento she wanted to give to Jurgen but never got the chance too (which is probably going to cause all sorts of shit for him if Iris sees it) Final line of the chapter is

——————提奥……为什么……为什么你偏偏会是爱丽丝的人?

——————Theo, why would you choose to be with Iris [over me]?

I could go on. Maybe I'll translate Schmidt molesting Beatrix and a Werewolf next? (I got exams to study for though)

Leo Gonzalez
Leo Gonzalez

there's some wet towelettes in my survival bag; can you help me clean my body?"

mfw

Logan Price
Logan Price

"Oh... That actually worked after all." Beatrix said after a slight delay

Justasplanned.jpg

Aiden Thomas
Aiden Thomas

Onii-chan and Onee-san getting dirty. Then clean. Then hot and heavy.

I like it. Please go on, I think we both know this is more important than studying for exams.

James Hill
James Hill

more healanon stories

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Connor Gonzalez
Connor Gonzalez

Beatrix and Theo seem like they would have a very interesting dynamic if they ever got together. Also, as much as it's a fanfic, I wonder if this is a more accurate portrayal of those two then the anime. Theo seems as edgy as people described him, and Beatrix as flirty and manipulative as she should be.

Tyler Bell
Tyler Bell

As much as I want to oblige those anti-godly trips, I'm riding an 89 in my class, and the finals are my last chance to pull it up to an A. If my grade was slightly higher or lower, I wouldn't give a shit.

Kevin Watson
Kevin Watson

Happy to have you around Healinganon. You going to do one with Inghilde Fahner now that we know a little of her background?

Ethan Roberts
Ethan Roberts

More healanon

Easton Diaz
Easton Diaz

What would SM be like if the party and stasi had teamed up?

Robert Baker
Robert Baker

BiS shows that
also, that was the situation before Katia's dad coup

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaEWJVWiWMQ

Henry Jenkins
Henry Jenkins

Silvio!

Josiah Bailey
Josiah Bailey

TDA was pretty fun due to the old characters like marimo,walken,meiya and kurogane appearing in a new mc's perspective. It's fun.

Henry Cooper
Henry Cooper

why are there mouths so agape?

Carter Bailey
Carter Bailey

Because Kurogane's piloting is unbelievable.

Henry Carter
Henry Carter

1/2 isn't too bad OP

Michael Cruz
Michael Cruz

because first,a black type00c with extreme piloting skills leading a squad of white type00a just BTFO'ed a whole flight of TSF that almost rekt them

funny, because them seeing that made them had a tiny bit of respect towards the IRG,

Ian Sanders
Ian Sanders

Kurogane had also pulled a Jesus Yamato and saved the loli

Eli Harris
Eli Harris

saved the loli
too strong
but i'll approved

Ryan Thompson
Ryan Thompson

at his very jaded state
have saved more than MLA
how?

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

The power of the EDGE! allows him to achieve everything at the cost of his free will.

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

Will this be his final loop until he reaches alternative? It must be since he is already too good at TDA

Christopher Mitchell
Christopher Mitchell

That's one fan theory. In order to have such a revulsion against Alt. V in Alternative he must have seen its effects, and not simply died during Babylon, so its a pretty viable theory.

Kevin Anderson
Kevin Anderson

Irislut

Samuel Gray
Samuel Gray

But if he'd been using his head, then he'd have realized...

I just remembered who we're talking about.

Parker Robinson
Parker Robinson

he probably gonna get exposed to all those collected g elements that was collected and gonna be fueled by those to finally reach the alternative

Jaxon King
Jaxon King

finally reach the alternative

It's not like Alternative is a different universe - it's a different sequence of events from 22.10.01 or so.

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

Will this be his final loop until he reaches alternative? It must be since he is already too good at TDA

I wonder what's going to kill him, he's pretty much unstoppable .

Though I would be okay with Kurogane getting a happy ending with Meiya, and the both of them raising their daughter together in TDA until Takeru dies of old age and loops into Alternative.

Nathaniel Lopez
Nathaniel Lopez

Please, we know that his gonna die again in protecting meiya or the other way again where he fights in his land and when he was about to die he promises that he will prevent this tragedy and then loops into the alternative

Adam Kelly
Adam Kelly

Orbital drop with Ichimonji as they crash a wedding when?

Lincoln Bennett
Lincoln Bennett

In TDA04?

Austin Hill
Austin Hill

happy ending
TDA
Nah, you know its gonna have the tragic ending that either will be a loop back to the start of unlimited or ends with takeru walking outside that would start alternative, though even with that, since kouki wants everyone to see the finale of TDA, its gonna be something

Bentley Gray
Bentley Gray

Muv Luv happy ending

Adrian Johnson
Adrian Johnson

How hard would you bully Iris if she was your wife?

Alexander Butler
Alexander Butler

Divorce and go find the superior blonde.

Ryan Fisher
Ryan Fisher

Why'd you marry her in the first place then?

Joseph Young
Joseph Young

To bully her apparently

Julian Rogers
Julian Rogers

All the time in bed.

Camden Cook
Camden Cook

happy ending with Meiya
see you later

Ayden Stewart
Ayden Stewart

And those tentacles CRAWLING IN HER SKIN.

Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

She sure looks stunning without the ribbons.
Theo didn't know how lucky he was.

Gavin Brown
Gavin Brown

I want to take Katia somewhere and make her think I'm gonna feed her to BETAs

Dylan King
Dylan King

Does anyone know how much research they did when they made SM?

Christian Flores
Christian Flores

A little.
And a whole lot of grass.

Josiah James
Josiah James

Please, she looks stunning regardless.

Parker Kelly
Parker Kelly

I want to hug her and sniff her hair

Cameron Green
Cameron Green

Meant for

James Barnes
James Barnes

dried cum

Connor Stewart
Connor Stewart

she will never run up and wrap you in a tearfull embrace the moment she sees you.

Anthony Roberts
Anthony Roberts

Theo went back inside, sliding the glass door behind him. He made his way down the hall, and into Irisdina Bernhard's room. She was curled up on one side of the queen-sized bed, breathing softly. Theo squinted in the dark. using the small amount of light spilling into the room to find a white paper bag by the closet. He reached into the bag, and pulled out a set of red and green plaid flannel pyjamas that his mother had purchased for him that afternoon while they were wandering around the town. He hugged the folded pyjamas to his chest, trying to wrap his head around everything. The fact that his mother was even alive, after so many years... Theo could hardly believe it. It felt all the more strange because as it turned out, he was nearly as old as she was. Theo smiled, and shook his head slowly. This sort of thing, it couldn't possibly be a dream, right? He finally changed into the pyjamas, and slid into the bed next to Iris. She had never had the chance to so much as get used to another person sharing a bed with her, and feeling the body beside her made her awake, alert. She rolled over, and stared at the red headed man next to her.

Gazing at the man next to her, she whispered, "This... This isn't a dream, right?"

"I don't know. But in my dreams, this is what I always do next."

Theo drew Iris in close, and plants a kiss on her lips. She pulled away for a moment, surprised, then blinked, before leaning in again to resume the kiss. Soon, his hands were all over her, and she felt as the man on top of her unhooked her bra in one fluid motion, and gently slid off the panties she was wearing under her nightgown. The last time she had seen Theo, he had been a boy, five years her junior. Above her now was a man who caressed her with expert precision. She let out a gasp as a pair of fingers pressed inside her.

"Sorry, do you want me to stop?"

Her face barely visible in the dim light, Iris smiles, "I... no. I'm just a little new at this, that's all."

Jordan Hall
Jordan Hall

Onii-chan, remember to use protecti-

Oh wait...

Samuel Scott
Samuel Scott

You fucking doofus. Infantry's meant to shoot the enemy with the panzerfaust, not greet the projectile with their bodies. Who the fuck would ever strap people to tanks?

Leo Rodriguez
Leo Rodriguez

Nobody did.
But the joke flew right above your head.

Elijah Nelson
Elijah Nelson

That's not how they told us to do things in Operation Get Behind the Darkies

Nicholas Allen
Nicholas Allen

It's hard to tell, seeing the amount of anacephalic burgers on this board.

Landon Martin
Landon Martin

burgers
/a/
That is unusual.

Robert Martinez
Robert Martinez

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/muvluv/images/c/c5/Meiya_alternative.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130726001429

Christopher Flores
Christopher Flores

He really is hopeless isn't he

What the fuck happened to Katia

Jacob Howard
Jacob Howard

Rather
burgers
being capable of cerebral activity

Liam Scott
Liam Scott

It's not my fault I'm stupid, those other people are the ones who are really stupid.

Whatever makes you feel good about yourself, I guess.

Brandon Smith
Brandon Smith

you will never wake up to a naked, sweaty Iris

Angel Ortiz
Angel Ortiz

How does providing an explanation make someone stupid?

James Robinson
James Robinson

Because your explanation is stupid, and rather than take responsibility for your own stupidity, you continue to insist on blaming your own stupidity on the supposed stupidity of some nebulous other. Having an excuse doesn't mean you aren't stupid if your excuse is in fact also stupid.

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

Their relationship didn't really cross into the romantic as strongly. Ironically, they behaved more like siblings.

Isaiah Long
Isaiah Long

No I literally meant where is she. If Lise retconned Theo into having a painless death then that still lives a double ahoge shaped hole to be filled.

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

KS update when

Ryder Flores
Ryder Flores

happy ending
:_;

TDA 04 when

Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

I've been out of the loop for a while. Did Altered Fable ever get a translation?

Camden Hill
Camden Hill

If Lise retconned Theo

There's your explanation, do you sincerely think Lise cared about retconning the one girl who pretty much stole the imouto spot from under her?

She probably was in the AGE office all like "Yeah, I want Theo to die. You guys can do anything you want with Katia, I don't care about her"

So AGE has never confirmed in-fanfic that Katia is dead, it's vage just like in real life, we simply don't know what happened to her, therefore, Matress-kun cannot bring her over.

Bentley Hill
Bentley Hill

Why do you like gretel?

Elijah Cox
Elijah Cox

I love how Gretel appeals to me so much.

Commanding but cute
Long, dark hair
Megane
Perfect tits and ass

Would marry and repopulate The Fatherland with

Ethan Johnson
Ethan Johnson

it did but only the meiya,sumika and kashiwagi route got translated

Jose Jones
Jose Jones

that frown turning into a smile
Was he healed?

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRPyeLV9h2w

Aiden Parker
Aiden Parker

do you sincerely think Lise cared about retconning the one girl who pretty much stole the imouto spot from under her?

Actually, if my limited knowledge of the LN serves me at all, it said that Lise was sorta upset because she actually liked Katia.

Ethan Powell
Ethan Powell

Why were there so few baters shown to be killed during the final episodes when they were getting hit by rounds fired from guns that is used on battleships?

David Scott
David Scott

Because muh TSF

Ryan Foster
Ryan Foster

It will be, but it's going to be Takeru finding and resting in piece with Sumika.

Jeremiah Martin
Jeremiah Martin

but he already rested her in peace in TDA . And crushed her brain. as mercy...they dead man

Logan Wilson
Logan Wilson

I mean Takeru will die and be with her in death but in piece.

Asher Roberts
Asher Roberts

——————Theo, why would you choose to be with Iris [over me]?
If I was theo, I would choose Beatrix any day.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

Before crushing it, Did he found out that the brain in the tube was sumika?

Benjamin Gutierrez
Benjamin Gutierrez

Supposedly after he survived operation 21 alone, he learned what and who was that brain in the tube belong to. He also probably know that the brain was the special package that JFK was carrying coupled with Yuuko's reports. Beside that brain tube had that metal compartment, and kurogane won't cry on some random brain if he knew it wasn't special to him.

Colton Howard
Colton Howard

Maybe if Beatrix was blonde, you would.

Carter Reed
Carter Reed

what card game is this stuff even from?

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

Brunettes > Blondes.

Nicholas Walker
Nicholas Walker

I agree, but Theo doesn't.

Now Jurgen or Walter don't discriminate too much based off of hair color.

Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward

I like blondes, but Iris does nothing for me for some reason. I would choose Beatrix over her based on personal preference alone, but on that ranking I must disagree with you.

Jeremiah Flores
Jeremiah Flores

Next Answer.

Sebastian James
Sebastian James

Oh you goddamn Chinks, I can't hate you guys.

I think Theo and Bea is cute as fuck, really. That said, it's gonna be suffering regardless, but it's just such an odd relationship that it'd work. It's like Theo and Anette really, except different.

If I was any good at art, I'd draw something I have a perfect image in my mind's eye of.

I just hope there is a secret route...

Beatrix said after a slight delay, a slightly mischievous but happy smile spreading on her face.

Dammit ;_;

Colton Morales
Colton Morales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq7bD3tg7-Y

Parker Hall
Parker Hall

Good, good.

Aaron Williams
Aaron Williams

Theo and Anette makes more sense, honestly.

This though would be particularly interesting to see though. Obviously uncomfortable-being-teased Theo slowly realizing he has the digs for the Stasi commander, while Beatrix has an internal battle as she realizes her teasing has gotten out of hand and she's developed feeling for a male that isn't Jurgen.

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

Does it have vs. TSF combat as well?

Logan Young
Logan Young

Honestly, Beatrix would have a great dynamic with the majority of the cast.

Daniel Kelly
Daniel Kelly

Looks better than expected.

Levi Foster
Levi Foster

Irisdina makes me want to mindbreak her into becoming a fedora-tipping atheist quoting Dawkins at every opportunity

Christian Flores
Christian Flores

So you want to make her even more bland.

Luke Cooper
Luke Cooper

I want to bully her until she loses all faith.
Or at least becomes a Satan worshipper as an alternative.
ask Iris out on a dance
turn the music on
it starts out alright, and she starts bobing her head to the song
suddenly the lyrics full of praising Satan kick in
Just imagine her face

Carson Bailey
Carson Bailey

Why is Anett so un-cute?
She looks like a boy.

Benjamin Jones
Benjamin Jones

Her cuteness mostly died with Inghilde.

Samuel Baker
Samuel Baker

Maybe it is because you are a massive faggot.

Jonathan Green
Jonathan Green

Homu a shit

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

They complement each other very well.

Hudson Gutierrez
Hudson Gutierrez

those thickness
fucking when

Ryder Wilson
Ryder Wilson

Fatty!

Cameron Foster
Cameron Foster

Pregnancy

Daniel Allen
Daniel Allen

Making cute babies with a cute girl!

Ian Smith
Ian Smith

You a shit

Liam Nguyen
Liam Nguyen

Beatrix is always cute, mate.

Kevin Thomas
Kevin Thomas

What is this? Is this shit translated?

Gavin Brown
Gavin Brown

Then you better put a ring on that finger first you heathen.

Benjamin Stewart
Benjamin Stewart

I want to bully girls with Axmann!

Julian James
Julian James

I bet you really miss sadist anon's stories huh

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

Theo's retribution on Beatrix was a bit of a letdown desu.

Eli Parker
Eli Parker

It was always like that user, and most likely will continue being so.

Asher Robinson
Asher Robinson

When Ketchup and Schmidt are way more charismatic than Beato, you know they've fucked the anime up.

Joshua Wilson
Joshua Wilson

I haven't fleshed anything out, but in the epilogue i wrote while I had a tantrum, i mentioned that Ursula did in fact come in through the interdimensional mattress

She arrived after Alfred Strachwitz came through, and was all mopey because his daughter wasn't there


so maybe they did get another retcon


but i also mentioned that Ursula Strachwitz didn't look anything like what people expected when she arrived


so maybe she looked like this.

Ryan Morgan
Ryan Morgan

But I laughed as well.

Luke Sullivan
Luke Sullivan

So, Axmann was right?

Charles Lewis
Charles Lewis

getting hit

Going back, it looks like they were mostly just firing the big turret-mounted guns off into the air - given how high the wall was, they would have needed to use either a negative or nearly vertical angle of elevation to hit something within a couple miles of the fort.

Hudson James
Hudson James

You mean Beato was right.

Easton Sullivan
Easton Sullivan

Suddenly the refugee hunting policy doesn't seem as bad.

Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

Axmann is just realizing the ideals of Abel Brehme after his daughter killed him.

Hunter Brooks
Hunter Brooks

Homu a shit

Homu a shit.

Christopher Collins
Christopher Collins

I want to beat Gretel up

Christopher Morales
Christopher Morales

Homu a shit

Homu a shit.

Homu a shit!

Jaxson Green
Jaxson Green

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rcc7xgD2dM

You a shit
I repeat you a shit

Hudson Morris
Hudson Morris

I'm not sure how good a comparison that is. I'd expect something a bit more like this might be in order.

Kayden Campbell
Kayden Campbell

If Ursula ever grows a mustache like that, we have much bigger problems on our hands than the BETA

Nathan Carter
Nathan Carter

Are you a buttmad sayakafag or something?

Final Update on the Madogatari Polling Results for all days:

1. Shinobu
2. Homura Akemi
3. Senjougahara
4. Kyouko
5. Madoka
6. Hachikuji
7. Hanekawa
8. Sayaka
9. Mami
10. Sengoku

https://twitter.com/MADOGATARI

Hunter Brooks
Hunter Brooks

It would have been funny if she'd been mindbroken by all the superior firepower happening during operation Neptune.

Joshua Price
Joshua Price

No, we're talking a Gretel, the exact opposite of pic related.

Noah Moore
Noah Moore

Stay mad

William Fisher
William Fisher

If you were Beatrix, how would you have handled the whole situation with the stasi, BETA, moderate rebels, and Iris? Remember, you're still mad butthurt and depressed over Jurgen too.

Luke James
Luke James

Fucking kek what a twist

Ryder Ross
Ryder Ross

But she is the solider from the useless terrorist state.

Anthony Gutierrez
Anthony Gutierrez

fuck DDR population, let`s all die defending the euroshlomo like good goyim

Lucas Cruz
Lucas Cruz

Not really, but Abel was apart of the Berlin Faction. One of the reasons he soured on the whole stasi idea was probably the Moscow Faction taking over and moving the stasi in a much more ridiculously evil direction.

Carter Cooper
Carter Cooper

I'd hand it over to Katia because she's better and actually sane

Blake Rivera
Blake Rivera

Remove beato.

Carson Watson
Carson Watson

Like she did?

You're telling us to tell you "what would we do" but then you tell us that we're also enduring the very things that led her down the path she took in the first place. Like, what the fuck are you asking us to answer with when you also give us no wiggle room?

Zachary Ramirez
Zachary Ramirez

Mostly the same, but putting a patsy in power, trying to reduce the body count and having Iris die in combat instead of wasting her talent. After all, a more horrible death than getting CHOMPED is hard to come by.

I see you are back at false-flagging Mr. Cohen.

Charles Gray
Charles Gray

Yes, and then Katia hands you and everyone in the Werewolves over to Suzy/Iris because those two are such great fucking people who've promised to take care of you.

Brayden Green
Brayden Green

good goym keep serving your Rhine-Westphalia bankers overlords

Luke Ortiz
Luke Ortiz

Good, I probably deserve it

Robert Williams
Robert Williams

You can still do a lot within those stipulations though, like deciding to overthrow the stasi leadership yourself.

Dominic Clark
Dominic Clark

Iris would probably just lock you up and leave you "to rot while she realizes Jurgen's ideals." Suzy would be the one you'd have to worry about.

Elijah Scott
Elijah Scott

Remove Suzy

Henry Richardson
Henry Richardson

stipulations

What are they, again?

Lucas Lee
Lucas Lee

That's exactly what Beatrix was in the process of doing when Katja and Heim moved on Berlin.

Owen Moore
Owen Moore

What makes Gretel so punchable?

Jonathan Ward
Jonathan Ward

th-thanks rebels

Carter Young
Carter Young

Would Katia really be that stupid?

Carter James
Carter James

Hand it to Ketchup just for fun.

Jace Bennett
Jace Bennett

Yes, but he said removing with the implication of not implementing something worse.

Sebastian Taylor
Sebastian Taylor

Yes

The rebels are the good guys, ok

Wyatt Cook
Wyatt Cook

She was stupid enough to want to defect to Stasi-controlled East Germany, despite being the daughter of a general who tried to overthrow the government, because she wanted everyone to get along.

Owen Nguyen
Owen Nguyen

And somehow the story bends over backwards to always show that she's the one who's in the right.

Aiden Fisher
Aiden Fisher

defect to Stasi-controlled East Germany

There is no world or situation in which this is ever a good idea.

Jack Kelly
Jack Kelly

She allied with the rebels who are led by a psychopath like Lucy in the first place.

These are not the nice good-guy rebels you see as the good guys in movies when they're fighting against an evil government. think more Bioshock Infinte rebels, who when they had their rebelion proceeded to kill burn and rape everything within sight.

Adam Roberts
Adam Roberts

and incite a revolution in the middle of the BETA attacks

Nicholas Stewart
Nicholas Stewart

they're fighting against an evil government

This part, at least, is inarguable. They are fighting against an evil institution.

Christopher Bennett
Christopher Bennett

That's the worst part, she is the only character who's ideals remain untouched and unquestioned
Do you mean that there are not like the brave afghan freedom figthers from Rambo III?

bugger

Christian Lopez
Christian Lopez

I think a lot of that was to save her friends. Promising democratic reforms and complete regime overhaul despite only being in the country for roughly 3 months and not understanding really anything was way worse.

Camden Ross
Camden Ross

Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters

Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

The point is that just cause they're fighting an evil institution does not make them "good Guys" just assholes with a different opinion on how shit would be run

Lucas Gomez
Lucas Gomez

That's the worst part, she is the only character who's ideals remain untouched and unquestioned

The whole scenario is challenging her ideals. I don't see how the fact that she remains steadfast is such a bad thing.

Camden Brown
Camden Brown

Who let a 15 year old to take control of a country?

Charles Allen
Charles Allen

So they executed and tortured a few stasi, big deal, they probably deserved it any ways.

Justin Bennett
Justin Bennett

They shot NVA members who didn't like the fact that they were left hanging for some brats stupid dream.

Samuel Rivera
Samuel Rivera

She is either genuinely stupid, incredibly naive, a really really bad spy/agent sent to incite a revolution, or the best fucking spy to ever incite revolution while playing the role of a really really bad spy.

And I highly doubt it's the latter two, so that just leaves the first two.

Yuri Orlov, plz stop selling those guns.

Christian Flores
Christian Flores

It was during her big speech. Once something is promised, even if it was just by your propaganda icon, it's nearly impossible to take back.

The ironic thing is is that most of the "free" countries aren't even really that free in ML because of the war they've been fighting. They're basically in a permanent state of "war powers".

Jonathan Rodriguez
Jonathan Rodriguez

This shit again. Yes, it is accurate (though note that they never actually called themselves any of those things) but the statement by implication that everyone opposing a repressive institution is therefore worst is factually incorrect.

Mason Scott
Mason Scott

The whole scenario is challenging her ideals
Except it dosn't

She from start to end keeps the view of "Unite Germany and sing Winds of Change" despite not knowing what's really happeing in the DDR

Gabriel Bell
Gabriel Bell

You can't claim to be better than the people you're fighting if you reduce yourself to their methods. Sure, who cares? it was the Stasi and those shitstains had it coming but at the end of the day the fact they killed them just shows they're the exact same people, just under a different banner.

The right thing to do would've been putting them on trial, just like they did the SS at the end of WW II, those fuckers deserved to die, they didn't because the allied forces chose to be above that.

Jaxon Robinson
Jaxon Robinson

they probably deserved it any way

This is correct, now were going to have some butthurt stasifag come in and complain about how that makes them even worse than the Stasi torturing and killing innocent people.

Which is always hilarious.

When, how many, and under what circumstances?

They're basically in a permanent state of "war powers".

Which have never been as dramatic as you imply in the modern west. Also, if we want to play that game, then the Communist powers have also managed to find a way to get worse.

Jack Morris
Jack Morris

Reminder that they probably desecrated Beatrix's body and hung her in their central plaza for everyone to see.

Brayden Lopez
Brayden Lopez

t. Libyan rebels
Where there's a will, there's a weapon
People will always find ways to kill eachother. even if the had to restore to sticks and stones
But I applies to SM

Brayden Torres
Brayden Torres

Theo awoke again as the sunlight crept into the room. He looked over at the girl lying next to him. He's not sure what he expected, but it's not what he sees. Iris looked less the peaceful, slumbering beauty he always imagined, and more like someone pulled the batteries out of a toy and tossed it on the floor. She was sound asleep in a chaotic pile of blankets, limbs, and hair, with all three poking out at odd and somewhat unnatural positions. Theo smiled, as he sat up in bed.

"I guess I'm not dreaming after all. I don't think I would have dreamed of seeing this. Not in a million years."

As he sat up, Iris let out a violent snort and stirred awake. She tried to sit up herself, only to realize that her left arm, upon which she had been resting her head, had fallen completely asleep. She shifted her shoulders gently until it was properly aligned with her body again, and then grabbed her left wrist with her right hand, pulling the senseless arm over her breasts. As she got herself straitened out, she gradually became aware of the man sitting beside her. She gave him an exhausted smile, which slowly transformed into a blush as she realized that the two of them were stark naked. A somewhat unfamiliar stench drifted through the room.

Iris took a deep breath, "I can't believe we were both sober for that..."

Theo looked down at the blonde girl lying beside him, and since he couldn't think of any thing else to say, settled on a simple "Merry Christmass" before rolling back on top of her to start his day off the way he had always dreamed of.

Ryder Brown
Ryder Brown

You clearly don't understand what the word 'challenge' means. The fact that she did not compromise her ethics like your waifu did in no way means she was not challenged. That's a large part of what heroism is.

Wyatt Anderson
Wyatt Anderson

Using civvies as cover then decrying when the stasi do the same shit later
Torturing people while complaining about the stasi doing the same shit
Blatantly ignoring the rules of war and threatening to torture and murder someone for bringing it up
Forcing a brother to shoot his own sister to prove his loyalty when the stasi do the same shit

There seems to be a lot of parallels really, even down to the way both sides have their own "spiritual pillars" in the form of Katia and Beatrix.

Connor Myers
Connor Myers

Suzy stop shitposting

Also, see how different where the reactions to Saddam's and Ghadaffi's exectuions
One was after a trial (even if it was controvertial a trial nevertheless) and more "clean"
While the other was just beating up the guy and shooting him which make you look as bad as the ones who where fighting against

Tyler Hughes
Tyler Hughes

All this politics and infighting

They're all fucked anyways, better to get out while you can than waste yourself getting fragged by BETA, rebels, or Stasi.

Eurofront is a clusterfuck.

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

At least take a Gatorade break, onii-chan.

Speaking of which healanon, did we ever get Lise's reaction to the prospect of Iris becoming her sister-in-law?

Ian Evans
Ian Evans

Apply the same level of scrutiny to the Stasi, please.

Why do you want this? Is it your fetish?

But I applies to SM

You apply it to SM, but the comparison is not accurate, because they are most certainly far less bad than the Stasi for the vast majority of people.

Christopher Lopez
Christopher Lopez

shilling for the murderers of glorious Saddam
To oven with you, kike!

Both were monumental strategic fuckups.

Asher Perry
Asher Perry

Don't forget sticking knives up his ass.

I wonder if Theo did the same thing to Beatrix now that I think about it.

James Martin
James Martin

She stand up to Suzy and told her to stop torturing and executing POW's and she was threatened to be shoot as a colaborator
Katia didn't do shit about that

I wish Gretel BLAM'd Suzy
Getel route never ;_;

Owen Morris
Owen Morris

Killing Saddam was a mistake but the presentation was better in the eyes of the world
The rebels went full Mussolini on her

Carson Walker
Carson Walker

The spiritual pillar to half the NVA was hanged like a piece of meat for public display.

And the reunification went off without a hitch, they claim.

Hunter Cooper
Hunter Cooper

You're a good guy Gretelfag, I hope Martyrs will be kind to you
And kind to me too

Jason Mitchell
Jason Mitchell

Using civvies as cover then decrying when the stasi do the same shit later

The scale is a bit different in a couple of ways, but sure.

Torturing people while complaining about the stasi doing the same shit

See, this requires the premise that torture is a binary; either you have never done it, or you have and are thus exactly as bad as anyone else who ever has.

It's an absurd level of abstraction and a ridiculous double standard.

Blatantly ignoring the rules of war and threatening to torture and murder someone for bringing it up

Great sample size for judging such a large movement. Nothing wrong with this evaluation at all.

Forcing a brother to shoot his own sister to prove his loyalty when the stasi do the same shit

She was a war criminal, probably accessory to actual crimes against humanity, and a danger to everyone. Forcing him to be the one to execute her is a poor decision for practical reasons, but she needed to die.

Gavin Campbell
Gavin Campbell

Iris disobeying party instructions again?

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

Th-thanks saint ursula

That's why in 2001 the DDR goverment-in-exile still exist and it's lead by Secretary General Gretel from Cuba

James Ward
James Ward

And the reunification went off without a hitch, they claim.

This wouldn't impeded it. The reunification going well requires public support, and it's not like Beatrix was at all not hated outside of the Stasi.

Matthew Cruz
Matthew Cruz

You have better chances than me, don't lose hope

Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

It really feels like Katia doesn't earn her ideals. Other characters go through all sorts of shit and their ideals are constantly being put under fire. And who turns out to be right about nearly everything, despite only having been in the DDR for a couple of months and not having really been put to the test but Katia.

Juan Wilson
Juan Wilson

These are not just white people but Germans we're talking about. They aren't sandniggers who will devolve into anarchy and barbarism a the first hint of an opportunity.

Gabriel Morgan
Gabriel Morgan

t.nazi.

Colton Bennett
Colton Bennett

You really want SM to be a black and white tale of good vs evil, don't you? The baddies aren't just supporting a bad system, but are unsympathetic and monstrous individuals who do evil not for any rationale above being evil while the goodguys are all just, fair, and right about everything.

Dylan James
Dylan James

You could also argue that she was right because she was right. Beatrix's 'principals' are exactly how you wind up with the Army Of Worst Oppressors Than the Last Guys stuff, and Lise was acting out of self-interest rather than an ideological position.

Dylan Brooks
Dylan Brooks

Really, Katia just rubs me the wrong way. As flawed as everyone else is, and as much as they struggle to find a meaning or purpose, Katia just is right.

Juan Bailey
Juan Bailey

No, but I want to kill this absurd notion that it isn't at least grey and black.

The bad guys are bad people, and they do support a horrific regime, and if you actually knew any history you might not be convinced it's so cartoonishly unrealistic. Or unrealistic at all.

Cameron Gutierrez
Cameron Gutierrez

Look at, say, France. After the French Revolution and the Committee of Public Safety bullshit, you'd expect it to still be a third-world shithole, at least based on the present track record.

Instead, they managed to recover enough to wage an organized war against the rest of the civilized world.

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

I don't think having an organization where every single individual is a serial killer/sociopath is very realistic, considering they only make up a small percentage of the overall population and don't work well at all with one another.

Landon Morales
Landon Morales

So does it also bother you that the American Revolution was so short on purges, betrayal, ethnic cleansing, and moral compromises?

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

No, but I don't really view the American Revolution as a struggle between good and evil but a political one. Additionally, I think both sides had their points and both sides had bad people (but most were just normal people for the most part).

Gavin Clark
Gavin Clark

Well you had Beatrix and Axmann. They didn't see eye to eye but climbed fast in the hierarchy because in SM Stasi apparently, the more you were moraly depraved, the faster you are recognised and provided results.

Easton Rivera
Easton Rivera

at least grey and black.
Your argumentation doesn't really make this point come across.

not be convinced it's so cartoonishly unrealistic.

In order for a state security apparatus to operate like the Stasi does in SM it needs more backing than what it is shown in the series. It is utterly unrealistic that it has such "freedom of action" and it is still incapable of nipping a military rebellion in the bud or finding the daughter of a former rebel leader.

Parker Sanchez
Parker Sanchez

That was actually sort of the genius of Stalin's government. It did a very good job of distributing culpability (real or perceived) such that it was extremely difficult to participate without starting to feel like you had blood on your hands (and there was a good chance you did), or without getting purged.

And then once it came time for you to do something terrible, you'd be reminded of what you had already done (and what could happen to your relatives and acquaintances), and a lot of people went for it. Human beings are capable of horrible things, but groups of people are capable of much worse.

The group is still made up of people, though.

The other things to consider are that if viciousness and brutality are successful in the organization, then the more moderate people get sidelined or killed, so after a decade there aren't any lest.

Nathaniel Ward
Nathaniel Ward

Yeah, usually, for such organization to exist, they need to have a power base of some sort, and retardedly evil groups who punch babies for no reason, than make a big deal about it to everyone aren't going to have much legitimacy for very long.

Angel Ross
Angel Ross

The BETA provide and exceptional threat environment and make it much easier to justify things to large numbers of people, assuming you create a constant narrative of how much you do to keep the country alive. Plus, the inevitable material consequences of your poor leadership can be dismissed as wartime privations.

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

This. Same with the Romans when they invoked decimatio and made soldiers stone/kill their fellow brother-in-arms.

This sort of thing does indeed enforce discipline. It's not the prospect of killing the enemy that scares you, but that you might have to kill your friends.

I'm convinced that one day someone is going to apply this politically to great effect. "You spoiled kids think you're entitled to democracy? Well now you have a chance to practice it in action!"

1 in 10 odds.

Juan Robinson
Juan Robinson

There are limits to what people can rationalize or endure, and the retarded evil of the Stasi in SM is either overblown by the unreliable narration or well covered up in universe, to manageable levels. Otherwise such blatant wastes of manpower and resources would long ago be stopped or the Stasi leadership replaced.

Or well, bad writing.

Brayden Sanders
Brayden Sanders

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New thread!

Thomas Morales
Thomas Morales

There was an interresting begining of a fix-fic were Theo was a Stasi informant because his father was under the later custody. To bad the story user stopped, I think it had much potential and Theo's ''caretaker'' seemed to have an well though personality.

Luke Wright
Luke Wright

Mmhhhm, does that fix-fic have a name?

Owen Wright
Owen Wright

I wish he didn't stop. I was looking forward to Katia and West Germany Lise imouto tag team.

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