Why is Incest so hard to get right? We all know Oreimo failed, but it's hardly...

Ian Lee
Ian Lee

Why is Incest so hard to get right? We all know Oreimo failed, but it's hardly the first example.

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10169180
http://www.medicaldaily.com/kissing-cousins-everything-you-didnt-want-know-about-incest-and-why-inbreeding-isnt-321650
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding_avoidance
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1#.TtZburIr2sp
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1
http://exhentai.org/g/575878/c9f14f272d/
http://exhentai.org/g/584883/f159387923/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction
Jacob Bell
Jacob Bell

Cause it's inherently wrong, you goddamn redneck.

Matthew Williams
Matthew Williams

Give more examples.

Yosuga no Sora.

Liam Perry
Liam Perry

inherently
elaborate

Christopher Davis
Christopher Davis

Oreimo is incest done wrong
Oreimo failed
Nope, it's great.

Lincoln Howard
Lincoln Howard

What anime do you like gaylord?

Sebastian Young
Sebastian Young

it's inherently wrong
Not more wrong than homo

Evan Morgan
Evan Morgan

SS sisters, sempai.

Carter Gomez
Carter Gomez

I thought Koi Kaze and Ore no Imouto were both pretty good. Oreimo had a much more interesting cast of characters, but Koi Kaze really hit the emotional bits pretty well. I like Koi Kaze's manga art better than OreImo's anime but it feels unfair to compare them that way.

Questions for OP, or anyone:
Why did OreImo fail? Why did you like Koi Kaze?

Sebastian Davis
Sebastian Davis

I'm sure you're an expert on what manner of incestuous interaction is correct and which isn't.

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

KissxSis
Himouto
Onii-chan no koto nanka zenzen suki janai
Onii-chan dakedo ai sae areba kankei nai
Joukamachi no Dandelion

Gavin Perez
Gavin Perez

first one is drama second one is shit

Xavier Myers
Xavier Myers

Yeah. This.
homo
Defective genes don't make it back into the pool.
incest
Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects

Literally worse than faggotry.

Grayson Morgan
Grayson Morgan

Onii-chan no koto nanka zenzen suki janai
the artstyle was too boku no pico for me

but I do agree on the other ones, there's also another one, I don't remember the name of, I don't think I saved it after watching either, but where some rich guy has to choose a wife before he graduates highschool or something, and a bunch of girls want to marry him because he's super rich, but it turns out that his secret stepsister is also attending that school and he doesn't know who it is and has to pick someone to marry without picking her because then he won't get the inheritance and the family will be ruined or something

that one was pretty funny

Jose Smith
Jose Smith

True love.

David Anderson
David Anderson

Read the manga then. The art is better.

Nakaimo?

Parker Hughes
Parker Hughes

we have a sense of what's fucked up and what's not and incest falls in the fucked up category and your or any other neckbeards opinion doesn't matter as they are too in that fucked category you fucking mouthbreather piece of shit

Dominic Martin
Dominic Martin

There is no logical reason why incest is bad.

All you have is emotions and bluster.

Sebastian Wood
Sebastian Wood

incest done right
siblings who never saw each other, thus there's very little taboo holding them back, since for them it doesn't feel as wrong as if they had been raised together

incest done wrong
siblings who grew up together and were raised as siblings who fall in love for each other

In reality Koi Kaze is barely incest.

Adam Peterson
Adam Peterson

Are there any decent incest manga/anime where the sister is older?

Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

There is no logical reason why incest is bad.
As long as they don't get children I guess.
But even then it is weird and disgusting.

Camden Diaz
Camden Diaz

doesn't matter

Lucas Price
Lucas Price

found the bigot

Hunter Brooks
Hunter Brooks

Nanoka doesn't get enough attention, despite being a complete QT

Liam Carter
Liam Carter

It's right because it logically possible. Do you even Westermarck effect?

Juan Bell
Juan Bell

Like SAO but not at all and better.

Owen Sullivan
Owen Sullivan

Oreimo only failed because it failed to even begin to squeeze 12 volumes into 24 episodes, minus the OVA's. Characters were reduced to "literally who" status due to almost never appearing, and certain important character (Sakurai) didn't exist at all. Kirino's tsun was jacked up too far, as well
The Koi Kaze anime was pretty good, the artstyle felt a little weird at times, but the voice acting was great, and the music, as is usually the case in incest adaptation, was nothing short of godly. The only thing I didn't like was the hamfisted attempt at implying difficulty for Nanoka and Koushiro

Kayden Perry
Kayden Perry

Not worth shit.

Juan Murphy
Juan Murphy

Do you even have a sister?

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

Defective genes
You can't say which genes is good and which is bad, because there is no end goal
Also incest is common practice for animal breeding

Jose Howard
Jose Howard

is that what your mom told you when you asked why others are better than you?

Hudson Nelson
Hudson Nelson

What did tyrone tell you?

Wyatt Garcia
Wyatt Garcia

I don't know who tyrone is, probably your dad or something if you are asking after him

Isaac Flores
Isaac Flores

No but the Westermarck effect has no scientific backing, it's just something that may or may not occur. Hence the "effect".

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

Himouto is not an incest manga retard

Henry Williams
Henry Williams

Tyrone is your mom's boyfriend.

Ethan Clark
Ethan Clark

Too old

Ryan Wood
Ryan Wood

Could you kill yourself along with your nbr shit?

Xavier Powell
Xavier Powell

HImouto
What the fuck are you smoking

Jack Perez
Jack Perez

Incest done right

Camden Russell
Camden Russell

Westermarck effect
Every living being in animal world takes a big crap about that pseudo-science shit.

Joseph James
Joseph James

it's right because they don't feel wrong about it

Jaxon Butler
Jaxon Butler

But even then it is weird and disgusting.
emotions and bluster

Benjamin Perry
Benjamin Perry

But Koi Kaze had inscreen sex scene between siblings, Oreimo only had offscreen.

Jonathan White
Jonathan White

While defective homo genes don't directly make it into the pool, the faggotry spreads because of acceptance and gaylords raising kids.

Evan Hernandez
Evan Hernandez

nice one

Eli Howard
Eli Howard

Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects

As with any sexual reproduction.

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects
So having sex with a woman over the age of 45 is wrong too. Having sex with a smoker is wrong too.

Cameron Torres
Cameron Torres

I would say those that are more busy giving fanservice to the viewers than telling a story. For example SAO, it's only about the fanservice, in Koi Kaze the fanservice is minimal (MC smelling imouto's bra) because it is busy telling a story. Fanservice isn't bad as long as it isn't the main focus.

Colton Adams
Colton Adams

Incest
I'm in

Robert Murphy
Robert Murphy

Are you part of the group who decides what counts as pornography and what counts as art?

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

Ruri was robbed

Fuck Oreimo

Isaac Richardson
Isaac Richardson

Joukamachi no Dandelion
Wait, Dandelion had incest?!?

Gabriel Sanchez
Gabriel Sanchez

No, I use common sense.

Xavier Butler
Xavier Butler

Idiot.

David Howard
David Howard

caring about genetics when all sorts of defective people breed

Call me when we start up eugenics.

Michael Garcia
Michael Garcia

Doujinshi > in anime nicest

Christopher Adams
Christopher Adams

I'm not even in the pro incest camp but why?
The only reason its weird and disgusting is because you've been taught that it is.

That aside, inbreeding is counter-intuitive to evolution so its likely that animals and humans would naturally avoid it. However, if your blood is the only blood in town, you haven't got much choice.

It seems to me like one of those things that a bunch of societal leaders decided would be best to taught to advance the growth of human society. It certainly isn't naturally gross or weird though.

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

Crushingly dumped her boyfriend all for the sake of melodrama, driving him straight to Kirino
Yeah, no

Josiah Clark
Josiah Clark

NBR, fuck off.

Ethan Powell
Ethan Powell

Koi Kaze is animated drama. Oreimo is typical otaku pandering anime.

Thomas Jackson
Thomas Jackson

Every night, like animals.

Jose Rivera
Jose Rivera

Go make another thread if you actually care.

Thomas Mitchell
Thomas Mitchell

The only goal of all life is to reproduce successfully. Incest has a higher chance of that failing.

Jonathan Jackson
Jonathan Jackson

Not him but you fuck off, NBR doesn't belong here and it never did, you are the only trying to force it in here.

David Cook
David Cook

Only if you have defective genes.

Alexander Robinson
Alexander Robinson

Does this trigger you?

Caleb Young
Caleb Young

incest can't be right desu

first post, truest post

Jeremiah Nguyen
Jeremiah Nguyen

This is an incest thread, you might have some ground in an Imouto thread but not here.

Caleb Moore
Caleb Moore

This
Not the purest love imaginable
Fuck right off, tripfag

Christian Brown
Christian Brown

Actually Kana imouto is kinda ok because it's only said at the very end to obviously avoid censorship or possible publishing problems. Shit like KissxSis or other harem series with a token "imouto" can fuck right off.

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

Weren't you that faggot whining in a loli thread about how you want to kill all the lolicons? Go kill yourself.

Jose Gonzalez
Jose Gonzalez

Plus, they only say it once in the climax, and never bring it up again, so you can pretty safely ignore it if you don't like it

David Moore
David Moore

Shoujo get incest right because they know how to play on the taboo and the oh-so-wrong charm.
90% of incest in shounen/harem ln/vn has no substance behind being a character description.

Ryder Cook
Ryder Cook

He is also posting sadfrog and other shit memes from other boards. Nobody should ever reply to him.

Luis Cooper
Luis Cooper

Let's have a vote.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10169180

The only people that care about NBR are the ones that don't have sisters.

Robert Morgan
Robert Morgan

Yeah, it's like YnS having a "bad ending" in the anime and Oreimo having the siblings "break up", it's just to bypass those retarded jap laws regarding public decency or whatever it was.

Fuck off shitposter.

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

Sauce?

Christian Powell
Christian Powell

You have to be older than 18 to post here.

Nathan Bell
Nathan Bell

Fuck off, you faggot. NBR isn't Incest and it is shit.

Thomas Russell
Thomas Russell

The "bad ending" is debatable, because the twins go off together, happily. They just leave behind a tangle of confused and hurt feelings, mostly in the butthurt Kozue, who was far more upset than Haru's actual girlfriend

Parker Hill
Parker Hill

Been a while since I've seen these stickers. Isn't there also an orange one, that also says something like "I want to be your only girl"?

Luke Edwards
Luke Edwards

Daily Lives of High School Boys
This scene also shows in the anime

Jack Reed
Jack Reed

why so rude? i'm just speaking out against the sickos of Sup Forums

Jaxon Edwards
Jaxon Edwards

Would you stop loving your sister if you weren't blood related? How can you call that love.

Evan King
Evan King

I wonder how things would have gone if Fushimi had gotten his way with the Oreimo anime finale, with the simple change of Kyou kissing Rino on the lips, and not the cheek. I know it was a product of executive meddling, but would it have made that much of a difference? We've already seen them kissing before, and it's pretty evident, even in the anime, that they still love each other

Chase Sullivan
Chase Sullivan

forgot trip :/

Wyatt Morris
Wyatt Morris

Is Copyrighted Material a good anime?

Nicholas White
Nicholas White

Probably not too differently, people would still complain about the pairing being forced, about their favorite girl losing and about the ending being too inconclusive and abrupt. We'd just have a bit less shitposting in Oreimo threads.

Ryan Wilson
Ryan Wilson

each successive generation has more physical disfigurements than the next

Hell yes done right

Bentley Taylor
Bentley Taylor

/A/
:/

Fuck off, you retarded tripfag.

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

Dude shut the fuck up for once. Judging by your typing style I'm sure you're the same guy from the imouto threads. We get you don't like NBR, but time should have taught you there are some people who do or just don't care about it. Contain your autism, no one is forcing you to like or watch NBR stuff.

Elijah Phillips
Elijah Phillips

Won't be a problem as long as they don't successfully fertilize he female.

Charles Rodriguez
Charles Rodriguez

Until Kanafriend comes along to trigger him, he's usually pretty quiet about it. It's almost funny watching it go back and forth

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

Would you stop pushing NBR? You've been pointed out numerous times why it is shit but if you're goal is to be a shitposter then you're succeeding.

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

I can't tell if she is happy or not. I doubt she is going to end up with glasses though from what I've seen of the series.

Ayden Johnson
Ayden Johnson

I'll never stop.

Nathan Wilson
Nathan Wilson

Yet another cancerous wart infests Sup Forums.

Lincoln Walker
Lincoln Walker

Liberals are shit.

Aiden Williams
Aiden Williams

And you aren't? You are getting so worked up over it that you're arguing with someone you don't even know about the merits of whether or not someone sister is related to them or not. Maybe you're the autist here

Jack Long
Jack Long

It's not perceived as disgusting only because we're taught it's wrong, it's also a result of natural instincts. That doesn't make it wrong though, and contraceptive methods make the evolutionary argument null.
Saying it's "wrong" as a result of one's personal emotions is irrational and childish.

Ryan Campbell
Ryan Campbell

Nevermind, found it.

Chase Phillips
Chase Phillips

That's really god damn cute

David Edwards
David Edwards

Is the oreimo LN anymore conclusive than the anime? I know that it's supposed to be better all around in terms of expressing what's going on. I know they said they had to cop-out there in the anime, and I guess kind of in how the series concluded in the LN due to that shitty law, and that the author said it was a complete Kirino victory, but I was wondering if it actually has more details on what happens at the end. As in, does it contain more implied fucking, relationship stuff, etc.

Ryder Gray
Ryder Gray

Ah nice. I was just about to say, yeah there is but I don't have it. Thank you user.

Brody Bennett
Brody Bennett

Got this and the kiss at the end was on the lips.

Owen Evans
Owen Evans

In terms of implied fucking, it pretty much comes out and says it.
So --- I and Kirino
From brothe and sister, we became lovers
The next day, 5:00 in the morning
The chirping sounds of the birds --- that's impossible in this cold weather, but the lazy atmosphere of the morning filled the room. I casually laid my body on the chairs. On the other side, my little sister was sitting on the bed, wearing a bathrobe
We --- didn't look at each other
.............
.............
A strange silence lingered between us
.....No, no, no. It's not like ---- we brother and sister did something strange!?
I'm telling the truth! Really! Although we said that we would take some references from this eroge, but when it showed an H-scene the atmosphere between us became very embarrasing!
Afterward, both of us had a feeling "Do, do you want to?
Say...! As a narrator, I don't have to tell you everything!

Christian Hughes
Christian Hughes

With the After Story yes, it is more conclusive.

Aiden Wright
Aiden Wright

The ending itself is quite similar, what makes the LNs a lot more conclusive is all the context and narration the anime left out, even going back all the way to early S1. For example themes like "it's fine because we're siblings" and the meaning of "life counseling" are far more prevalent and recognizable in the novels. Also there's the After Story which is rather unnecessary but makes it clear once again they are still together.

Logan Nelson
Logan Nelson

Which is exactly why Koi Kaze is incest done right.

But you wouldn't know that because you're a pleb who started watching anime sometime post 2010.

Mason Gray
Mason Gray

Plus the afterstory tells us, in no uncertain terms, that Kyou and Kirino are fucking, because Kirino is bragging about it to Ruri
(Ruri)......I'm completely convinced by what you said just now. Why, if you lost that beautiful face of yours, the only thing remaining would be that bitch heart of yours, after all”

(Rino)What part of me are you calling a bitch!? Just what are you saying to this super pure otome Kiririn standing in front of you!”

(Ruri)...... pure?”

Kuroneko tilts her neck in doubt. And then, mutters with a scary low voice.

(Ruri)All the women who dare to brag about their love life before me are bitches, all right?”

(Rino)Wait! I haven't be, be, be, be, been bragging at all, you hear!”

(Ruri)Yes, you have. Why, specifically speaking, that Sunday last week----”

(Rino)Da~~! Sto~~~~p! You can't talk about that! You definitely ca~~n't!”

Noah Clark
Noah Clark

he actually believes that
he doesn't think Kirino NTR'd Kyousuke with Chad and that's what she's bragging about

Cooper Ramirez
Cooper Ramirez

Does Koi Kaze teach that it's wrong? I don't really remember that. The anime made it seem like it worked out pretty well for both of them at first. The problem was more so that other people had a problem with it which made their life harder, not that the thing itself was inherently wrong or hurt them somehow. They helped each other out a lot actually.

Dominic Jenkins
Dominic Jenkins

Implying Kyou would stand there and listen to it if that happened

Jose Scott
Jose Scott

Damn, that's much more than I would have hoped for. Good stuff.

Yeah, that's what I heard, there's a lot more characterization. Looks like I'll have to go and read it then. Is there an official release? Quick glance at amazon didn't seem to show one.

Hudson Long
Hudson Long

Nao was just a straight up freak and chill. She would have threesomed if Sora was up for it.

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

This can pretty much sum up Nao's reaction in the anime
What's that noise?
Oh, damnit, he finally realized he loves her
Oh well, I hope they're happy
Wait, is Kozue going to fucking hyperventilate?
Now I want a doujin with Nao, Haru and Sora, with Sora trying her best to one up Nao

Charles Johnson
Charles Johnson

He's just shitposting in a very pathetic way. Also I'm glad to see my fellow Oreimofans are still alive and kicking.

NanoDesu for the first 6 and a half volumes and BT for the rest. Though Nanodesu has shut down their blog due to a takedown notice and I don't know if someone here uploaded the pdfs/epubs to mediafire.

Daniel Morales
Daniel Morales

incest thread A.K.A. Oreimo and YnS general
Everytime

Logan Johnson
Logan Johnson

That gif is so heartwarming.

Cooper Sanders
Cooper Sanders

all the butthurt in this thread because OP correctly labeled Oreimo garbage
As expected, fans of that series are complete idiots.

Tyler Hall
Tyler Hall

Oreimo has it's moments

Nicholas Perez
Nicholas Perez

Yeah it does.

Oliver Brown
Oliver Brown

Okay, thanks, I'll look around for them then.

Evan Foster
Evan Foster

Can anyone even come close to him?

Matthew Wilson
Matthew Wilson

Truly an inspiration for all.

Carson Rodriguez
Carson Rodriguez

You really have to throw away morality to have as many kids as Tomaru.

Easton Price
Easton Price

Every time I see this I think RNC.

Ayden Martin
Ayden Martin

i don't remember watching this scene in s1 or s2. Is this an OVA ep or something?

Ryan Flores
Ryan Flores

If haven't seen the ovas after s2 you should right now.

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

It's the final scene of the last S2 OVA. They're chock full of cute little moments

Juan Hughes
Juan Hughes

I just want an onee-san to suffocate me in her breasts while hugging me. How can I get one?

Juan Nguyen
Juan Nguyen

Oh dang well i should probably watch it then. But i feel like its been too long now, like im too late for the party to fully savor it

Wyatt Scott
Wyatt Scott

You're never too late. Just go and enjoy it

Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

Does anyone know where I can find the raws of the non-H Ane Naru Mono series? I saw them in a thread a few months ago but I can't find it on the archive.
Also will anyone ever translate it?

Adam Bell
Adam Bell

The story made it so nothing about the relationship seemed healthy. However everything about it seemed beautiful.

Jason Thompson
Jason Thompson

Me thinking about my imouto

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

tfw constant public erections because the image of your naked imouto waiting for the dick is burned into your mind

Daniel Mitchell
Daniel Mitchell

Why do animals not give a fuck about the said biological something that's supposed to make them not want to fuck their siblings?

Easton Ward
Easton Ward

Because they're fucking stupid and have no sense of morality or consciousness or societal mores?

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

Some animals actually prefer other partners than their relatives.

Michael Harris
Michael Harris

Why is Incest so hard to get right?

Forbidden love is only interesting if it's dramatic, but it's easy to cop out and simply write characters that are casually in love with each other.

Charles Wright
Charles Wright

no sense of morality or consciousness or societal mores
stupid
Kek.

Jordan Carter
Jordan Carter

ok

Nathan Gutierrez
Nathan Gutierrez

But faggotry and pre martial sex are ok?

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

He's a full-blown rapist, and that's basically cheating.

David Cooper
David Cooper

???

When did I say anything about those? The question was "why don't animals care about incest" and the answer is because they have no understanding of the concept, and thus have no opinion about it.

Ian Robinson
Ian Robinson

But I asked about the supposed biological whatsitsname that should make them avoid it
Since you argued outside of biology I assumed you changed the approach

Andrew Richardson
Andrew Richardson

They only breed close relatives in captivity.

Christopher Wright
Christopher Wright

You're talking about Westermarck which is not biological, so you're just making yourself look stupid.

The idea behind Westermarck is that growing up with someone makes it more difficult to see them in a sexual light (basically). That obviously doesn't apply if you're an animal with no real level of conscious thought.

Gavin Clark
Gavin Clark

No, i've seen people saying there's a biological factor to it
I asked because we already know the westermarck effect is bullshit

Cooper Kelly
Cooper Kelly

erm...... are u guys arguing with bioscience or humanity/social science?

Brayden Russell
Brayden Russell

Is there a good article about it? I'm surprised no one ever posted one

Ryan Gutierrez
Ryan Gutierrez

random internet faggot on Sup Forums has discovered the true meaning of life

Somebody should call the newspapers.

Chase Powell
Chase Powell

I started asking over bioscience, there's no much point otherwise

Hunter Nelson
Hunter Nelson

the true meaning of life is to find excuse to live on

Nicholas Richardson
Nicholas Richardson

Alcohol, pills, and cigarettes?

Camden Nelson
Camden Nelson

yeah, the excuse to escape and muffler the excruciating pain of living
everytime you went to sleep, our heart, our brain, our body and soul literally scream for life-ending and transcendence, that's why we dream

Isaac Williams
Isaac Williams

http://www.medicaldaily.com/kissing-cousins-everything-you-didnt-want-know-about-incest-and-why-inbreeding-isnt-321650

MODS sticky this

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

Stop posting pseudoscience garbage like you know what you're talking about.

Caleb Rogers
Caleb Rogers

He's talking about a real, well documented genetic aversion in animals to avoid inbreeding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding_avoidance

Chase Rogers
Chase Rogers

In some circumstances, incest is a necessity and multiple studies have shown that offspring of distant relatives are actually healthier than the general population.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1#.TtZburIr2sp

Henry Butler
Henry Butler

the excruciating pain of living

Come. You live in a first world country. Stop being a pansy.

Brody Clark
Brody Clark

distant relatives
it is not considered incest though

Gavin Butler
Gavin Butler

the very pain of living is to find excuse to keep on living and finding the self-destructive method to keep away from the mental disabling thinking on death

Jaxson Watson
Jaxson Watson

I want to thank you but come on man, that link just explains why it's biologically bad. It even says the mechanismm is just an hypothesis

Carter Nguyen
Carter Nguyen

it's the year Heisei 28
people are still talking about abstract morality
If two people consensually have sex there is literally no one being harmed. It's easy to prevent impregnation with contraception nowadays, so the genetic argument doesn't really stand, and one day through screening techniques and genic therapy maybe we'll be able to fully prevent and fix potential defects.

Two sibling fucking might disgust you and might disgust me, but one's personal feelings don't prove anything nor give anyone the right to deny someone the freedom they have as human beings.

Jack James
Jack James

Responding only to the post
Not bothering to read the article to put the post in context

According to Stefansson, the reason that related couples were more biologically successful may be because these couples have "just right" genes when combined — not too similar, but not too dissimilar, either.

Why do you hate love user?

Daniel Sanders
Daniel Sanders

Two sibling fucking might disgust you and might disgust me

Or it might be incredibly arousing

Ryan Nguyen
Ryan Nguyen

Incest doesn't imply inbreeding.

/thread

Nathan Smith
Nathan Smith

If two people consensually have sex there is literally no one being harmed.
One of them has an STD.
One of them can get pregnant and the child will be retarded.
One of them will have their anus ripped open.

There are loads of things that can go wrong in various forms of consensual sex.

Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

"The take-home message is that ... we, as a society of [the] 21st century, have basically ruled against the marriages of closely related couples, because we do not look at it as desirable that closely related people have children," Stefansson said. "But in spite of the fact that bringing together two alleles of a recessive trait may be bad, there is clearly some biological wisdom in the union of relatively closely related people."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1

Gabriel Flores
Gabriel Flores

Kirino and Kyousuke spent years ignoring each other before the start of the series
pretty much all of Kirino's friends weren't even aware of Kyousuke's existence
the series is actively about Kyousuke learning about her even

It's the same shit in principle

Juan Allen
Juan Allen

It should still be illegal
Not for biological or moral reasons, but to avoid domestic abuse
Parents are able raise their children however they want after all

Easton Cox
Easton Cox

can some /sci/ pull some journals?

Noah Price
Noah Price

Yes of course, but it's assumed both parties are willing to trust one another or take their chances.

Xavier Lopez
Xavier Lopez

Stefansson added that, as globalization continues to offer people great diversity in the selection of distantly related partners, perhaps the number of children born in the world will decrease: "Globalization will probably result in marriages of more people of different ethnic groups, but according to these observations, that will decrease the number of children born in this world," Stefansson said.

Camden Lewis
Camden Lewis

Incest doesn't imply inbreeding.
Incest without inbreeding isn't even interesting. I mean that's the whole controversy in the first place.

Jaxon Hernandez
Jaxon Hernandez

abuse
consensual

Daniel Harris
Daniel Harris

One of them can get pregnant and the child will be retarded.
My God when will this fucking meme die?
Genetic problems happen after GENERATIONS of inbreeding.
One generation do not have any problems.

Jordan Butler
Jordan Butler

Why is Incest so hard to get right?
Because it's wrong.

Liam Richardson
Liam Richardson

Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects
Incest only produces mutations over multiple generations.

Royalty did it for fucking ages.

Fuck your sister if you want, the odds of your next several generations of family doing the same is slim.

Landon Morgan
Landon Morgan

strawpoll
/a/
Fuck off

Liam Perez
Liam Perez

Inseki is superior to Incest. NBR is much better. It's legal and acceptable, it also doesn't fuck your kids up. The emotional/psychological aspect is still the same.

Nathan Murphy
Nathan Murphy

but officer, it was consensual, RIGHT HONEY?

Brody Lee
Brody Lee

Incest only produces mutations over multiple generations.
Royalty did it for fucking ages.
Inbreeding is what killed royalty - it takes only a handful of generations at most to pretty much guarantee that the child will be dysfunctional.

Jose Sullivan
Jose Sullivan

Egypt

Nicholas Wood
Nicholas Wood

Sicko

Jack Jones
Jack Jones

How does incest being illegal prevent that exactly?
May as well ban sex altogether since what you wrote fits rape scenarios as well.

Adam Russell
Adam Russell

Robin Bennett, who headed the study, told ABC News that the risks of having a child with a cousin were about "2 [percent] to 3 percent" above the average population's risk for having a child with birth defects or mental retardation. She says while there are risks, they're "not as bad" as people perceive.

Other risk factors are higher. For example, there's a 10 percent chance that a 41-year-old woman will give birth to kids with chromosomal defects.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1

Nolan Ortiz
Nolan Ortiz

THIS ISN'T POL, POST IMOUTOS

Isaiah Miller
Isaiah Miller

If you keep it to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd cousins, yea you can pretty much have all the incest you want, and there's actually genetic and reproductive benefits to that.

But 1st degree incest is always really risky, with some recessive genetic disorders being as much as a 50/50 shot.

Michael Davis
Michael Davis

Kirino's tsun was jacked up too far, as well
The reason why I dropped the show

Oliver Jenkins
Oliver Jenkins

It's not a meme. The chances of defects are still higher than average. It's not as simple as dice rolls, it depends potentially harmful genes in the parents. If they both inherited the same one, being siblings and all, the chances are as high as 1/4, which is a lot.

All in all, in the media the risks are definitely overestimated, but they're still there. The problem is there is almost no certain statistical data on the subject.

Daniel Ramirez
Daniel Ramirez

The problem with OreImo anime was too much filler. The problem with the LNs was that there was even more filler.

OreImo is a 6 novel story, a 12 episode anime, max

Austin Jenkins
Austin Jenkins

prevent
The point is not making it easier, like avoiding scenarios where some fuck up raise his daughter to be his fucktoy (depriving her of proper education so she entirely depends on him) and get away with it

Cameron Ross
Cameron Ross

50/50 is mathematically impossible, unless we're talking about X-linked genes.

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

I wish I had a kawaii imouto to have passionate sex with on a regular basis.

Colton Barnes
Colton Barnes

Explain pls.

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson

why do you want deformities so bad

Christopher Parker
Christopher Parker

Could this actually be a literary device I learned in English? Something like faulty narrator? Where the guy telling the story may be lying to us?

He totally boned his sister wow

Jordan Martin
Jordan Martin

Here i fixed it for you OP

Brayden Bailey
Brayden Bailey

Kyousuke was always that. He was constantly saying how much he hated her but kept bending over backwards helping her.

Angel James
Angel James

Its a literary device known as unreliable narrator, Nick from the great Gatsby is a good example of it.

Owen Lopez
Owen Lopez

Fucking bootlicking normalfags, fuck off.

John Diaz
John Diaz

Not normal faggs, we just have sisters IRL and understand that actual Incest is disgusting. and No it being ''2D'' doesn't suddenly make it ok. I wouldn't do something in 2D that i wouldn't be willing to do in the real world.

Nathaniel Collins
Nathaniel Collins

Sure, if "just right" mating patterns between third cousins are your fetish, that study does provide justification for it. It's not even the first of its kind, there are plenty of other studies that show benefits in mating with distant relatives over generations, when recessive lethal alleles are more effectively reduced from the gene pool than in populations that do not commonly practice incest. Generally 2nd cousins or further away, though.

In Egypt full sibling incest was very common even among the commoners. During the Roman era, up to one third of all documented marriages were between older brothers and their younger siblings. It was against the local custom for onee-chans to marry their otoutos, however. Incest was more common in the cities than in the countryside, and the inbreeding depression (lower fertility rates, not "sadness from the realization you just fucked your sister without first offering a sheep to the goddess Isis") is thought to have been quite severe.

Colton Gray
Colton Gray

unreliable narrator

/lit/anon, does GGRM count?

Landon Russell
Landon Russell

Incest was used by nobility to keep the blood puree

Connor Green
Connor Green

Did you mean GRRM(George R. R. Martin)? If so then yes.

Leo Ortiz
Leo Ortiz

Dog inbreeding kind of results in bastardized pups. Just because it's common practice doesn't mean it's not fucked up.

Dylan Ortiz
Dylan Ortiz

I swear, this whole "if you have a sister then you can't like Incest" thing is so fucking stupid and said nearly every thread. I have an Imouto and I fucking love Incest.

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

You do realize that it's actually legal in a lot of the world, including the U.S.? There are multiple states that allow it, and allowed it before things like gay marriage. I think it's absolutely retarded to make laws against it, who gives a fuck how people live their lives, but your point doesn't even stand, since it's not even illegal in a lot of places.

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

How does Martin quality as a unreliable narrator..

Sebastian Kelly
Sebastian Kelly

at least they are unlike the mongol where the successor also retain the concubines including mother

Liam Martinez
Liam Martinez

X-linked diseases (caused by genes in the X chromosome) are inherited by 50% of the male offspring (so 25% of the total offpsring) when the mother is a healthy carrier, (100% of the male offpring if the mother's affected too, but it's very rare)

If the father's healthy, incest does not affect this, but if he's not (and it's not that unlikely if that disease runs in the family) then half of the female offpsring will be affected too (so 50% of the total offpsring).

For the rest, I just realized I was full of shit. If there are multiple sets of harmful allels and both the parents are healthy carriers for all of them, the chances of defects can get pretty high, though I don't know how often this happens (there is almost no reliable statistical data on close-relative incest). When I read that post I assumed there was only one harmful allel (in that case the chances of disease are 1/4)

Brody Green
Brody Green

i feels sad for your imaginary imouto
i heard one can marry his adopted daughter in Murican, true?
the fatfuck forgot some details and treat them as ''unreliable narrator'' when prompt

Evan Gonzalez
Evan Gonzalez

Also incest is common practice for animal breeding
And look at what kind of abominations who life in constant pain it has wrought.
Special dog breeds are absolute cancer
Chickens are bred and fed in such a way they break their own legs with their weight
Cows literally can't life on their own without someone milking them regularly/daily

etc.etc.etc.

Acting like modern domestication is a good argument for incest has to be the most retarded thing I've heard of in the past year.

Kevin Sanders
Kevin Sanders

You clearly have not spent enough time around her. 3D Women are selfish entitled and unreasonable. Even more so if they related by blood, i have 3 sisters. Not just one. So I've had the displeasure of experiencing the whole spectrum. You've obviously not shared a room with your sister or had to be her errand boy and fetch shit for her 24/7.

Jonathan Moore
Jonathan Moore

This. Why do you fucks always spout this shit? You may not like it, fine. But I think incest in fiction is top-tier, and I would certainly fuck my sister given the opportunity to do so.

Carson Miller
Carson Miller

This doesn't concern sibling incest.
And exploitation can still be made illegal.

Jayden Jones
Jayden Jones

3D Women are selfish entitled and unreasonable.

Yup but I still like Incest.Perhaps it is because I'm southern and it is in my blood?

Nolan Roberts
Nolan Roberts

3D
No shit, that's why 2D is different. Just because you want to fuck a cute and nice sister doesn't mean you want to fuck your own piece of shit sister. Are you actually retarded?

Joshua Scott
Joshua Scott

Single sister plebs think they have a stake in this discussion

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Justin Mitchell
Justin Mitchell

we
I have a sister, I feel very uneasy about being romantically involved with her, but I still like 2D incest and have zero problems with 3D one.

Luis Wilson
Luis Wilson

my sister was a bitch so incest is disgusting
Would you shit on Tonari no Seki-kun if the girl sitting next to you in school had been a bitch?

Gavin Butler
Gavin Butler

Myself;Yourself

John Turner
John Turner

I argue why it should be illegal and you not only ignore the pointed issue but says it ok because it's legal in several places
You might as well not have replied

Luis Allen
Luis Allen

So in your opinion, there should be no real negative effect of 3rd cousin incest, or even 2nd cousin incest?

Logan Powell
Logan Powell

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that there are some states that don't have laws against it. Hell, there are some states that let you full on marry siblings and parents. And why not? If they want to, who gives a damn?

Here, how would that even make a difference? Would that make you less or more likely to want to fuck them? If I had more than one sister, I'd probably just want to fuck them all.

Juan Thompson
Juan Thompson

I always felt unreliable narrator is a cop out

Daniel Howard
Daniel Howard

So why do the chances of children being born with a defect go up the older a woman gets?

Jack Watson
Jack Watson

The cake starts to spoil.

Asher Diaz
Asher Diaz

not always

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

It's a cop out if you randomly pull it after the fact like that, especially when the narrator's not even any sort of character. When the narrator is a character or does have a clear personality and motives, then that's different.

Jaxon Hernandez
Jaxon Hernandez

More time for eggs to get fuck ups. Woman are born with all their eggs, the longer it takes to fertilize one, the higher chance something will have gone wrong with it by then.

I was only replying to what you said in that post. As for your other argument, nothing stops someone from deciding to raise their kid to just be single and want to fuck them their whole life either. So saying that allowing family members to marry would lead to sudden spikes in people raising fuck toys isn't logical at all.

Eli Lewis
Eli Lewis

Interested in Koi Kaze. Which should I go for, the manga or the anime?

Robert Young
Robert Young

Because semen is produced daily and eggs are produced at birth.

Indeed.

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

Is Kyon in Haruhi an unreliable narrator?

Jackson Bennett
Jackson Bennett

If we want to be nitpicky, the chances are probably still higher than average, but for 3rd and 2nd degree cousins they're incredibly low. There's no real reason to worry about them more than, say, complications during childbirth.

Andrew King
Andrew King

Is user in Sup Forums an unreliable narrator?

Samuel Edwards
Samuel Edwards

Nah, you can trust us.

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

We need to find a way to legitimize incest.

This is the time to do it, thanks to the jews.

Michael Morris
Michael Morris

I fucking hate Normie's and women hating and laughing at me for no reason

John King
John King

The whole consent thing is grounded over when a person is mature enough for a relationship, but people don't mature the same. Parents and - in a much lesser degree - older siblings have a too much powerful influence in the maturity process. My point is, its not ok to fuck someone you raised/were raised with, blood related or not

Lincoln Gray
Lincoln Gray

Its mainly based on suspension of disbelief, if you understand the behavioral mechanisms of actual women and sisters it becomes impossible for you to enjoy incest. Because your brain keeps sending messages to you going like ''this is impossible she would never act like this, why are you watching/reading this? this is retarded''.

Number of dimensions withstanding, the way characters behave and interact with the world around them needs to be coherent for the viewer or they will feel disconnected and unable to empathize with the story.

Jason Brown
Jason Brown

My point is, its not ok to fuck someone you raised/were raised with, blood related or not
I say that's bullshit, honestly. The actual fucking is not a problem once they're of age to consent, the only problem is if someone wrecks your life by trying to engineer you so that they can fuck you.

Owen Peterson
Owen Peterson

When both the siblings are mature what's wrong with them fucking? And who are you to stop them?

Easton Lewis
Easton Lewis

If you seriously can't handle sisters acting nice in fiction because of how unrealistic it is compared to your sister, I think you need to see a specialist.

Angel Hughes
Angel Hughes

How the fuck do you even watch anime if you have literally no capacity for suspension of disbelief?

Ethan Reed
Ethan Reed

Actually all incest is inherently good

Lincoln Rodriguez
Lincoln Rodriguez

i like when the mods are tolerate.
the verdict will be:

2D: ok,encouraged
3D: suit yourself, no one care

Parker Hill
Parker Hill

Again, you clearly don't find it appealing, but as I stated above, I do have a sister, and incest is one of my top fetishes, and I would have sex with my sister for sure if given the chance. And many other anons say this all the time.

You're free to believe what you want. Luckily, you don't get to decide what others get to do in their own lives.

Dominic Carter
Dominic Carter

I call bullshit. It's clear as day fictional characters often act differently from real people. Going by that logic I should dislike all fiction by now.
It's obvious that sisters don't act like they do in incest-themed works (in most cases I guess), but me being aware of it doesn't make it less enjoyable.

Xavier Lee
Xavier Lee

2D: ok,encouraged
3D: suit yourself, no one care
This.

Gabriel Foster
Gabriel Foster

It greatly makes it easier to get away with it and that's not ok
People who had power over the delicate maturing process of a person shouldn't be allowed to fuck them

Jaxson Anderson
Jaxson Anderson

Sounds about right.

Blake Carter
Blake Carter

I do, its just that any situation in anime that involves incest just completely fails to suspend my belief. Because I've never encountered any that have been executed well enough to, perhaps because of the very nature of the notion of incest itself seems like an impossibility to me.

Not even, I've watched a ton of fantasy based anime.... The issue with incest themed works isn't that they act different. Its that they are COMPLETELY removed from reality.

The only circumstance under which i've ever though an incest story could work is that both characters are raised apart from each other with no knowledge of one another only to meet on later in life and strike

Sisters in anime are generally portrayed like shit, the only anime i specifically remember liking the brother/sister dynamic in was Oregario.

Hudson Thompson
Hudson Thompson

Someone willing to mentally condition someone in order to fuck them over a decade later that would probably do that regardless of the law. If you can convince them to fuck you then you can convince them to keep quiet.

And then, most of the times consensual incest happens between relatives who've grown up apart. What about them?

Julian Carter
Julian Carter

Oreimo
failed
What the fuck is up with this Koi kaza/Kanafag shitposting recently?

Oreimo is one of the greatest love stories ever told and you can't change that. It's not up for discussion.

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

COMPLETELY removed from reality
Not a problem for me, and I even have a sister.

Jaxson Richardson
Jaxson Richardson

Oreimo is one of the greatest love stories ever told and you can't change that.

Kyou wasn't the most likeable character. Pretty bland.

Charles Watson
Charles Watson

The only circumstance under which i've ever though an incest story could work is that both characters are raised apart from each other with no knowledge of one another only to meet on later in life and strike

Spoke to an user on /b/ who had regular sex with his sister from (her) age 13-20 (his) 20-27. He said it wasn't at all romantic at all, though. Just sex.

William Rivera
William Rivera

You're entitled to believe that then, though I disagree.

Isaiah Lee
Isaiah Lee

This was exactly my point
No one else can tell how a person was raised nd stockholm syndrom is easy to achieve on a kid

Andrew Evans
Andrew Evans

You're entitled to believe that then, though I disagree.

This is such a retarded saying

hurr lets agree to disagree

Fuck you.

Jaxson Carter
Jaxson Carter

13-20

''just sex''

B'tard grooms and rapes his 13 year old sister.

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Ian Nguyen
Ian Nguyen

He was just preparing her for the real world

Jose Richardson
Jose Richardson

Araragi and his sisters make a better incest love story than Oreimo.

Besides Kuroneko I never really got the Oreimo appeal. It's a kid being a whiny bitch because someone broke the tsun knob and nothing ever really happens because the author is, like many of his kind, a coward.

They kiss, status quo is restored, she is less of a bitch. 12 volumes for that. Whoo-hoo.

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

What can i say to that? If you're okay with shit writing and shit characters and shit quality anime, then all the more shit to you.

Sure.

If she her goal was to grow up to be a crack whore. She's totally ready for it considering she's used up and loos.

Brody Lopez
Brody Lopez

The fact you have to keep it secred makes it harder to pull and is discouraging. There are definitly loads of rednecks that don't do it becuse of it

And then, most of the times consensual incest happens between relatives who've grown up apart. What about them?
There's no issue then, I'm perfectly ok with it

Josiah Stewart
Josiah Stewart

It's hot as hell in doujins, but I don't understand the rest of you when it comes to 3D.

Liam Moore
Liam Moore

anime has to be realistic, otherwise it's shit
Ok.

Julian Sanchez
Julian Sanchez

Well the user from b was a namefag named Shindol so...

Logan Turner
Logan Turner

What else do you want me to say? You, if you are him, obviously are set on believing that the second people can marry family, we'll have scores of people expressly setting out to create children for the sole purpose of having a relationship with them later, even though anybody could do that now as well.

Sometimes sex is just sex. No need to get your panties in a twist yelling about grooming and rape.

Tyler Mitchell
Tyler Mitchell

He said he did push her in that direction initially, hoping against all hope that it would eventually go places (which it did), but for most of the time was totally consensual.

Ayden Morgan
Ayden Morgan

What else do you want me to say?
Tell him he's wrong and should feel bad about himself.

Robert Butler
Robert Butler

Man you prudes really do put sex on a pedestal

Jeremiah Campbell
Jeremiah Campbell

copyrighted material
he faps to non-free material
wew lad, why??

Jayden Gomez
Jayden Gomez

Besides Kuroneko
That explains a lot. "muh neko" will always be the primary reason for the butthurt and hate that the series gets.

Carter Fisher
Carter Fisher

Some people have had experiences with siblings that change the way they look at them, others have a really twisted view of it all, but everyone has their own circumstances.

Either way, the way that a romantic relationship between siblings is portrayed in anime is rare as fuck in real life, and more often than not it usually really isn't appealing. The stories of OHB and Redline Imouto are only so appealing because we don't really know much about them.

Imagine, it'd probably be harder for you to accept your best friend having sex with his sister/relative. It's a different story when someone you know personally is in question.

Anthony Perez
Anthony Perez

He said he did push her in that direction initially
Oh wow, I have been arguing with this user for a while and now I almost agree with him. It's fucking disgusting.

Matthew King
Matthew King

It doesn't have to be realistic it has to be believable. if it can't manage something as simple as that then its just shit tier and the author is an incompetent hack.

Ironic.

Consensual ''13'' Yes a because a 13 year old girl totally understands a ton about her body and is mentally developed enough to make her own decisions and be responsible for something like say a pregnancy... or other shit like UTI infections, or STDs or having a good moral compass going forwards. Its literally impossible to have sex with a 13 year old as a 20 year old without being a fucking pedo, i don't know whats wrong with your brain user if you can't understand something as simple as that.

Levi Wood
Levi Wood

You guys don't know all sides of the story so stop acting like you're better than everyone else and morally superior

Grayson Gomez
Grayson Gomez

But we are morally superior and you're a dirty sister fucking degenerate that should be publicly lynched.

Samuel Martinez
Samuel Martinez

It's been sometime since I last saw or read it, but I remember her being, very much like the other main characters except the MC (who was just bland), unlikable. But as it went on she was the only one to be somewhat likable, mainly because of how she was around her siblings.

Nolan Jones
Nolan Jones

Sorry, but the sole fact a 20 year old man tried to mentally condition his 13 year old sister into fucking him is enough to make me feel a better person than him.

Brody Watson
Brody Watson

Why? What does that change? People do this shit all the time, how exactly do you think it goes down? You say hey, you want to fuck, and they fuck. Nobodies being tied down.

And I was saying that it can be the way you said, or that it was just sex, like he said, and that they turned out fine, nobody killed anyone, no mental breakdowns, no suicides, and they went on with things. Life's not that dramatic.

Ryan James
Ryan James

He said it started with "secret sharing." Well, first it started with them sharing a bed when they were children, and then her continuing to come sleep with him (prior to her puberty) after they had separate bedrooms. So imagine a 12 year old boy and a 5 year old girl, and then a 15 year old boy and an 8 year old girl. For example.

But when she hit puberty she was really curious about sex and everything. He'd been having "a secret little interest" in her for awhile by that point. So he encouraged her to tell him her related tweenager secrets and whatnot. He didn't really think it was going to go anywhere, but for like two years he just kept moving it in that direction. I can imagine it was easy for him to come across as "cool and experienced" and whatever to her, with the 20/13 age gap.

And then from there it went to "you show me yours and I'll show you mine." And then he said things started moving faster. And, like, I think 6 months after that, they started exchanging oral.

Blake Lopez
Blake Lopez

20 year old man tried to mentally condition his 13 year old sister into fucking him

hot

Camden Anderson
Camden Anderson

I don't see it working.

S1 took a decent approach to the situation. It just needed to cut volume 4 material (with the exception of the last part) and the filler. I'd like the see more of volume 3 material in its place though since that's incredibly important. Volume 5 can go fuck itself in general with the exception of the last few bits.

That pretty much leaves us with 8-9 episodes still. And plenty to cover.

The problem with oreimo is that it starts with two strangers that hate each other and it has to work its way up from there. Pretty much every other incest story has the siblings know each other or at least not hate each others guts.

Brody Thompson
Brody Thompson

post-pubescent
"pedo"

You literally do not know what you're talking about

Jayden Collins
Jayden Collins

It's not defective genes but rather recessive genes that is preserved. These can be good, bad or have no real effect. An example of a recessive gene is blue eyes. If both people involved are perfectly healthy without any recessive genes then the chance of defects in the child is exactly the same as if they weren't related. That is of course just a hypothetical as we all carry a ton of recessive genes and through incest those are magnified, both good and bad, but not by much for the first few generations. It took European royalty hundreds of years of inbreeding before things got really bad.

Brandon James
Brandon James

Well that is certainly interesting.
I'm all for Shuu X Kanade X Akane

Brody Baker
Brody Baker

Or, wait, I fucked up. The "grooming" (if we can really call it that in this case) started at like 11. And like I've mentioned, user said he didn't really even think it was going to go anywhere, but his D was just moving things into that direction on autopilot, even though his brain didn't think it was really going to happen.

13 was when the first started actually fucking. So the grooming was an 18/11 split. And IIRC he started having "perverted" thoughts sometime before he actually started acting on them (by encouraging her to confide in him i.e. become closer to him).

Austin Cox
Austin Cox

Nah, i am sure shes emotionally scarred. Its going to come back to bite her in the ass. Its never ''just sex'' user casual sex can ruin a good friendship, what do you think its going to do to the brotherly and sisterly bond? When your own sister can't feel safe in her own home because she might be pushed down and forced to fuck, or even just implicitly ''asked'' how is she going to turn down her 20 year old brother as 13 year old? She has no choice, therefore it CANNOT be consent. Its rape that user is a rapist and should spend the rest of his life in jail atoning for the horrible crimes he's committed.

Yes your right, hebephile is the technical term here. But lets pretend that semantics are whats important here because you have no argument you disgusting immoral degenerate, people like you made me sad that they've abolished using the electric chair. I'd sure like to give you a round or two on it.

Henry Collins
Henry Collins

Nobodies being tied down
what are power dynamics
I'm not prudish at all, but I think, there must be a line somewhere that must not be crossed.
A 13 year old girl is not mature enough to consent to sex with her 20 year old brother. The guy is a piece of shit for taking advantage of her.

John Bell
John Bell

Don't know if this story is true but it gave me a raging boner

Blake Scott
Blake Scott

Why arent there more anons as reasonable as you, reading some of the other responses in this thread makes me fucking sick.

Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

Better her brother than some random guy.

Adam King
Adam King

Gonna consolidate my posts related to this story:

Continuing:
So user said that they started by giving each other oral. He would do her, and then rub his d against her puss, and she would always say "don't put it in." But then, when she was 13 one time, he noticed she was super wet before he'd even done anything. So he popped the tip in, and she didn't try to stop him. And he asked "does it hurt?", and she said it didn't. And then he went balls deep, and she hugged his back really tightly and started grinding. And he took that as his greenlight. (>mfw)

He said after the first time she was much more open to having sex in all kinds of positions. She never liked anal.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart

Exactly.

Nathaniel Brown
Nathaniel Brown

How about you go leave Sup Forums then cause most anons would be for it. I bet you're the type of faggot that didn't like Usagi Drop's ending.

Colton Young
Colton Young

Congrats for having a conversation with a fan fiction author? Most of these stories are fake..

Nolan Hernandez
Nolan Hernandez

There are definitly loads of rednecks that don't do it becuse of it
Yeah I'm gonna call bullshit.
I seriously doubt making incest illegal will make things easier. The scenario you described is just too absurd, the abuser would have to wait for 18 years to start doing things "legally", and I'm pretty sure someone so fucked in the head would not wait for so long.

Carson Thompson
Carson Thompson

i gotta congratulate you on the effort lad, even i can make such good bait

Juan Lewis
Juan Lewis

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

Lincoln Fisher
Lincoln Fisher

Emotionally scarred, power dynamics, you're both assuming things. I'm not saying it can't be like that. I'm not doubting there are people who are forced to have sex, etc. But I'm also saying that sometimes people just want to have sex, because it fells good. And that's all there is to it. And that things turn out fine.

This honestly sounds like some sort of fan-fic shit.

Alexander Long
Alexander Long

most anons would be for it
Stop projecting.

Benjamin Harris
Benjamin Harris

Oreimo is complete garbage. Anyone who genuinely thought it was a good romance is a really stupid idiot.

Joshua Hernandez
Joshua Hernandez

That's why I said most and not all, you idiot.

Matthew Walker
Matthew Walker

I certainly would have welcomed the development. And yes, Usagi Drop had a fine ending.

James Perry
James Perry

Oreimo saved anime.

Jason Ortiz
Jason Ortiz

Don't know if this story is true
You never know if it's really true or not, I guess. But OP lurked the thread, answering all kinds of questions from anons, and whatnot. And throughout that thread (because I lurked it until he left because I LOVE this shit), his story was consistent. And it wasn't like those shitty wincest fanfics you see, where it's overly descriptive, and sounds like a trash novel written by a horny faggot; to me it sounded like an user sharing real memories.

Anyway. That's my opinion on the subject, and that's the last I'm going to talk about whether or not it's real. Think what you will.

What else is there to say? Just gonna pop everything off the top of my head.

He would usually pull out and cum on her belly. Their mom almost caught them having sex one time; he said "we got too confidant."

Also, actually towards the earlier days of this relationship, he got her pregnant because he was "blasting away inside like an idiot." He said when she told him, he fell on his knees and felt like his life was over. But they went to planned parenthood or something and had the fetus chem nuked or whatever. Planned Parenthood will chemnuke your fetus, no questions asked. You don't even have to show ID. user was really grateful that PP exists.

Luis Edwards
Luis Edwards

It doesn't actually increase mutations from originating. All it does is raise the chance of ending up with homozygous recessives, and homozygous recessives tend to be deleterious mutations that result in malfuctioning or nonfunctioning proteins.
The eggs age and chromosomes have an increased risk of not pairing up or separating as well as they used to. Down's Syndrome is, for example, trisomy-21--having three copies of the 21st pair. There's also another version caused by a translocation of 21 onto another chromosome, but the most common form is the 21st chromosomes not pairing up like they should and two copies ending up in one gamete, whereas another gamete has 0. But only one would make it to maturation, the 2 or the 0.

Noah Martinez
Noah Martinez

What a shit thread. Please don't allow these idiots to start this shit in imouto threads.

Daniel Perez
Daniel Perez

most
I still want to believe some people here are still not so detached from reality to actually think something like that is fine just because it fuels their incest fantasies.
And I'm all for incest myself.

Camden James
Camden James

Just post more cute OTP pictures.

Nathaniel Mitchell
Nathaniel Mitchell

What with everyone encouraging anons to go for when blogshit pops up asking to fuck your sister. I wonder if they want them to destroy themselves or actually get the Imouto route.

Cooper Wood
Cooper Wood

Continuing:

She liked being on top. user said she would often insist on it: "Let me get on top."

One time they had sex in his car. He found that super hot, and came after like 5 seconds.

He posted pictures of his sister in her prime (because all this stuff happened 10 years ago). Her face was blacked out but she had a great PTP body. He said she was really beautiful, and that when they were in public guys would be pretty aggressive with staring. He said that, when they were with her friends, that he had to pretend to be defensive about it, but really he didn't care at all because of what was happening.

There was one of her peers/friends from highschool who commented one time, saying something like "She spends too much time with her brother." But that this one comment was really all the open suspicion that they ever got. Although user thinks his Mom suspected what was happening, but just never said anything. He said he wasn't about to bring it up with her now, to find out.

Jeremiah Cook
Jeremiah Cook

You're just writing erotic fiction at this point. It's pretty hot tho

Jayden Brown
Jayden Brown

This is now an Oreimo/Incest Sad Panda thread, post your favorites if you d/a/re.

Matthew Perry
Matthew Perry

http://exhentai.org/g/575878/c9f14f272d/

Josiah Hernandez
Josiah Hernandez

In terms of story, the one by Ties (takei ooki). Part 1 at least cause part 2 will never get translated.

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

Continuing:

She cut it off with him when she was 20 because she had a boyfriend, and she said it felt like cheating. I didn't question him about it, but user clearly didn't want it to end.

Now user has a gf, and he said he's frustrated because he has a hard time climaxing; he said it takes forever, which had never been a problem before with his sister.

He said that, while they were having sex, she would never initiate or ask for it directly. He said that when she wanted sex, she would wear tight clothes, especially shorts. That was his cue to initiate.

And on that note, one thing that struck me about Anon's story was how indirect their sexual communication was; alot of it was communicated only through specific phrases (like "don't put it in" or "let me get on top"), or body language, like the clothing cues I just mentioned. Multiple times user mentioned his being in a position where he was required to kind of guess or infer his sisters feelings about something, because they didn't just speak directly about certain things.

Caleb Cook
Caleb Cook

Can someone post the one where Kyouseke's dad NTR's every girl that liked Kyouseke.

Joshua Torres
Joshua Torres

One thing is fucking your sister, when she's mature enough another is fucking your sister when she's underage or under the age of consent.

I gotta say that, regardless of the age of consent, incest should not be allowed until 18 to avoid exploitation.

Josiah Gomez
Josiah Gomez

http://exhentai.org/g/584883/f159387923/

:)

Joseph Thompson
Joseph Thompson

Wow you're desperate. Here, take my (You)s and fuck off shitposter.

Mason Collins
Mason Collins

Continuing, pretty sure this is everything:

They never kissed while having sex, or ever.

It was interesting. Because user talked about how one time, during the period shortly after they started penetrative sex, that they were caught up in the heat of the moment, and started making out. But he said that afterwards, it felt really embarrassing to him, and that, the next time they were in that position (him on top, their faces close), she turned her head to the side so he couldn't kiss her; so it seemed like she had also found it uncomfortable. And that, from then on, whenever they were in that position, and he was pumping away, they would keep their faces apart, and, like, not really even look at each other.

I found it extremely strange that kissing became a kind of taboo for them, when both oral and actual sex were not.

Oh, also about oral: she didn't like to swallow, but she did it a couple times, if he asked. She agreed to do it as a favor. He said that's how she put it "Okay. I'll do it as a favor." He thinks she was just curious.

Parker Morgan
Parker Morgan

stop shitposting in a shit thread
Somebody stop him!

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

Okay, actually there's a little more:

Because I got into incest through oreimo, I was almost flabbergasted that user could make it THAT far with his sister, but then never having any intention to move the relationship into a romantic direction. I pressed him about this, and asked him if, going back, and if he could do it again, would he try to make the relationship with his sister more than just purely impersonal sex? It seemed to be the first time he'd thought about this concept. He was pretty clearly still depressed that their relationship ended.

In retrospect, however. It does make sense that, if imouto incest sex really would occur in 3d, that it would much more likely happen like this (impersonal favor-exchange backscratching between siblings), than be all flowery and romantic like my cartoons.

His sister is married now, and has two kids "real proper," he said. (I'd asked him if his sister turned into a huge skank after everything).

Noah Davis
Noah Davis

I wonder why genetic sexual attraction is never brought up in these threads. For anyone interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction

In some stories I read online people claim they felt as if the other was part of themselves, because of the physical similarities.
That's kind of hot.

Easton Allen
Easton Allen

stop kissing
he and his Imouto aborted his child
didn't even end up together
probably completely dead inside

This almost makes me want to cry. Real life is awful.

Tyler Ramirez
Tyler Ramirez

probably completely dead inside

He said he thinks that this experience fucked him up. I mentioned the ED earlier. user also said he was still most attracted to young girls.

I made the suggestion that he consider seeing a therapist about this (while strongly advising him to phrase his condition as: "I fucked my sister 10 years ago and now have ED" and not "I fucked my sister 10 years ago and still want to fuck 13 year olds.")

user expressed interest in the suggestion. I think it was the first time, as well, that he had considered it.

Gavin Gutierrez
Gavin Gutierrez

There is no incest in oreimo

Aiden Carter
Aiden Carter

Stop pretending it is all about some 'anon'. The whole story is bout you.

you fucked your 13 yo sisterf

Evan Butler
Evan Butler

all incest is wrong you redneck

Owen Watson
Owen Watson

違う。

Easton Sanders
Easton Sanders

Also incest is common practice for animal breeding

Are we "Animals" then?

Sebastian Perez
Sebastian Perez

if incest is wrong how come i raped my 3 year old sister?

Ian Clark
Ian Clark

If we come from monkeys, why is incest wrong?
Checkmate animists.

Jason Sullivan
Jason Sullivan

I wish.

I have an imouto (one year younger). Unfortunately, she's a fairly mean and manipulative person. Not attractive. When I was younger, the thought of having a sexual or romantic relationship with her would have been fucking absolutely nauseating. But I like this concept so, so fucking much, that I can actually picture it as a possibility now. It's just the trust she and I have is nothing, nothing like what it would have to be.

Oh yea, one more thing on that note. user mentioned how he and his sister had a really good relationship as siblings. They never fought, before, during, or after they started having a sexual relationship. He said they were pretty much completely normal (but maybe "ideal" is the better word) siblings outside the sex.

Cameron Brooks
Cameron Brooks

Which part of that was incest again? was it MC's best friend eloping with his imouto?

It's been like 10 years.

Gabriel Diaz
Gabriel Diaz

Incest doesn't imply inbreeding.
The point of even engaging in a romantic relation when youre not even gonna fuck

Jaxon Diaz
Jaxon Diaz

Why is there no trust? It's important to build strong relationships with your siblings, and I don't mean it in a romantic or sexual way. Parents do not live forever, and one day your siblings will be the only people you can blindly trust.

Aiden Flores
Aiden Flores

not him but I barely interact with my sister even though we live in the same house
we used to fight a lot when we were kids and now we're pretty much strangers to each other

Dominic Ramirez
Dominic Ramirez

Why is there no trust

We grew up in a shitty household. Both of us were really angry kids, and we fought like animals throughout our childhood. Scratching, biting. In our teenage years (when I should have come to my senses and begun the grooming process), we drifted apart.

By the time she hit her mid to late teens, she had a ton of degenerate, drug addict friends, was fucking around with numerous guys, ect.

Now she's in her mid 20's and while we get along alot better than previously, and don't fight, it's still just far too late to go in that direction. Also, she's still kind of a self oriented pothead bitch, I'm sorry to say.

Nicholas Wright
Nicholas Wright

Nothing is inherently wrong, just a thing, an effect, and your opinion

Owen Campbell
Owen Campbell

Download Oreimo VN
End up Kirino route by accident
Reload
End up gay route
Reload
End up in gayer route
Restart entirely and make every different choice I can
End up in Ayase route
GET THE KIRINO ENDING IN AYASE ROUTE
Reload
Get stabbed to death by Ayase
I'm bad at visual novels.

Brandon Williams
Brandon Williams

Download Oreimo VN
End up Kirino route by accident
I'm bad at visual novels.
Doesn't sound like it.

Nathan Cooper
Nathan Cooper

You can quit now. You pretty much already experienced the best that game has to offer. Maybe finish up Ayase's route. If I'm remember things right, you need an item to finish the Ayase route. Other than that, Kanako's route is ok but only around 30 minutes long.

The game is mostly shit with the exception of like 2 routes. Second game is slightly better but the VNs just feel like pandering gone horribly wrong. More so in the second game than the first.

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

I just wanted to be in a world where Kirino didn't win.

But I couldn't escape. Even when I escaped the Kirino route I couldn't escape the Kirino end.

Dominic Lopez
Dominic Lopez

Well, even in the VN the author tried to make Kirino important and happy in almost every route. She rarely doesn't show up in the endings. Second VN is actually part of what influenced the author to go all the way with a Kirino end.

And the onii-chan should always belong exclusively to his imouto. Anything else would be disgusting.

Caleb Long
Caleb Long

Sounds like deep down you know Kirino is best

Jayden Butler
Jayden Butler

Kirino and her onii-chan are perfect together.

James Hill
James Hill

This must be before they started dating because after Kyousuke would've just dropped his pants and spread her legs

Jackson Cook
Jackson Cook

Is the gay route good?

Aiden Richardson
Aiden Richardson

I wish I had noticed the flags for my Imouto route. She wanted it but I was as dense as a harem protagonist. I know the Imouto route might not be correct but it honestly would've been better than how she ended up.

Connor Myers
Connor Myers

Wait, he did more than one?
Because there is only one in sadpanda.

Christopher Gonzalez
Christopher Gonzalez

There's a new one. The onii-chan is like in a restaurant or something and the imouto calls him to the bathroom and sucks his dick/fucks him there.

Jacob Baker
Jacob Baker

I wish I had noticed the flags for my Imouto route.
Took me a second to comprehend, lol

She wanted it
I would call you a lucky devil, but actually I'd prefer to have never had the chance, than to have had it in my palm, and to have missed it.

Brody Thompson
Brody Thompson

Watching how this world has chewed her up kills me.

Parker Jenkins
Parker Jenkins

Fuck I hate that goddamn ceiling fan

Jason Flores
Jason Flores

I hate her sluttyness.

Lincoln Baker
Lincoln Baker

lol

Fuck off

Ryan Edwards
Ryan Edwards

First post best post.

Adrian James
Adrian James

Is that really necessary, friend?

We've almost come full circle. The edgy/goofy internet /b/ delinquent stint is getting a little old; it's more countercultural at this point (at least here) to be a clearly spoken, polite adult when interacting with others.

Also the holocaust never happened and international jewry is a cancer on society.

Noah Nguyen
Noah Nguyen

I'm glad you're ok with me fucking my Imouto, /pol/.

Hudson Baker
Hudson Baker

No kidding.

Jayden Smith
Jayden Smith

Honestly I wish /pol/ had the sense to be polite and well spoken.

Jeremiah Young
Jeremiah Young

So you're saying the adaptation failed. OreImo was good.

Nicholas Harris
Nicholas Harris

Incest done right
Blood related
Incest done wrong
Step anything

Chase Williams
Chase Williams

This. Even if I like it in my h-manga and doujins, it has no place in actual storytelling.

Isaac Diaz
Isaac Diaz

Incest is the only love purer than yuri.

Alexander Sanchez
Alexander Sanchez

I'm glad I'm not born into a universe where Taro is god, right?

Evan Butler
Evan Butler

yuri
pure

No

Camden Hughes
Camden Hughes

I hope these two ends up together and not with the Minami looking girl.
seriously, what's up with megane girls ruining a good brother and sister relationship?

Elijah Cooper
Elijah Cooper

I don't know why people even label NBR as incest.

Nicholas Bailey
Nicholas Bailey

We are indeed animal.

Wyatt Torres
Wyatt Torres

its not incest, it doesn't have to be. If the writer makes it not dumb then sure, but don't force it.

Hudson Anderson
Hudson Anderson

well, that's true but they do have some kind of tension between them.

Cameron Allen
Cameron Allen

Tomoko and tomoki.

Carter Cook
Carter Cook

I don't like how most of her doujins have really grotesque features and has a lot scat.

Lucas Ramirez
Lucas Ramirez

You know this is makeing fun of Incest.

Joshua Turner
Joshua Turner

It's pretty rare and unusual for people who have grown up in the same household to fall in love, but it happens, and there of course have been instances where siblings (or half siblings) meet and fall in love without knowing they're related. So generations of interbreeding (which is what causes the severe problems) is really, really unlikely - that sort of shit only happened because royals wanted to keep the power in the family.

A baby produced from incest (assuming that this its parents are not themselves products of incest) has maybe a 2-3% increase in likelihood for genetic defects. If that alone were enough to warrant incest being illegal then we would require genetic testing before ANY couple were allowed to have a child. Being anti (consensual) incest could be compared to being implicitly supportive of eugenics.

For the record I never considered myself in the pro-incest camp until I saw someone railing about how gross first cousins marrying is, it made me want to look up why, exactly, incest is "bad."

Joseph Carter
Joseph Carter

This is a specious argument.
When it comes to brother / sister there's an immediate increase in chances of birth defects. You can argue it's not as big as the cumulative effects of long term inbreeding but the fact remains, first generation incest is observably more risky than normal sexual reproduction.

Evan Robinson
Evan Robinson

not supporting both incest and eugenics
You can think genetic disease should be destroyed and also not care of the relation of two consenting adults.

Benjamin Ward
Benjamin Ward

just finished this. I can't wait for the next chapter.
last update was on november 22, 2015
fuck me

Liam Nguyen
Liam Nguyen

If we can find raws, I've people willing to continue it.

Mason Kelly
Mason Kelly

it's not very popular so I doubt we'd be seeing some anytime soon.
it's times like these that makes me wish I was a nihongonese.

James Sanders
James Sanders

maybe we'll get a low budget anime when the incest boom comes.

Jason White
Jason White

it's not very popular so I doubt we'd be seeing some anytime soon.
Then do what I do, post it and get more people to read it. Thats how I found the translator and typesetter.

Nolan Jones
Nolan Jones

I'll probably do that the next incest thread comes.
though the guy doesn't really strike me that bad of a siscon but the sister is definitely a hardcore brocon.

Brandon Taylor
Brandon Taylor

Oreimo LNs are great, only the anime was shit. How is this not common knowledge by now?

I've got all 6 volumes sitting next to me. It's really a mediocre series. The characters are all so bland and annoying that I don't actually want an incest end anymore, and just want Kenji to date the boring girl and the other girls to all leave him alone.

Ian Baker
Ian Baker

does it get worse?
I would actually prefer Kenji to end up with the tomboy rather than megane girl if they don't go through with the incest route.

Adrian Martin
Adrian Martin

I've got all 6 volumes sitting next to me
user, don't tease me like this.

Jonathan Jones
Jonathan Jones

does it get worse?
Starts off ok, volume 2 ended with a really nice "confession" from Fudatuki to the tomboy, and then it just gets worse and worse. They pretty much dropped the weird suppressed feelings Fudatuki has for Kenki and they're mostly just working on living their lives and hiding her secret, with Fudatuki erring dangerously on the bitchy side of the spectrum. How far are translations now? I liked tomboy when she showed up, but I honestly hate her right now. She's insufferable, as are most of the characters. Boring girl actually looks good by comparison. A neesan showed up as well, and she's not great. Mind you, this is coming from a guy who usually loves neesans. I've still got to actually read volume 6, but based on the cover it looks like some new guy shows up who will probably end up being Fudatuki's love interest. Actual spoiler here, have translations gotten to where tomboy is revealed to like non-delinquent Kenji yet? That's been dragged out and pretty annoying as well.

I'm not planning on translating them, I just bought them because I love Takagi and love incest, so I thought this would be good to read.

Gavin Butler
Gavin Butler

source?

Sebastian Moore
Sebastian Moore

Bottom right of first panel.

I meant the raws, other people willing to translate and do the other stuff. I don't expect you to since I assume the process of giving the raws is a lot of work.

Adrian Harris
Adrian Harris

it's garbage, trust me.

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

You have to physically destroy your copy to scan it, and I only scan stuff I plan on translating. And yes, to do not-shit scans does take a bit of time.

Austin Walker
Austin Walker

some new guy shows up who will probably end up being Fudatuki's love interest.
well, thanks for ruining it for me. Now I don't feel so bad that it's not getting translated anymore.
shame, I really like the siblings.

Christopher Thomas
Christopher Thomas

oh snap im blind thnx mang

Owen Davis
Owen Davis

Figured, thanks for the info. I'll just hope I convince someone to get them or run into someone else then.

Asher Baker
Asher Baker

LN fag here. As much as I like incest, Ayase > Kirino.

Caleb Martinez
Caleb Martinez

prepare for "This is a dramatization"

Dylan Kelly
Dylan Kelly

I'm usually against spoilers because people who read summaries and then shitpost threads with incomplete/incorrect spoilers are some of the worst posters on the board, but in the special case of "This series goes in a crappy direction and you shouldn't waste your time with it" I make the exception. I have to actually read volume 6 tomorrow to know for sure. Takagi is coming out in 2 days and I'll probably make a thread to dump it, when I do I'll confirm if that dude is looking like her new love interest. Either way, Kenji is 100% gaa gaa for the megane, and the only other girl he might have anything with is bitchy tomboy.

I'm sure you'll find them on nyaa after a while. Good luck.

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes

dude is looking like her new love interest. Either way, Kenji is 100% gaa gaa for the megane, and the only other girl he might have anything with is bitchy tomboy.
kill me

Samuel Peterson
Samuel Peterson

If it's any consolation, they're all so bland and mildly annoying that I actually don't care anymore. Instead of pain, it's nothingness.

Jaxon Morales
Jaxon Morales

Koi Kaze
good

Isaac Diaz
Isaac Diaz

I'm just gonna hope we'll get better incest in the future.

Logan Turner
Logan Turner

you just don't like it because the dude is fat and ugly.

Dominic Lopez
Dominic Lopez

I envy your optimism.

Levi Baker
Levi Baker

No, because it's shit from start to finish.

Benjamin Wright
Benjamin Wright

This, NBR is just sex between childhood friends, can't get much more vanilla than that

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