What is the lamest weapon and why is it the katana?
An honorable mention place goes to the scythe.
What is the lamest weapon and why is it the katana?
An honorable mention place goes to the scythe.
Comically oversized war-hammer.
it was made by people with cancer, that's why
Yea, if might be pretty practical, but I think they all look pretty ugly.
scythe can actually be a functioning makeshift weapon if you turn the blade to make it look more like naginata.
anything that is dual wielded
staff are beta
scythe can actually be a functioning makeshift weapon if you turn it into something that's not a scythe
only striking with two fists
step up your game user
Bruh, many medieval weapons (especially polearms) are refurnished gardening and farming tools adapted and reinforced for use in battle. That's what happens when most soldiers are peasant levies: they use what they're familliar with and adapt it for battlefield use.
That's also why swords were associated with the nobility: an axe could be used for woodcutting, polearms were modified farming implements, huntsmen would've owned bows and arrows and maces are just fancy clubs. But only a sword was deemed a noble weapon because it existed specifically as a wartime tool and nothing else. And even then knights and samurai alike used it as a side arm, preferring lances (or bows for samurai in certain periods).
Been playin too many vidya OP. Scythes are farm tools, only ever used as an improvised weapon at best.
5. Dual Handguns
The katana is good at what it's supposed to do, which is slicing through lowly armored targets, and being a good-looking ceremonial weapon.
no need to hate something because rabid fanboys smear shit all over it
I mean, it's appropriate that a shit girl has such a shit weapon, but still.
Hurr durr, oh no people go pokey pokey better grab muh sheidl
The katana is so fucking overused.
I'd like to see Malay weapons or weapon styles like the kris, karambit or kali in my chinese cartoons.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK OP!!! GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL THAT HAS BEEN FOLDED 1000 TIMES IS UNBEATABLE AMONG ANY MELEE WEAPON!!
fuck off mudshit
your country is irrelevant
Please, fag. They may be unpractical but they're still awesome in look and such. Stick your shitty western whatever sword up your fat, diluted ass.
Scythe is a farmers tool. Not a weapon you fucking weeaboo.
And have been used as an improvised weapon over the ages
medieval european sword
I want to fuck Cecilia so mercilessly and roughly.
Both my mom and my sister have her name ; ;
Never her VA and coke baby are in japanese jail, unless there was some sort of update to the case.
You know your mission user.
katars are pretty fucking dumb. Who the fuck ever uses katars?
You got it wrong, retard.
Samurais in meiji period
The bow and arrow
Something about the way the Japanese use it and shit makes it look just stupid
Chains. Especially with any kind of specialized item at the very end of them.
God those are dumb as shit.
I like those though, fantasy aspect about them is great, like the dwarven warhammers and what not.
what are warscythes
People here seem to confuse "lame" with "impractical".
But then again, lame is just taste.
Especially with any kind of specialized item at the very end of them.
Flails could be usefull.
any answer besides nunchucks is wrong
Sure, it looks neat in cartoons, but in real life it barely does shit.
am I the only one who wants a main character to have something a little out of the box? like a giant meat cleaver as a weapon?
not liking dual - wield hammers
Shit taste desu.
hardly see anyone but starter antagonists that are first to die to the protagonist in the first couple of episodes with giant warhammers.
Name one character other than Michleangelo that uses nunchucks for non - satrical purposes.
What about whips?
There are people who legitimately think katanas do this.
No, they haven't. You're better off grabbing a branch off a tree than using a scythe.
It's not the weapon but the one who wields it. Read Vagabond if you wanna see good katana action.
Molten and poured iron swords getting cut in half
I wouldn't be surprised if you can make a sword shitty enough that a katana actually is able to do this.
They don't. They DO do this.
NEW CHAPTER NEVER
none. thats why no one uses them retard. theyre lame.
Don't rush Inoue. He's a fucking artist. We can wait. Be patient.
Fuck you,I own a Anderthalbhänder,they are amazing
That wouldn't work even if the sword was made out of wood or even softer materials.
any sword weapon are for edgelords.
Guns is the only solution
Katana could cut other katana, given a skilled wielder behind that cut, but i don't think they have enough strength as a blade to cut any other kind of sword.
Turn scythe blade 90 degrees to make it a more effective weapon
Instantly stops being a scythe
there are people on Sup Forums RIGHT NOW who dislike katana
Halberds, with a huge blunt axehead
Can we all agree that polearms are the best?
An honorable mention place goes to the scythe.
Have your taste buds checked
Can we all agree that the rapier is the cutest sword?
Realistically that'd only happen if it was a good enough blade wielded by a good enough swordsmen against someone who was using a really beat up katana that's on the verge of breaking.
Regardless, you wouldn't want to focus on wailing on an opponent's sword until it breaks but parrying his attacks and going in for the kill.
Either that or dodge and counterattack.
Muslim terrorist hiding in cave (some things never change)
Wont leave with tear gas
Just get a flamethrower
Everyone runs out and gets shot
You'd have to be autistic as fuck to consider wearing plate / chainmail.
Katanas are slashing weapons, so by definition, they are shit against anythign that isn't flesh
also ading throwing knives and generaly anythinf involving cables, graplers, or anything that hangs from a chain
i could understand using a sycthe as a weapon if you came under attack by some fucking wheat
Using a weapon two-handed is perfectly acceptable, but dual wielding is stupid.
Not wearing full plate
Nigger do you even armor?
Is a club/hammer the most effective weapon?
they dont have armour
You break bones and an crack/crush skull
they have armour
You disorientate them with head blows, strikes may cave in the armour causing intense pain and possibly trapping the enemy in that section.
What is a Mordaxt?
They don't seem like they have very long range. How would you counter a spear with a hammer?
You suffer an extreme lack of reach and are much easier to read and counter due to how much force you need to put behind your blows. Your control over your strikes is also somewhat limited. Every weapon has advantages and disadvantages.
Any kind of strings weapon. Those are shit and gay.
Great Sword a best
Range was the only thing I could really think of which is why I've always liked the idea of spears.
I've always wondered if there was any type of soldier who would use some form of bladed gauntlet so they could use their hands to grab weapons disarming the opponent to make them an easy kill.
Scythe looks cool at least.
Find a flaw
You can grab your opponents weapons with regular gauntlets, leather gloves, or even your bare hands if you know how to do it properly. Most weapons are not sharpened to a razor point.
It's not a Franziska.
hating on bows and crossbows
I'll see you at Agincourt.
hes probably talking more about people who use 20 foot long chains with spikes at the end
Yeah I meant the grabber has a blade or spike on the gauntlet so they don't sacrifice stabbing potential but can focus on grappling because they arnt holding anything. If there was a small buckler build into the forearm section of the gauntlet it seems like it may be a pretty effective weapon.
Death row inmates should be used to test these theories in some form of experimental gladiator format.
I was talking about that invisible strings kind of weapon. You know, like the one that butler dude from Hellsing used.
Oh okay. Carry on then.
This are literally the worse unless its a fucking spider since that is their natural weapon.
Crossbows are undeniably the most lame weapon.
I'm getting into archery, does any user have advice for accuracy with a composite bow?
Are there actually any notable characters who use one?
Blade broke a lot in battle, dude, this is why sword are never fought like in movie/series, because it will just broke the blade and turn itself in a strange blunt weapon.
Are there actually any notable characters who use one
That one guy in pumpkin scissors. To bad he dies after like three or so chapters.
Plenty of gauntlets had little metal nubs on them called gadlings. I think they probably stayed away from actual blades or spikes since they aren't particularly more deadly than a gauntlet by itself and likely were easy to pull off or be used by an opponent to grapple you.
A buckler built into your armor wouldn't be particularly useful, since it doesn't protect you much more than plate armor will. Moreover, bucklers are mostly a parry tool, to be held in the offhand to deflect incoming blows, not actually a proper shield.
Sadly I can't help you, user. Good luck though.
My brother taught me how to shoot his longbow. That was cool.
I through scythes were so cool in my youth. It might just be why I picked up SE.
Katana has always been cancer though. Unlike a scythe which is effectively fictional (as far as its use as a weapon [inb4 muh weirdo peasant war scythe]), katanas exist and sucked in real life.
Good point with the blades, I hadn't thought of that!
With the buckler I more meant a larger surface to catch a blade and throw it off course since catching a full force strike could very well break your hand.
honorable mention goes to the scythe.
Who /spear/ here?
Who /shield/ here?
Form the wall brother!
Bet u didn evn kno that
Gets me every time.
still being mad about katanas in anime
folded over 9000 times!
different element sword in each hand
The most effective weapons are always some heavy and unhandy stuff you wouldn't bring with you unless you're going straight into the battlefield, like a halberd or a fucking zweihander. What I'm always wondering about is this:
What would be the best weapon to carry around when adventuring?
Regular arming sword is an obvious candidate, being cheap to replace, very light and suitable for all kinds of situations. Longsword has longer reach and is just as flexible given you know how to use it, but it's heavier and may require two hands to use effectively, meaning no shield or torch.
Then there's axe which can double as tool, and perhaps some kind of machete or knife like a kukri, but I'd carry one of those with me regardless.
And then, what about ranged weapons?
Javelins and shield and a short sword/knife
Can play the stabby game in pretty much all quarters and even throw shit at enemies.
And a blade for misc stuff.
The most effective weapons
Here we go.
The answer has always been spear, shield with an additional dagger/short. They perfected this long ago. Learn.
If you want utility replace the short/dagger with a machette. Anything else is wrong.
and then what about ranged weapons
How broadly are defining that? How replaceable do you need them to be?
If you're adventuring and not a solider you'd be fine with a leather strap and some fucking rocks assuming you had the above equipment. You said you wanted to travel light.
Javelins and shield and a short sword/knife
spear, shield with an additional dagger/short
dual wielding is stupid
The sai (釵)
Dual wielding isn't shit like modern karate isn't a sport
Kurapika you fucking neckbeard
I always imagine adventurer with a spear as this one faggot who can't walk into a tavern without making a fuss because his weapon has two meters, sneering "1v1 me fgt" at everyone and then getting shanked in a narrow street.
I bet you also drink water instead of soft drinks.
Literally an ornament
Literally a farm tool
Dual wielding was used, but wasn't as common as sword/mace/spear and shield, however it wasn't using 2 swords as it is commonly thought of. When dualwielding it was usually using a dagger and a sword, parrying with the sword and shortening distance to use the dagger, it still was stupid cause you had a less steady grip with both of your weapons
This good taste in swords
I like you user
shanked up close
what is drop spear use short
I do drink mostly water but because I'm a poorfag
That doesn't even count, the dagger isn't used as the primary weapon, it's used as a parry tool. I'm talking about people using two weapons and favoring/attacking with both relatively equally.
This type swords haven't any speciality
The only acceptable weapon is the Three Section Staff
She got released.
But it's forbidden!
I also lust greatly about Cecilia from I.S.
That's not how you make a war scythe.
The blade of a scythe is shaped perfectly for a cutting grass motion. The metal is very thin because it doesn't need to cut anything big. The shaft is unhandy for anything other than the sweeping motion you do when you cut grass with it.
Battle axes are different from wood axes.
Pole arms were definitely not multi-purpose scythes.
her weapon doesn't have a personality
wishing to see someone smack the mouth-wielded blade downward and knocking that gayfaggots teeth out
in the 23nd century, someone like you will claim the lawn rake was improvised weapon of the 20th century. also that the nobility wielded leaf blowers
She was raped, right?
look at the scythe tab.
get checked nerd.
The only valid thing i've seen was a medieval italian form in which a rapier was wielded in each hand. But even then your off-hand would favor parrying
tfw used to think katanas were cool until I got into anime and jap games years ago
They ruined it. So few anime and manga actually make me not hate katanas, and they're all period pieces. It's even more perplexing that Japan has such a hard on for katanas when they have so many cool weapons they could masturbate over for that cultural superiority high. The ninja weapons shit are the best, especially that retarded/awesome weapon that's a mini scythe with a ball and chain attached to it.
It's GOAT if it's a huge ripped dude using it. If it's somebody small, or even worse, a girl, then it's shit.
Your favorite. It sucks. Sorry I had to be the one to tell you.
What would be the best weapon to carry around when adventuring?
My vote goes towards a mace, preferably a mostly metal version.
Easy to use
lots of power for relatively little weight
nice mix of blunt and piercing (if you have one with spikes on the end) fucks up even heavy, expensive armor
Easy to maintain
Can have a shield with it
Runner up would be a short spear with a wooden handle or an axe with a wooden handle. Both would be easy to sharpen the metal tip, and you can replace the handle with a sturdy stick in a pinch. The axe could also double as a wood chopping tool, though be prepared to sharpen it a fuck ton in that case.
Best ranged weapon depends on your needs. If it was mainly for combat, I'd vote a short bow since it's easy to transport and not as big of a deal to maintain as a small crossbow, but arrows would become an issue over time since they would inevitably break. If your main concern was hunting then a sling would be best. It would be a bitch to use and you'd only be able to stun/kill smaller game, but you could literally just use random rocks as ammo if need be so you have unlimited ammunition. It would also hurt like a bitch to be hit with, so you could run some good interference in a group setting.
lel chill senpai its just anime
bring this to a fight
enemy becomes confused about your absolutely retarded weapon
zones out wondering how you'll use it
capitalize on his confusion and stab him with a knife
Seems like a good weapon to me.
Reminder the greatest swordsman in Japan, Miyamoto Musashi was defeated in a rematch against staff wielding Muso Gonnosuke. You want something effective against the blade of katana, use a nice stout wooden pole. Also Mushashi himself at age 13 had quarterstaff in duel against a swordsman and beat him to death!
I get katana, but scythe? Even if you think they're terrible weapons, I wouldn't call them lame
This. Scythes are completely badass, even if they're the height of impractical for fighting. Cool>>>>practical any day.
the height of impractical for fighting
The small rice planting ones must have worked pretty damn well, though.
those are sickles right?
yeah but comedy anime is my favorite
I was thinking of the big ass Western farming scythes.
Only one weapon trumps all.
This a weapon thread, not a hentai one you sick bastard
What is the lamest weapon
my face when only 9mm
So what is /a/’s views on Nipponese’s hard-on for Excalibur?
Nah, sickles are the ones with the blade curved into a half circle.
It's GOAT if it's a huge ripped dude using it.
No, it's lame.
Writing-wise they're reducing the character to his power.
In-universe, the character is needlessly pigeon-holing himself. He's already strong, so he could do devastating damage even with a normal weapon. But he wouldn't miss so much because a normal weapon can be swung better.
He ends up being useless against everything but the slowest enemies with the most HP - stone golems and the like.
Scythes are cool when used as staff.
Heard you talkin' shit
Is the knife hidden in the polearm somewhere?
ball and chain
spiked ball and chain
very hard to control and very low attack speed
he can't into poi
It's all momentum control. Given the extent of expertise and bodly alteration British archers achieved I don't doubt it could be used somewhat effectively.
It would be shit in a tight formation regardless, sadly.
Wasn't it mainly used by ninja/covert operatives to begin with? From my understanding it was meant to be an innocuous or easy to hide weapon that would only be used if you had to, not something to be used in large scale combat.
dont move or ill slice you to pieces nothin personel kid
honorable mention goes out to smaller-sword-within-a-bigger-sword
Isn't that basically Ichigo?
a katana isn't really a bad weapon, it just isn't mean for warfare, it's main purpose is slaughtering defenseless peasants. It's probably one of the best weapons in the world for killing unarmed people.
or anyone not ready for a fight, a decent assassination tool
its usage is very specific.
unless you can one shot your enemy in one hit with ball and chain, its pointless even in covert ops.
Anything can be a weapon as long as it has the potential to kill someone. What weapon is the best or the worst is irrelevant because a katana can still cut off someones arm even if it isn't as thick or heavy as a longsword.
Scythes are super impractical, but cool and intimidating.
That being said anyone that isn't supernatural shouldn't be wielding one, since the whole implication is they reap your life instead of crops.
Literally a fucking spear
train all your life using a sword
some faggot who touched the spear for 5 minute can outrange you and kill you
It's irrelevant because it can do specific thing to one specfic person?
Are you perhaps English? Keep banning those knives and forks mate.
I'm American. And you're an idiot. I'm not even sure if you understood the point of my message either.
Spear's pretty helpless 1v1 against a guy with a shield.
Unless you're both wearing heavy armor, then it kinda ties with a two handed sword or hammer.
not parrying the spear
opponent's balance is fucked like a retard
if you really trained all your life you could outplay any faggot with a spear by fucking blocking it with your shield, or if you're stupid enough to not accompany a sword with a shield you can parry it with your sword and hit the faggot in the face with the hilt or even move foward, grab it under your armpit and stab it in the face
like you said, its a fucking idiot that graved the spear for 5 min
no, being a 16-20 something years idiot with some sword training doesn't qualify to say "a whole life of training"
Katana's are inferior to almost every european sword.
Is the morning star the most underrated weapon of all time. Its always great when it appears.
it's like comparing a pistol to an assault rifle m8. swords are obviously outclassed, what did you expect?
actually they do
fuckers in middle east and africa slapped armor plates and put guns on them
you could outplay any faggot with a spear
Wrong. Most spearmen had side arms. Further, as spears are inherently better weapons the best spearman beats the best swordsman as a matter of logic.
This has also been backed up by:
to some extent.
Swords are good, better than a lot of things, but they're also pretty and situational. Spears are all business.
Duel wielding swords
Katana is greatest sword
Flaming arrows in battle
Swords cutting through swords
Swords cutting through plate armor
People literally believe.
as spears are inherently better weapons
Spears are all business.
Most spearmen had side arms.
Apparently, even the spearmen didn't believe that spears were just better in all situations.
potentially implying plate is unpiercable
That's not right. It can't be cut easily but it could be pierced with some luck and effort.
The situation they're better in is actual battle in a war.
That's like saying
gun are inherently better
they kill better and are safer the physical charges
most soldiers have close combat training
Apparently, even modern soldiers don't believe guns are better in all situations.
Dual handguns are one of the few times duel wielding might actually benefit you. Not that much, mostly in ammo capacity, but still. Loads better than two swords.
Apparently, even modern soldiers don't believe guns are better in all situations.
Protip: Guns are not better in all situations.
And guns are even less situational than spears were.
anyone hating on dual wielding swords
Fuck off back to hell
yeah but it will cost you accuracy and whatnot
the only handguns acceptable to dual wield are either matchlocks or revolvers
But this was literally the dumbest shit, you fagbaby
It's got the bloody scythe in the name you bellend.
Next thing you'll be saying is jet planes not being planes, because they don't have a propellor.
Should have trained all your life with a spear then, dumbass.
It's fucking stupid. Having a second sword gives you essentially no advantages.
Those scythe tips look cool but I don't think they have any practical application whatsoever.
i've traded my ability to thrust for an ability to cut
like the rest of the goddamn blade
literally the worst
It's a fucking hunting tool, it's not lame. It's just not battle-ready.
swords can pierce plate armor
I think they can work like hooks.
A standard sword blade can work as a hook and if you REALLY need a hook, half sword it.
it might be a chopping sword kinda like khopesh/yatagans. those weird lumps are there to shift the balance to top
A war scyth is a modified Glaive or Fauchard the scyth name is misapplied
applying your logic pineapples are the same as pine cones because they both have pine in the name and look similar.
What about estocs? Werent they designed to fight against armor?
Dual wielded guns are cool as fuck
You don't pierce the plate, you attack the joints
Looks great yeah, but the fact that you have to swing it to gain momentum to crush makes it pretty niche.
Man you're right! I better throw my history books in thrash, since they are so clearly wrong. Peasant fighters totally had access and knowledge of glaives and didn't just modify what they had on hand to fight.
You could just lop off the unwieldy scythe bit at the very end and you'd get an executioner's sword
Oh it's you again.
War scythes are not modified peasant weapons, a hammered out scythe would probably be turned into a spear with a very brittle blade. War scythes are polearms
The point is to puncture not to cut. The rest of the blade wont puncture anything. Also stabbing is notoriously iffy with swords when wearing armor and you aren't running at each other in a great big line.
I'll throw you in the thrash in a second.
History books are shit when it comes to details.
Estocs were made to pierce the plate itself, although you'd get a better strike with a joint hit. You can pierce plate, arrows didn't get phased out when plate armor became a thing. The arrowheads just got longer, thinner, and heavier.
/k/ would like a word with you.
Stabbing is the only thing you can DO with swords against armor, other than slashing at the joints.
muh realism and practicality
Practicality has nothing whatsoever to do with coolness.
Swords just don't have the strength nor weight behind them to get even close to piercing plate metal. Something as thin as an Estoc would just flex terribly and I imagine, if you poked hard enough and long enough, you'd end up just ruining your blade. Plate armor was virtually impenetrable vs edged weapons. Estocs (and rapier type weapons in general) worked well against plated enemies as they were extremely fast and agile, allowing an attacker to easily find the gaps in a set of plate mail. That being said, there is only a person inside the armor. This is why heavy, blunt weapons advanced steadily alongside plate mail because if you knocked some poor knight in the head with any sort of big heavy block of metal he was not going to be having a good day, provided you didn't already kill him with the concussion.
if I add a bunch of spikes and make my guard REALLY complicated, my sword will be cooler
what is mordhau
glorious nippon steel does it again
/k/ on suicide watch
You'd imagine completely wrong. Estocs are made of a very hard balance of steel, harder than the plate. That shit doesn't flex, if you thrust it into a rock it breaks.
Stabbing with the guard or bashing with the pommel. Most people don't go into battle holding their swords backwards.
arrows didn't get phased out when plate armor became a thing.
Not every opponent would have worn plate anyway.
man i really hate it when people went full >muh realism about anime weapons, which are mostly fictional stories in fictional world with fictional physics and shit
calm you autism down a bit won't you?
Coolness has its basis in form, not function.
A spiky form can indeed be cool. It can also be lame and edgy. What matters is stylishness and overall aesthetic appeal, not what works most typically for a person of typical human size and strength in a fictional setting.
Unless you're some kind of fucking lame historian who's ass catches fire whenever the slightest unrealistic thing occurs in your fictional media, practicality should not be something you complain about when factoring coolness and lameness.
Thank you Bill S. Preston.
this, it's ok to design cool looking things but you have to make sure it looks believeable too
although the "believeable" treshold is kinda high nowadays..
Honestly, pan's are stupid, but when I see em, they're greatly animated
What you call "Cool" is just "Exotic".
An executioners sword looks cool to a lot of people simply because they usually haven't seen one before.
No, this is completely wrong. A sword needs to be able to flex so it doesn't break. Yes, the Estoc was an edge less sword, so it's primary purpose was obviously to thrust. Yes, this would require a harder than normal steel alloy. No, this steel would never be made so hard that it wouldn't flex. It would just shatter the moment you poked something hard. That or it'd jar the absolute shit out of your hand.
The Estoc on average weighed around 4 pounds never getting over 6 pounds. The blades of all the varying Estocs averaged around 1 meter in length. This means that your blade would be rather thin. (very thin, relatively) There is not a steel in the world that could make a 1 meter long sword, weigh four pounds, and be so strong as to not flex yet also not shatter at the same time. If a smith attempted to make an Estoc that didn't flex out of the highest carbon steel, meaning maximum strength with minimum flexage, and it was 4 pounds and 1 meter in length I would be able to snap it with my bare hands. Most people with any bit of strength would be able to.
I meant it doesn't flex against metal plate. And as I said, if you really tried to skewer a rock, it would break before you got a lot of flex out of it.
Estocs could pierce mail armor, but against plate they still had to go for the weakpoints.
(That's not piercing through the plate)
What you call "Cool" is just "Exotic".
Exotic can often be cool, but they are merely associated adjectives, not synonyms. The word "exotic" implies some attractive unusual quality, rather than using "alien" or "foreign".
Coolness is again about aesthetics and stylishness. You can have something be very familiar, and also very cool, and also impractical as shit so long as it looks nice.
For me personally, I don't mind coolness as long as it doesn't completely impede practicality. Often times when I see weapons that can't possibly be useful in any way the fight choreography ends up suffering as well.
anything that can't fuck up a planet
Post an absolutely familiar weapon that is cool.
I suppose that makes a bit of sense, as the Estoc would generally just glance off of plate metal. If you were to hit it squarely, though, then think about it from a physics point of view. Where is all the force you just put into that thrust going to go? You're more than likely not going to dent the armor, as it's a four pound sword and a sword that thin would surely shatter before a breastplate would. So it's either going to go into the blade, which would have to flex, otherwise it'll shatter, or it's going to knock the person you're attacking backwards, which is definitely possible provided that you could push the target with just your hands, or it's going to reverberate back into your arm and, if you're really unlucky, your arm will break or you will dislocate something or you yourself will be forced to stagger back. That or drop the Estoc.
Personally, my bet is on a little bit of everything happening, mostly focused on the blade flexing, channeling the energy you just put into the back of the blade into displacing the metal sideways.
It depends on the type of mail armor. Unlike plate armor, which was a fairly simple concept (solid plates), ring mail historically had all different types of construction. Poorly made ring mail could often very easy be parted by a decent thrusting weapon, but very well made and closely linked rings often were just as effective as plate mail if not more, as they allowed the user to move more freely.
katanas are impractical and unrealistic!
scythes are impractical and unrealistic!
Yeah, cause when I want to escape from reality I want whatever I'm watching to strictly adhere to it cause that makes sense
flashlights are cool
Civilians aren't familiar with "Military" gear, so it's exotic and cool.
Steel 503 lb/ft^3
Blade Volume= (6/503)ft^3
Blade cross sectional area=(6/(503*3.3))ft^2
Blade cross sectional area(6/(503*3.3))*12^2 in^2
roughly=0.5 inch square
Meaning 2 inch wide blade is 1/4 inch thick
Standard short sword dimensions
1.5 inch wide blade is .34 inch thick
Getting up there
1 inch wide blade is .5 inch thick
Actual estoc dimensions
Relatively thin my ass
This isn't the same guy, but I honestly really like swords in general. Not like the big fantasy type, but swords that were historically utilized. Something about them being actually usable is an interesting and alluring concept. The reason I pick a sword over other practical and historically used weapons is because of a simple opinion, honestly. I prefer the decorum of a blade vs most primarily piercing weapons or blunt tools. And contrary to popular opinion here I do actually admire katanas a bit. They're obviously inferior weapons when it comes to the European armory, but I've always been fascinated with the mysterious and seemingly unattainable levels of skill when it comes to a lot of martial arts masters, specifically addressing the arts that pertain to the use of the katana and its brethren.
ornate fencing sword
Not ordinary, not familiar.
I got this as a present, am I cool,Sup Forums?
It's literally just a rapier with a fancy doodad handle. It is unbelievably ordinary and familiar.
What is the point of a cage that guides the point of your enemies blade directly into your hand?
Ornamentation is exotic.
the fuck m8 those things were literally an everyman's fashion accessory until they were replaced by canes
Oh yeah, sorry. I for some reason was thinking of a completely different type of thrusting weapon. The truth about Estocs was that their cross section was generally very wide, usually in the shape of a triangle or rhomboid pattern. That being said, this doesn't really change what I said too much. It, just like any sword, flexed and flexing was a necessary component for the blade to function practically without you needing a new one every time you missed a soft spot and hit a hard one.
Yeah man I remeber in my lifetime seeing lots of ornate fencing swords around.
No it isn't. Now you're just using the word wrong. Ornamentation is aesthetically pleasing, but not foreign in any degree.
Bringing justice into this isn't fair.
To the layman, an ornate sword is exotic. I doubt we have any high nobility from the 1500s browsing Sup Forums
Think of an instance where the enemy's blade is going to be sliding perfectly parallel to your blade, a prerequisite for sliding in that hole at the proper angle to meaningfully damage your hand. Now that you've thought about it, realize you didn't think that out very thoroughly.
Alright, then by this definition all blades are exotic.
To the layman, an ornate sword is exotic
Now you're the one using exotic and cool to be synonymous, because what you would consider not exotic is also what anyone would consider banal. To you, it is literally impossible to be cool without being exotic, because you consider anything you don't see in your daily life to be exotic.
Stop abusing the english language.
Everyone's seen a bog standard sword and have identified it as the "No frills" model.
not dual-wielding Axes
No, you shouldn't dual wield axes.
I don't know, crossbows look faggot-y
muh speed and accuracy
Why fucking cares
Why crossbows in particular
That's an odd thing to dislike
i bet you always play an elf in RPGs
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god damn it guys
I agree, user. Crossbows have always seemed to me the inferior weapon compared to just a regular bow. I'm pretty sure that's how it is historically, too. Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure crossbows only ever really existed for people that weren't already trained/didn't have the physical capability of using an actual bow. Like sure there were some legitimate uses of them here and there, but for the most part they were overshadowed by bows.
Other way around, the crossbow eventually all but killed the bow precisely because you don't have to waste much time training.
Oh, huh. Wasn't the regular bow capable of shooting farther and faster, though? Or was this the case, but the convenience of the crossbow just beat out on the classic bows peak level functionality?
Farther, not faster. Crossbow also had the advantage of punching through most armor.
Practicality>effectiveness in wartime, its why the T-34 was better than the Panther. Even if a bow was better, crossbow means you didn't have to waste nearly as much time training.
Farther and faster (if you use a longbow, which is a pretty unwieldy thing), but again, you needed an archer. Literally anyone could use a crossbow and point and shoot their enemies to death, not to mention carrying a crossbow is easy peasy because of the short metal limbs.
Bows could punch through armor too. Arrows have a lot of weight behind them, look at a wartime arrow shaft. Shits thick.
I thought the crossbow rekt things better at closer distances like armor
true, but you need someone who devoted their whole life on archery to be able to do that
with crossbows any faggot peasant can do the same
Yeah, I'm the other guy saying crossbows nearly killed the archer. But bows could definitely punch through armor and bows WERE faster to ready and fire for a trained archer. But ease of use and carrying cemented the crossbow as a weapon so good that the catholic church apparently outlawed their use against other christians. Because a peasant could kill anyone he wanted with one.
Well I'm pretty sure that was already outlawed with "thou shalt not kill"
Not dual wielding shields
Ha, no. No, no no no. Not at all. The crusades happened.
Crossbows were outlawed because they were a weapon that could kill knights with no skill required. It took a couple days to drill someone into crossbow usage, while bowmanship took decades.
The crossbow didn't take off in britain so much because they had archery tradition. Sunday was grow your fucking back muscles you pleb day.
Not even going to start on your bait about religion though
The application is making you shit your pants as the knight in black armor wielding two hooked swords slaps your waifu on the ass.
Special mention goes to Ciel from Tsukihime.
Then I shoot him with a gun and make an edgy quip about practicality
doesn't like crossbows
Looks like someone doesn't knwo their ins and outs of mountainblade
mocking The Wall
Shield crush is real, man. A heavy shield with a smaller hand held parry type shield could do some damage if you were in close quarters. It would be like that arm lock kill in Maria the Virgin
You're so wrong it hurts.
Wait I always thought dual wielding swords is more reasonable than dual wielding guns, is it not?
Having two firearms heavily impairs your aim but you can still swing a sword around just fine with one in each hand.
user, pick up two reasonably heavy objects and try to swing them both at the same time or one after another. Now do it while holding only one. Then tell me that dual-wielding is practical.
Dwarves, being a mostly subterranean race would probably fight with a gladius and shield, or shield and spear rather than a swinging hafted weapons due to the cramped confines of a tunnel. Sorry for the 'tism user.
Any projectile based weapon since no matter what the target will be able to tiptap among the shoots with ease.
Get the fuck out of here
What's wrong with that?
The crossbow was beloved because you could give an ignorant peasant ten minutes training and he could kill a knight who spent his whole life training. A bow required not only years of training to use well, but also significant strength in the right muscles, whereas any jackass could use a crossbow without issue. It was superior from a war standpoint in just about every way. The bow could fire faster and was simpler to make, but you could field dozens of crossbowman for every bowman.
i have a feeling that all these people in here haven't actually used any of the weapons they are bitching about
Yes nobody has used a scythe here. And neither has any successful fielded army in the world.
wooden sword fighting
I was a rambunctious child.
I actually want to start
HEMA but my car broke down so I can't get there nor do I really have the money ;_;
It Doubles your offensive prowess by increasing your sword count, adding more swords exponentially increases your battle capabilities
Shields ain't actually for pussies.
its pointless to have 2 swords since they get tangled up but to have a short sword and long or long and a knife is good
Can you use something as a weapon? Sure. Should you use it as a weapon when you have a more sensible alternative readily available? No.
We /dsg/ now. Dex builds a shit.
no poise in the game
weapon fighting is less and less realistic
weapon skills to do crazy flips and shit
I'd rather fucking not. Play a good game or none at all.
Apart for giant fight, are weapon skills even worth using? I'd rather have parry ready all the time.
Souls weapon fighting was never realistic. The poise irks me though, it has made straight swords and the estoc basically unbeatable by means other than parrying.
If the user has enough strength, it's the best weapon
Stance for straight swords and the claymore is absolutely invaluable, as high stability turtling is really broken without it. Most "Stomp into attack" arts are worthless with the exception of the fume. "Spin" arts are currently entirely broken because most of them can chain off of any landed attack and usually fully combo for stupid damage, I'm talking 1000+ oneshots. Gimmick arts are mostly garbage and situational with the exception of a handful. Boss soul arts are usually shit, but strangely lightning weapons have some of the best arts in the game.
who cares. It's literally the worst Souls game until they fix poise, and a complete fuck up online anyway.
People will felate and defend it because muh director and now the fanbase has expanded and normal fags are into it they don't know any better.
That isn't irksome it's game breaking. You can fuck up the heaviest armour with the weakest knife. Come on.
The story, tones and boss fights were better than DaS2 but everything else is a new low for the franchise.
It's minuscule though. Like an 8.4 to an 8.2 but it is a little worse, no mistake (of course that measure is without including the poise fuck up, it's unarguably worse with that)
Not really. Very very few scythes have a straight shaft, they'd be so unwieldy that just a straight stick with no blade would be better every time.
Furthermore the blade is not for people cutting and would probably break
I actually think DS3 is as good as 1. Even with the poise fuckup. It's the only souls game I've set my mind on fully 100%ing and following through. I could go back and 100% 1 but seriously that soldier's armament or whatever is a bastard
So have you never used a staff before?
What kind of shielded shut in child were you
Even with poise fuck up it is better than Das 2
No way as good as 1 but better than two
The one thing I really miss is the insane world interconnections with everything leading back to firelink, but the whole "Go to what you see" aspect is really good. Also some of the best bossfights and no insanely bad ones on the caliber of Bed of Chaos or the Tank n' Spank Quartet
Swords are useless. The shit about cutting other swords never happens unless you are trying to cut a rusty damaged sword
swords are useless
Yeah man what do all those armies know?
Most every army from bronze age on up through the roman empire before the proliferation of plate, and then revitalized after the proliferation of firearms made plate obsolete.
Oversized 1h axes, or at least oversized axe heads.
The worst fucking shit ever. I'd prefer dual-wielded katanas or claymores over that shit.
The scythe is not even a weapon in real life.
Swords were not meant to cut other swords.
Swords are not meant to cut metal, period.
Most every army from bronze age
Thanks for proving how useless swords are
Swords are only meant to cut peasants and naked gaylords
You are retarded.
Thanks for proving how useless swords are
swords are useless now so they've always been useless
swords are useless now so they've always been useless
They were useful, until people realized they should wear something during battles.
Spear >>> sword
Oh no, you have to fight a man in a house
Enjoy maneuvering your 8 feet of stick while he stabs you to death with a sword.
Goddamn you really are stupid aren't you?
Is that an Equilibrium reference?
A spear being better doesn't make the sword useless.
Except a house is probably exactly where you want a spear. A spear in a corridor is hard to beat.
What's the matter, OP? You got stabbed?
A house is, presumably, a collection of rooms. Where your opponent can move to your sides very easily and aiming at him with 8 feet of stick will get you smacking walls. I'm sorry if where you live can be described as a corridor.
there are no corridors in houses
Do you live in a favela or something? And does your house not have doorways?
My doorways are typically maybe half a person in width. Not to mention in close quarters you can deflect a spear yourself. You want opponents at max spear thrust length away from you, if they can push your spear to the side and get on you while you have NO other weapons, you are very simply going to die.
Where your opponent can move to your sides very easily and aiming at him with 8 feet of stick will get you smacking walls.
Your argument is that the one wielding the spear is retarded.
And in close quarters in a narrow place, a knife or dagger is better than a 4 feet sword that constantly smacks the walls of your tiny house with no corridors
My doorways are typically maybe half a person in width
That doesn't help a spear how? Spears are for thrusting, not swinging about.
Not to mention in close quarters you can deflect a spear yourself. You want opponents at max spear thrust length away from you, if they can push your spear to the side and get on you while you have NO other weapons, you are very simply going to die.
Except this happens everywhere and isn't limited to enclosed spaces. There are plenty of techniques for the situation where the guy grabs your spear or gets past the point.
On the other hand, you will have a knife, which will be better than his sword once you get in close.
inb4 angry replies
This thread mimics the pattern of a /v/ thread though. See Dark Soul or other ARPG. Fuck off.
4 feet sword
Who the fuck is talking about a zweihander, there are other types of sword you know.
And yes, my argument is that the spear user is anywhere but either a straight corridor or a wide open field.
Saging this fucking thread.
plenty of techniques
Those techniques are literally all "Go for your sidearm (A sword)". You don't pull a retreat in one on one combat without your buddies covering your ass, or the man with a sword will just keep advancing. Yes ultimately a shortsword or knife would be the most ideal but a sword is still more ideal than a spear. in the stated scenario
angry man with autism confuses sage with downvote
Back in my day, it is.
Sage was never downvote you faggot. Sage does nothing, literally.
sage does nothing
This is what 2016 Sup Forums actually believe.
i made a post but didn't bump the thread
Unless it is very close to bump limit, you've done nothing. One reply to you bumps the thread back to page 1. Arguably, you've done less than nothing.
Swords are better than spears in most fighting scenarios. Spears are obviously superior in formation fighting.
nah bro, arbalast perhaps, but even modern crossbows have about the same penetrating power as a good compound, they have stronger draw weight but shorter actions
what I mean is they have to fire harder to compensate for the limitations in the mechanical advantage
they're advantages are they are point and shoot
while mastering a longbow takes 10+ years,
Then stop posting.
weebs this triggered
angry man with autism continues to think he's still on reddit and he can downvote threads
It's one guy.
sword vs spear autism
Those two are not comparable really. It's almost like comparing a handgun to a rifle. Sure rifles are powerful but you can't just rely on it on every situation, that's where sidearms comes in play, to complement the main weapon's limitations. A properly equipped combatant will usually carry both
No m8. this thread doesn't have any anime disussion in it. Also,
most fighting scenarios
have to grasp at straws but still fails miserably because spear is better at thrusting in narrow spaces
How would you know that though without being there yourself? I don't play dark souls so i wouldn't have recognized it myself.
scythe gets my vote, when used incorrectly, All historical engravings show them properly lashed upwards like a spear or halberd
what weapon is NEVER portrayed in fantasy or movies ever. and yet its one of the most functional and longest used tools in human history, The Staff Sling of course
You'll run out of other boards and website to link to eventually.
implying i've browse reddit ever
I'm doing this board a community service here since the mod is too busy deleting the wrong shit.
check wikipedia about dark souls
Wow so hard.
Why do you people are more interested in discussing non-anime shit in an anime board?
is not synonymous with
Yes a spear user can dominate a corridor. A lot of the time, you aren't fighting in a corridor. And god forbid your opponent gets past the end of your spear or even manages to grab it.
literally does it for free
not even a janny
holy shit kill yourself kek
Well you certainly think Sage = Downvote, a uniquely reddit phenomenon.
This. Off -topic thread are more common these days and only gets a free pass because it has an anime image as an OP.
Well I'm going to bed. Enjoy your next couple hours of angry vigilantism b/a/tman
he thinks I'm just saging the thread
I'm filling up the reply count. m8.
tonne of anime with weapons
a thread about the most lame weapons is not on-topic
I thought you were talking about /v/ threads about Dark Souls. God dammit I need some sleep.
Only 115 more replies to go faggot.
Read the thread. Name 10 anime titles mention here. I bet you can't
is not synonymous with
Keep grasping at straws. Why don't you just say the spear wielder is blind and is missing both arms and legs? Nobody is retarded enough to get close with a spear instead of keeping the distance
And god forbid your opponent gets past the end of your spear or even manages to grab it.
You've watched too much anime or still think the spear wielder is a retard full of openings
Kill this fucking thread.
Nice dubs. now check this.
he does it for free
And you must think the sword user is a dullard with literally 0 thought to parry and push aside a spear, one of the most easily pushed aside weapons. I put forth a scenario where a spear would be disadvantageous, you don't get to say "Well MY spear user would never get into that fight, he exclusively fights in narrow alleyways and formations"
Well fuck you faggot that isn't the scenario.
Are they fighting in a shack?
A room in a house. Any enclosed generally square space really.
I'm not doing "Sword versus spear", I'm saying the spear is not good in all scenarios. He's the one sure that the spear is the end all and be all of killing implements.
i cringed so fucking much at this retarded scene
The lamest weapon is dick.
I'm saying the spear is not good in all scenarios
Swords are better than spears in most fighting scenarios
You even contradict yourself
The spear is best in every large deployment scenario and is the better "War" weapon when facing armored opponents. There are loads more fights that go on that don't happen on a battlefield where the combatants aren't heavily armored soldiers. Those are better fought with a sword for the most part.
Harping on knives when they're basically just swords made for close quarters
Probably likes greatswords
Where are the mods? I can't keep saging to this thread I need to watch animu.
buckler and rapier
You're telling me a small thrusting weapon isn't as good as a large thrusting weapon? No.
Come on faggot just 84 more to go
A rapier is not a sword
Implying a slashing sword would do any better in a 1v1
Sure thing, whatever you say
YOU FUCKING FAGGOT DON'T BUMP THE THREAD
WITH THIS SAGE I SHALL KILL THIS THREAD.
A heavier sword could knock aside the spear, and a buckler is actually worse than an empty hand when against a spear. Yes, that was a godawful matchup.
I hate you so very very much.
Fucking Mexican swordfags
Maybe you should stop thinking sage does anything you reddit faggot.
I eat a bowl of rice and eggs this morning. Sage.
Sage is love. Sage is life.
I want to protect that sage.
It was very delicious and I drank a cup of coffee afterwards. Sage.
Fuck off Chaika.
Then I go towards my PC and stayed there for the whole day. Sage.
I will destroy your sagetopia with a single sentence.
no more actual replies
I guess I could go now?
What have you've done. You've started a
Thanks for revitalizing a dying thread with your autism, faggot. Hope the rest of your first month here goes smoother,
My first month is on 2012 though.
Oh wow. I don't have an anime girl smug enough for this.
I like smug anime grill though. They do things to me.Sage.
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Woah, woah, woah, hold the fuck up.
Scythes range from completely impractical to insanely awesome, but they are NEVER lame.
Why can't I hold all these dubs. Sage.
Only 53 more to go.
Holy shit? Why. Did I please the God of dubs in someway today. sage.
What the fuck? Again? Is this real life? sage.
le SA80 a shit meme
L85A1 was a piece of shit. L85A2 pretty much solved the deficiences of the A1. Only issue is its weight and that's itz
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Dual wielding Hammer Master Race!
So, who's making another thread once this one dies?
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When played straight a katana is fine.
When played out as the weapon to end all weapons then it's nauseating.
I love katana but they don't cut steel like butter, are brittle as shit and wouldn't do shit to plate-mail.
Scythes come to mind for retarded 2 edgy/spooky.
Followed by string/ribbons followed by anything in RWBY.
Is this a /dsg/ thread?
that or /mbg/
I bet you think the Dragonslayer is a good weapon.
tfw the only game I like Katonah in is the nioh demo
That shit feels good. They made Spears good too. I just hope they add in more weapon types, the the fancy chime staffs that monks use and stuff.
two handed swords were use to fuck up pike and spear formations
followed by anything in RWBY.
Even the good ol sword and shield?
so everyone has a katana
If this video is still being watched in a few hundred years, maybe I'll consider their input a bit more. Until then, I'm going with the Book of Five Rings on this one.
You have to actually explain why
"You're wrong" has no weight
tfw this is a proper technique for medieval sword.
If the user has enough strength, it's the best weapon
I've read about half-swording just a little bit but does that include using the sword as a fucking club?
This technique is named "murder stroke" or "mordhau".
To use the half-sword means to shorten the sword by grabbing it by the edge in order to give it more leverage and use it more accurately as a thrusting weapon against an armoured opponent.
This is also the standard use of a sword when fighting armoured opponents. The mordhau is the exception.
Spears are only a better weapon in a formation. If someone can get inside the spears reach with a shorter, handier weapon, and the spear wielder doesn't have dudes to the side and/or behind to cover him, he's pretty fucked.
BECAUSE RAAAAH! That's why.
All historical engravings show them properly lashed upwards like a spear or halberd
I know at least two depictions from the time of the German peasant wars surrounding the protestant reformation which show regular farming scythes being used in combat.
One is "De Arte Athleticum" by Paul Hector Mair the other is a wood cut by Burgkmair (as far as I know).
It should be considered however that these were makeshift weaponry involved in uprisings rather than 'real' weapons used by actual soldiers.
I miss when the bump limit was 250. We forum now.
spears can't hold tight spaces
hahaha they excel at that if you were there first. You could hold a room with a spear better than anything. Taking a room might be harder but spearmen carried short weapons for such a circumstance.
This is truth
weebs is a /pol/ term
What fuck happened to this thread? You leave for a few hours and Bam,
That was fucking awful. Even when it was being play acted you could still see his arms giving in when he blocked the light over head hits.
Dual wielding CAN look cool in 2D, it will never be cool in 3D
It's a really shitty weapon.
it will never be cool in 3D
I like falcatas. Falcatas are cool.
You also have to take into account that those artists might not have known the concept of war scythes
Only if you combine the spears with shields
I wonder how effective that was on the field. Better to have a side arm in times of need than walk on to a battle field without a shield because you're just THAT much of a Dandy
also this is what happens when a duellist weapon faces a real one.
Not just thrusting swords but katana too
Both losing to practical and power weapons like the spear and staff.
Even without. You'd be a complete fool to rush a tight entry that a spearman is guarding.
inb4 the 'I parry the spear' bullshit
They don't hold it out there for you to just parry mate. When they strike it's with purpose. Were you to parry it from a distance all they would have to do is draw it back, which takes no time at all, in order to go for another strike.
Unless they let you in too close you're at an impasse. Given they hold the door you wouldn't have control of positioning, so tough shit for you.
No iirc they are two different things. As stated in thread half sword is to give more accuracy and power to fucking up armoured opponents.
The club thing, while probably effective tries to do different things. Junkestu No Maria has a nice example.
You'd be a complete fool to rush a tight entry that a man is guarding.
The weapon doesn't even really matter here.
But who said anything about rushing?
How would you approach it then, given that we're comparing weapon performances and not tactics (although being unable to perform certain tactics is a negative factor for a weapon)
I really want one of those.
isn't this is basically a german katana?
i think it's more like a maciejowski chopper / short-handled warscythe
given that we're comparing weapon performances and not tactics
Then why were we talking about this guarding situation?
Friend of mine is a highly ranked Budoka and bought an authentic folded blade from a Japanese swordsmith through a reference (only way to get them sold to you).
Long story short, the swordsmith had an electron microscope out back and showed the edge which was less than a nanometre in width. He then demonstrated the sharpness by cutting through a steel drum (those they use for oil).
You can literally drop silk on this blade and it will slice right through like a whisper. I don't even want to touch it. My instructor was once given the blade to train rolling and breakfalls, and he was even scared.
Real folded Japanese blades by an authentic swordsmith are serious business and the sharpest swords you will find on earth. And it's not something anyone can just buy. You need references and introductions. It's not something most people know about.
yeah i'll admit katanas are stupidly sharp but they're very brittle and there's no way they gonna cut through steel
even mongol invasions saw these swords snapping when pitted against leather armor
They aren't. Folded katana is a metal composite. They use different kind of metals throughout the folding process to give the blade certain properties.
You can make them flexible and durable.
Katana didn't even exist at the time of the mongol invasions yet.
i mean japanese swords (why the fuck did i said katana)
they still won't cut through steel though
Prison School showed a sling, although it's a type that shoots a staff.
Slings are very cool
Doesn't it sharpen whenever you sheathe or something?