Why do Japs have hardons for shitty, useless MCs? Do they really see themselves...

Liam Diaz
Liam Diaz

Why do Japs have hardons for shitty, useless MCs? Do they really see themselves reflected in the cowardice and failures of the average anime MC? Surely a person with even a vague net positive in the 'self-esteem' category can hold nothing but contempt for the MC. Surely, Japanese men aren't as pathetic and effete as the stereotype makes them out to be, right?

Aiden Collins
Aiden Collins

But people with self-esteem have lives. Anime is for people who have nothing to do. Surely you know this?

Brayden White
Brayden White

Even if you're a bottom-feeder, does a piece of garbage really like seeing his failures transposed to an anime world instead of an idealized version of himself?

Jordan Foster
Jordan Foster

No because the loser MCs are still surrounded by cute girls who love them.

Henry Reed
Henry Reed

I think your brand of loser is contemptible.

Evan Reed
Evan Reed

being this new

It's so the shitty, useless otaku that watch the show can self insert as the MC. Lurk more, watch more anime.

Surely, Japanese men aren't as pathetic and effete as the stereotype makes them out to be, right?

They're worse.

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

I've seen hundreds of anime you fucking projecting faggot. I've gotten to the point that a series is instant-drop if the MC isn't in any way capable. That's 95% of anime.

Hudson Perez
Hudson Perez

I've seen hundreds of anime you fucking projecting faggot

Clearly not if you didn't understand why MCs are usually shit. Either that or you were very new to Sup Forums.

I've gotten to the point that a series is instant-drop if the MC isn't in any way capable

Same. I also insta drop if the setting is a school or the MC is an "average" high school student. Both are huge red flags for a fucking terrible series.

Josiah Lewis
Josiah Lewis

I don't get it because it's a pathological path to escapism. I'm an average faggot in real life, I don't need to see my average faggot self get transposed to a world where I'm berated by magical girls that could easily murder me but for some reason like me because I'm such a nice guy.

James Jackson
James Jackson

watching ecchi and haremshit
ever
It's your own fault.

Daniel Morris
Daniel Morris

Why does this thing happen in anime? What's wrong with Japan?
When will you people shut the fuck up?

Brayden Barnes
Brayden Barnes

"Average" is used incorrectly in this context. The people view themselves as "average", but really they're borderline or full blown forever alone autist NEETS that can't or won't interact with other humans despite desperately craving human interaction. As a result, they turn to anime as a replacement for basic human interactions and affections. So yes, it's a pathalogical path to escapism, but that's what the whole medium is founded upon. Without it there wouldn't be enough money to sustain the few gems that Japan occasionally shits out.

Dominic Gray
Dominic Gray

Find a new medium if you want action heroes. You shouldn't be watching anime for the male MCs, I don't get why people have such a hard time with this.

Jack Smith
Jack Smith

They make for easy 'everymen', especially since they make everything around them more interesting in comparison.
Both types are good for wish fulfillment material but it's more comforting to be able to be the same person and still loved.

Daniel Ramirez
Daniel Ramirez

But there are plenty of action heroes in anime

Carson Rodriguez
Carson Rodriguez

Because useless/faggot MCs are the only time you get lines like this.

Michael Reed
Michael Reed

It just breaks my ability to suspend disbelief when I see women falling in love with a guy with zero redeeming qualities and feels like a farce.

Bentley Sanchez
Bentley Sanchez

Not enough for all the people who keep complaining about betas, apparently.

Ryder Edwards
Ryder Edwards

I swear, every time someone complains that their suspension of disbelief is broken it sounds like they're saying "something unrealistic happened, so that broke my suspension of disbelief!" That's not how it works. You accept unrealistic things because you are suspending your disbelief. If women falling in love with people they wouldn't fall in love with breaks your suspension of disbelief, especially after seeing it eight million times which should have acclimated you, then you might just not be cut out for fiction and should stick to history books and stuff.

Luke Bell
Luke Bell

It works that way IRL to a degree.

But those dudes are manly motherfuckers though.

Faggot MCs tend to cross a mental anguish threshold. Like Shinji's patheticness makes more sense than his successors that aren't Takato or early TTGL Simon.

Alexander Brown
Alexander Brown

women are irrational beings.

It's like asking why women for for the dickhead that treats them like shit.

Blake Bell
Blake Bell

It's like asking why women for for the dickhead that treats them like shit.

Except that's already known.

Alpha = you get women

Beta = you don't get women

David Cox
David Cox

I don't want to start /pol/ shit, but both women are men are irrational about love. That's sort of a whole big thing.

Grayson Smith
Grayson Smith

It's because Japanese people relate to them.

Leo Bennett
Leo Bennett

There is no real middle ground with people nobody wants an mc who picks up bitches left and right with ease because they can't self insert at all. Useless MC is just used to make a presence for a loser to self insert as something I feel causes more problems is that the girl they go for is literally perfect in looks, academics, sports, etc. Girls should have a flaw somewhere in their being because perfect girls tend to be boring. A good example is the girls from that new series Criminale! in which every single one has some fucked up criminal trait that makes them far more amazing than the usual perfect girl.

Jason James
Jason James

I really will never understand how people are apparently so enraged by the sight of people being passive and non-confident. It just baffles me.

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

nobody wants an mc who picks up bitches left and right with ease

Except the entire harem genre is at odds with that claim.

Charles Miller
Charles Miller

How it goes. There's no way dickless homos get bitches unless they have money.

Relating to fag MCs

Japanese men really are pathetic.

Matthew Watson
Matthew Watson

They get a lot of screen time

Asher Sanchez
Asher Sanchez

I meant in a sense that the guy is literally a super being on par with the usual females the usual harem protags go for. If the guy is perfect in everything just like the girl who the fuck would want to read it? What needs to happen is that the girls need to be brought down a peg from perfect beings to flawed individuals.

Jaxon Bell
Jaxon Bell

A beta MC is like being forced into a cuckold chastity cage. Like, you have to empathize with this fucking loser who in reality would be an absolute boot licker. It's infuriating and completely strips me of my agency.

Nicholas Allen
Nicholas Allen

No one knows how to write alpha MCs people can relate too. They are either obnoxious or somehow have less of a personality than dense MCs.

Gavin Wright
Gavin Wright

It feels good that I could fuck all these girls IRL if need be. You guys need to get /fit/ and have some nuts if you want to be alpha.

Nathan Powell
Nathan Powell

alpha is a secretly nice guy with a heart of gold

done

Landon Long
Landon Long

Well duh if the guy already has everything what is there to write about? He'd pick up the girl in record time, have sex with her, get married, die of old age.

Connor Baker
Connor Baker

because nerds complain about Mary sues and Gary sues so they have to make the MC a shitter who can't do anything right

Jayden Sullivan
Jayden Sullivan

cuckold
At least I know what kind of person gets annoyed at this, I guess.

Jace Powell
Jace Powell

Its more of a I feel bad for the girls in said series than trying to relate with a pathetic herbivore.

baiting

Alpha minus MCs have been done before. They don't fuck bitches immediately but they don't live completely in fear of them wanting their dicks. Pic related

Hunter Baker
Hunter Baker

Who is Akatsuki Ousawa?
I'll take Fu"jo"shi for $2000 Alex-kun

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

baiting

Not at all. You know I'm right; if these girls were real then you fags wouldn't have a chance, so why even complain about how your shitty self insert is too pathetic for even you.

Eli Campbell
Eli Campbell

Middle grounds exist.

Its just easier to write an extreme.

Christopher Green
Christopher Green

Alpha minus MCs have been done before.
Off the top of my head I can't think of them ever appearing in a harem, but mostly because if they are alpha there wouldn't be much of a story.

Robert Edwards
Robert Edwards

It's not made to be realistic. The MC doesn't need the redeeming qualities of the 3d world to attract 2d girls. The girls are attracted to qualities he already exhibits.

Isaac Long
Isaac Long

Who's talking about harems anyhow?

Sorata isn't from a harem and he's the poster boy of shiteating MCs.

Jaxson Garcia
Jaxson Garcia

Why waste time writing a good or middle ground MC when all the nerds do is focus on the girls anyways?

Austin Powell
Austin Powell

I assumed harems because that is where the useless MC's usually appear? I mean if it's anything other than a harem the useless mc is bound to develop into a champion to beat whatever problem arises.

Austin Bennett
Austin Bennett

Western fans, or rather faggots on Sup Forums do. Nips eat that shit up fine. It's all about living out a fantasy.

Isaiah Lopez
Isaiah Lopez

Why do Japs have hardons for shitty, useless MCs?
there is like 3-4 threads about dumbass:zero
Guess its not only japs.

Lincoln Clark
Lincoln Clark

I literally only like Re:Zero because I hate the MC and every other character, and look forward to seeing them suffer deeply. Does that still mean I have shit taste?

Adam Thomas
Adam Thomas

MC is another Yusuke Kobayashi voiced thing

Faggot MCs seem to be his role now.

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

Why do Japs have hardons for shitty, useless MCs?
Because the journey is more important than the destination. You could start out with a badass protagonist, or you could see the useless protagonist evolve into a badass. Which do you think is more fun for a long term, ongoing series?

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

Because Elevens are broken humans

Levi Ramirez
Levi Ramirez

Surely a person with even a vague net positive in the 'self-esteem' category can hold nothing but contempt for the MC.

That's not the target audience of Harem shows.

Asher Myers
Asher Myers

I know the girls are the thing but you can at least have a passable self-insert

Dylan Rogers
Dylan Rogers

self-insert
passable

Other genres with more engaging characters already cater to people with any self-esteem, the Harem shows are for the rest.

Nolan Allen
Nolan Allen

Doesn't make it acceptable to make neutron star dense MC or omega males.

Just because you're a LCD genre means effort shouldn't be put into it.

James Wood
James Wood

But that's the whole point.

Harem isn't a genre that lends itself to telling good stories or showing credible character interactions, it is shallow by definition; no amount of effort can prevent it.
When someone decides to watch a Harem show he's just looking for brainless solace, that's why brainless personalities are integral to it; otherwise he'll just watch a different genre.

It's the same reason CGDCT shows don't have deep storylines, Shounen shows don't have strong romance, etc...

Different content for different needs.

Aaron Kelly
Aaron Kelly

The "badass" protagonist honestly. The
"useless" protagonist is usually the same old long-winded story about some "underdog" becoming worth a shit. It's the standard go-to as writing a protagonist and demands investment to get anything out of it. But it doesn't mean it's always worth it.

The "badass" character is more of a gamble. There's no obvious trajectory like "zero to hero" so you think about how to make things interesting. A great personality, how they overcome obstacles, maybe they have another goal that doesn't involve increasing their self-esteem. Lots of possibilities. "Badass" doesn't even mean OP -- Yusuke was always badass but still had to grow in strength and power.

Zachary Long
Zachary Long

Anime MCs are just a Japans version of the Spilling your Spaghetti stories.

Jason Martinez
Jason Martinez

I found Kazuma from Konosuba to be really refreshing. I don't think I've seen a male MC that snarky since Kyon.

Hudson Nguyen
Hudson Nguyen

I'm not after action heroes, just characters with an actual personality.

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