Twf this guy is Richard The Lionheart

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

twf this guy is Richard The Lionheart

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Nathaniel Flores
Nathaniel Flores

Why he's not a girl?

Owen Carter
Owen Carter

Richard The Lionheart
What's an islamaphobe doing in my beloved fate franchise? Are Japs really this insensitive? Seriously? Richard The Lionheart? Are you kidding me?!

Gabriel Baker
Gabriel Baker

Much better than king concealed boobs Arthur.

Joshua Hill
Joshua Hill

I've been waiting for Richard the Lionheart in some Fate incarnation for awhile now. He's my favourite historical figure.

Disappointed they didn't make him one of the rugged ones since his main fame is extreme manliness, but I guess the odds were poor.

Lincoln Diaz
Lincoln Diaz

I also wish they gave him a more masculine physique, aside from that I have no problem with his character design.

Cameron Miller
Cameron Miller

which historical figure does Sup Forums wanna see as a servant in Fate?

Thomas Turner
Thomas Turner

Hippolyta
Just a little girl
Disappointing

Liam Hernandez
Liam Hernandez

little
She'd be above average in my country. A lot of the TM girls are ridiculously tall, I don't get why.

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

Berserker Edison

Angel Sanders
Angel Sanders

Important thing here is Heracles Archer

Ryan Perez
Ryan Perez

Caster Tesla

Christian Evans
Christian Evans

Avenger-Archer Heracles Alter

Jason Baker
Jason Baker

TM girls are short as fuck. What kind of a manlet country are you even from?

Aaron Morris
Aaron Morris

well in the past people were, generaly, shorter than today.
might explain wht tm people tend to be short.

Jaxson Wood
Jaxson Wood

So:

True Saber: Richard Lionheart.
True Archer: Alter Heracles
True Rider: Hippolyta
True Assassin: Hassan
True Caster: Prelati (Prelati summoned her old herself af Servant)
True Berserker: Edison (the one from FGO with lion head)
True Lancer: Sigma was planned, Watcher was summoned instead. It has turned into Asclepius, dude who killed Moby Dick, Orion and Icarus (people he has killed). Looks like embodiment of Gaia.

Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

Yeah but even present-day TM people are really short.

Josiah Ortiz
Josiah Ortiz

might explain wht tm people tend to be short.
Only the female servants. The male servants are above average in any era.

Josiah Robinson
Josiah Robinson

True Lancer is fucking bizarre

Jason Bailey
Jason Bailey

So is he the strongest French Servant yet?

Jonathan Cruz
Jonathan Cruz

Ruler Jeanne still wins out thanks to being a Ruler.

Joseph Sullivan
Joseph Sullivan

French
He's english

Jeremiah Flores
Jeremiah Flores

Why Ricard? Sure the Lionhart title is cool but the guy did nothing much but losing two major campaign he was in.
He lost the crusade against Saladin despite Saladin give them mercy on several occasion, then somehow still manage to get captured on his way home which ended with the need to pay expensive ransom.
After he back home he started another war campaign against France, which again he lost but also died in.

That is not mentioning the England nearly broke to pay his war campaign, the massive jew hunt during his ruling, and several other shit happened during his absence as he goes to war campaign.

In another note, why Ricard is not cool older guy? I mean, he started the crusade and got coronation in his mid30's.

Julian Garcia
Julian Garcia

What design? It's Gil with a different haircut. Like the umpteen different versions of Saber, Fate is a recycling factory.

Alexander Gray
Alexander Gray

Nice meme.

Aaron Myers
Aaron Myers

user is alluding to the fact that Richard I of England was descended from a French house, he spoke French, he spent more time in France than he did in Britain, and he held several French titles throughout his life.

Aiden Ortiz
Aiden Ortiz

Saber/Ayaka:
Saber is indeed Richard the Lionheart.
Basically he's able to use Excalibur with pretty much anything he grabs. Because well apparently Richard the Lionheart had the habit of calling anything in his hands Excalibur. So he just does that with a tree branch. His Excalibur is called the Sword of the Forever Distant Victory (永久に遠き勝利の剣).
His other NP it's a summoning comrades thing. But it's not really summoning but like transcribing from the throne from a preselect group or something.
Richard and Saladin had teamed up with the leading Hassan at that time to take down that Dead Apostle during the Third Crusade.
Enkidu, Richard and Zealot team up.
So Ayaka was a student of Waver's. And Waver confirms by telphone that there's another Ayaka in Romania. Which means the Ayaka in Snowfield is.....?

True Archer/Buzz Cola guy:
True Archer is Alkeides, Heracles human side. It looks like this Herc was originally just a normal heroic Archer. His Master asks him if Herc will be willing to harm children, and Herc refuses so this guy uses his command spells.
Herc figures he can resist commands with his own innate magic power and in the worst case he can survive through 3 suicide commands, but then this guy uses his command spells to make him remember his past (the time when he killed his own children), mindfucks him with human prejudices and ugliness and on top of that uses the grail mud from Fuyuki on him (given by Francesca).
Due to this, he has a weird skill called Distortion that gives him the skills of an Avenger by losing some of his Archer perks. He is also kind of evil now. He has no problem with trying to kill Tine and True Rider was really angry about how he was targeting children.
True Archer has two NPs listed, King's Order (C~A++, all the trinkets from his labours that are given to him as compensation of losing his Divinity and God Hand) and Nine Lives (C~A+ like in GO). He also has a EX rank NP obscured.

Nathan Howard
Nathan Howard

????/True Rider
True Rider is Hippolyta and she is kind of mad at Herk. She has a A Rank NP called Goddess of War and another one obscured.

Francesca/True Caster:
Francesca is obviously Prelati. And summons herself as a Servant, or more correctly himself as his past self.
Also looks like Francesca's goal is to use the grail to go through one of Caubac Alcatraz's dungeons for some reason.
Because of the descendant of a bug user from Kiev, Francesca was limited to watching Gilles from afar in the Fourth Holy Grail War. She is probably talking about Zouken.
A lot of people have killed Prelati in the past but only a handful have left her speechless or just pwned her.
>>1. Old man Kischur, in other words Zelretch.
>>2. Saint Germain
>>3. The consoling witch that is eternally alive. Is she even "alive" now? (Scáthach?)
>>4. Rich Monocle Vampire (Van Fem? White Wing?)
>>5. God Word, so Kurogiri Satsuki.
>>6. Her magecraft teachers
>>7. Scar Red, so Aozaki Touko.

Haruri/True Berserker
Apparently Edison. Some weird stuff about a mecha like thing with lion head and spider legs.

Christian White
Christian White

Isn't it just "richard lionheart"? Adding "the" seems pretty silly

Liam Brown
Liam Brown

Fake Berserker/Flat
Apparently Jack as an advantage against humans, so it seems he is kind of a counter to the now fully human evil Herk. The volume ends with that.

Sigma/Watchers:
Sigma summoned something that resulted in a bunch of strange guys appearing that go by the name of Watchers. They aren't the heroic spirit itself either. They're appearing around Sigma as shadows of the Heroic Spirit he summoned, though the weird thing is it's not the Heroic Spirit that's supposed to become Lancer but him, and they're there to observe him and the war. They're not really an extra class actually, but if they were summoned properly they might have appeared as Gatekeeper.
Watcher seems to talk in a female-like first person. Watcher has turned into Asclepius, Ahab, Orion, and Icarus. Supposedly people they've killed. Enkidu had a big reaction when it was summoned. Something about the counter force. They turn into Enkidu to meddle in the whole Gilgamesh, True Archer and True Rider event.
They can't even physically really do anything. One of them remarks not being able to hold chopsticks, let alone blades.

Other:
There were vampire and werewolf wars in the nasuverse. The Elder Titles tried to destroy the last Golden Werewolf.
Prelati says that summoning Gilles as a Rider is a possibility.
Sometimes there are these monsters that appear that reject human civilization, and at the very least no tools created by man have any effect on them.

Jace Diaz
Jace Diaz

Both are acceptable. You may use "the" if you feel like it.

Ryan Lopez
Ryan Lopez

Richard and Saladin had teamed up with the leading Hassan at that time to take down that Dead Apostle during the Third Crusade.

I want to see this.

Jonathan Ward
Jonathan Ward

His name is Ricard and Lionheart is his nickname/title hence "Richard The Lionheart".

Its a historical character and that is how his nickname is written by country which create the language. So direct your complain to historian and old scribes.

Jeremiah Hill
Jeremiah Hill

So, uh... Herakles hit that, right?

Kayden Baker
Kayden Baker

Yeah I know this is bait but there are actual people who think like this.

Jayden Rivera
Jayden Rivera

He fucked a ton of women, and she is one of them.

Leo Wright
Leo Wright

If True Archer is Herakles, and True Archer made Gil's 360 degree GoB spam look like chump change, does this mean that Herc in Archer class is genuinely an equal challenge for Gilgamesh? Or can he still just pull out Enkidu?

Dominic Lewis
Dominic Lewis

I think Watchers aka True Lancer is Nemesis.

Josiah Butler
Josiah Butler

He's in his human form, so Enkidu is pretty much just a normal chain against him

John Morris
John Morris

SF Heracles has no Divinity so Enkidu is useless. Also the Nemean Lion's Pelt protects him from any NP except Ea aparently

Connor Johnson
Connor Johnson

Ea tears apart the reality in which the pelt exists, so it's no surprise that the pelt wouldn't protect from it.

Cameron Thomas
Cameron Thomas

I guess a younger self fit better his adventurous and kinda unreasonable attitude.

Dominic Ross
Dominic Ross

Herc is as said, not entirely Herc as he'd be in Archer, he's missing some of his Archer skills and has lost God Hand. But yes, to answer your question, Herc in Archer looks to be a dead even challenge with Gil so far, and even taunted him to pull out Ea or he'd be fucked.

If you added some of his other skills back in, since they're currently a bit off, then he'd have both EotM True and False, basically no attack would work on him once he's seen it, he'd have God Hand... he'd be almost completely unstoppable.

The top Servants are functionally Gilgamesh, Herakles (Archer), Enkidu, Arjuna, Karna. Next tier down you've got the ones like Achilles, Seiba, Siegfried and so on.

John Richardson
John Richardson

Edison
Pls don't tell me it's Thomas Edison

Jaxon Garcia
Jaxon Garcia

Who else?

Justin Green
Justin Green

Hercules in Berserker breaks Enkidu with raw power
Hercules in Archer has no Divinity so Enkidu means nothing

Man, the King of Heroes really has a shitty ass time dealing with him.

Andrew Wood
Andrew Wood

Can Gil even pull out Enkidu when the real, non-weapon Enkidu is standing around doing nothing half a mile away?

Jackson Gutierrez
Jackson Gutierrez

Astolfo, he's the very embodiment of French faggotry.

Joshua Peterson
Joshua Peterson

Lion Head
Mech
It's pretty much Thomas at this point.

Considering his whole plot arc in FGO is that the patriotism from the presidents of the United States that powers him made him go full MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, it's no surprise in terms of pure Nasuverse shenanigans.

Of course, if that plot isn't referenced, he has no reason to be a Berserker at all.

Jace Jackson
Jace Jackson

I still don't understand Edison. I don't get it. Why that design? How is he Edison? Can somebody explain? My wikidiving didn't get me anywhere in this shit, I'm still completely lost.

Jace Brown
Jace Brown

Fuck.

Christian Miller
Christian Miller

Yes, he's summoned with Enkidu-as-chain in GoB. It's a copy from the Throne, remember, just as Enkidu half a mile away is also a copy from the Throne.

Carson Thompson
Carson Thompson

Sup LN fags.

Tell me about Ayaka, why is she so rude towards saber.

Blake Clark
Blake Clark

Fuck me man, I don't understand Strange/Fake at all. I wish this shit got even a Re:Zero-style spoiler pastebin, I have no idea what's going on. Not even fantranslations, a spoiler pastebin.

Landon Sullivan
Landon Sullivan

Why that design?
MGM lion head, because MGM was founded on the other side of America by people who wanted nothing to do with Edison. It's reaching very far. Red, white and blue because Murrica. Vacuum tubes because electricity. Rainbows because why the fuck not.
How is he Edison?
Because he is Edison.

Isaiah Brown
Isaiah Brown

It's not an issue with SF.

Summoning a hero creates a copy from the Throne, reproducing things like their NPs, abilities (sort of, it's incomplete with the Fuyuki system depending on the Master, since Rin with Seiba can push her to almost as powerful as she was while alive), skills and so on.

Enkidu is summoned as a Servant, put into a Servant container, as one such copy from the Throne. However, Gilgamesh is also summoned as a Servant, as another copy from the Throne, and as such he is produced with his NPs, including Enkidu in chain form. It's not Enkidu as a Servant that Gil has in GoB, it's Enkidu the chain. Likewise, Enkidu the Servant is not the Enkidu in GoB.

Except when they both are, but in this case, there shouldn't be any overlap.

Justin Reyes
Justin Reyes

So which one is stronger Berserker or Archer Heracles?

Base on what I've read in this thread Archer Heracles is more of a challenge to Gil than his berserker counterpart.

Brayden Thomas
Brayden Thomas

Archer is canonically his best class, though he'd also do very well in Saber.

Berserker has more raw power, which is why the Einzberns elected to go that route, but he loses several of the skills he had in life as a result.

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

Archer Heracles of course. He's at his weakest as a Berserker and at his strongest as an Archer.

Grayson Wood
Grayson Wood

Archer by far. Herc is also THE greatest Greek Hero who ever lived, period, and is quite possibly one of the most famous heroes of all time. Certainly the most famous in the western world, though there might be some eastern ones who top him. Expecting him to not be capable of facing a serious Gilgamesh in his best class, at his peak, is just Gil wank.

Easton Young
Easton Young

Maybe its another of those myth contributes to the power of servant thingy, but with Edison credited with anything that resembles anything with electricity on them. I mean, the only legit invention of him that I truly remember without Google search is a lamp, meanwhile countless other necessities are probably attributed to him at some point due to his popularity and iconic status

Jordan Campbell
Jordan Campbell

French
Nice try froggy

Luis Powell
Luis Powell

Richard is generally considered English.

Jeanne is probably still at the top of the French hero list.

Carson Torres
Carson Torres

Berserker has more raw power, which is why the Einzberns elected to go that route
He has basically the same stats as an Archer as he did as a Berserker and Berserker Herc isn't even able to use an NP. The only reason the Einzbern summoned him as a Berserk was that they feared that they wouldn't be able to control him otherwise and SF proved them right. Herc is too much of a good guy to accept the Einzbern and would have tried to save Illya from them.

Hunter James
Hunter James

Mad Enhancement means everything gets a rank up as Berserker, which is why I mentioned it.

Lincoln Adams
Lincoln Adams

But how? What kind of NP this true archer had to counter Gil's GoB?

This fate strange fake seems interesting looking forward to have its own anime.

Adam White
Adam White

Salah Al deen, a genius military strategist of his time, who was famed both for his mercy and vicious intellect. He had many successful conquests and defense against overwhelming odds. His story is actually quite brilliant. The character even appeared in the block buster of 2006 (Kingdom of heaven) and was really cool.

Owen Davis
Owen Davis

Nemean Lion pelt, user. However, it could also be his unknown EX-rank NP, or it could be Eye of the Mind (True), or some combination of them all.

Landon Clark
Landon Clark

What kind of NP this true archer had to counter Gil's GoB?
The Nemean Lion Pelt from his first Labor. It's literally impossible to penetrate it.

William Hall
William Hall

S I M O
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Benjamin Hill
Benjamin Hill

Best Kebab Remover

Henry Allen
Henry Allen

Still no old West spirit Archer

Nathan Rogers
Nathan Rogers

THE MOST OVERPOWERED GRAIL WAR EVER LIST:

Saber: Achilles (does he qualify for Saber?) or Arturia
Archer: Herakles
Lancer: Karna
Rider: Gilgamesh (qualifies for Rider)
Caster: Cu Chulainn (can't fit him in Lancer with Karna around)
Assassin: ???
Berserker: Enkidu

Gilgamesh could also qualify for Caster, pushing the dog out of the list. Best assassin is unknown, maybe super-Hassan from SF? Or Semiramis?

Julian Ross
Julian Ross

When we see the stats of the servants, does Herc's (as Berserker) stats already reflect the boost from Mad Enhancement?

Berserker
STR: A+
END: A
AGI: A
Mana: A
Luck: B
NP: A

Archer
STR: A
END: B
AGI: A
Mana: A
Luck: B
NP: A++

It says rank up for all parameters but Archer Herc has the same agi and mana as Berserker Herc so I don't think it does?

Dominic Nelson
Dominic Nelson

Last question: Does this True Archer actually use bow and arrow?

Aaron Reed
Aaron Reed

It does. Keep in mind that depending on the master, various stats are affected and they don't always increase just because a master is better.

Best example is Saber who has 3 different masters overall.

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

Does this True Archer actually use bow and arrow?
Yes.

Cooper Clark
Cooper Clark

He does. He can also use Nine Lives with his bow and arrows coated in Hydra poison.

Gavin Stewart
Gavin Stewart

Saladin lost two skirmish against Richard The Lionheart because of his compassion.

Richard armies arrive in middle east sick, Instead of slaughtering them, he sends doctors and fresh food. They got healthy, fought, and saladin lost.

Richard fall from his horse nearly got killed, he give him mercy and replacement horse. Later saladin lost that fight.

Richard goes to Jerusalem where Saladin Army now reside, realize Ricard no longer have enough soldier due to two previous skirmish to take the city, Richard goes home. Later got captured in Byzantine.

However, according to some version, the knight who survive and return to England later updated the knight code with Chivalry learned from Saladin and saladin become much famous in the west rather than in middle east itself.

Brayden Rivera
Brayden Rivera

Who is Billy the Kid
http://fategrandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Billy_the_Kid

Isaiah Hernandez
Isaiah Hernandez

Well, in nasuvese, there is the original hero, there is the king of knight, and saladin could be written as the guy who inspire Knight-code.

Logan Cook
Logan Cook

Archer Heracles Alter. He was summoned as normal Archer at first, but when he said he wouldn't kill children, his master horribly warped him.

People rejoice over him trying to kill children at the moment as long as they can fuck over Gilgamesh, but Heracles really isn't happy about this.

People keep acting like this, saying that if he was summoned normally he'd shit over everyone.

Not really, he'd be countered hard by Gil and Enkidu if he was still his normal self, due to divinity and potentially other conditions. Also he's powered up or distorted in a sense by the Avenger skill set.

He's min-maxed horribly and disfigured in order to be exactly what he would have to be to beat Gilgamesh, he's no longer proper servant. If he was his normal self ironically he would lose, but he'd have fun doing it at least and you would see him be glorious. But now he can instead dominate those around him, while being an edgefag.

He's not simply weakened at the moment or anything, they dropped some skills specifically that could have allowed him to be countered.

Andrew Rodriguez
Andrew Rodriguez

Yeah dude was pretty bad-ass, he sounds like an anime protagonist when you think about it.

Jayden Clark
Jayden Clark

Herc having lower base stats with Ilya than some new guy if we remove the ME boost
I know the guy's powering Herc up with concentrated people goo but still weird.

Robert Long
Robert Long

Alter servants are always stronger

William Rogers
William Rogers

I'd point out two things.

First, you don't count NP rank. That shit doesn't count or at least not really. See Saber again. Under Shirou it's at C and with Rin it's at A++ and this is in spite of the fact that Saber has access to the same NPs.

Secondly, the default Berserker container has worse stats than the Archer container. (assuming the info in the Type Moon wiki is correct and in at least this particular circumstance, I think they can be relied upon)

Michael Diaz
Michael Diaz

Saladin lost two skirmish against Richard The Lionheart because of his compassion.
Richard armies arrive in middle east sick, Instead of slaughtering them, he sends doctors and fresh food. They got healthy, fought, and saladin lost.
Richard fall from his horse nearly got killed, he give him mercy and replacement horse. Later saladin lost that fight.
I fucking doubt it, sauce?

Richard goes to Jerusalem where Saladin Army now reside, realize Ricard no longer have enough soldier due to two previous skirmish to take the city.
Both sides are pretty even that's why richard and salaldin had a truce.

Ian Clark
Ian Clark

This design is just so wrong?
Caster Cu is weak though

Joseph Gonzalez
Joseph Gonzalez

covered face
Why?

Benjamin Peterson
Benjamin Peterson

Alter servants are meant to look edgy, pointlessly spikey, and wrong.

The servant is fucked up if they're alter, they're a pure power darkfag now.

Lucas Adams
Lucas Adams

He also has a EX rank NP obscured.
So I guess it's safe to say he won't be beaten until after he reveals what this is.

Xavier Myers
Xavier Myers

jeanne's design is good, this one is just embarassing.

Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

Joan and Saber Alter are still girls after all

Still gotta look moe even if they're dark.

Chase Green
Chase Green

Cu Alter is based on the Warp Spasm thing from his legend.

Brayden Fisher
Brayden Fisher

Its more like he fused with Currid Coheinn, the beast that was killed to create Gae Bolg.

His NP lets him transform even further

Jaxon Torres
Jaxon Torres

Hopefully Archer Heracles in Grand/Order isn't based on True Archer. That character design is absolutely ugly and dreadful and completely the opposite of how Hercules looks like (and yet still has the same weight WTF?).

If not I'll be pretty much done with this series. It's already enough that he keeps being shat on by being nothing but a mindless jobbing meat wall throughout the franchise.

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

Maybe he got his source from Kingdom of heaven.

Kek

Jason Cooper
Jason Cooper

yet still has the same weight
Berserker Herc: 253cm 311kg
Archer Herc: 203cm 141kg

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

Remember that this is Alcides without access to his divine buffs. His personal skills had rank downs due to it, and I'm willing to bet his parameters were ranked down, too.

In all likelihood, Mad Enhancement only works on Berserker Heracles because the base container has much worse stats than the other base containers, so he manifests lower parameters as Berserker from the get-go.

Cameron Hernandez
Cameron Hernandez

Because revealing one's identity is a bad move in the Fate franchise.

Jacob Carter
Jacob Carter

One of my favorite of the G/O only servants. I'd summon Billy to be my bro in a heartbeat.

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

fake assassin is pretty cute.

Jose Wood
Jose Wood

She's gonna get her ass beat by True Assassin and it's gonna be glorious.

Grayson Campbell
Grayson Campbell

Her master has fine taste.

Lucas Stewart
Lucas Stewart

Then fuck off, nobody's gonna miss you

Joshua Bailey
Joshua Bailey

Finally a good fate thread not just some rin and sakura shitposting.

Blake Cook
Blake Cook

a vampire joins the grail war

shit is just getting more and more out of hand.

Grayson Price
Grayson Price

She already teamed up with Enkidu and Richard

Everyone is grouping off into their own areas

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

Enkidu's gonna have to play babysitter for those nerds big time.

Logan Russell
Logan Russell

There were vampire and werewolf wars in the nasuverse. The Elder Titles tried to destroy the last Golden Werewolf.

Oh I remember Lugh Beowulf from Mahoyo being confused for a Golden Werewolf.

Nathaniel Richardson
Nathaniel Richardson

Uhhhm guys?

Nathan Gomez
Nathan Gomez

Throne of Presidents all came together and discussed how the country is fucked because the grail war is putting it in some great danger, so they decide to power up an American hero to drive the grail war fuckos out of the country.

If Edison was summoned normally he'd just look like a normal man, with D rank stats.

But since the Throne of Presidents gave him a special mystic code that amps up the concept of Edison, he's now EX rank in most areas.

Ayden Campbell
Ayden Campbell

Oh fuck, not him again.

Ayden Barnes
Ayden Barnes

I'm still confused about this fake and true servants stuff.

I'm going to make my question very simple, who is the good guys here?

Ryan Wilson
Ryan Wilson

Now any time America is in great danger because of a grail war, the American presidents all get together in the throne to power up some guy to balance things out.

If the grail war was not a danger for the country, maybe they wouldn't feel the need to cheat a bit. But so far all the grail wars in America to date have been near life ending messes.

Camden Walker
Camden Walker

SHINJI AND KARIYA DID NOTHING WRONG

Aiden Fisher
Aiden Fisher

There are no good or bad guys, Fake and true has nothing to do with that.

Despite some servants being the actual servants for the war, and some servants being extras summoned to prep the land, such a thing doesn't define whether they're good or bad.

Everyone is mixing into a chaotic mesh

Juan Lee
Juan Lee

Richard is cuter

Jeremiah Wood
Jeremiah Wood

Hmmmmmnnn sounds like Fate zero, that's more like it.

Luke Anderson
Luke Anderson

True Archer and his master looks like a villains. And probably Herc will suck hard again.
Also Prelati is obviously not a good person.

Eli Harris
Eli Harris

In the same way that Fate/Zero sounds like Apocrypha, Fragments, and every other grail war.

There was never good and evil in any grail war, it was always like this. A chaotic clusterfuck with everyone selfishly moving towards their own desires.

Camden Perez
Camden Perez

But user, apocrypha is shit. If it weren't for ruler's tornado tits it won't sell shit.

Justin Hernandez
Justin Hernandez

No, in F/SN you have Kirei who is always described as evil person. He isn't a maniac or psycho, but he is evil. And in F/Z there was Ryunoske and Gilles who were clearly bad guys.
In Fragments you have a Manaka who is a little devil itself. So there was a some evil villain in almost all Fate stuff.

Tyler Scott
Tyler Scott

Was it confirmed that his servant is Dumas?

Landon Cook
Landon Cook

So it's not like apocrypha's red vs black?

Juan Jackson
Juan Jackson

No. This is not a team deathmatch, it's free-for-all.

Andrew Roberts
Andrew Roberts

14 servants in total
both true and fake servants only need to kill each other indiscriminately to win the grail.

Nice. This shit is a fuck fest

Julian Reyes
Julian Reyes

implying any of you EOP have read it

Hunter Jenkins
Hunter Jenkins

This shit is a fuck fest
Now that I think about it, taking acount all the grail war of all the differents univers, be it the first VN, spin-off LN, other games etc.. Only the first grail war wasn't a clusterfuck but a lackluster.

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

Herc will suck hard again.
Why does everybody say that.He already suffered enough in life.
Hippoltia will deal with him.

Sebastian Garcia
Sebastian Garcia

Hippoltia will deal with him.
Jack has a better shot at it. He's particularly adept at fighting humans.

Luis Nelson
Luis Nelson

The first grail war was the one Justicia became the grail for didn't she?

Easton Robinson
Easton Robinson

Dunno maybe richard and ayaka?

Cameron Miller
Cameron Miller

Flat "Dances with Vampires" Escardo and Jack the Ripper.

James Torres
James Torres

But Apocrypha has teams not a one man standing deathmatch.

Robert Smith
Robert Smith

But she is literally there because of him.

Jason Moore
Jason Moore

Pretty sure, yes.

Grayson Cooper
Grayson Cooper

Isn't Flat bordeline insane in Case files?

Hunter Jones
Hunter Jones

Strange Fake is probably going to be way more fucked than zero.

Logan Hernandez
Logan Hernandez

Literally Saberface
AGAIN

Look at her hair.

Cameron Baker
Cameron Baker

Jack the Ripper seems to think so.

Matthew Wood
Matthew Wood

The obviously bad guys are:
True Archer team (Herc is corrupted)
True Caster team
Fake Assassin's master

Not sure about others.

Ethan Nguyen
Ethan Nguyen

When we see the stats of the servants, does Herc's (as Berserker) stats already reflect the boost from Mad Enhancement?

No. We don't know what his ME stats are because Illya stops supressing ME only once. We never see his stat sheet with ME, and even then they might not even change, like from A to a higher A.

As an Archer he has less strenght and END because Archer is not a melee class, this is something we've known since forever from other servants. Could also be the fact that this Heracles is pure human, so maybe losing his divine body also affects his stats a bit.

Maybe a combination of both.

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

Does Richard really deserve to be a heroic spirit?

I mean, he had guts for sure, but he didn't really have much of anything else. And why does he appear to have Excalibur there? I'm pretty sure Richard the Lionheart was not toting around Excalibur.

Daniel Parker
Daniel Parker

Apparently, his NP is turning any weapon he touches into Excalibur like Lancelot turning anything into NP.

That's based on how Richard claim he has Excalibur.

Joseph Torres
Joseph Torres

True Caster team
They're on the side of justice. The side of justice is the side opposite the bad side.

Xavier Green
Xavier Green

I thought it might be a play on that.

It still seems odd that he even qualifies, though. He accomplished very little in life, and he's not a being of mystery like Jack, or the absolute zenith of a certain archetype like Edmond.

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

muh Saberface trauma

Grow up, she only has Saber's trademark hairstyle

Brody Scott
Brody Scott

He is not that strong of a Saber

The Excalibur he uses is probably a ranked down beamu, trading power for spam

The thing that makes him a threat is Ayaka, she summoned him and iirc also has the capabilities to summon other 5 servants to act as his shadows (one of them is Robin Hood)

Landon Ward
Landon Ward

He's a King who battled alongside with his comrades and his nickname literally roars LIONHEART.

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

Was he watching her while she was sleeping?

Jonathan Allen
Jonathan Allen

He's an interesting counterpoint to Arturia. She was a King first and a soldier second, but Richard the Lionheart was a soldier first and a King second. He spent most of his life fighting somewhere, whether it was putting down rebellions or crusading as a champion of the faith, and by most accounts did very little ruling in person.

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

TRANSLATIONS

FUCKING

WHEN

Sebastian Gonzalez
Sebastian Gonzalez

Yes, while ayaka is having nightmares.

Blake Scott
Blake Scott

Arturia was a King first and a soldier second

Read GoA

She freaking defeated an evil overlord dragon and then had to constantly repel invasions

Blake Nguyen
Blake Nguyen

Missed opportunity to have Richard but not Saladin

Owen Jackson
Owen Jackson

No cute brown FemSaladin being tsundere for Richard

Adrian Ross
Adrian Ross

Do. Want.

William Ross
William Ross

"I-idiot!"
"I-I'm only giving you m-mercy because G-God wills it!
"It's n-not because y-you''re handsome or brave or kind or d-d-dreamy!"

Brody Torres
Brody Torres

not allahu akbar

Cooper Moore
Cooper Moore

So, Prelati is Fate's Cagliostro?

Christopher Barnes
Christopher Barnes

2016
being muslim
just kill yourself already

William Scott
William Scott

I thought he was just fucked up because he's not technically real and is essentially Medb's incredibly godamn edgy and idealized husbando version of him made into a heroic spirit.

Jackson Jackson
Jackson Jackson

Japs don't like sandniggers

Ryder Morris
Ryder Morris

an English king is not a little girl in Japanese anime
Holy shi-

blond as hell
Every time

Evan Rogers
Evan Rogers

He's a frenchman

Bentley Phillips
Bentley Phillips

2016
not wanting virgins in the afterlife
not wanting a harem while alive
Justo kill yourself already

Joshua Sullivan
Joshua Sullivan

current year
crossboarding pol faggot
yeah I bet you even vote for the racist drumpf

Jaxson Martin
Jaxson Martin

We do actually have quite a lot of blonde people. Historically, we had even more than we do today, IIRC.

But Lionheart is blonde for obvious reasons. Lion mane.

James Sanchez
James Sanchez

2016
wanting virgins
not wanting actually fun girls

Why don't you just kill yourself

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

Richard is as English as Arturia, that is not at all.

Nathaniel Bennett
Nathaniel Bennett

I'm going to blow myself up to get my 72 virgins.

Dubs decide at what place.

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

The formula to make an Altar seems really easy now.

1. Be a waifufag.
2. Get a grail.
3. Make waifu.

Congrats you just made an evil version of your waifu.

Justin Jenkins
Justin Jenkins

That's the spirit!

Nicholas Bennett
Nicholas Bennett

Jeanne Alter just wants to be a waifu.

Ethan Lee
Ethan Lee

The best part is Gilles ideal version of Jeanne still friendzones him

Luis Jones
Luis Jones

Australian outback in the middle of no-where

Lucas Thompson
Lucas Thompson

I would rather take fun girls too but Mohammed was the one in charge of that

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

She wants to be an otome heroine.

Carter White
Carter White

She's more daughteru than waifu to him.

Elijah Murphy
Elijah Murphy

We've already seen what Cu's warp spasm looks like in the Nasuverse. It's just a werewolfy thing. Disappointing, but okay.

These two are the reasons why Cu Alter looks like a weird monster. Except it's not exactly what Medb thought a king should be like, it's what Cu thought a king is like. She wanted him to be an ideal king. His image of kingship is a lonely, hollow position, so he became the ultimate version of that idea - a monster with the impulse to destroy everything, leaving him the lonely king of a dead Earth.

Carter Cooper
Carter Cooper

muh racist
That word holds no meaning now.

muh pol
There are always been politically incorrect people outside of /pol/

Lincoln Martinez
Lincoln Martinez

tfw Edison isn't a FOTM husbando anymore

Logan Price
Logan Price

Gilles don't love but worship her anyways.

Evan Perez
Evan Perez

Prisma isn't canon

Nicholas Phillips
Nicholas Phillips

You can be English and have Scandi, German, or French routes. Its actually pretty vague as an ethnic identity.

I'm fairly certain we don't have many Blond royalty. But you are right, we do have them, its just they are the ONLY Brits the Japs seem to draw.

Not english
See above

Carter Robinson
Carter Robinson

Takeuchi's house

Robert Gray
Robert Gray

Her arch nemesis is going to be Ayaka and Xabiko then.

Dominic Diaz
Dominic Diaz

Obviously she's based on Xena height wise :^)

Wyatt Allen
Wyatt Allen

Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute

Jack Smith
Jack Smith

rolling for this

Austin Ross
Austin Ross

Say that to the japanese shoujo/otome fangirl who usually has a brown dude as one of the love interest in their series.

Parker White
Parker White

So Richard is literally just knockoff Arthur?
Ayaka's Servant
blonde ikemen king
nice guy personality
NP is literally turning anything he holds into knockoff Excalibur

Nolan Collins
Nolan Collins

Fucking everybody counted as heroic spirit now - Babbage, Edison, Billy the Kid, Geronimo. Are you sure that a Lionheart don't deserved it?

Ryan Walker
Ryan Walker

Arthur is kinda boring in Fragments. He's like Arturia except he doesn't frown as much. Richard is a lot more expressive.

Tyler Thomas
Tyler Thomas

Does Richard really deserve to be a heroic spirit?

When you have Thomas Edison and Shakespeare as a servant how the fuck can you have a problem with Richard the Lionheart being a servant?
Are you retarded?

Nathaniel Johnson
Nathaniel Johnson

You could argue that Thomas Edison and Shakespeare are far more famous and had more impact on the world than him.
Then the question would lies more in his awesome stats though since the grail wars never was a club closed to "mediocre" servant.

Hunter Fisher
Hunter Fisher

as far as the manga goes Richie is a very chill guy always calm and smiling in different types of situation.

Lucas Lee
Lucas Lee

You got Nero, Caligula, and a whole bunch of other characters who shouldn't be fighting. At this point anyone historical can be a servant.

Francis Xavier when?

Ethan Moore
Ethan Moore

a very chill guy
Whereas in life he was a fervent crusader. They really don't give a fuck about the source material, do they?

Dominic Cook
Dominic Cook

Edison is a fucking gay furry superhero. They don't give a shit at all.

Anthony Reed
Anthony Reed

Francis Xavier when?

I'm actually suprsised it isn't a thing yet.

Though the Fate Franchise is suprisingly stingy in Japanese/related to Japan servants when you know the boner the country got for it own history.

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

you can be calm and passionate at the same time.

Andrew White
Andrew White

Guy lined up thousands of prisoners in view of the enemy and had them killed to a man. Guy was not calm.

Evan Ortiz
Evan Ortiz

He's dead set on his goal, he's just not being a stuck-up asshole about it.

Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

In fact this Richard's design and character is quite good. They could make him worse, much worse.

Jayden Robinson
Jayden Robinson

It's not like he's shaking his knees out of nervousness or something.

Adrian Torres
Adrian Torres

Ayaka dyed her hair blonde in fate strange fake.

Andrew Young
Andrew Young

Okay cool. Don't really give enough of a shit about Fate anymore to really care? I guess you're expecting people to bitch and be dramatic though since Fate is a shitposting series so good luck with that.

Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

inb4 Hakuno demiservant Xavier

Kevin Thompson
Kevin Thompson

She looks good in it, so it's fine.

Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey

Black hair suites her more desu

Easton Ward
Easton Ward

She looks more like Manaka. That's not a good thing.

Daniel Foster
Daniel Foster

That's brown, though.

Jaxson Barnes
Jaxson Barnes

I'd fuck him no homo

Christopher James
Christopher James

There's a second Ayaka

So one of them is Manaka who's brain fucked to think she's her sistet probably

Gavin Wood
Gavin Wood

That's brown, though.
only because of the lightings, here's a clear one.

Aiden Walker
Aiden Walker

No, it really is brown. Nakahara colors it in a lighter tone than Takeuchi did in the sketches for the Prototype OVA. She has brown hair in most of the official artwork depicting her.

Andrew Howard
Andrew Howard

eh? looks black to me..

Nathaniel Ramirez
Nathaniel Ramirez

chinese

Aaron Bailey
Aaron Bailey

This is just Manaka's plot to get Arthur's dick. Pretending to be plain instead of psychotic.

Jackson Howard
Jackson Howard

like I said it's just lightings senpai, this is her official character design.

Gabriel Thompson
Gabriel Thompson

that short ponytail

Why didn't they keep her as another ally Master for F/SN

Jeremiah Fisher
Jeremiah Fisher

Again, in most of the official artwork she has brighter hair than she does on those two pages. Takeuchi is pretty much the only artist at TM who's colored her with black hair, everyone else just colors it dark brown or light brown depending on whether or not she's wearing her glasses.

Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

If best boy tea kettle can be a heroic spirit then so can anyone else.

Angel Mitchell
Angel Mitchell

Prisma isn't canon
That's not how Nasuverse works

The correct argument to make would be that Prisma's version of Cu Alter is not the only possible version. Grand Order (which is even more ridiculous than Prisma and still canon) demonstrates that plenty.
The Throne of Heroes exists outside all time and space; every possible Heroic Spirit from all the infinite alternate possible worlds exist there. There are as many variations of a Heroic Spirit as there are variations of their legend.

Brayden Thompson
Brayden Thompson

Is not really alter versions in prisma, they never was described as alter servants.

Jaxon Gutierrez
Jaxon Gutierrez

We've already seen what Cu's warp spasm looks like in the Nasuverse. It's just a werewolfy thing.
Stop spreading this misinformation. Beast form alter is not Riastrad Cu.

Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

I said sandniggers not brown people in general.

Understand Ahmed?

Michael Myers
Michael Myers

What else do you think it's a reference to?

I mean, seriously, it's a beast form for a hero known for taking on a beastly form during moments of great rage.

Brandon Roberts
Brandon Roberts

Being a literal Hound of Chulainn

Mason Long
Mason Long

Prisma is treated as dojinshi, not a spin-off.
The author pretty much said that and unlike other spin-off, he doesn't consult with Nasu to make the lore consistent and just do his own thing.

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

I like his cape

Camden Brown
Camden Brown

Why must Herc always be aligned with antagonists?

Why is being Herc such suffering?

Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

Because if he's aligned with the protagonists he would steamroll everything. There's no tension like that.

Jacob Adams
Jacob Adams

Herc has been fucked over by everything in the universe since the day he was born
And he still became so great he was honored as a god

Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

Sargon of Akkad. The man whom invented the very concept of an army.

Ryder Perry
Ryder Perry

He's Iskander
but better because he's older and older is always better

What would the difference be? What's the hook? The thing that Nasuverse writers always look for is a hook, either personality or powerset wise.

Michael Hall
Michael Hall

Alcides + Hippolyta > Achilles + Atalanta

Lincoln Richardson
Lincoln Richardson

Since he's the originator of armies one could have him recruit all of mankind's modern armies together to fight back against all the nasuverse bullshit happening as a sort of final stand for the dignity of modern man instead of us being completely swept up and annihilated by everything archaic?

Cameron Ramirez
Cameron Ramirez

Even if she is meant to be another Saber clone, she's notable for not actually being another fucking Saber class servant.

Jaxon Mitchell
Jaxon Mitchell

Given that a single Servant is equivalent to a fighter jet in terms of military effectiveness, I'd argue that modern armies far outstrip the heroes of old in just about every way.

Cameron King
Cameron King

fate/tards
lol

Austin Hernandez
Austin Hernandez

Prelati is male, the current host looks like a girl (with a bulge) but it's a guy. Zouken is a guy even if he took over female bodies.

Logan Brown
Logan Brown

Alcides x Hippolyta OTP

I'm betting she's going to die trying to keep him from losing himself to his anger again, and then he'll really snap.

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

Maybe my perception is skewed from Lancer taking Lancelot to the Danger Zone all those years ago?

Jackson Wright
Jackson Wright

recruit all of mankind's modern armies together to fight back against all the nasuverse bullshit happening as a sort of final stand for the dignity of modern man instead of us being completely swept up and annihilated by everything archaic?
You haven't been following Grand Order, have you?
The new world smashing aside and obliterating the old is Edison's job.
His Noble Phantasm is devastating to older heroes, as it drains and denies mystery and faith, shattering beliefs and dominating phantasms.

Jordan Nelson
Jordan Nelson

Prisma is treated as dojinshi, not a spin-off
dojinshi
You wish

Aiden Rodriguez
Aiden Rodriguez

Can't comment on that guy's points, but Saladin and Richard had a consistent correspondence and Saladin even sent Richard fruit and water to help Richard bring Richard back to health.

Also, fun fact, Saladin was rumored to have banged Eleanor of Aquitaine, Richard's mother, during the second crusade. This is, of course, baseless, seeing as how he would've been nine years old at the time, but he's got a weird, sordid history with the Angevian dynasty.

David King
David King

This is, of course, baseless, seeing as how he would've been nine years old at the time
implying it wasn't /ss/

Brandon Young
Brandon Young

No kidding, Saladin and Richard some pretty super homo as fuck. They probably crossed swords more than once if you know what I mean.

Oliver Adams
Oliver Adams

Dude, there are servants that can destroy entire cities effortlessly. EMIYA is a relatively low-tier Servant, and some of his projectile attacks are truly catastrophic in terms of the damage they cause.

Angel Hughes
Angel Hughes

EMIYA is a relatively low-tier Servant
Killed Herc six times in melee.

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

The point
Your head

Eli Morales
Eli Morales

Are you saying it's normal for a low tier servant to be able to kill one of the strongest servants in existence half a dozen times?

Anthony Harris
Anthony Harris

By the numbers, he's a low tier Servant.

Besides, EMIYA is Batman, he doesn't count.

Adam James
Adam James

No, Nasu said Gil's Enkidu is a chain named after Enkidu, not the actual real person.

The real Enkidu is forever archived in the Throne.

The real Enkidu is not a chain but a genuine original soul.

If Servant Enkidu and Gil appeared at the same time, Gil could still use his chain because it is just a chain named after the Servant Enkidu.

Andrew Walker
Andrew Walker

I am Muslim and I am telling you that suicide is forbidden. These fanatics are retarded.

Jaxson Ross
Jaxson Ross

virgins in the afterlife
hehehehe.

you'll be in for quite a surprise.

Ethan Murphy
Ethan Murphy

Suicide bombers don't consider their maneuver to be suicide from a religious perspective, but instead to be dying for the cause as a martyr.

Caleb Rogers
Caleb Rogers

He is low-tier. He can punch a little above his weight by having cool stolen NPs and being extremely tenacious, but he is explicitly not a very powerful Servant.

Lots of people managed to whittle lives off Berserkah Herc. Gil did it effortlessly, Arturia shaved some off while dealing with having Shirou's shitty stats. If you set EMIYA up against Archer Herakles he'd get absolutely raped.

Samuel Hughes
Samuel Hughes

He's look incredibly cool while doing so, though, which is his real power.

Eli Green
Eli Green

If you set EMIYA up against Archer Herakles he'd get absolutely raped.
To be fair, who wouldn't?

Ian Perry
Ian Perry

Emiya does not look cool. Emiya is not cool.

Adrian Sanders
Adrian Sanders

Gilgamesh pls go.

Anthony Cox
Anthony Cox

Cry some more Sweden, God emperor Trump and Putin are coming for your kebab

Mason Richardson
Mason Richardson

Did you forget when he managed to beat Francis Drake and Gawain? And how he's given fair odds at being Artoria provided the fight doesn't start at melee range?
His stats are low but his fighting ability is exceptional.

Owen Rodriguez
Owen Rodriguez

I'm just glad we finally got a warp-spasm Cu.

Adrian Gonzalez
Adrian Gonzalez

And that's retarded. Because it's the wrong way to do things.

Matthew Wilson
Matthew Wilson

Cu Chulainn
Not Solomon

Ayden Collins
Ayden Collins

It's currently unclear if grand servants can be summoned in regular servant containers.

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

Cu Alter is explicitly not what Berserker Cu naturally should be though. He's very lucid, but twisted by Medb's desires so he's not raging.

Jason Collins
Jason Collins

not wanting virgins
cuck detected
get off of my board with your roasties

Carter Allen
Carter Allen

Fuck off /pol/.

Nolan Clark
Nolan Clark

Assassin: Cain

Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

That sounds retarded.

Wait until Nasu figures out how to fit Monkey King in since Nasu said he had difficulty in introducing Monkey King to the Fateverse.

And Merlin is a better caster than Cu.

Henry King
Henry King

Assassin

Robert Morris
Robert Morris

Secondary detected.

After Archer's fight with Hercules, Hercules said that Archer gave him such a huge swordsmanship boner that Hercules regretted that he was summoned as the Berserker Class since he was unable to respond to Archer's master swordsmanship with his original Greek swordsmanship since it was sealed away due to being a Berserker class.

Get the fuck out of Sup Forums, newfag.

Hercules acknowledged the raping Archer did on his body even with GodHand activated with Hercule's leg melting and one arm hanging by a thin bone afterwards.

EMIYA actually got respect from Hercules which the same can't be said toward Gilgamesh,'

Archer is pretty high tier.

He invented Triple Crane Strike for a pair of famous Chinese swords that never got a chance to be used by anybody.

Nasu also said Archer invented his own bow and black vest, personal items he crafted by himself.

The bow and black vest was made of materials that didn't exist on Earth yet.

Only the red shroud was given to Archer by Ciel.

Leo Butler
Leo Butler

Reminder Archer can solo the entire war if he went full Archer Caladbolg-II spam if so he wanted in 2 days or less.

Carson Ortiz
Carson Ortiz

That's mostly because of Hakuno. Hakuno is a surprisingly good master. Only master who can get Archer D rank luck.

Daniel Davis
Daniel Davis

Reminder that it's not about powerlevels and Nasu has since long stopped answering those kinds of questions.

Jeremiah Miller
Jeremiah Miller

With that tactic Arash could do it in half a day.

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

Hakuno is a garbage master and everyone in Fate/Extra reminds you of it over and over.
If you want to say it's due to anyone, it's due to Rin and Rani helping you out on every single goddamn stage after the second week.

Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

Cu, a master spear men, got baited by Archer and Cu was starting to get pissed off after breaking Archer's daggers 20 times in a row and being unable to figure out who the fuck was Archer.

Also, Archer's Aias was unbreakable until he encountered Cu.

Archer even said this was the first time all the Petals were broken and that Gae Bolg did with Odin's spear was not able to do which is to break all the Petals.

This means Archer successfully fended off someone who had Odin's Spear as a weapon in the past.

David Mitchell
David Mitchell

It was 27 times he got disarmed

Christopher Howard
Christopher Howard

Wasn't Cu under orders to hold back by Kirei?

Christopher Stewart
Christopher Stewart

Hydra Bow doesn't have the same abilities as Archer's NPs.

One of Archer's Projectile NP has an ability that says it will chase the enemy forever to the ends of the world until it pierces the target.

Hercules's bow on the other hand has homing projectiles but it is not stated that they will also chase the enemy to the ends of the earth like Archer's projectiles so Archer has an edge in DURATION of an attack right now.

Levi Long
Levi Long

Hakuno is actually pretty good.
What she lacks in ability compensates it in high capability with any servant, also wits and actually using the library like most masters should (really, fucking no one does it in any war ever even if they know they can find weakness in enemies by studying their stories).

Grayson Rogers
Grayson Rogers

Fuck, Cu.

I rather have Cu's best friend and Cu's son that Cu personally killed.

Jaxson Kelly
Jaxson Kelly

One of Archer's Projectile NP has an ability that says it will chase the enemy forever to the ends of the world until it pierces the target.
You mean Hrunting. It only pursues the target for as long as Emiya is aiming at them.

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

The second time he was going full out.
That's why Archer tried to drag the battle instead of winning.

Charles Flores
Charles Flores

I'm pretty sure nobody asked.

Samuel Myers
Samuel Myers

Original Fate/Prototype anime when?

Jack Scott
Jack Scott

How the fuck was he able to use Excalibur?

Leo Hernandez
Leo Hernandez

embodiment of Gaia

I thought the embodiment of Gaia was Arcueid.

Nathaniel Ward
Nathaniel Ward

You are full of shit and you know it.

Brody Carter
Brody Carter

But Allah says otherwise, nice try kaffir for preventing me to get my precious 72 virgins.

Jaxson Green
Jaxson Green

Merlin can't be a Servant because he'll never die or get out of Avalon.

An amazing Caster would be Morgan le Fay. You know, the one who studied under Merlin and beat him by trapping him in Avalon.

Jack Turner
Jack Turner

No one actually knows who they are or what they are. It is just speculation.
Same with Edison, we only know true berserker is a mecha with lion head and spider legs, could be someone else.

Aiden Hernandez
Aiden Hernandez

Archer has good skill, enough to go toe-to-toe with the average Servant, but he can't hold a candle to any actual high tier fighter like Cu or Arturia. Arturia damn near killed him in literally two seconds. He was able to put up only a defensive fight against Cu thanks to being able to track him with his eyes and knowing his fighting style enough from fighting him the first time to invent false openings that still got him slightly hurt each time. Eye of the Mind is his primary strength in close combat, and it does have its limits.

Crane Wing Three Realm isn't an achievement of skill, as much as it is an achievement of Tracing and using Kanshou and Byakuya's natural ability of drawing each other nearer to the fullest extent. It's a technique suitable of the blacksmith hero, that only he could do. It's also only useful when the opponent has never seen it before, because if they know the gimmick, it becomes easy to avoid.

Heracles was definitely impressed with Archer's swordsmanship, and regretted not being able to face him as a sane man, but that does not mean that Archer could have put up nearly as good of a fight against him if he had been sane and had all his skill.

Carter Young
Carter Young

Hakuno is only a garbage master in the sense that they aren't a very good magus. But their tactical sense is so good that in CCC, every single master wants Hakuno on their side and to like them because Hakuno is the reason that any of the playable Servants won the Moon Cell Holy Grail War.

William White
William White

can't hold a candle to ... Arturia

Logan Diaz
Logan Diaz

About which part? Saladin was very good about appearing civil and honorable, and was ferocious about 'dispensing justice', see also the whole episode with Raynald of Châtillon.

The bit with Eleanor I picked up from a Dan Jones book about the Plantagenet dynasty, which are usually pretty well researched if meant for laymen.

Eli Jones
Eli Jones

user, Crane Wing isn't a swordsmanship technique. It's a blacksmith technique. He creates two sets of Kanshou and Bakuya which circle around the opponent and brings out a third set to strike with. It's an omnidirectional attack, so it's unavoidable, but it has nothing to do with Archer's skill as a swordsman and everything to do with the innate qualities of the swords he's using.

All he needed to do was throw the swords and they'd do what they needed to do on their own.

Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

Don't they have very good circuits? Just zero actual magus training.

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

he got his ass beat for that entire scene until he pulled a chuuni technique out of his ass
Archer fought Saber at the start of the VN and was nearly killed in a single exchange
Archer fought Saber Alter in the forest and got literally blown the fuck out

A single technique does not constitute the entirety of a warrior's skill. Saber Alter held back so that Shirou could fight her on equal terms. If she hadn't, Shirou would have died in the first swing.

Luke Young
Luke Young

Saber Alter held back so that Shirou could fight her on equal terms
[citation needed]

Wyatt Roberts
Wyatt Roberts

EMIYA is an Archer, he was in absolute disadvantage by going Melee against Berserker yet he did it and still took 6 lives.

He could've taken more if the fight started from long range.

If you set EMIYA up against Archer Herakles he'd get absolutely raped.
So you're just pretending to be retarded.

Matthew Smith
Matthew Smith

Dumb goat fuckers mane

Kevin Hall
Kevin Hall

loli spinoff Archer is the strongest Archer
mainFatefags blown the fuck out

James Campbell
James Campbell

gee Saber Alter tore Archer to shreds in the one instant they were in close range
how is Shirou, who doesn't even have stats on Archer's level, able to fight her without dying instantly?

She wanted to see the extent of his skill, and the extent of his skill is Tracing more swords and throwing them around. It's a cool move, and it's effective as a sneak attack, but it's not indicative of Archer's actual skill as a swordsman nor is it proof that he could beat Arturia in a close combat battle since he already lost to her twice.

Dylan Hall
Dylan Hall

Arturia damn near killed him in literally two seconds.
Nice out of context secondary shit. Next time read the VN.

Archer was surprised when he saw Saber so he lowered his guard, at the same time Rin dozed-off, when Archer realized what was going on he put himself in the way. The rest plays as in the VN, with Rin blaming herself for not paying attention.

Dominic Thompson
Dominic Thompson

Historically, we had even more than we do today, IIRC.
No shit, London is mostly non white and they elected a msulim who thinks moderate muslims are uncle toms.

I need to find a qt Pole and move to Poland the UK is completely fucked.

Juan Wilson
Juan Wilson

Yeah, no, I'm not gonna buy into your bullshit especially now that you're flinging secondary around like this is the Fate/Zero threads all over again. Only a retard would try and argue that Archer can go toe-to-toe with Saber, especially since he got distracted, which is only more proof that he's not in any position to fight her for real.

Matthew Hughes
Matthew Hughes

stats are in any way related to skill
Saber Alter is completely ruthless. At no point is it ever stated she was holding back against Shirou. The closest thing she ever does to an act of mercy is offer to kill Shirou rather than bring him back to Sakura in the forest, and that's only because Sakura gave her ambiguous orders. In SLH she's under orders to kill anyone who tries to get past her but Rin, and that's what she does. You have no evidence otherwise.

If we're using battle records as an example, consider that Archer killed Heracles six times in close combat where Saber failed to kill him even once until the Caliburn asspull.

Josiah Wright
Josiah Wright

So you're just pretending to be retarded? It was literally said that Archer got thrown off by seing Saber for the first time.

Angel Morris
Angel Morris

Saber was nerfed every time she fought Berserker.

Had a shit Master, so she couldn't replenish mana. Was wounded by Gae Bolg, so she was fighting with that wound the whole time. The wound never properly healed until after Lancer finally kicked the bucket. When she fought Berserker in the forest, she'd just barely recovered but didn't even have enough mana to throw out a real Excaliblast.

Jack Morris
Jack Morris

I-i'm not a secondary guise!!
W-w-what you say is a lie because I say so
Stop being so meannnnnn

Next time read the VN and read the materials secondary, stop pretending to know what you're talking about

Brandon Green
Brandon Green

This doesn't impact the skill discussion but wasn't it said that had they fought int he open and not in a cave that Alter Saber could have just spammed Excaliblast because she basically has an inifinite mana pool?

Dominic Jenkins
Dominic Jenkins

And Archer was "nerfed" by intentionally avoiding harming Illya and not using Unlimited Blade Works.
Any more excuses for your waifu?

Owen Nelson
Owen Nelson

And Archer is an Archer supposed to shoot from long distance, meanwhile Arturia is a Saber and couldn't manage to do jack shit in melee.

Archer>>Arturia

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

Why do people still eat this stuff up?

Joshua Cruz
Joshua Cruz

Yeah, she can.
It is explicitly said that she didn't because she wanted to see how much Shirou had grow.

Aaron Barnes
Aaron Barnes

It is explicitly said that she didn't because she wanted to see how much Shirou had grow.

Citation needed.

Jayden Harris
Jayden Harris

It's not mentioned in Sparks Liner High, but when both Shirou and Rider are fighting her she doesn't whip out Excalibur right away because of the possibility the force might cause the cavern to collapse.

It is explicitly said that she didn't because she wanted to see how much Shirou had grow.
Nowhere does it say that at all.
If you actually fucking read the VN the very first move of their fight is Saber trying three times to decapitate him outright and Shirou barely parrying all three swings, with the narrative explicitly noting they're both surprised.
Saber Alter is not fucking around with him at any point. She does not stop trying to kill him until he cuts her in half and she is physically unable to carry out Sakura's orders anymore.

Nathaniel Rogers
Nathaniel Rogers

I'm suprised that no one mentioned the imba Hydra Venom that killed almost everything that needed to be killed in the 12 Labors, killed more shit when the arrows were given to other people and ended up killing Herk's himself when he wore the poisonous coat. Apparently, the NP version is 9 homing laser nukes when shot from an arrow.

Cooper Williams
Cooper Williams

I don't know what anime this thread is about but I like the very pretty boy

Parker Phillips
Parker Phillips

Someone mentioned in a previous thread that the cloth covering his face is from his burial.

Aaron Watson
Aaron Watson

It's Hippolyta's girdle. Notice that True Rider has the same cloth wrapped around her arm.

Jace Bailey
Jace Bailey

Does that mean he also has access to all the rank-up stuff from it as well?

Isaac Martinez
Isaac Martinez

I'm looking at Herc's cloth and Hippolyta's girdle, and I just don't see the resemblance. Was it stated in the novel that they're the same item?

Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

I just want to know why Perseus when full edge

Owen Johnson
Owen Johnson

Have master
Sickly and dying when he summoned you
Think he's dumb at first, but eventually come to like him
Uses his last command spells to make you live on without him as a human, and he dies.
He summoned you because you were one of the only heroes who had a happy end, and lived to a full good life, unlike the others.
Realize this guy is cool, he's worth more than those other guys but he died. Even if you have to be a villain, this kid needs to live on, so he'll sacrifice whoever he needs to in order to get the grail to bring this guy back

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

That's because the towel on his face is the Nemean Lion's pelt

Parker Gomez
Parker Gomez

Not manly enough looking.

Blake Roberts
Blake Roberts

Arash isn't a Muslim you mongoloid

Jayden Morales
Jayden Morales

Because her personality would overlap with Rin's.

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