What are the best and worst anime Blu-Ray transfers?
What are the best and worst anime Blu-Ray transfers?
The recent Viz Sailor Moon sets
were among the worst
Any old Disney film transfer to DVD or bluray, I'm not sure how the Ghibli films look though.
Outlaw Star, Escaflowne
Oh, god, can we talk about Funimation and DBZ for a minute? They've been consistently fucking it up for over ten years. The only good home release is Kai, with the Dragon Boxes being a close second.
Pioneer single-disc sets
Funimation single-disc sets
"Unlimited Uncut Edition" (Saiyan Saga Only)
Dragon Box sets
"Level" BDs (Saiyan Saga Only)
The Pioneer release was shit because it was cut, the Funi release was actually okay. The UUE wasn't bad, either, but the Orange Boxes were a fucking travesty. The image was cropped to be 16:9 with absolutely no consideration for the image. The blues were pushed to all shit and the contrast was increased, making everything looks washed out as fuck. Then the image was blurred to get rid of grain and individual frames were blended together in an attempt to smooth out animation.
The result was shit. It was all shit all-round. The stills looked like shit, the animation looked like shit, 20% of the vertical image was lost and we only got like 5% of the horizontal image. The company that did the remaster hired a guy that, at the time, had only ever done editing on porn.
The Dragon Box is nearly perfect but lacks the dub OST option. The Level sets are based on the Dragon Box masters and the "Remastered" BDs are based on the orange bricks.
Pic related, it's the orange brick.
But how do DVD transfers compare to Blu?
I'm asking because I've heard that some bluray releases are upscales and look worse than the DVD counterpart.
Anything that's been QTEC'ed and upscaling SD shows from the early 2000's are all pretty terrible
The Aria sets weren't as good as I thought they would be.
I've heard people say Aria wasn't a good bluray release.
Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny. To be fair, the anniversary reairing George Lucas'd it so the DVD releases are the way to go. Mechs designs and music aside, not a good show in general.
Eva's were pretty bad.
Either the film scans they were working with were a decade old, or the remaster was purposefully made to have the same flaws as the DVD.
It's a mystery but they look pretty bad. Not terrible, though.
Don't have the screenshot but scene with the sparkling water whilst Kaoru and Yukishiro speak in the Kenshin OVA looks amazing on blu-ray.
Take it from me, somebody who bad every Orange brick set, a day does not go by where I do not regret buying these pieces of shit. I wish I had bought the dragon box sets instead but at the time I didn't have any spare cash. Unfortuneatly those things were limited print and now wer're stuck with the rest of the shit you mentioned.
Kai isn't even fully released in the states yet and it's not the complete DBZ anime - just chopped up to be more similar to the manga.
I fucking hate Funimation. You'd think they'd treat the one anime that saved them as a company with respect.
The blue brick sets of Dragon Ball were decent from what I recall, I only take issue with them taking out some insert songs because they couldn't get the licensing. Also the green GT bricks seemed fine as well.
Here is Sailor Moon and the R1 DVD off my shelf. Yes, they are pillarboxed
I hear Higurashi was awfully sharpened.
Aria got remastered?
I think the platinum edition of NGE was ok.
is this really amongst the worst? I've seen way worse. This looks passable.
I'm a faggot for saturated colours and think, if the were done well, I'd be OK with it. As for the widescreen shit, isn't possible to remaster an anime for widescreen with cropping? Hell, isn't it easier with cel anime as opposed to digital? How does live action get away with it?
Schemmel just finished recording for the Buu saga, and I'm pretty sure he said he was the last one, so that should be coming out pretty soon hopefully.
But yeah, seriously. Just look at this shit. Apparently the BDs are marginally better, but you're still losing ~15% of the picture and the picture itself is still mostly shit.
Just a picture for the OP since DBZ remasters are pretty controversial. Think both the Predator remasters for Blu ray and the Silent Hill HD collection, although nothing compares to how fucked Silent Hill was.
It'd be better if the saturated colors didn't also crush blacks or drown out all of the colors with white (inconsistently throughout the sets).
The cropping can and has worked. The TV broadcast and Japanese DVD release of Kai were in 16:9 and were remastered frame-by-frame, meaning that you didn't end up with frames where half of the casts's heads were cut off or face shots where you couldn't see the mouth or eyes.
In the standard practice of inconsistently releasing DBZ, the Japanese BD release of Kai as well as every US version of Kai was in 4:3, as opposed to the Japanese broadcast and DVD 16:9.
I will never understand the hate people have for black bars
do people really hate them that much that they'd buy a version with less picture?
Try watching a pillarboxed 4x3 DVD or Bluray on a 16x9 screen
In the standard practice of inconsistently releasing DBZ, the Japanese BD release of Kai as well as every US version of Kai was in 4:3, as opposed to the Japanese broadcast and DVD 16:9.
Similarly, the Japanese broadcast of Buu saga Kai has a weird piss-yellow tint and is a different cut than every other version of Buu saga Kai (which was funded by Nicktoons and Funimation because of Z Kai's high ratings), since they had to rush to re-cut it to have it replace the rest of Toriko's run and have it wrap up in time to be replaced by Dragon Ball Super.
Your best bet for a good restoration is Dragon Ball Kai after 2012 (because the original composure for Kai's music sucks ass)
The restored Dragon Ball Z blu-rays that came out, are essentially the exact same things as the Orange Box's but with more fucking contrast so its dark and bright as shit, the cropping still exists.
The Dragon Box tricked a lot of people, cause it was around the same as the orange box, and people thought "this is more funimation bullshit isnt it" similar to Dragon Ball Kai seasons coming out, and then Level 1.1 1.2 then Dragon Ball Kai season 1 again.
Funimation is fucking retarded.
Dragon Boxes are ultra expensive.
Even torrents suck.
The best 1080p torrent out there has the first 50 episodes in english only with the shit music, then it switches to dual audio with good music.
Everything else is unseeded, or shit tv rips.
Buying the Kai sets is equally as bad, $31 for multi dvd/bluray and theirs plenty to buy but its not even finished in America.
the best bdrips i ever got were some spanish dudes from /t/ but he didn't make it to the cell saga.
then something happened where he didn't like that other groups were releasing it too so he stopped, so i don't have any good BDs starting at the end of namek
I do all the time
it doesn't bother me as much as cropping does, in fact it doesn't bother me at all
old Disney movie
special blur-ray edition
that's not a typo
Some shows were mastered at standard definition, so they'll look bad when upscaled
did Funi really release that
Why would they do this.
You can't look at this and say, hey, it looks better now.
Haibane Renmei Complete Edition DVD from Funimation. It's actually pretty good I think.
I think they did this with Sword in the Stone, Fox and the Hound, Robin Hood, and Sleeping Beauty.
The dvds I have of the Rescuers and Down Under are pillarboxed too.
bost coalgirls rip :DDD
This is from the DVDs off my shelf.
That can't be real. God, not even the old VHS I had looked as bad as this.
Because people will buy it anyway, for their kids, and the kids won't give a flying fuck how it looks.
Disney don't have to care about how it looks, so they don't.
Every time they do one of these "zoom it in a little and remove the grain" jobs, I die a little bit inside. The amount of detail/color lost is depressing. Even more so that people buy it and think it looks great. Cowboy Bebop has one of these too. Pure dog shit.
Any moment with shaking or quick movement (ie: every moment) has this bleed-in effect where the lines just stop existing because technically two frames are being blended together due to the remastering process.
Bukkake Vegeta, faceless SSJ Goku, mouth-foaming Nappa and space panties Bulma are probably the best examples of this.
Its weird because the Hulu uploads of their SM re-release have been good so far.
That's one severe
haloing you got there.
The Aria DVDs are solid to my eyes.
cutting off massive chunks from the top and bottom because 4:3 can't be HD
And the Bluray sets continue to sell because
"I want it to fill the whole screen!"
I have the dvds from FUNI, they're not bad.
I still have yet to buy any blurays. I don't mind 480p
Video game companies do the same.
i just love grain/cel edges from older series
new BDs for the most part are just adding nipples
or not adding nipples like pic related
Why would you watch that? It has no plot except the general moe "hurr durr cute things are cute"
yu yu hakusho blu rays are GOAT
You're thinking of K-on. Aria's charm is in the beauty of life and Neo-Venezia. Non Non Biyori is like that too.
but it actually improves for the games...
but that's just swapping out the digitized sprites of the actual artwork for the actual artwork
It's literally an upscale.
Aria or Higurashi?
I wish they did a good 4:3 release once and for all. I want to see it as it was conceived, not a cropped version.
Looks pretty good considering its a 1967 film
what the fug
They charge a premium price for their blurays too
Trust and betrayal should be an example of how remasters should be done
The new one is better because it doesn't fill my screen with autism bars. Besides, it feels weird watching things from before you were born. This is much better.
it's just a prank bro. Nobody thinks like this. Calm the fuck down.
Nobody thinks like this
Unfortunately they do, that's the entire problem.
That's a good one /co/.
who are you quoting
Is there a problem with doing this? I've never noticed anything wrong.
g gundam better be good
wtf is "level set" ?
ashamed to say I hadn't noticed that yet. That does make it a more glaring issue than I hard originally seen it as indeed.
Funi's original series of DBZ blurays. Lasted two volumes before getting canceled in favor of that garbage on the right.
Lasted two volumes before getting canceled in favor of that garbage on the right.
WHAT WHY???????? are gooks fucking blind?
Funi user. Americans are retarded. Muh non-grain 16:9.
WHAT DO CASUALFAGS HAVE AGAINST GRAIN????? FUCK
"It looks old".
I was assuming the decision was made by gooks and not Funi, since Funi had first decided to do it the right way, and then stopped
It's too distracting for their brain apparently is what I gather.
No, it was all Funi. They cited "cost-effectiveness" and "audience expectancy" as their reasons.
Toei had nothing to do with it, and were putting out Dragonball Kai in 4:3 on Bluray at the same time Funi did this.
I'm a photographer, and I also fucking rage against my "fellow photographers" who go nuts with the noise removal filters, making everything look like shit
Same with people who use all those smudge filters for old emulator games.
The Dragon Box is nearly perfect but lacks the dub OST option.
Is there a way to make an audio version compatible with dragon box?
There was one release of DBZ I found that had dub OST in it, but it was 16:9 so eventually I deleted it.
Kinda regret that now, wonder if the audio can be synced up.
EoE was pretty grody looking. On an HDTV it's alright, but up close you really see the muddiness and outright damage on the film.
Here's a snap from the blu ray.
Sprites will always looks better
oh nice, ghosting
Here's an approximation of the actual cel used to film that frame. The entire frame is a blurry mess in the finished film, looking very 480p.
Anymore EoE cells? This looks awesome
there is/was a huge cell thread on Sup Forums a while ago with some eva ones
To the archives it is.
here you go
I think I heard once that the reason Funimation keeps releasing DBZ in cropped widescreen is that it just sells more than the 4:3 releases.
Every Miyazaki film I've seen has had a great BD transfer.
Bebop's BDs were great remasters, except for the shots with digital effects, which had to be upscaled.
Because people are stupid and I've checked the Funi forums and mindsets like actually exist and dominate those discussions.
The grain has its charm.
In terms of improvement over the DVD, I'd have to say Record of Lodoss War.
Here's a shot from my old Right Stuf DVD.
740 MiB per episode
And here's what the BD looks like.
And sorry, it wasn't Right Stuf, but US Manga Corps, a subdivision of Central Park Media, who released those old DVDs.
this is true. i know plenty of people that have bought the orange bricks, including myself when they first came out, and people dont look into it, plus they are cheap and there isnt any other alternative.
Meant to say that's what a good remaster, even at 480p, of 16mm film looks like.
Utena is a great example of good 16mm film at 1080p.
That's pretty good.
The real reason that shit sells better is because the widescreen releases are in cheap box sets and the 4:3 stuff is in more expensive formats.
I refused to watch this until the BD came out.
Im glad I waited as they are great
Brigadoon looks stunning in BD HD. Too bad nobody fucking ripped and uploaded it.
Outlaw Star was a fantastic transfer. Here's another comparison of the old DVDs
...to the new BD.
And RX782 did a fantastic job on his encode and it's well worth all 79 gigs.
Its should be a crime to have DVDs you PAY for, sourced on (x)generation digibetas...
Pic relatedHunter x Hunter 2008 DVDs....
Literal sharpen. I'll get you an image in a minute.
BD looks kinda off for some reason. I actually watched it by DVD.
First generation DVDs were thought to be watched on CRT TVs, so image quality was not on the mind of the people doing the transfers.
I have the Dragon Boxes and I have the audio from the Orange Bricks. I tried to sync the two a few years ago, but I have no idea how to go about doing it. I tried muxing the audio, but there's a slight delay for the dub ost track.
This makes me rage so hard. I need to send a letter to Funimation. Or go on Reddit and They don't even see how asinine it is to take a legitimately crafted top-and-bottom crop and just slice off the left and right sides. It doesn't even make it "feel" like a 4:3 image, most notably in frames where stuff is just offscreen. It just looks dumb and feels cramped. It's such a dumb choice. And they put it like that on TV even.
I'm not normally pro-cropping for widescreen, but DBZ almost always has generic backgrounds and character framing is not important. Kai is just fine the way it was. But they had to fuck it up with some very faggy fucking choice to make it 4:3, when actually it does nothing to make it feel the way 4:3 stuff feels when does correctly. Did they never watch 1940's movies? THAT is the Academy Ratio. It isn't just putting black bars over the sides of the screen. Funimation objectively fucked up and probably hurt their own sales and they don't even know. Somebody fucking storm their facility. I hate Grandma Goku but sometimes I watch Japanese Kai anyway. Fuck.
MariMite (BD) and Utena (DVD) remasters are fantastic.
Are you retarded? Kai was originally made in 4:3 and cropped to 16:9 for the TV broadcasts and DVD releases, you dumb fuck.
Tbh for a circa 2000 dvd thats pretty bad
The left one is obviously better.
Maybe upload audio on to mega and I could see about lining it up.
I've done some sorcery with audio and video before, but not syncing. It'll make for a fun project.
Utena's BDs are even better.
Especially the movie.
It was years later, as the majority of households were switching to flat-panel televisions that really showed good image quality(even before the whole HD shebang) that DVD remasters started to become a thing. This was true with both Hollywood and Japan.
I found the BDs for the serie to be the same as the DVD, though maybe a bit more grainy, so I'd say that the DVDs are enoguh.
I agree with you on the movie though, it's incredible.
Here's the Higurashi BD & DVD.
And then they upscaled and filtered it to hell and back.
BDs for the serie to be the same as the DVD
Nigger you need to get your eyes checked.
I think the Death Note BD was pretty bad, except for probably the Director's Cut ones, those looked okay.
Lain got a good BD transfer too.
That's a blurry DVNR'd fucking mess.
Outlaw Star is one of the best BDs I've seen yet. Perfectly fine grain, amazing colors.
The BD just seems more grainy, senpai, specially when it's actually in motion.
Sure, watch this space. It might take me a while, my upload speed is fucking terrible.
And sharper lines because it's not scrubbing the grain out.
That shit you posted looks like a blurry mess.
Yes, that's the intended outcome. Doesn't Utena's BD have some interlacing issues though?
Want to do a comparison to demonstrate?
Early digital was truly a dark age.
I don't recall any specific issues, but probably some of the shots with digital effects, maybe?
Get your placebo sensor checked, desu.
drowning out the coloreds
liberal cuck detected
Dang, aioh, back at it with the brown bitches again.
Gonna need this, Iczer-1, and Megazone 23 at some point.
Which release are you using?
Live action shouldn't get away with it. Maybe they filmed in a boxier aspect and merely matted out to make 2.35:1, but it's not like they're cutting out material because what's in frame is what the director wanted to be shown. For anime, cropping means removing 25% of the image that was absolutely intended to be seen, otherwise WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY HAVE SPEND TENS OF MANHOURS, PER CEL, DRAWING/INKING/FILMING/STORING IT.
Wait, since when was there a BD?
still no Tutu BD remaster
Just kill me.
Were the BDs stretched or is that you doing that?
Tutu's a pre-HD digital anime. It's not gonna look so hot.
That's why it should be a remaster, and not an upscale.
Maybe they filmed in a boxier aspect and merely matted out to make 2.35:1, but it's not like they're cutting out material because what's in frame is what the director wanted to be shown.
Hollywood movies have been shooting in widescreen since the 40s and any time you ever saw it cut down to 4:3 for TV broadcast or home video, it was cutting off upwards of 30-50% of the frame.
2014. It hit under the radar. It looks kinda better, but I guess it's better than nothing.
They CAN'T remaster. There's no master film strip to rescan.
That's why pre-HD digital anime is so bumfucked when it comes to BDs.
There's really not much they can do other than using some computer wizardy to make it look kind of not-shit, there's nothing physical to rescan other than SD digital video stored on some betamax tapes, but you're going to end up with more of a Haibane Renmei than a Kamichu as a result.
Is the left supposed to look worse here?
Yes. They were stretched. Not that it looks bad, though.
I think Lain transitioned well to BD.
Left is the BD. Right is the DVD.
BD and DVD
It's literally the same shit for Higurashi.
Fuck 00's digital sources.
Jesus fuck DEEN.
Speaking of DBZ, should I skip the World Tournament Saga? So far it's just filler with Goku fighting people in otherworld
unless that IS the saga in which case fuck
I can hardly tell the difference at casual glance other than the aspect. BD could have advantage because you can store more data at a higher less compressed bitrate, but it's gonna look like shit on an HDTV either way.
Yeah just skip to Namek.
Quick thing I did in paint for Abenobashi.
tfw own all the orange boxes
Well, for one, you can actually see the sweat on their faces in this pic
It starts with 5 episodes of filler before going into a timeskip and back to canon.
It's some of the better filler in Z, though.
That looks intentional to censor her body.
Did they hire a team of 13 year olds to redraw everything in photoshop?
For some odd reason, that guy on the left seems more detailed and completely disappointed. He looks so fucking sad.
Is the show even worth watching, or should I just read the manga?
Is the show even worth watching
or should I just read the manga?
It's meh all around honestly. The manga is faster paced and worth reading.
Just so sad.
Never was good. Just watch it if you have the time.
Guess I'll just read it then, thanks anons.
I actually liked the 3DS version the most tbqh
I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired." Also, I have a LOT more experience, writing, dubbing, directing and acting in anime than I did when I recorded DBZ the first time. That was my first acting audition. I understand Japanese culture, voice acting, adaptation, the differences between Japanese and English significantly more, and, as far as music is concerned I have vast experience in that area, so when I tell you the music will suck, aside from your own subjective experience, I'm pretty qualified to talk about the suckiness of music or not. Of course to each his own at the end of the day. I will be silent about my opinions no longer. We did the best we could with DBZ with some really really crappy decisions that were made by people, who in my opinion, not only had zero artistic talent and experience, were also trying to appease american audiences to make money because perhaps they thought the Pokemon formula would work for DBZ. If America wasn't so uptight about things and parents didn't allow the tv to babysit their children, perhaps more shows would come the U.S. and be uncut. At the end of the day, I am, and have always been a freelance actor, and just because I work for a company doesn't mean I support their decisions. This is the first time I have supported Funi's decisions publicly, and the staff at Funi is now amazing. It's a completely different company.
Have a nice day.
The Dragon Box is nearly perfect but lacks the dub OST option
Shouldn't that make it perfect?
Justin: Something to note about Dragon Ball Z Kai is that this brought Dragon Ball Z back to a new generation.
Seán: True. But what’s interesting about it is that the original Dragon Ball Z dub by FUNimation, they were trying to do so much to make it palatable to everyone, and anime wasn’t popular at the time, but anime had become more popular to the point that they felt confident that they could release something pure and true to the original form. Which I’m a fan of, as a purist.
I had a moment when recording Kai, and I worked on Dragon Ball Z, and I understood that it was popular, but I didn’t understand why it was SO popular. I couldn’t boil it all down to explosions and fighting. ‘Yeah, monster trucks are exciting, but not everybody loves them. So why is Dragon Ball Z more popular than monster trucks?’ So I tried to do the math and I figured out that in Kai, when we had some of the raw Japanese translation, it was like, as an actor, ‘Ohh, NOW I get why this is so deep.’ In recent months I’ve discovered, that people often ask me: ‘What’s your favorite story arc?’ It’s not this saga or that saga, it’s the entire Goku–Vegeta relationship.
Which you don’t understand completely unless you watch Kai because it’s explored more deeply because it’s closer to the original Japanese translation. And I was a much better actor by the time we recorded Kai.
you can easily push back the highlights.
just watch out for banding if you pushed it too much.
Is he talking about the dub or the shit funi released?
dude, I worked hard and you know nothing, so eat your shit and be happy
Behind the scenes at Funimation...
Level Set (this one is good)
Recent Blu-ray set (it sucks)
"Orange Bricks for looking brighter and bolder"
enters to a technical discussion of BD fuck ups
asks like a nigger terminology that can be googled.
Just get the fuck out.
Take it easy, user
autism: the post
removed ALL the grain
Consider having eye replacement surgery
Does anyone have that screencap from the BD release of a 70s anime that was made from upscaling a VHS copy?
Nice /sp/ tier meme
Your argument sure told him.
Being grainy is a sign of a good transfer. Grain is an inherent part of film, if you scrub all of the grain out, you lose a lot of detail.
I know this had that treatment, I'd hate to think there are more.
But Master Keaton is from 1998.
What are the best releases for Kamichu and Utena?
Your argument sure told him.
why do you talk about your autistic self in third person?
posts K-on with Tanks
Playing the samefag game now? You (or that other anon) are still cancerous as fuck, so fuck off.
you're not fooling anyone, user. stop embarrassing yourself
It really shows how the animation has aged well. The GC has not. Though to be fair, the GC effects in Bebop weren't particularly stunning even for its time.
That's it. I couldn't remember when it was. I thought it was older.
I haven't seen this joke in a long time.
Damn, I haven't seen this image in like 4 years.
Yu Yu Hakusho
read the filename next time
DVD video is stored at 720x480 and stretched by the player to the proper aspect ratio
H264 video on BD is 1920x1080 and 16:9 always
No, I mean where did he get his release from?
literally the best
Too many posts to reply to but here is the situation with syncing DB/DBZ/DBGT releases w.r.t. audio (and subs too):
Every release has discontinuities at:
Beginning of episode (usually mostly the same for the whole series)
End of OP / beginning of prologue
End of A-part / beginning of B-part
NEP (if available)
Anywhere from 0, to 5, to 60 or whatever NTSC frames. It's not as simple as just delaying an audio track. You would need to find all the discontinuities (where and how much) and account for them somehow.
I've tried writing some programs to sync and my data looks like pic related
;^) fun image friend
Well when the only complete 4:3 release was an expensive limited edition set that's now out of print, then of course the cheaper $20 widescreen sets are going to sell more. No fucking shit.
The Level set blu-rays sold poorly because they had just finishing releasing Kai and the Dragon Boxes at the time and nobody in their right mind was going to buy the series again right away. Funimation fucked up by doing all their releases close together. There is no way releasing the show in widescreen affected sales in any positive manner.
I miss those old washed out colors and Goku when he was a decent father.
Not to mention, Funimation ran a poll, 4:3 won as the popular vote, and they decided to ignore it and print 16:9 discs anyway.
I am so glad I was fortunate enough to have bought every Dragon Box set as they came out. All of these other releases are just one bullshit thing after another. Even Kai got fucked over with the whole music scandal thing.
It's different for games because you can actually improve them instead of of making "edits".
So... are you saying disney for best or worst?
While we're on the subject of BDs, do the Kill la Kill BDs add nipples?
Cause I'll actually watch it if they do.
that outlaw star BD though
it's like someone forgot to set the gamma correctly
Only kind of related to Blu-rays, but I found this awhile ago.
What release is "New"?
I'll just post this since I can't find the chart I saved that must be floating somewhere.
The damage done is clear as day.
dem BD hips
My thought is that Rayearth is trash along with every other frame of tripe Clamp has ever inspired. If you enjoy it you should feel bad and reevaluate your life.
Say no more.
That is a very nice BD.
Exactly. No replacement music is a plus, not a flaw. DBZ's American fans need to be weaned off that shit already.
There was a kick in the Gamma from processing, obviously.
face looks better though
This needs a BD so damn bad.
Why would they?
What is that screenshot from? Is it good?
4:3 won as the popular vote
Pretty sure amerifats voted for muh 16:9
Is there any active torrent for the level sets?
SLAYERS BLURAY REMASTER WHEN???