This is why tanks are simply better

Isaac Baker
Isaac Baker

build multi-million dollars giant robots
armed them with melee weapons and up-scale guns

This is why tanks are simply better.

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Ryan Evans
Ryan Evans

better
cheaper
fixed that for you

Anthony Rodriguez
Anthony Rodriguez

Rule of cool.

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

This is why tanks are simply better.
As well as a shitload of other reasons.

Ryan Martinez
Ryan Martinez

I wish there were less anime about mecha and more about tanks honestly

Ian Richardson
Ian Richardson

This makes me smile every time.

Mechas with bow and arrow when?
direct fire
indirect fire

Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

mechs could move a little more uninhibited, plus they have more armor.

Carson Baker
Carson Baker

mechs could move a little more uninhibited,
plus they have more armor.

Nigga you went full retard.

Isaiah James
Isaiah James

more armor

If you mean less with more weakspots you are right.

Jack Miller
Jack Miller

Rule of cool ect
On a serious note, power armor on the other hand is most useful up to the point it becomes prohibitive to enter buildings. A power armor larger than this but still small enough to navigate tight corridors too narrow for a tank to navigate is also useful. Giant mech suits are dumb, full stop, no mechanical engineer or flag officer has ever argued in favor of them, only dumb weeaboo, so you don't have to worry about DARPA getting in their heads to build one, they know better. Dumb weeaboo will weeaboo, for the sophisticated we have shit like strike witches.

Logan Kelly
Logan Kelly

Where could a mech go that a modern tank couldn't? Most mechs are wider than tanks, they would have trouble moving down a street without knocking shit over, they can't go into wooded areas at all, they'd do a bit better on mountains or something maybe.

Mason Ramirez
Mason Ramirez

On a serious note, power armor on the other hand is most useful

And we don't get power armor or just exos on animu.

inb4 kamen rider
No, it isn't the same.

Brandon Cruz
Brandon Cruz

/m/
We don't care about robots here.

Lucas Harris
Lucas Harris

'Tanks are better'
Can only go over relatively level terrain
Fixed weaponry
Horrible turn radius
Almost zero ability to dodge
Sitting ducks if the enemy has air support
Only way they are viable is a mass attack

Meanwhile mobile suits
Are able to traverse many different types of terrains
able to arm itself with a variety of weapons
Can turn in a dime macross Zero style compared to a tank
Human like motion allows it to easily dodge incoming shots.
Able to easily defend against enemy air support
A single mobile suit can solo at least several tanks at once
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikB8B26OUpE

There's a reason the Feddies stopped using the Type-81 after the One Year War.

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

please nobody take the bait

Daniel Walker
Daniel Walker

This is an anime and manga board and in anime/manga mecha >>>> tanks always.

B-But muh realism

No one cares.

Luis Cooper
Luis Cooper

You asshat already took it.
Why even reply to that?

Brayden Wright
Brayden Wright

https://youtu.be/ikB8B26OUpE?t=1m14s

Look at how well your precious tanks do in a real battle and tell me it's bait.

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

mechs could move a little more uninhibited, plus they have more armor.
Mechs have a lot more surface area per given volume therefore for the same weight, they will be much less armored. Mechs also have higher ground pressure therefore is worse in soft terrain.

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

Heavy Objects > Tanks > Exos/power armor > Mechas

Liam Watson
Liam Watson

It's funny how the modern soldier humps more weight than a fully suited medieval knight but no one gets that (muh womyns, the real lunacy to be argued against). The GitS cyborgs make power armor redundant so I'll count them.

Grayson Hughes
Grayson Hughes

Where could a mech go that a modern tank couldn't?
Mechs can climb or jump over obstacles whereas tanks are limited to driving on relatively flat surfaces.

Jayden White
Jayden White

anime/manga mecha >>>> tanks

Connor Wright
Connor Wright

And we don't get power armor or just exos on animu.

Parker King
Parker King

cyborgs

user. That'll probably take longer than fully functional Power armor a 40k style.

Matthew Lopez
Matthew Lopez

This is why tanks are simply more boring.
FTFY
Mecha are a manchild explanation to make people like him into massive gods made metal in near-magical techno-armor like a knight.

You don't go to mecha expressly for realism.

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

We've been over this, since it's Sup Forums related it follows anime logic
It all depends on who's driving the mech, who's driving the tank and which one is relevant to plot

Joshua Watson
Joshua Watson

This is an accurate depiction of tank vs mech combat. A 200 billion dollar machine will die from an 8 million dollar one.

John Anderson
John Anderson

Mech
not even once

Ayden Kelly
Ayden Kelly

Tactical nukes wreak traditional notions about the properties of massed forces. Carrier groups are the exception to this rule because they project force far outwards, if anything gets close they're fucked.

Evan Ortiz
Evan Ortiz

Heavy Objects are just as silly as normal mechs. They just look different to hide it.

Daniel Jones
Daniel Jones

Tanks don't have air conditioning.

Owen Perry
Owen Perry

You got GuP, isn't that enough?

Owen Wood
Owen Wood

Protip, an Abrams can plow through just about anything. For rooting out jungles there's helicopters and even a big ass mecha would get stuck in the muck, advantage power suits.

Owen Davis
Owen Davis

Tanks don't have air conditioning

Maybe some soviet-era shitbox. Every modern MBT has some bomb-ass air conditioning.

Nathaniel Garcia
Nathaniel Garcia

ITT: Plebs

Giant Robotic Centipedes and Sandworms will be superior to Bipedal Robots and Tanks in everyday.

People are just afraid that everyone will think they are evil scientists if they started designing and creating giant Insect Based Robots for Military Use since the Bodies of Insects are actually Ideal Forms for Movement in many environments.

So this is why we waste time with Silly Shit like Big Dog.

Robot Snakes or Robot Centipedes would be Bad PR and too Creepy even though they are more Practical.

Caleb Jackson
Caleb Jackson

Zaku fails to check his surroundings and walks into a tank column that is at an elevated position.
Doesn't immediately use his boosters to jump out of the area.
More like a tank wank where the Zaku pilot is an idiot and walked into the one area where the tanks had a chance and stood there with his thumb up his ass.

Thomas Rodriguez
Thomas Rodriguez

Abramas can go through anything
But if the terrain is to hard to traverse, just use a helicopter
You're an idiot that just conceded mobile suits can do both jobs of a tank and chopper.

Aaron Lee
Aaron Lee

Abrams may go through anything, but watch out if you make a turn without going at a snail pace.

Jack Baker
Jack Baker

The abrams is an obsolete piece of shit with a meme engine

Still better than a mech

Xavier Sanchez
Xavier Sanchez

Or anything mushy.

Enjoy being a sitting duck while you spend several minutes trying to get out the mud while a mobile suit just walks up to you with not problems and blows you sky high.

Luis Walker
Luis Walker

Still better than a mech
Obviously.
Giant mecha as a concept have been obsolete ever since the Germans tried to build giant super weapons and failed horribly, allowing us all to have a hearty laugh and pretend we knew from the beginning that it's just silly to supersize everything.

Colton Carter
Colton Carter

mech
walking through mud
not sinking up to his fucking knees in the shit

Is your mech wearing snow shoes?

Luis Cruz
Luis Cruz

The mech would be putting significantly more pressure on smaller areas of ground, meaning that it would get mired down just as easily in deep mud.

Plus all you'd have to do is hit the knee joint with an AT weapon.

Nolan Lopez
Nolan Lopez

Using the same technology, one could replace the legs with treads and the hands with guns. This reduces overall complexity (and therefore cost and maintenance), and is a much more useful weapon.

However, it suffers from a fatal flaw: the toy for it looks really stupid, so nobody is going to buy that. A giant robot that looks like a demon samurai is clearly a better idea.

Joseph Murphy
Joseph Murphy

And we don't get power armor or just exos on animu.
Macross Frontier Ex-gear. Exo-like anti-g-suit.

Benjamin Gomez
Benjamin Gomez

Or just a plain shot to the leg would make the mecha fall down due to stopping power.

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

No that's a good track you're on. Let's build on that
I propose we add a torso joint so the robot can rotate the weapons platform 360 degrees, and give it an overall lower profile.

We shall call this novel invention a TANK

Ayden Moore
Ayden Moore

Thinking mud is just a bottomless pit of quicksand and the weight of the mobile suit won't just disperse the viscus portion of the mud.
Thinking a gun would be accurate enough to hit the joints
Thinking that a mobile suit will no longer be a thread if you take out a leg joint
This is comical thinking.

They already showed several scenes of mobile suits going through extremely muddy regions with no problem. Meanwhile all you need to do is damage a tank's tread and they're fucked.

Jordan Allen
Jordan Allen

And dumb-bombs cheaper than laser-guided and can do the same job. But we still have JDAM and GPS-guided munitions.

Jordan King
Jordan King

Tanks
Good
Pick one

Cooper Bell
Cooper Bell

Tanks cant carry beam weapons in UC as the reactors required for them are too large. If you were to upscale a tank in order to use beam weaponry it would be just as impractical if not more so than mobilesuits, especially since due to a tank basically being a box your much more likely to hit the reactor and turn the thing into a nuke when compared to a mobile suit where there are various limbs you can disable to effectively kill it with out it turning into a nuke

Owen Young
Owen Young

soviet-era shitbox
They still have decent ventilation systems.

Jaxson Ross
Jaxson Ross

But how will it hold its laser sword?

Luke Peterson
Luke Peterson

I remember this fight being much cooler when I saw it as a kid. helmet was the hero.

Jacob Wright
Jacob Wright

Well when you completely throw out reality, I suppose you can maintain any fallacy. In any realistic situation where real-world physics applies, a bipedal mech would be useless as it became larger in size, as its mass would have to increase as well.

And when I mentioned an AT weapon, I was talking about any shoulder-fired system such as an RPG7 or Carl Gustav.

Oliver Baker
Oliver Baker

Thinking that a mobile suit will no longer be a thread if you take out a leg joint

First you meant threat you nigglet.

Second a mecha without a leg joint will be crawling mecha.

Thinking a gun would be accurate enough to hit the joints

They are you nigger. A sabot round would snipe the shit out of a mecha.

Thinking mud is just a bottomless pit of quicksand and the weight of the mobile suit won't just disperse the viscus portion of the mud.

Nigger, it doesn't need to be too deep to fuck with the mecha's mobility AND stability.

You have to choose between mobility, armor and firepower. A realistic mecha only has mobility and some firepower(with a need of constant resupply).

Ethan Johnson
Ethan Johnson

You hold it yourself and drive closer

James Brooks
James Brooks

a tank basically being a box
No, a tank is basically a piece of armor tightly clamped around what innards it needs.
At the same amount of armor, a tank would be better armored than a mobile suit and have fewer weak spots to take advantage of. It would be more difficult to turn into a nuke than the MS.
Tanks for ground warfare, and planes for aerial warfare.

William Sullivan
William Sullivan

In UC you can only use dumb-bombs and fly by wire due to particle interference.

Logan Reed
Logan Reed

It gets hot as balls inside a T-72 on a mildly warm day.

Thomas Reyes
Thomas Reyes

Am i the only one who likes stuff like in Sora no Woto?
I mean that freaking spider tank was pretty fun. And it could still be somewhat used in real world. Somewhat. Doesn't mean it's good, but it's still somewhat believable.

Jason Anderson
Jason Anderson

Mechafags on suicide watch

Also, just look at that sexy beast

Kevin Peterson
Kevin Peterson

Not pictured: a justification for the humanoid mode.

Caleb Murphy
Caleb Murphy

If you want believable mecha, I guess you could try FLAG.
It's still running on anime physics, but they tried.

Jordan Perez
Jordan Perez

Poland One coming through

I can't take this shit serious.

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

Why do nips fetishize big guns so much? Did they learn nothing from WW2? They're worse than Germans.

Brayden Brooks
Brayden Brooks

But beam weaponry invalidates armor in UC. thats the whole reason why Ms's start using thinner and lighter armor and miniaturize so much by f91 and victory

Nathan Reed
Nathan Reed

So functionally, what was the point of making it look like an 80s scifi spaceship?

Evan Davis
Evan Davis

fetishize big guns

Try and take a guess. Ill give you a hint It has to do with dicks.

Juan Cooper
Juan Cooper

Tanks
Mechs
Implying there isn't something that beats both.

Dominic Edwards
Dominic Edwards

Well, of course you can always step it up

Austin Reyes
Austin Reyes

You make it sound like the world can't support 58.1 metric tons and it would cause the land it walks on to collapse. The Ground tends to be extremely stable for the most part, even those uneven portions that a tank can't get through.

Go into a muddy area
Start to sink
Use backpack thrusters to pull yourself out of the muck and jump to a more stable area.
That's not very hard, do you even know what a Zaku can do?

Sniping a Zaku with a tank
A sabot round might be able to pierce a Zaku's armor. But you keep thinking a tank will be able to get close enough to a zaku to fire at point blank range so it couldn't dodge the shot. The tank would be shot to pieces unless the pilot is oblivious, before it could get into range. It might be possible if you're firing on the Zaku if it has it's back turned to you, but you better have a helluva a cannon to fire over a long enough range to get them. And good luck being accurate enough to hit the torso or joints.

You're one dumb nigger if you don't think the Zaku is an excellent blend of firepower, armor and maneuverability.

Landon Ward
Landon Ward

Why do they look so smug?

Justin Brown
Justin Brown

dodge the shot
You're funny guy.
The speed it would take to dodge a fucking cannon shot is also a speed that would break the MS and kill the pilot.
I'd say that's mission accomplished for the tank.

Justin Young
Justin Young

People also like to forget that Mobile suits during the one year war are generally used along side Tanks, fighters, infantry and other shit

Leo Harris
Leo Harris

See

William Murphy
William Murphy

Big guns were still good at the beginning of WW2. It takes a long time to build a ship so carrier-based warfare was difficult to transition to.

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

So dragonflies and giant dildos make Tanks obsolete?
Gotta remember that.

Lincoln Nelson
Lincoln Nelson

so it couldn't dodge the shot

Nigga, the Gs that the mecha would need to pull to dodge a modern sabot(not even a sci-fi one) would turn the pilot into a red paste.

Jack Evans
Jack Evans

Because they know they can fuck you up. You and everyone near you
Yeah, but the idea of HO is fucking retarded

James Phillips
James Phillips

Tanks can't curbstomp anything, though. Just roll over them.

Tyler Nguyen
Tyler Nguyen

Mechas with bow and arrow when?

Fuck, I will watch that.

Connor Scott
Connor Scott

rifleman bus
But yes, they are still cool as fuck.

Juan Hall
Juan Hall

You really have no idea how physics works, do you? Even being around tanks is enough to see that the ground is pretty damn soft. A tank WILL leave ruts in the ground, imagine what something much heavier will do with less area touching the ground. Not that it matters, you'll just pull some bullshit made-up statistic out of your ass to try and justify something that just isn't feasible. I don't even know why I'm replying to such obvious bait.

Henry Richardson
Henry Richardson

But they can drive their main gun up your ass and violate you while you are doing your best to imagine it's your waifu taking your virginity.

Nicholas Adams
Nicholas Adams

So, everything is dumbfire because of ~~~special particles~~~, but a zaku pilot can somehow sense the trajectory of a round fired from a tank at that hillside?

Grayson Thomas
Grayson Thomas

Why are tankfags so damn autistic?

We like giant robots because they're cool as fuck in many ways and putting them in a military/war setting is one of those cool things.

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Hey look at that, tanks can be armed with missiles.

Wyatt Peterson
Wyatt Peterson

To bad anti-tank has made main battle tanks waste of time.

Mason Gonzalez
Mason Gonzalez

You can clearly see in the cartoons that mobile suits can walk on the ground without harming it. What more evidence do you need?

Levi Adams
Levi Adams

mechfags logic

Translation:
mechs what use more advanced and futuristic technology and is not limited by laws of physics that much is faster and more durable than tanks
tanks meanwhile are still modern or past tech with all real life physics limiting them

Benjamin Cruz
Benjamin Cruz

It's more that most parties a modern military would face off against, like Taliban, ISIS or chechens, don't have tanks

Gabriel Mitchell
Gabriel Mitchell

because they're cool as fuck

Have you read the thread faggot?

Mechafags are trying extremely hard to prove they are realistically better than tanks.

Dominic Brown
Dominic Brown

Failing to realize a mobile suit has human like movements.
Thinking the force of a dodge will exert enough force to kill a pilot
You tank fags are retarded. Rewatch the scene of the Type 88 firing on the Zaku, it being able to dodge both shots while maintaining it's balance and returning fire.
https://youtu.be/ikB8B26OUpE?t=1m14s

softer ground is pressed down to create the divots of treads
This means the entire area is made of soft earth and something even heavier would sink into it.
You should learn about geology before you whine about physics.

Shots fired at you from the fact that the tank is aiming at you and you see a barrel flash
Oh shit, better dodge
Dodged shots
Sorry if you can't cheat using any sort of homing system to target the Zaku.

Blake Smith
Blake Smith

Of course, otherwise the mech would always lose out

Adrian Walker
Adrian Walker

This. If tanks were allowed to use the same handwavium that mechs are obviously using, they would have fully automatic cannons, handle like F1 race cars, and be able to fly. Oh yeah, and one person could control the entire tank with ease.

Now that would be a show worth watching.

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

old Leo
Step it up, goyim.

Christopher Davis
Christopher Davis

for the sophisticated we have shit like strike witches.

If by "sophisticated" you mean "autistic" then yes.

Henry Johnson
Henry Johnson

Jews get out, modern tank designs are uggo as fuck

Cameron Carter
Cameron Carter

Not glorious slav meme ifv

Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

It's not like they try to destroy tanks with AT weaponry. They go for better targets like soldiers than tanks.

But the tanks cost to deal with the lower grade of rpg is not simply cost effective.

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

The only thing this baby needs is rainbow neon-lights illuminating its bottom-side.

Jose Price
Jose Price

If animals make their own mechs those mechs will look like their respective animals. Meanwhile if animals make tanks those tanks will still look like our tanks.

It's obvious which one's more practical.

Josiah Hughes
Josiah Hughes

It's fertile, only engineers and some biologists get exactly how you can't scale up in proportion (radius of leg goes up by the square but the weight goes up by the cube so hold up it's own weight the relative thickness of the legs grows at an expectational rate), a giant mecha would look like a squat as fuck dwarf with the mother of all applebottoms compared to it's puny torso (t-rex arms). Real giant mecha = ugly as sin, and forget about having any heavy armor, the legs are strained enough as it is, it won't be able to move fast, and it would be gangly as fuck, and if it fell down the force of impact would mean it would never get back up. So do a mecha T-rex instead since you need the tail for stability, and put a howitzer on it's head, congrats now you have a gangly walking tank with shit armor and 20 billion different moving parts for your logistics guys to deal with.

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

In my opinion they didn't strap enough dakka on it.

Julian Flores
Julian Flores

Everyone else is bringing up real-world physics and how they would limit a mobile suit.
Shows evidence from a fucking fantasy cartoon world not restrained by real-world physics.

Are you DJ Khaled ? Because you are excellent at just spewing disconnected bullshit.

Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

It is cost effective if your currency is blood.

Levi Parker
Levi Parker

Arsenal Gear?

Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

But would realistically happen.

If you want more fantasy based, I got you covered.
https://youtu.be/2DLY-xw4nKQ?t=2m45s

Jose Price
Jose Price

Okay.

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

But the tanks cost to deal with the lower grade of rpg is not simply cost effective.

What is Reactive armor
What is Trophy/Quick Kill/APS
What is Composite armor
What is Slat armor

Ask me how I know you have no idea what you're talking about.

Christian Sanchez
Christian Sanchez

3
not 4

Lincoln Carter
Lincoln Carter

Beware.

Tyler Howard
Tyler Howard

You're in the club and these guys slap your tanks ass.
What do?

Isaiah Wood
Isaiah Wood

Sexy. As. Fuck.

Nicholas Miller
Nicholas Miller

Wait for the wind to topple their top-heavy asses to the ground

Sebastian Cruz
Sebastian Cruz

Drop two nukes and call it a day.

Carter Martin
Carter Martin

They've taken some pointers from the ORKS

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

Jump on head
Shit on eyes/cameras
???
Profit

Aaron Howard
Aaron Howard

Step your game up senpai

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

Muh wymens
Cant tell if you are pro or against ruining our military.

Joshua Adams
Joshua Adams

small police mechs
slap tanks

Christian Hughes
Christian Hughes

they wanna start trouble with my tank, thinking it's alone
they don't know I got my whole division with me

Nolan Taylor
Nolan Taylor

We're just getting warmed up, fuccboi.

Luke Torres
Luke Torres

Oh and by the way an abrams tank weighs more than 7 times as much as a t-rex. So in conclusion, if you want to bring the armor, if you want to bring the engine power, and you want to bring the BFG, you bring a god damned TANK!

Austin Ramirez
Austin Ramirez

You forgot the close combat weapon you dingus

Hudson Foster
Hudson Foster

Both sides ITT are all autistic fucks precisely because when talking about giant robots in a military setting, realism and physics that accompany said realsim are thrown out the window.

It all boils down to which one you think is cooler and that's (I'll probably have to spell this out for you) all up to opinion. I personally prefer my giant humanoid robots.

Zachary Morgan
Zachary Morgan

Failing to realize a mobile suit has human like movements.
Thinking the force of a dodge will exert enough force to kill a pilot

doesn't even want to use realistic values
Okay I'll do it for you, you huge manchild.

Dodging a projectile that travels at 2000m/s would need the mecha to pull a dodge of around 200 Gs.

Thomas Fisher
Thomas Fisher

But what if it was painted red?

William Long
William Long

Having half-naked adolescent girls strap propellers to their ankles is a realistic alternative to conventional aircraft. I don't know why you planefags are so unwilling to see that.

Eli Cruz
Eli Cruz

I personally prefer literal castles on tank treads. It's a shame there are so few examples though.

Christian Ortiz
Christian Ortiz

It will be painted red when the pilot explodes from the sudden acceleration.

Juan Baker
Juan Baker

You make the assumption that it's going to be a matrix dodge and the motion won't already have been in place.

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

The cabin will be painted red, thanks to the remains of the pilot.

Adrian Russell
Adrian Russell

Yeah you are clearly blowing out of your ass right now. How does adding all those make the tank more cost effective?

Kevin Bailey
Kevin Bailey

MFW people think tanks are good
Nice iron coffins you got there faggost, don't mind me, just firing a missile up your ass.

And don't think your smoke or flares are going to help.

Jonathan King
Jonathan King

Most of those things are pretty standard equipment for modern armored vehicles, tanks included. It'd be weird to see a MBT without most of those features, like a modern car not having fuel injection.

Lucas Richardson
Lucas Richardson

No, that was you when you spoke of dodging upon seeing the muzzle flash.

Jackson Carter
Jackson Carter

literal castles on tank treads

Explain this to me, user.

Nathan Jackson
Nathan Jackson

Assuming the tank is going to keep the maximum range between it and the Zaku, the Zaku would have ample time to shift its weight and dodge the shot. Unless you're thinking tank rounds move at light speed.

Blake Lewis
Blake Lewis

AA tank for you faggot.

Anthony Bell
Anthony Bell

Call me when your ass gets sore.

Ethan Ward
Ethan Ward

my points those overprice toy's are not simply cost effective.

Like battleship were also nice toys until people realized they shit in cost effectiveness and got phased out.

Kayden Taylor
Kayden Taylor

Not that user but.

Christopher Bell
Christopher Bell

Needing a specialized tank because everything else would get slaughtered
Those would still get destroyed by a competent pilot.
Hurr

That's a nice battleshit, shame if something were to happen to it.

Austin Nguyen
Austin Nguyen

We would get ultimate tank and plane/helicopter hybrid with all advantiges of both taken to extreme and none flaws of those.
But no, "mechs are cooler" so only those are allowed to have that.

Owen Foster
Owen Foster

Why do planefags always have to be the most autistic of all?

Blake Gonzalez
Blake Gonzalez

1.7km/s is as fast as they go nowadays, in a setting where technology would enable your shitty mech to exist i imagine they'd go even faster

Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

Heard Tank fags were talking shit.

The Valkyries have arrived to mop up these physics fags up.

Ethan Reed
Ethan Reed

Something kind of like this, but even more stereotypically Gothic.

Like a mix betweenand Neuwachstein castle.

Hunter Price
Hunter Price

This guy gets it

Cameron Murphy
Cameron Murphy

because planes attract those who can't drive

Chase Carter
Chase Carter

just observe how they go way with damaged or completely broken mech hands.

Liam Price
Liam Price

40K ANIME WHEN

Tyler Campbell
Tyler Campbell

How better of plane it would be without all that transformation stuff in it?

Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

I could see the argument being made for tiny mechs that are meant to support infantry and only need 1 person to operate, something not much larger than a exosuit I guess.

Speaking of which will we ever get future tanks that only require one person rather than a whole crew?

Samuel Butler
Samuel Butler

we'll never have an anime about cute knights doing cute knightly things
Are we in this world just to suffer?

Lincoln Rodriguez
Lincoln Rodriguez

Slat armor
Glorified chicken wire that is invulnerable to old model shaped charges
overpriced toy
Again, ask me how I know you're clueless.

Carson Adams
Carson Adams

You can't infiltrate an alien hive with tank, the terrain is very uneven. It will have to be at least a walking tank. Two legs make it lighter, more mobile, and easier to control for a human pilot.

Andrew Clark
Andrew Clark

been this faggot..
Keep trying boy, your shitty plane couldn't even fly in a AA zone..

You don't like Russian shit? ... here for you little faggot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGpCUkFwYI

Hudson Barnes
Hudson Barnes

We will get tanks that require 0 persons rather than a whole crew.

Henry Scott
Henry Scott

Well, mechs only work in space anyway.

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

infiltrate an alien hive
For what purpose? Just nuke the fuckers or send in the heavy infantry

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

It would be much worse off because the various modes allow for much more maneuverability it doesn't have to keep circling an area. If anything, it would stomp a regular fighting since it has multiple systems designed to shoot down incoming missiles.

Angel Sanchez
Angel Sanchez

Being Russian made, so the quality is already suspect
Needs 7 different things to even attempt to shoot down a plane
WOW, it only took 7 of you to kill me.

Jacob Gonzalez
Jacob Gonzalez

meme S400

Christian Brooks
Christian Brooks

Space Fighters are better than mechs.

Cooper Kelly
Cooper Kelly

I actually don't know a whole lot about drones, but what happens when the connection gets interrupted or it has an EMP fired at it?

Jaxson Baker
Jaxson Baker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGpCUkFwYI [Remove]

Josiah Moore
Josiah Moore

nuke
nukes are ineffective against aliens in deep tunnels. Aliens are spaceproof, so radiation doesn't hurt them nearly as much as humans. Though of course nuke inflict some damage to the hive.

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

Not just quality. They like to lie about real characteristics.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones

Put laser on aircraft that has a gunner and a swivel
Point at ground target
Dodge incoming laser fire from the ground targets
Aircraft laser destroys ground target because they are giant targets on the ground.

Air superiority wins again.

Camden Clark
Camden Clark

EMP largely doesn't work like in the movies, but modern MBT are drive-my-wire so a neutron bomb or directed EMP effect that could take out a drone would taken out a manned tank.

Military radio signals are designed to be difficult to jam. Improvement in jamming in the near future is likely, but for now it's not that big an issue.

To answer your question, though, it goes to the AI. If you can make a self-driving car you can make a self-driving tank. The military obviously has greater requirements on what they need in an autonomous system, but autonomous weapons are already being used and rich militaries are eager to take the human out.

Mason Bennett
Mason Bennett

Shit, that video is hilarious as fuck. Please tell me it's real

Aiden Harris
Aiden Harris

Mechs can climb or jump over obstacles
Imagine the load bearing that would be necessitated to do that. If you were so concerned about this (tanks can already deal with a good number of obstacles) just make a dual track design like Halo's Scorpion..

Lincoln Nelson
Lincoln Nelson

Aliens are spaceproof, so radiation doesn't hurt them nearly as much as humans.

Xavier Fisher
Xavier Fisher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVB2b5Hbm04

Leo Robinson
Leo Robinson

keep dreaming.

Lucas Taylor
Lucas Taylor

In a world where Minovsky particles are a thing, tanks are shit.

Jayden Perry
Jayden Perry

Needing 3 full seconds to heat up and melt a thin layer of plastic.
Those lasers will only be effective if you hit something like the fuel tank. Good luck with being that precise consistently.

They refuse to accept Gundam physics as the one true physics.

Grayson Johnson
Grayson Johnson

Except as has already been explained multiple times, a big tank with a fusion reactor and boosters is still better than a humanoid zoid.

Nathaniel Martinez
Nathaniel Martinez

Competent airpower is stupidly overpowered. Just look at Desert Storm.

I don't know why people think expensive land-based weapons systems still matter.

Xavier Myers
Xavier Myers

Tank fags still think we haven't progressed past World War II.

Jayden Diaz
Jayden Diaz

mechas can use churaaiizy future tech
but tanks can't

Carter Ward
Carter Ward

You say that but the fact is that Space Warfare would be completely different from any kind of warfare that exists on earth, if I can compare it to anything MAYBE it would be a little bit like underwater combat and that's only assuming that your operating in deep space, once you start to deal with gravity fields and shit you open up a whole new can of worms.

Space fighters would probably be pretty useless unless were talking little drones that can be fired en-mass at enemy ships and that's only in close range, a lot of the fighting would be taking place at mind boggling distances apart from each other. Its pretty crazy stuff.

Oliver Perez
Oliver Perez

Dumb fucking muv luv fags.

Come back when the grappler class wont be killed by a fucking BTR.

Or when the Tank-class is immune against AK-47 fire.

Absolute shit world.

Leo Bell
Leo Bell

Small humanoid mechs designed to replace infantry > giant retarded mechs with non-integrated weapons designed to replace tanks

Christopher Bennett
Christopher Bennett

You know, not everyone is from Iraq and have to face the largest superpower alone and lets them build up.

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

O rly?

Mason Cruz
Mason Cruz

BTR
Haha, that reminds me of the 30 Strykers fag that used to post years ago.

Asher Gray
Asher Gray

a big tank with a fusion reactor and boosters
Can into space?

Cooper Cox
Cooper Cox

I think your underestimating how accurate lasers actually are. You cant "evade" a laser.

Wyatt Jackson
Wyatt Jackson

and rich militaries are eager to take the human out.
Quite the opposite. They have clearly stated they always want a human in the kill loop.

Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

30 Strykers fag
Explain.

What did he say.

Hunter Myers
Hunter Myers

But you need to focus it on one spot to make sure it's effective unless you've entered the sci fi level of where it's just a solid beam of energy.

With current tech, all a jet would have to do is move around erratically to keep the laser from eating up the same spot. Of course it would still build up heat, But it would buy the plane much more time to target and destroy the ground laser.

Easton Hughes
Easton Hughes

Just a a gloriously long Muv-Luv thread wherein one particularly adamant individual affectionately referred to as "Tank-kun" was arguing for hours about how modern day military implements, and 30 Strykers in particular, could beat back the BETA hordes, single-handedly derailing the thread and providing definitive proof of the autism on both sides of the equation.

This was years ago, no way I could find the thread.

Connor Young
Connor Young

Well that shows that muv-luv threads will never change regardless of time or individuals that shitpost there.

I guess it was when TE aired or was it after?

Parker Martinez
Parker Martinez

It was actually even before TE aired, that's how long ago it was.

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

the Zaku pilot is an idiot
So he's your average Zaku pilot?

Chase Mitchell
Chase Mitchell

Sure but with the lasers we got now the Planes hull would probably be set on fire and light up on every single form of heat detection ever. There is also the possibility of cooking the pilot inside of his own aircraft.

That said, nobody said the planes couldn't also have laser which is why the US is developing laser shooting planes as we speak.

Robert Jackson
Robert Jackson

Wew.

Well right now there are more slavs then burger tech fans in the muv-luv thread so you can expect slavic things instead.

To be honest here then the Stryker would be able to BTFO pretty much everything except a destroyer class from the front.

For some time.

Jaxson Barnes
Jaxson Barnes

In real land maybe. But in any world where physics don't fuck up mechas, tanks are shit.

Jonathan Brooks
Jonathan Brooks

mech failing in mech wank anime
That's little embarrassing.

But even if we ingore realism and have setting allowing mech combat (like Minosky Particle justification), space fighters would be still better than mecha for reasons already mentioned in thread.

Dylan Taylor
Dylan Taylor

jesus fuck that looks terrible everything looks covered in fucking soapp

Jose Hernandez
Jose Hernandez

implying

Fatboy will BTFO you all

Charles Young
Charles Young

space fighters are one of the worst ideas anyone has ever had.

Isaiah Lewis
Isaiah Lewis

cutting-edge tech
used on inferior machines
Not even once.

Brandon Lopez
Brandon Lopez

what are active protection systems
what is infrared stealth

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

In world where physics makes exception for mechs and fuck up everything else, non mechs are shit
FTFY

Just like in world where katanas are not fucked up real life stuff, they can cut trough other swords like butter.

Levi Flores
Levi Flores

That's because vatniks and slavaboos have invaded ML threads thanks to Schwarzesmarken being about commies.

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

I think smaller mecha might be useful for firing into the enemy ship itself so that it can massacre the enemy crew, There is also the possibility organically designed mechs IE: A giant wall of flesh rending tentacles (metal or otherwise) with guns advancing through hallways and eviscerating everything in its path.

Jonathan Davis
Jonathan Davis

you do realize lasers travel at the speed of light in our atmosphere right

Grayson Hughes
Grayson Hughes

space fighters are one of the worst ideas anyone has ever had.

Nicholas King
Nicholas King

fuck...i never realized how much young me let bad quality get away with

Carson Morris
Carson Morris

Literary every mecha Real Robot show ever.
Unless there is one where humanoid mechs are stomped by other kinds of mechs and real life types of vehicles.

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

newer types of ammunition made angling armor not as effective unless its at extreme degrees, so they just went with eh fuck it were going to put more armor on the largest areas and flatten it out

Jordan Young
Jordan Young

being stuck in mud automatically makes your weapons unusable

You could have also posted a picture of an Abrams that didn't drive it'self out with no help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCXwgPZXScM

Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

Super Robot Wars OG had MC getting trounced by a tank squad but it was brought as a sign MC is a fucking noob who sucks so much at piloting he lost despite having a vastly superior war machine.

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

You and your osananajimi will never join the crusade
You and your osananajimi will never invade the Saracen lands to spread the word of God
You and your osananajimi will never DEUS VULT all the heathens into paste as you lay waste to their homes

Wyatt Edwards
Wyatt Edwards

But that's not really armor shells are meant to bounce off. That puffy shit's just plastic and ceramics, the steel's underneath and looks like pic related.

They could at least try to make it look more utilitarian and less like a toy

Cooper Rivera
Cooper Rivera

spaceproof
Cosmic and solar radiation nigger, which would make that a nuke would only kill them because of blastwave/heat. Your average 'nid laughs at radiation.

Soon, I hope.

Charles Myers
Charles Myers

I liked the Code Geass approach. Those seem practical enough, before the power creep sets in.

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

In gundam at least a human body gives more maneuverability in space for some reason.

Nolan Lee
Nolan Lee

Your average 'nid laughs at radiation.
Source?

Gavin Flores
Gavin Flores

Most modern nukes aren't really about radiation anyway, it's just a byproduct

Austin Wood
Austin Wood

They never were. Even the fabeled neutron bomb still has an explosive yield around that of 20 kilotons

Aiden Price
Aiden Price

No, almost every UC Gundam is a giant Feddie wank so of course they'd give advantage to them.

Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

AMBAC is basically a real thing, it's just that sattilites don't do large motions so a tiny gyroscope is enough.

Xavier Lee
Xavier Lee

Implied, how do you think that 'nids bioships and space combat critters survive?

Read again sweetheart:

would only kill them because of blastwave/heat

Parker Thomas
Parker Thomas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ep2PH3_oz8

You need to listen up, putting legs on a tank is a technical nightmare.

John Sanchez
John Sanchez

Whatever you say bruh

Grayson Martinez
Grayson Martinez

it will be shit.

Julian Brooks
Julian Brooks

made by Kyoani

It'll sell millions.

Moe always does.

John Gomez
John Gomez

considering that anime exists for the sole purpose of selling merchandise GW might actually make it someday

Julian Wilson
Julian Wilson

But it would realistically happen
Got facts to prove you're not pulling shit out of your ass?

Oh wait, you don't.

Dylan Stewart
Dylan Stewart

It's a fact

MSG follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
Zeta follows the 'good ' feddies who win = Feddie wank
Double Zeta follows an allied group of the feddies who win = Feddie wank
Char's Counter Attack follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
F91 follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
Victory follows an allied group of the feddies who win = Feddie wank
0083 follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
0080 follows a group of Zeons who lose and all die = Feddie wank
08th ms team follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
MS IGLOO follows a group of Zeons who lose but survive = Zeon Wank
MS IGLOO 2 follows the feddies who die, but win = Feddie wank
Unicorn follows a group of feddies and those allied with them who win = Feddie Wank

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

Mecha fly and maneuver in the air. Nobody wants to see a box pivoting through the air.

And then there is the aspect of tacking on cute girls. It's much easier with humanoid war machines.

Nolan Roberts
Nolan Roberts

Felinids joining the imperial guard, nyaa~

Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

IS aren't really mecha, though. They're flying shield spheres with weapons tacked on. When the shield is disabled the operator is easily disabled/killed.

Ethan Hall
Ethan Hall

that's just the difference between mecha built by protoss instead of terrans

Eli Stewart
Eli Stewart

that looks more like a cathedral than a castle.

I saw something like that on pixiv. too bad I didn't save it.

Camden Moore
Camden Moore

MSG The Origin manga spends a lot of time fleshing out Char's backstory and the Zabi's.

Adrian Johnson
Adrian Johnson

They all die Minus Char and lose in the end. Ergo Feddie wank.

Thunderbolt is turning into a Feddie wank with all the air time they're giving Io too.

Lincoln Brooks
Lincoln Brooks

warhammer 40kawaii

Jace Hill
Jace Hill

GUY, GUYS

WHAT IF

WHAT IF

WE TAKE A TANK

K, GUYS JUST LISTEN FOR A MOMENT

WE TAKE A TANK...AND WE PUT IT ON A MECH

LIKE, NOT A MECH WITH A GIANT TURRET ON ITS BACK OR HEAD

BUT A LITERAL TANK, TREADS AND ALL, ON ITS BACK

MECH, WITH THE POWER OF SKY

TANK, WITH THE POWER OF TREADS

TOGETHER, THEY CONQUER

Chase Rivera
Chase Rivera

Mechas with bow and arrow when?
Literally 40 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SloHs5O4S48

Nathan Green
Nathan Green

Which is why the best fictional armies are the ones that incorporate both into their combat retinue.

David Morales
David Morales

Pardon me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29tIywIuDkA

'Just aim for the joints men! That'll stop it!'

Blake Bailey
Blake Bailey

and upon completion of the mission the mecha pilot finds his tank driver buddy dead because the tank wasn't vacuum-proof.

Jason Hill
Jason Hill

You know, despite how ridiculous that scene was, I never get tired of seeing it. The sheer amount of no fucks given by the Mk.2 along with the desperation of Nod forces is just so satisfying.

Jack Young
Jack Young

Fuck meant to reply to .

Hudson James
Hudson James

Because if you put the Mk 2 up against those same forces in game, it would crush them all the same.

There's a reason the game only allows you to have at a time.

Elijah White
Elijah White

What doesn't it oneshot? Cyborgs?

Jose Clark
Jose Clark

upvoted fellow redditor :^ )

Christian Ward
Christian Ward

Cyborgs because once you kill them, they get turned into a torso only version that crawls around.

The only way to beat it is just zerg rush it. Or spam banshees since it's anti air abilities aren't as powerful.

Gabriel Adams
Gabriel Adams

Not really. I said it was ridiculous because the Mammoth would never be able to tank that many Obelisk shots in succession. It really would have murdered that Nod base though. They were fucked the moment the Banshees didn't get airborne.

Cyborgs, certain structures, and that's pretty much it. 3 banshees can kill it, though it can usually take one out beforehand, and the cyborg commando can take it out depending on who shoots first.

Henry Allen
Henry Allen

They have clearly stated they always want a human in the kill loop.
Of course they would say that to the public.
Reality of the matter is USA already has drones capable of 100% unmanned operation.

Daniel Ward
Daniel Ward

I thought it could tank like 5-6 Obelisk shots.

Although based on the rate of fire in some of the scenes, they looked more like laser shots than something from the Obelisk of Light. Maybe the in universe explanation is the Nod forces didn't fully charge the Obelisk shots so they could get more off on the Mammath, so it did even less damage.

Isaiah Reed
Isaiah Reed

My question is, since we don't have the means of building a viable mobile suit, what improvements would be made on tank weaponry by the time we reach that level of mech tech? Most of the arguments I've seen reading this thread implies a modern tank vs a futuristic weapon. Not to mention tactical advancements in both fields of combat.

Carson Scott
Carson Scott

I distinctly remember you could take out the Nod base in the final GDI mission with the MK. 2 alone (and some vanilla Mammoths if you felt like it) but it would require you to take "pit stops" to let it's hp go back up otherwise successive Obelisks would destroy it. Given how the Mammoth 2-3 shots them it couldn't have taken more than maybe 4 shots from the Obelisks. Keep in mind this is all straight off my memory from way back in early 2000s though, since I have yet to get it on my current nostalgia-fueled playthrough.

Thomas Richardson
Thomas Richardson

Miniaturization will eventually allow handheld weapons that can slice through unshielded (as in, energy shields) matter in seconds.

Christian Cooper
Christian Cooper

Likewise. We should introduce tank fags to the Core Defender. That would probably wipe out the entire tank force of the United States in a single battle.

Henry Sullivan
Henry Sullivan

of course a 60 ton M-1 Abrams can go 45 MPH and shooting M1028 tungsten ball filled rounds out of its 120mm it can blow multiple man sized holes in reinforced concrete.

and, it's real

Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin

rock, paper, scissors
lets keep throwing rocks at it, maybe it'll get tired

Cameron Kelly
Cameron Kelly

I would imagine both tanks and mechs would carry some form of energy shield in that case.

David Lopez
David Lopez

Thing is, keeping energy shield up is a massive power drain, while the handheld weapon only has to have a tiny opening.

Jack Long
Jack Long

Speaking of which: Hovertanks. Also, what's to stop you from armoring up aircraft to the point where you could plow through a building with one?

Jacob Garcia
Jacob Garcia

From what I understand, a tank gets horrendous gas mileage already. I could see a tank going turtle mode would end up being a waiting game. Who is to say that a tank wouldn't have the same weapon just in mounted form? Personally, I think mechs would have an edge in a wider range of situations (such as both out of ammo and the mech punting/ stepping on the tank)

Bentley Howard
Bentley Howard

The Core Defender wasn't rock, paper, scissors so much as it was that one guy who calls nuke or some other retarded shit. Absurd hp, highest damage in the game, a stupidly high fire rate for the damage it pumped out per shot, and it could regenerate. Even air units were effectively useless against it since they did so little, to the point the best way of killing it was to abuse insta-kill mechanics.

Andrew Evans
Andrew Evans

Walker still kills the fatboy.

Nicholas Turner
Nicholas Turner

implying insta-kill isn't scissors

Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

That's what soldiers are for.
Mechs are stupid.

Ryder Kelly
Ryder Kelly

Handheld weapons don't really get that much better. It's always about delivering energy to the target. There's only so much power you can pack into until cooling becomes a problem.

At the very least it has to be vehicle-mounted. And even if you manage to cram a megawatt of power onto a back of a pickup truck. What are you gonna do with it?

A megawatt laser would take time to actually melt through armor, especially armor designed to absorb heat instead of impacts. Particle beams don't work well in the atmosphere.

The only thing you can reasonably do with that kind of power is a railgun. And that's far from handheld. Congratulations. You just invented a tank's main cannon but without all the armor.

Jackson Flores
Jackson Flores

Who said it has to be a laser? There are plenty of wavelenghts to work with.

Jason Wright
Jason Wright

That's more of a tactical edge rather than a base tank solution. Another tactical advantage for tanks of mechs would be guerilla warfare since a much taller bipedal would stand out like a sore thumb and present a much wider target to be hit. I'm not here to argue which is better, but please apply yourself more than just "Mechs are stupid" even if they are.

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

Wavelength doesn't matter. The shorter ones are inefficient to produce and turn air into plasma, which means the shooting party gets most of the heat instead of the target.
The longer ones are easily blocked by metal.

Ian Thompson
Ian Thompson

Fire a ray to turn air into plasma
deliver a jolt of electricity through it

Chase Moore
Chase Moore

hold my beer

Logan Cruz
Logan Cruz

current just flows through the outer hull, heating the armor
yeah, that gains you soo much over other delivery methods

Austin Jones
Austin Jones

Now do that in the stratosphere.

Ian Davis
Ian Davis

Um. Have you seen what a lightning bolt does to something?

Kevin Clark
Kevin Clark

tanks get hit by lightning without much harm, that's up to 1,000A at a 1,000,000,000 volts, a terawatt blast. Good luck inventing a weapon to beat that

Camden Walker
Camden Walker

I imagine tanks are pretty well grounded. Hell, planes full of gasoline get struck all of the time

Austin Young
Austin Young

Okay. Now, through oscillating the electricity, resonate the target till it shatters. Then handwavium-encased micro-missiles pierce through the hole.

Jeremiah Morris
Jeremiah Morris

yup, just saying plasma / electron beam not the greatest anti-tank weapon, especially anything that could be man portable. better to take that electric power and make a projectile move, that is known to work

Mason Gonzalez
Mason Gonzalez

fuck off

Parker Evans
Parker Evans

nice radars you have there
shame if some HARM were to come to them

Lucas Adams
Lucas Adams

Tankfags are seriously autistic. Why are you on Sup Forums? Did you come from /k/ or something?
inb4 m-muh realism! It's not realistic!
I'm not claiming it's realistic. It's not realistic at all, but mechs are a billion times cooler than tanks, so fuck logic.

Ian Ramirez
Ian Ramirez

doesn't know that SEAD aircraft doesn't do shit to ADATS

Landon Thomas
Landon Thomas

The Air Defense Anti-Tank System (ADATS) is a dual-purpose short range surface-to-air and anti-tank missile system based on the M113A2 vehicle. It is manufactured by the Swiss company Oerlikon-Contraves, a member of the Rheinmetall Defence Group of Germany. The project may be deemed a commercial failure, Oerlikon having invested over CHF 1 billion yet securing very few sales.
The project may be deemed a commercial failure

DOH HO HO HO

Ian Sullivan
Ian Sullivan

Sure is a lot of Rheinmetall shilling ITT.

Parker Gutierrez
Parker Gutierrez

manning the vehicles yourself
not just dropping a nuke or a colony at the enemy
Step it up plebs.

Jaxon Reyes
Jaxon Reyes

Cute toys, but we all know (at least those of us who have an IQ above 50) that the strongest weapon is DICK and it will destroy your nation before you even realize you don't even have a nation anymore.

Isaiah Thompson
Isaiah Thompson

drop a nuke

"holy shit what are you doing? DENOUNCED!" -rest of the world

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

Evidence that this will work the same in reality where the mechs don't have magical minovski physics.

Alexander Price
Alexander Price

What are you gonna do, rest of the world, start dropping nukes? Then you're no better than me.

Tyler Barnes
Tyler Barnes

I don't like that they don't show the space nazis winning!

Luis Lopez
Luis Lopez

I like a show where the same side wins every single time

You got American cartoons if you want that.

Juan Fisher
Juan Fisher

I want to see the guys who commit genocide get their way in my animus.
You from /pol/?

Nolan Rivera
Nolan Rivera

Being a moralfag
You from reddit?

Sebastian King
Sebastian King

Kiki gave me one of my first boners

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

no trade
embargos
thrown out of UN
closed borders

Yeah, totally worth it.

Nathan Foster
Nathan Foster

Using the term "moralfag".
You got people caged in your basement?

Henry Baker
Henry Baker

Being this new
Yup, definitely a transplant from reddit.

Mason Baker
Mason Baker

works for best korea

Gabriel Anderson
Gabriel Anderson

How many times have you uttered the phrase "it rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again"?

Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

Do you really think that the side that's chronically short on resources can win in a sustained conflict against an economic powerhouse? Has history taught you nothing?

Lincoln Gomez
Lincoln Gomez

Call me when they install a minovsky reactor on a tank.

Xavier Sanchez
Xavier Sanchez

muv luv mechs are weak as shit

they can even get killed by some fucker who wields an RPG

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

Just needed to drop more colonies and have the protag be on their side.

Easton Anderson
Easton Anderson

works

O rly? And they haven't been completely shut out yet.

Hunter Long
Hunter Long

These threads are about as retarded as powerlevel threads. You can't compare a modern tank and a gundam (yes I'm perfectly aware the Type 81, the Magella Attack and the Hildolfr exist), that's about as dumb as comparing a gundam to a valkyrie. The universes run on absolutely different rules.
That kind of stuff only matters when a mecha series is reasonably grounded with low enough technology level for the machines. For example, Gasaraki or FMP. Hell, even with FMP's mecha being literally gifts from the future there's still this:
In the flat desert, it was a battle of tank units. That would be one of the most difficult situations for the weapon called Arm Slave.
No matter how much High Technology crystal an AS had, it could never attain the armor and fire power of a tank. Not being able to repel tank shells, the standard level assault rifle could also not destroy the tank upfront.
[Frontage Projection Area] - It was said that the area in front was what could be seen the most.
Compared to the tank that crawled on the ground, a vertical walking AS that wiggles could be easily discovered, and easily shot. The greatest strength of an AS was its maneuverability, taking advantage of a complicated terrain to get close. It would be difficult in a desert.
In an exchange of gunfire with a tank, it had no chance of winning.
That was why the ally AS units made use of the dug trenches surrounding the ally base, codename “Alamo Fortress”, to accept the challenge and move from one place to another. Using freely the necessary number of anti tank missile, they moved from one trench to another using smoke screens, radar jamming, and infra red jamming. Though a simple tactic, there was no other way to do it.

Joshua Hill
Joshua Hill

I seem to remember a big speech somewhere in Gundam Wing where it was explained that the human shape was to keep man involved in his own wars in attempt to keep the fighting from feeling pointless and hollow. Y'know overwrought "poetic" anime naval-gazing.
Just finished re-watching this. Holy Shit does this not hold up in the slightest.

Angel Morales
Angel Morales

It literally doesn't fucking matter, sci-fi tech solves everything!

build multi-million dollars giant robots
Go fucking anywhere!

Liam Smith
Liam Smith

it works for their leadership.

Ian Taylor
Ian Taylor

naval-gazing

Blake Stewart
Blake Stewart

Until it stops working, then the whole country collapses.

Logan Reyes
Logan Reyes

it hasn't stopped working for decades

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

Super Robot mechas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tanks > Real Robot mechas

Logan Gomez
Logan Gomez

If any country decides they want to "liberate" the people, they will find it's not all that difficult to convince the people to cooperate.

Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

nobody is gonna do any liberating in china's front yard

Dylan Peterson
Dylan Peterson

humanoid mecha in gundam was justified around using limbs in microgravity for attitude control. which is based on real science.

Carson Sanchez
Carson Sanchez

gyroscopes would have worked too

Ryan Cox
Ryan Cox

Why are tankfags so autistic?
You don't see any fighterjetfags shitposting this much about how their vehicle is better than your vehicle.
Also how does it feel knowing that tanks are a dying breed with invention of weapons that can easily pierce their armor?

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

Planefags got the best of both worlds with macross.

Tankfags just have an inferiority-complex because they're cursed to forever hug the ground and will never get to engage in orbital warfare.

Of course in the end they all are mere specks of dust in the face of japan's ultimate war machine: the little girl.

Camden Harris
Camden Harris

DARPA is currently funding the GVX-T program to investigate moving away from 'tanks.' Instead of increasing armor, increase agility so you don't have to carry around all that armor in the first place. Like climbing over rough terrain to avoid enemies, and moving fast so as to be more difficult to hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2NXSgD_INY

While it's not a mecha, it is sort of like the small mobile tanks that appear in some anime and manga. In addition it would perform much of the same roles a mecha would perform without being one.

Giant Robotic Centipedes and Sandworms will be superior to Bipedal Robots and Tanks in everyday.
do you have a single fact to back that up?

On sand worms, it is a very slow and difficult process to make tunnels.
Robot Snakes
exist and have supposedly been deployed in the field:
http://biorobotics.ri.cmu.edu/projects/modsnake/

Hudson Price
Hudson Price

muh AGI
fucking rogues are running the military too now?

Isaac Butler
Isaac Butler

It's a concept, if it works in real world is another matter.

Hint: It won't.

Cameron Walker
Cameron Walker

How about a mecha with a big gun that shoots out tanks?

Lucas Hill
Lucas Hill

How about a space battleship that shoots out mechas that shoots out tanks that shoots out lolis that shoot sparklies?

Jaxson Edwards
Jaxson Edwards

In addition it would perform much of the same roles a mecha would perform without being one.
urban warfare? yes
air superiority? no

Ryan Ortiz
Ryan Ortiz

I think magical girl drop carriers are all that you will ever need.

Gavin Anderson
Gavin Anderson

SOVIET POWER SUPREME
cue hellmarch2.mp3

Evan Gutierrez
Evan Gutierrez

air superiority? no
Not every mecha is airfaring.

Lucas Ortiz
Lucas Ortiz

True, but the most iconic ones are. And even in settings where they generally aren't at least one of the super-advanced ginyu force models will have flight capabilities.

Luke Bennett
Luke Bennett

armor tanks will still be needed to control/take ground. can't see what mobile light units would contribute that other means can provide

Cameron Howard
Cameron Howard

This. I'd love a realistic tank anime (very much so, and fuck anybody who brings up GuP), but seeing two giant robots beat the shit out of each other is pretty awesome. The only problem is that mecha is so formulaic and oversaturated now that it's really no longer cool to watch the ancient super mecha piloted by a nervous 14 year old boy beam spam and *teleports behind you* with his laser katana over and over again.

Charles Campbell
Charles Campbell

ancient super mecha piloted by a nervous 14 year old boy beam spam and *teleports behind you* with his laser katana
This has never happened.

Liam Clark
Liam Clark

he is obviously combining several common tropes that have not happened in that particular combination

and occasionally we get a good one with adult, professional pilots and some semi-realistic fighting.

Jose Lopez
Jose Lopez

0083 follows the feddies who win
who win
they fucking lost actually, what with the colony drop succeeding and that stuff

Ethan Cook
Ethan Cook

And indeed, they do basically fucking cheat and only make the mech in question LOOK like it walks. It doesn't. It just kind of trundles along on treads, and has cosmetic legs.

It's still pretty dangerous though just because of the nasty bioweapon it has.

Oliver Wright
Oliver Wright

The only problem is that mecha is so formulaic and oversaturated now that it's really no longer cool to watch the ancient super mecha piloted by a nervous 14 year old boy beam spam and *teleports behind you* with his laser katana over and over again.
hello plebbit!

Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

Meanwhile they all die and all the feddies, minus one who died because of a plot device all lived.

Feddie Wank.

Ryder Torres
Ryder Torres

I'll bet a normal tank would be twice as dangerous with that bioweapon.

Owen Hughes
Owen Hughes

all the feddies, minus one who died because of a plot device all lived.
That's not what the final scene tells us
they join the titans which because of the events in zeta probably got them all killed

Jason Hall
Jason Hall

They still survived the show itself.
Ergo, a Feddie Wank

Juan Long
Juan Long

I like how you ignore crossbone because it invalidates your argument

Mason Richardson
Mason Richardson

Those aren't replacing tanks you retard.

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

Crossbone
Canon
Pick one

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

You never said it had to be canon, only if it was a feddie wank or not.

Gavin Hall
Gavin Hall

Well the pirates are basically inadvertent pawns of the Federation since they do their dirty work for them in fighting the Jupiter empire

So feddie wank by proxy.

Noah Bailey
Noah Bailey

Eh sure what the hell I'll accept that explanation

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

allocate thousands of Pounds towards mechanized pill boxes
armed with machine guns and mountain guns

This is why a platoon of infantry is better

Justin Nguyen
Justin Nguyen

Stop making that absolutely shit analogy.
Tanks filled a prevoiusly unfulfilled niche.
Mechs are a solution looking for a niche to fill.

Dominic Myers
Dominic Myers

Guys, can I join you guys? But I am not even sure if I'm a tank or a mecha.

Jason Lopez
Jason Lopez

Mecha.

Carson Ward
Carson Ward

So what advantages does it have over a more developed harrier?

Jordan Kelly
Jordan Kelly

Australian Ex-Navy Officer here.

We are moving away from larger platforms like Destroyers in favour of smaller patrol boat and corvette designs. The reason being, modern weaponry can be fitted to the smallest platforms and be more mobile and get hit less.

If a destroyer or a cruiser gets hit by one missile it is fucked. For the price of a destroyer you can field 6-8 patrol boat sized vessels that have the same countermeasures and missile capabilities as a destroyer sized vessel. Adding to that they have less crew requirements and less logistical costs, making them more efficient to field in theatre.

It's the same concept with ground based weapons.

A soldier with a shoulder mounted weapon can wipe out a tank and is more mobile, as well as be able to take and hold objectives.

That is why militaries around the world are working on powered armour. It gives infantry the same mobility and strategic advantages, as well as offers them heavier armament and longer range.

Future battlefields are going to involve more vertical battles like the mountains of Afghanistan or cities with tall buildings. Tanks don't have the agility or capability to maneuver in these environments. Armored suits or mechs have jump jet capabilities, can climb buildings, maneuver through rough terrain and take and hold strategic objectives. They are literally just big soldiers.

Tanks have limitations, offensively and defensively. The only limitation a mech or an armored suit has is technologically.

That being said, as my post initially pointed out, I think things will become smaller before we get mechs, and they might be obsolete by then.

I mean, you can't even shoot at a robot the size of a fly or detect it, or counter it with conventional arms.

As history has shown in warfare, small, mobile and agile weapon platforms come out on top.

Nolan Martin
Nolan Martin

good luck packing a railgun or laser defense system on a patrol boat.

Tanks don't have the agility or capability to maneuver in these environments.
they look reasonable capable of operating in cities in those drone videos from syria

Levi Sanders
Levi Sanders

Mesh networked drone swarms are going to shit all over exosuits, tanks, and any other ground-based weapons platform.
And I'm not talking about that retarded Call of Duty shit that looked like a black school of fish flying around.

The only limit to the way you could use a swarm of drones is the battery life, and they make gas powered ones for that anyways.

Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

Just imagine.
Raytheon already makes a man portable drone equipped with a warhead. Perfect for reaching people hidden away in tough to reach urban areas.

Aaron Edwards
Aaron Edwards

Call me when you get close and not blown the fuck away by my superior firepower and tank/artillery spam

Eli Carter
Eli Carter

Where could a mech go that a modern tank couldn't?

Space

Eli Price
Eli Price

That's what spaceplanes/balls are for.

Jackson Rivera
Jackson Rivera

yes but can a tank fight in space?

Brandon Miller
Brandon Miller

Balls
Outclassed in space by literally everything else designed for space use ever

Liam King
Liam King

Only because of mobile suits, which need some bullshit space magic to work.

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

You just have to post this, right?

Adrian Wilson
Adrian Wilson

Put simply the fire power of a weapon is going to be the same weather a mech or tank has it. So because tanks are a thousand times cheaper you could get a thousand times more fire power for the same price.

A tank would be cheaper to armor because it's a square shape, very easy to design armor for and no real weak points. A humanoid shape has a lot more surface area and thus would take more money to apply the same level of armor to everything. As a result you could have more tanks with more armor for the same cost.

The only thing a humonoid shape would be remotly good at is maneuverability. However given their massive cost I'm sure you could just put a jet engine on a tank for less.

Andrew Murphy
Andrew Murphy

I'm pretty sure a space fighter such as a core booster would also outclass a ball user, not just mobile suits.

Kayden Morales
Kayden Morales

Tabks are also far cheaper to maintain, and far more survivable for the crew.

Eli Wilson
Eli Wilson

Why can't a ball or a box be a fighter?
There's no real reason to have wings in space unless you want them to also operate in atmosphere.

Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

Or just spam more funnels.

Michael Sanders
Michael Sanders

Whines about giant robots
Posts a picture with a twin-cannon tank

Not on their own, no, but it would be pretty awesome if a battalion just rolled out onto the hull of a freight liner or something and started shooting everything down

A fighter would still be a ball. Spheres are the optimal shape for maneuvering outside an atmosphere.

Christopher Jones
Christopher Jones

No tight bodysuit for pilots
Better
Pick only one. And no nobody could possible fap to someone wearing something like a Soviet tanker helmet.
Also you cannot perform the ancient tradition of hugging/ramming an invincible enemy and blowing yourself up after giving a speech inside a tank.

Levi Bailey
Levi Bailey

nobody could possible fap to someone wearing something like a Soviet tanker helmet.
Says you, homo.

Oliver Ortiz
Oliver Ortiz

Only because the laws of the universe work that way. In real life, one ball would probably beat ten Zakus because mobile suits would be so inefficient.

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

tanks
not just one guy with an AT rifle

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

if you're a homo maybe

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

Friendly reminder that Mechs make sense in stuff like Gundam because they were designed as ultra versatile machines, even capable of taking out fires, fixing air leaks etc, and good for a wide range of tactics, including guerilla, because they were seriously lacking manpower by the time of 0079.

Also those big machines are physically stupid in area with normal gravity.

Zachary Watson
Zachary Watson

Cheaper to maintain
Posting the Abrams, the king of "needs more logistics support than a small country's postal service"

Camden Carter
Camden Carter

Do you have any facts, stats, first hand experience on Abrams, or is this just another dumb meme like the Ronson.

Cooper Flores
Cooper Flores

guerilla,
Nothing says guerrilla like a machine that needs tons of fuel and maintennance amirite.

Jayden Morgan
Jayden Morgan

It's always the same, they get all that from secret allies. Look at ISIS. How do you think they have grown that much?

Angel Sanders
Angel Sanders

That's why Tachikomas are great. Best of both worlds.

Thomas Sanders
Thomas Sanders

but mechs look cooler and can use futuristic melee weapons to shred the slow fat tank apart

Angel Smith
Angel Smith

By stealing all the gucci shit the Ir*qis left behind when they ran off.

Brayden Garcia
Brayden Garcia

The argument could be applied to any kind of machinery, so it's kinda invalid...

Also, space nazi magic.

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

the original mech the prototype zaku was only made with killing people in mind tho

Luis Smith
Luis Smith

If a poor country like Egypt can afford to build and use them by the thousands I don't think its that resource hungry.
I recall that they took the city with Iraq's treasury, billions of dollars can get you enough mercenary when Iraqi commanders ran with their soldier's salaries.

Logan Phillips
Logan Phillips

What said, it was just generalizations.

and occasionally we get a good one with adult, professional pilots and some semi-realistic fighting.

No doubt, I didn't mean we don't. I actually like mecha a lot, I was simply referring to the guy's "rule of cool" comment, in that oversaturating what was once cool makes it no longer covered by the rule.

This boogeyman meme is very stale.

Xavier Taylor
Xavier Taylor

2016
tanks are being obsolete for more than 70 years already
No tank could touch that shooter which is only on the 9th storeys building. And imagine that guys on the roof of a skyscraper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7JqeKjXltw
Mechas maybe is not our future but tanks are definitely the PAST.

Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

Bongistan did a ton of damage raiding german airfields in Africa using jeeps and trucks, those aren't terribly hard to maintain and operate.

The maintenance a MS would need would probably rival an apache heli or some shit.

John Russell
John Russell

thats why they keep getting updated every year, right?

Gavin Peterson
Gavin Peterson

Well, really, you only trade versatility for ease to operate/maintain.

Hunter Torres
Hunter Torres

But what about the drone or heli providing the tank drivers with info from above?

Michael Sullivan
Michael Sullivan

ur dum

Adam Adams
Adam Adams

These kind of arguments are silly since they assume weapons systems always operate on their own without backup. No enough gun elevation? There's arty, aircraft and drones.

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

tanks are definitely the PAST.
Please educate yourself.

Isaiah Price
Isaiah Price

Not him, but the Abrams is notoriously fuel-hungry, having something like half the efficiency of the Leo 2 or T-90. It makes up for it with a much larger fuel tank, an engine that runs off basically anything flammable, and the best logistical backing in the world.

Lucas Fisher
Lucas Fisher

plus that gun elevation is good enough to shell those rooftops from several kilometers away

Angel Campbell
Angel Campbell

Fighting bunga-bongo in the middle of clayshitted hovels is not the same than making an assault on the concrete city with skyscrapers and houses which were build to withstand nuclear blast.
Not to mention that modern urban tank doctrine haven't changed since WW2 soviet style urban assaults, where two tank columns were hugging buildings and shooting in the cross formation. The right column was shooting at the left, the left column was shooting at the right. The modern version of this assault just added a light assault machines with machine guns or 30mm cannons to target frontal threats.

Justin Baker
Justin Baker

CPLT-C1

lel

Josiah Perez
Josiah Perez

okay

Brandon Bell
Brandon Bell

What did he mean by this.

Chase Cox
Chase Cox

Abrams a cute
A CUTE

Ryder Brown
Ryder Brown

Iran's special forces with vampire rpgs and 12 blownupped the most advanced mercavas.webwm.
A column of 24 Merkava tanks from the 401st Brigade advanced westward from the area of Tayyiba and when it entered the wadi it was attacked from all sides, including from the rear near 'Udaysa (Adaisseh) that had been thought to have been under IDF control for several days. The Hizbullah had prepared an ambush from hidden positions on the hilltops. The tanks were attacked by missiles, probably of the Kornet type.[9] Eleven of the tanks were hit and several went up in flames. Eight tankers, including two company commanders, and four Nahal infantry men died in the initial battle of Sulouqi.[49] Hizbullah fighters used ATGMs, small-arms fire, and mortars to suppress the Nahal Brigade, preventing them from providing effective infantry support for the armor forces.[50] Timur Göksel, the former chief spokesperson for UNIFIL later commented that that "anyone dumb enough to push a tank column through Wadi Saluki should not be an armored brigade commander but a cook."[50]

Gabriel Diaz
Gabriel Diaz

cooling is hard in space. you don't want balls there. you want more surface area, not less.

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

anime
worrying about heat dissipation in space
ever

Jonathan Peterson
Jonathan Peterson

What does this have to do with the supposed obsolescence of tanks?
Sounds more like the IDF failed to properly use tanks and infantry to clear an urban area.

Lucas Robinson
Lucas Robinson

That guy is a retard, but pretty much all military development is pursued on the assumption that the next war will be like the previous one. There's not telling if tanks actually would be useful in a wide scale, traditional warfare WW3, but we operate off the assumption it will be because otherwise we'd have no route to trace. So bringing up "but we still improve them" is a weak argument. People thought the Maginot Line was fucking genius until war had changed.

A better point to prove that guy wrong is that tanks rule in pretty much any non urban, relatively traversible terrain, hence why they are still going to most likely be useful. It's already been shown that taking heavy armor into a city is risky even with a heavy infantry escort, just like it has been since we first used tanks in cities. I could see some sort of power suit/small mecha being useful in mountainous or urban terrain as a good balance between increased mobility and reduced armor, but they would only ever be a specialty item deployed in certain scenarios, not a main armor piece. And most likely they would STILL need a heavy infantry escort, so they still wouldn't be all that much better in many scenarios than a tank would.

Jordan King
Jordan King

Is this the loaders only responsibility in a tank on tank battle

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

Except the military doesn't tend to keep on wasteful weapons that are not useful in any modern doctrine. see: battleships or any gunboat in general really. so they assume tanks are still useful in some capacity and I think they know more about modern tactics and strategy than us

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

The loader also acts as a substitute if any other crewman gets injured.

Nicholas Carter
Nicholas Carter

Power armor will be used in the future for no-knock dog shootings.

Ryder Flores
Ryder Flores

Sometimes they do. Space elves solved it by having their ships consume coolant like a hummer drinks gas.

Samuel Collins
Samuel Collins

Mechs are fast and agile, really
when they're powered by magic ofc

Kayden Jones
Kayden Jones

Except the military doesn't tend to keep on wasteful weapons that are not useful in any modern doctrine
Like the F35?

Jonathan Turner
Jonathan Turner

Well, I was generalizing pretty heavily, but there was a pretty long period of time that it was still thought gunboats would be useful before we all changed our minds. It wasn't like we finished up a war and said "well these are shit, time to ditch the old and busted", but rather that we realized that new methods were superior to the old ones. That doesn't always happen though, and there are a few instances of people relying on tried and true military tactics, then getting BTFO when war has changed. Sometimes the people who change it succeed, and sometimes the people who change it fail miserably, but I still think most people play it safe. Not all massive changes to war doctrine will result in a Blitzkrieg type success.

But I'm a casual military fag so I won't pretend like I'm an expert on the topic. This is just what I can tell from reading various things and keeping up with current events.

Just like god intended.

David Jenkins
David Jenkins

No.

Mason Jenkins
Mason Jenkins

well there IS a need for a stealth multirole fighter. whether or not the F35 is what anyone should be using is an other matter

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

But how does the coolant even work? All coolants as far as I know operate off of utilizing the endogenic reactions of evaporation in order to absorb heat from the system producing said heat. That just rearranges the heat, but does nothing of actually discharging the heat: at best you'll slowly raise the temperature of the ship until everybody dies of heat stroke. I could see that being a reasonable emergency maneuver for a short time, but using it as your primary cooling mechanism is pointless since the goal is to discharge the heat into space, not into your environment. Coolants only work on Earth because you have a planetwide heat sink, but in space there is no heat sink, and it's very hard to get rid of heat in a vacuum.

Nicholas Lee
Nicholas Lee

whatever doctrine people use, there will always be a need for a heavily armored 130mm+ cannon on the battlefield. the specifics about how to use it are what can change nation to nation

Jacob James
Jacob James

Agreed. Even if tanks are no longer useful in a variety of scenarios, they are still a big ass mobile cannon complete with support guns and a shit ton of armor, so I am sure people will find uses for them somewhere.

Liam Ward
Liam Ward

They vent it into space. that's why i said they guzzle it like gas.

And vacuum makes a pretty good evaporating soak.

Thomas Flores
Thomas Flores

you could also store it in a magical sci-fi material that is incapable of transferring heat

Landon Bell
Landon Bell

they vent it into space

You mean they vent the coolant vapor into space? I see what you mean now, they literally use the coolant as a heat sink and fling it out into space, presumably using an insulated chamber to prevent heat bleeding to the atmosphere.

It's been too long since I watched Crest/Banner of the Stars, looks like it's time for a rewatch.

Owen Walker
Owen Walker

Swerve, kiddo.

Ian Green
Ian Green

If it's incapable of transferring heat then that would necessitate it being incapable of receiving heat. That would be a perfect insulator, which would be great for lining an engine compartment to make sure the heat didn't reach the rest of the ship, but would do nothing in terms of being a heat sink.

Jack Young
Jack Young

Needs more dakka. I also love those bottom mounted guns in the middle left of the picture on the tank shooting that wreckage. I can just imagine the dude operating it saying "fuck this wreckage. Fuck it hard."

Easton Young
Easton Young

where does the heat go when its in space?

Brayden James
Brayden James

Easily solved by having retractable radiators. The whole point of sphere designs is that you minimize structural mass, allowing you to cram more useful shit on board.

Jace Flores
Jace Flores

Rick Owens?!

Jordan Anderson
Jordan Anderson

heat transport in solids: vibrations, i.e. phonons
heat transport in fluids: convection, i.e. movement of the hot material itself
heat transport in transparent materials, including vacuum: radiation, i.e. photons

the methods are not mutually exclusive.

Isaac Jenkins
Isaac Jenkins

Does it have hover mode? Because you shouldn't be allowed to design a tank like that without also adding hover mode.

Kevin Edwards
Kevin Edwards

It dissipates through radiation. On Earth most heat transfer is done through convection or conduction, but unfortunately neither of those exist in a vacuum, so you have to defend on the least efficient method in space. Since most futuristic ships are going to generate a metric fuck ton of heat, heating becomes a huge problem since you are limited by how inefficient radiation is for heat transfer. That's why a heat sink is necessary for a more efficient heat transfer through conduction, convection, or a mixture of the two, but then you usually need to jettison that heat sink into space, making it remarkably wasteful.

Easily solved

Radiation is shit for heat transfer though. You'd need to devote a huge amount of the structure to radiators just to prevent overheating.

Josiah Thomas
Josiah Thomas

Bolos are the OG big dumb mega-tank, their main guns can smoke cities and their controlled by ultimate bro-tier AI.

Some of the older art is really fucking silly though, pic related.

Nathan Jackson
Nathan Jackson

Yes.

Kayden Thomas
Kayden Thomas

that
silly
I think you mean awesome

Robert Cruz
Robert Cruz

The problem with the tank vs mech argument is that most people seem to think about Gundams or super robots when defending tanks. In reality, we are likely to end up with something like pic related.

And yes, we are funding robots for use in combat.

Aiden Anderson
Aiden Anderson

just use your main deflector dish to deflect the radiation away from your equipment and into space

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

Radiation is shit for heat transfer though. You'd need to devote a huge amount of the structure to radiators just to prevent overheating.
No more than you'd have to devote in a non-spherical design.
If you'd prefer, the ball can carry more heat sinks/coolant to dump when the battle's over.

Camden Kelly
Camden Kelly

That's fucking glorious though. Reminds me of this old action figure/car/mecha shit thing I had. There was this big mobile tank base that was filled with smaller tanks, and it reminded me a lot of that. I wish I could remember what it was called. There was alien car tanks too, shit was pretty awesome for a kid.

We can only do that after reversing the polarities, and you know how risky that is.

I didn't say it would be more, just that relying on radiators period for cooling is really wasteful. It would be much better to use a disposable heat sink like you said, unless you wanted some really big ass balls.

Andrew Nelson
Andrew Nelson

Bipedal is too easily disabled. Spider tanks will reign supreme.
Even if pic related relies on inertial dampening to keep the joints from snapping

Wyatt Howard
Wyatt Howard

Spider tanks / quad legs are just tanks with a lot of added disadvantages. At least bipeds have a unique roll to play that tanks cannot fulfill.

David Lopez
David Lopez

what unique role is that? using the most inefficient form of locomotion?

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

And yes, we are funding robots for use in combat.

They look nothing like that.

The problem with the tank vs mech argument is that most people seem to think about Gundams or super robots when defending tanks. In reality, we are likely to end up with something like pic related.

Sorry bud, bipedal vehicles bigger then a human are stupid due to basic physics. The only case for legged vehicles bigger then humans is for fighting within orbital structures and mega-structures, you would probably end up with a ball with tentacles though.

Wyatt Anderson
Wyatt Anderson

How would two legs be any better than six+ legs though? Like another user said earlier in the thread, centipede tanks are really the most efficient design. You get all the benefits of mobility without being crippled by losing a couple of legs. Even if a bipedal tank lost one leg it's fucking useless, but a spider or centipede tank could remain some or all of its functionality, and get the fuck out for repairs.

James Fisher
James Fisher

They look nothing like that.
We don't know what they look like, but we do know that we are throwing a lot of money at BIPEDAL robotics and we have made leaps and bounds in progress. By we I mean the US of course, not sure what the EU is up to.

Gabriel Anderson
Gabriel Anderson

we are throwing a lot of money at BIPEDAL robotics
mostly for ones that are the same size or smaller than us. the rest are just rich people with too much money who want to live out their fantasies

Carson Ross
Carson Ross

Mega Force, nigga. I liked it too.

http://www.toyarchive.com/Megaforce/TarTraks.html

Colton Adams
Colton Adams

Self replicating swarms shitting out robo-abominations beat all you punks.

Lucas Reed
Lucas Reed

a battalion just rolled out onto the hull of a freight liner or something and started shooting everything down
Something like this?
https://youtu.be/Slqa30DSSKE?t=18s

Nathan Kelly
Nathan Kelly

Surprisingly, that actually isn't it. Damn, I think they're boxed up at my mom's place, maybe this summer I can dig them out and figure out what they were called. The alien car tanks kinda reminded me of Zerg, and had saws and shit attached to them. For some reason I remember the aliens better than the humans.

Isaac Wood
Isaac Wood

Do mini-mecha, but not immediately. Research and more research is needed to make it work.

Tyler James
Tyler James

swarms
This. Not only that, but if we can make said robot fly intelligent enough to crawl inside tanks and explode on the operator or some piece of critical machinery, a huge expensive tank can be neutralized for a very low cost.
air superiority
Oh fuck no. Mecha that fly are completely ridiculuous in the real world. Yes even the ones from macross.

Benjamin Price
Benjamin Price

Like this?

Colton Turner
Colton Turner

still really only useful against enemies the same size. a tank with a weapon the diameter of that things waist will still wreck it
but muh future weaponry
the tank has it too. its just much bigger

Nathan Evans
Nathan Evans

One thing I think people forget with big power suits is how flipping hard it would be to go into buildings, you would be falling through stairs and floors left right and center.

Slim power armour is the future desu.

Carson Hall
Carson Hall

Where is their power source anyways? little triple A batteries or something? Imagine how much power something the size of a tank could put out with the same magic power source these things use

Isaiah Baker
Isaiah Baker

Damn. I thought I had it too.

Jaxon Thomas
Jaxon Thomas

Lacks shoulder loli.

Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson

Where is that from and how tall is it?

Angel Scott
Angel Scott

lookd man sized to me

Hudson Robinson
Hudson Robinson

Are you walking about power armour in general or just big dumb suits? PA is the future my dude, their not supposed to replace tanks just replace infantry.

Pretty sure that image is just something I got off devientart or artstation.

Jose Perry
Jose Perry

power armor still implies its being powered. Unless they have a V8 engine on their back, I can't see them being viable anytime soon

Jonathan Russell
Jonathan Russell

there are far more compact engine designs than a v8. and if it's powered it can support its own weight

Leo Young
Leo Young

there are far more compact engine designs than a v8.
for running a lawnmower or vespa, maybe

Aiden Cox
Aiden Cox

It's higher.
The idea of bipedal is that you could move the weapon higher to have a better fire arc.

Owen Murphy
Owen Murphy

I hope you have read the book series "Predator Cities". It's a really good read and I'm kinda disappointed there is no movie adaptation of it.

Zachary Davis
Zachary Davis

Alternatively known in some circles as the "Mortal Engines" series, just throwing that there.

Natsworthy deserved better

Jordan Ortiz
Jordan Ortiz

You can just mount the gun on a periscope for less risk of getting your whole body blown away instead of just your cannon.

Joshua Cooper
Joshua Cooper

it's higher

Why would bipedal necessarily be higher than a multileg system? And why would you have higher legs to begin with? That just means a higher center of gravity and more opportunity for shit to fuck up.

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

For the price of a destroyer you can field 6-8 patrol boat sized vessels that have the same countermeasures and missile capabilities as a destroyer sized vessel. Adding to that they have less crew requirements and less logistical costs, making them more efficient to field in theatre.

For the price of a mecha, you can have 200 tanks. If you need 3 to 5 person to operate a tank. You only need this person to perform combat reparation.

You kind of contradict yourself in your statements.

By the way, the Australian navy Doctrine tend for a low cost navy. Not an efficient one. Sure you would have great capability to defend yourself, but I don't think patrol boat sized vessels are a good idea for American, French, British,... navies. I may be wrong though.

Thomas Walker
Thomas Walker

Tankfaggots have always been and always will be retards.

Logan Garcia
Logan Garcia

I hate when the guns are just scaled up. It looks ridiculous.

Samuel Flores
Samuel Flores

Not on their own, no, but it would be pretty awesome if a battalion just rolled out onto the hull of a freight liner or something and started shooting everything down
Might as well just use turrets. Those tanks are gonna go off the ship as soon as they shoot.

Jason Sullivan
Jason Sullivan

Nice of you to realize it, OP

Thomas Campbell
Thomas Campbell

I like the music of the video.

Liam Reed
Liam Reed

Escaflowne, you plebs

Christopher Bell
Christopher Bell

if anything gets close they're fucked.
Slowpoke, but had to be said:
Google "US carrier group, Chinese diesel sub", user

Connor Gomez
Connor Gomez

That picture has me wondering. Has there ever been a tank with a dual-gun turret?

I kind of dig it.

Brayden Perez
Brayden Perez

Maus has a 128mm main gun and a coaxial 75mm

Ayden Bennett
Ayden Bennett

Mostly SPAAGs.

Gabriel Lopez
Gabriel Lopez

Then when I meant mini mecha, I meant the eponymous mini mecha of VOTOMS.

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

M3 lee

Luis Peterson
Luis Peterson

build tanks worth several thousands dollars
They can be taken out with cheap rocket launchers

John Flores
John Flores

T-35 has five turrets for when you need to remove a horde of Nazi.
only several thousands dollars
That happens when you make them out of paper, I'm quite sure modern tanks cost several million each at least.

Jackson Martin
Jackson Martin

A motorized kite with bazookas strapped to the wings can fuck up Heavy Tanks
man WW2 was crazy

Adrian Peterson
Adrian Peterson

tanks are not multi-million dollar machines

Wyatt Morris
Wyatt Morris

two legs
easier to control
Walking is a fucking complicated task with all those joints to control. How is it easier than just rolling around?

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