Merriam-Webster Has Noticed 'Senpai' for Possible Dictionary Addition

Owen Butler
Owen Butler

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-05-13/merriam-webster-has-noticed-senpai-for-possible-dictionary-addition/.102091
One word that's caught the Massachusetts-based company's attention is "senpai" (also romanized as "sempai"). Merriam-Webster has noticed sempai, and everyone using the phrase online to denote wanted attention from another person.

mfw normies still don't know about desu

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-05-13/merriam-webster-has-noticed-senpai-for-possible-dictionary-addition/.102091
http://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/senpai-is-real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_%28kana%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasei-eigo
Angel Morris
Angel Morris

Normalfags were a mistake

Angel Clark
Angel Clark

nice anime or manga discussion

Carson Barnes
Carson Barnes

What the fuck Merriam-Webster. You can't just literally steal a word from a different language and call it English in the 21st century. That shit doesn't fly anymore. Not only that but their given definition is so off the mark it makes me contemplate suicide.

Lucas Stewart
Lucas Stewart

Are you implying that it's the current year?

Luke King
Luke King

ragecomic
imgflip
meme text
ann

Lurk for 2 years before posting.

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith

But I've been here since 2009.

Samuel Long
Samuel Long

Your brain is not.

Noah Martinez
Noah Martinez

It can't be that bad, right?

Cameron Cox
Cameron Cox

fuck off retard

Thomas Bell
Thomas Bell

Whether it's English or not isn't up to Merriam-Webster. Their only role in the whole thing is to chronicle the language.

It's up to people who speak English. If it's spreading around the English speaking community, then that means that it's becoming a part of the English language, whether the dictionaries acknowledge it or not.

Leo Garcia
Leo Garcia

Tell that to tycoon moron.

Merriam-Webster documents the lexicon that is the English language. If it is used by English speakers and is understood in context by a significant minority of the population it is by definition part of the lexicon.

Michael Scott
Michael Scott

Enjoy your ban.

David Morgan
David Morgan

So literally something English has done for ages?

Colton Robinson
Colton Robinson

The amount of normalfags using Japanese words is fucking stupid. It's like they're trying make fun of weeaboos but end up sounding even more obnoxious.

Isaac Turner
Isaac Turner

What definition? The one you made up for them in your head? They seem to have a detailed and informed understanding of the word its roots and the memes that surround it.

Source actual fucking website
http://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/senpai-is-real

Blake Morgan
Blake Morgan

understood in context by a significant minority of the population

I doubt most people would understand what senpai means, meme or no meme.

Kayden Richardson
Kayden Richardson

English

You mean every human language in the history of human languages. Languages taking words from other languages is something that's always occurred and will always occur.

Julian Rivera
Julian Rivera

wordfilter makes it into a dictionary

Oh wait, this is ANN

Disregard.

Leo Long
Leo Long

THE ERA OF SEMPAI IS UPON US

Zachary Nguyen
Zachary Nguyen

minority=most people

Clearly my friend, you are a moron.

Josiah Sanders
Josiah Sanders

ANN only becomes cancer when they do opinion pieces. They aren't bad for actual news.

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

English is practically made of loan works from other languages, and for those who don't know, there are countless English loan words in Japanese.

Jaxon Campbell
Jaxon Campbell

fake and gay
Sage

Evan Ramirez
Evan Ramirez

Literal forced meme.

Might as well have more wordfilters. Filter all the tumbr/twitter nigspeak into real words

Josiah Garcia
Josiah Garcia

You don't understand. Senpai only exists online as slang because of the worldfilter that hiroshima placed on twitter nigspeak that changed senpai to sempai

Ethan Flores
Ethan Flores

Forgot the name, but I found an English dictionary that had "ianfu" in it.

Owen Jackson
Owen Jackson

senpai
should have used ohayou instead.

Xavier Roberts
Xavier Roberts

minority
Fuck, I thought it said majority ;w;

Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

announcing your sage is against the rules, friend

Charles King
Charles King

good job retard

Carson Garcia
Carson Garcia

Mods don't even know what sage is.

Kevin Perez
Kevin Perez

muh rules
fuck off, retard

Zachary Cruz
Zachary Cruz

Nice fecesbook tier pic nigger.

Samuel Russell
Samuel Russell

mfw there are probably people who legitimately 100% believe this statement to be correct

Remember to sage and report.

Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

sempai

STOP

IT'S senpai

SENPAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Landon Evans
Landon Evans

God I hate weebs

Tyler Rodriguez
Tyler Rodriguez

pic
normies
Kill yourself.

Brandon Lewis
Brandon Lewis

Why is this fucking garbage still up? Is this the state of Sup Forums in 2016?

Robert Rogers
Robert Rogers

Check this senpai.

Caleb Torres
Caleb Torres

sempai
people are going to start saying it like that

Fuck. They're doing this on purpose.

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

newshits don't know how to sage

Juan Kelly
Juan Kelly

;w;
Kill yourself already OP.

Henry Richardson
Henry Richardson

Baka desu senpai.

Thomas Ramirez
Thomas Ramirez

It's センパイ.

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

All y'all sempai haters just don't understand phonemes.

Colton Young
Colton Young

センパイ
Exactly! It's not セmパイ

Connor Perry
Connor Perry

Actually, it's 先輩.

Benjamin Stewart
Benjamin Stewart

The meme gained traction in 2012, especially on Tumblr. It got an additional boost when popular YouTuber PewDiePie began using the phrase regularly in his videos.

Wow, the Japanese have been using a meme word in their language and they probably don't even know Pewdiepie invented it!

Josiah Gomez
Josiah Gomez

That's what it sounds like in japanese though.

Jace Jackson
Jace Jackson

you can type it as sempai on most IMEs though. And pronouncing ん before a p* or b* syllable makes it sound more like an 'mm' sound anyways, so the 'senpai' spelling is misleading.

Grayson Gray
Grayson Gray

Congratulations, you've just realised that English is the most mongrel language in existence.

Elijah Perry
Elijah Perry

Kill yourself.

Oliver Phillips
Oliver Phillips

what is Hepburn

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

attention sempai haters

ん or ン
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_%28kana%29

[n] (before n, t, d, r, ts, z, ch and j )
[m] (before m, p and b )

You don't really understand Japanese.

Dominic Morris
Dominic Morris

Except... you know... Japanese...

Jacob James
Jacob James

tumblr and literal who in charge of once again ruining things that you could think impossible to ruin.
This is "epic" all over again.

Making both correct.

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

...
get out of Sup Forums

Colton Nguyen
Colton Nguyen

least japonesia has the good sense to have a separate set of characters for the words they stole.

Easton Hernandez
Easton Hernandez

ITT:butthurt weebs
You should be glad there are nip words added to the english dictionary because in the inevitable future Japan as a nation will die off because the people don't fuck a lot.

Isaac Fisher
Isaac Fisher

I know what you mean, but you still need to go to bed, Gilgamesh.

Adam Baker
Adam Baker

How is this Sup Forums related in any way?

Luke Stewart
Luke Stewart

[ũ͍] (before vowels, palatal approximants (y), consonants h, f, s, sh and w)
Wikipedia, always a trusted source of totally not bullshit

Colton Lee
Colton Lee

nip words
senpai - means someone relatively senior to you(age/experience/profession/etc.)
in webster it means notice me"
Wow, wonder why some people will get angry.

Dominic Bell
Dominic Bell

The most active threads on Sup Forums that are not generals are not related to Sup Forums.

Grayson Carter
Grayson Carter

No it doesn't. They spell it using "ん".

Isaiah Diaz
Isaiah Diaz

Just look at the motherfucking OP, sage and report.

Landon Barnes
Landon Barnes

Am I still allowed to ironically use senpai on /sp/?

Jackson Powell
Jackson Powell

And that justifies this thread being here how?

Parker Reyes
Parker Reyes

Implying that that line isn't correct
Implying that you know better than wikipedia
implying I don't know that language phoneme translation is a quagmire.
Implying you can pronounce ũ͍ properly and know what it fucking sounds like.

Adam Turner
Adam Turner

It doesn't. It's just how it works here.

Connor Davis
Connor Davis

I think he's trying to tell you to look at the disease, not the symptom

Gavin Harris
Gavin Harris

/int/
/lit/
/jp/
/news/
>>>/anywherebuthere/

Dominic Davis
Dominic Davis

try
>>>/reddit/

Joshua Cruz
Joshua Cruz

Try to pronounce senpai and sempai, the two have 2 different sounds.
Then listen to what the japanese says, and you'll hear seNpai.

Kayden Garcia
Kayden Garcia

Also add that,

Juan Jenkins
Juan Jenkins

senpai
meaning notice me
add slang words into common dictionary
the fuck wrong with you america

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Japanese is a nasal language
both n and m sounds are produced by the cutting off of air in the nasal
it's both, desu

Eli Ramirez
Eli Ramirez

senpai
meaning notice me
That doesn't even make sense, isn't the meme "will senpai notice me" or some variation of it?

Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

Yes, and ん is exactly equal to english n, so you are of course 100% correct, you magnificent human bean.

Kayden Foster
Kayden Foster

implying な and ま are the same

Thomas Richardson
Thomas Richardson

We already covered this read before posting next time.

Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

It's a meme entry for a meme dictionary. A memetionary, to coin a portmanteau. Buy an Oxford.

John Russell
John Russell

implying the n sound in な makes the same n sound in ん, particularly when ん is proceeded by another consonant

Aiden Taylor
Aiden Taylor

implying it's not
こんなバカ本当にばかかな

Brody Baker
Brody Baker


wouldn't that be の?
If you listen to people speaking, or even speak it at all, you will find very quickly that n and m are very similar, at least before syllables such as ぱ.

Austin Collins
Austin Collins

Buy an Oxford.
The one that chose some emoticon as word of the year?

Carter Taylor
Carter Taylor

IMO the definition they choose should reflect how it is used in english, which may differ from the japanese meaning
I basically agree here, but to be fair I'd like to point out that M-W is considered one of the most "progressive" or "descriptivist" dictionaries out there [citation needed]

Asher Sanders
Asher Sanders

Listen here you kisama! If you don't fuck off, me and my anon-tachi are going to owari you. Fucking faggot yatsu.

Carter Wood
Carter Wood

will notice me notice me?

Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler

different people pronounce it differently

Landon Hughes
Landon Hughes

What the fuck Merriam-Webster. You can't just literally steal a word from a different language and call it English in the 21st century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasei-eigo

Noah Long
Noah Long

Yes, that difference is exactly what I'm trying to prove exists.

Owen Sanchez
Owen Sanchez

We will leave to see the ages where actual teenage girls talk about their senpai

Easton Foster
Easton Foster

baka desu senpai

Kevin Wilson
Kevin Wilson

it makes me contemplate suicide.

You mean it makes you contemplate Seppuku? (Merriam-Webster 2017)

Or maybe you mean contemplate Sudoku? (Merriam-Webster 2020)?

Or maybe you want to become an hero (Merriam-Webster 2024)?

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

an hero becomes actual English
full circle if I've ever seen one

Ayden Jackson
Ayden Jackson

At least it's an actual word.

Aiden Nguyen
Aiden Nguyen

the 2020+ versions are more likely to just be skull emoji

Isaac Gonzalez
Isaac Gonzalez

Which is pronounced as "n", "m" or even "ng" depending on context

Oliver Gutierrez
Oliver Gutierrez

So if I get enough other english speakers to use "C'est la vie" or "Bon appetit" they will officially become english words?

Is the concept of using foreign phrases without necessarily identifying them as our language completely non-existent?

Joseph Sullivan
Joseph Sullivan

Those are considered English though.

without necessarily identifying them as our language completely non-existent?

This is impossible in the long run. If a phrase or word is used enough, it no longer becomes associated in your mind as foreign. Just consider many of the words I used in my sentence which were originally thought of as fancy French words, like considered, impossible, foreign, sentence, and originally

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

I'm so glad my original language isn't so retarded, and that it at least has the decency to try and adapt new words to an already existing structure instead of taking a foreign phrase as is and claim ownership over it.

Xavier Evans
Xavier Evans

English does not claim ownership over words from other countries any more than other languages that borrow words. Most people just don't realize the difference because it gets obscured by the lack of necessity to care where the word came from. Phrases that haven't been mutated by the English language through extensive use such as 'bon appetit' are still recognized as foreign, and are only thrown around for style/effect.

If you looked in the dictionary for a random word, you would notice the section where it explains the word origin.

Julian Davis
Julian Davis

by a significant minority of the population it is by definition part of the lexicon
Does it make criminal slang part of the lexicon too?

Cameron Ross
Cameron Ross

Yes? In their particular subdialect

Nathan Jenkins
Nathan Jenkins

It's vocabulary that sees heavy use from a sizable group of native English speakers. What do you think?

But I don't like the people who use it!

That's an extremely weak argument for it not being a part of the English language, and that's basically all that it boils down to.

Jackson Bell
Jackson Bell

You can really expect anything now. Apparently now pewdiepie has a dakimakura that shows in his videos he calls "onii-chan" and sometimes shows screencaps of Sup Forums. All of this while making the obnoxious dank memes shit from 2-3 years ago.

Jeremiah Cooper
Jeremiah Cooper

implying this isn't all going according to the plan

This shit has been available to read since the 1950s and everyone acts like this kind of shit is a big surprise.

Destroy history, destroy language, destroy culture, leave only cattle.

Jaxon Barnes
Jaxon Barnes

normies
Just fuck off faggot.

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