Villains who did nothing wrong

Mason Garcia
Mason Garcia

Post your picks, I'll start

Robert Powell
Robert Powell

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Cameron Garcia
Cameron Garcia

Villains
But Yoshii was a hero.

Gabriel Kelly
Gabriel Kelly

In fact, he's more of a hero who did plenty wrong than a villain who did nothing wrong.

Brandon Edwards
Brandon Edwards

I forgot what Yoshis point was.

He started off as a charming, sane person and turned out to be a legit psycho.

Jose Green
Jose Green

The people he messes with tend to benefit. E.g. color rangers getting superpowers they can use outside of the game.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

He was charming and probably sane through and through but he was none the less a man on a mission to save mankind and he was determined to go through with it all.

Colton Murphy
Colton Murphy

He just wanted to sell drugs

Carter Lewis
Carter Lewis

As a I said, I forgot what his goal was.

All i remember is he put a machine gun out, trying to assassinate the mayor (?) and kicked a woman through glass. After which the grumpy main hero overpowered him.

Hudson Perez
Hudson Perez

His goal was literally to save mankind from decline and quiet destruction by starting a war that would force people to live again. All the main players in Texhnolyze were trying to save mankind in their own way. Everything he did was to try and incite the various groups in the city to fight each-other.

Owen Nelson
Owen Nelson

Was that stated, or only implied/hinted at?

Jace Young
Jace Young

I'm pretty sure he says it himself but it's been so long since I last watched it that I can't be sure.

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

It's been a while since I've seen Texhnolyze but I thought Yoshi was just doing what he did because he was extremely bored from being an office worker on the surface, so he started a conflict between all the big families because he thought it would be exciting. I don't think I ever really understood half the things in Texhnolyze though.

Eli Mitchell
Eli Mitchell

what he says is basically this

meaning he started the war that accelerated the downfall of the "underground" for amusement
meaning he was a psychopath

Logan Cruz
Logan Cruz

This.
He felt like people underground were starting to become too peaceful and passive, and didn't want them to end up like the humans upstairs, so he instigated a war to liven them all up.

In the end it wouldn't matter though, not a single secondary stayed loyal to their leader and fucked it all up.

Owen Anderson
Owen Anderson

meaning he started the war that accelerated the downfall of the "underground" for amusement
No, he was doing it to SAVE the underground from falling into the same trap the people upstairs fell into.

Yoshi literally had 100% justice and good intentions in his heart.

Charles Thompson
Charles Thompson

The way the people "upstairs" were portrayed creeped me out.

Because that is basically boomer generation pensioners in any wealthy country.

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

kek

it is still debatable whether war to annihilation is better than boredom

also, given the dynamic loyalities of everyone and the two-class society, a conflict was a matter of time anyway

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

kek

Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

xD
lel
lol
:D
:)
hehe
*laughs*
Haha, funny.

choose what you prefer

Jaxon Sanders
Jaxon Sanders

Yep.
When I was watching it I actually thought to myself "If I was the MC in that situation I would go on a killing spree" Not trying to be edgy, lets be adults here. and then I realized exactly Yoshi's mindset with what he was doing.

It's weird how I completely misunderstood Yoshi and thought he was an asshole by time he died into realizing he was a legitmate good guy by the end.

You're thinking too extreme.
Three fractions fighting amongst themselves wouldn't lead to exiction, it would keep them just active enough to fight for survival and live on. The situation the people were in upstairs would inherently live to extinction though.

I don't understand how people can't understand this.

It's like letting someone sit in a chair and slowly erode to death or punching them in the face just to make them get up and become active again.

Leo Bell
Leo Bell

You're thinking too extreme.
we all know the results of the war: total annihilation of humanity downstairs.
It's like letting someone sit in a chair and slowly erode to death or punching them in the face just to make them get up and become active again.
this portrayal suggests that the world downstairs would become the world upstairs after time passed.

but there was absolutely no implication the world downstairs was one changing for the better.
we had a two-class society. remember the first two-three series when the prota was a prize fighter. countless people were living the way he lived. there was a broad lower class with no view of utopia.
the world downstairs already was hell, there was no rush to prevent it from becoming a paradise.

Cameron Garcia
Cameron Garcia

He would've made America great again...

Liam Barnes
Liam Barnes

we all know the results of the war: total annihilation of humanity downstairs.
Wrong. The factions have had been fighting for years, war doesn't inherently lead to extinction. We have tons of groups and countries still around today who have been in tons of wars.
this portrayal suggests that the world downstairs would become the world upstairs after time passed.
Yes, that's exactly it. Yoshi saw them becoming more passive and feared them going down the same road.
but there was absolutely no implication the world downstairs was one changing for the better.
Except for the fact they haven't had a "spectacle" in a very long time (This was mention multiple times) and they had people in charge like Oonishi who were actively trying to prevent fights as much as possible and doing a decent job. That's why Yoshi targeted and focused on him so much, because he knew Oonishi had the potential to keep everything in check and peaceful.
there was no rush to prevent it from becoming a paradise.
You don't call the fire department after your house is already ashes. The main factions not fighting was already sign enough things were beginning to change and Yoshi was afraid of it. No one is saying he's perfect, he had his own bias and fears from his life upstairs. Even if underground weren't going to become a paradise within the next couple of decades, he just wanted to keep the fire stoked as long as possible. You never know when it hits that point of being too late.

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

You have to put the pieces together but in episode 7 he expresses his frustration at the fact that nothing changes above and in episode 9 he says that he want the various groups to fight so that they can be made to believe in their own power. 7, 9 and 10 deal with Yoshii's motivation.

we all know the results of the war: total annihilation of humanity downstairs.
Yoshii failed and another group's plan to save mankind 'succeeded' instead, that doesn't change his motivation though.

John Wood
John Wood

Biggest question is, how was a office worker from a perfect peaceful world so competent in combat?

Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard

Well he was a texhnolyze so that probably helps.

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

Yoshi can be seen as a romantic hero or an anti-hero.

A grotesquely romantic hero, that is, because the romantification of War is something post-WW1 people seldom do.

Zachary Gonzalez
Zachary Gonzalez

That explains hand to hand, but not his skills with guns, explosives and general strategic thinking.

Connor Russell
Connor Russell

That's not Kano

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

She just wanted to make a beautiful and pure world for her daughter by any means necessary.

Jackson James
Jackson James

if he did hand-to-hand training, he couldve done marksmanship training the same way

yoshi looked fit and prepared for harsh circumstances all around

Dominic Campbell
Dominic Campbell

I thought that the software side helped with all of that as well? Except the strategic aspect of course.

John Jenkins
John Jenkins

Uchiha Madara did nothing wrong. He just tried to make everyone happy

Joseph Ortiz
Joseph Ortiz

What did he do wrong though?

Elijah Scott
Elijah Scott

His plan failed at the very least and we can't know how successful it would have been anyway.

Ryan Cook
Ryan Cook

Dindu nuffin, he was a good boy. He wuz goin to college, gettin a law degree and gettin his life on track. Then those rich Joestars dun murdered him. We need more money for dem mercenary stand users.

Grayson Gray
Grayson Gray

Literally the best character in this shitshow

Zachary Baker
Zachary Baker

tries to protect his home
gets fucked over by republic

Julian Rogers
Julian Rogers

CIS scum

Logan Thompson
Logan Thompson

I don't remember this scene, is it in the extended version?

Henry Perry
Henry Perry

ive no idea, i have not posted anything from my psychopass folder in 2 years.

Tyler Edwards
Tyler Edwards

S3 can't come fast enough

Jaxon Torres
Jaxon Torres

Literally nothing wrong

Jayden Garcia
Jayden Garcia

wait what? thats a thing? I've been waiting for a buddy to get into town to watch the movie

Brayden Bell
Brayden Bell

He did it wrong. Just wasted all that awesome skills and died like a bitch.

Ryder Diaz
Ryder Diaz

The movie isn't very good although Kogami going full operator was cool
And yeah there's an S3 in the works apparently.

Xavier Young
Xavier Young

52 replies
no griffith

shit thread

Luke James
Luke James

still no rat

Logan Sanchez
Logan Sanchez

His death was literally Shinji's fault. I don't understand why Yoshii didn't kill him or at least incapacitate him.

Jason Roberts
Jason Roberts

Only series villain I truely felt for.

an unjust end.

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

nothing wrong

Logan Howard
Logan Howard

why Yoshii didn't kill him
it would've jeopardized his plans.

Liam Gonzalez
Liam Gonzalez

Apart from the whole dropping a huge asteroid on earth business

Thomas Garcia
Thomas Garcia

AY FUCK SUZAKU

Zachary Cooper
Zachary Cooper

I'm waiting for the VN being released on Steam this September but never heard of S3. I really enjoyed the series so far but S2 was... well you know, so it's not like I'm waiting something really good for S3

Brayden Sanchez
Brayden Sanchez

he wasn't a villain, he was the hero we needed

Levi White
Levi White

Dindu nuffin wrong.

Ayden Parker
Ayden Parker

he was the man
Somebody like him was painfully missing in s2 onwards

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

Yeah, Kamui was a faggot.

tfw you will never have a long discussion with Makishima about philosophy and 20th century literature

Lincoln Baker
Lincoln Baker

He killed best girl you fucking edgelord.

Tyler Butler
Tyler Butler

He just didn't wanna be a servant no more
;_;

Connor Jenkins
Connor Jenkins

Lucifer doesn't exist. It's literally a misinterpretation of the bible

Carter Hall
Carter Hall

This is a picture of Lucifer that Gustave Dore did for an edition of Paradise Lost.
I was referring to Satan in Milton's poem, not in the bible.

Jordan Hall
Jordan Hall

He is referring to Lucifers depiction in Miltons Paradise Lost

Jack Nelson
Jack Nelson

Oh alright, my bad

Evan Baker
Evan Baker

what was makishima's alignment?

Gavin Cox
Gavin Cox

caring about human scum

I bet you also laugh at Squealer you fucking faggot

John Roberts
John Roberts

Based Treize

probably de only man i have ever loved

I wish he was still here ;__;

Adrian James
Adrian James

The real villains were the Class themselves. They drove people deemed inferior down to Lux or killed them and waited for the end to come in the city doing nothing.

Yoshii was a bit right in his mindset but could've gone about better by helping the Organo I think.

Doc just wanted to help people with Texhnolyzation.

Aiden Cruz
Aiden Cruz

he wanted people to be genuine and read books

Aiden Moore
Aiden Moore

so, neutral good?

Owen Campbell
Owen Campbell

the thread is "villains who did nothing wrong" not "villains who did nothing"

Angel Jenkins
Angel Jenkins

I got you senpai!

Kayden Wright
Kayden Wright

trying to fuck that little girl went to far man

Logan Sanders
Logan Sanders

Guts was a fucking faggot for leaving anyway.
It's all his fault.

Andrew Scott
Andrew Scott

Griffith pls go

Jason Robinson
Jason Robinson

villain

Adrian Brooks
Adrian Brooks

Then again
villain

Christopher Morgan
Christopher Morgan

he saw the Racon as his ideal humanity. He picked Shinji to be his champion to bring down the Organo/Class truce that was making Lux decadent just like above ground. When Shinji later takes down the Class he comments how right was Yoshi about him.

Michael Long
Michael Long

Sup Forums is full of internet trained survivalists. The world above didn't care about regulating anything, so he was free to get guns and learn about fighting

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

there aren't any villains in tex, the show makes a point of portraying all of its characters as products of circumstance. Kano was just the most repulsive of those products.

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

Kano is definitely a villian.

Benjamin Hughes
Benjamin Hughes

No, he genuinely believes that the world is his imagination.

Mason Flores
Mason Flores

He was the antagonist, but his objective was to ensure humanity's survival through extreme texhnolyzation.
The only questionably thing about him were his means.

Kevin Thomas
Kevin Thomas

He took out the organs of young girl
Forced her to be his slave
And then that led her to commit suicide

What world are you two living in?

Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

Because the girl was making the city insane and resisting.
She literally told Oshino to kill her because of that.
Ultimately there's no point to anything because Kano in the end is wrong, and humanity is doomed to extinction which is what happens, but he's pretty similar to Yoshii, he just has a far more radical approach.

Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

They weren't even human. They were mutie bonobo scum that turned the real humans of the story into rats.

Jayden Bennett
Jayden Bennett

tfw I have the soundtracks.
They're awesome.

Noah Howard
Noah Howard

I'd say that his method was crazy. They all turn into plants when they die too. They're not even human at that point for the most part, aside from Ran and Toyama.

Samuel Foster
Samuel Foster

Yeah well, that's what almost everyone else thinks too.
But the point is that the alternative is extinction, so even if he's a batshit insane person that thinks that extreme transhumanism is beautiful and admirable, it doesn't change the fact that even if you think it's an abomination, it's that or dying.

Ultimately, this "moral dilemma" gets resolved because it turns out he was just wrong and humanity dies anyway, but what he tried to do was to find an exit to this situation with an insane philosophy.

Julian Johnson
Julian Johnson

Agreed, but that may be partially biased due to how well fleshed out his character and backstory were

Christian Reed
Christian Reed

Doc just wanted to help people with Texhnolyzation.
I want to her to texhnolyze me.

Jordan Reed
Jordan Reed

I just hope this time we get an actual villain. Not this half ass villainry in which both villains from S1 and 2 were just trying to "change" the system.

Hopefully this time we get a real villain. A villain that just wants to wipe out all of humanity. No bullshit I'm doing this to help humanity, no this is for the greater good of humanity, no we've got to bring back freedom to the people, etc. I just want a plain villain that wants to wipe out all of humanity while turning their logic back on the Sybil such as the bad guy throwing statics as to how shitty humanity is and that history shows that humanity is just not worth saving no matter how much humanity advances in time and technology.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor

It was pretty much confirmed that Kogami will be the S3 villain, with a goal similar to Makishima's but less gruesome methods.

Jackson Turner
Jackson Turner

*yawn* welp disappointed already.

Owen Green
Owen Green

Honestly, in the end he was torn between his duty and doing the right thing. Not to mention emotional baggage from when he was younger. Now that I think about it Xam'd had really good character, shame it had shitty storytelling.

John Richardson
John Richardson

*yawn*

Connor Hill
Connor Hill

They were mutie bonobo scum that turned the real humans of the story into rats.

I'm pretty sure shows makes a point they were more like humans than current humans. I mean, in a sense they had spirit and ambition, but also trappings of humans of old. Then they walked right into it.

Joseph Brooks
Joseph Brooks

He was certainly the least dangerous JoJo villain.
Kinda unfair that he got the most horrifying end.

Blake Rivera
Blake Rivera

Not canon anymore.
Eradicated from history.

Noah Lee
Noah Lee

Doesn't matter, now part of the christian mythology.
Also, none of those figures and characters probably existed.

Adam Morris
Adam Morris

I was under the impression that the prequels were still canon, judging by how Lucas' edits to the original trilogy are in line with his "vision". Not to mention that we still don't have a good release of the original trilogy without the edits.

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

It's too late kog, Sup Forums has fallen so far now it's ridiculous at this point.

Wyatt Turner
Wyatt Turner

The prequels are of course canon, but there wasn't much about Grievous there.
The expanded material isn't.
Not that the new canon is better. It isn't.
But people who never read anything are damn sure Abram's New Hope-Rip-off is somehow superior to everything not OT.
I'm kinda annoyed how aggressive they get when confronted with the slightest critic of the new movie (critic that isn't just shitting that is).
Sorry, off-topic, but it crossed my mind again.

David Gray
David Gray

I rather have "kek" than the similar sounding meme-word.
Too bad the mods removed the word-filter. It should be changed to "stallion" like on that other site.

Julian Phillips
Julian Phillips

Posting something on-topic, this friendly chap here.
His only desire was to create a world where everyone is always happy, by using the gods themselves.
A staggering amount of villains seem to have a plan that involves putting everyone into a state of mind that's eternal bliss in some way.

Dylan Sanders
Dylan Sanders

Although, he's not a villain.
He's an innocent man who got unlucky with the origin, fell in love with a wrong girl and decided to fight a wrong man to impress her.

His only wrongdoing is having extremely shit luck. If it wasn't for him being so unlucky, he wouldn't become a cannibalistic serial killer.

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