How does giving up the ability to perform alchemy equivalent to bringing a...

Kayden Jones
Kayden Jones

How does giving up the ability to perform alchemy equivalent to bringing a person back from the dead?

Jack Thomas
Jack Thomas

questioning shounenshit logic

Jacob Parker
Jacob Parker

Because it was his entire livelihood and life's ambition. In a sense, he gave up his life to bring his brother back, and that is (in anime logic) equivalent exchange.

Dylan Adams
Dylan Adams

It has all to do with personal value in this case since we're dealing with more abstract shit and not just chemistry. Ed cherished his alchemy powers that dearly.

Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

I hate how this show made human transmutation forbidden and the domain of god and shit, when any alchemist with the proportions of substance and knowledge of chemistry could make humans or animals from scratch with some tweaking you could make actual immortal humans and do thing that would take genetic engineering technology years to do. I also realized Alchemist can literally create shit without needing tools that would revolutionize human construction ability big time.

Mason Morgan
Mason Morgan

Al was not conventionally dead. He was just behind the gate. Ed Sacrificed the Gate itself, which was possibly the most valuable thing he had, as the Truth says things like "Thats Right! You won!". When he does this Al comes back. I think it makes sense

Chase Miller
Chase Miller

Alchemy isn't real

Liam Butler
Liam Butler

His brother was never dead. The mind was transferred to the normal world since the beginning and the body, while malnourished, remained save as well. He only needed to give away something to get the body back from "truth" and combine it again with the soul.

If there is some inconsistency with the equivalent exchange, then why did the human transmutation in the beginning cost them an entire body+soul and an arm? Not only did they already had the necessary materials for the body, but the soul was a new creation by them, not something brought back from the afterlife, thus why the need for such huge payment?

Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard

It was punishment.

Carson Robinson
Carson Robinson

The show's actually terrible. I'm pretty sure most of the people who love it so much watched it when they were 12, its writing is worse than Naruto

Nathaniel Sanders
Nathaniel Sanders

They both payed for extra "knowledge" (why edward could clap to perform alchemy) without realizing it. Seems to just come when dealing with alchemy dealing with artificial life.

Jacob Wright
Jacob Wright

well you could say that the power of manipulating creation is equal to a life or something like that

but actually I think it was meant to be nonequivalent on purpose
because the theory of equivalent exchange was actually false
I'm pretty sure its implied that Ed realizes this at the end

Kevin Walker
Kevin Walker

Here's your (you)

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

If you were paying attention there was a running theme where the gate punished people for reaching beyond themselves. Arrogance was the crime of which they were guilty and the ultimate arrogance was thinking they could create life from death.
The transmutation never worked. The gate took and punished and gave them knowledge so that they could see the depth of their foolishness but never were the dead restored.
Edward not only gave back the knowledge of the gate but he gave up his own and the power of alchemy with it. He accepted his place as a human and needed nothing beyond that and other humans for his happiness. Humility was the answer. Remember that the greatest sin was pride and it makes sense that the god would frown on that particular failing most.

I've got a head canon that Pride was a failed homunculus, that the dwarf in the flask couldn't actually remove all of his pride, thus the Homunculus created was but a shadow of his own pride. Therefore the humunculus he created was itself a shadow and had to be housed in a vessel without pride which is an infant without awareness.

Christian Cruz
Christian Cruz

Al wasn't actually dead, that's why it worked.

Asher James
Asher James

I'm pretty sure "dead" implies "soul departed from the world". Al's soul was still present (bound to armor). Therefore, he was not brought back from the dead.

Grayson Russell
Grayson Russell

It's a traditional attitude, versus the more postmodern transhumanist one you seem to be spouting. Personally, I think there are things us humans should not get involved in, though you may feel free to disagree on that point.

Jack Richardson
Jack Richardson

Personally, I think there are things us humans should not get involved in
What a fag.

Isaiah Scott
Isaiah Scott

He only lost the ability to perform alchemy without a transmutation circle, an ability which he gained by killing someone.

Adrian Rogers
Adrian Rogers

[Tip]
No, if you paid attention, you'd know he'd lost the ability altogether.

Jaxson Jenkins
Jaxson Jenkins

Tell me the chemical composition of the human soul

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

I only remember that the last episode showed him trying to perform clap alchemy and showing he failed, and him saying that it means he can't do alchemy at all, but it makes more sense to me to assume he meant not doing clap-alchemy, though if in the manga it's more explicit then I guess I was wrong

Leo Lopez
Leo Lopez

If he said "I can't do alchemy at all", I would defer to his greater expertise and assume he's right, even if he doesn't show it explicitly.

Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez

souls are made up of feels

Adam Lopez
Adam Lopez

This would make a lot of sense to me, considering that he is still studying alchemy. I can't remember one single alchemist that does it solely on a theoretical basis.

Daniel Hill
Daniel Hill

Souls in the FMAverse, are basically just Philosopher's stones contained within Human vessels.

Wyatt Morris
Wyatt Morris

it's a derp commemeder thread
Sage, reported, called the Navy.

Lincoln Watson
Lincoln Watson

Makes perfect sense to me. Stripped of the ability to do transmutations on his own, he becomes the world's first theoretical alchemist.

I happen to be on good terms with the Armed Forces.

Eli Fisher
Eli Fisher

I love how in any thread he visits, I almost instantly lose interest in talking about the topic at hand.

Bentley Martinez
Bentley Martinez

Because it was convenient to the plot. Also Al wasn't actually dead, Arakawa just needed to wrap it up with the equivalent exchange whatever. No seriousl, it's shonen where everything is powered by hope and the friendship, looking deeper than that is nonsense.

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

Alchemy in FMA very much had a spiritual component to it. The Door can't be explained by science.

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

The show was very literal. Roy lost "his vision" for the future when he performed human alchemy, Ed lost his "life" to get Alphonse back.

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

I was 30 when FMA aired.

Alexander Walker
Alexander Walker

So why are you still browsing this board, gramps?

Jace Sanchez
Jace Sanchez

I also realized Alchemist can literally create shit without needing tools that would revolutionize human construction ability big time.
Street workers aren't big muscular guys but smart skinny ones that studies Alchemy now.
That would be pretty funny.

Caleb Morales
Caleb Morales

I think it's shown though that because alchemy is such a complex and specialized field of study, that there's still a need for ordinary manual labor because there aren't enough alchemists to do everything that needs to get done.

Disable AdBlock to view this page

Disable AdBlock to view this page