Does Strange Fake has the strongest set of servants in all of Fate franchise?

Aiden Cooper
Aiden Cooper

Does Strange Fake has the strongest set of servants in all of Fate franchise?

pic related Gil vs qt Lancer girl

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Logan Nelson
Logan Nelson

girl
I am the shiggy of my diggy

Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

Is strange fake connected to fate zero or it's a different universe?

Daniel Williams
Daniel Williams

13 servants in all

Gilgamesh - Has all the weapons of all time, and if using them all out this time around
Enkidu - Divine weapon of the gods who also has all weapons, can become all things, and has counter force powers.
Pale Rider - Literally disease incarnate, a concept of death might be impossible
Jack the Ripper - Undetectable, and can counter fully human servants somehow.
Richard the Lionheart - Anything he picks up is Excalibur, and can summon other servants to back him up on occasion.
Durmas - Can create fake NPs stronger than the originals
Zealot Hassan - Who has all the powers of all other Hassan. Summoned by Dead Apostle

Heracles - Was originally summoned as Archer, but was warped using Fuyuki mud and his hatred from life using a command spell to reject his divinity. He loses godhand and divinity, but has every other item from his life, also Avenger class buffs
Hippolyta - Queen of Amazons, belt can increase parameters enough to punch Heracles through a mountain
Prelati - Demon summoner, and Caster. Who was summoned by the still living Prelati.
Watcher - Most mysterious entity in the war, might be the counter force, if summoned normally its class would be gate-keeper. Enkidu says something dangerous was summoned, it shapeshifts into various figures its killed throughout history like Ahab, Orion, etc.
Berserker Edison who is a lion who controls machines, and runs off electricity? He was going to kill his master original, but whatever is currently posessing the Einzbern Homuncules at the moment, probably a divine spirit, scared him into contracting officially.
Hassan with EX presence concealment, nothing can be read on his stat sheet. Can be active without a master fully.

Takes place after the fifth war, route is unknown.

American magi constructed a grail based off the Fuyuki one. They knew it would be fucked up the first two or three times they did the ritual, so they just let it turn into Chaos at first as they'd figure it out.

Tyler Lopez
Tyler Lopez

Prelati
Wait, he summoned himself? That's fucking amazing.

Hassan
Will this be the one time we get a legitimate Assassin? Watch the war end without him killing a single Master.

Really hope Narita doesn't waste this much potential like Apocrypha did. Also, at this rate, it won't be done in the next 10 years.

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

Prelati seems to be getting along with Prelati at least

Prelati is like Zouken, with all the body shifting throughout generations. Except without the soul degeneration, since they're wearing the skin like a costume, with a zipper on the back somehow.

Grayson Cooper
Grayson Cooper

Enkidu, Richard, and Zealot have formed an alliance for now since they're rational types.

Alexander Russell
Alexander Russell

Oh shit, Prelati was the semen demon loli after all? That's god damn amazing.

Eli Barnes
Eli Barnes

Takes place after the fifth war
So this Gil is not connected to Fate zero?

Jeremiah Taylor
Jeremiah Taylor

True Assassin is there specifically to show Fake Assassin her place as a mere pretender to the name of Hassan i-Sabbah.

She was Hundred-Faced Hassan's primary rival for the position, but all she ever was able to do was imitate the Zabaniyas of the Hassans that came before her, sometimes correctly replicating them and sometimes just creating what she thought was the real thing (based only on rumor and speculation).

We don't know anything about True Assassin's backstory yet, but he's a stone cold motherfucker who is literally undetectable.

Easton Collins
Easton Collins

Does Ayaka and Saber has romance between each other?

Carter Howard
Carter Howard

implying he is not Cain

Eli Fisher
Eli Fisher

True Assassin is there specifically to show Fake Assassin her place as a mere pretender to the name of Hassan i-Sabbah.

She was Hundred-Faced Hassan's primary rival for the position, but all she ever was able to do was imitate the Zabaniyas of the Hassans that came before her, sometimes correctly replicating them and sometimes just creating what she thought was the real thing (based only on rumor and speculation).

That's your assumption

People during her age were jealous of her, which is why she didn't get the position. However other Hassan leaders throughout time are not jealous, and wonder why she didn't become leader

During FGO cursed hand hassan wonders how 4th Hassan could possibly become a Hassan leader with how weak they are, and the other girl would have been far better.

He'll fight her as a proper Hassan, maybe show her the ropes a bit, but not reject her nature.

Noah Johnson
Noah Johnson

She hates him, she doesn't want to be part of this war, and she freaks out when she seems blood.

There's a second Ayaka in Romania at the moment, so something is up.

Kevin Cook
Kevin Cook

Does Strange Fake has the strongest set of servants in all of Fate franchise?
Not only strongest, they're fucking over powered

Blake Mitchell
Blake Mitchell

Strange/Fake isn't connected to F/Z or F/SN at all, right? It's an alternative universe?

Joseph Taylor
Joseph Taylor

CCC still might have stronger servants in some ways for now.

Partially because they go beyond simply broken territory, and into some origin of life and all creation bullshit. Kingprotea alone is still basically the strongest summonable thing in existence.

Thomas Morris
Thomas Morris

Solomon incinerates them.

Jonathan Phillips
Jonathan Phillips

She's a Faker, she doesn't deserve the position and someone who is actually capable of originality like 4th War Hassan is far more deserving of the position.

Justin Wood
Justin Wood

She hates him, she doesn't want to be part of this war, and she freaks out when she seems blood.
Then how Richard deal with this cunt? Follow her all the time like some kind of stalker?

Wyatt Rogers
Wyatt Rogers

He doesn't have the memories from his F/Z or F/SN incarnation, it's a fresh summon.

Xavier Bennett
Xavier Bennett

You keep saying something, no knows how to answer exactly since you were answered already and took it some some odd direction.

"It takes place after the fifth war", dissect what that means to get your answer. The fifth war is mentioned more than a few times in F/S. Don't ask what route it was.

Grayson Martin
Grayson Martin

Solomon is probably too powerful for even Kingprotea to defeat. Just one of his ten NP rings unleashes an attack equivalent to a million excaliblasts at once that destroyed time completely and utterly, with the exception of special singularities.

Leo Hughes
Leo Hughes

She doesn't hate him, she's just annoyed by him.

Alexander Diaz
Alexander Diaz

Can somebody explain why almost every Assassin is Hasan? From my understanding, it's something to do with the word coming from his name, so the word "Assassin" alone is a relic that causes him to show up?

But in that case, why did neither Kirei and Tokiomi, or Zouken come up with specific relics to summon actual decent servants? Both Tokiomi and Zouken obviously have the power to come up with god-tier relics, hence Gil and Medusa. With Tokiomi I guess it can be explained away as him not wanting to give something powerful enough to get past Gil, but why would Zouken of all people settle with Hasan?

Justin Clark
Justin Clark

Nah, Solomon is on par with 9 tailed Tamamo according to Tamamo in her interlude. King Protea is around Amaterasu's level who is another level beyond 9 tailed Tamamo.

Alexander Allen
Alexander Allen

Fuck off with your cancer back to /fgog/ dumb FGOfag.

Josiah Collins
Josiah Collins

Fuyuki grail was set up so that it forced any Assassin summoning to be Hassan originally

Other people can qualify, but the legitimate grail is only supposed to allow Hassan. Because those are the only Assasins that the three families could guarantee are still legitimate heroes, and because the Assassin class was meant to lose in the first place. Only the three knight classes were supposed to win.

Assassins other than Hassan are usually closer to anti-heroes, they are not true heroes. The grail was originally set up to limit it so only true heroes could be summoned, before it was warped.

Isaac Barnes
Isaac Barnes

I guess we know where Origin-boosted Servants are in the power scale, then. I guess that's what Grand Servants must be in general.

David Flores
David Flores

Okay, thanks senpai. That actually makes sense. I really wish that more of this shit was translated so I could read the actual explanations myself.

Connor Davis
Connor Davis

How long until Nasu finally lets someone summon Jesus? We already have artifacts for him so they don't even need to asspull one.

Hudson Morgan
Hudson Morgan

link for raw please

Carson White
Carson White

Is it me or this Gil looks a bit older compared to his Zero and F/SN counterpart?

Alexander Mitchell
Alexander Mitchell

As a reminder as well, only the Fuyuki war had this rule in place, that hassan is the one that has to be summoned.

Different grail wars have different rules.

Its not a contradiction when other assassins are summoned in other contests. Other heroes could qualify from the start as that class, but in the Fuyuki contest it was supposed to limit it harshly.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

so far I can only find chink translations

http://www.dm5.com/manhua-fate-strange-fake/

Sebastian Morris
Sebastian Morris

None of the supposed artifacts of Jesus are real, user. They're all fakes that were created centuries ago. Jesus's real shawl, the real Lance of Longinus, and the grail from which he drank were either lost to the decay of time or destroyed in the last 2,000 years.

Lincoln Jackson
Lincoln Jackson

doesn't matter
arigatou

Isaiah Russell
Isaiah Russell

He pretty obviously means in the franchise, Martha and several other FGO Servants reference Jesus in their profiles.

Jacob Harris
Jacob Harris

People during her age were jealous of her, which is why she didn't get the position.
They were jealous, but more than that they didn't like the idea of her extremism being coupled with so much power. Who knows, they might have been much more welcome to the idea of seeing her as Hassan if she wasn't quite so much of a fanatic.

Connor Johnson
Connor Johnson

oh right

Connor Hill
Connor Hill

They really should have made evil Jesus show up at the end of every war with the grail. You can't have a war with ancient characters being resurrected to fight for something called the holy grail and not include Jesus.

Bentley Sullivan
Bentley Sullivan

During FGO cursed hand hassan wonders how 4th Hassan could possibly become a Hassan leader with how weak they are, and the other girl would have been far better.

That's rich coming from Cursed Arm Hassan.

He'd get his ass destroyed by Hundred-Faced Hassan because there's no way he can handle 100 highly skilled killing machines at once, and his Noble Phantasm isn't suited for fighting groups of enemies either.

Parker White
Parker White

Literally the worst character in the series.

Hudson Cooper
Hudson Cooper

Evil Jesus

This is always a damn stupid idea. Buhhda is immune to all six billion curses in the world, Gilgamesh is as well, you think Jesus isn't as well when him taking all sins upon him and overcoming them all is literally part of his lore? Part of his story is literally that he already overcome the world and all evils long ago.

Even people who merely met Jesus in lore gained passive divinity, even those people gained the ability to overcome sin and have indomitable will. You think Jesus himself isn't ten times more broken than that? Jesus isn't evil, he's not Avenger either, he's the perfect holy martyr as an entire point.

If Fate gets anything right at all, then he would be portrayed somewhat like Karna if he's portrayed correctly. Except a bit more passionate about things like salvation.

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

Is Richard a True saber?

Aiden Diaz
Aiden Diaz

Yes, there isn't a Fake Saber in the Fake Holy Grail War because reasons

So don't lump him in with those faggot-ass fakers, Richard is the real fuckin deal, right down to the marrow of his bones

Aaron Cooper
Aaron Cooper

The Saber class bridges the Fake and True wars. Rick is the only Saber, so calling him Fake Saber or True Saber is sort of redundant and misleading.

Isaiah Mitchell
Isaiah Mitchell

Gil is stated to have been summoned two times already, so the 4th and 5th war happened.

Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

magnificent

Asher Smith
Asher Smith

I was just confused because user listed his name along with the fake servants.

Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

I love it when Gil is going all out.

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

How have there been so many spinoffs but we still haven't gotten a situation where Saber has to fight a Saberclone? Mordred and Saber need to have a rematch

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

why the manga art of strange fake is so good compared to other fates?

Juan Hughes
Juan Hughes

Because Narita is actually skilled when it comes to write a chaotic story involving multiple characters. And this is exactly what F/SF is.

Jaxson Garcia
Jaxson Garcia

Grudge matches are like one of the few things that Fate hasn't really given much spotlight up to this point

Even though they're an incredible idea, only Lancelot vs. Saber has really happened

Wyatt Stewart
Wyatt Stewart

Gilgamesh vs Heracles is going to happen user, and Heracles seems to be pretty pissed off.

Thomas Wright
Thomas Wright

We might get a proper Hippolyta vs. Alcides grudge match actually, and that could be very interesting.

Aiden Perez
Aiden Perez

Besides jesus is kind of considered the holy grail so there's no point if he's summoned

Lucas Thompson
Lucas Thompson

Why is Hippolyta the coolest Rider in the series up to this point?

She rides a horse, uses a bow and arrow, punches shit, and IIRC she must have a spear or sword as well

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

why dont they just summon santa and ask for the holy grail for christmas?

Angel Morris
Angel Morris

the only good fate is Zero and strange fake the rest are utter shit.

Evan Hill
Evan Hill

It's pretty good but HF manga is better.

Hunter Jackson
Hunter Jackson

"Heracles is super de duper mad about Ilya and is getting his revenge now!!! SUck it Gil!", is nothing but a fan theory.

Heracles doesn't remember Ilya, isn't angry, and refuses to attack Gil's master which is the reason that Heracles master warps him with grail mud.

Heracles master took away his morality and created a bitter hate machine because he just wanted a death machine who would kill everyone. He drove Heracles mad by forcing him to remember the hatred from his life when Hera made him kill his own children, not Ilya. Now he hates divine things supposedly.

Luis Collins
Luis Collins

You called ?

Evan Williams
Evan Williams

does narita consult to nasu when it comes to the story?

Cameron Nguyen
Cameron Nguyen

Either disease incarnate, or one of the riders of the apocalypse

Juan Rogers
Juan Rogers

Yes, all guest writers do.

Alexander Baker
Alexander Baker

He said that only the weaks and "mindless beast" would be caught by GoB when he faced Gil. Maybe it's just fan service, or he recalled something about their fight.

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

Yes

He also notes at the end of each volume how he's always losing his mind over Nasu's choices, both coming and going. Nasu keeps telling him to go further with it, Narita said its crazy that Enkidu is so powerful, Nasu tells him to calm down.

Narita says that Nasu may have used one of his ideas he was considering in FGO, like Nasu predicted him too quickly. Nasu is a genius when it comes to chuuni bullshit, he can see what you're going to do before you do it.

Jeremiah Perry
Jeremiah Perry

It's pretty good but HF manga is better.
The heaven's feel manga art is not as good as strange fake's in my opinion.

Carson Clark
Carson Clark

Not after the most recent chapter. They couldn't make an exposition dump look more interesting than "heads from different angles". Which begs the question of how they're going to handle some of the stuff later in the route

Justin Watson
Justin Watson

PEPE SERVANT WHEN?!

William Wood
William Wood

Talking about the art style/quality specifically. They're both pretty good in that regard anyway.

Owen Hernandez
Owen Hernandez

and created a bitter hate machine
It´s herakles it won´t last for long.

Austin Foster
Austin Foster

Yeah, what the fuck is up with Enkidu?

Presence Detection and the self-modification thing are both cool and powerful on their own, but Enkidu having his own fucking Gate of Babylon is absurd and has not even the slightest basis in the myth.

Asher Scott
Asher Scott

His master shoved a mana crystal inside of him that will power him for a month straight.

Its made from 25,000 human souls.

Carter Sullivan
Carter Sullivan

Read CCC, he's had this ability for ages.

https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/entry-111-someone-elses-dream/

Him creating weapons is a subset of his transformation. He's a weapon of the gods made out of clay, he can repurpose his clay into any form or shape he chooses, which is the basis for his abilities.

Nathan Morris
Nathan Morris

I wish we would get more Arthurian knights.

I want Escanor to show up so he can have a sunny d off with Gawain

or ascended Galahad that just has his own holy grail included.

Joseph White
Joseph White

It has about as much basis as Gilgamesh being a blonde dude in golden plate armor who bombards people with treasures fired from a magical wormhole.

Grayson Nelson
Grayson Nelson

Galahad is in FGO

He already returned the grail to heaven, in exchange for one request. His request is that he chooses when he dies.

Matthew Harris
Matthew Harris

Galahad is already in F/GO, he's actually not all that strong compared to the rest of the round table, he just has A++ defensive capabilities.

Yeah okay sure Enkidu being a clay-based Unlimited Blade Works makes tons of sense

Who else is gonna get Unlimited Blade Works except better as an ability? We've already got half a dozen by now.

Austin White
Austin White

Narita
skilled

Pick one. DRRR was pure shit.

Noah Jackson
Noah Jackson

Richard the Lionheart - Anything he picks up is Excalibur
does Richard's excalibur has the same quality like the one with arthuria's?

and based with this image I guess he can make avalon as well.

Logan Robinson
Logan Robinson

did he choose to die the day Saber ended up burning her kingdom to the ground?

John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

It's nowhere near as strong as the real Excalibur.

Ethan Scott
Ethan Scott

Also the true holy grail doesn't grant endless greed and wishes without heed of morality or deserving.

True holy grail does "something", but not wishes. Grails that grant greed without question are divergent of the chalice of the whore of babylon.

True holy grail might grand immortality or something.

He's not actually that strong

Current form is just demi-servant, meaning that even someone using a fraction of his true power has beaten Lancelot and Arthuria a few times already in the story, and Mashu is still getting stronger and learning how to use his power, her power is growing.

Saber just assumed he died like the others on that day.

Really he died walking back to Camelot, because a bunch of people from heaven came down to tell him he was the greatest, and he said "Well, its not getting better than this" and chose to die.

Ryder Cruz
Ryder Cruz

I wish we would get more Arthurian knights.
nah, I want more European kings.

Kayden Murphy
Kayden Murphy

it seems that in this war
wait, he couldn't in f/z and f/sn ?
Also I thought he was a Gil without memories like said so how does he know about the other wars?

Isaiah Perry
Isaiah Perry

It was pretty obvious even back in the first volume. I don't know why some people thought it wasn't him.

Jaxson Rogers
Jaxson Rogers

Mashu can beat Lancelot and Saber Alter because she has Galahad's shield, which is B+++ rank and surpasses even Excalibur's power with its sheer defensive value.

She's getting stronger, but it's still the NP that is powerful, not her or Galahad.

Same could be argued of Arturia, though.

Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

Does that mean if he grabs his dick it becomes excalibur?

Jacob Johnson
Jacob Johnson

Only if he regards it as a weapon.

Sebastian James
Sebastian James

would a condom become avalon?

Jordan Morales
Jordan Morales

Either the condom or the vagina of the woman he's boning.

Or ass.

Or mouth/throat, maybe?

Levi Hall
Levi Hall

He's usually king of arrogance, so he always putz around and does nothing, and loses because he's arrogant. Nasu says that if he was ever serious he would be a dreaded servant killer without question however. Him being arrogant is supposed to be the counter to him being broken as shit.

Enkidu being summoned was enough to get him serious off the bat.

Its a war where they can rationalize him using his full power rather than fucking around like usual

He starts off the fight against Enkidu by using Ea, and only goes up from there.

Andrew Richardson
Andrew Richardson

no one can defeat Gil without plot armor.

Adam Myers
Adam Myers

All of Fate's battles can be summed up as

welp I'm gonna lose if I don't use my NP against this guy who's more skilled/stronger/faster than me
trump card with an absurdly complex chuuni name go!
Oh no the other guy had another trump card that beats mine!
good thing I have this trump card that beats trump cards!

Nothing matters except noble phantasms. It's all so fucking hollow after you realize it.

Daniel Wood
Daniel Wood

Guess I should give up hope on ever seeing a normal Heracles in a grail war

Because if I keep hoping, he'll probably end up genderbent or something stupid the next time he shows up

Levi Garcia
Levi Garcia

genderbent
he doesn't know about the 3 years Heracles spent as a woman in the myth

Alexander Bell
Alexander Bell

blonde dyed Ayaka
FUCKING WHY?! THE BLACK HAIR IS SO MUCH BETTER!

Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

He was normal Heracles this time, a normal and good Archer.

His master was a dickbag though, and didn't like having a hero with so many morals.

Matthew Reed
Matthew Reed

It's okay user, Hippolyta is gonna beat the evil out of Alcides with her bare hands if she has to.

I wonder who Hippolyta's master is, and why he/she is letting her run so rampant, anyways.

Dominic Martin
Dominic Martin

nose
OYYYYYY VEYYYYYYYY

Jose Peterson
Jose Peterson

The real problem is that none of the mages generally have the intelligence to actually bothering to do some fucking research because they're all retarded.
The point of the servants hiding their NP is so that noone can know who they are and figure out a weakness from that. Then they go right ahead and don't even bother exploiting the weaknesses of any summoned heroes.

Jaxon Taylor
Jaxon Taylor

thinking fate-powerlevels are dependenton anything other than how much crystal meth Nasu's smoked

Samuel Cox
Samuel Cox

Tell me about Hercules why does he wear a towel mask?

Christian Morris
Christian Morris

To hide his scar, do you know how get got those?Why so serious?

Luis Morgan
Luis Morgan

This isn't DBZ after all; Stats are a thing, skills are a thing, strategy is a thing, skill in arms is a thing, NP are a thing, everything is a thing rather than being linear "My power level is 2000 and yours is 1800, so I win" like some people seem to want.

There are a thousand ways to get a chance upon the opponent because of this. If he's better than you in stats, then use strategy or NP instead. If he has a better NP, then don't make it a contest of NP, figure out a way around him.

Anyone can beat anyone situationally or depending on how they use their abilities.

Levi Edwards
Levi Edwards

Gilgamesh can't defeat anyone without plot power.

Isaiah Hall
Isaiah Hall

If it was pulled off would he die?

Ethan Lee
Ethan Lee

Man you're so right.

Apocrypha was the fucking worst about it.

You had two servants whose entire schtick was having legendary weak points in their super armor - Achilles and Siegfried. Them revealing their identity by using a NP would be a risky move because of their well known legends and weaknesses.

Siegfried dies before his identity can be revealed and that weak point ever comes into play (it still doesn't matter because it never comes up for Sieg).

And Achilles' identity is instantly revealed when Chiron recognizes him despite him never using a NP, and Chiron does target his heel at first, but then drops it and nobody ever aims for it again because Chiron doesn't actually need to due to being divine, they have their fight, and then Achilles dies saving Atalanta in a situation that had nothing to do with his heel.

So, yeah, I'm mad.

Jeremiah Martinez
Jeremiah Martinez

BLACK HAIR
Looks brown desu.

Easton Cooper
Easton Cooper

no probably let the avenger par tof him dominate and he would be a terminator

Brody Reed
Brody Reed

he's a big guy

Carter Howard
Carter Howard

His wife was jealous.
She wanted that he only loves her.
So she put a loves potion on his favorite shirt.
She didn´t know it was a basically acid.
It destroyed herkules skin and his wife killed herself.

Lucas Lewis
Lucas Lewis

Are the women in Greece so crazy?

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

Was it A-rank acid?

Alexander Howard
Alexander Howard

She was tricked into it by a dying centaur whom Heracles had killed. In some variations, it was Hera who convinced her that Heracles was cheating on her.

But yes, the moral of the story is that even the greatest man can be destroyed if you target his loved ones.

Isaiah Lewis
Isaiah Lewis

he doesn't know about the 3 years Heracles spent as a woman in the myth
Was that also includet in his 12 labours?

David Russell
David Russell

Hydra blood, so probably A++ at a minimum

Bentley Lee
Bentley Lee

His master was a dickbag though, and didn't like having a hero with so many morals.

No, he asked him if killing loli Master was okay with him (Gil and Pale Rider Masters are little girls) since it's the easiest way to deal with powerful/dagerous Servants, and he said no. That's why he turned him into evil Towel Man.

Jaxson Howard
Jaxson Howard

it was Hera
That´s basically his whole story

Logan Torres
Logan Torres

No, it was a separate penance for killing a friend during a fit of madness sent by Hera, post 12 labors.

Ryder Mitchell
Ryder Mitchell

remember kids when you are a hero you must not have a family

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

Also, she legit thought it was just a potion that would make him have only eyes for her. Poor girl was just a bit gullible. Heracles forgave her; he probably loved her for her emotional and mental purity in the first place.

Angel Clark
Angel Clark

Scans never.

Angel Reed
Angel Reed

Any guess for his Ex np?
Could it be about him holding the sky.
or him breaking the unbreaking chains of Prometheus.
Or him killing as the only mortal the giants.

Evan Howard
Evan Howard

Since it's Alcides and not Heracles, it has to have something to do with his human side. All those feats are very divine in nature.

Xavier King
Xavier King

Will a Ruler show up in this fate?

David Myers
David Myers

Probably another sublimation.

Josiah Nelson
Josiah Nelson

Not as far as it has been indicated.

James Phillips
James Phillips

All of his Labor are in the King's Order NP. His EX NP must be something else.

No Ruler yet, but Avenger is stated to take part in this war.

Wyatt Myers
Wyatt Myers

Maybe. In the first volume it was brought up as a possibility.

Ayden Nelson
Ayden Nelson

Who the fuck is his master?

...Are they Jewish souls?

Dominic Smith
Dominic Smith

His EX NP must be something else.
Didn´t Archer mentioned that herkuled tamed the wildnature for humanity?

Andrew Scott
Andrew Scott

What in the fuck is Type-MOON's boner with Francois Prelati?

Dude was a fucking hack who robbed Gilles de Rais blind and probably got fucked in the ass by him as well.

But here he is, a super op mage who can summon himself as a servant?

I usually like how they take historical/mythical figures and spin them into crazy shit because it's usually not all that far out - but this Prelati shit is pandering.

inb4 Prelati was a semen demon loli before tho

Even fucking worse because irl Prelati and Gilles de Rais raped and murdered children on a regular basis - to be portrayed as a semen demon loli is just tone deaf awful.

Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

Some James Bond villain with weird eyes and looted tech from Medea's original master in FSN.

Elijah Perry
Elijah Perry

This guy

Grayson Peterson
Grayson Peterson

implying a semen demon loli can't rape and murder children on a regular basis

Brody Cook
Brody Cook

doesn't even have the Hero of Heroes

Mason Gray
Mason Gray

What's the difference between True Hassan and Jack the Ripper in Strange Fake?

Don't they have basically the same abilities?

Dominic Jackson
Dominic Jackson

Jack is a shapeshifter. Hassan is so good at hiding he literally becomes the darkness.

John Parker
John Parker

So Jack doesn't have any presence concealment? Can't other servants tell he's a servant?
becomes the darkness
Like Li Shuwen basically?

What do we know about their personalities so far? They seem pretty interesting

Joseph Richardson
Joseph Richardson

I hope they don't fuck up strange fake it has a potential to surpass zero.

Xavier Lee
Xavier Lee

Avenger
I know people were thinking Dumas would summon Dantes, but couldn't that have been referring to Heracles's double class?

Julian Howard
Julian Howard

No to much of a coincident

Benjamin Hall
Benjamin Hall

No, Narita said he would appear in F/GO first, and we have Manjew, Jeanne Alter and Dantes as Avenger for now.

Daniel Wood
Daniel Wood

yes.

Manga vol.1 and vol.2 was scanned

Novel only vol.1 and vol.2 was scanned but no the vol.3

Easton Wood
Easton Wood

Just waiting for odyseus to wander in

Christopher Russell
Christopher Russell

probably a divine spirit
please everybody except her.

Austin Powell
Austin Powell

TM is saving that for when Shinji gets added to GO.

David Hughes
David Hughes

Enkidu, Richard, and Zealot have formed an alliance
What about Gil?

Benjamin Baker
Benjamin Baker

I chortled.

Owen Long
Owen Long

Is there any chance of Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake? If there is, I might pick it up.

Ayden Baker
Ayden Baker

Getting BTFO'd by everybody.

Jaxson Morris
Jaxson Morris

No, and thank fuck for that.

Nicholas Mitchell
Nicholas Mitchell

Seriously?

Isaiah Gonzalez
Isaiah Gonzalez

Is there any chance of Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake?
Fuck No, I might drop it if she did.

Austin Torres
Austin Torres

Yes. Trust me on this, my dad is Japan.

Brandon Johnson
Brandon Johnson

Emiya get referenced by Dumas.

Owen King
Owen King

Galahad is not in FGO. Mashu is a demi servant and she's not even using his power correctly.

Yet she has already beaten powerhouses.

David Wood
David Wood

Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake
Fuck that. It's already bad enough that Gil is in there, adding TM's cashcow Takeuchi waifu and Nasu's super special boring "cool" guy OF servant would only make everything worse.

Josiah Murphy
Josiah Murphy

CCC is still higher on powerlevel tierlist on the True Route.

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

W8 wut?

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

Archer is much better than Gilgamesh.

Gil and Enkidu are easily the worst part of F/SF. Enkidu is a shit character that sucks Gil's cock way too much. Everyone else is better.

Ian Howard
Ian Howard

He's yet to win a single fight, everybody he matches up against either counters his swordspam and laughs at him before legging it, or fights him off.

James Parker
James Parker

How so?

Ayden Allen
Ayden Allen

Solomon is shit. Can't even beat Amaterasu

Benjamin Diaz
Benjamin Diaz

People seriously hate Gilgamesh on this board and on /vg/ for various reason, they get off to hating him.

So they get off on stating how he's absolutely shit beaten out of him dead in the water fucked over by everyone.

In reality, no actual damage so far, he's just annoyed. He's fought twice so far, one was a draw, and the second was interrupted with no damage on either side.

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

Does anybody have that old list of servants?
It'd probably be nearly impossible to make a big chart now that would actually be able to show each servant/iteration/identity, what with all the fluff from GO and dual-groups from the novels.

Gavin James
Gavin James

summoned as a fake
cockblocked by Birthday Ghost
BTFO'd by Towelman
NTR'd by Rick

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

not being able to solo one of the strongest beings in Nasuverse means he's shit
Also, other heavenly pantheons when?

Sebastian Stewart
Sebastian Stewart

Sakura clones are technically servants under the mooncell system, Saver still exists, your playable servant gets an origin body upgrade (making Gil and Caster stronger than any servant in SF), and Gawain + Li Shuwen are still fucking broken pieces of absurd shit, and Shiki is still knocking about iirc.

Jack Carter
Jack Carter

Dumas is white. What the fuck.

Nathaniel Mitchell
Nathaniel Mitchell

Amaterasu is not even type level.

Jayden Ortiz
Jayden Ortiz

Have you seen CCC true route? Your servant has to be buffed to the point of controlling distance between the entire galaxy, is faster than light speed, controls time and space, to just be able to complete with the last two bosses at all.

One monster from CCC is strong enough to destroy stars, and another rules over three thousand worlds potentially.

Its what happens when you end up fighting the Mooncell itself, or fighting something that wishes upon the Mooncell to become all powerful basically.

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

The most powerful being on earth has only the slimmest chance of beating Amaterasu on her double home turf, the Moon.

Isaac Young
Isaac Young

Heracles shattered his armor with a normalfag arrow

Jacob Evans
Jacob Evans

Nine Tailed Tamamo is capable of beating True Demon Kiara, who IS type level.

Amaterasu is stronger than both of them to the point that neither would stand a chance against her.

Levi Cook
Levi Cook

Amaterasu is pretty mid tier for a goddess anywhere but the Moon Cell, isn't she?

And even then, Types and Primordial Demons should exceed them.

Still dumb to say a Grand Servant is weak for not being on her level though.

There's also 100+ other servants besides those.

Grayson Hill
Grayson Hill

He got cockblocked in his fight with Enkidu, and he was reduced to yelling like a toddler in his fight against True Archer.

James Martinez
James Martinez

Sakura clones are technically servants under the mooncell system

Alter Egos are technically servants under any system, drama CD confirms they're recorded in the throne even if they're unlikely to be summoned in other world lines due to how its hard to find a catalyst for that.

They're summonable in FGO eventually already confirmed.

Oliver Bell
Oliver Bell

Top kek, what faggot.

Isaac Campbell
Isaac Campbell

Didn't damage him though, that's kind of the purpose of armor. Its what stands between you and being damaged.

Also he only got his gauntlet shattered by protecting Tine if I remember. He perceived where the arrow would aim, and put his hand out so his master wouldn't be hurt.

Jeremiah Gray
Jeremiah Gray

Kiara was sabotaged by the nature of how Hans had her ascend, though. It's explicitly stated none of the servants would EVER beat her if she hadn't been fucked her over.

Dominic Cook
Dominic Cook

CCCfag is here
That never happens. They do move faster than light but they never control galaxies and there are no star busting feats, literally hyperbole.

You've been BTFO a million times in both Sup Forums and /fgog/ CCCfag, stop spreading your headcanon

Dylan Barnes
Dylan Barnes

normalfag arrow
I don't get it.

Angel Roberts
Angel Roberts

Not only that, he talks like a ghetto nigger.

David Taylor
David Taylor

Saber swinging unsheathed Excalibur was not able to penetrate Gil's armor even with a dozen blows, and unsheathed Excalibur is a 1000 to Invisible Air's 30 on the sword sharpness and power rating scale.

Justin Hughes
Justin Hughes

/fgog/
Fuck off crossboarder. Nobody cares about your general.

Adrian Sullivan
Adrian Sullivan

only a normal arrow shot from 20 km and at a supersonic speed

John Adams
John Adams

creates fake NP's stronger than originals

He's like Shirou's/Archer's wet dream.

mfw he learns to make a drill powerful enough to escape being a Counter Guardian

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

Except that's not what it says?

It says Berserker Arcueid had to be nerfed to a point where Amaterasu would stand a chance.

It's not even full powered Arcueid(and obviously not Archetype Earth) she can't even use Ultimate One properly and she has been downgraded from planet to god

Sebastian Rogers
Sebastian Rogers

Not that guy but Caster does reduce the distance between galaxies in digital space to zero at one point after she's sent to other side of one.

James Brown
James Brown

Couldn't Caster just out swordspam Gil?

Adam Morris
Adam Morris

it uses a lot of stamina to create the a noble phantasm each time it it not as easy like what emiya do

Alexander Hall
Alexander Hall

Is the book farther along than the manga?

Adam Nguyen
Adam Nguyen

Also he only got his gauntlet shattered by protecting Tine if I remember. He perceived where the arrow would aim, and put his hand out so his master wouldn't be hurt.
Gil
Giving a fuck about his master
????

Jose Roberts
Jose Roberts

It's literally said she flies.

The rest is Casko speaking weird about love and all her moe garbage that she loves to spout.

Michael Morris
Michael Morris

He's more power over number compared to them.

So he can make stronk NP copies, but he can't swordspam or generate new ones on the fly.

It's a fair tradeoff tbqh

Jace Wright
Jace Wright

she is from the old civilisation who guarded the country where babylon was she is like his subjects and a king protect his people (sometime)

Hudson Jackson
Hudson Jackson

He doesn't make new shit very fast. Team Justice & Blow is getting on quality over quantity instead.

Nicholas Ramirez
Nicholas Ramirez

She flies after having reduced the distance to zero, yes.

The moe love garbage was just her explanation for how she pulled it off.

Luis Fisher
Luis Fisher

Gil didn't use EA against archer Herc.

Gavin Butler
Gavin Butler

He's a father figure for Tine, he likes kids officially as shown in Ataraxia. Before you bring up basement orphans, that was just Kotomine's side project, Gil is confirmed to have spent the time between wars in child form. Even if someone didn't like this fact, officially Gil likes and is popular with kids. He's also very good with most of his masters officially.

Gilgamesh is a good master with Kotomine, Tine, Hakuno; people give him shit but he's very accommodating as long as you're not a pussy, like Tokiomi.

He tells Tine that its fine if she acts like a child and foolish in front of him, she's permitted to make mistakes and he'll cover for her.

He treats her very well

Caleb Clark
Caleb Clark

Is CCC good?
I am still studying japanese, but it looks so good.
Is it hard or are you a native?

Dylan Jackson
Dylan Jackson

there is a english version

Benjamin Bell
Benjamin Bell

Uh, no. Berserker Arc is so weak that even Caster can beat her.

What Nasu said in that extra material was that normal Arc - 30% Arc - would only have the slimmest of chances of beating Amaterasu. That means, even if she went all out and unleashed 100% of her power, she would still only have middling odds of winning.

Jordan Rodriguez
Jordan Rodriguez

protecting brown loli
This Gil is a good guy

Connor Howard
Connor Howard

Is there any group translating this as of now ?

Chase Lewis
Chase Lewis

Herc encouraged him to use it and Gil tried to play it cool, Herc said it was his last chance but since he didn't want to use EA then we has going to die a fool.

Then Rider appeared out of nowhere to save Gil's ass

Josiah Price
Josiah Price

Yeah, and he made himself look like a moronic manchild because of it.

Owen Mitchell
Owen Mitchell

/r9k/

Robert Russell
Robert Russell

It's probably Nasu's best written story in terms of the prose and execution of the themes, but whether or not you'll like it is subjective.

If you wanna see a sci-fantasy love story (in the truest and strangest sense possible) by him, go for it.

Juan Hill
Juan Hill

Only F/SN Gil was the shitty one, but people still can't forgive him for even that much.

The entire irony is that he's in the reverse position from Heracles now, where Gil is protecting his loli, and Heracles is trying to kill her.

Jordan Myers
Jordan Myers

slimmest chances

user it's backwards, the materials say that Arcueid was nerfed to a level where Amaterasu might stand a chance.

The talk about % is your headcanon, the entry is about white Berserker

Camden Phillips
Camden Phillips

he was reduced to yelling like a toddler in his fight against True Archer.
Elaborate

Jaxson Brooks
Jaxson Brooks

Give me raws or even Chinese version and I can give it a try.

Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

No it's not, the kanji used in that specific bit of trivia specifically refers to 30% Arceuid.

Listen to yourself. Berserker Arceuid is so weak she can't even win a Grail War. How could she possibly give Amaterasu a hard time?

Andrew Turner
Andrew Turner

Gil swordspams
Archer easily counters
Gil swordspams hard
Archer counters and shatters Gil's armour with a normal arrow
Gil tries to talk tough
Archer calls him a little bitch
Gil gets pissy

Tyler Garcia
Tyler Garcia

He started ranting like a pathetic bitch, remember his fight against Shirou when Shirou mocked him and called him useless with a weapon?

Well Berserker told him that GoB was garbage and nobody decent would give a shit about it

Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

He was just holding back because herc don't deserve to see its power.

Jason Brown
Jason Brown

This is what delusional CCCfags keep telling themselves.

David Russell
David Russell

You wouldn't protect this delicious brown loli ?

Grayson Ramirez
Grayson Ramirez

Various Indian heroes probably could but that's only because indian mythology is chuuni as fuck

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

No there isn't

Fuck, I'll try it but is it hard to read?

Ian Bell
Ian Bell

Maybe not his best story overall. But I'm pretty he himself said it was his best Fate story.

Luis Sanchez
Luis Sanchez

You're confusing things to shift the meaning in a way where you seem like you're trying to slide something past here.

Only his gauntlet broke, and that was before he sword-spammed at all. The only piece of his armor that broke was before the fight started.

Archer was never even aiming at Gil in the first place, he was always aiming at Tine. Gilgamesh didn't sword spam and then lose out as his armor broke, as he was now losing badly. You shifted his armor breaking to the bottom of the list, and made it sound like all of his armor broke, to make it sound like he's getting fucked up as the fight goes on.

Wyatt Hall
Wyatt Hall

I'm not going to parrot all day here, it doesn't matter if it's berserker or 30%. The entry says Arcueid was nerfed to a level where Amaterasu might stand a chance.

30% arc is her nor even trying.

Justin Jenkins
Justin Jenkins

Holy shit I wanna FSF to get animated just to see Gil crying like a baby while getting btfo by Herc.

This shit is gold.

Charles Cruz
Charles Cruz

I'm not a CCCfag m8

Nasu was an amateur when he wrote pretty much all his major works, and it shows. His later stuff has gotten a bit better, and CCC just happens to be the peak of the pile of mediocrity that is his prose.

Jaxon Phillips
Jaxon Phillips

You don't know jack shit about F/HA.

The adult Gil in F/HA is shota Gil who finally decided to age up after enjoying being in his shota form long enough.

Adult Gil in F/HA is not the same Adult Gil from F/SN, you stupid fuck.

Adult Gil in F/HA is an adult Gil that managed to retain his friendly shota personality from his childhood days.

As expected of a dumb Gilfag secondary who has no idea what he is talking about.

Alexander Lewis
Alexander Lewis

This is how the fight went:

Gilgamesh put on a malicious smile and deployed the Gate of Babylon over a large area around the hill. Deployed over all sides around Archer, the entrance to his vault began to undulate like a tornado. Suddenly, innumerous noble phantasms were blasted out with the momentum of a machine gun, creating a tornado of light and impact high above the hill. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of noble phantasms came raining down onto the man standing in the center of the tornado. At times, they were blades, at times they were knowledge, at times they were pain, at times they were knowledge. There had been a long sword that slayed an oriental dragon. There had been a demonic sword that brought ruin. There had been a spear that killed heroes. There had been lightning without form. The originals of all the noble phantasms humanity had obtained or created were propelled unsparingly. A hellish rain spun by mankind was fired in all directions in 360 degrees. Tine seeing the amazing sight had imagined that not even chunks of flesh would remain of Archer. But once the tornado settled, a spectacle that betrayed Gilgamesh and Tine’s expectations greeted them. In it was Archer, still uninjured, brushing off the dust from the long piece of cloth covering his body, and around him, piles of innumerous noble phantasms.
“It can’t be…” said Tine, her eyes bulging in disbelief, but Gilgamesh ignored her and looked at his foe.
For some time, silence dominated the hill, but that was soon broken by Archer’s chuckling.
”Heh….hehheh…..hgh….ha…hahaha…”
An obviously mocking voice emerged from behind the cloth.
“What is so amusing?” asked Gilgamesh with a blank expression, to which Archer replied back, saying very clearly:
“Weak.”

Hunter Hall
Hunter Hall

It's no harder than any of his other post-Stay Night stuff, but you NEED to be at at least a high school reading level for it unless you're willing to constantly reference a dictionary.

Alexander Nguyen
Alexander Nguyen

So random Servants can take down Berserker Arceuid more easily than a god more powerful than Kiara can?

I don't know where you got the way you read that from, because not only is that not what's in the actual kanji, it doesn't make a lick of sense.

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

Nope, CCC is Nasu at his laziest.

He even got a chance to plagiarize more from past writers like essentially just editing and modifying certain parts of the Epic of Gilgamesh and then calling it a day.

Bentley Garcia
Bentley Garcia

Not only are you wrong, but you're mad as fuck. No he's not Ko-Gil in personality as older Gil. The entire scene I'm talking about involves him bullying the shit out of Cu, which isn't something Ko-Gil would do. No he isn't just Ko-Gil aged up or whatever.

He's the same Gil from F/SN, but not in a villain spot so we see him just fucking around and being an ass in a more comedic way. As Gil and EMIYA team up to fuck with Cu fishing.

John Walker
John Walker

Did you just ignore everything Shota Gil said about his Adult Self in F/HA?

Keep sucking Adult Gil's dick since you are so blinded by your worship at him despite his own young self shitting on him in canon.

Jacob Rodriguez
Jacob Rodriguez

0.005% of the script is a retelling of the epic of gilgamesh
"wow, plagiarism much?"

You can't be serious, can you?

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

I am probably not at that level.
I read Tsukihime and its spin-off (Except for melty blood), Fate/SN (now reading HA) in japanese.
But that was thanks to a text hooker.

Thanks for answering anyway.

Hudson Rivera
Hudson Rivera

For clarification, reason TA survived is due to Nemian Lion NP which blocks all piercing or outside attacks or something.

Its not an almighty NP, but very hard to counter if you don't realize the trick behind it. Even Heracles had to choke the lion physically since no weapon could pierce it.

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

Gil even gave her the youth of elixir so I guess she'll remain loli for a longer time.

Landon Ross
Landon Ross

Like I already told you, it doesn't matter. Ok it's 30% and not Berserker Arc.

Amaterasu MIGHT have a chance of beating 30% Arc, wow, amazing, great.

Juan Reyes
Juan Reyes

http://www.dm5.com/m246392-p112/#ipg1
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4339242665?pid=83551758864&cid=#83551758864

Hunter Nguyen
Hunter Nguyen

Considering a delusional CCCfag like yourself kept spamming the same Gil passage from CCC all the time as evidenced by the archive and constantly praising it when nobody asked for an obnoxious dump in greentext.

Jeremiah Perez
Jeremiah Perez

Check it out on kissmanga

Carter Cook
Carter Cook

what the fuck does that have to do with you not knowing what plagiarism means?

Christopher Gonzalez
Christopher Gonzalez

I think it's been said that the Nemean Lion hide actually prevents all weapons from penetrating it. So it'd be weak to anything that isn't a 'weapon'. That's why Hippolyta was able to punch him so hard and it actually worked.

Eli Baker
Eli Baker

CCCfag ruining threads

All that's left is Lancelot.

Jose Ortiz
Jose Ortiz

Do either of you fuckers have a source that someone might be actually able to clarify with?

Christopher King
Christopher King

Nemian Lion makes him basically immune to any weapon.

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

Gil and his chocolaty master are chilling in an Indian casino. Towel surprises them by blasting out the wall with arrow spam from a couple of miles away. He even managed to pierce a force field Gil had put up in case Enkidu would try something.

Gil was kinda pissed off and boarded the Vimana with the loli to meet Towel in a cliff. Towel kept ineffectively spamming arrows at them as they made their way to him. Gil arrives and tries to get Towel to talk, but gets ignored while Towel keeps shooting at the loli even as she hides on the Vimana and is protected by the ship's force field.

Gil gets even more pissed off and fires some crap from GoB. Towel is completely unharmed. Gil starts shouting some stuff that doesn't even make sense and is even called childish by the narration, and fires fuckloads of stuff at Towel from every angle. Towel is unharmed and pretty much calls Gil a shit who couldn't match up without Ea. Gil draws Merodach and then gets interrupted by Hippolyta, who punches Towel into a mountain. She tells Gil to back the fuck off and then ignored him. Gil is pretty much fuming at this point. And then there's a giant fiery explosion where Towel landed.

Henry Jenkins
Henry Jenkins

Wouldnt that mean Ea can harm him ? Cause it isnt classified as a weapon

Joseph Davis
Joseph Davis

Which is dumb as fuck honestly.

Even if nothing can pierce it, a hit with an object will still impart it's kinetic force on him.

Aiden Perry
Aiden Perry

So it'd be weak to anything that isn't a 'weapon'
He didn´t use it aginst gilgamesh.That what is on his face is his deathshirt.

Nathan Gutierrez
Nathan Gutierrez

Maybe

Heracles has one more EX rank NP, that's probably how he was planning to counter it.

David Ross
David Ross

Why the fuck herc just wear that shitty towel around his body instead of covering his face?

It fucking ruined his character design.

Christopher Morgan
Christopher Morgan

Because no one cared who he was before he put on the towel

Colton Martin
Colton Martin

Hercules already broke through Enkidu, surprising Gil back in F/SN since he didn't expect Enkidu to break since it was the first time it happened.

This Gil doesn't even have the knowledge that Hercules in F/SN managed to break through Enkidu.

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

Epic.

Jack Reyes
Jack Reyes

I'd consider it.

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

Yes, but it's Heracles we are talking about. I think he can manage with just the impact.

Adam Garcia
Adam Garcia

is due to Nemian Lion NP
Do you think that or do you know that?
Herakles statement wouldn´t make sense if you´re right:
“All you do is throw weapons blindly...even hurling sand would have made a better substitute...“
The mysterious Archer continued speaking in the chilly atmosphere he created.
“>Such puerile tricks can defeat only weaklings……or non-thinking beasts.”
He spoke softly but it was evident that what he said had strength in it containing not simple

Thomas Gray
Thomas Gray

Gil and his chocolaty master are chilling in an Indian casino.
Is Gil gambling in the casino?

Aiden Wood
Aiden Wood

Even with God Hand you're able to kill him using any weapon so long as you have A rank strength.

Without it even B should be able to ruin his day, and C should still sting like a motherfucker.

Ethan Wright
Ethan Wright

All versions of Gil are shitty. He's easily one of the most boring characters in literally every single franchise installment he's been featured in.

Aaron Mitchell
Aaron Mitchell

Can he remove the towel ?

Josiah White
Josiah White

Everyone seems to have forgotten that Hercules in canon had enough strength to carry the weight of the heavens on his shoulders.

Ryder Powell
Ryder Powell

You are talking about a "sane" Heracles who managed to be unscratched after a 360° swordspam with thousand of NP from GoB. Something God Hand didn't allow him to do.

Cameron Gomez
Cameron Gomez

Even though Gil has been beaten before, Ea never has been beaten directly. Avalon is the only one that broke through it before by putting the user in another dimension, and thus not contesting it.

Ea can't be underestimated, in all of its entries it says its at the top of NPs, is from before the planet, and is the conceptualization of the creation of the planet.

You can bet against Gil, but betting against Ea might be a bit much. Also Heracles also doesn't have knowledge that he broke through Enkidu.

Dominic Parker
Dominic Parker

No, he's just there because Tine's people are Native Americans and happen to own the casino. He does meet this based as fuck priest guy, though.

Hunter Long
Hunter Long

And? What does that have to do with it being dumb that the Lion fur nullifies all damage from weapons, including kinetic force, while strangling and crushing still work?

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

Its in the newest volume according to spoilers. Spoilers might be shoddy early on, but spoilers have turned out correct so far. Its the reason Hippo could hurt Herc even though Gil couldn't.

Xavier Jones
Xavier Jones

It's all in the knees.

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

Yeah, Gil is pretty shitty. There are more interesting people in Sumerian mythology than Gil.

He's the King with one of the least achievements on the Sumerian King List as well.

The only good thing he did for his citizens was help build a wall around one of the temples located in Uruk and it wasn't even the large city wall outside.

He spent more time goofing off with Enkidu than being King and doing paperwork and shit.

And before Enkidu appeared, he was raping his own citizens and abusing his authority that everyone in town prayed for the gods to do something about Gil running amok.

Ayden Lee
Ayden Lee

using any weapon so long as you have A rank strength.
You make it sound so easy.That´s like saying you just have
to shoot acchiles heel
He will never will be a regular hero.

John Gutierrez
John Gutierrez

It's a conceptual armament you dumbfuck. If the damage is inflicted by a weapon - all of which cause it through kinetic force, by the fucking way - then it is negated. If it is not a weapon, like a fucking fist, then the damage isn't negated.

Mason Taylor
Mason Taylor

help build a wall
So he made Uruk great again?

Aiden Long
Aiden Long

A rank strength is a big deal, yes.

B rank is pretty much standard for Berserker/Lancer/Saber classes and isn't that rare for Rider to have either - which was my real point.

It's description specifically says it cannot be pierced, which is why people say it's impervious to weapons.

My fucking point was that's dumb as fuck when we KNOW kinetic force and compression works, which is what those weapons can still deliver even if they can't get through it.

It's the same principle behind why chainmail can stop you getting your arm getting cut off but still let your bone be broken.

Colton Ortiz
Colton Ortiz

Luckily for them Gil is not annoyed because of that.

Evan Adams
Evan Adams

Chief Orlando got a hold of Rick's sword
Dumas can forge fake NPs that are superior to their original models
Rick's sword is an inferior Excalibur replica
Guys, Rick is gonna get Excalibur 2.0.

Evan Sullivan
Evan Sullivan

Uruk already had a city wall constructed by humanity's first architect.

Gil just later built a wall around a temple that just so happens to be associated with Ishtar inside the city, which shows that Gil eventually made peace with Ishtar in his middle aged to late years near the ending of his Epic.

It wasn't like Gil was mad at Ishtar and the gods until he died of old age.

Gil in the Epic started maturing after the death of Enkidu and his encounter with the King Under the Mountain who was in possession of the immortality herb and Gil's failure in obtaining immortality.

Bentley Bennett
Bentley Bennett

So you´re basically compaing about the myth?

Justin Morales
Justin Morales

I bet the Epic of Gil was read by future princes or those in line for the succession of the throne in Sumerian civilization as a warning to not act like a spoiled brat like Gil once you become king.

The warning about seeking something like immortality in the Epic of Gil must have been taken to heart since none of the Sumerian Kings have been mentioned to have done crazy dangerous shit like Chinese Emperors like drinking teacups full of liquid mercury in their quests to attain immortality.

Gil was a King you did not want your King to imitate at all.

Jonathan Watson
Jonathan Watson

Can we talk about how OP Caster is ?

Alexandre Dumas can now recreate Excalibur somehow.

Easton Walker
Easton Walker

Also Heracles also doesn't have knowledge that he broke through Enkidu.
Actually he mght. A person in an earlier thread said that the grail mud nonsense gave him some memories of the previous war although that's unconfirmed. This Herc probably is shittalking Gil specifically because he killed his loli.

Brayden James
Brayden James

Alexandre Dumas can now recreate Excalibur somehow.
Trips confirm, Nisexcalibur is best Excalibur.

Jacob Perez
Jacob Perez

creating d or c rank noble phantasm is easy, but it's harder for him to create a divine contruct

Jonathan Peterson
Jonathan Peterson

Also Heracles also doesn't have knowledge that he broke through Enkidu.
He doesn´t need to.He already did basically the same thing in the myth.

Adrian Gray
Adrian Gray

That's fanon, because some people so want this, they want GIl to be blown out for Ilya because they're still fresh angry about UBW. As soon as TA's identity was revealed people were saying it. They rejoice that Heracles is going to kill GIl's shitty loli in revenge.

Daniel Baker
Daniel Baker

eat
shit
watch TV
browse the Internet
dropkick shotas and steal their Twitter accounts
call the chief of police
ask him to get you some hookers
talk bullshit until he hangs up on you
pull a magical axe out of your sphincter
watch infomercials until sunrise
rinse and repeat
He's a pathological liar and a telephone terrorist, and I think he might be lodging in a funeral parlor. Fucking love the guy.

Angel Edwards
Angel Edwards

UBW is better. Alexandre Dumas would not be able to pull off 9 Lives.

Camden Myers
Camden Myers

Which myth was that and Gil or Hercules?
Such a shame. It gets more hilarious if Herc's mockery is including previous war memories and I say this as a guy who actually finds Gil amusing.

Adrian James
Adrian James

They rejoice that Heracles is going to kill GIl's shitty loli in revenge.
He won´t.Hercules Is the Archetype of a Hero after all.
His corruption now is still far less than when he was a berserker..

Lincoln Carter
Lincoln Carter

call the chief of police
ask him to get you some hookers

Yep, Dumas is absolutly based.

Samuel Kelly
Samuel Kelly

Herkules.He broke the chains of prometeus.They were soppused to be unbreakable.

Jacob Bennett
Jacob Bennett

I think she's fine like this.

Henry Johnson
Henry Johnson

Chiron does hit Achilles in the heel user.

He uses his Saint Seiya move to turn off Achilles invicibility in his last breath.

Charles Rogers
Charles Rogers

He's not even the best loli protector in this series. Seriously, he's crap next to literally everything else in SF.

Lincoln Jackson
Lincoln Jackson

No Shuwen becomes one with the nature. So its a more general thing.

This one becomes one with the shadows. He also gets prana while in the shadows

Andrew Morales
Andrew Morales

Seriously, he's crap next to literally everything else in SF.

Bitches really just get off to hating him every thread he's mentioned.

John Torres
John Torres

Siegfried dies before his identity can be revealed and that weak point ever comes into play
It was always in play. Gordes' desire to afeguard Siegfried's identity and weak point is a major driving force in the developments leading up to Siegfried's sacrifice.

Alexander Cooper
Alexander Cooper

Was Siegfried batman?

Aaron Williams
Aaron Williams

She looks like she's about to get raped.

Dominic Turner
Dominic Turner

Maybe they'd say nice things about him if he stopped being so shit.

Andrew Wood
Andrew Wood

Anons still mad he killed that psycopath illya.

David Barnes
David Barnes

Kill yourself, Gilfag.

Samuel Mitchell
Samuel Mitchell

Gordes did nothing wrong

Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

So Li Shuwen's PC is still better. Why isn't it EX? Becoming one with the shadows obviously has a few drawbacks

Adrian Richardson
Adrian Richardson

Darkness is everywhere.

Joshua Young
Joshua Young

He'd be fucked in a wide, open battlefield with no shadows.

Easton Barnes
Easton Barnes

So Li Shuwen's PC is still better.
It's not. His Sphere Boundary is a skill distinct from Presence Concealment.

Dominic Campbell
Dominic Campbell

a wide, open battlefield with no shadows.
You mean like a dessert?

Brody Thomas
Brody Thomas

Yeah for example, or a plain

Dylan Harris
Dylan Harris

SO, LI SHUWEN IS STILL WAY BETTER THAN THIS GUY I KNOW SHIT ABOUT
He looked coldly at the command spells on his right hand and was about to contact the other involved parties after having written down what had happened on a piece of memo paper. But then he noticed that something was slightly off. Noise ran through several of the monitors that were arranged in a row. It could have been dismissed as being a simple electrical failure, but the problem was that the noise ran through even the video feed being sent by familiars. These devices did take the form of monitors, but they were magical. Noise didn’t just happen randomly, so it made him think that there must have been some interference from another magus. Faldeus was checking the monitors, until he realized that he had been scribbling on the piece of paper by his hands.

Oh my. This isn’t like me. I guess not being able to summon a Heroic Spirit had shaken me up some.

After some mystification over his own actions, he made a movement to tear the memo. Then his fingers suddenly stopped. The scribbles contained text, written in letters of completely different handwriting than his own, with clear meaning behind them.

“I ask of you, are you my Master?”

He felt the blood suddenly draining from the back of his head. Faldeus scanned his surroundings, slowly, to not reveal his own restlessness. Doing so, he saw darkness. One of the monitors affected by the noise was showing the outside of the penitentiary. In it was the shadow of the forest, out of the reach of the illumination. Faldeus’ eyes were drawn to the impenetrable umbra, specifically the small white object floating in its center. The monitor was one of those that were linked to a familiar. He instructed the familiar to approach the darkness. Soon Faldeus became sure of it. That the object in the darkness was a malformed skull mask.

Owen Jones
Owen Jones

Nah. Zealot was a crazy bitch that would have destroyed the entire organization if she was the head. Also she didn't make her own Zabaniya.

Mason Sanders
Mason Sanders

He's not supposed to be on the battlefield anyway. Generally speaking, if an assassin ends up trading blows with an enemy servant it means that the assassin or the assassin's master fucked up big.

Jace Lopez
Jace Lopez

Its not really presence concealment

It's kung fu mumbo jumbo.

Also i don't think his Sphere Boundary has a rank in Extra?
Could be wrong tho.

Colton Long
Colton Long

“Excuse me. I need a breath of fresh air.”

Leaving the room, Faldeus quickly headed to where the video was being taken. It was possible that it could have been a trap by an outside magus. He went down the penitentiary corridor, cautious of his surroundings. It was a long corridor before the break of dawn. He was quickly walking down the hallway, virtually no light being filtered through the windows, when suddenly the fluorescent light at the end of the hallway began blinking on and off and finally went out completely. Darkness abruptly formed in front of him. In it, Faldeus saw something. A white skull mask floating in the abyss.

There’s no mistaking it. That skull mask is Assassin’s. Did my summoning work? No, it could be the Assassin that had been summoned as a sacrifice.

As guesses raced through his mind, the fluorescent lighting once again lit up, the white mask disappearing with it.

“What was–“
The instant he produced that murmur, the fluorescent lights directly above him went out. At the same time, a voice spoke to him from behind.

“Do not turn around.”

Faldeus could just barely recognize that it was a male voice. But it was an inorganic one that did not betray age or build. The voice whispered to Faldeus from right behind.

“…!”

At that moment, Faldeus was prepared to die. He received a premonition of death so clear that it told him that whatever he did there would end in futility, that none of the magic at his disposal could save him. He did not know what was behind him. There was so little he could feel from it that it even felt like the darkness was infinitely expanding. It wasn’t that the voice possessed deadly intent. The opposite in fact. The voice behind him had no presence to it. It was like a space of nothingness in which not even air existed was talking to him directly. The voice was so non-existent that he even considered that it might have been a phantom voice born from his delusions.

Lincoln Richardson
Lincoln Richardson

He could possibly hide inside of his enemie's shadow.

James Parker
James Parker

Cursed Arm Hassan had a tough war.

Aaron Perez
Aaron Perez

You know he was basically surrunded by dessert when he was a life.?Or he could attake at night .

Adam Cruz
Adam Cruz

There was still one thing he could imagine though. That if there was something behind him, it must be the white mask that had been floating in the darkness just before.

“I ask of you…are you my Master?” asked the void.

Faldeus knew what would be there if he turned, but he could not bring himself to no matter what. All he could do was speak to the man standing behind him in the silence.

“…Yes. That would have been the case had you appeared after the summoning ritual.”

The whisper paused briefly and then shook Faldeus’ eardrums.

“Do you have convictions?”
“Convictions?”

The voice simply continued to speak words from behind Faldeus.

“Do you have convictions that you would offer your life to?”

Faldeus thought about it briefly and answered under controlled breathing.

“I dedicate all my magic to the United States of America. That is my conviction.”
“Are you prepared to follow your convictions, even if it means ending someone’s life?”
“You mean would I kill?”
“That is what it means to make a contract with me.”

Being a grail war, the majority of its participants were magi who were prepared for life and death situations. However, just how many of them would be quick to answer when they could feel death strongly approaching them? After a short pause, the young magus spoke with surprising calmness.

“Of course; if it is for the sake of the United States, I have no reservations on killing our citizens,” Faldeus said firmly.

After brief silence, the darkness behind him uttered words.

“I am Hassan i Sabbah,” the Heroic Spirit said, revealing its true name.

Faldeus was now certain. With no contract established between them yet, this could not be telepathy. However, his name had definitely reached his ears alone. It really had been a whisper that that shook only a part of Faldeus’ brain. As if his innards were tainted by some curse.

“I will be your shadow, so long as you do not abandon your convictions.”

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

Heres what we know from True Assassin

STR:?
END:?
AGI:?
MGI:?
LCK:?
NP:?

Class Skills:
Presence Concealment: EX
Becomes one with the World itself. The moment one shifts to attack, it becomes A+.

Personal Skills:
Shadow Lantern: A
Skill that allows one to become one with the shadows. Because he can gain surrounding magical energy from the darkness, as long as he does not materialize he almost doesn't need the Master's magical energy supply. As long as a command spell is not used, it is possible to conceal one's status from the Master.

Liam Bell
Liam Bell

Also she didn't make her own Zabaniya.
Hundred arguably didn't either. His mental abnormality was not something he conceived himself, it was always there and he just deliberately exacerbated his preexisting condition until people around him started calling it a miracle.

It's kinda sad to think about, at least I think so. His head was a crowded place where he had a hard time keeping track of who he was, and the people around him all clapped their hands more and more loudly as his head got more and more fucked up. It might not have been such a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that his wish for the Grail was to fix his fragmented mind.

Gavin Sanders
Gavin Sanders

It would be very painful

Jace Scott
Jace Scott

People shit on him becoming one with the shadows for the last hundred posts, saying that he'd be super fucked if he was in some wide open area or something.

Turns out presence concealment and shadow becoming are two different abilities entirely. His ability to become nothingness and not be detected are different. Even in wide open area he'd never be seen.

Jason Turner
Jason Turner

Who are these girls?

Ryan Brooks
Ryan Brooks

Funny because said shota actually looked up to him in real life.

William Walker
William Walker

Church girls, it looks like. Possibly Executors, given that there is at least one Dead Apostle running around the city.

John Walker
John Walker

Spooky.

Anthony Ramirez
Anthony Ramirez

I'm surprised we don't have more English translations for the manga. You'd think with how popular Fate stuff is we'd be caught up by now.

Hudson Lopez
Hudson Lopez

grail war
servants
dead apostoles
church executors
in america
Shit is going to get real.

CCC fox tail hasn't gotten a translation since chapter 7 like years ago

Jason Reed
Jason Reed

No one gives a shit about the Fate spinoffs.

Luke Evans
Luke Evans

Chapter 8 came out awhile back even though it was never uploaded to scanlation sites, also chapter 9 is halfway done.

People are trying to work on it.

Ethan Lewis
Ethan Lewis

CCC Foxtail is another one I'd like to see worked on too.

Isn't the Heavens Feel Manga not up to date either?

Blake Walker
Blake Walker

In the Hundred-Faced's favor, he really could do a lot of things that the Zealot couldn't. She's mastered eighteen Zabaniyas, all of them good enough to be an ace in the hole, and she's obviously incredible for doing this, but if you look at her skills all she's got is Presence Concealment and Zealotry. At A- her Presence Concealment is ranked the lowest of any Assassin affiliated with the Hashshashin, and Zealotry is pretty much just there to represent that she's too much of a fanatic to let herself be influenced by mental attacks.

Meanwhile, Hundred has mastered over a hundred different skills and specializations. That's also amazing. I don't think it'd be wrong to say he's the most versatile of the Hassans, even more versatile than the Zealot, but he doesn't seem to have any sort of strong trump card.

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

Who's that?

Cameron Wilson
Cameron Wilson

Some oni-fag from Gozen's backstory

Michael Cook
Michael Cook

I call them Hansa's Angels.

Aiden Hernandez
Aiden Hernandez

Exposition chapter takes place while they're all in the hotsprings.

So that while all the characters were explaining all this shit, you couldn't say it was boring at least.

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

This isn't DBZ after all; Stats are a thing, skills are a thing, strategy is a thing, skill in arms is a thing, NP are a thing, everything is a thing rather than being linear "My power level is 2000 and yours is 1800, so I win" like some people seem to want.

lol no, it is a power level fest if they go serious, Gilgamesh spams Enuma Elish from the start. Saber spams ExcaliNuke

Zachary White
Zachary White

What the fuck. Why are Nero and Emiya in Foxtail?

Ian Campbell
Ian Campbell

Conceptual parameters have always been more important in all of Nasu's works.

Jaxson Mitchell
Jaxson Mitchell

Its just bonus pages at the end of the volume, its hard to tell if the bonus pages mean anything at the moment or if they're supposed to be a fake preview for the next volume.

First four volumes are up on BL to download

Latest part of the story has BB vs BB

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

mmm, if Gil goes melee against Assassin IN THE STAIRS, he loses?

Gavin King
Gavin King

Non-canon

Dominic Hughes
Dominic Hughes

You forgot that he also has to strip first.

Brandon Baker
Brandon Baker

Something to note on the previous page

Gozen never wears underwear, as a character trait. Rani as well is within that category of never wearing panties.

Asher Richardson
Asher Richardson

suddenly Foxtail for no reason
I hate this.

Jason Torres
Jason Torres

In my opinion, it seems like Zealot is really only good for straight up fighting. In that regard, she is probably better than the Hundred-Faced Hassan, but that's not really what assassination is about.

Carson Lewis
Carson Lewis

I hate you, but I can't do anything about that either.

Christopher Rogers
Christopher Rogers

Why is someone duming Fox Tail when we were talking about True Assassin and F/SF ?

Juan Phillips
Juan Phillips

Because Tamamofags have decided to become as cancerous as Sakurafags.

William Anderson
William Anderson

You're going to condemn an entire fanbase because of this? Are you sure you're not the cancerous one?

Ian Diaz
Ian Diaz

Oh come on, I am the who asked and I am a Caskofag myself, don't generalize like this.

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

We're all having fun and having a good time, and then someone gets triggered.

Christian Edwards
Christian Edwards

That means, even if she went all out and unleashed 100% of her power, she would still only have middling odds of winning.
The scaling of Arcueid's power isn't linear, mate. The main reason why 100% is broken is because as AE she has Authority over Gaia and is effectively omnipotent within Gaia's Reality Marble. Direct firepower doesn't matter when you can trap your opponent in a pocket dimension and blow it up with the force of the Big Bang.

Benjamin Brooks
Benjamin Brooks

Zelretch is observing it
Canon

John Barnes
John Barnes

He literally, explicitly states that he is not observing it.

William Williams
William Williams

Is anyone translating the novels?

William Wood
William Wood

AE is far beyond 100% Arceuid. 100% Arceuid is just Arceuid at her full stats, which are absolutely monstrous, but we've seen Warceuid before, and she's not invincible.

AE is another thing entirely, it's 100% Arceuid plus Gaia's will, who becomes Crimson Moon for all intents and purposes. Crimson Moon is inarguably the most powerful thing on Gaia barring crap like Grand Servants, but still beatable, as evidenced by Zelretch kicking his ass.

Luke Wood
Luke Wood

You can't kill Types. Even Type Venus said the Types will just respawn later.

And the Grand Servants can't do shit against Primate Murder except attempt to restrain Primate Murder.

Xavier Ramirez
Xavier Ramirez

The Counter Force of Alaya isn't permitted to fight or rebel against the Counter Force of Gaia. Heroic Spirits aren't allowed to harm Primate Murder, period.

And that's simply untrue. You can destroy Types and they will remain destroyed (see Ado Edem vs. Type whichever it was). It's like how every planet will still be destroyed if confronted with a black hole or collision with a star. You just can't impose a concept of death on them like Gun God did, because even if it works in the short term, they'll shrug it off because it's not a concept native to their planet.

It's been explained that Arceuid can only be killed permanently by destroying her physical body with an anti-World conceptual armament of great power. Even though she's a Type (although Type Moon rather than Type Earth, since there is no Type Earth), she is of Earth, and all living beings on Earth have a concept of death, even Crimson Moon.

Zachary Cox
Zachary Cox

Ado Edem definitely destroys Type Saturn for good. But I think Slash Emperor's and Black Barrels effects on Type's are quite different.

As for Primate Murder, I'm still trying to figure out the whole supposed retcon thing. How do you go from some Counter Guardians to the Grand Servants in terms of restraining it? Did Nasu decide to buff the shit out of Primate Murder? Because based on Solomon's ridiculous power level it all seems retarded.

Adrian Adams
Adrian Adams

And the Grand Servants can't do shit against Primate Murder except attempt to restrain Primate Murder.

Nice fanon

One grand servant destroyed the entire world throughout all of human history and Gaia couldn't do shit, and you decide "Well these fuck shits must be basically counter guardians or weaker since I'm conflating an old interview to mean what I want.

Grand servants were created to repel threats to the entire world, alien threats in other words, not "Well they're way way weaker than Primate Murder, they can't do shit"

Again, one Grand servant is confirmed to be enough to destroy the world throughout seven points in history easily, has overcome death, can summon himself from the throne, and he didn't just kill Gaia but rather everything ever including Avalon and Scat's shadow dimension.

Thinking these guys you know nothing about but are putting arbitrary limits on in your mind to be way weaker than some other guy in your mind is strange.

Angel Martinez
Angel Martinez

To be fair, only Counter Guardians and beings contracted to Alaya can't fight Gaia.

Heroic Spirits summoned via other manners have no such restriction. Not all of them are in Alaya's employ.

Xavier Adams
Xavier Adams

Although Nasu never spelled it out until now, I think Counter Guardians, when summoned by Alaya, are Grand Servants. The stupid amount of mana that the Fuyuki Holy Grail had while Dark Sakura was active, something like a million units, was equivalent in total to a single Counter Guardian. And this was around 9 Servants' worth of pure mana (since Gilgamesh counted for 4).

In other words, Counter Guardians have always been absurdly powerful, but only when summoned by Alaya. When summoned by a Holy Grail for a Grail War, they don't have the insane buffs that Alaya grants, probably.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

So how do you guys think Alcides' labor-NPs are going to work?

Labor 1: The Nemean Lion
Blocks any weapon from penetrating it. Confirmed.
Labor 2: The Lernean Hydra
Hydra-poison arrows.
Labor 3: The Hind of Ceryneia
Either something that makes it so that he won't lose sight of his target and therefore preventing it from escaping him or something endurance related.
Labor 4: The Erymanthean Boar
?
Labor 5: The Augean Stables
?
Labor 6: The Stymphalian Birds
?
Labor 7: The Cretan Bull
?
Labor 8: The Horses of Diomedes
Summons a herd of fire-breathing horses.
Labor 9: The Belt of Hippolyte
Sash that increases the wearer's stats. Confirmed.
Labor 10: Geryon's Cattle
The golden chariot given to him by Helios.
Labor 11: The Apples of the Hesperides
Likely gives him temporarily EX Strength or replicates his feat of carrying the entire world on his shoulders in a similar way.
Labor 12: Cerberus
Summons Cerberus.

Gabriel Bailey
Gabriel Bailey

How the fuck do you go up from Ea? Does he pull of Gate of Ea or some other similar Ex Machina?

Bentley Sullivan
Bentley Sullivan

Primate Murder can destroy the world just as easily.

Also, not even Solomon can do anything against ORT.

Colton Wright
Colton Wright

Nice headcanon.

Solomon is so weak that he isn't even anti-planet.

Nasu agreed. Don't bother him about it.

Ian Diaz
Ian Diaz

He fight with the intention of winning, and doesn't just casually throw weapons from GoB like he did with Lancelot or Heracles.

Gil is actually smart and can capitalize on other heroes weakness, also you can see here what a full GoB looks like.

Hunter Thomas
Hunter Thomas

The Hind might actually be him getting the unmatchable speed of the Hind, given what we've seen of Noble Phantasms based on hunting beasts, like Atalanta's Calydonian Boar NP.

The Erymanthean Boar is a toughie, but he did drink some sick wine with his centaur bros from it. Maybe the wine? It was pretty strong stuff, but that'd be kind of lame.

The Stables might have something to do with the reward he received from the King whose stables he cleaned.

The Birds? No idea.

The Bull? Might summon it to lead his chariot.

Jacob Martinez
Jacob Martinez

Anyone find it funny how now that Heracles is confirmed eligible for Avenger, you can have a full Heracles grail war?

Saber Heracles
Archer Heracles
Lancer Heracles
Rider Heracles
Berserker Heracles
Assassin Heracles
Avenger Heracles

One of these endless Fate spinoffs needs to make a grail war like that. How would they even interact with one another?

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

Nope, Type Venus implied Type Saturn will be back.

It is just gonna take a long time for Saturn to respawn again.

Even Type Venus is suppose to be "dead" but she can still move her main body and talk to people.

The human concept of death doesn't apply to Types.

Jayden Ramirez
Jayden Ramirez

Heracles is confirmed eligible for Avenger
He is not. It's his Masterstripping him from his Divinity, forcing him to hate the gos and corrupting him with Fuyui's Grail mud that shifted him into an Avenger. You will never summon Herc as an Avenger from the start.

Aiden Price
Aiden Price

Heracles supposedly freed Prometheus around the time he hunted the Erymanthean Boar. Maybe he'll have some boon from Prometheus, fire related, or maybe he'll just have Zeus's god-restraining chains from it.

Alexander Smith
Alexander Smith

I honestly think it fits her better.

Christopher Harris
Christopher Harris

Avenger always stated that the Dog and Spider are superior to him.

Xavier Fisher
Xavier Fisher

Don't forget Shielder Heracles.

Blake Clark
Blake Clark

Gonna need a source on that, friendo. If he can shift into another class, then how can he not be summonable as that class?

Sebastian Wright
Sebastian Wright

All this discussion about Types and the Primate Murder got me intersted, where can I read more about them ?

Jacob Evans
Jacob Evans

Even Type Venus is suppose to be "dead" but she can still move her main body and talk to people.
Type Venus' main body is immobile throughout Notes. V/V is just a fragment of Type Venus, like an avatar or a projection, just an extension of a greater entity. She's like a subroutine in a computer.

Luis Perez
Luis Perez

Angel Notes.

Thomas Gutierrez
Thomas Gutierrez

or maybe he'll just have Zeus's god-restraining chains from it.
If Narita wants to make the Gil vs Herc fight the complete opposite of what happened in F/SN it's possible that it's going to be this and he'll have Herc use it on Gil.

Jacob Johnson
Jacob Johnson

Use Ea while launching 1000 doors of GoB

Ryan Turner
Ryan Turner

Slash Emperor is an Anti-Planet weapon though. It's doesn't "kill" types. It destroys them. Much like if a planet were to get destroyed by some other cosmic disaster, like a supernova or black hole.

It doesn't involve the concept of "death" - it just destroys them. Types most certainly have the concept of being destroyed. Everything in existence does.

Robert Murphy
Robert Murphy

Primate Murder is only ever briefly mentioned in side materials, IIRC the ones for Tsukihime and the once-proposed Tsukihime 2.

Types are from Notes, which is essentially a collection of Nasu's... notes about a story he once thought about writing about the last human on the dead Earth and the posthuman society's struggle to survive against the most powerful beings from the other planets in the solar system.

I hate doing this but the easiest way to learn the gist about both of these things is to go to the Type-Moon wiki and just reading the articles. Just take everything with a grain of salt.

Carter Allen
Carter Allen

but we've seen Warceuid before, and she's not invincible.
Warcueid is not Arcueid 100% secondary. Warcueid has 1/3 of the current maximum Arcueid has(it's literally said in melty blood). Current Arcueid at 100% is much stronger than Warcueid.

TRUE Arcueid 100% is White Princess Arcueid, when she had long hair before she was tricked by Roa. After Roa stole big part of her power and then Altrouge stole her hair(and more power) after some unknown kind of battle.

but still beatable, as evidenced by Zelretch kicking his ass.
It was literally Gilgamesh vs Shirou 1.0 version

Alexander Hill
Alexander Hill

Type Moon

She is Archetype Earth.

even Crimson Moon

Crimson Moon is not a living being of Earth. Clearly you know nothing.

William Brown
William Brown

Type Venus's body isn't dead though nor is it decaying.

In fact, it is still incredibly dangerous and no one knows how to remove it quick since it is in danger of releasing attacks from its main body anyday now.

You have to understand that a Type simply being on Earth is pretty much poison to its surroundings.

If the people don't move away from Type Venus's main body soon, they will have very short lives or will start suffering ill effects.

Brayden King
Brayden King

Is it translated or the wiki is the only option for an EOP ?

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

and he didn't just kill Gaia but rather everything ever including Avalon

Retard, he explicitly didn't kill Avalon when Merlin shows up and talks about being in the garden. Solomon only incinerated human history.

Noah Williams
Noah Williams

Solomon only incinerated human history.

I like how the powercreep went so far that Solomon is described as having "only" destroyed human history.

Aiden Gomez
Aiden Gomez

The PM = Grand Servants comes from Nasu saying that he finally got to use that quote he said in an old interview just after London came out and the Grand Servants and the original summoning system is explained. So yes it's heavily implied Grand Servants are the ones equated to PM.

Liam Bailey
Liam Bailey

One grand servant destroyed the entire world throughout all of human history and Gaia couldn't do shit
Solomon only destroyed humans and the human world, Gaia doesn't care about humans. At least not on the level of protecting them.

Nice headcanon senpai.

Grand servants were created to repel threats to the entire world, alien threats in other words,
Except it's literally said they only protect Humanity's world.

Nice headcanon senpai, again.

Again, one Grand servant is confirmed to be enough to destroy the world throughout seven points in history easily, has overcome death, can summon himself from the throne,
This doesn't affect Gaia in the least.

and he didn't just kill Gaia but rather everything ever including Avalon and Scat's shadow dimension.
No he didn't, he never reached Avalon and didn't kill Gaia either.

And in case you're retarded and don't know about this Avalon was created by Gaia.
Your headcanon is fucking annoying, fuck off.

Solomon is barely on 9 tails Tamamo level, he's shit.

Zachary Ward
Zachary Ward

Angel Notes is an essay Nasu did for a magazine
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/73-Angel-Notes-Translation-by-Evospace

Jackson Watson
Jackson Watson

Can you get that quote.

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

She is Archetype Earth.

Protip champ: Archetype Earth is not Type Earth. There is no Type Earth because Gaia never created one, and instead Crimson Moon came down and was like 'yo I can be your Type for you, gurl' and so he became Gaia's Counter Force along with the True Ancestors.

Then Crimson Moon went to go kill the pesky humans giving Gaia shit and Zelretch blew him the fuck out, and his red moon along with him.

Fortunately for him, the True Ancestors soon got their asses fucked up by the Dead Apostles they created and needed a trump card to save themselves from their own creations, so they created the White Princess Arceuid, who turned out to be the actual reincarnation of Crimson Moon, although that pissed off Altrouge something fierce because she wanted to be daddy's favorite girl, not her little sister.

Crimson Moon is not a living being of Earth.

Actually he is. He became a part of Earth as part of the pact he made with Gaia. That's how he died for real when Zelretch blew him up.

And that's how he reincarnated into Arceuid, in fact.

Clearly you know nothing.

Talk shit, get hit, faggot

Wyatt White
Wyatt White

Nasu
7 counter guardians are needed to restrain Primate Murder, the servants in the HGW are based on those

Solomon
7 Grand Servants were once summoned by the Counter Force to fight against a threat to humanity caused by humanity's own wrongdoings, the servants in the HGW are based on those

Aaron Hughes
Aaron Hughes

Arcueid is both you retard, she has authority over the moon and earth. Altrouge has also authority over the moon.

I don't remember anything about reincarnations but Altrouge and Arcueid are both successors of CM

And Archetype Earth is Earth's Ultimate One.

Nicholas Phillips
Nicholas Phillips

All this talk of power levels and who does what makes me wanna know:

What do people think about the God of the Bible in Nasu's works?

We know he (or it) exists. We know the Church is immensely powerful. We know he's likely beyond being just a Divine Spirit. He's been involved with multiple Heroic Spirits and other shit.

Thinks like True Demons and Gaia are considered his creations. So is there some sort of immeasurably powerful cosmic entity treated as a "creator" by the Church or something? Honestly curious about people's opinions.

Juan Rogers
Juan Rogers

It's kept mysterious so that Nasu doesn't have to offend anyone.

Carson Davis
Carson Davis

Fucking secondaries man.

Robert Young
Robert Young

Planets>Gods

It's literally never said the god of the bible is the one that created Gaia or True Demons, that's your headcanon.

THERE IS a creator in Nasuverse but it's never said about it being a god or the god of the bible.

Christian Reyes
Christian Reyes

There is no Type Earth because headcanon bullshit

We don't know why Archetype Earth isn't referred to as Type Earth. It could simply be a play on words on the jungian archetype. What matters is that Archetype is the Brain of Earth and the strongest being on the planet, whether she is a Type or not doesn't fucking matter specially considering not all Types are as strong as each other.

Actually he is

And yet it was stated both Counter Forces wanted him dead.

That's how he died for real

Except True Ancestors cannot be killed by external factors. According to this CM was easier to kill than TAs. Being a creature of earth and a a part of Gaia would make him harder to kill rather than the opposite.

Josiah Young
Josiah Young

Nasu said the God of the Nasuverse wasn't the Christian God but a being completely apathetic being unconcerned with a planet like Earth and would just tell you to leave him alone.

The Christian God may exist in the Nasuverse but he isn't the true creator of the universe.

Because every mythology had a god that was their creator like the Japanese gods, Egyptian gods, etc

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

No. If Archetype Earth was Type Earth, she would be called that. She's the Type of another world filling the empty position that Gaia never filled on its own. She is treated like a Type by Earth, hence the stat buffs and mana backup, but it will never change the fact that there is no real Type Earth.

Liam Bailey
Liam Bailey

What's with the floating bitch and the cello?

Ethan Mitchell
Ethan Mitchell

High tier divine spirits of that level are outside of time and space, they exist on their own scale outside of the world alone usually. As is basically said in Ameratsu's bio entry.

All divine spirits represent a concept, Karna says Christian god represents the idea of "perfection" since he's the archetype of absolute, all powerful, and omnipotent.

You can't bring him up casually, even a random guy that he powered up is enough to nuke all of humanity.

Among the top divine spirits out there, there's no question what rank he is.

Nasu said the God of the Nasuverse wasn't the Christian God but a being completely apathetic being unconcerned with a planet like Earth and would just tell you to leave him alone.

He also said in the same entry that general imagery and understanding of uncaring divine spirit does match the church, or something like that.

So it actually might be

Parker Long
Parker Long

What matters is that Archetype is the Brain of Earth and the strongest being on the planet, whether she is a Type or not doesn't fucking matter specially considering not all Types are as strong as each other.

Archetype Earth is Crimson Moon is the Brain of Earth.

all Types are as strong as each other

Now that's headcanon!

And yet it was stated both Counter Forces wanted him dead.

No, actually, never.

Except True Ancestors cannot be killed by external factors.

Except they damn well can and have been? A lot of them got killed before Arceuid was even born. Being conceptually resistant to death is not the same as having no concept of death at all. We've seen that Arceuid herself has a concept of death.

Samuel Jackson
Samuel Jackson

If you acknowledge that, then no praying from the Church is ever gonna reach him because he doesn't care.

So it is pointless to speculate about the Christian God when he will never be bothered to appear on Earth or get related to Earth in anyway

Bentley Martin
Bentley Martin

When I said "considered his creations" I meant by the Church, which is true and not head canon. It's why they act against Imaginary Demons, but not True ones. I should have been more clear, sorry.

Just because they consider them such doesn't mean it's true though.

Yeah, that's what I figured.

William Scott
William Scott

Was it a counter guardian?

Jason Clark
Jason Clark

Archetype Earth is Crimson Moon

Except Nasu refers to Archetype as being the equivalent of the Crimson Moon rather than CM himself, so no.

Now that's headcanon!

I said that not all Types are as strong as each other not that they are all equally strong. Nice reading comprehension.

No, actually, never.

Read KT. It was plainly stated by Roa there.

A lot of them got killed before Arceuid was even born

You have no proof of this. They can be killed after they become demon lords but otherwise their life only ends once they seal themselves. I'll take Ciel's info dump over your headcanon.

Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

I believe there has only been one successful case of exorcism from the Church involving a True Demon that was simply incubating and not even hatched yet, yet it caused the person to lose his "true name", all his abilities, and now he just drives Ciel and her coworkers around in a shitty car.

Pretty sad what happened to him.

Isaac Reed
Isaac Reed

I wish Nasu wasn't so liberal with the Fate story licence, it's just become a bunch of authors trying to out-powerlevel each other; it retroactively makes the writing in the original VN inconsistent, too.

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

A True Demon has never appeared yet in the Nasuverse.

The closest one was Kiara but even Nasu said she wasn't a True Demon even when she became complete.

Juan Gray
Juan Gray

It turned out pretty bad too.

Like F/A's story turned out to be pure shit and the most cheesiest ending possible.

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

It all seems reasonably coherent to me. What do you have issues with?

Caleb Mitchell
Caleb Mitchell

Nasu already said the dog and DAA are showing up in grand order eventually.

Alexander Morgan
Alexander Morgan

Could you post some sources? All I know is that during her event Void Shiki said that had the imitations been real dogs of Alaya she wouldn't have been able to deal with them.

Anthony Adams
Anthony Adams

They haven't directly appeared, but they have been mentioned and given some background.

It's Primordial Demons we know absolutely nothing about.

Aiden Kelly
Aiden Kelly

Oops. I meant dogs of Gaia.

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

Primordial Demons just sound like possibly the ancestors of True Demons.

Also, Nasu says every Demon pretty much has a default Reality Marble.

Justin Clark
Justin Clark

Except Nasu refers to Archetype as being the equivalent of the Crimson Moon rather than CM himself, so no.

Because the original Crimson Moon is fucking dead, but his consciousness clearly lives on through Gaia. Any attempts to classify them as separate existences is stupid.

Nice reading comprehension.

My bad.

Read KT. It was plainly stated by Roa there.

Yeah I'm sure Gaia's Counter Force really wants to kill Gaia's Counter Force.

You have no proof of this.

It was kind of the entire reason they created Arceuid. The True Ancestors that weren't blood-crazy were getting killed by either blood-crazed True Ancestors or Dead Apostles, so they needed someone powerful enough to hunt them all down before True Ancestors were completely wiped out.

Again, I'd like to know how you rationalize Shiki seeing Arceuid's point of death. While he can't see it all the time due to the limits of his eyes and her fluctuating power levels throughout Tsukihime, it's there.

Bentley Baker
Bentley Baker

https://oneofepisodes.wordpress.com/2016/04/18/fgo-tm-ace-042016/

Yeah just, read the entire thing

Nolan Edwards
Nolan Edwards

Yeah, True Demons have, at the very least, Reality Marbles. They're crazy strong.

And all we know about Primordial Demons is that they're even more so. Supposedly they're on the same tier with Void Shiki and Arcuied. My guess is they're some cthulu esque cosmic demons or some shit.

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

Reading this thread me that the Nasuverse is pretty fucking big. As someone who only ever read the Fate serie (F/SN, F/HA, F/Z) and watched Kara no Kyoukai, what's the next logical step ?

Landon King
Landon King

Same level as void Shiki

In another interview Nasu said that void shiki was weaker than an average servant, and during the original interview you're thinking of when it said Shiki was one of the strongest, it said "*excluding servants"

Levi Long
Levi Long

Primordial Demons are probably gonna be fleshed out as Cthulhu-esque shit, yeah. Especially after Nasu fell in love with Bloodborne and Dark Souls.

Luis Hall
Luis Hall

Problem is that Nasu only gives a shit about Fate now.

Zelretch could give less a shit about these stupid Grail Wars when the 1st Grail War was essentially a Science Experiment that didn't work and nobody was actually fighting each other back then.

Luis Ortiz
Luis Ortiz

but his consciousness

Except Archetype plainly calls Crimson Moon father and she refers to him in third person. So she doesn't have his consciosness either. Trying to classify them as the same existence is what's stupid.

Yeah I'm sure

Hey it was Roa's info dump when he was acting as Nasu's mouth piece, take it out with Nasu.

rationalize Shiki seeing Arceuid's point of death

TAs can be killed with world destrying conceptual weapons. It's not impossible to conceptualize their death.

Hunter Hernandez
Hunter Hernandez

Arcueid is the mind and body of the planet. She says stopping Earth's rotation is the same as stopping her body.

She's referred as the ultimate life form on earth.

. She's the Type of another world filling the empty position that Gaia never filled on its own
Gaia couldn't create a Type so it asked the Moon for help, the moon agreed and protected Gaia in exchange of letting it live there or some bs like that

Arcueid by herself is on the same level as the first TA(Crimson Moon) as said by Nasu Nasu "There are all types of True Ancestors, strong and weak. Arcueid can stand her ground with the first True Ancestor, so she's in a league of her own. "

Archetype Earth is Arcueid being literally the Earth as she says several times and as the materials say, including pic related.

Robert Sanchez
Robert Sanchez

Extra is your first taste of how this multiverse works

Then Fate/Strange, Fate/Strange, Grand/Order, or one of the other numerous ones.

After awhile you'll get how the multiverse works; everything both is and isn't connected. The throne spans across world-lines, so the servants are all connected. F/SN alone has over 40 different alternate universes within the game alone, its not just one universe. Its infinitely branching universes that all diverge with a single choice.

Each of the stories within TM are "If this choice changed way back then, how would the world have diverged"

The difference between the three routes at all should tell you how big one difference can make to different world-lines. Its the difference between Shirou telling Saber to stop attacking Archer in the first day, or not doing that

Biggest mistake people make is thinking "Well there's Fate/Stay main universe over here, and a dozen branch off universes over there that don't mean anything", no, they're all equally close to each other and on par in a sense. There is no main world-line, its an infinite kaliedescope.

Christopher Phillips
Christopher Phillips

Hurray for Nasu retconning just about everything ever in every interview he does.

If nothing else the guy is consistent at being inconsistent.

Yep. Some Old One tier universal demons, whereas True and Imaginary Demons are limited to Earth.

William Davis
William Davis

Old Ones aren't really that universal and are more Earth-based.

Heck, a lot of them hang out on fucking Earth, willingly or unwillingly.

It is the Outer Gods that are universal.

The Great Old Ones on the other hand often fuck with humanity much more often than the apathetic Outer Gods who are more concerned with their Boss waking up and ending existence than puny humans.

Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

They are trash. Cu Alter can fight Origin Servants and Solomon can destroy all of them at the same time in less than a second.

Even Ozzy with Tentyris and Brynhild with the Anti Tokyo Rune can obliterate all of them.

Noah Russell
Noah Russell

But during the plotting stage, even though I said, “Write something with a happy ending for once,” first he asked me, “Can’t I have this character kill this other character and end it there?” and he gave me a plot that was even darker than Fate/Zero.

Dominic Smith
Dominic Smith

If I don't like it then its a retcon and Nasu FUCKED UP again, fucking hack artist, I'll just go with my original interpretation when corrected. I'm not wrong its the creator that's wrong

Except I just told you that the original interview you're thinking about that said Void was strong, had a disclaimer "Not including servants" for a reason. If they were included then suddenly Void goes way down in the rankings. There's no reason to even say that part if it doesn't change the rankings.

Its nothing but consistent, you just hate that the fact doesn't line up with what you wanted it to. Once again I'll point it out for you

Q:奈須きのこ作品全部を通して(空の境界、月姫、Fate、DDD)最強キャラトップ3を決めるとしたら誰になりますか?(石川県/聖なるパンダ)

A:マジカルアンバー(ルビーちゃん)。ネコアルク。虎。―――ではなく。
真面目な話なら1.アルクェイド、2.“両儀式”、3.原初の悪魔でしょうか。(サーヴァント除く)

Notice this part

(サーヴァント除く)

or in other words "Fucking creator retconning shit in the same sentence he originally said it".

Ryan Diaz
Ryan Diaz

He just said people seem to dislike him when he's in his adult form.

Parker Phillips
Parker Phillips

Solomon is barely on 9 tails Tamamo level, he's shit.
You realize even at 3 Tails she can solo the SF war, right?

Dylan Ortiz
Dylan Ortiz

Still a retarded retcon.

Ryan Stewart
Ryan Stewart

It was never a retcon. You just misunderstood from the beginning.

Jeremiah Long
Jeremiah Long

Solomon is barely on 9 tails Tamamo level, he's shit.

Cite another Servant who can keep up with 9T Tamamo.

Colton Price
Colton Price

Who is the strongest servant?

Elijah Diaz
Elijah Diaz

Still a retarded retcon.

Brayden Perez
Brayden Perez

Angra Manyu.

Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

John Travolta

Matthew Cooper
Matthew Cooper

(You)

Juan Ramirez
Juan Ramirez

the people around him all clapped their hands more and more loudly as his head got more and more fucked up. It might not have been such a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that his wish for the Grail was to fix his fragmented mind.
Hassan lived a hard life.

Eli Scott
Eli Scott

Is there a reason BB is wearing no clothes?

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

Gilgamesh

Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

America

Grayson Young
Grayson Young

Grand Saber

Justin Campbell
Justin Campbell

She was summoned like that

Samuel Jones
Samuel Jones

Gil's just a fucking pedophile. He's into Saber because she's supposed to be really young looking (physically locked at 13 years old).

David Howard
David Howard

BB is always fucking with people for fun, its her way of teasing the one she likes.

Jayden Sullivan
Jayden Sullivan

Implying being stronger than servants means jack shit.

Kingprotea is on the same level as 9 tails tamamo.

Jaxson Hall
Jaxson Hall

Kingprotea was said to be on the same level as golden tails white face, not Nine Tails. Get it right, since that's the difference between 100% Arc and Archetype Earth.

Kingprotea can also break stars and planets with ease

Ethan Foster
Ethan Foster

King Protea on the Moon Cell. It's unlikely King Protea on F/GO will be on that level, she'll solo Solomon.

Nathaniel Hernandez
Nathaniel Hernandez

That's just going to be Arturia, isn't it.

Cooper Stewart
Cooper Stewart

Probably this.
He's the only one ever stated to be the strongest before all these retcons.
None of these newbies have ever been called the strongest.
And he has everyone's weakness, which is what Servant battles have always been about, not powerlevels and scouters.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

Durmas - Can create fake NPs stronger than the originals
He can create Heroic Spirits too.

Sebastian Jenkins
Sebastian Jenkins

Keep telling yourself that, Gilfag.

Archer pretty much has everyone's weakness since they can't even hide their identities from him since just from their weapons, he can already make a good guess on who he is fighting.

Nasu said Gil was only good against Proper Heroic Spirits yet Fate is full of IMPROPER Heroic Spirits.

Lucas Cook
Lucas Cook

It is gonna be Monkey King.

When asked about Monkey King, Nasu said it would be difficult to introduce Monkey King to Fate despite all the characters he introduced so far so when even Nasu is having a hard time figuring out how to make Monkey King possible, it means that Monkey King is gonna be hax.

Ryan Gutierrez
Ryan Gutierrez

He said he's only good at fighting proper servants

No, he said he's good at countering proper servants, and for everything else he can mainly just crush it with raw power. Since among servants he's still near the top in destruction, since he's rated as having the fire-power of five servants.

He beat all the Alter Egos despite them being improper.

Its like the Superman being weak to magic fallacy. Its not that he's weak, its that he just doesn't have special defenses against it like he does to everything else. Magic still can't auto-beat him.

Jackson Gutierrez
Jackson Gutierrez

She's just tsundere. It's like you can't guess how Narita romances go. They are obviously going to be a couple. She doesn't take shit from him, and that's a plus, and he still orbits around her despite her rejection.

Robert Carter
Robert Carter

Yeah no, that's not how UBW works, hence why he got his ass kicked by Lancer, Saber, and Berserker.
The only weakness he has is Gil's, who happens to have everyone else's weakness.
It's not being a Gilfag, it's simply acknowledging everything outside of F/SN and F/Z to be shit.
Well Fate series was always shit, but those two were tolerable shit.

Brayden Morales
Brayden Morales

His own legend describes him as effortlessly fucking up the entire army of heaven at once and it took Buddha himself to make him behave.

He'd make a great Lancer. He even fills the narrative role of secondary protagonist (as Hanuman) alongside Arjuna.

Justin Kelly
Justin Kelly

Before the retcons

Gilgamesh has been stated as the strongest in the last year, also there are no real retcons. He was stated to be the strongest HS in recent volume of F/S.

Justin Baker
Justin Baker

That's wrong, she only stated she could become a threat to the world. Not that she was on par with Solomon. Hell, Dantes doing some bullshit in KnK was a threat to the world too.

Solomon destroyed all timelines on Earth. Amaterasu, just like everything else, ceased to exist.

Hunter Wright
Hunter Wright

keep telling yourself that
Except no, Nasu himself has stated that Gil's the strongest before the retcons, and all this new crap.
He has never called another servant, in these new Fate shit the strongest aside from Gil, regardless of whether or not the new ones are stronger.
So Gil's basically the Michael Jordan of Fate.
Maybe not the strongest in today's era, but the only one to have ever been the strongest during a time.

Aiden Kelly
Aiden Kelly

last year
When? In What?
Not even arguing, I just want the sauce on this.

Carson Fisher
Carson Fisher

Yeah, you didn't actually read what Nasu stated.

He said Gil is top among proper heroic spirits.

That is it.

Lurk more.

Carson Wilson
Carson Wilson

FUCCBOI EX. No seriously, even those who documented Gilles case couldn't be helped by getting a little gay for him.

Samuel Cook
Samuel Cook

Not him but what does lurking more have to do with the discussion at hand?

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

He's not a loli. He killed one and is using his corpse as his latest suit. That body as a fucking zipper on the back, to know it's fake.

Nicholas Roberts
Nicholas Roberts

Basically retcons.
As expected of a newfag, I bet you think these new Servants weapons are better designed than Kanshou & Bakuya.
In F/SN and F/Z there were no "improper" servants, Gil was just the strongest servant, if you actually bothered reading the original works.
Closest to improper are Angra Mainyu and Fake Assassin, both of which are far inferior to Gil.

Oliver Wilson
Oliver Wilson

The reason why he's not much of an asshole is that he remembers being beaten by Saber, actually. That automatically makes him less of a stupid fuck and his feelings for her are genuine after that.

Gabriel Thompson
Gabriel Thompson

As expected of a newfag, even Zouken in F/Z said Gilles wasn't suppose to be in the War.

As expected of an anime only pleb.

Isaac Rodriguez
Isaac Rodriguez

She said since Solomon can destroy the entire world he is on the same level as her nine tails form, that's it. Also Amaterasu just like all other Divine Spirits have no authority on the present so they cannot manifest.

Tyler Powell
Tyler Powell

Define improper servant, you autist.
Gilles was an evil spirit, like Medea, simple as that. They were only able to be summoned thanks to Angra Mainyu.
Their mechanics and abilities are no different from "proper" servants.

Daniel Stewart
Daniel Stewart

since that's the difference between 100% Arc and Archetype Earth.

Normal Arcueid needed to be nerfed to a point where Amaterasu might have a chance to beat her so if you're comparing Amaterasu to ATE then you're retarded.

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. FGO calls Counter Guardian as "fake Heroic Spirits". So Grand Servants cannot be those 7 CG.

Nasu stated that FGO has nothing to do with what he established in FSN, it's a setting he originally meant to be like Prototype. That's probably why it has religious shit mixed because Proto Grail System mixes angel choirs and the Apocalypse in a Christian sense. Primate Murder is dead because humanity no longer exists. That's why also the CF cannot do shit agaist Solomon, confirmed again in FZ event. They could only act on a non Solomon made singularity, as exception.

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

Not the same guy, but F/SN and F/Z anime are much less pleb than any of these new Fatecrap being spewed out from Nasu's asshole.
So you can't call anyone pleb if you're discussing anything involving these new material.

Landon Ross
Landon Ross

Adolf Hitler

Juan Diaz
Juan Diaz

See

Jason Martinez
Jason Martinez

Solomon didn't destroy the world. He destroyed the timelines.

Again, did you play the events and the main story? It's not a world destroyer. It's even bigger than that. Tamamo is obviously either exaggerating or is being a vapid bitch.

Kevin Ortiz
Kevin Ortiz

I don't see your source, user. It looks just like you're repeating the same desperate bullshit you take from Sup Forums. People claiming this often just repeat it like a meme. Give me a source and I believe you.

Preferably in Japanese, because he could easily be referring to what he was talking about in Prototype which has zero to do with Primate Murder or any of his nonsense. When he speaks of PM or the DAA, for example, gives me the impression they'll just be included in special events and not the main storyline.

Jace Taylor
Jace Taylor

If you travel back in time to the same timeline, the laws of causality fucks up the timeline.
Boom, timeline gone. Grandfather paradox.
Not hard, all you need is a bit of Magic and lube.
Whereas destroying the world is a lot harder.
You'll need:
A. To get Trump into office
B. A star
C. Thrusters to steer your planet into it

Austin Jenkins
Austin Jenkins

I don't think you understand, he destroyed it in a way all future would end in the same destruction. He didn't destroy the world, he destroyed the timelines, which destroyed the world everywhere.

Tamamo was probably salty he one shot her with a single look in London.

Aiden Butler
Aiden Butler

HUMAN world.

Make that correction next time, wanker.

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

If Tamamo were strong or stronger than Solomon as 9 tails, she would have been Grand Caster and she isn't, user. Shouldn't take a waifupandering noncanon interlude seriously. Nasu doesn't write them or supervise them.

Xavier Bell
Xavier Bell

Don't think you have been paying attention. scath's land of shadow which was a divine reign got BTFO too. Altera who can kill gods and gods fear her was a flunky of his. Poseidon was killed/used as by him in Okeanus.

Divine Spirits are being BTFO left and right.

Cameron Clark
Cameron Clark

Please, I don't give a shit about some F/E character, only the two OG Fate stuff matters to me (fuck, I guess I have to include the retarded F/HA cousin).
I'm just saying we should vote Trump in so he can steer this planet into the sun.

Dylan James
Dylan James

Solomon needed prep to do all that. He had to set the Grails and the demons in order to anchor Ars Almadels to all those timelines. He can't do that shit casually.

Kayden Wright
Kayden Wright

Not him but Solomon explains that the summoning system they use is based off of the Grand servant system. And Nasu has said long ago that the Servant system used in the grail wars is based on the CG system.

In the April TM Ace interview he specifically says that they were initially created to protect humanity just like CGs. There's nothing hard to understand.

Noah Perez
Noah Perez

scath's land of shadow which was a divine reign got BTFO too

Scathach's land is in between the human world and the other side.

Again, next time make the correction. Wanker.

He couldn't even reach Avalon which means he did absolutely nothing to Gaia, and things survived in the human world anyways.

Lincoln Rodriguez
Lincoln Rodriguez

From Nasu's blog. The "Grand" stuff in FGO's latest chapter originates from way back in the days of Tsukihime or even KnK.

So it's not new, he's been sitting on this for 15 years.

と言うわけでFGO、四章開始です。

まだ途中の方も多いと思われますので具体的なネタバレはなしの方向で。

FGOというタイトルに込められた意味。
月姫時代からちょこちょこ(というか空の境界からか)囁いてきた始まりの設定が
まさか15年越しに出てくる事になろうとは、神様でも思うめぇ。
自分もわりと驚いています。人生わかんねーな、と。

豆知識ですが、四章クリア後はマイルームのマテリアル→霊基一覧から
ボスの詳細も見れます。
また、13節ラストの表情指定が反映されていなかったので
次のパッチで正しい演出意図に更新されると思います。
修正が入り次第、既にクリアされた方もマイルームから
読み直してもらえれば幸い……幸いなのじゃ……

Blake Lopez
Blake Lopez

You're comparing apples and oranges. Because you forget that in that same interview, Nasu confirmed it's not FSN system but the one in Prototype which is different.

In the April TM Ace interview he specifically says that they were initially created to protect humanity just like CGs.

That was originally his concept for Heroic Spirits and how Prototype was being written. Heroic Spirits were kind of like angels. Counter Guardians are just shitty fake Heroic Spirits, in FGO canon. FSN system is based on what you say. But FGO system is based on FP. Don't compare one thing with the other. They might be similar, but they aren't the same. Mixing Primate Murder here and thinking CG which are far weaker than real Heroic Spirits have anything to do with this is fairly foolish.

Julian White
Julian White

A weak and depowered Poseidon who was beaten by Drake, also it had nohing to do with him given that was an old tale from Drake.

Solomon never fights a Divine Spirit at full power. Stop wanking faggot.

Xavier Moore
Xavier Moore

That says nothing of Grand Servants or Counter Guardians. Where they fuck did you extrapolate that?

Zachary Richardson
Zachary Richardson

HAHAHAHA SOLOMONFAGS FULL ON HEADCANON

Literally meme character, why the fuck did I believe what they said.

Grayson Hall
Grayson Hall

This is literally jetfag tier. Everything you said is a straight up lie or completely out of context, or both.

Caleb Lopez
Caleb Lopez

A weak and depowered Poseidon
Never was stated he was weak and depowered. Drake beat him because gods are shit anyway.

Aaron Long
Aaron Long

I don't get how the systems are supposed to be that significantly different considering that the Fuyuki grail war happened.

Isaiah Hughes
Isaiah Hughes

So it's not new, he's been sitting on this for 15 years.

He wanted to do the singularity bullshit in Prototype. This has nothing to do with a post FSN Interview, he's speaking about his beginnings rather. Originally, it was Manaka and Beast of Revelation who were going to do what Solomon was going to do with his harem of demons and shadow Servants (which Manaka was going to summon too). Only without making it so big (the only singularity was going to be Camelot). He just took his Proto idea and made it bigger.

There's nothing about PM, it's all about his original idea of Fate. Before Takeuchi made him genderswap Arthur and change a lot and he created . It's chuuni teenage Nasu at his best with chuuni religious references.

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

Gods aren't supposed to manifest in the current world. The fact Poseidon even managed to manifest during Drake's time way after the Age of Gods in a time with physics incompatible with the AoG and when humans no longer worship him is impressive.

Joseph Edwards
Joseph Edwards

This. The Age of the Gods ended, and with it went the vast majority of Gods and their powers. Those that are left live outside reality and are much weaker now.

Landon Lee
Landon Lee

The Grand Servants are explicitly made to combat threats like Primate Murder though. While you can argue otherwise it's really not hard to make the connection.

Aaron Lopez
Aaron Lopez

Even the interviewer made the connection.

Luis Cruz
Luis Cruz

Fuyuki Grail War happened but it's not the same like in FSN. Same with Fate/Zero war (and Waver pointed out it was different, Roman clarified it too).

The system used and based on FGO is heavily Christian (allusions to angels, demons, Heaven are all in there). Heroic Spirits remember their summon clearly, for example, while it was impossible in FSN and Saber was an exception. But that quote that person posted from his blog isn't speaking about this interview, he's talking about the original Fate setting, before he wrote FSN, in the time of Tsukihime and Knk.

Singularities. Beast Servant. Foundation of Humanity. Servants as Angelic-like Entities. Shadow Servants as summons from the Grail(s) controlled by the bad guy, not necessary those who were bathed in Angra Mainyu's mud. All of this was already present in Fate/Prototype draft note.

I think you should just stop trying to make it seem like if Grand Servants are Counter Guardians when the canon in FGO is that CG are mere fake Heroic Spirits. Nothing else. As for the Primate Murder, we don't know if it'll appear and how, so using a quote from an interview and try to force your interpretation as 'canon' is pretty jumping the gun, without considering he's changed the rules. Roman confirmed in FZ event that the Counter Force is unable to interfere with Solomon, for example, and this was a big assumption from the fanbase that is the CF which is helping. It's not. It's very hinted to be Merlin the one who summons the extra Servants to help (you).

Asher Clark
Asher Clark

They could be. They could be not. Untill Primate Murder and DAA are introduced, you shouldn't state that as a fact which is what bothers me. More about this here

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

It's because of the contradictory nature of a "Heroic Spirit Assassin". The mark of a perfect assassin is absolute anonymity. If you can kill someone, leave behind absolutely no evidence and make it pretty much impossible for anyone to learn your identity to the point where it's literally impossible to leave your name behind in history, that's when you can call yourself the greatest assassin.

Conversely, the more famous an assassin is, the shittier they were at their job. It doesn't matter how skilled they were, the fact that they actually gained fame as a result of their actions is proof of their inadequacy as assassins. That's why, to the Holy Grail, someone like Li Shuwen is a shitty assassin. He's an amazing martial artist and killer, but he became too famous to be considered a proper assassin.

This logic, however, creates a contradiction. If the greatest assassins are completely anonymous, then they cannot become Heroic Spirits and thus cannot be summoned by the Grail. The Fuyuki Grail, thus, has a compromise where it summons the "origin" of assassins, the Hassans. However, the Hassans are not true Heroic Spirits, as they were never properly recorded into the Throne. They are closer to wraiths, much like the nameless Assassin of the Fifth Heaven's Feel who took on the role of Sasaki Kojirou. Incidentally, Gilles from the Fourth War was also a wraith and not a proper Hero.

John Hernandez
John Hernandez

Read the context, it's talking about the London chapter where the Grand Servants and original summoning system are referenced.

Lucas James
Lucas James

By the time he wrote KnK and Tsukihime, the Fate that existed is Fate Prototype.

Aaron Nguyen
Aaron Nguyen

interviewer making the connection between primate murder and the old 7 guardians countering them
nobunaga tweeting he wanted to spaz about primate murder in the first live broadcast after playing london
only english speakers think that blog post is talking about something else

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith

If 7 Counter guardians can take PM, then a Grand Servant could with the back turned.

Oliver Gomez
Oliver Gomez

The interviewer didn't make a connection, he only asked if they were going to feature.

Grayson Cox
Grayson Cox

Foundation of Chaldea's summoning system is "A place where heroes gather" potentially using a piece of the round table as part of the catalyst to create the system.

There have been three successful summonings in the history of Chaldea to date before MC came along. MC seems to use Mashu's shield which is the core of the round table to summon people.

The Fuyuki system only had one war in Chaldea time-line, and it was the fifth war. Arguably Chaldea created their summoning system first here.

Hunter Torres
Hunter Torres

english speakers being caught up in semantics
nasu looks like he is using 守護者 in two different ways and only came up with a different word to differentiate them more than ten years later

Sebastian Gonzalez
Sebastian Gonzalez

There's no need to be vague about it. I clearly remember Mashu talking about the throne of heroes.

Jackson Sanders
Jackson Sanders

Seems obvious that they don't really put limits on their summoning system like the Fuyuki system tried to do as well. Fuyuki system only wanted to summon these few particular things, while Chaldea is happy to summon almost anything in the throne.

Because its no longer limited we're seeing all kinds of strange shit now. Anti-heroes, fake heroes, or otherwise.

There's a lot of crazy shit in the throne in reality, and the only thing stopping it from being summoned normally is that it would just be very uphill to find a catalyst for such a thing.

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

I think that after coming up with the Moon Cell and all the stiff it allowed Nasu simply didn't want to go back to the more limited and simpler system like in FSN.

What they have in Chaldea seems like it's halfway between Fuyuki system and the Moon Cell.

Brody Williams
Brody Williams

And it's all connected to Merlin (you can see the glimpses of Avalon in the OP of FGO). It looks like this is Merlin's and Solomon's advanced chess with heroes with the timeline as their board.

The Fuyuki system only had one war in Chaldea time-line, and it was the fifth war.

There was a war, but this isn't the war of FSN, so the system is different. It's already confirmed by Zero event.

He uses 守護者 specifically with what we translated as Counter Guardian. If he meant Heroic Spirits, he'll say 英霊. He never mixes them, he's not a secondary, after all. And are referred as "呼ばれる英霊もどき." That's why I tell you to not try to put Guardians in level of Heroic Spirits, because Nasu evidently doesn't.

I have no doubts that PM is one of the threats the Grand Servants might deal with, but, going by Nasu's own words, if 7 of these mocks Heroic Spirits can deal with him, I frankly doubt that it needs more than a Grand to put the dog down.

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