Did they ever do anything right with the anime they dubbed?

Camden Taylor
Camden Taylor

Did they ever do anything right with the anime they dubbed?

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Alexander Long
Alexander Long

The One Piece rap.

Isaiah Barnes
Isaiah Barnes

Pokemon had some pretty good voice acting, their actors seemed to be passionate about their roles.

Alexander Hughes
Alexander Hughes

dubs

Owen Kelly
Owen Kelly

it's easy to make up catchy songs aimed at children.

Mason Russell
Mason Russell

this

you only got singles, senpai. OP got dubs

Noah Lewis
Noah Lewis

National anthem

Adrian Kelly
Adrian Kelly

Openings.

I still watch 4kids anime openings. Voice acting wasnt terrible either. 4kids just had stupid censor policies.

Daniel Ross
Daniel Ross

YA YO YA YOOOOOOOOO

Bentley Hernandez
Bentley Hernandez

not those dubs retard

Lucas Murphy
Lucas Murphy

Pokemon theme song?

Lincoln Campbell
Lincoln Campbell

The openings.

Pokemon voice cast.

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

Dan Green?

Luis Wood
Luis Wood

It was a pretty good rap, it was memorable

Jace Lewis
Jace Lewis

BIG BAD BOYS FROM OUTER SPACE,

Asher Campbell
Asher Campbell

kek, check these dubs

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

I did

Dylan Brooks
Dylan Brooks

Localizing onigiri to jelly donut.

Tyler Kelly
Tyler Kelly

I'll never understand why they replaced the animal noises pokemon make sometimes for their names.

Nicholas Foster
Nicholas Foster

probably to make them sound cuter

it's only the cute pokes that say their names while the non-cute ones still grunt in animal noises

Jose Wood
Jose Wood

Ultimate Muscle's OP

Eli Bell
Eli Bell

Made a hermaphrodite a woman and gave her the tit she was missing.

Connor Myers
Connor Myers

And in that time they still managed to slip some dirty jokes into the script, shit was awesome.

Aiden Gomez
Aiden Gomez

can we credit fighting evil by moonlight to them? It was a catchy op

Jeremiah Ramirez
Jeremiah Ramirez

There were plenty of pokemon in the 4kids dub that used their grunt and groans. Charizard is a good example.

Justin Anderson
Justin Anderson

Great tier
Pokémon (S1)
Ultimate Muscle
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Good tier
Shaman King
Yu-gi-oh (S1-5)

Acceptable tier
One Piece
Magical DoReMi
Cubix: Robots for Everyone
F-Zero: GP Legend
Pokémon (S2)
WInx Club
Fighting Foodons

Bad tier
Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
Sonic X
Chaotic
Pokémon (S3 onwards)

Shit tier
Mew Mew Power
Dinosaur King

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

Dan Green was awesome as Yugi. The guy put so much passion in whatever both Yugi's said, I respect that.

Asher Thomas
Asher Thomas

with the anime they dubbed

Jason Smith
Jason Smith

Did I make a mistake? What didn't they dub in that list?

Angel Rodriguez
Angel Rodriguez

A bunch of those aren't anime.

Jacob Thomas
Jacob Thomas

Shit, you're right, I need sleep

Consider those general voice acting tiers then and just pick out the anime for the sake of discussion

James Howard
James Howard

Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
Bad tier

the soundtrack was a loss but it was honestly pretty good

Thomas Evans
Thomas Evans

Because the cries at least in early gens were horrifying screeches that make you want to put them out of their misery.

Blake Wright
Blake Wright

Spanish MK
Hick Texan Dedede

Irredeemable

Ian Young
Ian Young

Bad tier
Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
Nigga what

Logan Russell
Logan Russell

Zoro's voice actor in 4kids was perfect. I really with funi had brought him back for their dub.

Grayson Robinson
Grayson Robinson

see

Tyler Morris
Tyler Morris

SHE HAS THE ONE NAME SAILOR MOON

Sebastian Jackson
Sebastian Jackson

UL-TI-MATE MUSCLE

David Ward
David Ward

I NEED A MONSTA TO CLOBBER DAT DER KIRBEH

Jeremiah Gonzalez
Jeremiah Gonzalez

Sonic was a good anime

Nathan Parker
Nathan Parker

Japanese characters
Singing the US national anthem
Voiced by Canadians

Angel Rodriguez
Angel Rodriguez

LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK BEYOND

YOU COULD MAKE AN UNBREAKABLE BOND

Aaron Cox
Aaron Cox

They kept the original soundtrack for Pokemon. Funi couldn't even be arsed to do that with DBZ.

Jace Fisher
Jace Fisher

Duel Monsters had great music

the dub was alright

Charles Reyes
Charles Reyes

Fuck, I did not think that show had made that much of an impression on me, but I heard it clear as day.

Nathan Rogers
Nathan Rogers

https://youtu.be/sfXdyqqWoKI

Ryan Price
Ryan Price

I thought 4kids VA's were based out of New York?

Anyway they did right by Pokemon, and were really good at merchandising, then they pissed it all away because they were bad at making their own content and franchises. Their stock price is hilarious to look at

Kayden Peterson
Kayden Peterson

coughcoughFranklinRooseveltcoughcoughJapaneseinternmentcough

Henry Campbell
Henry Campbell

https://youtu.be/IVmtUK_1jh4
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https://youtu.be/8qLl145FqQg

A lot of their openings are still very memorable years later.

Adam Fisher
Adam Fisher

fuuuuck

I gotta find me some Fighting Foodons now

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

TMNT
dub
But it IS one of the best things that was released under the 4kids name.

Levi Bailey
Levi Bailey

Yeah, I fucked up
see

No MOM I'm still not sleeping

TMNT probably gets my vote for best work overall, though

Lincoln Wilson
Lincoln Wilson

Ultimate Muscle is full of 11/10 puns.
For how much they censor other shows I'm really suprised they were able to make every character a super stereotype like the smelly frenchmen or the mexican dirt farmer with 13 kids.

Jason Lee
Jason Lee

Chaotic was actually good, and the plot was going places. Its a shame it failed.

Colton Wright
Colton Wright

They censored the gay

Logan Ortiz
Logan Ortiz

Zoro's voice was the only one I could tolerate in the 4Kids dub. Imagine how well he could've done as Zoro if a better voice director was involved.

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

https://youtu.be/CwqQGf6WqY4

The entirety of the yugioh dub.

Charles Campbell
Charles Campbell

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
GENERATION NEXT!

Julian Russell
Julian Russell

I was okay with them removing "Chaser's" cigars. Now the smoke coming from his mouth looked a badass Devil Fruit side effect.

Bentley Jackson
Bentley Jackson

The openings are almost always catchy and even if the dubs are horrendous, they're fun to look back on.

Owen Ward
Owen Ward

No such thing as an anime dubbed right.

Jordan Torres
Jordan Torres

You missed YGO GX (bad tier).

Holy shit, Cubix was 4Kids? I've been thinking of watching it, was it any good? I only saw like a couple of episodes when my little bro used to watch it.

Lincoln Long
Lincoln Long

Why isn't Lynn Skywalker black?

Jordan Mitchell
Jordan Mitchell

TMNT was the only good thing they did. People who say Pokemon or YGO are just blinded by nostalgia. YGO especially.

Forgot they had Doremi. Hilarious they changed a guy kidnapping a girl to her uncle giving her a ride or something stupid, i forget. Like the YGO scene where they change a guy trying to rape Anzu to some homeless mugger

Matthew Kelly
Matthew Kelly

I thought GX being awful was common knowledge :^)

As for Cubix, I enjoyed it a lot as a kid but I really doubt it'd still have the same charm now

I still have my Burger King flapping Dondon toy though

Parker Moore
Parker Moore

Cubix has aged like shit in every aspect, from the voice acting, to the visuals, it's painful to go back and watch.
The source material is also korean if I remember correctly.

GX has it's own weird charm, the dub is like watching an overly campy college movie.

David Lewis
David Lewis

They were great at making natural dialogue, and when they weren't focused on changing content, it was accurate to the original text's intent.

Nah, that was DIC.

Cooper Stewart
Cooper Stewart

Mew Mew Power was the first time I got mad about a dub/localization. It was a milestone for me.

Jordan Morris
Jordan Morris

Shaman King opening theme

LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK BEYOND

James Cox
James Cox

fighting foodons
holy FUCK

Andrew Moore
Andrew Moore

Of course, he was Guts.

Sebastian Walker
Sebastian Walker

YO-HO-HO HE TOOK A BITE OF GUM GUM

Isaiah Baker
Isaiah Baker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfJuJrqFhXM

James Davis
James Davis

It's still clearly saying 'Lizardon' though.

Zachary Martin
Zachary Martin

Silly user, his proper american name is Zolo.

Easton Jones
Easton Jones

To be fair, their Pokemon dub (as crap as it was) initially had relatively decent voice acting. It got worse later on, but it had that campy feel which, though bad, made it kind of funny.

Also, they gave the world this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYeHPFR3f0

Jonathan Lopez
Jonathan Lopez

'sub sandwiches' replacing rice balls

No, fuck you. 4kids is cancer of the highest order.

Justin Carter
Justin Carter

I always forget that Digimon wasn't 4kids.

Juan Smith
Juan Smith

Jelly donut

Nathan Roberts
Nathan Roberts

It's fucking retarded. The entire company is cancer.

Oliver Ramirez
Oliver Ramirez

Digimon
Was this any good? I've been meaning to get around to watching it.

Noah Wright
Noah Wright

TMNT
Great tier
10/10 taste, user. Only good thing they ever did.

Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

Watch Tamers subbed.

Joseph Cooper
Joseph Cooper

TMNT was voiced by them
It's weird. Such quality by them.

I miss them. What happened to them?

Kevin James
Kevin James

one piece 4kids
acceptable

In what world is https://youtu.be/ihaJdNzryXA acceptable?

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

If I'm ever going to watch it, I'll watch the whole thing. Same deal with Pokemon (which I'm also thinking of watching).

Jaxon Torres
Jaxon Torres

they never watched casey and friends

Luke Roberts
Luke Roberts

Not liking Hick Texan Dedede
Surely you jestin'?

Hudson Gomez
Hudson Gomez

Pokemon is shit. The newest development is the the crowdsourced hot shit pokemon is literally fused with Ash. It's hot garbage.

Henry Fisher
Henry Fisher

I really liked Robin's country accent and Sanjji's new york (?) accent

Colton Myers
Colton Myers

You're a tasteless retard.

Jack Miller
Jack Miller

Probably just a burger.

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

What does that have to do with anything?

Samuel Stewart
Samuel Stewart

Tautology.

Noah Walker
Noah Walker

Their take on Team Rocket were legitamately funny and they had some great lines.
And Jessie's voice was sexy as hell, god damn.

Ryan Walker
Ryan Walker

Get over yourself. You just hate America.

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

muh dick

kys

Caleb Walker
Caleb Walker

No, just the tasteless people on it.

Lucas Green
Lucas Green

on it

Learn English, you uneducated piece of shit.

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

The landmass you sperg.

Easton Russell
Easton Russell

You would say "in it." I can understand your confusion because you're a retarded European.

Andrew Sanchez
Andrew Sanchez

Adventure has no business being as good as it is, being promotional material for bunch of games.
It's really good, watch it subbed.

Juan Perez
Juan Perez

Changing the characters names (Ash, Misty, etc) in Pokemon at least was a good thing.

From a 'localizing for kids' point of view.

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

What's your fucking point?

Anthony Murphy
Anthony Murphy

What's your fucking point?
The thread start is "Did they ever do anything right with the anime they dubbed?"
Okay.

Jose Edwards
Jose Edwards

And Pikachu's VA. And Pikachu's name too.

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

JELLY FILLED DONUTS

Zachary Baker
Zachary Baker

They kept the original soundtrack for Pokemon.
What? No they didn't. Every single episode had changed music. Usually "just" most of the tracks, but sometimes all of them. The first movie was entirely rescored. And when they weren't swapping out a Japanese track for an in-house one, they were adding in music where there was silence in the original version.

Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

You will never have Jessie's legs wrapped around her neck.

Nolan Fisher
Nolan Fisher

This.

James Lopez
James Lopez

POPCORN BALLS

Luis Parker
Luis Parker

Well shit. I know the movies were all changed, but I could've sworn the TV series mostly kept the original score.

Brody Miller
Brody Miller

When pokemon was airing here in the states my local donut shop actually made some jelly filled donuts like looked like onigiri. So as a kid I never knew the rice balls were "censored" since the owners were secret weebs (later found out they collected a shit ton of figures) and cashed in on the pokemon hype.

David Adams
David Adams

There's some crazy guy who spent several years documenting the changes 4kids made to Pokémon, including the number of times they changed the OST. The number of original Japanese tracks in a given episode usually numbered in a single digit. He doesn't do it anymore but many OS and AG episodes are written up.

Andrew King
Andrew King

Pretty sure they did that in the original, I recall a Misdreavus going "Muma"

Luke Stewart
Luke Stewart

watching GX dubbed

Robert Harris
Robert Harris

cigars aren't cool

Elijah Nelson
Elijah Nelson

Both of these is why the dub is excellent.

Kevin White
Kevin White

POT OF GREED ALLOWS ME TO DRAW TWO CARDS FROM MY DECK

Robert Murphy
Robert Murphy

The rubber knife was funny as hell.

Henry Fisher
Henry Fisher

MY BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGOOOOOOOOOOON

Hudson Martin
Hudson Martin

Shaman king had a pretty good dub, now if only they had it uncensored with the dub

Nathan Miller
Nathan Miller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FWBFq3QEPI
There it is.

Ethan James
Ethan James

Tell that to TPCi

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

YOU AND ME ARE CLOSER THAN BROTHERS

AND NOW WE HAVE TO FIGHT EACH OTHER

William Powell
William Powell

I only watched maybe 3 episodes of One Piece when I was a kid and that song is still stuck in my head years later. What the fuck

Jose Taylor
Jose Taylor

I agree: 4Kids' actors were by far superior to TPCi's when it comes to Ash and the others. Veronica Taylor, Rachael Lillis, Maddie Blaustein and Eric Stuart were pitch perfect in their roles.

Pokemon Movies 4-8 were literally uncut and kept 99% of the Japanese music (the 4Kids dub of the Movies got BETTER over the course, not worse). They also had excellent voice actors for it, too, way better than their TPCi replacements who are ear-bleedingly bad.

Pokemon (S3 onwards) is great tier dubbed, what the heck are you talking about? They still kept much of the Japanese music (even in AG, more than TPCi did in BF and XY), the script was honestly faithful to the original quite a bit (and when it wasn't, they slipped in humor like "It might finally stop all of Jessie's...complaining," and "I'm a flaming Moltres"), and the voice acting was honestly improved from S1. Veronica Taylor's Ash got notably better over her run (unlike Sarah Natochenny, who has gotten progressively worse).

Also One Piece is shit tier, that's an AWFUL dub.

No, their Pokemon dub of the 6th Movie is literally 100% uncut, it's not nostalgia- 4Kids even kept the Japanese ending "Make a Wish" for god sakes. The current TPCi dub has always been very bad, and has become even worse over the course: TPCi keep less of the Japanese music than 4Kids did nowadays in XY, too, and have their own berries = apples and veggies censorship lately.

They had good voice actors for Yu-Gi-Oh, admittedly.

Jayden Morales
Jayden Morales

4Kids kept the rice balls quite a bit, too, in their Pokemon dub, so don't jump to conclusions like that. It was only sometimes they did that stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJHtPRXrv_Q

Regardless, their worst censorship has nothing on TPCi, who pulled this shit with their Pokemon dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgs4_8fu2U.

Josiah Brooks
Josiah Brooks

If the new Yugioh movie doesn't have Dan Green and Eric Stuart it's going to be hard for me to watch it.

Parker Wood
Parker Wood

DREAMING

DON'T GIVE IT UP LUFFY

Nicholas Thompson
Nicholas Thompson

TPCi has shit themes, shit VAs, shit script, and horrible UFO dub music. 4Kids had based themes, great VAs, decent script, and kept most of the Japanese music anyway.

Say what you guys will, but Pokemon was WAY better dubbed by 4Kids than what TPCi's done to it.

Like, what the fuck is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de9hJBD1loU

That's not even a theme: it's something a garage band did 2 days before the Series aired, and they recycled the same 3 lines.

Easton Hernandez
Easton Hernandez

They actually improved the Yugioh soundtrack in some places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYcn5BLop3w

John Baker
John Baker

Dan Green had a pretty damn suave and boss voice for Yami and Eric Stuart nailed the dark mood of Seto Kaiba as far as the English dub of Duel Monsters good.

4Kids had some great voice actors for Pokemon & Yu-Gi-Oh, honestly. Their TPCi and Odex equivalents are horrific in comparison.

(And honestly, their Pokemon dub was way better than the current one).

It's a shame all their voice acting get lumped into the shit pile because of shit they did with Sonic, One Piece, etc.

Christopher Fisher
Christopher Fisher

I still believe that Music to Duel By is the greatest anime soundtrack ever made.

VIRTUAL SYSTEMS READY

Kevin Perry
Kevin Perry

They did have one dub theme I actually preferred over the Duel Monsters OST, admittedly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0LeCqymEw

That said, Pokemon was the best thing 4Kids ever did, easily.

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

https://youtu.be/QPDlwDX8haQ?t=4m45s

The yugioh dubs for the first and second generations.
They still fly out voice actors to the world championships every year to narrate fake duels for fun.

Ian Hill
Ian Hill

The pokemon say their japanese names in the japanese version too.
The difference is they make it sound more animalistic rather than straight saying their names.

For example Charizard roars Lizardon.

Gabriel Wilson
Gabriel Wilson

WATCH OUT FOR SHREDDER

Charles Smith
Charles Smith

-Putting Dan Green and Veronica Taylor on the map.
-Giving children their first boners.
-Indirectly making a case for wanting uncut shows and making Funimation and Saban look like the "good cops" to their "bad cop."

Christian Brooks
Christian Brooks

forgetting cardcaptors

Remember how they cut like 40% of that show's episodes and completely changed what was left?

Aiden Adams
Aiden Adams

Their Yu-Gi-Oh DM dub had decent casting and was okay in it's own right.

Not like Yu-Gi-Oh anime is any good anyways, read the manga faggot.

Andrew Long
Andrew Long

Pokemon: the 4Kids dub is much better than the TPCi dub.

Even at its worst, the 4Kids dub kept more of the Japanese music, the voice acting was much better, and the script writing wasn't a bunch of Team Rocket rhyming/alliterating back and forth.

They did: they even kept Iwark (Onix's) cry.

Initially? It had excellent voice acting throughout its run, and it got better for mostly everyone, especially Taylor's Ash. The only actual exception and complaint I could even make about that (and that's pushing it a LOT) is Stuart's James got goofier in AG, but even then, Stuart's worst James is way better than the bland, phoned in performance Lewis gave in the first 7.5 episodes and especially the horrible sounding James Cathcart's James, who if you don't know, makes him sounding like a goofy old man with a head cold.

Also, their Pokemon dub actually got better if you ask me in terms of how the Movies were dubbed- Movie 1 was butchered, but Movie 6 was extremely faithfully dubbed, along with Movie 8. Season 3 also kept more of the Japanese music than Season 1 in the dub, too, so know that.

Christian Martin
Christian Martin

That's what makes them good

Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

They kept MORE of the original soundtrack for Pokemon than TPCi, is what I think he meant, which is true as of XY.

Not true: Movies 4-8 kept almost all the Japanese OST, but yes, Seasons 1-3 kept more than 3/4 of it. Even at its worst, they kept 1/3-1/2 of it in Seasons 4-8.

Andrew Thomas
Andrew Thomas

Why is the soundtrack changed anyways? I'm guessing legal reasons?

Dominic Russell
Dominic Russell

They had good voice actors for Yu-Gi-Oh, admittedly.

I still think Seto Kaiba's 4kids dub voice was better then the Jap voice.

Nicholas Howard
Nicholas Howard

Their Pokemon dub was solid, too, great casting compared to the terrible TPCi dub we have now.

Honestly, I never understood the criticism 4Kids gets for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh aside from censorship (and music replacement in YGO's case). They had excellent voice actors for those Series.

TMNT 2003 is great and all, but it honestly pales in comparison, IMO: it's darker and edgier, true, but some casting choices were a bit meh.

Jayden Sullivan
Jayden Sullivan

tfw played yugioh (the card game) as a 10-11 year old.

This was too fun. The boys from my neigbourhood were all on this shit...and the best players even held cross-neighbourhood duels - where they played YGO on a specially prepared table and each team was cheering for their side as they were eating icecream...

can you imagine how silly this would look today?

Samuel Brooks
Samuel Brooks

Their Pokemon dub was solid, too
Eh, it wasn't too great in the initial episodes especially with Ash, who sounded like a kid attempting a man voice, but it really did level out later on.

Liam Martinez
Liam Martinez

He was also Brock (Takeshi) and James (Kojiro) in the 4Kids dub of Pokemon, and let me just say, he did a far better job than his TPCi dub replacements who voice them now- Brock & James in the English dub that airs now both sound like old men, when actually Brock is a teen and James is a young man.

Based Eric Stuart, though I'd say he was on par with Kenjiro Tsuda, myself, as Kaiba. The dub made Kaiba more aloof and a dick, so Stuart did well for what he was given, IMO.

I actually think Pegasus' 4Kids dub voice was better than the Jap one, too, the Jap one goes "DESUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" a lot and it's annoying.

Michael Miller
Michael Miller

Christ, be gentle Sup Forums, I didn't mean to use so ellipses.

David Cook
David Cook

The dub made Kaiba more aloof and a dick

Then it was accurate. Kaiba is a complete asshole with a heart of gold that only cares about protecting those closest to him. If Kaiba had to choose between the lives of 1000 strangers or having his little brother suffer a small injury, Kaiba would sacrifice the 1000 lives.

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

I agree, but it improved a lot over time, though, in terms of the voice acting (and in terms of the dialogue, which was consistently entertaining). Only James' VA got worse, but even then, he's still better than his current English VA who sounds like a stuffed up old man who is goofy instead. Also, the current VA for made all of Team Rocket his fucking bitch with constant rhymes and alliterations out the ass- also, he makes Ash spout outdated slang, too.

Regardless, I'll take Taylor's worst Ash in those first 16 or so Kanto episodes over the chain smoking woman Natochenny Ash that has replaced her. It doesn't help that Ash's current VA can't fucking emote worth a shit, either, her "laughing" and "crying" make me cringe:

Natochenny's laugh is literally "A-ha-ha-ha":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elUa94X-TSU

Natochenny's crying is GIRLY on a BOY character:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKr4vXPXyqM

Jack Howard
Jack Howard

The 4Kids Duel Monsters dub was pretty solid, in all honesty, I agree: all it needed was the Japanese OST like 4Kids' Pokemon and Dinosaur King dubs to be relatively solid.

It's shit like their One Piece, Sonic X, and Kirby dubs I've got no defense for: I'm surprised people liked Kirby's dub, actually.

Hunter Morales
Hunter Morales

The soundtrack is changed to make royalties when the dub is outsourced to other countries so that the dubbers make more profit on it than the Japanese do.

On that note, TPCi butchering the music worse than 4Kids ever did in Pokemon (and generally shitty VA and dialogue work included) makes me wonder how someone can do a worse dub than 4Kids did, but TPCi have fucking done it.

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

4K's One Piece had pretty bad VAs for the Straw Hats, Zoro the lone exception. What I liked from them was most of their villain voices, they had better ones than Funimation had.

But fuck their script, nothing good can be said of that.

Henry Kelly
Henry Kelly

4Kids One Piece is the worst butchery the company ever did: Zoro was the only good VA, I agree. Chopper was mediocre, but the rest were god-awful.

Luffy, Sanji, and Usopp's 4Kids voices were particularly terrible if you ask me.

If you were to make a scale, I'd put 4Kids Pokemon on one end and One Piece on the other hand, that's how differently I feel their dubs' quality was they put out. Some of the stuff 4Kids did was honestly genuinely decent, but shit like One Piece deserves no defense. Not to mention Laboon the Iceberg or "ICY DUH RIVER" either.

Easton Peterson
Easton Peterson

Shit list: let me correct you and tell you the objectively true ranking of 4Kids dubs.

God Tier

Pokémon (S1-S3, M4-8)

Great Tier

Ultimate Muscle
TMNT 2003
Pokemon (S4-S8, M1-3)
Dinosaur King

Acceptable Tier

Yu-Gi-Oh (Seasons 1-5)
F-Zero: GP Legend
Cubix: Robots for Everyone
Chaotic

Bad Tier

Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
Winx Club

Shit Tier

Sonic X
Mew Mew Power
One Piece
Magical DoReMi

Thomas Gonzalez
Thomas Gonzalez

Same goes for Veronica Taylor as Ash: so much better than Sarah Natochenny's lifeless, chain smoker take we get nowadays.

Really, 4Kids did alright with casting as far as Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh go in my book. I actually love their Pokemon cast compare to the current one, who have made my ears bleed profusely over the last decade or so. The script is also 4K One Piece tier in the TPCi Pokemon dub, and their intros are garbage, especially the DP Rap and the XYZ theme: not helping is the fact 4Kids kept more of the Japanese music than the TPCi dub at this point.

And if people think Dan Green was bad as Yugi (which he wasn't, he was great!), they need to listen to Chuck Powers' cancerous take in the Odex dub. He sounds like a surfer dude, not even kidding. Say what you will, but Dan Green nailed the shy insecurity of Yugi and the courageousness of Yami Yugi- I could easily compare him to Shunsuke Kazama in the role, especially in Season 1.

How? Heck, I prefer 4Kids' dubs of Pokemon & Yu-Gi-Oh over the TPCi dub and Odex dubs, but I don't see what defense there is for their Kirby dub at all.

The only good thing about the Kirby dub is that 4Kids kept Kirby's Japanese voice. Tuff sounded fucking terrible, like 4Kids Coby and TPCi Max, and that voice is harmful to the ears.

Ted Lewis was a great Giovanni and Bakura, but that Texan Dedede take? Hell no.

Heck, Eric Stuart was a phenomenal Brock and James as well as Kaiba, but the Spanish Meta Knight shit was cringe-worthy!

Grayson Torres
Grayson Torres

Putting Sonic X in shit tier
when it had some great voice acting

Jonathan King
Jonathan King

BTW, fun fact is Ash's current VA in Pokemon does smoke cigarettes for those of you who don't know: jesus christ, TPCi has some of the worst actors I've ever had. They make 4Kids actors sound like FUNi actors.

Daniel Lopez
Daniel Lopez

ULTIMATE MUSCLE!

Grayson Lewis
Grayson Lewis

great voice acting
OVERemphASIS by JAY-SON GRiFFiTH in all his lines as Sonic
That whiny fake Cream voice
Annoying Lisa Ortiz valley girl Amy Rose voice
Tails' sore throat woman voice by Amy Palant

The only good voice actor in the 4Kids Sonic Era was honestly Mike Pollock as Eggman. I suppose Griffith's Shadow was OK, too, but the rest was shit VA work.

This coming from the guy who actually liked some 4K dubs to a degree, man, I'm sorry but that dub has held up about as well as FUNi's initial take on DBZ.

It's better than the One Piece dub, but I mean, that takes nothing to outdo.

One of 4Kids better efforts, though it doesn't top POKEMON.

Nicholas Morgan
Nicholas Morgan

No amount of good voice acting can make up for removing live and learn from the final battle.

Isaiah Thomas
Isaiah Thomas

You're taking children cartoons too far, are you a literal wizard?

Jace Gomez
Jace Gomez

Objectively true ranking of 4Kids voice actors:

Great Tier

Veronica Taylor
Eric Stuart
Rachael Lillis
Maddie Blaustein
Amy Birnbaum
Dan Green
Wayne Grayson
Frank Frankson
Sam Riegel

Acceptable Tier

Ted Lewis
Lisa "Same Voice" Ortiz
Erica Schroeder (Except Luffy, that's shit tier)

Shit Tier

Jason Griffith (Nice person, though)
Amy Palant

Cancer Tier

David Moo
All the other literal who's 4Kids had in some of their dubs

Liam Peterson
Liam Peterson

I'm just saying 4Kids' Pokemon had better dubbing than TPCi Pokemon, is all, that's my point. Otherwise, I could give less a crap.

It's so underrated: try listening to 60 year old man with cold James for hundreds of episodes or mad scientist Oak and then tell me TPCi haven't messed up Pokemon worse than 4Kids ever did.

Caleb Hall
Caleb Hall

Sonic X's dub had terrible voice acting regardless, so I agree. 4Kids had much better dubs than that, honestly- that was without a doubt one of their worst.

Mason Price
Mason Price

The one good think I'll say is their original openings were pretty catchy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I61RdIMqfuQ

Dominic Roberts
Dominic Roberts

That's a shit intro, honestly, by 4Kids' standards.

These are awesome 4Kids intros, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8pj9EwjNjw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb3ggoyqXmU

That said, even Kirby's 4Kids intro beats TPCi Pokemon intros:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO3F0GVMaSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de9hJBD1loU

Connor Turner
Connor Turner

The ocarina song in the lugia movie dub was better than the original.

Eli Hall
Eli Hall

I watched a movie of Kirby that was filled with plot holes, not sure but I imagine 4 kids edited that way

Parker Garcia
Parker Garcia

The only good thing about the Kirby dub is that 4Kids kept Kirby's Japanese voice, honestly.

They had much better dubs than that.

I'd actually say the 4Kids Pokemon voices were generally on par with the Japanese ones- heck, Blaustein said her Meowth was inspired with Inuyama's in the Japanese version and she tried to emulate her screams in particular.

Helps that 4Kids kept 99% of the Japanese music in their dubs of Pokemon Movies 4-8 (whereas TPCi can't even give a fuck to do that little now and replaced most of the Japanese music in Movies 17-18), though.

4Kids even kept the Japanese ending with English vocals as a duet in their dub of the Jirachi Movie, it was glorious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnl5TFkZ138

(I have a lot of good things to say about 4Kids when it comes to Pokemon in general compared to the current/TPCi dub, really.)

Thomas Bell
Thomas Bell

I have a lot of good things to say about 4Kids when it comes to Pokemon in general compared to the current/TPCi dub, really
Yeah we can see that.

Jack Lopez
Jack Lopez

4Kids did great with Pokemon- going to have to agree with everyone who said that.

Jelly donuts or not, their dub is a lot better than the current one.

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

Almost destroyed wan piss in western. Too bad they were too incompetent to do even that.

Dominic Wilson
Dominic Wilson

Smoking deteriorates the vocal chords, even if it does happen slowly. That can create unique voices that you can't get otherwise, which can be great for certain commercial copy, but literally no large company (as in, one that contracts VO for their commercials) is going to try passing off a smoker as a kid or use one in kid-oriented VO. With Pokémon as big as it is, you'd think its company would try to have a higher bar of quality.

Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

TPCi honestly butchered the Pokemon dub worse than 4Kids ever did: say what you will, but the 4Kids dub was pretty damn solid in comparison.

I particularly enjoyed the adult humor they'd slip in at times, especially with Team Rocket:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfg0aBE19Y

Dominic Morgan
Dominic Morgan

It's redeemed because 4Kids did well with Pokemon, honestly: it makes up for the butchery they did with One Piece in my book.

Jonathan Gonzalez
Jonathan Gonzalez

Again, we get it.
You've posted about it more than enought to get your point across.

Blake Collins
Blake Collins

To be fair, it's hard to fuck up Pokemon. Even TCPi hasn't made any huge fuck ups.

Charles Young
Charles Young

Alright.

Still, I have to reiterate again some of the stuff they wrote is legitimately clever, though, you need to hear it for yourselves. I don't know how 4Kids slipped this by the radar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfg0aBE19Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWEiGXOt2w

The current TPCi writer just writes constant alliteration, rhymes, and slang- his stuff is about as unfunny as the 4Kids One Piece dub's writer.

Grayson Phillips
Grayson Phillips

https://youtu.be/IAR5cqVYQKw

This shit was gold.
Team Rocket in general were probably the best part of the old pokemon dubs.

Lucas Sullivan
Lucas Sullivan

TPCi
No huge fuck ups
All that horrible voice acting that rivals 4Kids' One Piece dub
Replacing more of the Japanese music than 4Kids ever did in general
That Team Rocket alliteration/rhyming bastardization writing, especially in DP and XY's dubs
Berries that are apples
Veggies

You've got to be kidding me: TPCi's Pokemon dub is one of the worst I've ever seen in my life, and my tolerance for dubs is really high.

Granted, I get it- Pokemon doesn't have much to mess up.

Xavier Davis
Xavier Davis

Team Rocket were gold in the 4Kids dub.

Brock was pretty epic, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHpSCZX9c5g

I thought Ash's 4Kids voice fit him a lot better than his TPCi voice, too, it really brought out his character and fit his age.

Jack Lewis
Jack Lewis

Ebin
Simply ebin

Samuel Davis
Samuel Davis

That was Nelvana. 4Kids doesn't use Canadian talent.

Oliver Roberts
Oliver Roberts

You can't butcher a piece of shit, which the OP anime undisputably is.

Samuel Thompson
Samuel Thompson

https://youtu.be/vDNzyytIw24
https://youtu.be/gmvWPiV37BM
https://youtu.be/iqvBT9fSEHw

all those small music videos they used to air with the show

Wyatt Powell
Wyatt Powell

The entire company is cancer.

You mean was cancer. They went out of the anime licensing business after getting their pants sued off by yugioh and a couple of others for cooking the books and breaches of contract.

Jaxon Green
Jaxon Green

How? OP Anime was pretty good, at least in earlier Arcs: the Dressrosa shit has been pretty underwhelming, though, admittedly.

FUNi does a great job with the dub, too.

4Kids did a fine job with Pokemon, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZnmO_8M8zE

Brody Cruz
Brody Cruz

And ironically, like Pokemon when TPCi took over, the Yu-Gi-Oh dubs have gotten worse since Konami took over.

Just listen to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A16Ilypv624

4Kids did some things right after all.

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

That theme feels a lot like late 4kids honestly

Michael Lopez
Michael Lopez

Imagine if 4Kids wasnt a company that cared about being a commercial products whore and didnt make pointless edits for the FCC. The Yugioh and Pokemon dubs would have been gold standards of the late 90s-early 00s.

Zachary Hill
Zachary Hill

The opening is fine, the voice acting is horrendous though.

Connor Murphy
Connor Murphy

4K is literally just Konami-owned 4Kids so that's no surprise. All the same people work there.

Austin Watson
Austin Watson

The funny thing is TPCi Pokemon and Konami/4KMedia Yu-Gi-Oh Arc V use many of the same horrible voice actors, and I agree- a lot of the *actually talented and experienced* NYC voice actors have moved out of the area to Los Angeles or retired, it's actually really sad.

Most of the current NYC voice talent is pulled straight off the street or from abridged parody stuff these days- it really shows when I watch the current dubs of Pokemon & Yu-Gi-Oh, they're cancerously bad.

It would seem 4Kids wasn't the "worst" dubber after all.

Pretty much, true, they had genuinely talented people working for them on those Series. It's that ass Al Kahn who drove the company into crap- 4Kids' downfall didn't really begin until Sonic X, that's when things took a real downhill slide for them, imo.

Jayden Diaz
Jayden Diaz

Not at all: a lot of the people who worked on the older 4Kids dubs have retired or moved to other areas. Veronica Taylor & Rachael Lillis now do dubs for Viz Media in Los Angeles, for example, and Crispin Freeman (he was a script writer for 4Kids' Pokemon, I should add, no I'm not kidding). Eric Stuart went on to focus on his music career closer to where FUNimation is, though he's interested in voice acting.

It's ironically mainly newer talents coming out of theater or off the street doing the Arc V dub with Dunstan & Haigney being forced to direct their less than stellar abilities, which is sad.

Easton Bell
Easton Bell

4kids located in NYC
Millions of peoples and probably thousands of amateurs who could of used a role
Somehow could only get like 15 distinct VAs and make voice multiple characters

It funny because Media Blasters was in the same boat for a number of years.

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

The problem is that you're going past the point of reiteration and into copious redundancy. The thread's full of the same point largely phrased the same with nothing real to add. That's not to say the sentiment is worthless, but that you're diminishing your own opinion my making others quicker to ignore it. And I say this as , who generally agrees with you.

Angel Rivera
Angel Rivera

To their credit, 4Kids' distinct VAs were very talented, though. They had genuine ability in their field, and it's a shame to see people like Green (Yami Yugi) and Stuart (James, Kaiba) being swapped for crap like Liscio Jr. (Yuya) and Cathcart (James) nowadays.

Ethan Cruz
Ethan Cruz

I'm surprised people liked Kirby's dub, actually.
Nostalgia's a hell of a drug.

Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

I only watched it when it came to the Wii the second time around, I thought it was pretty fitting for Kirby.
This coming from a huge Kirby fan.

Elijah Wright
Elijah Wright

True. Well, another thing I think 4Kids did right is they did Uncut DVD releases of Shaman King and Yu-Gi-Oh for a while with FUNimation.

That was glorious to see, honestly, real guns with no pointed fingers in particular.

Granted the Kirby Anime is honestly pretty crappy to start with, but the dub wasn't good for it, either.

Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

Reminder this was a 4Kids dub, folks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LWaEagOA3k

Honestly, I like Lewis and Stuart's work elsewhere, but I can't get behind Texan Dedede and Spanish Meta Knight. It's hilarious, but for all the wrong reasons, imo.

Tuff's voice is downright shit, though, it's the same voice the actress uses for 4Kids Coby from One Piece and TPCi Max from Pokemon- sounds like an old lady with a sinus infection.

Matthew Moore
Matthew Moore

When people say they like Kirby Dub, they really just mean King Dedede and Escargo(o)n

Ian Ward
Ian Ward

It still is wierd to me that 4kids didnt fuck up TMNT 2003. It was such good show.

Chase Smith
Chase Smith

Escargo's dub voice is alright, but what the heck is with Dedede's voice? Perhaps the worst thing I've heard Lewis do in his career, in all seriousness.

It's because they had the creator of the TMNT comics closely supervise 4Kids: TMNT 2003, Pokemon, and the Duel Monsters dub of Yu-Gi-Oh I will say were handled decently by 4Kids.

However, I don't think TMNT 2003 was their best show. The 1987 Series and 2012 Series have some aspects I liked about both as well: 4Kids' Krang was mediocre (I say this as someone who likes Grayson's voices a lot elsewhere), and Bebop as well as Rocksteady were kind of effed in 2009's film.

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

You can be lame and awesome at the same time, user. Especially when you're that age.

But when you hit 13... well, that's why the elevens have the word "chuuni".

Christopher Evans
Christopher Evans

Welcome to the field of dubbing, and to a lesser extent, even American cartoons. Not all companies can afford to scour every single demo they're submitted, especially when they can pile in the thousands. If a casting director already has a working relationship with an actor from another project or even within the same one, it's often easier to cast them because they fit well enough and because they have a proven track record of being reliable, especially in a given context. A demo might sound good, but you don't know how many attempts it took to get a good read (and consistency is essential in the entire industry), or if the actor has any experience matching lip flaps if they're dubbing. They have a business to run, and why reinvent the wheel when you have a reliable stable? It's the same reason why Funimation does the same thing for all its big shows and stopped doing open casting calls years ago. Not everyone can be Nickelodeon or Blizzard and hire a full-time casting director, which leads to a lot of homogeny.

Plenty of voice actors do ADR scriptwriting to make ends meet. It's just the nature of the industry if you haven't made it big.

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

True, and being honest, 4Kids' script writing for Pokemon is leagues better than TPCi's has been.

The current TPCi writer James Cathcart thinks his alliterations, slang, and rhymes are funnier than the Japanese version and has said the Japanese version of Pokemon "is not funny at all."

Needless to say, Cathcart is a hack.

Blake Lewis
Blake Lewis

As far as writing goes TCPi and 4kids weren't really any better than each other. They were equally as bad and had the same issues.

The difference is the voice actors, where 4kids had acceptable ones TCPi had mediocre ones.

Joshua Collins
Joshua Collins

For Yu-Gi-Oh since Zexal, yes, but Konami hasn't changed a thing in that trend, unfortunately.

Jace Jones
Jace Jones

the deck, it senses my doubts!

I don't know why but it sounds cool and fun at the same time

Jace Murphy
Jace Murphy

The current TPCi writer James Cathcart thinks his alliterations, slang, and rhymes are funnier than the Japanese version and has said the Japanese version of Pokemon "is not funny at all."

How would you make Ash's heart attacks funny?

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

In my honest opinion, the script writing in the Pokemon dub has declined significantly since TPCi took over: I don't recall Team Rocket constantly saying stuff like:

"Dig it, jack, you'se lugs..."
"Prodigiously pilfering primo Pokemon before bedtime"
"Fiery flights"

in the 4Kids dub.

Ash also began saying "So psyched" constantly, "A'course," "Kay," "Observation! I'm an observer! I'm doin' it," "I'm not a noob," etc since TPCi took over.

Just...don't get me started on that, TPCi's script writing makes me cringe.

4Kids did some annoying rewrites, but nothing outright retarded like what TPCi comes up with.

Plus, TPCi has no sense of humor when it comes to the dialogue- 4Kids' dub had wit in that regard.

Though I agree 4Kids' actors are superior to TPCi's, regardless.

Also, TPCi fucked the intros...we went from minute long ones with 4Kids to 29-30 second ones with TPCi.

TPCi also fucked the music, too, replacing more of it than 4Kids ever did in the XY dub.

Adam Robinson
Adam Robinson

For Yu-Gi-Oh since Zexal, yes
For most of 4kids shows since about 2004 or so.

Luis Thomas
Luis Thomas

Cathcart made Ash say shit like "seeing & doing" last dub episode like he was a poet.
All Satoshi said was he feels like he becomes Greninja in the Japanese version.

Seriously, TPCi's script writing reminds me of the 4Kids' One Piece dub's, and I mean that in the most offensive way possible.

Elijah Clark
Elijah Clark

They actually did a goodj ob with Muscle and slipped a lot by with jokes like
"I know all your secrets Dad, even that one time where you were wearing Mom's clothing and she wrestled you into submission dressed as Buffaloman"

Benjamin Thompson
Benjamin Thompson

I actually like how 4Kids ADDED a literal ass for a character in the season of Ultimate Muscle they commissioned the Japanese to produce for them.

Ultimate Muscle was one of 4Kids' better efforts.

Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
I don't think that counts
It was pretty great tho

Eli Harris
Eli Harris

I did as well, a lot of the jokes were actually quite funny like the one I posted that you responded to and another one i'm a fan of is
"We've been waiting and still no Kid"
"Just like my marriage"
dont remember who it was between but that line stands out.
Also
Dik Dik Van Dik

Adrian Wilson
Adrian Wilson

4Kids made it, so it counts.

That said, I disagree with that list for Pokemon: all 8 seasons would go in Great Tier for me.

Joseph Powell
Joseph Powell

Ash also began saying "So psyched" constantly, "A'course," "Kay," "Observation! I'm an observer! I'm doin' it," "I'm not a noob," etc since TPCi took over.
You are aware Ash had been saying similar things for the time during the 4kids run right?

"Dig it, jack, you'se lugs..."
"Prodigiously pilfering primo Pokemon before bedtime"
"Fiery flights"

That's like, their entire gimmick in both 4kids and TCPi.
Then you have things like the famous "Frying pan, drying pan"

Even one time characters had the annoying alliteration aspect for example when the biker gang gave Ash and Misty the nicknames of "Awesome Ash" and "Mighty Misty".

Ryan Lee
Ryan Lee

I like how Eric Stuart emphasized "DIK DIK" as well, that was pretty funny.

They also had Kid Muscle try to call Terry an asshole, IIRC, good stuff.

Eli Hill
Eli Hill

Holy shit it's all come back to me now

Henry Edwards
Henry Edwards

You are aware Ash had been saying similar things for the time during the 4kids run right?

No, he didn't: Ash never said stuff like that in the 4Kids dub- it began with the TPCi dub. Only exception being "So psyched" which was used VERY sparingly in the 4Kids AG dub, but once TPCi took over, Ash began using it every other dub episode.

The "A'course" thing began with TPCi, too.

Worst things I've ever heard in the dub from Ash were from TPCi's dub when Ash said "At first, ya hated goin' inside your Pokeball," "We're gonna raise the roof," etc.

4Kids had Ash speak like a normal boy: I really appreciated the lack of slang, honestly.

That's like, their entire gimmick in both 4kids and TCPi.

Nope: Meowth never said "Dig it, jack" in the 4Kids dub, nor did Jessie and James constantly alliterate back and forth.

Then you have things like the famous "Frying pan, drying pan"

That's actually clever, though, to a degree.

Even one time characters had the annoying alliteration aspect for example when the biker gang gave Ash and Misty the nicknames of "Awesome Ash" and "Mighty Misty".

That's true, but those are characters of the day, so it was easy to ignore. TPCi had these two guys in XY go "Yo, yo, yo" every other line as well- didn't happen in the 4Kids dub.

Kevin Bailey
Kevin Bailey

I legitimately liked the dub music they made for Yu-Gi-Oh. Unlike most of their replacement soundtracks, it felt like they actually gave a shit, and weren't just doing mickey mousing all the time.

A real shame it was mostly synthetic. I know they used live guitar (especially in GX), but if they had more live stuff in general, I think it would have probably elevated it up a lot higher.

Owen Jackson
Owen Jackson

how was Season 4?

Kill yourself

Joseph Peterson
Joseph Peterson

Kaiba's hacking theme was pretty epic, I must admit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4v351FhLfo

4Kids in general had some talent when it came to music, honestly, I think a lot of their Pokemon dub intros are memorable in a good way.

IIRC the Japanese even said they considered the "Tears of Life" insert 4Kids did in their dub of the first Pokemon Movie even sadder than the Japanese version.

Noah Baker
Noah Baker

Didn't they say jackass in one 4kids dub?

Joseph Powell
Joseph Powell

people saying YGO had a good dub

You are talking about the show that created the whole HEART OF THE CARDS and SEND YOU TO THE SHADOW REALM nonsense, right? And the removing tons of episodes, glowing dark energy disks, Brooklyn Jounouchi, British Bakura, Dr. Monarch Malik, Adam West Yugi, turning guns into slingshots, and all sorts of other nonsense, right?

Xavier Price
Xavier Price

Honestly I find 4kids VA's for One Piece better then the current funi VA's. Theres the obvious ones that are bad that have silly accents or something.

But fuck, you'd think after 300 odd episodes the funi VA for luffy would start having fun with it but it still sounds like its being dialed in for a pay cheque

James Garcia
James Garcia

The only thing I personally cared for regarding the GX dub was I think they chose their voice actors well for it (except for Wayland's Chumley and whoever did Hasselberry, but Wayland has always been shit and the latter was 4Kids' adding a retarded, unnecessary accent like they usually did).

The rest of it was bad, though, even 5D's had a better dub than GX.

Nolan Cox
Nolan Cox

AHH NEED A MONSTER TO BEAT TO DER KIRBY.

Parker Jenkins
Parker Jenkins

THAT'S WHAT WE DO BEST AT N M E

Cooper Bailey
Cooper Bailey

hating on accents

Anthony Morales
Anthony Morales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlOInYn5-_0

Gabriel Ward
Gabriel Ward

Jounouchi
You mean Joey Fucking Wheeler!

Justin Bell
Justin Bell

I actually never questioned the whole Shadow Realm thing when I first watched it. Even the fucking dark energy disks.

The whole shadow concept with the games and all that melded weirdly, and I never felt it was out of place.

You play a Shadow Game, and if you lose, you go to the Shadow Realm. Simple.

Andrew Bailey
Andrew Bailey

I don't think so, but 4Kids did throw around the words "die" and "death" quite a bit in their Pokemon dub.

YGO didn't have a good dub, per say, but it was tolerable enough, at least compared to the Odex dub.

In the Odex dub, you have surfer dude Yami, Texan Bakura, cowboy Sugoroku, etc.

I thought Jonouchi's Brooklyn accent was fine in the dub, honestly, he has Osakan dialect in Japanese after all.

Bakura's British accent worked well, too, he's polite after all and soft spoken most of the time before he goes Yami form.

Malik was shit in the dub, though, admittedly...but the Odex one is even worse, sounds like a woman.

Yugi's dub voice was great in Seasons 1-2, imo, it's when Dan Green started going all deep and gruff later it got worse.

I think the FUNi VA for Luffy does a great job, honestly, at first she did sound lifeless, but now Clinkenbeard puts a lot of energy and passion into the performance. Then again, I prefer FUNi's VAs for One Piece over 4Kids, but I do sort of relate: I much prefer 4Kids VA's for Pokemon over TPCi's.

Jacob Torres
Jacob Torres

IIRC the Japanese even said they considered the "Tears of Life" insert 4Kids did in their dub of the first Pokemon Movie even sadder than the Japanese version.

Sounds like BS to me if you do not have a source.

I know Im trampling on people's childhoods, but Pokemon has a mediocre dub. The new music was awful and Veronica Taylor made Satoshi sound like a little girl, ahd they gutted Kasumi's personality. All these TCPI vs 4kids arguments is like arguing who took the cleanist shit. You're best bet is still the sub and you shouldn't be watching the dub anyway.

Gavin Reed
Gavin Reed

Still fucking hilarious to this day
I thought Spanish Meta Knight was cool and fit well though

Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams

In the uncut YGO dub 4Kids did, though, Yami did say "Hellfire's rage: exodal flame," though, not sure if that counts, or when Tea/Anzu said "Pheromone hussy" about Mai.

Even in the edited/cut 4Kids YGO dub, Tristan said "According to this, I'm dead" early on in Season 1. As I said before, 4Kids Pokemon had Brock in Season 1 say "If it's tail flame goes out, it'll die" and in Season 6, Ash said "This tree is dying" once.

Hudson Moore
Hudson Moore

I actually really appreciate the rhyming starting with operation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwJvOm395E

James Johnson
James Johnson

IT BETTER COME WITH A MONEY BACK GUARANTEE

Juan Morales
Juan Morales

Honestly I haven't watched some of the later episodes of funi dub OP, I've only been watching clips, maybe Luffy's VA finally warmed up to it and I saw mediocre clips.

Ian Ortiz
Ian Ortiz

4kids just picked up the rights to dub your favorite anime.
How improved is it?

Angel White
Angel White

Odex kept the JP soundtrack and script at least. DM has one of the bext soundtra ks so 4kids techno synth shit is unbearable

Adrian Morgan
Adrian Morgan

Not that guy, but I distinctly remember hearing years back that the Japanese got an "international" cut of the film after it was released, that featured the 4kids changes and updates, so there might be something to what he's talking about.

Mason Price
Mason Price

lol

Dominic Jenkins
Dominic Jenkins

4kids techno synth shit is unbearable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDv68Yvgalc

It was synth, but there was some decent stuff there.

Parker Wilson
Parker Wilson

My source was TV Tropes, I read it online, but you can take that information with a grain of salt.

I disagree: Natochenny makes Ash sound like a teen girl-grown smoker, if anything. I though Taylor sounded like a boy as Ash, though yeah, she's not Matsumoto, don't get me wrong.

On top of that, 4Kids kept like 70% of the Japanese music in the first 3 dub seasons regardless, so the dub music was just filling in silence.

Kasumi (Misty) was actually better in the dub, though, imo, I like that she was more of a role model for girls than flaunting her appearance: Shigeru (Gary) was shit in the dub, though, but Cathcart is always shit for whatever reason- nasally and annoying.

The sub is obviously better, but out of the dubs, I'd rather 4Kids than TPCi- I don't have very high standards, though.

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

The US Pokemon dub used to aired in Jalan and was used as a tool to teach kids English. Doesn't mean they think it's better though

Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher

Only exception being "So psyched" which was used VERY sparingly in the 4Kids AG dub
It really wasn't, the only reason you think so is because you're ignoring the fact that languages change over time especially slang common among children. Both were filled with the slang of their time and the reason you picked out AG there is because it used similar language as the TCPi dub but to a lesser degree due to being in that transitional phase.
Not to mention Ash used a lot of cartoon typical phrases like

Nope: Meowth never said "Dig it, jack" in the 4Kids dub, nor did Jessie and James constantly alliterate back and forth.
"At last we found a town where our taste won't go to waste"
"Jessie's getting dressy"
"and does James look hot or what"
Same episode mind you
"Because we're team rocket!" "More like Team Racket!"
Between Misty and TR.
Not to mention 4Kids were the people who started the rhyming angle and popular slang in the first place.

That's actually clever, though, to a degree.
It's not. It's very a simple rhyme, thinking it's good is a big crime.
See what I mean?

but those are characters of the day
The problem being that it was apparent in quite a large amount of them as well as the main cast.

TPCi had these two guys in XY go "Yo, yo, yo" every other line as well- didn't happen in the 4Kids dub.
That's because 4Kids had their own issues on the same tier.

I don't think you get what I'm trying to say here.

Owen Perez
Owen Perez

That's true, but Odex has horrible voice actors, and some of the "Cool dude" stuff wasn't in the Japanese version's script. The VA work is just too distracting, imo.

Some of the dub music is bearable in DM, imo, but yeah, the Japanese version's OST is much better, especially Passionate Duelist.

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

Jack Jackson's Jarring Journey
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Parker Rodriguez
Parker Rodriguez

Eva
I don't even think that's possible

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

Both were filled with the slang of their time and the reason you picked out AG there is because it used similar language as the TCPi dub but to a lesser degree due to being in that transitional phase.

You basically admitted TPCi is worse about this just now, though: it was done to a much lesser degree, so it was more bearable for that reason.

Same episode mind you

The only rhyme in that is "taste...waste," though.

"The scene where James remembers that the treasure chest belongs to him is a perfect example of why I can't stand Team Rocket in this dub. I hate the way the writers "punch up" the dialogue by making every line rhyme, for no goddamn reason. I'd make the obligatory Dr. Seuss reference here, but I honestly feel that the writing in his books, however simplistic it may be, is still worlds ahead of the dreck they come up with for this show. I honestly don't understand how the writers of this show are able to look at the Rocket-Dan in the Japanese version and conclude that having them say everything as if they have an allergy to talking like normal fucking human beings is the way to go.

Do they think the new lines are funny? Do little American kids (and not, say, jaded twenty-somethings) laugh at this stuff? Or do they roll their eyes and headdesk with the rest of us?

I used to think that the people who would go on message boards and talk about how annoying Team Rocket is were crazy. But really, what they're tired of is Team Rocket, not the Rocket-Dan. The Rocket-Dan is funny and endearing, while Team Rocket is a glaring example of what happens when adults try to be hip. I can see why so many fans preferred the way 4Kids handled the trio; they had their problems, sure, but at least I could sit through a Rocket-centered comedy episode and come out of it not wanting to shoot a kitten."

Gavin Martin
Gavin Martin

for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyIpijrLlcM

Luke Sanchez
Luke Sanchez

My post wasnt a pro TCPI voice post, they're both shit to Matsumoto.

Dont see what makes Kasumi a bad role model to girls. She was confident about her looks even when other characters mocked her appearance.

Elijah Barnes
Elijah Barnes

It's not. It's very a simple rhyme, thinking it's good is a big crime.
See what I mean?
I don't think it's GOOD, but I can't say it's horrible, either.

The problem being that it was apparent in quite a large amount of them as well as the main cast.

COTDs, yeah, but I didn't hear much from the main cast.

I do get it, but 4Kids' did it a lot less frequently than TPCi does, perhaps that's why I'm more tolerant of it.

Andrew Parker
Andrew Parker

4Kids fed into the Pokeshipper fandom with Misty's Song, and I can't hate them for that.

Leo Miller
Leo Miller

Yeah, but to be fair, anyone's crap compared to Matsumoto when it comes to Satoshi. Taylor was good enough for the dub version imo, it's Rogers and Natochenny that actually make me cringe.

I suppose. That was retained in the dub to a degree, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWhQAEDL8G8

(DP's dub is ear-rape, though)

Daniel Reyes
Daniel Reyes

They were just keeping with what the games did when they came over to the west.

Caleb Foster
Caleb Foster

It's obviously worse than the sub, but I think the Pokemon dub was bearable when 4Kids had it: not great, but not horrible, either- tolerable.

TPCi made the Pokemon dub unbearable, however, I can't sit through more than a minute of their dub before turning it off in disgusting.

Aaron Harris
Aaron Harris

Actually, Pokemon would be better off now in English, if they did- not even joking.

She's gotten much better, though her yells are still pretty shrill, be warned on that account.

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

That's because that one wasn't a dub.

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

this
I remember watching it with my dad, it was comfy as fugg
I didn't mind the future stuff either tbqh

Jeremiah Peterson
Jeremiah Peterson

Magical DoReMi
Completely forgot this existed, holy shit. I was a fan of moe before I could even realize it

Zachary Morales
Zachary Morales

It's fucking weird that 4kids of people the studios ended up creating the most violent version of the series to date.

I mean didn't like, a whole season or something get shoved onto DVDs cause it was too hardcore to air on Saturday mornings?

Carson Sullivan
Carson Sullivan

the VA's work for KONAMI doing Yugioh ARC-V
under the 4KMEDIA banner

Jayden Long
Jayden Long

it was done to a much lesser degree
As in it used current language to a lesser degree but kept up the older ones.
Keep up user.

The only rhyme in that is "taste...waste," though.
You are aware "Jessie" and "Dressy", "Rocket" and "Racket" as well as "what" and "hot" rhyme right? Though the latter depends on your pronunciation which in that episode was exactly the same.
Rhymes can still occur if the letters are different user. This is stuff you learn in grade school.

I hate the way the writers "punch up" the dialogue by making every line rhyme, for no goddamn reason
There's only about three or four lines in that episode that rhyme you know. That just slightly over the amount you would hear every time TR does their theme in either the TCPi and 4Kids dub which isn't even completed in that episode.

Do they think the new lines are funny? Do little American kids (and not, say, jaded twenty-somethings) laugh at this stuff? Or do they roll their eyes and headdesk with the rest of us?
Of course they do, it was designed for them. That's what this generation of children enjoy, you're overstating the intelligence of children and while they may cringe at it later in life it's still what children of the time want.

I don't think it's GOOD, but I can't say it's horrible, either.
There's a reason that it's become a joke user, because it's terrible.

COTDs, yeah
Even the main cast does.

but 4Kids' did it a lot less frequently than TPCi does
They really didn't, they had their own phrases and annoying aspects that put them on the same tier as TCPi.
Which is the point I'm trying to get across here. They aren't the same but are equally as bad in the writing department.
The one saving grace of 4Kids was the voice acting.

Samuel Ramirez
Samuel Ramirez

I thought they did alright with Pokemon and Dinosaur King's dubs, considering they kept a lot of the Japanese OST in both.

Pre-Future was better for TMNT 2003, imo, that's when it went downhill for me.

Dub isn't bad until Season 9, honestly.

The guy put Sonic X and that above Pokemon S3-8, his opinion is automatically shit for that alone.

Aiden Foster
Aiden Foster

I suppose I see your point now, but you have to admit, the music was also better in the 4Kids dub than the TPCi dub. I mean, look at those intros and the UFO BGM in XY.

Kayden Morgan
Kayden Morgan

Oh yeah, TCPi certainly don't care for the music.

Caleb Russell
Caleb Russell

What elevates the 4Kids dub above TPCi's dub is really the voice acting and music, true, but I still feel like the script was a *little* better before they took over.

Maybe that or I'm just appalled at Cathcart outright saying he thinks Japanese version's dialogue is not funny at all during the DP dub- that really pissed me off, not gonna lie.

Alexander Powell
Alexander Powell

That's a pretty damn shit voice, man, even for 4Kids' standards. I can see why they don't like it.

Ryder Jones
Ryder Jones

Im glad they turned Cisty into a feminist

sub
"Ill win this bikini contest for sure"

Ugh

dub

"This is horribly degrading and humiliating."

You go girl for calling out sexist shit like it is

Nathan Foster
Nathan Foster

Western accents dont belong in a show about Japanese students.

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

No Marc Diraison in God tier

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

eggman had a pretty good voice in sonic x. Also, pokemon was decent.

Nolan Lewis
Nolan Lewis

Forgot about him: feel free to add him to the list.

Jounouchi and Bakura's are fine, though, as I said before he already had an Osakan accent in the Jap version so it translates well to dub giving him an accent. Bakura is polite and well mannered, so British accent in dub reflects it alright.

You won't see the word "degrading" uttered in the TPCi dub, that's for sure, too intelligent for their vocabulary.

I actually agree 4Kids' dub made Misty more likeable there.

Luke Garcia
Luke Garcia

GAME ON!

Justin James
Justin James

Eggman is the only good voice in the Sonic X dub, and yeah, Pokemon's dub was a lot better when 4Kids had it over what TPCi's been putting out.

Literally the only acceptable dub TPCi has done for Pokemon was Origins, and Bosch as well as Hebert half-assed their attempts as Brock & Oak anyway, Papenbrook was an awkward choice for Red (still better than Knotz), they censored the screams, etc. It's a decent dub, but man, that doesn't make up for TPCi's butchery of the Anime & Movies for almost 10 years now.

Levi Thomas
Levi Thomas

GX dub sucks (though the voice acting was alright, except for Mad Dog, that was cancerous), but that theme is catchy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8246R_OsdA

Noah Carter
Noah Carter

Has Eggman ever had a bad voice actor?
Each one fits the tone of the show that they're in very well.
The one from underground sounds menacing and downright evil.
Sonic boom's eggman is really funny yet pulls off the mad genius character.
And the one from the Sonic with all the PSAs at the end of the episode sounded like a babbling cartoon villain.

Each one was played exactly how they should have I think. The adventure games are also great examples considering Eggman was easily the best voiced character.

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson

No...please, no...

Quite true: Eggman seems to be the one character who never gets his voice screwed by voice changes for whatever reason in the Sonic franchise.

Samuel Sanchez
Samuel Sanchez

Not mine: my vote for 4Kids' best goes to what seems to be the favorite choice here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=117&v=xfHvVUlPQRg

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

all this 4kids hate

Looks like you all need a one way trip to the dungeon

Nolan Miller
Nolan Miller

Protected my purity from this semen demon

Lincoln Gray
Lincoln Gray

Not if I send you to the stars first

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

Yu-Gi-Oh ARC-VI protagonist.

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

Look buddy let's not make a situation out of this

Parker Thomas
Parker Thomas

Which anime?

Colton Price
Colton Price

Hating on 4Kids is pretty much a 2010 thing at this point: it was funny when they were around and relevant, but now, it's just pointless since they don't even exist. My only real issue with their dubs was the stupid censorship and the awkward dialogue at times, but sometimes, they had witty dialogue in their Pokemon dialogue, so there's that.

Besides that, TPCi and Odex dubs are a lot more harmful to the ears than anything they've done (not to mention in TPCi's case, even more unfaithful and keeping less of the Japanese music to boot).

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

Oh yes, I forgot about the super soakers: some of these edits were so dumb, they were actually hilarious, imo.

Sounds like Yubel in the GX dub?

Luke Perry
Luke Perry

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX.
Character in question is Yubel.

Ayden Thompson
Ayden Thompson

DREAMING

DON'T GIVE IT UP ZORO

Henry Cook
Henry Cook

Pokemon is the best thing 4Kids did, period. Jelly donuts and sandwiches aside, it was very clear they cared about the end product. Not like Tom "Didn't care about how bad the dub gets as long as it gets good ratings, will replace the Japanese music and screw up the dialogue as much as he wants, non-existent VO direction alleged rapist" Wayland and James "The Japanese Version is not funny at all- I'm funnier! I'm the best James and it'll be proven in time" Cathcart who by and large destroyed the Pokemon dub with their lack of skill and terrible pool of voice actors.

Lincoln Thompson
Lincoln Thompson

DREAMING

THAT'S THE WORST 4KIDS THEME EVER

GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT NO

HERE'S HOW THIS SHITTY THEME GOT OVERRATED

BY A BUNCH OF DUMBASSES NO DOUBT

SO MANY BETTER 4KIDS THEMES

WHY THE FUCK IS THIS A THING

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

"Joey's kooky misadventures

"abadab gets sent to the shadow realm by chilly willy and his phantom sour cream while jackson and his pet dog bully try to fight him with their stands based off planet names"

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

Yubel from Yugioh GX

Benjamin Fisher
Benjamin Fisher

4kids

Charles Collins
Charles Collins

The problem with 4Kids was the censorship, really: they had some legitimately good voice actors (not in Sonic or OP, though) hindered by that drawback, sadly. 4Kids also had some decent music now and then, too, what killed them in the end was the need to edit too much.

Elijah Clark
Elijah Clark

What killed them in the end was Konami

Colton Myers
Colton Myers

True, and Konami haven't done anything to improve the Yu-Gi-Oh dub's quality since then.

TPCi actually made Pokemon's dub worse now, too.

This is why I can never take people seriously who say 4Kids was the worst dubber- because it's not true.

Carson Mitchell
Carson Mitchell

It's unironically good.

Brody Roberts
Brody Roberts

Original TMNT cartoon, Stockman gets turned into a fly
4kids TMNT cartoon, Stockman gets mutilated by the Foot Clan, gradually losing body parts until he's just a brain

Honestly, what the fuck. That's fucked up for TV in general, and this is made by 4kids. What, is it fine since he isn't dead?

I mean, jesus. Guy keeps trying to build things just to keep his face around.

Josiah Bailey
Josiah Bailey

No, it's just shit: there's some stuff 4Kids did that is worthy of a defense, but that is not.

4Kids could be edgy when they wanted to be back in their earlier years. Such a shame after they lost Pokemon their dubs and shows began going to shit gradually...

New York is an absolutely terrible place for dubs now in general, though, all literal who actors who have no VA experience before landing lead roles, garbage script writers like Jimmy Zoppi/Cathcart, and they replace almost to all the Japanese OST nowadays. Only decent studio left is NYAV Post, and they dub literal who shit Anime.

Connor Bell
Connor Bell

Did they ever do anything right with the anime they dubbed?
Butchered Ojamajo Doremi
Butchered Tokyo Mew Mew
No.

Austin Brown
Austin Brown

Did fairly good with Pokemon (inb4 m-muh sacred rice ball, they called them that other times besides donut) and a lot better than the terrible TPCi dub airing now
Casting itself of Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters's dub voice actors
Kept Pokemon Movies 4 & 6-8 entirely uncut with 99% of the Japanese music
Uncut Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters Episodes 1-9 dub
Uncut Shaman King Episodes 1-12 dub
Ultimate Muscle dub.

Yes: yes, 4Kids did some stuff right.

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