What are Sup Forums's thoughts on this?

Henry Robinson
Henry Robinson

If the protag is shit the show isn't worth watching

What are /a/'s thoughts on this?

Jaxon Brown
Jaxon Brown

It's the antagonist who matters

Eli Murphy
Eli Murphy

A character that will have like 20% of screen time matters

Elijah Turner
Elijah Turner

if that was true you couldn't watch pretty much every anime ever

Asher Miller
Asher Miller

If the OP is shit the thread isn't worth reading

What are /a/'s thoughts on this?

20% is a lot.

Jeremiah Thomas
Jeremiah Thomas

I wouldn't agree with that but I can't think of any shows I like that have a bad protagonist.

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

so what, Khan was in like 5 scenes in Wrath of Khan and he was still the best character in the best star trek movie

Kevin Wilson
Kevin Wilson

If OP is a faggot, the thread isn't worth

Jaxon Garcia
Jaxon Garcia

I survived various battle shonen, SAO, KLK and Shimoneta so I don't believe this statement.

Joseph Ortiz
Joseph Ortiz

Disagree, there are some, but I like it better when the protagonist is one of the most likeable characters.

John Mitchell
John Mitchell

if the protag is not a dark haired beta teenager with super powers you are most likely not watching annie may

What are /a/'s thoughts on this

Jace Hall
Jace Hall

This should only apply to harems

Samuel Rivera
Samuel Rivera

A good protrag can make a shitty history tolerable. This don't work the other way around.

Jeremiah Foster
Jeremiah Foster

I disagree.

A show most of all needs cute girls.

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

I think Emi is cute.

Bentley Bennett
Bentley Bennett

No.

A show with cute girls need a Good MC to make full use of the cute girls and be playful or else it's garbage.

Ian Moore
Ian Moore

That's stupid. The supporting characters, world, and plot can make up for a shitty MC.

Parker King
Parker King

a Good MC
Right. A cute girl.

Alexander Sullivan
Alexander Sullivan

It depends on what you mean by 'good MC'. The MC can't be too cool, handsome and assertive, otherwise the target audience won't be able to identify with him. And nobody wants to see some リア充 get all the girls - that's what happens in real life already.

Xavier Lopez
Xavier Lopez

Ageed, to me the MC have to be the most interesting character or i will dropped it as fast as i can

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

Fuck off you are the cancer that support MC's that do nothing with girls for multiple seasons in nearly all harems.
Stupid self insert fag.

Bentley Morris
Bentley Morris

Completely agree, Kyon is a spawn of the devil.

Camden Mitchell
Camden Mitchell

Sounds about right, had to drop Fate because of that, picked it up again hoping to be wrong, but fuck. It should have been dropped, edgy father, self-insert moralfaggot nice son, they were both shit.

John Murphy
John Murphy

Normalfag/Female detected
/out/

David Anderson
David Anderson

Muh normalfag

Kill yourself with your garbage taste. You probably watch that trash Netoge too.

Levi Walker
Levi Walker

Most protags are just viewer surrogates anyway. Especially in anime.

Mason Gonzalez
Mason Gonzalez

he thinks the opinions of normalfags are of relevance
How silly.

David Harris
David Harris

I can't stand a terrible protagonist, but I can stand mediocre ones as long as the show has good side characters.

Cameron Rogers
Cameron Rogers

Pride for being an autist
/r9k/

Isaiah Hernandez
Isaiah Hernandez

I'm very empathetic, so I always empathize with a protagonist, no matter how low quality. The problem is, empathizing with a shitty faggot is incredibly annoying, so a bad protag is indeed an instant drop for me.

Ryan Bailey
Ryan Bailey

this, mediocre MC are alright.fuck i, a gary stu is okay in my book,but The incompetent and terrible one are insufferable and make people drop the show

Chase Long
Chase Long

Where do you think that you are new friend?

Luis Morris
Luis Morris

a gary stu is okay in my book
That's only because the term Gary Stu/Mary Sue has been so watered down that it's basically meaningless now.

Jason Brown
Jason Brown

gary stu

I'm okay with an incredibly competent/borderline invincible protagonist so long as his development isn't the focus of the show. Kazuma in Kaze no Stigma is a good example of this, the show dealt with his trauma fairly early and the show's focus moved on to his cousin.

Liam King
Liam King

You were already told to get the fuck out. There's nothing to add here.

You've given yourself away as a normalfag and thus anything you say has lost its relevance.

Jayden Brown
Jayden Brown

It really depends on how hard the world, plot and supporting characters grab your attention and interest. It also depends on if the bad protagonist can still entertain you despite you disliking them.

Example: Raildex is my favorite series and I generally have a negative opinion of Touma. But Raildex is a huge series and despite heavy focus on Touma there's far more to the series than him. It'd be absolutely retarded to assume a huge series like Raildex with a big main cast is unenjoyable just because you may not like Touma

Matthew Hernandez
Matthew Hernandez

neo Sup Forums everyone

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

Raildex is garbage whether it has Touma or not, fuck off to your general with your garbage taste.

Logan Price
Logan Price

It's not necessarily true, in fact, some stories need a shitty protagonist. Though unless the story demands it, it's optimal to make them at least decent

Asher Lee
Asher Lee

Indeed.

Normalfags these days are way too uppity.

Matthew Harris
Matthew Harris

Fucking kill yourself worthless sack of meat.

Connor Scott
Connor Scott

Having good MC's used to be common, used to.

Eli Hill
Eli Hill

You do realise that people can tell who samefags ITT based on the IP counter, right?

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

Could care less about the MC if the girls are good and hot

Jace Gonzalez
Jace Gonzalez

I agree. If the story is shit, if the other characters are shit, it just doesn't matter what you do its a shit show.
I just watched Futakoi and Futakoi Alternative.
Now, the protagonist is basically the same fucking guy in both shows, has the same issues, however in Alternative he's older and the way his choices are portrayed slightly more mature. I realized I hated Futakoi's protag solely because he was immature, but then again that was the entire point of the show.
I think the big problem with anime in general is that they write many different types of mature characters and very few immature ones. Basically if you're immature in anime, you're afraid of doing something because bad things will happen or people will judge you. So when you see the immature type character, its just boring. If they had different types then it might be interesting but the fearful loner is basically the only immature type anime has character wise.
They are all really shinji from EVA or Rito from To-love-ru. Thats the real reason they are bad. Not because they are afraid of sex or fearful, but because they are just a carbon copy of those characters so the cliche gets boring.
And if you want to say 'well all cliches are boring' there are plenty you are perfectly fine with I'm sure. Like Sansha Sanyou's Yoko is a template ojou they took away the money and made her have weird tastes. Thats all they did, and you faggots gobble it up.
I also think that guys need to be more interesting that girls in anime to even be considered characters. Like Saru from Seto no Hanayome.

Caleb King
Caleb King

"w-what! More than one person disagree with my retarded as fuck post"
"Must be a samefag!!"

Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

Depends on the type of the anime/manga

If it's story driven, a bad MC can butcher it. If it's not, it's passable.

Cooper Smith
Cooper Smith

hey fuck you, kodomo toy was fun!

Nolan Bell
Nolan Bell

shit in what way? if they're merely unlikable, there's nothing wrong with that since it provides room for interesting character development or exploration of themes. if they're poorly written, then yeah, i wouldn't like that.

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

Retard.

Daniel Parker
Daniel Parker

I can literally tell that you're samefagging, so there's no point in arguing.

Wyatt Cox
Wyatt Cox

Keep telling yourself that autist

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

Even if I couldn't tell by the IP counter, your whole manner of posting and choice of words (see ), gives you away already.

Normalfags like yourself need to learn that you have no place in here.

Kayden Thomas
Kayden Thomas

Autist alert.

Carson Campbell
Carson Campbell

Only one person is allowed to say autist

If that isn't autistic behavior I don't know what is.

Ryder Phillips
Ryder Phillips

Literally the shittiest taste

Nolan James
Nolan James

A bad protagonist basically guarantees a show will be trash

Jaxson Brown
Jaxson Brown

Anonymous (29)

Anonymous (30)

I already told you, that the IP counter marks new posts. You can't samefag by resetting your router.

In fact, doing that already proves who the real autist is here.

Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

I just saw your post from the front page and called you an autist. I don't even know what you fags are arguing about.

Gavin King
Gavin King

Anonymous (32)
(32)
You called me an autist? How come this is your first post in this thread then?

You're only digging yourself deeper into the whole. Better give it up, normalfag-kun.

Tyler Gutierrez
Tyler Gutierrez

Sup Forums is a normalfag board now, you need to leave.

Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

Probably because I'm on a phone that connects and disconnects as it pleases.

Jeremiah Parker
Jeremiah Parker

browsing Sup Forums from a phone

Robert Long
Robert Long

Stay mad people have different opinions than you, you angry little faggot

Asher Garcia
Asher Garcia

i'm in no way a normal fag, I do nothing but watch anime all day, but it's ridiculous to have pride in being an autist.

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

Only virgin losers who have never seen pussy like harem anime. Get out and kill yoruself.

Asher Walker
Asher Walker

Leaving Sup Forums ever
I need a constant connection to Sup Forums at all times.

Charles Lopez
Charles Lopez

i'm in no way a normal fag
That's what all normalfags say.

owning an NSA tracking device
leaving the house
Normalfag detected.

Brody Mitchell
Brody Mitchell

Raildex isn't a harem. I don't give a fuck about retarded girls fawning over Touma. In fact I wish that part of the fandom would fuck of fans die out. But stay absolutely frothing mad

Andrew Mitchell
Andrew Mitchell

Raildex isn't a harem.
Get a load of this guy.

Christopher Cox
Christopher Cox

Raildex isn't a harem.

Jeremiah Brooks
Jeremiah Brooks

Sounds like you've never even watched it. There is really only one girl who likes the Touma and is of any importance. Two if you count the midget library but that's hardly love.

Even then, the romance is a subplot at best.

David Stewart
David Stewart

so what, Khan was in like 5 scenes in Wrath of Khan and he was still the best character in the best star trek movie
Best Star Trek Movie
Not the one with Whales

But yeah, having something to look forward to and the payoff is important.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

lol

raildex is THE typical battle harem shit

go get some taste you retard maybe then you'll get laid

Jace Lee
Jace Lee

Raildex isn't a harem

This isn't even all of the chicks.

Fuck off nearly all of these people wanted his dick just like any other harem even if the characters disappear since new ones will take their place.

Raildex really is one of the most garbage and delusional fanbases here.

Brayden Thomas
Brayden Thomas

Depends on the plot and the other characters and how shitty the MC truly is.

Lucas Diaz
Lucas Diaz

Half of those chicks aren't even relevant, and a harem needs constant girls striving for the MCs cock. Romance is hardly a factor at all in the series, especially in Railgun. Even in the main series there are only a handful of romance shenanigans, and it's always with Misaka.

Camden Torres
Camden Torres

I love harem garbage and romance shows but Index wasn't one of them. I wish there was more romance in it.

William Edwards
William Edwards

You lot need to realize most harems don't really develop shit themselves with the girls and index does the same thing.

save a chick or work with one
ends up liking Touma then fucks off for a while
repeat

It's not about it focusing on the harem antics but blatantly shoving it in the plot for no reason like any other haremshit.

Even 2 volumes ago you had a character bitch at how Touma for putting up with his harem so yeah keep trying to deny it being a battle harem.

Logan Wilson
Logan Wilson

It's not a battle harem though. Falling in love and fucking off never to bee seen again doesn't really make it much a harem, and the romance is pretty much non-existent.

I haven't read the shitty light novels though, so I'm talking about the anime.

Nolan Anderson
Nolan Anderson

Antagonist is usually who sets things into gear, if he's awful it means the things happening right now don't have a good motive which is bad.
I don't think the antagonist is the most important piece but a bad antagonist is one of the fastest ways to dislike a show for me.

Chase White
Chase White

I haven't read the shitty light novels though, so I'm talking about the anime.
Clearing the air, is everyone in this topic talking about just anime, as prompted by OP? Or are we extending this to stories in general?

Camden Jackson
Camden Jackson

A battle harem is where you have a bunch of chicks liking the MC but they support him in battle instead of having the romance part developed but you till get the bullshit typical fan service an generic harem scenes.

Index is literally this so i don't see how you are still refusing it to see as such.

Oliver Johnson
Oliver Johnson

Depends, but when the focus is on someone that's shit it really doesn't help

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

It's literally not. He fights alongside maybe two girls who like him in the show. Otherwise he fights alone.

I watch a lot if harem garbage. This series is garbage in its own way, but not because it's a battle harem.

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

What girls in the show actually have romantic interest in him, and fight with him? Minus static slut and book.

Samuel Collins
Samuel Collins

And Index doesn't even fight.

Aaron Jackson
Aaron Jackson

four examples of shitty protags summed up by respective titles:
guilty crown
attack on titan
evangelion
gankutsuo
are they not worth watching?

Nicholas Mitchell
Nicholas Mitchell

raildex isn't a harem. it's literally just 1 girl (biribiri) who likes him in a romantic way and a bunch of other girls who are there for fanservice that weebs have created their own headcanon about.

guys can be friends with girls without wanting to fuck them

Gabriel Nelson
Gabriel Nelson

Misaka
Fukiyose
Index
kazakiri
Itsuwa
Orsola
Himegami

All these sluts wanted his dick and at times fighted with 4 of them and it even gets worse in the LN.

I'd probably push it saying Kanzaki too but she more like respects him but obviously is fap bait,

Eli Garcia
Eli Garcia

What is Misaki
Literally a whole fucking volume about her muh romance

Josiah Hughes
Josiah Hughes

The perfect mix is Shuraragi, not too beta, no Chad, but alpha when it counts and cheeky as fuck.

Ryder Roberts
Ryder Roberts

that's a dumb reasoning

it's normal for high school kids to have multiple romances. that's when you find out who you are, what you want, etc. touma not having any real girlfriends during high school is the weird part

Blake Garcia
Blake Garcia

Bitching about beta protags
Bitching about alpha protags

Sup Forums - Living the dream.

Ryder Stewart
Ryder Stewart

That's dumb as fuck. Most shows with a bad protagonist aren't expecting you to watch it for the protagonist in he first place.

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

Yet a shitty protag can ruin any series.

Lucas Watson
Lucas Watson

No, it really can't.

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

Different people.

Normalfags and females don't like beta protagonists.

David Flores
David Flores

there are some anime where the side charackters make it worth to watch it

Ryan Johnson
Ryan Johnson

Don't forget

Bitching about guys in between being too normal

You can't win with Sup Forums ever.

Ryan Williams
Ryan Williams

I think it's important to distinguish between a bland protagonist and a "bad" protagonist. A "bad" protagonist can be interesting depending on the way the show is written. A bland protagonist is just irredeemable. If the main character of a story is that boring and uncreative it tells me a lot about the rest of the work. The vehicle that moves the narrative is extremely important in any story. I think Sup Forums should be at the point where you guys can point out if a show is more of the same harem trash.

Robert Martin
Robert Martin

That's how I feel about Stardust memories, but it's less about the protag, and more like 85% of the characters.

Anthony Sanchez
Anthony Sanchez

Bland protagonists serve the purpose of allowing the viewer to identify with him. The harem anime you're referring to provide a romantic wish-fulfilment fantasy to the audience where someone timid, not particularly good looking, etc. is surrounded by lots of beautiful girls. As soon as you made the protagonist more 'interesting' he'd have characteristics a lot of the audience is lacking, and it would make it much less satisfying, as it would no longer be a story they could envision themselves in, but a story about someone more capable than them which they couldn't live up to.
Very often this sort of criticism seems to me like it's coming from a normalfag-ish perspective of people who don't watch anime for escapist reasons.
Plenty of /a/nons however, do watch anime - or at least some anime - for that very reason. If you're a normalfag with a regular sex life that may be unimaginable, but for many /a/nons that's the reality.

Christopher Roberts
Christopher Roberts

I'm a wizard and I still hate faggot MCs.

Jason Jenkins
Jason Jenkins

Bakemonogatari

David Nguyen
David Nguyen

seems to me like it's coming from a normalfag-ish perspective of people who don't watch anime for escapist reasons.

I guess you're right on this. I tend to want to watch stories that are interesting more than I want to actually be the guy in the show and vicariously live through him. I still think it's lazy that you can't have protags that have even a couple things that stand out about them rather than just being entirely interchangeable. That kind of anime is a chore to watch because even if you self insert into this cardboard cut out, he'll almost never make the decisions you would want. Worst girl will always win, or worse, you'll get a shitty open end and infinite sequels where nobody wins. Nisekoi is a perfect example of this. VNs/ games are a much better medium for escapism.

Julian Bell
Julian Bell

Quite naturally. The more relevant a protagonist is to the development of whatever events unfold in the series, the more repulsive it becomes if you don't like him at all. Unless the story let's the character develop into a likeable one of course.

Jordan Young
Jordan Young

I want MisterMetokur out of this thread, immediately.

Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

Who?

Ayden Morris
Ayden Morris

In fact I wish that part of the fandom would fuck of fans die out.
fuck of fans die out.

Ok, can you not? Can you not spell like a fucking moron, please? At least on Sup Forums, of all places, keep your ESL-tier English to a minimum.

Mason Gutierrez
Mason Gutierrez

Hannibal Lecter had like 10% screen time and is often considered one of the most well done characters in film history.

Joshua Lopez
Joshua Lopez

I like Watamote though.

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