Muv-Luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

Starting with West Germans this time.

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music
https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7z8Id9eJx0
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B01B3S1T8Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&keywords=%E3%83%99%E3%82%A2%E3%83%88%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BB%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A1&qid=1463510084&redirect=true&sr=8-2
http://www.age-soft.co.jp/Product/sm/wac/index.htm?process=7&escurl=../character10_esc.html
https://www.twitch.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/08/06/national/history/coup-emperors-broadcast-never/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_incident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTx6ZogBbY
http://anicobin.ldblog.jp/archives/48215313.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9DijlVkIGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP0S3xL2S8U
Jace Adams
Jace Adams

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music

Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.
He`s now working on his next album about interdimensional matress travel - when he`s not busy calling out the jew.

Also, commissar Gretel and Martin were lucky to attend to the last concert of the Puhdys https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4 [Embed]

But you can't forget the classics(if fucking shlomo didn`t block them where you live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g

Juan Peterson
Juan Peterson

I want to fuck Theo

no homo

Justin King
Justin King

He's a pretty good looking guy I'll give him that.

Cameron Johnson
Cameron Johnson

Get in line, I suppose?

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

you'll never give Pham a Phamily

Carson Allen
Carson Allen

Edel, jr. Plz go.

Get yourself tested

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

It hurts, this feel.

It's so hard to watch - she desperately wants love, but she is so caring about everyone that she will sacrifice her own happiness until she has nothing left.

Tyler Lewis
Tyler Lewis

If it helps odds are she may survive in at least one route in Martyrs.

Thomas Harris
Thomas Harris

But will someone tell her she too deserves love?

It's interesting, isn't it? She is somewhat like another girl we know, who desired more than anything to be told the same.

Parker White
Parker White

But will someone tell her she too deserves love?
It's interesting, isn't it? She is somewhat like another girl we know, who desired more than anything to be told the same.

I can't do it, its too cryptic. I can think of at least two girls you might be talking about. And I don't know if she's gonna get romance, but she deserves to live.

Eli Ramirez
Eli Ramirez

Alex did plenty wrong, didn't he.

Caleb Rivera
Caleb Rivera

The difference between Pham and someone like Sylwia or Lise or even Iris, is Pham isn't broken. She's hurts sometimes, and she's been hurt before, but so far as I know, she's never been emotionally damaged the same way that a lot of the other girls have. She doesn't need Theo to rescue her (except in a very literal sense related to physical survival) and I think, if Pham ever made it out of the DDR alive, She'd find someone special. I could definitely see her falling in love with a hypothetical crew chief of her TSF, and her biggest struggle being working around commissioned/enlisted antifraternization regulations.

I also think she's the one who would be most likely to bang her crew chief, since I think that, given the opportunity, she'd basically adopt her ground crew.

Jose Jones
Jose Jones

1983 was not a good time to be a futt bucker

Dominic Rodriguez
Dominic Rodriguez

At least Schweppenstette did nothing wrong.

Levi Morgan
Levi Morgan

He could have spent more time developing a relationship with his son.

Brandon Stewart
Brandon Stewart

Best TSF. Takemifags need not apply.

Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall

Ah you're right, that's a third then.

I was thinking of Beato actually.

But Pham is broken in her own way, isn't she? Her heart is so big, and her kindness so vast, that she feels she has to shoulder so many burdens. She's very much a self-martyr when it comes to love, kindness, and happiness for all - she is the person who would burn her own life out a thousand times over if it meant putting a smile on people's faces. She, more than many others, understands that the last lights must never die. All the more so in these dark times.

It's why I adore her, why I FEEL her in my very soul. It's because I realize, I have been and will be, what it means to feel this. To try to make everyone's day better, make everyone's hearts whole again - ignoring the cold dead hunger inside, crying desperately for that one thing we all need.


That hunger, it just gets quieter over time. It never really goes away though. It never will.

Aaron James
Aaron James

Phamfag, this has been said many times already, you truly are like your waifu. So you need to cheer up a bit as well, its what she would want.

Henry Anderson
Henry Anderson

altered fable sure is fun heh

too bad it stopped just there . oh well

Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

If there's no KS update this week I'm ending it.

Blake Scott
Blake Scott

Sure thing buddy.

Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore

Katawa Shoujo dropped like three years ago

Chase James
Chase James

It's what she would want, yes. But I'm not as good as her. Maybe that is also why I adore her. I aspire to be more like her.

But Stella would say otherwise, no?

John Martin
John Martin

that smile
rape?

Thomas Gutierrez
Thomas Gutierrez

Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

James Hall
James Hall

Is that Beatrix?

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

posting best girls.

Logan Long
Logan Long

Posting

Jason Gutierrez
Jason Gutierrez

If the EXTRA beta doesn't come out today i'm ending it!

Jacob Wood
Jacob Wood

Lise has finally been served her just desserts for all the long-distance running she has put you through. She has shin splints, and some minor bruising on the meniscus on her right knee, though the doctor told her that is nothing to worry about. Still, she has been advised not to run for at least six weeks. Right now, she's pouting about this twist of fate. However, she's pouting with a pair of harbinger fingerless gloves on, and a towel draped over her shoulders. You've decided that it is time to introduce her to the wild and wonderous world of picking up heavy things and then putting them down again, over and over.

"What are those things?"

"Those are kettlebells. You can use them for weighted pull-ups, since they don't flop over when you try and loop the belt chain through them like with normal plates."

"That seems like a pretty pointless and limited use. what are they really for?"

"Getting stupid people to sign up for gym memberships?"

You shrug your shoulders and smile unevenly. You're sure kettlebells have other uses, but god bless you, you can't think of any. Lise points to the row of machines

"What are those for?"

"Those are definitely for getting stupid people to sign up for gym memberships." At least you can be confident on this one.

"So what are you even supposed to do here?"

"Free weights."

"I... I'm not going to become one of those freakish looking muscle women, am I?"

"You don't have nearly enough testosterone for that. Those women are roiding."

"...Oh. Maybe I'm not ready for resistance training anyway. Knees and all that."

You grin to yourself, trying to hide from Lise the true nature of the device you are about to inflict on her.

"In that case, why don't you try an ergometer? This is a Concept 2 model C. It's the best cardio ever invented."

"The best? Are you sure?"

"Of Course I'm sure. Why don't you try it? 2000 Meters, maybe?"

Austin Jones
Austin Jones

PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

Those Slavs were made for breeding, even if they were designed for war!

Ryan Ortiz
Ryan Ortiz

I want to combine our collective commie genes with Cryska and make many beautiful Euroasian babies!

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

Gambatte Lise, you have discovered a different but equally painful world of pain.

Hudson Johnson
Hudson Johnson

with Cryska
not with Inia

Bentley Anderson
Bentley Anderson

COMMUNIST INVADER DETECTED ON AMERICAN SOIL.

Cooper Martin
Cooper Martin

Vladimir Sandek is not amused.

James Thomas
James Thomas

Cut him some slack, he couldn't resist the Austismoe

William Wright
William Wright

But Cryska is expired goods,

Owen Morales
Owen Morales

Us chinks are used to getting damaged goods. I think I might even prefer a little breaking in, especially when it comes to my Mabu-Ravus. Broken girls are cute! CUTE!

Oliver Bailey
Oliver Bailey

Even if she is a secondary Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

Sebastian Fisher
Sebastian Fisher

I'm sure we could find some Tang to restore her to health.

Carson Carter
Carson Carter

Well, one of them anyways.

Her and Theo were cute.

Cooper Stewart
Cooper Stewart

/fit/ weighs in on Schwarzesmarken

I like it!

Also, this would normally be a time for a joke on the steroid taking communist Olympic womens teams!

Which will win? Autismoe, or cloudcuckoolander-moe?

Sebastian Johnson
Sebastian Johnson

How does this make you feel?

Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

I eat you're waifu

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

gloves
GAAAAAAAAAAAAY

D`83 jokes are for patricians.

Jackson Cook
Jackson Cook

Autismoe for me please thet're both the same shit anyways, just pick between pedobait and tittymonsterbait

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

I've got no love for that series. If anything I feel bad for you guys, because no one fucking takes Muv-Luv seriously outside of your faggots.

If I want a mecha game there's always Armored Core.

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

cloudcuckoolander-moe
I'll take this one

Adam Williams
Adam Williams

If I want a mecha game there's always Armored Core.

It isn't a mecha game, it's just a quake3 with mecha skin. Real mecha simulators are very scarce.

I've got no love for that series. If anything I feel bad for you guys, because no one fucking takes Muv-Luv seriously outside of your faggots.

O.K., 2 deep for u

Mason Wood
Mason Wood

1. we're not here for the mechas, hell most of us admit they're a dumb weapon in the first place.

2. what do you care if we take it seriously? if anything you're far more pathetic coming over trying to start shit on our little corner of the board for shits and giggles, or worse, cause you think this is a serious matter that needs correcting.

3.Aramored Core WAS good, It began to suck with 4 and only continued sucking with For Answer, 5 and Verdict Day Silent Line a best! A BEST!!

Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

2 deep for u
Not him,but how the fuck muv-luv is deep

Carson Sanders
Carson Sanders

hell most of us admit they're a dumb weapon in the first place

But they're fun, and isn't that what really matters?

Samuel Young
Samuel Young

"I... I'm not going to become one of those freakish looking muscle women, am I?"
"You don't have nearly enough testosterone for that. Those women are roiding."
I KNEW IT

Angel Stewart
Angel Stewart

But they're fun
Yamato damashii is not fun after some time.

and isn't that what really matters?
Not really. Sometimes you just want to watch a soviet tank battalion on a meeting engagement.

Something which we have never seen.

Owen Richardson
Owen Richardson

The real MfS insignia and not that ML abomination

It almost compensated for the ugly ass face they gave her.

Sebastian Adams
Sebastian Adams

I wish the real Germany would be this flamboyant.

Hunter Scott
Hunter Scott

what are lederhosen for 200 trebek

Jaxson Scott
Jaxson Scott

that hair downstairs

Grayson Bennett
Grayson Bennett

That is a nice chart. Though it's still funny how only Japan manages to get aircraft it never had historically or based on a real world craft.

I like to hope Koukhi will basically say at some point tons more countries had their own aircraft/TSF programs that bore out in this world as opposed to our own.

Look in corner
A-12

Muh dik

John Thomas
John Thomas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7z8Id9eJx0

Lucas Price
Lucas Price

To be fair, it's like watching his sister grope his sister.

Gommies are dead and over with, don't you know? Turns out, their cultural marxism was what posed a longer term existential threat to us, not their brainless states backed by their supposedly mighty military machines.

Lucas Sanchez
Lucas Sanchez

posed
It`s fucking you in the ass with a rainbow-colored dragon dildo right now.

Camden Wright
Camden Wright

A quick thought, since a TSF design of the J-XX is already drawn now, and adaptation of the Shinshin is confirmed as a TSF too, how long until Cookie decides to draw the AMCA? Then again, I suppose he may have to draw the PAK-FA first, though it doesn't seem the Su-47 was only a demonstrator in the MLverse.

Jayden Stewart
Jayden Stewart

There are quite a number of planes that didn't make it to TSFs or TSAs for that matter. It might take some years until non Jap and non Yank planes make it to ML.

Dylan Cooper
Dylan Cooper

Who removed >>141641452???

Gabriel Cox
Gabriel Cox

So Kyoko rapresent Kawasaki in the big 5 shogunate family?

Christian Morris
Christian Morris

Do I really have to play Muv Luv Extra and Unlimited to play Alternative?

Jose Clark
Jose Clark

Yes, don't be a little bitch.

Maybe, who knows.

Thomas Gonzalez
Thomas Gonzalez

Creepy soldier-kun on the helmet

Fuck

Elijah Roberts
Elijah Roberts

He is always there lately. Check Latrova's handbag.

James Edwards
James Edwards

What the point in playing alt without unlimited?
And in extra you're fine with just Meiya and Kei routes.
Also these threads are horrible
fanfics
same posts spam.
kys

Parker Jackson
Parker Jackson

no /a/non, do it.

Landon Bailey
Landon Bailey

Mmmmhhhmmm, these delicious Senseis.

Caleb Harris
Caleb Harris

soldier-kun, stop

Camden Robinson
Camden Robinson

No, senseis taste the best!

Noah Campbell
Noah Campbell

how can 2 girls be so perfect?

Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

Because the BETA must be defeated at all costs.

Luke Perry
Luke Perry

Regrettably, yes

Evan Lewis
Evan Lewis

Right, so we need to execute these people and find someone who actually knows what they're doing.

Owen Cook
Owen Cook

So nobody? Because competent grunts aren't necessarily great strategists user.

Brayden Thomas
Brayden Thomas

tfw no Yugoslavia Front VN

Asher Johnson
Asher Johnson

Don't worry user, I'm sure they fought like lions and the less of the retarded ML politics we get the better.

Joseph Nelson
Joseph Nelson

implying Tito will allow any nutty politics in his state
He'd just go Stalin Lite on them.

Jonathan Sullivan
Jonathan Sullivan

I wish there was something we could talk about.

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

How do you like your Mabu Rabus? Bloodier than this? or less?

Xavier Reed
Xavier Reed

We could do a poll on opinions of how the routes for Martyrs are gonna work out.

now there is Iris fig
still no Beato in sight.

Luke Edwards
Luke Edwards

Beatrix's penetration CGs in a couple of months

It's going to be a good day.

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

She has a daki and a ton of posters though.

Julian Parker
Julian Parker

Yeah, but I'm talking about figs. And aren't most of those posters and the daki, limited editions made for events only?

Leo Mitchell
Leo Mitchell

Type-00 Takemikazuchi is the best TSF there is, no substitutions, arguments, or debates.

Hudson Rivera
Hudson Rivera

They're definitely cheaper at their events, but you can still pick them up elsewhere. It's not like the figs aren't for specialty events either:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B01B3S1T8Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&keywords=%E3%83%99%E3%82%A2%E3%83%88%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BB%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A1&qid=1463510084&redirect=true&sr=8-2

Noah Rodriguez
Noah Rodriguez

Seems to me that this guy wants to argue though.

Ryan Hernandez
Ryan Hernandez

Do you want to talk about how it would be a great idea to extend then intial first line of defence which is 80 kilometers away from the oder-nesser line and consist of landmines to 160 kilometers and have 3 mobile divisional battle groups (2 tank divisions and 1 motorised rifle division with 5 times the normal amount of ATGM and anti tank guns.) and have these fight inside the former polish territory to slow down and wear down the BETA attack groups before they reach the first line of defence?

You may wonder how these divisions would be supplied and the answer is simple, Mi-6/A HOOK heavy duty transport helicopters with Mi-17/HIP H medium transport helicpters and several forward operatin bases located in good positions that are easy to defend and is not in the way of the BETA main attack route.

You can also have TSF squadrons support these divisions with the help of Attack helicopter regiments for maximum combined arms warfare.

Ayden Kelly
Ayden Kelly

What/who could make adult Beatrix pout like pic related?

Elijah Parker
Elijah Parker

You know it.

Connor Johnson
Connor Johnson

shin splints
Oh goddamn, that takes me back to my time in the military. So many little bitches complaining about how a ruck march would give them shin splints.

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

She shouldn't sweep her sidebangs behind her ears. It doesn't really suit her, even if she does have a very lickable nape

Brandon Harris
Brandon Harris

I think that a joint Czechoslovakian-East German-Polish defence line at the Vistula and San rivers would have been preferable, had it been build before the fall of Poland, since its only 50% or so longer and could have pooled the resources of three countries instead of each Pact Nation trying to hold alone. Hell, holding Silesia by using the upper Oder as well, could have worked better than the original, since it shortens the line overall and gives both the CSSR and the DDR some defence in depth, even if only along a part of the front.

If Jürgen's dead, nothing. Except perhaps a replacement.

Andrew Diaz
Andrew Diaz

How come Kai Shiden is always the asshole?

Cameron Jenkins
Cameron Jenkins

So if Juergen was the Char of Muv-Luv, does that make Beatrix the Haman?

Adrian Morris
Adrian Morris

Vistula and san rivers are good locations but sadly it was not built before the fall.

And your example of the holding silesia is also pretty good. It may also give more morale to the troops since they are fighting with another warsaw pact nation whom still exists instead of being alone on their own frontline.

But better defensive fortifications wont on the long run hold it without a offensive manouvers. But it would greatly benefit the situation in europe.

Nolan Foster
Nolan Foster

You and Lise are in the back of the gym, having a race to see who can row 2000m the fastest. You already showed Lise the basics of using a rowing machine, that is, Legs, Back, Arms, then Arms, Back, Legs. It's pretty simple once you get the hang of it. You settle into a rhythm, start counting your strokes, and tune out the world around you. Lise is not so similarly inclined. She's wailing away on the machine, which is set to maximum resistance. Her eyes are locked in rapt attention on the behind of some cardio bunny who is using a stairmaster several rows in front of you. Luckily for you, all of this stimulation does not translate itself to good rowing form, and she's using her legs, arms and back to pull the chain all at once, instead of isolating the three groups. Her rowing is erratic, and her breathing doesn't seem to line up with anything particular position of her body.

As you notch 2000m, Lise is still barely at 900m. You cover your mouth to suppress a grin.

"I win."

Lise looks up at you, exhausted. You put your hand on your shoulder. "We still need to work on your form."

She nods, and gets up from the ergometer. That can come later. For now, you head to your respective locker rooms, then drop into the hot tub for a nice relaxing warm-down.

Ayden Taylor
Ayden Taylor

So much about what could have been, and not about what really happened. Its sad, but competent planning is a rarity in ML in general.

But then again, the focus was usually on the characters and not the plot. Which is one of the weaknesses of SM, it tries to focus on the plot as well. But in order for everything to play out the way it did, almost everyone must have taken the worst option possible.

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

SM is extremely character driven though.

Dominic Gomez
Dominic Gomez

But the plot is somewhat hard to swallow. A single speech by the daughter of a Unperson brings down the Wall, a State Security apparatus that's basically feral and is composed of stupidly evil personnel and is incapable of doing its actual job, etc.
The characters are fine, but what's happening seems to overshadow them enough to make Watanabe give us his take on the whole matter.

Still enjoyed it though and looking forward to the translation of the LNs and VNs, but there are parts where you just have to enjoy it without thinking too hard.

Easton Anderson
Easton Anderson

Stop the stupid gym meme and get to fucking running in a forest like a proper German soldier.

Kevin Garcia
Kevin Garcia

I see she still has a few insecurities to iron out. Hope the bunny made it out of the locker room with all her teeth still in her skull.

Jaxon Ortiz
Jaxon Ortiz

Oh du schöner Westerwald,

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

or burying "beware moose" signs in beaches

Thomas Walker
Thomas Walker

The shitty part is that Hiroki should know better since he's a huge history nerd. The stasi really do bring down the whole narrative and turn it into a farce though. How an organization composed almost entirely of reckless psycopaths who must hurt others and don't even bother to hide shit like death/concentration camps for undesirables (in post-WWII communist Germany of all things) attained such power despite acting outside of the state in the face of much more pragmatic organizations is difficult to swallow, nor why 1/5 of the population would even want to help or inform for them.

Anthony Adams
Anthony Adams

But lets assume that we are forced to start from the current oder-nesser line and that there is no joint defensive line with the czech em's.

My plan should be possible and workable.

You could have two major mine lines, one which is 80 kilometers away from the line and then another one at 160 kilometers.

If a mine free land route is wanted into poland then it could be placed on the upper part of the oder-nesser line. If the BETA try to go there then East German Navy would be able to pound them.

History nerd does not really equal to understanding why history went X instead of Y or Z.

He may like reading history and think it is cool but if he understands why things happend is another thing.

Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis

Woah, she is really pissed. She should drink some tea.

Landon Hughes
Landon Hughes

Retarded evil villains aren't always bad and can be a lot of fun, but characters like Beatrix really do clash with the overall tone of SM. SM takes itself too seriously to have over the top evil caricatures. It's why characters like pic related may be great in Hellsing, but absolutely ridiculous in something like a Miyazaki film.

Adam Adams
Adam Adams

A single speech by the daughter of a Unperson brings down the Wall

ever hear of the expression "the straw that broke the camel's back"

a State Security apparatus that's basically feral and is composed of stupidly evil personnel and is incapable of doing its actual job

This is mostly the fault of the anime, where the Stasi are nothing more than moustache-twirlling cartoon villains. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that the VN/LN Stasi aren't evil, but most of the incompetence stems from the butchering done by the anime, which they don't care to try and make it a legit adaptation since they're using it as a marketing tool to bring in secondaries into the fold, so they can sell them the VN/LN as well as figmas and all other sorts of crap that fools with too much money and no impulse control will happily pay for.

looking forward to the translation of the LNs and VNs, but there are parts where you just have to enjoy it without thinking too hard.

Par for the course with Muv Luv in general. There's a lot of shit you're just better off ignoring.

Anthony Bennett
Anthony Bennett

Oh wait.

Hiroki is the one that wrote the LN yes. But he is not the one behind the anime but that is Watanabe. The guy that did not know the stasi was real.

Jaxon Reyes
Jaxon Reyes

Yeah, Watanabe is the director and guy who though the stasi was made up until Hiroki corrected him.

David Parker
David Parker

Figmas

I wish. We're getting Kotobukiya and that's about it. I really hope they decide to come out with a Lise nendoroid, though, it would be amazing.

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

I am not saying that its not possible, defence in depth is preferable to that rigid line they have, so many lives wasted in the trenches, when they could be better used.

Right on the money.

There are many reasons why Beatofags like me exist user. And one of them is the opinion that she is not, or at least wasn't meant to be the non plus ultra evil sadist and mass murderer some believe her to be. Not saying she isn't evil though.

ever hear of the expression "the straw that broke the camel's back"

I have. I doubt that a single speech could do that in a totalitarian dictatorship, under the conditions shown in story. The wall fell in RL do to a speech. But only because of many, many factors paving the way.

Sebastian Ramirez
Sebastian Ramirez

I thought you guys mostly liked her because she's hot and voiced by Yukarin.

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown

It would be a waste of a design perfectly made for a nendoroid if they didn't.

Brody Taylor
Brody Taylor

I am not a fan of Tamura's voice, its usually too squeaky for my taste. And no matter how hot, at some point your morals kick in. But that's just me, and you have to remember, there were Beatofags long before Tamura voiced her.

Asher Gomez
Asher Gomez

Usually, yeah, but Tamura's sexy voice is incredible.

Cameron Kelly
Cameron Kelly

It is. http://www.age-soft.co.jp/Product/sm/wac/index.htm?process=7&escurl=../character10_esc.html

And one of the anime's flaws is that it toned down that charm she is supposed to have. But well, its too late now, and we still have the VN.

Matthew Morris
Matthew Morris

Yeah, I don't think she got as into her role as she did for the VN.

https://www.twitch.
tv/planetwarrior/v/
38971154?t=05m10s

Too rough, not enough elegance or smoothness in the anime's take.

Liam Williams
Liam Williams

Yukarin has a great voice, and obviously people are more tolerant of Beatrix than if she looked like Danny DeVito, but part of the appeal of Beatofaggotry is that she's a lonely, heartbroken girl trapped in a vicious cycle of escalating violence that she can occasionally steer but is unable to stop, and you just want to steal her away from the nightmare she's trapped in.

I'm actually a Lisefag, btw

Nathaniel Sullivan
Nathaniel Sullivan

Iris sounds way hotter too.

John Rivera
John Rivera

Yuimouto is love
Yuimouto is life

Camden Anderson
Camden Anderson

I noticed Lise seemed to have a deeper voice too. Not sure the reason but they made her more mature in looks and voice.

she's a lonely, heartbroken girl trapped in a vicious cycle of escalating violence that she can occasionally steer but is unable to stop, and you just want to steal her away from the nightmare she's trapped in.

Theres a reason they say Beato and Lisefags are in bed together.

Jack Morales
Jack Morales

The purer something is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt it.

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

Theres a reason they say Beato and Lisefags are in bed together.

Indeed.

Jace Fisher
Jace Fisher

Kohaku please.

John Garcia
John Garcia

the nightmare she's trapped in

And the primary position, I suppose, comes from the nightmare she has decided to trap everyone else in.

Ethan Perry
Ethan Perry

position

Opposition.

Nolan Lee
Nolan Lee

Beato apologists
She was just a bitch, deal with that.

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

Cryska, Inia and Yui are my waifus.

Alexander Brown
Alexander Brown

Correct

Blake Wood
Blake Wood

'tis evening in murrica I see.

Jackson Robinson
Jackson Robinson

it's evening in canada to, eh

Landon Miller
Landon Miller

Someone said last thread that if she let all the pain she went through change her into a monster, then she deserved all that pain.

Yeah. That seems to be her role. Beatrix is a prime example that beauty is only skin deep. She's largely acknowledged as the hottest girl in and out of story, but is extremely ugly on the inside (I guess that's where the Wearwolf name comes from).

Give me someone like Katia or Iris, who may not be as physically attractive, but have beautiful personalities.

Colton Ramirez
Colton Ramirez

Is Ellen the greatest tease and bantzmaster left after Alt. V?

blandness is beauty
Or did I read you wrong?

Angel Flores
Angel Flores

I'm going to go out on a limb and say most of the Malfags are Americans. It sucks that they have such a shit anime community.

Christopher Wood
Christopher Wood

I'm actually europoor
iris
not attractive
Beatrix didn't become bitch after Jurgen death.
It was the trigger,but she did it by herself.
inb4 she saved girls for PTSD battalion
All she needed were loyal subordinates, she didn't care about them all

Chase Lopez
Chase Lopez

Waaaait. Aren`t alternatives all ages?

Michael Fisher
Michael Fisher

if she let all the pain she went through change her into a monster, then she deserved all that pain.
What a horrifying outlook to have on life.

Jack Young
Jack Young

What, I can't have a negative opinion of Beatrix?
Sorry, but after reading all of SM and BiS I still found her to be a bad human being.

Chase Moore
Chase Moore

don'i lie you didn't read it and BiS isn't even finished.

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

you finished reading a series that hasn't been completed yet?

Matthew Jackson
Matthew Jackson

Beatrix was always evil. She was born fucked up, and I think that if it wasn't Jurgen and the stasi, it would have been something else that would have made her snap and become a serial killer. I don't think Beatrix is really capable of love or true empathy, even for people she thinks she loves like Jurgen.

Lise went through far, far worse than her but still managed to hold onto a shred of decency while Beatrix fully embraced evil. I think that how she behaves in SM is who she truly is.

Yeah, she's an absolute cunt. Nothing really that tragic about her in my opinion. Her death was a good thing and it was extremely cathartic seeing it happen.

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

He could mean all of BiS up to this point.

Asher Cruz
Asher Cruz

Sorry, but after reading all of SM and BiS I still found her to be a bad human being.

If you can read Jap, the you can enlighten us here with proper evidence to back you up.

Same goes for you, chap.

Wyatt Reed
Wyatt Reed

he could but more porbable is that he is just lying.

John Taylor
John Taylor

That's exactly what I said
When you say you've read all there is, it's obvious I mean all that's available

Her cute self in her teenage years doesn't erase everything she will do in the future sadly

Joshua Rivera
Joshua Rivera

No. Iris bro didn't like the DDR and she's mad butthurt over Iri existing and being better at being a pilot Basically Beatrix is a shit human being all around, and that's before we get into the torture porn

No, she's just butthurt her brother was a revolutionist and swim with sharks you're a shark thought processs

Is that anything new at all? She's a gloryhound who wants to exterminate all the possible GDR defectors from the DDR, she literally killed MCs family as far as he's concerned being a STASI cunt, Axmann

She's a rappist who fucked Pham and Sylwia and wants to fuck Katia too.

Levi Ramirez
Levi Ramirez

Her cute self in her teenage years doesn't erase everything she will do in the future sadly
No, it just means SM is badly written and that Hiroki is a hack. Esdese's backstory was much more believable for a budding psycho than Beatrix's. Trying to make Beatrix sympathetic/waifuable is stupid and goes against the whole point of her character.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

When you say you've read all there is, it's obvious I mean all that's available

No, That is specifically not what you said, and it is not something that could be reasonably inferred from the context because it directly contradicts what you said before. You've been caught in a lie.

Sorry, but after reading all of SM and BiS I still found her to be a bad human being.

Gabriel Hernandez
Gabriel Hernandez

You're just nitpicking because I said something bad about Beato

In any normal situation what I said stands true

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

Didn't Hiroki claim in a tweet that Beatrix was like a daughter to him? Or am I remembering wrong?

Xavier Turner
Xavier Turner

Wasn't she going to have Katia raped in the VNs, then try to kill Theo, Pham, and the rest when it didn't go through?
How about sabatoging the NVA to produce more casualties to make her rescue look better, or not helping Kurt's unit hold the last fort before Berlin despite having a unit of TSFs dedicated to keeping the 666th from saving Katia?

Ryan Perez
Ryan Perez

You are a liar who cannot keep his story strait. You clearly intended to argue from a point of authority, but were not familiar enough with the subject material to be convincing.

Carson Flores
Carson Flores

Buddy, don't ask me, I'm the one asking for proof for all claims made. You lot, meaning the fanatical Beatrix haters, rarely come with any evidence beyond your own interpretations of widely known, but necessarily seen events. If you can deliver evidence please do, it would finally kill this endlessly repeating clusterfuck that is the debate on Beatrix's nature.

Kevin Gonzalez
Kevin Gonzalez

Wasn't she going to have Katia raped in the VNs
No evidence to suggest it but her Werewolf battalion being in the area probably means that lead-belly in Neuenhagen was keeping an eye on her for Beato

How about sabotaging the NVA to produce more casualties to make her rescue look better
Yes that was during the Maelstrom but it wasn't stated that it was her original plan but she went along with it since it advanced her goals
The Nuremberg defense isn't a suitable defense in court though

not helping Kurt's unit hold the last fort before Berlin despite having a unit of TSFs dedicated to keeping the 666th from saving Katia
Yup she prioritized capturing Katia right after Theo and Annette got her out of the fort

Whatever you say Beatofag

Liam Watson
Liam Watson

I think someone else said that Beatrix seemed like the author's daughter and Hiroki agreed with his post.

Tyler Jackson
Tyler Jackson

Exactly, she's as bad as Axmann, and has possibly even surpassed him by the time SM has started.

Evan Hernandez
Evan Hernandez

Wording it like that makes it sound like she was based off his daughter. Perhaps its the way Hiroki describes Beatrix that makes him sound affectionate towards her. If there had been a clear vision of her character between every source she appears in (LN/BiS/anime) then a lot of this back and forth could be avoided.

Speaking of fathers I can't help but imagine what it would be like to be Mr. Hohenstein. I hope his death was quick, I don't want to think of what it would be like to know my daughter went through what Lise did after she was captured.

Chase Perry
Chase Perry

I wouldn't say as bad as Axmann since she doesn't actively ruin the life of her female henchmen

Nicholas Butler
Nicholas Butler

Wasn't her plan largely pointless too? It's not like Europe needed East Germany to sacrifice itself to evacuate. They did just fine getting everyone, even the East Germans, out of Europe. So really, all the death and evil she unleashed didn't serve a purpose. She can't even claim to be a greater good utilitarian like Yuuko and is in the end just another tinpot dictator wannabe.

Luis Sanchez
Luis Sanchez

Yeah, but she was basically trying to do on a national scale what Axmann did to Lise, which makes her worse in my mind.

Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

This implies hindsight user, we can't assume she knew everything we know, even if her plan was ultimately useless.

Using them as cannon fodder and whoring them out and breaking them, differ quite a bit, even if I think I can follow your argument, that in the end they end being someone's expendable tools.

Gabriel Wright
Gabriel Wright

The delight she takes in their suffering would say otherwise. It wouldn't surprise me if she had a system going on with Axmann where she provides him with people, he has his fun, then he gives the broken people back to her for her to play with.

Ryder Cox
Ryder Cox

This is where "whats and ifs" start getting thrown around but I'm on the side that her plan was ultimately pointless and optimistic
It's not that East Germany had to sacrifice itself for the sake of the evacuation, it was that she was trying to set an example to the UN and other nations that a country ruled by might and fear would do better militarily against the BETA.
In doing so she hoped other countries would adopt the same form of iron rule and then the supposed increase in military performance against the BETA would save the planet.

But I think her plan was far-fetched and that no other major nation would follow her example

No matter how much I dislike her I find it hard to believe that she would condone something like that
But under her policy of iron rule by the Stasi I imagine she would give in to reason and accept that said practice would continue no matter what she did.

Please don't use the anime Beato as a reference
They still are enemies and she hates how Axemann does his job
No matter how much I don't like her the anime ver is off the charts

Benjamin Adams
Benjamin Adams

An idiot could see that her plan wasn't going to work. That a 15 year old girl could figure out how to have her cake and eat it too tells me that either Beatrix was either malicious or a retard.

This is where "whats and ifs" start getting thrown around but I'm on the side that her plan was ultimately pointless and optimistic
It's not that East Germany had to sacrifice itself for the sake of the evacuation, it was that she was trying to set an example to the UN and other nations that a country ruled by might and fear would do better militarily against the BETA.
In doing so she hoped other countries would adopt the same form of iron rule and then the supposed increase in military performance against the BETA would save the planet.
But I think her plan was far-fetched and that no other major nation would follow her example

That's even more retarded. So she was advocating for global fascism and the destruction of everything good in the world. This right here is why she's worse than Axmann. It's like comparing someone like Pol Pot to the BTK murderer. I don't know how anyone could love her. As vindictive as it is, I'm glad she lost Jurgen; she never deserved to be happy.

Easton Lewis
Easton Lewis

I can't help but wonder what happened to them, if Theo was the first to break, and Lise was the last, it's implied that the others survived as well. Maybe he and his wife spent the next 5 years putting together tank transmissions in a prison factory or something. (The Nazis actually did this. It was a really dumb idea. Something like half of all Panthers were deliberately sabotaged in one way or another)

If that's the case, It's probably that he has no idea what happened to her. The next time he'd hear anything about her is when he sees the picture from operation Neptune, which would at least give him the totally wrong impression that everything is OK.

Gavin Morgan
Gavin Morgan

No matter how much I don't like her the anime ver is off the charts

What don't you like about the anime version compared to the LN. I hear that the anime version is actually nicer in some respects (like not torturing Iris).

Brody Peterson
Brody Peterson

"Are we...are we cucks Sibowski?"
"N-no, Schultz...we're not cucks..."

Colton Garcia
Colton Garcia

Her whole demeanor is just more sadistic/cruel and especially noticeable in her interactions with her subordinates
I guess what set the tone was how in the first episode she executed civilians with a grin which is not something I imagined her doing anytime before the rebellion and how she seemed in cahoots with Axemann

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

But the Beatohaters usually come out of the woodwork when most Murrilards are asleep. Americans on here at least like Beato, and some waifu her hard.

So it's either some random Asian punk, a Europoor, or one of the few Mericans holding the night watch.

She's largely acknowledged as the hottest girl in and out of story, but is extremely ugly on the inside

Yeah. By you giant flaming faggot. Now shut it with your fucking attempted meme already.

Why are Katiafags such terrible human beings?

Maaaaybe

Chase Reed
Chase Reed

Hmmm, seeing you two in fight, is kind of fun, but ultimately, there is a great flaw in 's argument. Fascism or whatever you consider to be the most evil thing in the world is preferable to extinction. And even if Beatrix was a dumb, delusional, evil bitch had her plan delivered better results it would have been preferable in those circumstances. And its very hard to believe that among tens of millions, no, hundreds of millions, one naïve fifteen year old was the only one to think up of unifying Germany and evacuating its population.

Hunter Moore
Hunter Moore

What are you talking about. Most of the Beatrixhate seems to be between 3:00 - 8:00 in the evening Eastern Time.

Bentley Martin
Bentley Martin

You cant cuck the willing.

But you can cuck Poland.

Bentley Williams
Bentley Williams

You know how Germany or Japan weren't going to surrender to the Allies despite losing bad; change the surrender to evacuate and the Allies to BETA. Selfish leaders will sacrifice millions if it allows them to stay in power for just a few more days.

The anime seems to just be a concentrated take on her. You said yourself that she's your most hated person in SM. So what they brushed off some of her more extraneous characteristics; her cruelty and sadism are the core of her character and they are what defines her.

Mason Green
Mason Green

Both Japan and Germany surrendered and the Allies never had the intention to slaughter every single Jap and German. You are pulling shit out of your ass and you know it.

Samuel Campbell
Samuel Campbell

Fascism or whatever you consider to be the most evil thing in the world is preferable to extinction
You're thinking like that because you're imaging it from a position of power
You didn't live in the Stasi controlled DDR of their universe and clearly those civilians didn't want to either.
Now imagine if currently free people suddenly had their rights taken away by a secret police and overbearing government.
It wouldn't work out either here or there, extinction or no extinction.
After all as the saying goes, better dead than red.

Hudson Allen
Hudson Allen

Hitler wanted Germany to fight on until it was totally destroyed. So did the Japanese nationalist. It was only after Hitler died and that the Emperor spoke out against the military junta that surrender was acheived.

Leo White
Leo White

The sort of fascism she advocated is the edgelord type that kidnaps children and breaks them of their morality.

Kayden Roberts
Kayden Roberts

I imagine he is talking about how military leaders were trying to keep japan in the war once the emperor had decided to surrender already

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/08/06/national/history/coup-emperors-broadcast-never/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_incident

Jack Cox
Jack Cox

Why are Katiafags such terrible human beings?
Why do Beatrixfags support such a terrible human being? Besides, Katia deserves to be loved. Unlike the others, she doesn't have the shield they have to ward off the horrors of East Germany.

Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

If Katia was the one carrying out Beato's plan
I wonder if I'd support her
maybe

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

It's up to people to rise above their trauma. Most of the characters had terrible lives but tried to be good people. She didn't.

Logan Torres
Logan Torres

Doesn't she hate totalitarianism?

Parker Hall
Parker Hall

In her younger days yes, but she changed it around that if they were going to use her she'd use them instead.
So she's using what she hated/hates as a tool now to achieve her plan.

Henry Clark
Henry Clark

It's this one very vocal guy, yes (or as he's known, Eugenicsfag, because he apparently seems to believe Beatrix was born evil and should have been snuffed out in her cradle), or two guys, one saying she should have been killed as a baby, and one droning on and on about how she's the prime example of beauty is only skin deep, yada yada.

During Europoor time, it's more the atmosphere just seems to be oppressive against Beatofags. If said faggot above stays up during that time, he gets a much more rapt audience, sadly. Though to their credit, not always.

And now we're moving into imagining cruel things about someone solely because you hate them.

Congratulations faggot, you are now like what you imagine Beatrix to be. I hope you feel proud of yourself.

Levi Rogers
Levi Rogers

Reminder that Katia was stupid enough to defect to Stasi controlled East Germany because muh unity

Zachary Edwards
Zachary Edwards

Hiroki seems to really hate Muv-Luv. Everything in SM seems to be a dark parody of ML.

Beatrix is totally wrong on everything. Like nothing she does or thinks is right, and her whole ideal that sometimes what is moral isn't always the best choice and that progress requires sacrifice is shown to be a sham. Meanwhile, Katia's naive idealism is shown to be the correct path, as it saves the most people and leads to the happiest possible ending. This is contrasted against Yuuko's pragmatism or the Valkyries who believe heavily in "making your death count".

True love is also shown very negatively. Lise and Beatrix experience true love in the way that Sumika or Meiya have and are worst people for it. Someone like Gretel, however, who doesn't devote herself totally to Martin and has a much more down to Earth romance with him (so much so that most people don't even know that they're in a relationship) is shown to be the better path. Furthermore, the main heroine and the character held up as the example for the rest, Irisdina, doesn't believe in that sort of foolish romance and put the MC at arms distance. She doesn't even give him a kiss when he tells her how much he loves her in the finale.

She was looking for info on her family, actually.

Liam Ross
Liam Ross

You know, for a beacon of hope shining out into the darkness, that girl is not very bright.

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

Reminder that no one cares cause everyone in the damn franchise has held the idiot beach ball at some point.

Leo Gray
Leo Gray

Yeah well she ended up been the "spiritual pillar" of a revolution who ended the DDR

Liam Bell
Liam Bell

Fascism or whatever you consider to be the most evil thing in the world is preferable to extinction

This is premised on the assumption that the Beatoplan was the only alternative to extinction, or at least offered a better chance of avoiding extinction than any other option. That NOT being the case, this point is (arguably) correct, but irrelevant.

Also, all the hindsight criticisms thrown at critiques of Beatrix's plan are all equally applicable to her plan itself. At the time and from our detached viewpoint, there is certainly not a preponderance of evidence saying it would have achieved optimal or even mostly positive results.

Julian Stewart
Julian Stewart

better dead than red

Excellent point.

Caleb Gray
Caleb Gray

better dead than red.
Even reds think they're better off dead.

Ryder Nguyen
Ryder Nguyen

Exactly. Her plan was stupid and she was a terrible fucking human being. Theo killing her was probably one of the best things that he could have done for Europe and the world. I have absolutely no sympathy for her, and no cute prequel shit is going to change my opinion on her.

Michael Martin
Michael Martin

well meme'd

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

Americans on here at least like Beato, and some waifu her hard.
No they don't. Most of them are Katia or Gretelfags. If you want to look at the normal quality of the American anime community, just take a visit over to MAL.

Justin Ross
Justin Ross

No
Her adoptive parents in West Germany died.
With no more living relatives she joined the Bundeswehr and eventually defected to East Germany to find her real father and what became of him since she didn't know what became of him after he left her in the west.

She always held the belief that unity was better thanks to her father's ideals but unity became a feasible priority once Iris gave her the chance later on during the beginning of the rebellion.

Jace Ross
Jace Ross

That don't make less of an idiot
let's get involved in a revolution and promise complete political reforms in a country that I don't know shit about it and I was only there for 3 months

Joseph Walker
Joseph Walker

What part of his statement is incorrect.

Jackson Powell
Jackson Powell

I've got no love for this series. If anything I feel bad for you guys, because no one fucking takes Muv-Luv seriously outside of your faggots.

If I want a mecha game there's always Armored Core.

Michael Rivera
Michael Rivera

I guess what set the tone was how in the first episode she executed civilians with a grin which is not something I imagined her doing anytime before the rebellion
But you can imagine her taking delight in murdering scores of people, can't you, because unlike Schmidt or Axmann, she's not just using evil as a vehicle for her plans, she's doing evil because she gets a thrill from it.

Landon Thompson
Landon Thompson

Nice samefagging, at least have the balls of calling him out as yourself instead of pretending to be someone else.

Then again, with that childish logic you're using in the original post, I guess this is to be expected of you.

Grayson Phillips
Grayson Phillips

It was that or be detained in Stasi custody
I'd rather start a rebellion

Sebastian Powell
Sebastian Powell

Hello again shitposter, weren't you BTFO by and earlier in the thread today?

Kevin Lopez
Kevin Lopez

Hey senpai
MuvLuv and Armored Core aren't anywhere near the same genre. You can't even compare them.
And VNs are as much "games" as Walking Sims.

Charles Perez
Charles Perez

But it's a pasta

/v/thread/337890636#p337892619

Still, to have been posting in this general for 12+ hours? You must live a pretty miserable life.

Juan Lee
Juan Lee

she's a lonely, heartbroken girl trapped in a...

The problem here is that the appeal is not of a lonely, heartbroken person; it wouldn't work with a male character under almost any circumstances. In short, it IS an appeal other than 'SHE'S HOT!', but it's still built on her sex appeal.

Inb4 NO!!!

The Byronic Hero is a thing, but he is usually quite a bit more ambiguous than Beatrix is, along with a host of other differences (much less certainty, for example).

Owen Green
Owen Green

ML as a setting is pretty ridiculous. Why do you think there were so many Frodos back in the day?

Jace Carter
Jace Carter

Yeah well SM Stasi is retarded evil, because in real life the few West Germans who defected to the DDR where actually given a spotlight

Ian Perry
Ian Perry

It think the problem is that the setting was never really all that important to the original trilogy, because Alternative never was a war story. The BETA needed to be there, but they and the rest of the world were designed to suit the narrative. This works fine in the limited scope of the original trilogy, but as a result it starts to look silly when under a more martial light.

Noah Harris
Noah Harris

Katia was given a spotlight, the anime never touched upon it and it was in passed over very very quickly in the LN/VN

Not only is the Stasi in SM retarded evil, it is also very big and far reaching compared to their real life versions

Cameron Phillips
Cameron Phillips

That doesn't contradict anything I said, though. There is a sexual aspect, it just goes far beyond skin deep (I actually prefer Iris purely for looks. She's just not as compelling as the Stasi girls past that) I'm heterosexual, so this is something that only applies to women. If I was Alex Edel, maybe I'd be more attracted to the same qualities in a big, burly Stasi bear. It would still be pretty compelling.

Brandon Scott
Brandon Scott

They should have gone with the original academy idea rather than the grim/dark war story.

Jacob Lopez
Jacob Lopez

Although now that I think about it, that might be part of what drew Tischbier to Edel, jr.

Josiah Adams
Josiah Adams

wanting the muv luv version of Infinite Stratos

no thanks

Nolan Garcia
Nolan Garcia

It would still be pretty compelling.

Probably, but I question whether it would motivate people to go to the lengths they do to justify her actions. This character might be compelling, but still unquestionably bad (in some way, shape, or form).

Luke Williams
Luke Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTx6ZogBbY

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

It MIGHT not turn out like IS but now that I think about it you're probably right. Disregard my suggestion.

Ian Murphy
Ian Murphy

I'm kind of weirded out that people were actually sad about her dying. It always seemed like her death was what allowed everyone to move on and attain happiness.

Gavin Perry
Gavin Perry

everyone sans their own dicks

Dominic Price
Dominic Price

At least her death was highly sexual.

Eli Moore
Eli Moore

Holding hands with Gretel!

Christopher Stewart
Christopher Stewart

Considering that she's responsible for torturing and killing or trying to kill the majority of everyone else's waifus, I'd say that it still stands. Sylwiafags, Katiafags, Gretelfags, Irisfags, and so forth can't stand her. The only ones who seem to like her are the Lisefags and that one weird Phamfag.

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

Because she wasn't the light, duh.

You know who it was.

Look, just ignore it. He is never, ever, going to stop shitting his stupid opinion on here, the best you can do is just ignore and move on.

Jack Anderson
Jack Anderson

My personal belief is that 99% of people are good, 99% of the time, even the sadists, even the sociopaths. Whenever that balance changes even slightly, terrible things happen, such as the cultural revolution in China or the mass killings behind lines on the Eastern Front. The Holocaust demonstrates this pretty well. They had to move to a death camp system because the killing squads were suffering a collapse of morale, and the individual actors were all insulated either from the ability to make any decisions that didn't result in their own deaths, or in the case of the officers, from the consequences of their decisions. The reason Mengele did so much of the sorting during the liquidation of Hungary's Jews is that he was reportedly the only person that could do that job sober. By comparison, Eichmann and Heydrich were almost completely insulated from the consequences of their own actions, and Hoess was a nutter who grew up talking to his pet horse.

In the long term, any other balance is essentially impossible for human civilization to function in the long term. So for me, it's less about excusing Beatrix's crimes than it is about the idea of taking a character I find fascinating and appealing, and removing her from a situation where she has to make these decisions. That's nice to think about.

As for the decisions she makes, I think she's caught in a number of traps. First of all, with each atrocity she commits, further atrocities seem more permissible by comparison. Second of all, though by now it's twisted beyond all recognition, she's serious about trying to live up to Jurgen's ideal, it's just that the path which gives her the most opportunity and influence to do good is also the one that requires her to do the most evil. Her plan is brutal and unworkable, but she's falling back on the only things that have been successful for her. That is ultimately what makes her a tragic and appealing character.

Xavier Sanchez
Xavier Sanchez

I'm not samefagging though.

Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

She saved Gretel's husbando so I cant be mad at her

Sebastian Stewart
Sebastian Stewart

I personally though she was more compelling back when she was a no frills Pham-raping, jealous psycho lesbian.

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

But she killed his whole family.

Luke Sanchez
Luke Sanchez

Pham-raping
You have my attention. When did this happen?

Carter Morales
Carter Morales

'71

Jace Reed
Jace Reed

She knows what?

Connor Wilson
Connor Wilson

Now he needs to start a new family with Gretel

Michael Barnes
Michael Barnes

Your mother and I have decided, we're hopping the wall. Go tell your brother, we leave tomorrow night.

That sounds dangerous

It is. Don't bother packing, we can't afford to be slowed down.

If this is about the drama club being shut down, its okay, really, I can just find a new hobby..

Absolutely unacceptable, you and I are artists Lise, and we can't flourish in this stifling environment. I need my creative space.

This doesn't seem worth it

You'll understand when we reach the other side.

But most people don't make it over the wall, and with the recent crackdown since..

Nonsense, we'll be fine. What could possibly go wrong.

Jeremiah Lewis
Jeremiah Lewis

I noticed Lise seemed to have a deeper voice too. Not sure the reason but they made her more mature in looks and voice.
This is one of the few changes I liked in the anime.

Wyatt Jones
Wyatt Jones

Don't forget that SM is the first to have openly evil villains who know they're evil and enjoy it. Most of the badguys in the previous MLs have been merely misguided or at least well intentioned. I think the lack of humanism that Kouki injects into his stories is really what older ML fans dislike about SM. In Kouki's works, people feel human for the most part, and even the bad ones are easy to empathize with.

Josiah Roberts
Josiah Roberts

Huh?

Caleb Nelson
Caleb Nelson

I kind of liked letting Mr. Hohenstein squirm a little bit when he found out what happened to his daughter in the mattress story.

Not too much, though, he was trying to do the right thing, after all.

Parker Perry
Parker Perry

Ah, shouldn't he be proud? Both Lise and Theo made some good art after all.

Joseph Scott
Joseph Scott

I'm sure Axmann certainly thinks so.

Mason Phillips
Mason Phillips

She looks so delicious, even while suicidally depressed. I just want to run my tongue all over her.

Dominic Walker
Dominic Walker

About to start the JFK hive and hibiki can't stop wondering who the fuck was the pilot of that of black takemi

James Powell
James Powell

Original trilogy > everything else

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

She looks more like Momoyo Kawakami I think.

Samuel Morales
Samuel Morales

Looks that way.

Jack Russell
Jack Russell

suicidally depressed
What?

James Peterson
James Peterson

Do you think Beatrix would get pissed if someone tried to touch her crossed bangs? What is Beatrix's charm point, anyways?

Brandon Adams
Brandon Adams

What is Beatrix's charm point, anyways?
Her hair antennas.

Jonathan King
Jonathan King

Just tell me user, did Humissar make it?

I am not sure I want to finish this anime.

Parker White
Parker White

Did we ever get a good look at Farka?

Nathan Myers
Nathan Myers

Nope, Lise had no friends and/or lesbian lovers in the anime. Martyrs will no doubt have her pop up.

Jaxson Nelson
Jaxson Nelson

You didn't know? I guess it gets lost in all the shitposting from that monster Katiafag, but Beatrix I'd someone who desperately wants to do the right thing. She never wanted this life. She hates what the country did to her and everyone else, and she knows she's going to hell. The only reason she didn't kill herself after Jurgen was purged was his last recording to her, begging her to live and fight for a future for them, and for mankind.

Xavier Reyes
Xavier Reyes

I want to fuck Theo in front of Lise and make her helplessly watch.

Camden Peterson
Camden Peterson

wants to do the right thing.
What she wants to do and what she does do not match up

Carter Flores
Carter Flores

Peace has returned, huh?

And yet we only have two militant haters.

Caleb Anderson
Caleb Anderson

Axmann did literally nothing wrong.
Axmann route when?

Caleb Diaz
Caleb Diaz

Why do the normies seem to love Iris so much, especially considering that most of them only know the inferior anime version? She's as far from interesting as possible.

They seem almost gleeful with some of the other girl's deaths, but touch their waifu and they're beyond pissed.

"Your decision may not have been the "good" choice, but it was the correct choice. History progresses on the sacrifices of people, does it not?"

She's a German Yuuko/Sumika hybrid; of course she's going to have questionable ethics.

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

She's a German; of course she's going to have questionable ethics.
FTFY

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

Hommussar suffered a fate far worse than death

Camden Bailey
Camden Bailey

She got turned into a boy?

Samuel Clark
Samuel Clark

Come on, you haven't even seen the best part.

Michael White
Michael White

Yes. Luckily she's a regular boring Marxist and not one of those newfangled cultural marxists, so she just rolls with it.

Jaxon Kelly
Jaxon Kelly

he was right all along, even in gundam.

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

But wouldn't that also be incest?

Landon Wright
Landon Wright

If you don't understand, you just don't understand. That or you're an animeonly.

had it right. People who like her see the chain of events that led to what she is. At most, her death isn't something to be triumphant about.

As for moving on, that is absurd. No one fucking did. There was no happiness in the end. And it was all for naught, because Germany fell soon after.

Theo, Gretel, Katia and Anette, they're extremely likely by the end just broken shells of human beings on the windswept shores of Albion.

Logan Martin
Logan Martin

Well admittedly, she is much more interesting in the VN and even the LNs. For one, she's not as pure.

But you put the nail on the head - normies.

Justin White
Justin White

le animeonly proles
not true patricians like me, feeding off chink third-rate interpretations

Your desperation is not even amusing at this point. Stop.

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

Not him but I'd sooner trust the opinions of the guys who have read the source material over those who haven't. Either way it doesn't really matter until its translated. Japan has the books, VN, and the show(which doesn't even matter to them) and the western audience has just the show aside from the few who can read jap. Theres more to these characters than what the adaption has shown that much is clear.

Ryder Kelly
Ryder Kelly

Why is it so satisfying when good opinions get repeating digits?

Hudson Peterson
Hudson Peterson

Did anyone mention patricians or proles, you cancerous /mu/ fuck?

Your desperation to keep your worldview and morality system intact is what's pathetic at this point.

Jaxon Morgan
Jaxon Morgan

I can`t understand shit the post
better write some leftie garbage quick

Then again, I`m on Sup Forums.

Carson Davis
Carson Davis

It's kind of funny, but more Japs side with Beatrix and her plan then against it, so clearly, her plan isn't as retarded as the anime makes it out to be:

http://anicobin.ldblog.jp/archives/48215313.html

Andrew Gutierrez
Andrew Gutierrez

Three sixes too, fitting considering the discussed material. That or simply Satan approves.

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

Any news now..

Surely there will be anything.

Parker Evans
Parker Evans

trusting jap tastes

Has watching chinese cartoons taught you nothing?

Asher Stewart
Asher Stewart

Yes, but the difference between them and you is that their opinion has a basis and yours does not.

Wyatt Walker
Wyatt Walker

trusting jap tastes

The Muv-Luv fandom is one of the most internationally consistent in matters of taste and opinion.

If they who have access to all the information claim that Beatrix had a point, then its most likely so.

Noah Turner
Noah Turner

they literally believe slopes

Jesus, Sup Forums, I remember you differently.

Elijah Johnson
Elijah Johnson

This is not normal Sup Forums user, this is the MabuRabu thread, the ride does things to one's mind and soul.

Oliver Morgan
Oliver Morgan

But there were many rides over the years, and /a/non usually stood firm.

Jonathan Fisher
Jonathan Fisher

usually

You said it, this is one of those exceptions.

Jonathan Hill
Jonathan Hill

Would glasses look good on Lise?

Isaac Gutierrez
Isaac Gutierrez

My boner says yes.

Eli White
Eli White

9000 hours in MS Paint says "yes"

Camden Barnes
Camden Barnes

Megane lise is cute, but it somehow doesn't fit.

Isaiah Cruz
Isaiah Cruz

She's better off without, but damn is it cute.

Jaxson Wilson
Jaxson Wilson

Lise is always cute.

Parker Miller
Parker Miller

Reminder this scene is coming up soon in Martyrs

Michael King
Michael King

Depends on the glasses

This is like...Aunt Lise, in the far future.

Of course she'd still be a midget.

It works in a weird way. Kind of like how she's able to pull off oppai somewhat-loli. She's in some weird inbetween zone.

Jackson Wood
Jackson Wood

Takeru bullying Meiya, Mikoto and Tama with the new OS

Yeah yeah, the fucker knew their plan, but now I want to see what he is going to do when something unexpected happens.

Colton Phillips
Colton Phillips

It feels more like she'd be working at the intelligence analyst desk, rather than being out in the field with onii-chan.

Nathan White
Nathan White

He is a big guy.

Sebastian Peterson
Sebastian Peterson

How does so a big guy have such a little girl?

Adam Rodriguez
Adam Rodriguez

Is it just me or I got the stereotypical accent of one of those American "Old South aristocrats"? Must be the WEEEEELLLL

Speaking of, this was in some Muv Luv right? What was Jack Bauer doing in the game?

Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

Altered fable adds even more parody, and there is a subplot explaining why suddenly Radhabinod is the director and why they suddenly get a lot of foreign teachers and it supposedly involves espionage. Or so I've heard.

Justin Wilson
Justin Wilson

speaking of altered fable i found it weird they to put a whole text saying that it isn't a sequel of alternative
also
before the shimmering time Ends
what does it mean?

Christopher Carter
Christopher Carter

The fields of dreams user

The burnt field of dreams

;_;

Ryan Thompson
Ryan Thompson

All things considered, what would Jack Bauer be like in Muv Luv?

Imagine the terrorism troubles America has in this world.

Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

reminder that slutmika is a satellite now.

Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

Still counter-terrorism, but piloting a TSF.

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

So like Silvio?

Robert Brooks
Robert Brooks

Except with more WHERE IS THE BOMB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9DijlVkIGA

Leo Phillips
Leo Phillips

what does it mean?
It means it that it will end ,that shimmering time and it will go on forever

Sebastian Martin
Sebastian Martin

CTU having TSFs huh?

This...would be neat. A little over the top, but neat. Upgraded F-4s or F-5s?

Parker Scott
Parker Scott

F-5, if only because I get a gut feeling terrorists would prefer to close quarters combat, so you have to be prepared for that.

Christian Myers
Christian Myers

That and I guess F-5s were both in ML and irl to be the "cheaper, more numerous" end of the HiLo mix.

Though in 24, to be honest, Jack does most of the CQC. So upgraded F-5s then? Maybe, dare I say it, F-20s?

Jaxson Reyes
Jaxson Reyes

ONLY THE BEST FOR THE FIGHT FOR FREEDOM

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

Best TSF

Camden Kelly
Camden Kelly

I just realized another reason Jack is perfect for ML.

He's a hero who is constantly punished, the few things dear in his life stripped away one by one.

Carter Barnes
Carter Barnes

I feel those glasses would suit Lise best.

Though she really looks weird with them on. I can't quite place how.

Oliver Morris
Oliver Morris

He's a hero who is constantly punished, the few things dear in his life stripped away one by one.

Sole Survivor feels.

Ian Clark
Ian Clark

His ending was bittersweet. Sure he lost Iris, but at the same time, he managed to kill Beatrix, save East Germany and Katia from her fascist dreams, and destroy the organization that had been fucking with him for nearly his whole life.

Nathaniel Phillips
Nathaniel Phillips

fuck yeah, let us submit our very existence to the safety of euroshlomo!
fascist

You wanted to say cryptokike, or rather shabesgoy.

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

Mr. Cohen you are at it again, pls stop.

William Walker
William Walker

Story:
Schwarzesmarken tells a fast-paced yet vile story about our inability to work with each other. It is a fine plot for those who don't try to poke holes at it, but unfortunately for me poking around is what I like doing. If you really dig into it, this story is chuck full of inconsistencies, miracles, and improbable circumstances; unfortunately, many of these surface too late in the show to divulge in this review.

The story follows one central plotline that pivots wildly between various events; you really are just along for the ride. Many of the show's twists are predictable, some are along the lines of things you don't want to be true but know will be true... The show builds to a final, mech battle climax that is a bit of a letdown given the falling action. This is followed by a fair conclusion that ties up loose ends fairly well. I still can't get over the fact that, despite having advanced mech technology, they don't try at all to save their injured.

If you're looking for a thriller with lots of last second saves and plenty of action, this is your kind of story. If you're looking for thought-provoking political dialogue or any real depth to the almost universal mech question of "why are we fighting", you won't find it here. The disposability of the famous "Schwarzesmarken" team members really leaves a sour aftertaste for me.

Character:
This is kind of a mess. There are many issues in this section that would negatively affect the characters. First, the huge breadth of primary and supporting characters makes it difficult for the viewer to relate to everyone. Second, despite the incredibly important nature of Katia to the story's plot, she gets relatively little development- often just shoved aside by Lise. Which brings up number three, Lise is just an unnecessary distraction that ends in exactly how one would predict. Finally, fifth, Beatrix and Axmann are abhorrent cookie-cutter villains with no depth.

Jaxon White
Jaxon White

chuck full

Wyatt Collins
Wyatt Collins

Not that bad for MAL standards.

Levi Smith
Levi Smith

Why does everyone always complain about Axmann/Beatrix? I find them fine for the role they fulfill. They're a disagreeable, evil bunch of people who you want to see gutted by Theo.

Jackson Foster
Jackson Foster

Because the half-assed adaptation delivers inconsistent and to over the top villains that cheapen the story. And this isn't counting all the complaints about you get from the LN/VN readers.

Eli Flores
Eli Flores

inconsistent
I think that's my biggest problem with the stasi characters. Someone like Axmann is fine. He's a fun and interesting villain. Unlike with Axmann, with Beatrix and Lise it seems like the anime can't decide what it wants to do, so those two end up being very muddled and confusing characters.

Over the top also doesn't work well with SM considering how everything else feels kind of understated.

Brandon Rogers
Brandon Rogers

So the rumor floating around the Jap community right now seems to be:

ゲーム後編は夏頃発売予定!
The second game will be released this summer!

I wonder how correct this is. They've been right many times before (like knowing ahead of time who the voice actors were going to be), but I haven't heard age say anything yet. Then again, they do seem to be ratcheting up their marketing efforts for Martyrs and have even updated their SM VN page and released a few WiP CGs.

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

Which SM characters have their birthdays in the next pair of months apart from Lise? The release day could be one of them, since they pulled that with Beatrix last year for the first one.

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

Nobody. Most of the SM Birthdays happen in Fall or Winter.

Jace James
Jace James

Well then its Lise on the 28/06, as our release date for Martyrs. If they pull that gimmick.

Gavin Watson
Gavin Watson

Unless Jurgen's birthday is in July.

Julian Perry
Julian Perry

Dealing with the devil always bites you in the ass. As does working for the devil.

Luke Ramirez
Luke Ramirez

Both Iris and Bea would rather use Axmann against one another then just killing him and being done with it.

Isaiah Clark
Isaiah Clark

Well the whole story could be resumed as two dumb, butt hurt girls, who could have achieved their goals with a fraction of the dead, in a shorter time, put their rivalry first and are ultimately unsuccessful at what they intended to do. Only one of them enabled a third ones goals and the other one's efforts were completely wasted.

Levi Howard
Levi Howard

Top right is the best looking one.

Jordan Flores
Jordan Flores

Schwarzesmarken is the best Muv-luv spinoff. It's got the best story, characters, and girls. And it actually feels like Muv-luv as opposed to the embarrassment that was Total Eclipse.

Connor Cooper
Connor Cooper

And it actually feels like Muv-luv

Tyler Hill
Tyler Hill

So 2ch has been confirmed for browsing, linking, and cross boarding with us. How does that make you guys feel?

Julian Williams
Julian Williams

It ends up been released on Gretel's birthday
>and still no Gretel route

James Garcia
James Garcia

I need to see their opinions on us first before commenting. But hey we're all MabuRabu-fags.

Leo Brooks
Leo Brooks

This was two months ago.

Are the muv-luv threads on 2ch still going strong?

Levi Walker
Levi Walker

What do they say?

Kayden Morgan
Kayden Morgan

That'd be nice if it came out that soonand a good sign for Lise but this place is gonna get wrecked when Martyrs is released. Spoilers, rumors, snapshots, panic, and the english version for it would be at least a year away.

Gabriel Ramirez
Gabriel Ramirez

But think about the thrill

Camden Kelly
Camden Kelly

I'm going to spam the penetration scene when it comes out.

Nolan Jenkins
Nolan Jenkins

But why?

Samuel Lee
Samuel Lee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP0S3xL2S8U

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross

I welcome the chaos, I want to be free of the eternal "debate" with both the kneejerk morality fags and the blind haters, there are a few who are alright but six months of this tires one out. Even if we Beatofags are wrong, at least Lisefags will finally gain some respite in the West, since you guys actually got it worse. we lot knew what we were going to get, long before that first episode.

Have fun lad.

Josiah Price
Josiah Price

we lot knew what we were going to get, long before that first episode.
How so?

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

Well sir while I may not agree with your behavior, I can thank you for posting the higher res picture. I don't even know why I still have the other one saved, guess I like grain.

But thats the thing, Martyrs being released in japan probably won't end the "eternal debate" because both the first VN and the source material are already out, but not translated, and look where thats got us.

Robert Morgan
Robert Morgan

The opinions going round and a twelve episode anime for a 7 volume LN.

What we, or at least I didn't expect was the amped Sadism and heartlessness they added.

Cameron Morgan
Cameron Morgan

To be fair, the Japs still argue over who is right. Just look at

Beatrix being a depraved rapist torturer hedonist has been a meme in the Western community for the past 4 years. It's not going away anytime soon.

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

but her body and those nipples tho

Carson Mitchell
Carson Mitchell

But it will deliver the final take, so to speak, on how the characters are and what they believe. Thus helping add new facts to the debate, in one direction or other. And a VN is far more accessible to non jap readers than the LN.

But even the most adamant Beatrix haters in japan don't exhibit the vitriol and raw hate some in the west, and at least one guy in this threads do.

Hudson Williams
Hudson Williams

A lot of it is lost in translation. Beatrix still gets called Kusobea by some over there, after all.

Hudson Morgan
Hudson Morgan

But isn't it a good thing that who is right can be argued, thats what makes the whole thing interesting.

Logan Kelly
Logan Kelly

slut

Samuel James
Samuel James

No, the Japs do shitpost about both her and Iris:

露骨にキモウトベアト優遇してるクソアニメ。

アイリスが666中隊の指揮官として高く評価されている描写は多かったけど、あのユルゲンを殺して 反体制派に甚大な損害を与えた唾棄すべき女として忌避する奴は不思議といなかったのが 隻影を読んだ後だと妙に違和感を覚えるんだが、ユルゲンって実際はどういう立ち位置だったんだろうな?

Asher Price
Asher Price

Kusobea is far better than the calls to kill her in the cradle though, and besides our own Eugenicsfag, it seems very widespread in our part of the world.

John Cook
John Cook

I think it has to do with the influences the Calvinist and Puritans had on America and their whole predestination nonsense. Many Americans believe that you aren't made bad, but born bad.

Carson Thompson
Carson Thompson

Where

Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

you posted her. Disgusting filth

Adam Harris
Adam Harris

.Yeah that opinion is pretty widespread among them I believe. At least while the anime was airing we had a few who hated her out of the belief that she chose to be evil, but its not like she had a choice to be good either after '78.

Ian Myers
Ian Myers

What? On her boots? She should really remember to clean those off after a long march, silly girl.

Christian Bell
Christian Bell

lise is a shit character who was ruined and no longer deserves to be called human. she deserved the bullet to the head to rid the muvluv world of her presence.

Hunter Watson
Hunter Watson

強キャラ厨クソベアト大嫌いだから丁度いいわ

Chase Gutierrez
Chase Gutierrez

Axmann pls

Jason Gray
Jason Gray

Meanwhile earlier threads indicate heavy Catholic and Catholic-educated involvement in this thread, which places heavy emphasis on the idea of redemption and atonement.

Michael Lopez
Michael Lopez

And free will. Which lead to more enjoyable debates than the constant bashing of characters and posters.

Matthew Reed
Matthew Reed

This is true.

Remember the Catechism fellow Catholics: no sin is beyond forgiveness, save refusal to accept God's mercy by repenting and rejection of the forgiveness of sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit.

...it's still surprising how well the Catholic school priests drilled this.

Joshua Morgan
Joshua Morgan

At the same time, they all have a black tag and are beyond saving.

Samuel Robinson
Samuel Robinson

holy shit reddit get the fuck out

Dylan Allen
Dylan Allen

You the fellow Trad a few months back who asked about the pope in ML?

Jaxon Brown
Jaxon Brown

I'm the one Trad who thinks the Argentinian windbag is going to ruin us at this rate.

FEMALE DEACONS!! Does this man not read 1 Timothy 3? The audacity of the coot...

Cameron Evans
Cameron Evans

The nickname the Sedevacantists gave him, "Chaos Frank" , is more accurate by the day, but lets not go off topic here.

At least he is better than the Archbishop of the diocese I live in, even if only by a gnats hair.

Carson Collins
Carson Collins

They were just made for Theo's ciws.

Charles Young
Charles Young

Everybody dies, in the end. Salvation is not a question of this world.

I know I'm drawing a little heavily on Dante here, (which is like the best work of fanfiction ever) but my understanding is that even people who are sent to Hell have a chance to be saved at the last judgement, if they are genuinely remorseful for the sins they have committed. Thus, Beatrix still has a chance to be saved, she's just going to have a little bit of a rough time between now and the end of times.

Jordan Howard
Jordan Howard

As much as Theo was in the right, I'm still angry at him for doing this to such a 12/10 cutie.

Jose Russell
Jose Russell

Watching an Argentine trying to lecture the world on economics is like watching a dog trying to explain theoretical physics.

James Nguyen
James Nguyen

True charity would have demanded that she be kept alive, so that she be given a chance to repent in life, as even half a eternity in Purgatory is preferable to hell. But then again, this was at least in one interpretation a tragedy from the start.

Tyler Rodriguez
Tyler Rodriguez

Technically, Beatrix would likely either end up in Purgatory or Limbo. Admittedly, IIRC it is possible for you to get out of hell in Dante's Inferno, but that's reserved for those righteous in Limbo.

Elijah Young
Elijah Young

The Catechism is clear that all unbaptised after the death and resurrection go to hell, even if negligible punishment in hell is possible and probable for many, who are innocent of everything but original sin.

Andrew Sullivan
Andrew Sullivan

That's not really up to her, though. Based on the information Theo had available to him when he killed her, he was justified in doing so. Not to mention that you can't just "turn off" a killing instinct, especially not when you're at the point he was mentally. I can not, sitting safe at home, judge him for what he did in the heat of battle.

The righteous souls who were taken from limbo in "The Inferno" were taken when Jesus descended into Hell after being crucified. The people in Limbo when Dante passed through were righteous non-Christians, and basically their only real sin was failing to accept Christ during their own lifetimes. They aren't going anywhere until the last judgement. Beatrix might end up in Purgatory because she was acting on behalf of the one she loved, but chances are she's going to be in Hell until the final judgement.

Jose Butler
Jose Butler

In the anime he was. In the LN, there was a long enough pause for him to determine she was obviously incapable of fighting anymore before he moved in to finish her off. I mean, it's pretty obvious that she's not going to be doing much with both her arms gone.

Camden Flores
Camden Flores

That's not really up to her, though. Based on the information Theo had available to him when he killed her, he was justified in doing so. Not to mention that you can't just "turn off" a killing instinct, especially not when you're at the point he was mentally. I can not, sitting safe at home, judge him for what he did in the heat of battle.

We would be getting to the details of Intent, action and result there, and that's too much for a thread here and too much off topic. It would be equal to judging if some soldier killed another one is at fault or not. So many factors would have to be taken into account that it could be discussed for months and in the end the result would still be unknowable, as it is not for us to decide.

I think it would be better to drop the topic, no matter how interesting it is.

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

This is DANTE I'm talking about, not catholic doctrine.

Beatrix is kinda fucked either way though.

Henry Hughes
Henry Hughes

Yeah, I don't think there's anyway she's not going to be getting the same punishment that Axmann is getting. Even in death, she'll never get to be with Jurgen.

Jeremiah Martinez
Jeremiah Martinez

Her life is tragic no matter how you interpret it.

Even in the case that she was "born a monster", as some believe, that is one miserable life that one shouldn't wish to anyone. And even in the best possible interpretation, she'll never get more than those three years of happiness she got from '73 to '76.

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

Yeah, in Dante, the only souls that were taken were done so when Jesus descended into Hell after being crucified. Canto IV, verses 45-63

Nathaniel Lopez
Nathaniel Lopez

The difference is that unlike Axmann, Beatrix has the capacity to actually be genuinely remorseful for the evil she has committed, and is thus capable of salvation.

Hunter White
Hunter White

Its quite dead for this hour around here, isn't it?

Ryan Reyes
Ryan Reyes

ded thread, ded waifus, ded franchise

Justin Ross
Justin Ross

Well, maybe we will be freed from the eternal threads then.

Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

free
ever

Jack Carter
Jack Carter

Be quiet Lise, some of us lack your stamina and wish for some respite.

Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

Beatrix hater is probably going to crawl out of his hole sometime in the next hour, He'll probably have a field day pretending to know Catholic theology as well as he pretends to know Muv-Luv. I'm not sure what he'll do, given that nobody attempted to justify her behavior, and outright called it sinful and evil.

Ryder Adams
Ryder Adams

If she is evil and not deserving of redemption, then why even waifu her?

Colton Bennett
Colton Bennett

Why must I be limited to waifuing only good people?

Kevin Mitchell
Kevin Mitchell

Because no one is beyond redemption? Even Axmann could have paid back his dues, though it may be far harder to believe.

Well, there are at least three of them, two of which are reasonable enough. It'll be fun enough to read, since we are reaching CET Midnight and the Yanks haven't come round yet, so the debate, if it can be called that, will be non existent.

Leo Jenkins
Leo Jenkins

Fapping to a girl and waifuing them are two different things. Waifuing is pledging your heart and soul to them while fapping is just an expression of lust. Why would you waifu someone who you believe to be obviously evil and who would take delight in destroying your love?

Isaac Green
Isaac Green

With Axmann, redemption is probably impossible simply because he doesn't believe he's doing anything wrong.

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

Did you consider to think I'm a major cuntface as well?

Dominic Miller
Dominic Miller

The human mind is infinitely malleable. The man could in theory eventually see his folly. The chances are some several billions to one, and I'll admit that.

Xavier Roberts
Xavier Roberts

Some people make the same claim about Beatrix as well.

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

Isn't that simply in bad taste?

Jaxson Barnes
Jaxson Barnes

Ewww, that's even more disgusting than the Merkel in a reinforced suit edits.

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

You can enjoy doing things that you know are wrong, and then feel bad about them later. One of the problems with Sin is that Sin can be really, really fun, especially when you're doing it. That's why it's hard to not sin.

Luke Torres
Luke Torres

It's a cuntface

Mason Scott
Mason Scott

Her body language prior to that reads as someone who really wants to kill. She only ever seems happy in the anime when she's hurting people. Even Axmann is never shown to be quite as sadistic as her.

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

Remove those filthy glasses.

Jose Bailey
Jose Bailey

anime
That is the problem

William Turner
William Turner

Never

Colton Rodriguez
Colton Rodriguez

Ahhh, that time has come, good night/evening lads, have fun.

Carter Howard
Carter Howard

She only ever seems happy in the anime when she's hurting people

We've already established that the anime butchered her character, you using it as straight proof is like the anti-vaccine nutjobs using that one study from 20-30 years ago that was discredited ages ago to justify their bullshit.

If you can argue like a human being and are not just here to shitpost then get over that hurdle at least.

Gavin Robinson
Gavin Robinson

She seems to flash a lot of psycho faces in the visual novel as well.

Jaxon Foster
Jaxon Foster

That doesn't seem psycho to me, more like smug over something.

Jordan Smith
Jordan Smith

So? you "seem" like a faggot, yet I am still giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Get actual shit that can be cross-checked and corroborated by multiple sources.

Or as scientists and the law like to call it: Evidence.

Lincoln Butler
Lincoln Butler

I know you're still here

Psychoface is a lot like resting bitch face. Some people just have it and can't do anything about it.

Brandon Robinson
Brandon Robinson

More like sexyface.

Blake Young
Blake Young

Jurgen was right about her. She didn't belong on the front lines; she's much too pretty for that.

Aaron Perry
Aaron Perry

The Italian fortified suit ain't bad. Neither is Monica.

...she's going to die, isn't she?

;_;

Aaron Sanders
Aaron Sanders

First, the huge breadth of primary and supporting characters makes it difficult for the viewer to relate to everyone.

But it was so easy to find someone to relate to...

You shuddup, Total Eclipse was great.

SM was great.

TE was great.

Trilogy was great.

TSFIA is probably great.

Eurofront is probably great.

Strike Fighters may be great.

They're all great.

A cosmic kind of feel. What do they say about us?

Jeremiah Jones
Jeremiah Jones

If I may defend my nation for a bit, if Calvinism influenced us in that way (believing one is born bad, which I don't believe is really Calvinistic doctrine anyways), I've never seen it. Americans as a general rule of thumb absolutely, more than many people in the world, do not believe you are born evil. Americans believe that yes, you are partly the result of your background and your enviorment (hence, mitigating factors in court deliberations), the majority is the sum of your thoughts, your words, your actions, and yours alone. You know, the self-made man. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Good, honest work does in the end pay off. There is very much here, a disbelief in the purely fated and predesignated life - and if you are, that there is a reason for it beyond our understanding for it. It's another way of saying one has their karmic duties they need to fulfill, hence why America is kind of compatible too with more Eastern faith systems.

Similar case to our Puritan influences. Puritans were in many ways very much more libertarian in their socio-political beliefs than people think, even more than prevailed in their time. Their search for purity was primarily a struggle with the church, and with the faith. They very much believed in the idea of redemption, and that NO one was beyond saving, and that everyone deserved a second chance.

No, when it comes to our moralfags, the primary motivation you should look for is the ego. That, and autistic blindness, inability to beyond even feel another's feelings, the inability to even begin to understand another. Pity them.

Robert Long
Robert Long

No that was me.

Papal Eurofighters with a yellow/white fortified suit when?

Angel Ortiz
Angel Ortiz

His ending was bittersweet.
it's not his ending I can assure you. Only the beginning of a very sad and dark future with nothing but despair and death in the end. Theo is so fucked man as well is Katia

Carson Anderson
Carson Anderson

Everyone deserves redemption user, just like everyone deserves love.

Nathaniel Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor

Never since the Vatican has no fighter jets to begin with?

Benjamin Kelly
Benjamin Kelly

Similar case to our Puritan influences. Puritans were in many ways very much more libertarian in their socio-political beliefs than people think, even more than prevailed in their time.

They left Europe because Europe was too tolerant for them. Then, they came to America and started up witch hunts, which weren't even in style back in the Old World anymore.

Look up Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God to see what Puritans thought about shit.

Mason Russell
Mason Russell

Not wanting Swiss Guards killing BETA with TSF sized halberds while painted up in their traditional livery

Nigga you gaaaaay

Isaiah Bailey
Isaiah Bailey

It is Calvinist doctrine, it's called the Predestination of the Elect, and it is the sticking point that separates Calvinism and Lutheranism.

Justin Sanders
Justin Sanders

It's Muv Luv, you, EVERYONE has a psycho face.

When they don't have one, it's more worrying.

Hunter Martinez
Hunter Martinez

everyone
wrong

Ethan Flores
Ethan Flores

No TE was fucking shit.

Aiden Perez
Aiden Perez

I want to friendzone Yui

Samuel Morris
Samuel Morris

i want to stalk her and murder anyone who wanted to be friends with her.

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

Good luck with that since she has zero friends

Jacob Gray
Jacob Gray

I'm going to marry Yui and make her a happy wife.

Zachary Johnson
Zachary Johnson

People want to be friends with her?

Cameron Murphy
Cameron Murphy

I didn't really get what that scene was about at first.

Christopher Gomez
Christopher Gomez

And they say Katia didn't suffer as much as the other girls.

Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

No they don't

Charles Rogers
Charles Rogers

You have to look at it a bit closer with Katia, but she does give hints, even in the anime which praises her, that not all is well.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis

What about Cui?

It's really cute how pure her love actually is.

Aaron Sanchez
Aaron Sanchez

You can keep her. I want Yui all to myself.

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

Nice point she didn't say no in that scene.

Easton James
Easton James

She didn't say no because she had already decided to tell everyone else about Lise.

Jaxon Kelly
Jaxon Kelly

make Iris and Beatrix less sexual
sexualize Katia and Lise

For what purpose?

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

So just murder Yui then.

Matthew Sanchez
Matthew Sanchez

It's telling how the staff didn't like Yui since when she died no one cared.

Joshua White
Joshua White

Fair enough.

Nathaniel Sullivan
Nathaniel Sullivan

i want her to suffer and feel alone

Owen Gonzalez
Owen Gonzalez

Was the anime's director a Katia-fag or something?

John Gomez
John Gomez

Why is it impossible to remove ERA in the muv-luv world? Do they not know you can simply bolt them on and of?

Logan Murphy
Logan Murphy

Best day of my life
He was a Gretel-fag and there is nothing wrong with that

Leo Anderson
Leo Anderson

You never know when the capitalists will stab you in the back

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

Just like Katia did

Caleb King
Caleb King

But what would tanks that are placed on the oder-nessie line need ERA for? The capitalists are more then 200 kilometers away from you and Berlin is a safe place. You are pretty much 1.2 tons of heavier for no practical purpose.

And Katia dont want to fight the west.

Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

nearly every piece of promo art and bonus material has her in it, despite her being below even secondary characters in popularity

Most likely.

Aiden Evans
Aiden Evans

You never know when you have to pull Oder-Neisse units to combat the western threat

Jose Brown
Jose Brown

Katia is definitely more Wessie than Ossie.

Tyler Evans
Tyler Evans

Beatrix is locked into her final fight with Theo. She crashes into the buildings below her, and her cockpit goes dead. She pulls aimlessly at the controls, when suddenly, Theo's knife cuts into her, the searing pain ripping through her body. She awakens, sitting upright, in the large bed she has stuffed into her small duplex apartment. Her husband, Jurgen, is still lying asleep next to her, his arm draped over her lap. At the foot of her bed, the baby is still asleep in its crib. She looks around, bewildered, eyes slowly adjusting to the darkness. She takes a deep breath, slowly letting the air out, and starts crying. Jurgen wakes up, sits up, and wraps her in a warm embrace.

"What is it? What's wrong?"

"I died again."

"It was just a dream."

"I... I know."

Beatrix sinks back onto the mattress and lies there quietly for a while. Lurgen, who is now both awake and sitting over her, gazes into her eyes and brushes her hair away from her cheek. He leans over, and plants a light kiss on her forehead.

"Still, just think, without that, we wouldn't have all this."

Beatrix smiles weakly. She lies there for a while, just taking everything in. Somewhere a few blocks away, there is a delivery truck pulling into one of the local shops, its backup siren echoing through the stillness of the night, and waking up the songbirds roosting around the duplex. Neither noise particularly bothers her. Even the truck's siren gives everything a sense of peaceful normality. Jurgen lies down on the bed beside her. He's sniffing her hair again. Beatrix doesn't mind this sort of thing, but she's pretty sure it's not normal, at least, not the way he does it. She lets out something halfway between a sigh and a chuckle. Normal or not, this is certainly better than the alternative.

James Clark
James Clark

Lurgen
Proofread nigga.

Josiah Bennett
Josiah Bennett

Would it not be better to send them to the local maintance depot before sending them west? They would most likely lack certain parts and ammo.

And the whole oder-neisse line would fall if you pull units from it since it is always underpowerd in 1983. You will most likely cause doom to whole europe if you start fighting west europe.

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

That great! I love this! Yui was a terrible person and a horrible human being. I love that they did that. Proof no one likes Yui.

Kevin Hall
Kevin Hall

I think that most of the Beatrix haters (and Lise by extension) practice the just world fallacy, which is something that is very American in nature.

Kevin Torres
Kevin Torres

"Still, just think, without that, we wouldn't have all this."

Not very reassuring, really. I thought Beatrix and Jurgen were pretty good at picking the other up when down.

Josiah Hill
Josiah Hill

Would it not be better to send them to the local
too much time wasted that could have been used killing capitalist dogs

And the whole oder-neisse line would fall
Small price to pay to destroy western scum

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

Those anti-satanic quints.

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

Your aggresion against western dogs are a good thing but we will schedule the local commisar to have a talk with you.

QUNITS

Samuel Martinez
Samuel Martinez

Nice quints, commie scum

Jace Moore
Jace Moore

but we will schedule the local commisar to have a talk with you.
Finally the Held der DDR medal I've been waiting for is mine

Ryder Butler
Ryder Butler

Cutest

Noah Ramirez
Noah Ramirez

Remove Wessie and burger scum

Wyatt Adams
Wyatt Adams

I am the west

Landon Butler
Landon Butler

That was pretty cute.

Asher Ramirez
Asher Ramirez

So what will Age work on next after the second part of SM gets out?

Owen Jones
Owen Jones

Bernhard im Schatten VN or TDA

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

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New thread. Feels like it won't be long until these threads die out. It seems like this one had trouble hitting the bump limit.
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Owen Morgan
Owen Morgan

New thread. Feels like it won't be long until these threads die out. It seems like this one had trouble hitting the bump limit.
sup newfriend

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