Why is Sakura so underrated?

Aiden Hill
Aiden Hill

Why is Sakura so underrated?

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Jason Parker
Jason Parker

Because dick worms.

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

being a wormfag

Carter Cox
Carter Cox

raped by worms
sempai spam
shoe horned into an Illya arc
both competing routes have better heroines
most people have decided who they like and don't by HF
trained to literally crave cock
inb4 not cock just mage semen
Actually read the game when you play it.

The question is more like who would like her.

Aiden Adams
Aiden Adams

literally made for dicking and nothing else

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

Two reasons.
- VN is awfully long and not everyone makes it to her route
- her route hasn't been animated yet

Levi Perry
Levi Perry

?

Liam Ross
Liam Ross

Because hating her is a meme.

Isaac Perry
Isaac Perry

hasn't been animated
Neither had a lot of things. Plenty of obscure things get more love and attention. If you're implying that the metric for the reception to Sakura as a character should be based of secondaries you're retarded.

TM has enough clout and backing that they can make gag shows like Carnvial Phantasm without alienating their fanbase.

this meme again
studio still draws cockworms in the art book
I wonder what's being adapted?

Blake James
Blake James

I'm sure making a porno is good for business.

Charles Jenkins
Charles Jenkins

I wouldn't fuck Sakura but I sure as fuck would like to see her get fucked.

Chase Scott
Chase Scott

Not enough screen time. Also most people on Sup Forums aren't doms.

Evan Wilson
Evan Wilson

Are you that faggot who keeps calling the VN a porn prototype in every thread?

Julian Gutierrez
Julian Gutierrez

What the fuck is this? I was sure the worms looked like dicks.

Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

The dick-worms were retconned in Realta Nua.

Elijah Watson
Elijah Watson

Realta Nua is just an all ages version of the VN
It is, in no way fucking canon
It is just what the eroge companies do when they port their shit to consoles (like Grisaia)
You want proof? Just look at one of the pages of the F/Z manga
They show Sakura with dick worms there
I'll post the manga page if I can find it

Adam Price
Adam Price

Because faggots. Sakura is the only heroine that's actually a woman and not a twelve year old boy. Some people take offense to this, but can't bring themselves to admit why.

Lincoln Torres
Lincoln Torres

shoe horned into an Illya arc
Was Heaven's Feel about Illya? Nope. Illya was shoe horned into Sakura's arc because there wasn't enough time to make the Illya arc.

both competing routes have better heroines
Except Sakura was never meant to be the heroine.

trained to literally crave cock
That was because she has too or she would die thanks to the worm inside her. She tried to hold for as long as she can but Shinji kept raping her and the fact that she was getting close to the man she loved drove her to the limit.

The question is more like who would like her.
I like her.

Jacob Scott
Jacob Scott

RN is more canon than the sex version.

Ian Smith
Ian Smith

wormslut memes.

Jace Ramirez
Jace Ramirez

She tried to hold for as long as she can but Shinji kept raping her
kept
hold off
Nice head canon. She only refused once and she was trained to crave past needing to survive matey. Sorry dog.

William King
William King

That's exactly what I said. She tried to hold off but Shinji kept raping her and abusing her.

William Reed
William Reed

Except it's not a meme, it's completely true. It's in the fucking VN.
Pleasing old men for money is a meme, because it's from a doujin.
Saber being BLACKED is a meme, it's also from a doujin.
Wormslut is 100% canon. Not a meme.

Adam Walker
Adam Walker

Nope, her being forced into the worms and mindbroken is from the VN.

Her being a slut for the worms is a meme.

Ryder Watson
Ryder Watson

the VN isn't canon, but a manga is!
user...

Angel Williams
Angel Williams

wormfags are so deluded they claim Sakura is virgin
Never change user

Justin Phillips
Justin Phillips

Rin sleeping around in London is from the VN. Saber being cucked was canon since literally a thousand years before F/SN was made. Sakura having her worms removed and proving herself to be the very antithesis of a slut through not getting together with anyone other than Shirou is canon as well. "Wormslut" was always nothing but a forced meme.

Nathaniel Hill
Nathaniel Hill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P7muwuQeZk

Dominic Wright
Dominic Wright

Because muh pure waifu have been defiled

Ayden Fisher
Ayden Fisher

I'm pretty sure it's only Sup Forums that hates her.

Lincoln Evans
Lincoln Evans

Be forced to have worns inserted into your vagina since young age
This is somehow your fault and makes you a slut
If you ever get raped in a dark alley at night I will be the first one to call you a slut

Zachary Diaz
Zachary Diaz

If anything, she's overrated. Worst girl by far

Evan Clark
Evan Clark

Come on man HF is sakura's route not illya's

Evan Thompson
Evan Thompson

making it a purity thing
when she literally craves dick all the time
It's not to 'survive' either, that is a that and this is this. I don't have the cap saved but there's a point where she elaborates on the craving and it isn't just for magic cum, m8, she wants it all.

Purity is one thing but actively preferring burned out raped husks of people is a bit weird on your part would you not say?

Nathan Scott
Nathan Scott

wanting used goods
Why?

Owen Williams
Owen Williams

That must mean we've been too harsh on SAO and SnK as well, they're plenty popular.

Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

Overrated? You have to be kidding me! There is only a small group in Sup Forums who likes her.

Jordan Jenkins
Jordan Jenkins

It's not to 'survive' either
implying

Jason Powell
Jason Powell

It stops being canon when you patch it with Realta Nua.

Jaxson Martin
Jaxson Martin

she needs dick to survive
What a slut

Kayden Sanders
Kayden Sanders

She's literally been proven to lie. To Shiro, to others and even to herself. In fact the fact that she's pushing that angle there but contradicts herself later gives it even more credence.

John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

Because I'm a used good too

Julian Long
Julian Long

Ahh yes comparing a character in a show to some random anime well done. That's like me comparing my cat with a fucking movie theater

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

Not really. You suggested that the best metric was outside Sup Forums, I just took that to logical extreme to poke fun at how stupid it is.

Ryan Carter
Ryan Carter

The posters hating on her can hardly be said to belong to Sup Forums, though, since they have a clear tendency to type like they're from /v/ or /r9k/ and use 3DPD reaction pics.

Carter Gomez
Carter Gomez

No need to self-insert user.

Robert Clark
Robert Clark

I never once in my life said the best metric was out of Sup Forums everyone has there own opinions my bad if it seemed like that's what I meant.

Lucas Fisher
Lucas Fisher

contradicts herself later
Where? Don't tell me you mean the interlude where it's mentioned she wanted to have more sex with Shirou. He happens to be her boyfriend, so that's natural.

Isaac Hill
Isaac Hill

All women do, she's just honest about it.

Gavin Flores
Gavin Flores

secondaries and crossboarders don't like wormslut
Which ones are you talking about? Most would only be on Sup Forums for awhile before getting over the series and leaving. So the ones from UBW? If so how do you explain that it's been around far longer? Was it always secondaries and cross boarders who just inexplicably turned up for these threads only to hate Sakura?

Impassible. Are they the most salient source now? Possible.

John Moore
John Moore

I can't wait to hear Shitaya performing this scene.

Adrian Green
Adrian Green

The ones who just read summaries of HF and got a completely wrong impression of the events in it, but insist on shitposting about it and Sakura.

James Carter
James Carter

Funny how lisefags actually reject Sakura. You really should search a better comparison

Elijah Richardson
Elijah Richardson

reading FSN is now reading summaries of HF if you don't like Sakura

Elijah Wright
Elijah Wright

I wasn't comparing though

Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

Considering how awful her haters' grasp of the route in general tends to be, that pretty clearly is the case.

Gavin Lopez
Gavin Lopez

this

Nathan Gomez
Nathan Gomez

There is literally no reason to hate Sakura unless you've read HF.

That's the story that makes you dislike her.

Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

Sakura is perfect wife material that you would be proud to take home to meet your parents.

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

Carry on then, my mistake

Parker Parker
Parker Parker

You love to claim this as fact, when time after time you (yes, you specifically, I know you're the same faggot) have been completely torn to shreds again and again for YOUR delusions regarding HF.

Kill yourself.

This.

Wormslut puffs up with worms

Dominic Russell
Dominic Russell

You're right, and yet you commonly see people claiming to dislike her without even having read it. Makes it pretty clear they're trying too hard to fit in.

Ian Peterson
Ian Peterson

How can people hate sakura she gave us sakura fish

Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks

Opposites attract. Sakura is meek and submissive like most weebs, so they want someone knightly like Seiba.

Nathan Cook
Nathan Cook

Have you accepted the OTP, Sup Forums?

Juan King
Juan King

Saber x some random cock?

Hunter Mitchell
Hunter Mitchell

Sounds like you're a bit upset about others dismantling your nonsense.

Lucas Phillips
Lucas Phillips

Arturia x Merlin, senpai.

Andrew Robinson
Andrew Robinson

Wormslut puffs up with worms
Nice meme.

Jonathan Perry
Jonathan Perry

not recognizing fou
not knowing fou is a familiar/extension of Merlin
not knowing she tells this to Merlin in GoA

Joseph Bailey
Joseph Bailey

This is patently wrong given how popular other quiet girls are. Are you truly that desperate to rationalize this?

Jason Price
Jason Price

Yeah, what a fucking idiot, In reality, they'd want someone more like Rin, not Saber.

Liam Jenkins
Liam Jenkins

You should check your reading comprehension.

Liam Kelly
Liam Kelly

These actually look more terrifying than dickworms. The dickworms just look silly

Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

I like her. I think one reason for her being less popular than the other girls is that she spends a good part of her route lying in bed or being a villain.

Samuel Thompson
Samuel Thompson

You want proof? Just look at one of the pages of the F/Z manga

Brody Lewis
Brody Lewis

Reminder

Owen Cooper
Owen Cooper

E/b/in!

Chase Reyes
Chase Reyes

Go shove tapeworms up your ass, so you can be more like your waifu.

Michael Turner
Michael Turner

being this mad
Hit the bullseye, didn't I?

Andrew Morales
Andrew Morales

Sakura threads are only good for Sakura lewds.

Post lewd Sakuras.

Just kidding, BB is the best lewds. Sakura a shit.

Oliver Baker
Oliver Baker

You wish. I've just learned the hard way that it's not even worth my time to bother attempting a rational discourse with you.

Jace Green
Jace Green

You don't sound like you were ever rational.

Jaxson Myers
Jaxson Myers

Goddamn. She's a goddess.

Kevin Wright
Kevin Wright

Says the wormslut lover. Now that's irony!

Nathan Richardson
Nathan Richardson

Ruined Ilya's route
Cockblocked Rider
Fucked up Shirou's life permanently
SHIT

Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia

Wow Sup Forums really hates Sakura huh.

Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

We hate you too.

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

I'm not Sakura though.

Joshua Morris
Joshua Morris

Because she won't stop munching on that damn fish.

David Martin
David Martin

Case in point.

Dylan Harris
Dylan Harris

No, Sakurafags are really easy targets and so they get targeted.

Jaxson Nelson
Jaxson Nelson

Sakura's big problem is that she's more a plot device than an actual character in F/SN. She exists to put HF Shirou in the very specific circumstances needed to decide to throw away his ideals, and beyond that just doesn't have much to her because most of the important stuff between her and Shirou happened before the game even started.

With Saber and Rin, they only really meet Shirou once the game gets started so Nasu had to spend time developing their relationships with him. With Sakura, she's just The Childhood Friend. A huge part of her character is how she's been a fixture in Shirou's life ever since they first met, and that's something that canmt be conveyed to the reader at all beyond having, I don't know, an entire game prior where she appears at the beginning of every single day to chat with Shirou. And nobody should have to tell you how silly that would be.

A lot of Sakura's character only really becomes apparent in F/HA. In F/SN proper she mostly just exists to be pitied. Carnival Phantasm even joked about it.

Logan Powell
Logan Powell

Sometimes I wonder if everyone in these threads only argue like this because it reminds them of better days, and because they have become closer emotionally through their arguments than most people ever become even with their spouses.

Then I remember it's a Fate thread, and look upon the shitposts with glee.

Cooper Adams
Cooper Adams

Ruined Ilya's route
It was never Illya's route.
Cockblocked Rider
Rider was never romantically interested in Shirou (until HA)
Fucked up Shirou's life permanently
Because being like Kiritsugu was such a great life! /s
Also Shirou made that choice because he loved Sakura.

Jason Flores
Jason Flores

What's wrong with fish?

Colton Jackson
Colton Jackson

It was never Illya's route.
Go fuck yourself

Nathaniel Lewis
Nathaniel Lewis

Not really, it's just a stale meme.

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

This is a genuine problem with her character.

Theoretically, Shirou should be invested most with Sakura, because he's known her so long, but the reader doesn't feel that way, because by the time they've gotten to HF, they've spent a hell of a lot more time with the other heroines.

If they somehow made Sakura just as involved as Rin and Saber, I think a lot of her hate would evaporate, as readers would actually want to save her come time for the route.

Joshua Taylor
Joshua Taylor

Actually there is no rason to hate her if someone hasn't read HF.

Personally I don't hate her but I find her really boring.

Blake Jones
Blake Jones

Incidentally, Sakura and Shirou's dynamic in F/HA is the best. Those two dorks keep getting embarassed and falling back on the safe topic of cooking. You also get stuff like Sakura seizing control of the Matou house and locking every single door with different locks so Shinji has to carry around a massive jey ring.

Girl is vengeful.

Gavin Myers
Gavin Myers

Sakurafag here, I honestly agree. Sakura was never developed well. While Rin and Saber were being developed through the 3 routes, Sakura only had 1 and even then the Illya material got shoe horned in from her original route.

As a Sakurafag I cringe when other people say that "Sakura is the best character" and "Sakura is best girl" because in reality, she is not. It just comes down if you liker her and want to protect her smile.

Isaiah Long
Isaiah Long

Pretty sure sakurafish is half the reason she has any popularity on Sup Forums.

Dylan Hall
Dylan Hall

Fanfic bullshit
Her route is not canon.

Easton Roberts
Easton Roberts

Her screentime in Fate and UBW is more than enough to get one endeared with and interested in her by the time HF starts.

Jacob Wood
Jacob Wood

She's basically Oogy Boogy. I don't know why people don't like that.

Chase Thomas
Chase Thomas

Sakurafag here
not defending your waifu to do the death
Rinfag here. You make me sick.

William Hughes
William Hughes

I sure was endeared with how she got kicked out of the plot like Mitsuzuri, Taiga, and all of the other normal people.

Jayden Miller
Jayden Miller

People seem to like CCC Sakura more, so probably.

Easton Taylor
Easton Taylor

That's precisely why it's interesting to see her get focused on in HF.

Nathaniel Carter
Nathaniel Carter

I entirely disagree.

The first two routes manage to balance including Saber and Rin in the events of the story. Hell, the game opens up with you playing as Rin for a while, so you even have that going.

Throughout Fate and UBW, you see their triumphs, their mistakes, their different personality quirks, and by the end, you want to see them succeed, and hell, that even continues through HF.

Saber, Rin, and especially Shirou, I would say are very well rounded characters in terms of being fleshed out.

Sakura appears in Fate and UBW, but she doesn't really get involved with the story. Now you can explain that away due to circumstances obviously, but that doesn't get the reader endeared to her in any significant way. Not in the sense of being right in the thick of things during the grail war.

Then when you get to HF, they have to pile everything about Sakura onto you, and it doesn't necessarily work.

Kayden Cox
Kayden Cox

Not accepting the legit errors and problems of your waifu and still loving here either way
YOU make me sick.

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

accepting them means you have to damage control to a bunch of no-names on the internet
You make me FUCKING SICK.

Eli Lee
Eli Lee

implying you aren't as much of a no-name than me
LITERALLY SICK

Cameron Rivera
Cameron Rivera

adding fuel to a fire which will never calm down
YOU fucking sicken ME.

Brayden Torres
Brayden Torres

All THREE OF YOU make me sick. I'm fucking BARFING right now.

Lincoln Smith
Lincoln Smith

Screentime=/=Personality. Saber and Rin are far from deep or original characters.

Aaron Kelly
Aaron Kelly

he says while still employing damage control to that no name
NINE LIVES SICK WORKS

Joseph Perry
Joseph Perry

What are you even trying to say here? Are you implying that over the course of hundreds of thousands of words, you didn't get a grasp on either of their personalities?

I would honestly be more impressed than anything if you said that.

Carter Sanders
Carter Sanders

Tell me King of SICKS, do you have enough SICKS IN STOCK?

John Scott
John Scott

The opposite. Their personalities were far too easy to get a grasp on. That's not a good thing.

Luke Perry
Luke Perry

Why? Easy to understand on a surface level doesn't inherently mean lack of complexity.

I love Shirou, he's probably my favorite Sup Forums protagonist, and while he's certainly not the easiest to digest at just a glance, that doesn't mean characters who you can get a firmer grasp on more easily are less in quality.

You see plenty of facets of Saber and Rin's personalities. Their hopes, their fears, their aspirations, and even through HF, some of their darker aspects.

Sakura doesn't get as naturally fleshed out. Most of it is just crammed into one route.

Ryan Lopez
Ryan Lopez

Most of it is just crammed into one route.
It is her route, after all.

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

Yes, but Rin, Saber, and Shirou all get fleshed out through the entire story.

Aspects of them naturally unravel as you progress. You only see snippets of Sakura in Fate and UBW. Come HF, they need to establish her kinder, gentler side, then her issues, then her darker aspects.

It can kind of lead to whiplash.

Josiah Perry
Josiah Perry

Still proud of that one

Caleb Martin
Caleb Martin

capping your own post

Jonathan Brown
Jonathan Brown

not capping your posts to look at later
w e w
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Samuel Allen
Samuel Allen

Post more lewd Sakuras like that user demanded, fags

Elijah Miller
Elijah Miller

Sure why not.

Parker Wilson
Parker Wilson

still not scanned

Jonathan Nelson
Jonathan Nelson

How lewd are we talking here?

Julian Lee
Julian Lee

She has the most fuckable body if nothing else.

Adam Campbell
Adam Campbell

As lewd as Sakura.

That is to say, too lewd.

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

So along these lines?

Gavin Harris
Gavin Harris

Good.

Ethan Mitchell
Ethan Mitchell

Perfect.

Jordan Parker
Jordan Parker

Have one more.

David Lewis
David Lewis

Literally born to make babies. Just like her mother.

Connor Lee
Connor Lee

The fuck is this scene? Is that some kind of Zero Berserker Sakura?

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

The fact that a thread titled "Why is Sakura so underrated" ended in people spamming Sakura lewds is really telling.

Hunter Garcia
Hunter Garcia

Prisma Ilya has Servants as things you install on people. An alt-universe Sakura has Zero Berserker installed.

Adrian Rivera
Adrian Rivera

You can't argue with a body like this, user.

But a Rin is fine too.

Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

Both is good.

Matthew Ortiz
Matthew Ortiz

Currently have three versions.

Jack Phillips
Jack Phillips

Cute!

Kariya had at least one kind of these swimming around in his balls

Christian King
Christian King

That one is translated, retard.

Mason Brown
Mason Brown

Yeah but I saw it in my folder and got nostalgic.

Asher Robinson
Asher Robinson

The one thing that bugged me about HF was how forced Shirou's motives and character were. Unlike Fate and UBW where there's still romance and development with the heroine, you're pretty much expected to unconditionally love Sakura from the onset. Hell, for the majority of HF she's more of an objective than a heroine. The only development is how far Shirou is willing to go full retard to save her, and we all know the answer to that.

Joshua Morgan
Joshua Morgan

[X] I want to save Illya

But the future refused to change.

Evan Ortiz
Evan Ortiz

I actually do agree with this, Nasu did not do a good job of making the audience fall in love with Sakura before the meat of the route began and Shirou started to struggle with his ideals.

I wonder if instead, if Sakura was someone he barely knew, yet still refused to allow to die even for the sake of others, if that wouldn't have been more compelling as far as the conflict of his ideals goes. The fact that Shirou is madly in love with her is fine, but the audience doesn't get much chance to identify with that - on the other hand, if Shirou only knew her as that one kouhai in the archery club and sister of Shinji, but chose that he wanted to save her regardless of the risk she posed to innocent lives because that's more true to his ideal of wanting everyone to be able to smile, that would have been a much more powerful argument (and it would show how nuts Shirou is to sacrifice so much for someone he barely knows).

Then he can fall in love with her over the course of the route or whatever. But I think the biggest flaw of HF is that Shirou starts the route knowing Sakura better than the audience ever could, and there's so much personality of hers that we do not get to see before the bad times begin, that Shirou knows and loves her for.

Connor Turner
Connor Turner

This is because Shirou's known Sakura for about two years at that point. They'd become pretty close.

The problem is, the reader doesn't see that. The story doesn't do much other than say they've known each other, but it's a driving reason why Shirou wants to protect her, so it comes off weird.

Henry Williams
Henry Williams

Because she's just kohaku but without anything that makes kohaku a good and liked character

Hunter Wood
Hunter Wood

Kohaku is just as bad with her retarded muh revenge shit. At least Sakura couldn't help killing people.

Josiah Moore
Josiah Moore

Her Kaleid version is so fucking cute.
Sad that the whole Fate series want to kill her.

Nathan James
Nathan James

At least Sakura couldn't help killing people.
That's like the cornerstone of what makes sakura such a shit

kohaku actively does stuff and realizies it's fucked up but that's how messed up she is

sakura just passively does stuff and tries to play the "woe is me I have to do all these bad things" card

combine this with kohaku being a character that actually does things in the previous routes and it's a lot less likely to piss the reader off

Christopher Lee
Christopher Lee

combine this with kohaku being a character that actually does things in the previous routes
That's a symptom of having every route share at least two hours worth of scenes I think

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

funny thing is i just remembered about this meme few hours ago while daydreaming

Connor Gomez
Connor Gomez

spot thread
immediately open it
'if the first post isn't about worms i'm leaving /a/'

never change

Caleb Ross
Caleb Ross

Still dickworms. Watch Se7en.

Grayson Walker
Grayson Walker

Jesus, that art is poor. I mean at least give her a mouth to eat her favorite food, semen.

Caleb Parker
Caleb Parker

At least she didn't have a reason as retarded as
yeah I got raped by two guys when I was young so I'll kill their whole fucking family!

Come the fuck on.

Julian Butler
Julian Butler

That's a pretty valid reason though

Charles Morris
Charles Morris

There was no reason for her to kill Akiha.

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

She hasn't had an anime adaption yet. Rin, Saber and even Illya have, and given that Sup Forums is for anime only, that means most of us just know her as that squeaky kohai who got wormed in Zero.

Thomas Lewis
Thomas Lewis

Never said she was right, just that is a good reason to seek revenge

John Nguyen
John Nguyen

Nah, even past that kohaku is still relevant to the plot, if only for the more light hearted scenes

Akiha is the same sort of potential monster that makasima and SHIKI turned into, combine that with being a crazy person and the fact that akiha got to play outside and she didn't (this was the key thing that prevented her from completely shutting her emotions off so she had to suffer all that time) and you have reason enough to kill

especially since she admits it's all sort of bullshit

Easton Brooks
Easton Brooks

Worms

Sebastian Williams
Sebastian Williams

That sounds awful. The entire point of him giving up his ideals is that he finally learns to truly appreciate the ones who are close to him. Him doing it for some nobody he barely even knows and vice versa goes against the entire theme of HF. We get to see Sakura's personality and obvious affection for Shirou (as well as his budding attraction to her) in Fate and UBW anyways, so I don't really see any issue with how it was written. If anything, Shirou and Sakura's relationship is far better handled than the contrived 2-week romances of the other routes.

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

itadakimasu

Kayden Nguyen
Kayden Nguyen

It literally could not be worse than the route we have, where Shirou loves someone we don't give a shit about, and that is used as the foundation for his entire idealistic struggle at the turning point of the route, effectively alienating the audience from Shirou's mindset and making it much more difficult to understand the choice he makes.

The romance in HF is weak compared to the other routes for two reasons: 1) all the positive characterization the audience should have gotten for Sakura over the course of the route is not present: in fact, what the audience gets is a bird's eye view of her worst insecurities and emotions being brought to the forefront via Dark Sakura, and 2) rather than more seamlessly melding the romantic content with Sakura into the entirety of the route like it is in Fate and UBW, Nasu basically shoves it all into the first three days, and the drama begins almost immediately after that.

Gabriel Reyes
Gabriel Reyes

all the positive characterization the audience should have gotten for Sakura over the course of the route is not present

I think that it's because unlike Rin, Sakura is a childhood friend. I'm not defending it because I also think he failed to communicate it properly, but I think we were supposed to understand that he was ready to give it all up in a very similar way as to what how was very proactive with protecting Taiga.

Because our two other main girls were new characters he learns to love over a period of time it was not communicated properly that he already loved Sakura the way he did Taiga. I mean, there isn't much characterization given for Taiga and people don't complain about how Shirou is protective of her.

Andrew Young
Andrew Young

PERFECTION

Noah Gutierrez
Noah Gutierrez

someone we don't give a shit about
Speak for yourself. His choice wasn't hard to understand at all, as the alternative would have been to kill his girlfriend who hadn't done anything wrong.

all the positive characterization the audience should have gotten for Sakura over the course of the route is not present
Wrong. There are several scenes devoted to showing her positive characterization, such as ones where she talks with Shirou about their past together, or where she tries to cook together with Rin, not to mention several scenes about her in Fate and UBW (pic related, for example). Her insecurities being shown is precisely what makes her a good character, as it shows that she has actual depth and realism to her and isn't some generic stock character meant to please everyone.

Nasu basically shoves it all into the first three days
Shirou's attraction to Sakura and vice versa was clear since the very first morning in Fate, even if the other heroines catch his attention instead once the war gets going in their routes. The romance scenes in HF started earlier than the other two routes for sure, but they're hardly lacking in the latter part of the route either, as seen with the scenes where Shirou visits Sakura while she's in bed, for example, or even the scene where he uses Rule Breaker on her. She may not have an out-of-place date scene in the middle of a war or anything, but her romance with Shirou is very well developed.

Basically, it's not that the story is flawed, but rather that it's not written to appeal to the same kind of audience as the other two routes, much like the difference between the Near and Far Side routes in Tsukihime.

Nicholas Ward
Nicholas Ward

Not enough media material. Most people now don't want to read VNs / LNs, they need animu.

Lincoln Miller
Lincoln Miller

I have felling that the biggest reason people hate her is that she got route instead of Illya

Levi Jenkins
Levi Jenkins

Don't forget me lads

Ian Martinez
Ian Martinez

Then why is the route about Sakura and not about Taiga? hell, we know more about Taiga in the first 2 routes that about Sakura

Jack Watson
Jack Watson

Because Nasu went full retard and though people will like Sakura

Jackson Wilson
Jackson Wilson

Shirou and Sakura have been very close for a long time, them being in love doesn't need to be spelled out for you, it's by far the most natural romance in the VN.

Ryder Perry
Ryder Perry

Because Sakura is best girl.

Isaiah Foster
Isaiah Foster

only stupid people hate Sakura

Ryan Collins
Ryan Collins

Why do you like her then?

Sebastian Fisher
Sebastian Fisher

Because only stupid people like her

Noah Butler
Noah Butler

Sakura is pure love.

Sebastian Stewart
Sebastian Stewart

With emphasis on pure.

Elijah Sanchez
Elijah Sanchez

A pure slut.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones

Because she's a SASUKE-KUN/KUROSAKI-KUN/notice me senpai! type.
That's probably the most annoying character archetype in anime history, and doesn't even have a name.

Asher Jenkins
Asher Jenkins

Lust is just a form of love

Oliver Sanchez
Oliver Sanchez

boob docking
hand holding
MY FUCKING DICK

Evan Stewart
Evan Stewart

implying most people even matter
implying people didn't think she was a wormslut since the VN
Whatever lets you sleep

Jose King
Jose King

I prefer Saber.

Jack Lee
Jack Lee

Sakura is Kohaku but not wacky comic relief

Leo Murphy
Leo Murphy

fucking a girl who has dickworms that are also an old man inside her
old man worms nibbling on your dick and shit

Jacob Myers
Jacob Myers

I prefer The Rin.

Camden Collins
Camden Collins

But the worms give you extra pleasure. Remember how Shirou said he felt her pussy walls move around his dick stimulating it?
He assumed Sakura could do those crazy pussy massage moves because she was an "educated prostitute", but it's actually the worms wriggling and squirming in their desire for semen.

Jayden Cooper
Jayden Cooper

We just need to wait 10-20 years for the inevitable F/SN remake where Ilya gets a route. Just like the Tsukihime remake is giving Sacchin one.

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

Too bad she doesn't prefer you, but girls.
How does it feel that Sakura is closer to fucking Rin than you would ever be?

Jack Gray
Jack Gray

This is a perfect mental image. This is what sums up Sakurafags perfectly. A bunch of people who read a story and go, yeah this is what I want.

Ian Green
Ian Green

20 years

Nasu will be dead or retired.

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

That will just speed things up. After he dies whoever replaces him is actually going to take his job seriously.

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

Nasu's last will
nothing about his estate or final affairs, just one sentance
"Prisma is the Illya route :^)"

Liam Mitchell
Liam Mitchell

It's not like you're actually touching them, the worms, once inside, change into a nerve-like structure that works as a magic circuit.
It's not like she has those huge ass penis worms literally stored inside her pussy.

Julian Gray
Julian Gray

Tsukihime remake

We STILL don't have a release date for that vaporware shit yet, do we?

Sebastian Sanders
Sebastian Sanders

Except we see them wriggling through Kariya's body multiple times in Zero.

Alexander Sanchez
Alexander Sanchez

But in nerve-like form. They were certainly not penis sized like the ones in the worm pit when we saw them move inside Kariya.

Easton Rogers
Easton Rogers

so if archer made a thousand rule breakers fall from the sky and attack every servant in sight he could have won and kill shirou

why he didnt do that

Nolan Edwards
Nolan Edwards

True enough

Blake Jenkins
Blake Jenkins

Is Rule Breaker's ability passive or active?
Does it work just with a normal cut or do you have to call it's name and activate it like Excalibur or Gae Bolg?
If it's the latter, then Archer can only use it as Caster does, not spamming.

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

Because nobody would fall for that. Every Servant would be able to easily defeat an attack that obvious and weak. Rule Breaker is only good for surprise attacks.

Owen Ward
Owen Ward

They could have easily just remade a pact with their masters. The thing with Saber is that Caster got Shirou to give his command seals away.

It would have been interesting to see Archer do it to Lancer in UBW had he ever learned that Lancer didn't like his master though.

Samuel Baker
Samuel Baker

Rule breaker is stated to be SHIT as a dagger. It would fly like crap with that shape, have a hard time piercing anyone, and be easily deflected.

Luke Watson
Luke Watson

Wait, I might be remember it wrong.

Blake Bailey
Blake Bailey

just spam RBs, whats the problem, archer can create thousands of RBs or better yet why not create Broken Phantasm RBs so when they hit by the explosions or something they lose the pact

no, archer would be their master

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

She's not underrated, but Rin is so perfect she outshines all the other girls

Brody Gutierrez
Brody Gutierrez

Rin is a shit, grow a pair user.

Zachary Wood
Zachary Wood

archer can create thousands of RBs

He can only swordspam so many at a time, and their attack power is so pathetic and flimsy that they're trivial even for non-Servants to knock away.

or better yet why not create Broken Phantasm RBs

That is not how Broken Phantasms work. Broken Phantasms are literally bombs made out of a noble phantasm. They just blow up really well.

Matthew Roberts
Matthew Roberts

Broken Phantasm RB
that's just overloading RB so it explodes, it won't make the explosion sever contracts,
However, he could mod the dagger to make Rule Breaker II, optimized to work as an arrow, like he did with Caladbolg and shoot it without overloading it with Prana.
He could basically make a contract-severing arrow and snipe sevants from behind to separate them from their masters. That would be a fine strategy against the ones that hate their masters like Cu.

Eli Turner
Eli Turner

I can't, I'm a girl.
Hey everyone look! I'm a grill!!!

Levi Collins
Levi Collins

enjoying an old man pleasuring you

Jose Taylor
Jose Taylor

Rin is perfection.

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

why do she have 3 seals there?

Hunter Evans
Hunter Evans

It would fly like crap with that shape
Why didn't Medea think in making it more aerodynamic? I mean, Archer can fire all the other swords just fine amirite?

Anthony Phillips
Anthony Phillips

She uses glasses, so her vision is not perfect, therefore she's not perfect.

Landon Martinez
Landon Martinez

Archer can't even snipe a single Servant to death in F/HA except Saber (who blocks his arrows regardless, he only overwhelms her with BP Hruntings and that would not happen with Rule Breaker arrows), he's not landing a Rule Breaker arrow on anyone.

Jeremiah Taylor
Jeremiah Taylor

Continuity error. It was fixed in the BD.

William Wilson
William Wilson

She got three seals back in the anime when she got Saber. Didn't really make a difference, she just used two extra in episode 24 to give Saber an extra boost to destroy the grail.

Colton Martinez
Colton Martinez

Archer has succesfully sniped Berserker and Saber, two of the greatest servants ever, and they were aware of his presence. Your average servant stands no chance if sniped from behind.

Carter Thomas
Carter Thomas

Rin a flat shit, Sakura is perfection

David Lopez
David Lopez

Archer only successfully sniped Berserker in the anime. In the VN, Berserker blocked the attack and didn't even die once in that whole fight. He's more than capable of blocking even a proper ambush by Archer.

Saber also blocked Archer's surprise attack in F/HA with no problems.

It's not a matter of facing, both of them have skills that straight up allow them to sense unseen threats.

Nicholas Bell
Nicholas Bell

obese cows pls go

Julian Myers
Julian Myers

underdeveloped jealous bitches pls go

Evan Perry
Evan Perry

Sakura is a borderline titty monster.

Aiden Martinez
Aiden Martinez

I fucking hope so.

Jacob Cook
Jacob Cook

Rin
flat
As expected.
Sakurafags, being unbalanced murder-loving sexual-deviant extremists, can only see two breast sizes: cowtits or flat.
People with taste favor a balanced figure that will age gracefully like fine wine, and not sag like Sakura will 5 years or so after F/SN.

Dominic Roberts
Dominic Roberts

Rin is flat and her terrible attitude will never allow her to grow decent breasts. Doomed for life.

Cameron Stewart
Cameron Stewart

Sakura is actually flat.
Liz and Luvia are the true titty monsters.

Thomas Wilson
Thomas Wilson

She hides her power level, its what makes her even more waifuable.

Hunter Sanchez
Hunter Sanchez

T O H S A K A
O
H
S
A
K
A

disagrees

Carter Roberts
Carter Roberts

/trash/

Mason Young
Mason Young

Even Saber has decent breasts, Rin has the perfect size, VN Sakura has good breasts, and current Sakura has disgusting cowtits.
Nasu thought giving her even bigger breasts would make people like her more and ignore the worms and all that shit, but he ended up ruining her figure.

Ryder Harris
Ryder Harris

You're just mad that there's no MAKIRI and there never will be because Sakura's max potential will never be worthy to sign a Counter Guardian pact with Alaya.

Jaxson Williams
Jaxson Williams

Bigger breasts equal motherhood.

Luvia and Sakura >>>>> Rin. Its a clear pattern.

Wyatt Clark
Wyatt Clark

MAKIRI
That would be Zouken.
Sakura would be either MATOU (which fits Shinji best, other than WAKAME), or TOHSAKA, and be of a different class than Rin, like what happened with Kerry.
Caster TOHSAKA = Rin
Assassin TOHSAKA = Sakura

Landon Gomez
Landon Gomez

Bigger breasts equal sag and fat.
And Sakura is flat compared to Luvia, don't you dare put her on the same level, you delusional faggot.

Adam Allen
Adam Allen

This.

Carter Ramirez
Carter Ramirez

Rin has shit attitude and is a washboard compared to everyone but Illya.

Sakura and Luvia are queens of their respective series fagget.

Jonathan Parker
Jonathan Parker

Luvia is a titty monster.

Sakura is the perfect middle ground.

Logan Anderson
Logan Anderson

Rin has shit attitude and is a washboard compared to everyone but Illya
Being this desperate

Sakura and Luvia are queens of their respective series fagget.
First, Luvia would be queen of BOTH series, since she appears in HF and HA.
But the true queen of cowtits in both series is actually Liz, followed by Medusa and Bazett.
Sakura is actually not impressive at all, so if you like big boobs you chose the wrong waifu, faggot.

Oliver Bennett
Oliver Bennett

Stop comparing Rin to anyone else, she'll always lose by miles or worse.

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

It's in the nature of the Wormfag to compare everything to Rin. Their world revolves around her, after all.

Daniel Evans
Daniel Evans

Disregard rinfags.

This is now a big tits thread.

Charles Stewart
Charles Stewart

This is now a shit taste thread

Lucas Jones
Lucas Jones

shit taste

Source?

Gavin Collins
Gavin Collins

After playing Heaven feel i have a higher opinion of her over all.
She still has flaws and hope they do her justice in the movie.

Jason Collins
Jason Collins

shit taste
Yes, wormfags have shit taste indeed.

Dominic Howard
Dominic Howard

No way Liz is THAT big. And where is the gravity?

Jason Torres
Jason Torres

Liz is the biggest Fate, aside from that fat chick from Extra and Passionlips, IIRC.

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

rinfags desperation

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

Is she taking a pee?

Camden Thomas
Camden Thomas

Casting my dislike for Rinfags aside, those posts you quoted are actually right.
Luvia is way bigger than Sakura, wormfags do have shit taste, and Sakura will likely never become a Counter Guardian.

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

Berserker didn't give a fuck cause he knew he'd no-sell it and Saber easily deflected multiple Hruntings (which have a homing effect)

Xavier Barnes
Xavier Barnes

Who cares about counter guardians ffs they are lame

Luke Lopez
Luke Lopez

The result is what counts, and they are top-tier servants who were aware of Archer's presence.

Angel Reyes
Angel Reyes

And when it was zero damage for one and aimbot for the other it's not that impressive

Blake Parker
Blake Parker

Sakura master race. Her babies with Shirou will be beautiful.

Andrew Roberts
Andrew Roberts

Thanks

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

Berserker died in the anime, and Hruntig's auto-aim is fair game. In fact, even his normal arrows appeared to auto aim when he was shown as a Counter Guardian killing ISIS and shit.

Robert Hill
Robert Hill

Sakura can't have babies, though.

Cooper Hughes
Cooper Hughes

Can she take a dick?

Landon Cooper
Landon Cooper

No. Autists can't properly consent, so she would have to be raped in order to take a dick.

Dominic Richardson
Dominic Richardson

Shirou and Sakura together can make the impossible possible user.

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

Well, they can always adopt or rent Rider or Rin's uterus.

Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez

Rin will be a minus, the only option is Illya to secure great genes.

Nolan Adams
Nolan Adams

In a world filled with magic she can.

Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

Isn't that just a legal matter? So even if she gives consent it will be rape?

Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

Servants can't procreate.

Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

I mean if she's anatomically complete and has a pussy and womb able to take a big cock?

Alexander Long
Alexander Long

Sakura is as much of a minus as Rin, Zouken didn't change her genes

Christopher Russell
Christopher Russell

Illya
Superior genes
She has albinism and probably doesn't even have nine months to live to have a child, and the baby would probably have his head crushed by the sheer tightness of her child-like pussy.
Tohsaka's genes are the closest to Sakura, and Rider is a fucking divine being, who wouldn't want defective albino genes over hers?

Evan Jenkins
Evan Jenkins

Sakura is the canon wife tho, she brings the purest feelings of love.

Camden Diaz
Camden Diaz

Irisviel had a pussy, or some other form of reproductive mechanism. But in Liz's case maybe reproduction wasn't a necessary function, so why give it a pussy and all the extra complications it includes in that case?

Parker Moore
Parker Moore

Sakura is the canon wife tho

No.

Sebastian Watson
Sebastian Watson

canon wife
can of worms

Elijah Bennett
Elijah Bennett

Sakura is the canon wife tho
The fuck you going on about? I love Sakura as well but what is this shit about "canon wife"?

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

canon waifu
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a
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f
u

Luis Young
Luis Young

w
o
r
m
f
u

John Myers
John Myers

The typical delusions of wormfags that make a regular to strong dislike towards Sakura become deep hate. I will call you sakurafag to not group you the same as him

Bentley Diaz
Bentley Diaz

fags getting triggered to kingdom come by a single word
everytime

Hudson Bailey
Hudson Bailey

Thank you. I hate how they force Sakura to be this perfect character in every Fate thread.

Lincoln Reyes
Lincoln Reyes

Honestly I have always disliked her since her introduction in the VN. Her sprite felt so fucking uninspired when I read this shit back in 2007. One color palette between eye and hair plus dead eyes that are simple to draw, compared to the other heroines she felt like a side character meant to be forgotten too like Ayako and even she had a more inspired sprite.

Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

Brown Shiki?

Chase Edwards
Chase Edwards

It never fails.

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

She's empty in her insides tho.

Oliver Ward
Oliver Ward

I wish Sakura could just shut up.
Her looks are a color pallette swap away from being good, but every single line she speaks is annoying and cringeworthy as fuck.

SENPAI SENPAI SENPAI SENPAI SENPAI, just fucking die.

Brayden Campbell
Brayden Campbell

Yesterday great thread about Rin
Today Sakura's one is a literal bait thread
Everytime. I don't dislike Sakura but sakurafags are insufferable faggots honestly.

Christopher Perry
Christopher Perry

but SENPAI is one of the greatest words ever created.

Aaron Miller
Aaron Miller

Yesterday great thread about Rin
Is it archived?
Last good Rin thread I remember is the one from her birthday.
Last good Sakura thread I remember is from 2008.

Hudson Martinez
Hudson Martinez

If you're referring to episode 3, Herc died from Excalibur, Caladbolg did jack shit.

Nathan Adams
Nathan Adams

Remember the Fate threads before Zero? Better times.

Nicholas Myers
Nicholas Myers

Nasu clarified in the season 1 BD interview that Caladbolg did kill him.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter, as Berserker regenerates his lives every three days.

Jeremiah Kelly
Jeremiah Kelly

Why is Sakura so perfect?

Nicholas Phillips
Nicholas Phillips

Less secondaries, more tolerance, yet DEEN praise is something I'd never want to go back to.

Landon Torres
Landon Torres

yet DEEN praise is something I'd never want to go back to.
Holy shit right, it goes to show how backwards Sup Forums is when it comes to adaptations.

Xavier Torres
Xavier Torres

Rider's face be like
I can't believe I was summoned to babysit this psycho whiny slut, I'd rather go back to being raped.

James Hall
James Hall

I don't hate DEEN, though. I thought the 2006 anime was pretty okay.

Their only real tremendous fuck up was the UBW movie.

Levi Watson
Levi Watson

Implying dark Sakura cares when she has Saber
lol

Gavin Hughes
Gavin Hughes

She's lucky.

Cameron Murphy
Cameron Murphy

What do you think of UBW UFO?

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

I love it.

Maybe I'm just not as high strung as some folks, though.

Hell, I'd even say there are redeeming elements to the movie. I'll fully admit its bad, but if I wanted to talk about it critically, there were some things there I liked.

Carter Hill
Carter Hill

We just didn't know any better and a lot of us were too young to care about many of the things we value now in good adaptations.

Jose Lee
Jose Lee

Cool

Sebastian Ortiz
Sebastian Ortiz

I'd even say there are redeeming elements to the movie
Hell yes there are. The voice acting, OST and the animation in the Saber vs Berserker fight were good.

Jason Hill
Jason Hill

Yeah, that's what I would say. The graveyard Berserker fight is good. Like, if you watch it, I don't think there's anything to really complain about.

I'd also say the whole intro sequence is really sharp. Great music, solid visual, and the energy's really good leading into that "Fate/stay night" title right at the end.

It greats bad pretty quickly, but there were definitely some positives.

Aaron Foster
Aaron Foster

I don't think there's anything to really complain about.
I don't like DEEN's greasy character designs and those blue or purple filters they put in the upper portion of the image in the night scenes, but aside from that the scene was good.
Oh, there's also Archer not using Caladbolg but another sword, but that's a minor detail.

Jayden Thompson
Jayden Thompson

Implying that Rider would ever regret following Sakura.

user, please.

Dominic Lopez
Dominic Lopez

Yeah, that was weird. I'm guessing it probably had something to do with him using the real Caladbolg just like, 15 minutes later on Caster. They probably felt it would look off or something, just from a pacing perspective.

Or I don't know.

Matthew King
Matthew King

She regrets it daily since Sakura is a jealous bitch and prevents her from fucking Shirou.

Ryan Rogers
Ryan Rogers

jealous and insecure are Rin's second names tho

Cooper Hill
Cooper Hill

Purity is overrated.

Elijah Lopez
Elijah Lopez

Rin
jealous
being this desperate

Michael Perry
Michael Perry

Only Shirou could handle this much perfection

Ayden Martin
Ayden Martin

Taiga lover here but user, Rin insecurity complex is just canon, not saying justified, but it's always there.

Hunter Miller
Hunter Miller

Sakura goes Berserk when she realized the whole high jump thing wasn't her's alone. I don't really see how Rin's particularly insecure.

Robert Cook
Robert Cook

Rin is canonically less possessive over Shirou than Sakura is, that's all.

Robert James
Robert James

SHE STOLE HER PRECIOUS MEMORY WITH SENPAI, CAN'T YOU SEE???

Nathaniel Anderson
Nathaniel Anderson

Sakura struggles only made her victories all the more sweeter.

Liam Allen
Liam Allen

I want to father worms of my own!

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

Sakura's wriggles only made her viscosity all the more stickier.

Ayden Campbell
Ayden Campbell

Just when I thought I couldn't be more jealous of Shirou.

Tyler Robinson
Tyler Robinson

You could have his big cock too

Wyatt Rodriguez
Wyatt Rodriguez

The entire point of HF is that when faced with the choice of saving the lives of people he didn't know and saving the life of someone extremely close to him, Shirou couldn't bring himself to make the objectively right decision because as fucked up as his mindset was, he was still fundamentally human. That was the pretty much the entire crux of HF, and why his steady transformation into an inhuman robot and his final battle with the fully human on the outside yet inhuman on the inside Kotomine were so ironic. It's also the fundamental parallel between Kiritsugu in F/Z and Shirou in HF, though in Shirou's case he lucked out by not living in a world written by Urobutchi.

You actually see him do something similar in an earlier route, too. When Caster kidnaps Taiga in I think UBW, Shirou drops everything to go save her. It's a dumb as hell move, but Taiga means far more to Shirou than the Holy Grail War ever could, and his actions reflect that.

Anyway with that said, you also have to realize that HF's situation is EXTREMELY contrived. Shirou needed to find out that somebody he had come to treat as part of his family was actually suffering the entire time and that she was doing something wrong enough that he'd have to decide between his personal morality and his sense of justice. It's such a ridiculously specific scenario that you can really obviously tell that Sakura was designed just to make it happen.

Jason Turner
Jason Turner

Taiga is in love with Kerry (and has a crush on Waver). She doesn't give a shit about Shirou in 'that way'.

Oliver Jones
Oliver Jones

TL;DR: Sakura is a glorified plot device.

Luis Edwards
Luis Edwards

The fuck: her purpose was to push out a baby for Zouken.

Are you spouting a meme?

Jason Gutierrez
Jason Gutierrez

The arrow is off because that's how DEEN portrayed his arrow version.

Alexander Watson
Alexander Watson

rinfags will say anything at this point

Henry Powell
Henry Powell

Saber has true love with Merlin. Shirou got BTFO.
Rin is possessed by a slut goddess (Ishtar).
Sakura is possessed by Pavarti, goddess of marriage and devoted loyal love instead.
Ilya is cucked always, even in Prisma.

And yes, you need to be compatible to be chosen as vessel. Waver confirmed it in Accel Zero event. So Sakura is the canon wife, so wife-tier that the most waifu deity chose her as vessel.

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

She's underrated because she's nothing.

Asher Gray
Asher Gray

Not small enough if you ask me.

Ethan Brooks
Ethan Brooks

Yeah, it's like this guy said:

She really is a lot more endearing in F/HA though. Too bad nobody's read that.

Robert Ward
Robert Ward

What face will you make when the final day of Heaven's Feel begins?

Isaac Hill
Isaac Hill

The worms eat women uterus and shit, it's in HF.
Zouken never actually gave a shit about babies and descendance, he was planning to make his soul immortal with the Grail.

Jason Kelly
Jason Kelly

You actually see him do something similar in an earlier route, too.

Same shit in Fate route. He didn't give a shit about saving Ilya or the world, he wanted to run away with Saber more than fight Kotomine and Gil. Because he didn't want to lose her. He didn't because Saber was going to reject that and he knew it.

Shirou would prioritize anyone who matters in his life: Taiga, Saber, Ilya and Sakura, depending the route.

Bizarrely, Rin is always fucked over.

Brayden Baker
Brayden Baker

She really is a lot more endearing in F/HA
She's also a stalker and a full blown yandere too.
She was better in HF.
HA is pure flanderization.

Austin Russell
Austin Russell

The worms eat women uterus and shit, it's in HF.

Eh, no, they need it to survive. They breed there, as gross that is. Go and read CM and FZ: her purpose was to provide Zouken a new baby-body for him to possess. Are you fucking stupid or a secondary? Smells like a secondary here.

She regenerates any damage anyway. Gil decapitated her after she was worm free and she stitched herself up. Or are you forgetting this shit? He disemboweled her and she regenerated.

Ethan Campbell
Ethan Campbell

Secondary detected. Sakura's original purpose is to make a new Matou because Zouken possesses them. It's not like he cares about the "family", he jumps bodies from his own "bloodline." He was going to body jump her in HF when he thought her mind broke.

Worms do not damage her at all, they feed on her arousal and prana. That's the difference with the worms that Kariya had. They do not interfere at all with her body.

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

Yeah, they totally don't damage her, and they only feed on prana guys, you're sooo primary!
They give the woman huge enough orgasms to fry her brain, and they go into her body to devour her placenta.
The lust worms will wet the woman's skin with their mucus, excite and destroy her central nerves of pleasure, and satisfy their hunger.
It must be their instincts, as the worms seem to love the woman's womb.

And as for regeneration, Sakura never regenerated her hair to brown, her eyes to blue and, of course, her hymen. It's obvious that she can only go back to how she was just before being injured, any other previous damage is permanent.

And as for Zouken wanting a baby, he didn't actually gave a shit, or he wouldn't have placed a nest of flesh eating worms in her uterus or experimented on her with all kinds of poison, physical and psychological torture, rape, etc.

Also, Shinji raped her countless times, and Shirou never once used a condom and came on her many times too, and she never got pregnant.

Odds of her having a healthy baby are slim as fuck if there's any chance at all.

Aiden Williams
Aiden Williams

Sakura beated the worms using the love Shirou gave her.

Camden Lopez
Camden Lopez

Saber Rider is the best.

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

Whatever floats your worm

Christopher Wright
Christopher Wright

FUCKING
WORMS FUCKING
WORMS FUCKING
WORMS FUCKING
WORMS FUCKING
WORMS FUCKING
WORMS FUCKING

Hunter Young
Hunter Young

You actually see him do something similar in an earlier route, too. When Caster kidnaps Taiga in I think UBW, Shirou drops everything to go save her. It's a dumb as hell move, but Taiga means far more to Shirou than the Holy Grail War ever could, and his actions reflect that.

You have to understand the context of this scene.

A lot of folks like to bring this up as proof that Shirou's ideals, even in something like UBW, aren't absolute, but they seem to ignore the fact that that event happens before the majority of Shirou's character development in UBW.

The crux of Shirou's growth lies in the events of the Archer fight and beyond. Before that, he's struggling with what it means to be a hero, and what it takes, so when he sees Taiga in danger, he rushes to sacrifice himself, regardless of the cost.

The Archer fight instills in him that sometimes, sacrifices have to be made. He will go on to kill people, and he accepts the burden that that mantle brings.

Samuel Barnes
Samuel Barnes

That's how much Shirou loves Sakura user

Joshua Foster
Joshua Foster

He loves Saber more, though. Avalon ending confirms.

Jayden Rodriguez
Jayden Rodriguez

Meant to reply to

Justin Smith
Justin Smith

Why Rin gets less love than sand people? Rin is to suffer.

Angel Harris
Angel Harris

Rin and Shirou get a happily ever after, and all the while Shirou gets to follow his dream.

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

ISIS >> Rin

William Hall
William Hall

NON-CANON ENDING MEANING SHIT. LOLOLOL

Caleb Cooper
Caleb Cooper

Bitching about no Illya route
Not a route with Rider

I'm not gonna count the non-canon Sakura route where you get two purple haired waifus

Cameron Long
Cameron Long

ufotable is gonna fuck up Heaven's Feel, mates.

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

Killing all those brown people is helping secure the homefront.

Nasu wrote it. It's canon.

Daniel Bennett
Daniel Bennett

Reminder that Shirou never intended to go back to Sakura, and in the end thought becoming a superhero by destroying the grail was the superior path.
HF Normal is what Shirou wanted, HF True is a miracle only made possible by best girl.

James Wilson
James Wilson

that handholding
That's a blue board user. Don't post something that lewd again.

Kevin Richardson
Kevin Richardson

It's already fucked.
Ufo is not doing 4 or 5 movies, so the VN won't get decently covered and shit will be cut, probably important shit like the cooking scenes.

Brandon Gutierrez
Brandon Gutierrez

Nasu wrote it. It's canon.
No, the anime is an adaptation of the canon work. Adaptations are never perfect and any changes are non-canon.

Blake Baker
Blake Baker

Damn,, they are great

Isaiah Foster
Isaiah Foster

The original creator wrote it as an extension of the story's ending.

Is Last Episode not canon? RN is an adaptation of FSN for consoles, after all.

Grayson Barnes
Grayson Barnes

Nasu himself made the changes, moron. Everything in the anime is canon. You're fortunate enough it's not a retcon.

Aiden James
Aiden James

What a flat ass.
Sakura is hopeless.

Cameron James
Cameron James

The original creator wrote it as an extension of the story's ending.
So what? He never said it was an extension.

Mason Morgan
Mason Morgan

This is also canon.

Jonathan Evans
Jonathan Evans

Shirou will groom her body into higher perfection.

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

It takes place after the original ending, and is entirely penned by him. Not sure what else it is.

Jonathan Rodriguez
Jonathan Rodriguez

user please, get out if you don't know at least where it came from.

Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

How? Sakura can't squat for shit, she despises exercise.
Food alone won't improve her in any way.

Angel Perez
Angel Perez

and they go into her body to devour her placenta.

Learn biology retard, the placenta does away when a woman menstruates every month. You're embarrassing me because you don't even know how a woman's body works. Did you learn this from h doujins?

Charles Walker
Charles Walker

Yep. It's pretty in line with at Caster would do with Sakura.

John Watson
John Watson

I guess "actually has a personality now" is a flanderization if you really stretch the meaning of that trope.

Chase Parker
Chase Parker

Love user, love

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

It's an extension for the anime. It's only canon for the anime.

Alexander Anderson
Alexander Anderson

Taiga in danger, he rushes to sacrifice himself, regardless of the cost.

No, he rushes in, and is willing to sacrifice all people, including Rin, if she dares to interfere because Taiga is his number one that route.

Anthony Peterson
Anthony Peterson

Reminder that Shirou never intended to go back to Sakura, and in the end thought becoming a superhero by destroying the grail was the superior path.

That's wrong. He kept forgetting everything and only remembered Sakura. He wanted to free her, he was acting out of instinct. He didn't give a shit about muh superhero. He wanted to kill Angra Mainyu to free Sakura specifically.

Juan Fisher
Juan Fisher

No, he rushes in, and is willing to sacrifice all people, including Rin

He said he would ___ Rin. That could fucking literally mean "stop". People who bring up that part are pushing it and are only trying to create a waifu war.

The real important factor here are Shirou's ideals, and the importance of that scene in terms of development for him. It's when he's still shaky on how he can follow through with his ideals.

Caleb Lopez
Caleb Lopez

Worms feed on the placenta. If you knew a woman's cycle, you'll know when the women bleed every month, that's the infertile placenta. New one grows again when they are fertile. Repeat the process.

Sakura has no damage. And you're a secondary, it's mentioned Zouken intents to use her as a brood mare. When he will, he'll remove the worms, of course. That's why he changed her alignment to Matou. When he didn't have to.

Andrew Russell
Andrew Russell

You don't simply brush it off when two people rape you user.

Come the fuck on.

Camden Gray
Camden Gray

Sure, it's blanked because he meant only to "stop" her. user, don't be so delusional.

Matthew Ross
Matthew Ross

The burden of proof is on you. You're implying he was going to kill Rin.

Shirou, later in the route, openly talks about being willing to kill Archer and Gil, so that's not like some taboo word for him. It's just a typical Nasuism.

Brody Green
Brody Green

Could be very well a mistranslation, or Nasu being ignorant. You're nitpicking too much.

The worms do eat flesh and nest in the fucking uterus, of all places, and there are millions of them wanting to get to that place to eat. The damage is gonna be massive, and scar tissue in the uterus, tubes and cervix, damage to the cervical mucus, inflamation of the Fallopian tubes, pelvic adhesions, etc. cause inferitlity. And Sakura is extremely likely to have ALL of those, aside from the worms literally making it impossible to have babies because there's no placenta.

Luis Turner
Luis Turner

See Even if it's just the placenta they eat, which is unlikely and oddly specific, Sakura still has no chance from the damage recieved.

Levi Anderson
Levi Anderson

You're probably gone, but I just want to say that I agree with you.

Noah Lewis
Noah Lewis

Oh God. You're fucking retarded. The worm did nothing but feed on the lining that is shed every month. Didn't touch her eggs, or uterus, or anything like that. They were like contraceptives because it didn't let her get pregnant as long they were there. They are gone after HF. Completely. The mucus reestablishes itself. Since they needed constant food, they just artificially stimulated the estrous cycle. Had she been infertile, they wouldn't have meals at all.

Zouken stated he wanted her to push out a kid, retards. Because he needs a new vessel. Zouken takes possession of his family members (what the fuck do you think the crest of worm is? It's his soul jar he inserts in them), but Kariya fucked off before he got training and his brother was shit. Now stop spreading misinformation and crack open a book.

Wyatt Flores
Wyatt Flores

Did you guys forgot Sakura regenerate a severed head, her guts spilling out, and her torn out heart in HF? Even if she received damage (and nothing was stated about this at all, by the way), she would have simply healed any damage. She brought herself back from the dead after Gil killed her: Rin stated her body, all Sakura's internal organs, died. She just bounced back.

But it's not even stated or brought up. Just your delusional headcanon. Kotomine would have salted a wound like that, if she couldn't have kids, and he didn't. Why miss a chance?

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

ITT: Rinfags mad that Shirou would rather fuck an ISIS member than have brats with her

Jealousy is showing again that she got the shittiest ending.

Colton White
Colton White

But Rin is the only heroine we she get pregnant.

Angel Hernandez
Angel Hernandez

she was too weak and miscarried

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

hasn't graduated from high school
gets pregnant
as expected of trash

Carson Parker
Carson Parker

Leave my waifu alone

Adam Davis
Adam Davis

;_;

Gavin Anderson
Gavin Anderson

Maybe they gave her bigger tits and explain it with the worms being everywhere in her body even in her breasts and fill it out even more

Brayden Cox
Brayden Cox

is this from the deen anime?

Nicholas Morgan
Nicholas Morgan

so what is the reception to sakura? I am new here but I don't have any strong opinions on Type Moon.

Matthew Martinez
Matthew Martinez

Avalon ending
About as canon as Sakura being a virgin.

Anthony Thompson
Anthony Thompson

Not being generic like Saber and Rin doesn't mean not having personality.

Noah Davis
Noah Davis

Christ, who the fuck is going to turn up next in Prisma

Asher Green
Asher Green

You want proof? Just look at one of the pages of the F/Z manga [which got released after Realta Nua]

Zachary Foster
Zachary Foster

Nasu himself made the changes, moron.
Holy fuck

Robert Cox
Robert Cox

F/Z manga

Jacob Brown
Jacob Brown

Those movies are gonna be good no matter what:
DICK WORMS
Tohsaka's Anus
Mapo Tofu
All those fight scenes
More priest action
Soundtrack by Yuki Kajiura
Uncensored...no dolphin shit here

Benjamin Ward
Benjamin Ward

where is my 3REI spoiler?

Blake Wright
Blake Wright

remove Yuki Kajiura and we might have a deal.

Nathaniel Ross
Nathaniel Ross

Shit, are you an American? Because that is the only reason I can think of that would explain you, needing a work of fiction to stay innocent and without any adult themes. In your own little world you have to slap the word "canon" on it. What the fuck is wrong with you. Fate is an eroge, your whiny "b-but they had to do it for it to sell!" ain't gonna change that. Grow up.

Kevin Campbell
Kevin Campbell

Soundtrack by Yuki Kajiura
Please don't.

David Moore
David Moore

thinks the F/Z manga is good or proof of anything
telling others to grow up

Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

I'm a different user.
I don't need to prove something is "canon" or not and I find you doing this exact thing slightly amusing.

Jaxson White
Jaxson White

Sure thing, secondary.

Brody Ramirez
Brody Ramirez

secondary
Oh boy.

Jacob Taylor
Jacob Taylor

The first two and the last one are pretty unlikely. It may be a movie, but it's not a H-movie. It's more likely to follow the RN version, but without the violence and harsh language being censored.

Daniel Bell
Daniel Bell

Since TOHSAKA's design is obviously influenced by Bayonetta and you could make a case for EMIYA's design being influenced by Dante, who would MAKIRI/MATOU's design be influenced by?

Xavier Perry
Xavier Perry

not for long

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

It'll probably be a mix, mana transfer via sex is already implicitly canon in Ufotable's adaptations, and they have the dick/blood worms. Now I don't want a H-movie (fade to black etc. is preferable) but I enjoy the regular VN plot over the RN one, the years of sexual abuse and torture leading up to her snapping is much more satisfying, and it makes for a nice contrast with her relationship with Shirou. I think it'll essentially be a less gratuitous version of the regular VN, keeping the sex/romance but making Sakura want blood over semen.

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

Sam, from Vanquish.

Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

A better option than that bland, forgettable Unlimited Blade Works composer to be honest. Think it's obvious they realised the music change for UBW was a mistake otherwise they wouldn't have went back to Yuki Kajiura for HF.

Not to mention that Kajiura's movie soundtracks tend to be pretty good.

Colton Allen
Colton Allen

WORMTITS

John Cruz
John Cruz

Not to mention that Kajiura's movie soundtracks tend to be pretty identical to each other
FTFY

Jordan Sullivan
Jordan Sullivan

I'm deaf
FTFY

Jayden Hernandez
Jayden Hernandez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvSTHMWay-w

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

Shinji's is bigger.

Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

be Sakura
summon servant
all your servant does is to sleep with or try to sleep with your friends, family, club mates, and romantic interests
Must be disappointing.

Jordan Ward
Jordan Ward

Fukusawa was the better choice for UBW.

but Kajiura? I don't want HF to be sounding like Kara no Kyoukai.

Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia

but Kajiura? I don't want HF to be sounding like Kara no Kyoukai.
This.

Shirou vs Kotomine
choirs and violin
Fuck.

Carson Reyes
Carson Reyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u_QQKVZKXE
Like this?

Caleb Diaz
Caleb Diaz

Not that guy but,

yeah like that, except it's not KATE, +a choir, +kajiura's "style", +Kalafina.

Juan Harris
Juan Harris

But user, this is the song that plays when they actually fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDYPFfnm3g

Jonathan Jones
Jonathan Jones

I want to make Sakura the mother of my children.

Isaiah Williams
Isaiah Williams

You're late user, she's already pregnant with my children.

Michael Butler
Michael Butler

It's always good to see another fan of the glorious AronHeadbutt.

Logan Williams
Logan Williams

New memes when

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

You're raising my kids, dumbass. But sure, whatever.

Nathan Turner
Nathan Turner

I dunno. Why is Saber so overrated?

Charles Carter
Charles Carter

Rider is better

Joshua Lopez
Joshua Lopez

How would Captain Tohsaka have reacted if Kariya told him about the worms?

Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

Pretty sure he knew.

Hudson Baker
Hudson Baker

rider is worst servant, she doesn't do anything in the first two routes and all her abilities are broken as fuck "lol you don't get to move =)" stuff so everyone always beats her in really asspull ways

Noah Ward
Noah Ward

called Rider
only rides a mount once

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