Yahari Oregairu

Austin Gutierrez
Austin Gutierrez

Iroha is better than those other sluts.

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Cameron Cook
Cameron Cook

Why?

Brandon Martin
Brandon Martin

came here for fury irohard

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

Witnessed

Jayden Flores
Jayden Flores

Iroha/Yukino could take the cake if they just confess, except Yui. 8man did not show any sign of attraction towards her.

Christian Ross
Christian Ross

Your jokes fail to amuse me

Jonathan Sullivan
Jonathan Sullivan

She's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vRlJrkxsqo

Henry Harris
Henry Harris

That's a boy

Jayden Adams
Jayden Adams

Fucking expensive.
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Blake Ortiz
Blake Ortiz

Hope she gets more doujins when the game comes out.

David Rogers
David Rogers

So does Iroha actually want the 8? If so why is she going after Hayama and makes a big show of it.

Dominic Green
Dominic Green

She doesn't. That's why she makes sure to keep rejecting him.

Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

Your point?

Samuel Thompson
Samuel Thompson

Who else is hyped for the game's h-scenes?

Gavin Lewis
Gavin Lewis

Every girl secretly wants the 8, even if they don't know it yet. And I'm dead serious.

Nathan Kelly
Nathan Kelly

I don't remember a good amount of those characters. Unless I just can't tell who they are from the no color.

Wyatt Sullivan
Wyatt Sullivan

down to fuck
Ebina
Rumi
Haruno
Orimoto

mouth rape
Yui
Yukino
Iroha
Miura
Komachi

sweet
Shizuka
Keika
Meguri

accident
Yuimom
Saki

consensual
Saika

Wyatt Roberts
Wyatt Roberts

2cute

Blake Evans
Blake Evans

i need this cake

Ryan Green
Ryan Green

1st row: Yukino, Yui, Iroha
2nd row: Haruno, Saki, Keika
3rd row: Saika, Rumi, Komachi
4th row: Ebina, Miura, Hiratsuka-sensei
5th row: Meguri, Yui's mom, Orimoto

Samuel Green
Samuel Green

8man isn't taking the initiative with Sensie
8man is only taking the initiative with Saika
What.

Logan Hall
Logan Hall

W-W-What if they pull a Haganai and make Yui and Yukino GTFO while having Saika or Iroha take Hachiman?

Nolan Mitchell
Nolan Mitchell

Everyone else is trying to force their feelings on him, even though the only one 8man has shown interest in is Saika. He's gay as fuck

Jonathan Garcia
Jonathan Garcia

I'm pretty sure the only girl he's definitively interested in is Saki.

Camden Long
Camden Long

Saika is the new Yukimura

Parker Murphy
Parker Murphy

He can't even remember her name

Grayson Martinez
Grayson Martinez

He's just narrating it that way to the reader so that we don't pick up on his feelings.

Daniel Lewis
Daniel Lewis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator

Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

She's waiting on 8man's sister to enroll into school the next year, Iroha will woo her and enter the family that way.

John Gray
John Gray

why is she doing that?

Lincoln Williams
Lincoln Williams

Yukinon is a vampire and she's feeding on Hikigaya's blood.

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

The other sluts simply can't compare to the top slut Iroha, that much is true.

The nonslutty girls however are much better.

Michael Young
Michael Young

nice thread,needs more Yukinoshita though.

Aaron Lopez
Aaron Lopez

Will Yui win the Hikki bowl again or will she get BTFO?

Camden Lee
Camden Lee

Harem end confirmed by WW yesterday.

Joshua Davis
Joshua Davis

At least we know that no matter what Yui and Yukino's friendship will withstand this storm.

Robert Morgan
Robert Morgan

ANOTHER after story

Easton Walker
Easton Walker

with special guest writer Fumiaki Maruto!

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

Can confirm this is canon

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

I wait for 3 days. Thank you anyway. Now looking for FFF's episode 1-3 file on internet.

Jordan Barnes
Jordan Barnes

Some nips joke that ANOTHER is WA2 in the making.

Lucas Edwards
Lucas Edwards

Good Irohasu, everyone!

Adam Edwards
Adam Edwards

Jesus Chriss, my dick.

Hunter Cooper
Hunter Cooper

proof or GTFO

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

When does Yukino stop pretending to be in love with Hachiman?

Cooper Reyes
Cooper Reyes

Pure Iroha

Asher Edwards
Asher Edwards

White Album 2: The Second

Joshua Hall
Joshua Hall

She'll stop pretending after they marry, have kids, spend a life together. One day when she's an old woman tending his grave, she'll burst out laughing.

Bentley Barnes
Bentley Barnes

Well at least they're no longer in denial about it not being a fairy tale happy ending like the early spoilers claimed.

Liam Lewis
Liam Lewis

So just to make sure
Vol 12 will be about Yui being btfo right?

David Garcia
David Garcia

It's likely to include her losing the 8bowl. But just how BTFO she gets remains to be seen.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee

Truly in it for the long con eh?

Not sure if it's worth it considering how much she would have to spend on MAX COFFEE™.

Camden Rivera
Camden Rivera

WW gave Yukino a good end in ANOTHER so that means he will do the same for Yui in the main series.

Ayden Hughes
Ayden Hughes

Yukino
Good end in ANOTHER

Sure

Connor Wilson
Connor Wilson

If you don't read the recipes you can't tell something is wrong.

Lincoln Martinez
Lincoln Martinez

My universe.

Liam Jones
Liam Jones

What did Iroha mean by "Is that too sweet for you?"

Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

There is nothing wrong with listening to your mother and supporting your friends. You will go to a great school and will probably marry your childhood friend. Does it really matter if Yui has something you want?

Brody Anderson
Brody Anderson

GAH MY DICK
NANDE?

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

Wrong!

Lincoln Cooper
Lincoln Cooper

tits defying gravity
Nice to know Yui has implants, slut.

Jayden Flores
Jayden Flores

implying that teacher lady isnt best girl

kek

Daniel Barnes
Daniel Barnes

Irohasu a best. A BEST

Logan Evans
Logan Evans

the foxiest

Brandon Long
Brandon Long

Oh my..

Ryan Perez
Ryan Perez

slut is better than those other sluts

Daniel Wright
Daniel Wright

wrong

Ian Hill
Ian Hill

Fucking expensive
I''d say expensive fucking but yes, it's called Iroha.

Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

Who is Komachi going to send that photo to?

Ian Foster
Ian Foster

2chan

Kayden Bailey
Kayden Bailey

Pick one without looking. That is now the song that plays at the end of Oregairu.

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James Lewis
James Lewis

the send one
I didn't see the conditions before looking at the spoiler. Does that count? I'd like to reconsider.

Hudson Johnson
Hudson Johnson

10.5 OVA FUCKING WHEN? I am so afraid of kicking the bucket before witnessing it.

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

What are you on your death bed or something? It's literally a matter of days. You can wait.

Christopher Brown
Christopher Brown

Calm down, we're all going to make it.
Right?

Andrew Nelson
Andrew Nelson

If I cant get the cake I will settle for the femboy

Landon Cook
Landon Cook

days
There's two months before it comes out

Dylan Moore
Dylan Moore

Nothing left to do now but wait for vol 12 and Yukino's glorious victory. I wonder if they will show her marriage to Hachiman or just imply that it will happen.

Jack Campbell
Jack Campbell

Volume 12 is never going to happen. Watari will delay it for all of eternity.

Japan with its declining birthrates and failing industry have no choice but to money grab with popular series until they turn to shit and stagnate.

Nathan Phillips
Nathan Phillips

Why did she make such a lewd face

Kayden Roberts
Kayden Roberts

She was enjoying her senpai's saliva.

Jordan Allen
Jordan Allen

Yuckyno a shit and worst girl.

Justin Reyes
Justin Reyes

Yukino is cute and the best girl.

Cameron Nelson
Cameron Nelson

what is this ANOTHER thing?
i dont get it

Asher Torres
Asher Torres

Alternate ending to Oregairu written by WW that came with the BDs. Yui end with Yukino hiding her feelings for Hachiman, supporting Yui, and Hachiman giving up genuine.

Landon Gomez
Landon Gomez

Don't forget the complete lack of a final talk with Sensei to conclude the series with a throwback to the beginning.

ANOTHER can hardly even be called the same series.

Owen Howard
Owen Howard

That simply means that even Sensei is disappointed in Hachiman for not choosing Yukino.

Elijah Lewis
Elijah Lewis

Are Yui's feelings for Hachiman genuine?

If so, you could say that, in a poetic sense, Yukino did fulfill Hachiman's request in ANOTHER like she promised. By ducking out and pushing the two together she helped Hachiman get something genuine, even if that wasn't her direct motivation.

Oliver Cooper
Oliver Cooper

ANOTHER isn't the genuine route, so no.

Nolan Flores
Nolan Flores

I guess 'genuine' in the general sense of the word, not 'genuine' in the 'magical Yukino/Hachiman route' that the series is mostly about.

Robert Harris
Robert Harris

Anything built on lies, treachery, and deceit can never be considered genuine.

8man and Yukino both simply gave up. They let their weakness get the better of them and they just stopped trying. The path they chose was simply easier. That's what happened.

Ayden Moore
Ayden Moore

Well ultimately a relationship is just between two people. Lies play a role in Yukino's actions, but I don't know that there is "lies, treachery and deceit" between Yui and Hachiman in ANOTHER. So if the end result for those two lovers is genuine, even if Yukino herself abandons it, you could still call it genuine for Hachiman.

Jaxon Diaz
Jaxon Diaz

they just stopped trying. The path they chose was simply easier. That's what happened.

This. Yui is essentially the easy way out.

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

but I don't know that there is "lies, treachery and deceit" between Yui and Hachiman in ANOTHER

Then you haven't paid attention during volume 7-9.

So if the end result for those two lovers is genuine, even if Yukino herself abandons it, you could still call it genuine for Hachiman.

The entire point is that even Hachiman gives up on wanting something genuine in ANOTHER.

Jaxon Collins
Jaxon Collins

Half the reason Yukino gave up was due to her problem with not pursuing what she wants. She assisted Yui in order to help Yui but also to run away.

It seemed to me 8man is legitimately interested in Yui romantically. Sure he gives up on genuine but it isn't as if he doesn't like Yui.

Owen Bennett
Owen Bennett

Then you haven't paid attention during volume 7-9.
Yui is crossing the distance between her and 8man in ANOTHER by any means. There doesn't seem to be deceit between her and him.

The entire point is that even Hachiman gives up on wanting something genuine in ANOTHER.
Maybe so but having a cute and dedicated gf isn't all that bad. The only one who gets the shit end of the stick is Yukino and it is a self made wound.

Things might get better for all of them, 8man will try to know more and more about both and cross the distance himself rather than have Yui do it. For all we know they both can get Yukino out of her shell and help her.

Easton Ramirez
Easton Ramirez

The only way that plan doesn't blow up in their faces is if 8man and Yukino are kept away from each other at all times.

Yui had to exploit Yukino's weakness in order to achieve her relationship. If 8man ever finds out about that it might be enough to wake him from his dormant state and reignite his search for something genuine.

Parker Bell
Parker Bell

Hachiman's idea of something genuine is a long lasting meaningful relationship where both parties can know everything about one another and share the most intimate details about each other. However, Hachiman gives up on wanting that in ANOTHER. So how is this the conclusion you draw from this end?

8man will try to know more and more about both and cross the distance himself rather than have Yui do it. For all we know they both can get Yukino out of her shell and help her.

He has never had, doesn't have and never will have that type of relationship with Yui. He also chooses not to have that type of relationship with Yukino in ANOTHER. Simply being in a relationship for the sake of being in a relationship with someone is not the genuine thing Hachiman was looking for. In his own words:

If what I wished for was granted to me, if what I wanted was given to me. Then, as I thought, I wouldn’t wish for anything nor want anything. Because the things you were granted and the things you were given were surely shams that would one day be lost.

Yes, Hachiman is dating Yui in ANOTHER, but it isn't the long lasting meaningful relationship he wants from the main series.

Jordan Diaz
Jordan Diaz

Yui had to exploit Yukino's weakness in order to achieve her relationship.
I don't know that you can say she exploited it, because she doesn't really understand Yukino's weakness. She's knows it's unfair, because she knows Yukino has feelings for him too. But she has not witnessed Yukino in doll mode like in vol 11. To her it was just two girls going for the same boy and one had to win. Unfair, but that's life.

I kind of feel like the lesson of ANOTHER is how you can hurt people without even realizing it if you don't understand them, which has happened before in the series. Yukino friends are hurting her by facilitating her weakness, even though they don't understand that they are doing it.

And understanding is at the heart of what Hachiman means by "genuine" as evidenced by his monologue in the genuine scene and also in his character song. So, even if it's literally true that Yui feelings for Hachiman are 'genuine' and therefore he has found it in one sense of the word, in the sense that he meant it, he has not in ANOTHER.

Parker Phillips
Parker Phillips

Holy shit user I haven't laughed this hard in a while

Mason Stewart
Mason Stewart

because she doesn't really understand Yukino's weakness

Yui very well knows Yukino has trouble turning Yui down. That has been made very clear in the series.

In the face of well-established logic and words, Yukinoshita was quick to turn people down. But whenever she was pressured by sentimental words and gestures, she’d cave in surprisingly easy. Source: Yuigahama’s usual exchanges with her.

Yuigahama looked at Yukinoshita with puppy dog eyes and Yukinoshita let out a sigh, eventually giving in.
“…Haa, just this time only.”

What did I know about Yukino Yukinoshita? She was easily coerced by Yuigahama, that she liked cats, that she spent her weekends watching cat videos while hugging a Pan-san plushie.

“Oh, I can’t have you looking down on me. I’m making sure to learn myself,” said Yukinoshita, showing an unyielding smile. But midway, it lost its spirit. “…Yuigahama-san, she may not look like it, but she can be really stubborn, so there are times when turning her down is pointless.”
“That’s not learning, that’s being whipped…”
Well, Yukinoshita and Yuigahama’s slightly unhealthy relationship was in its own way a sign of progress, so that’s fine, yes. Or so I was thinking until Yuigahama shot up her hands. “Ah, I know!”
“It looks like you have something in mind. Can we hear it?”
Once Yukinoshita was ready to hear her out (fully whipped), Yuigahama lifted her finger. She spun it and opened her mouth not looking very confident.
“Umm… W-We can all eat chicken together, or something!”

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Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor

mfw this discussion of ANOTHER

Ethan Cox
Ethan Cox

The only way that plan doesn't blow up in their faces is if 8man and Yukino are kept away from each other at all times.
You think Yui wouldn't be paranoid as shit about 8man and Yukino spending time together? She knows she likes him and god knows Yui has a bit of a possessive streak. I doubt they would spend much time alone since Yukino would probably run away from that too.

Yui had to exploit Yukino's weakness in order to achieve her relationship.
Yui didn't exploit shit, Yukino is the one who decided to help Yui and Yui just took the help.

Hachiman's idea of something genuine is a long lasting meaningful relationship where both parties can know everything about one another and share the most intimate details about each other.
That can be grown between people who are already dating. There is no requirement that they cann't be dating before they achieve it. Just because a relationship isn't perfect at the start that doesn't mean it can't get stronger. Maybe it won't be his form of genuine genuine but that doesn't mean it s a complete farce.

Why are you ignoring that he actually has feelings for her in ANOTHER?

He also chooses not to have that type of relationship with Yukino in ANOTHER.
Yukino's problems are really romantically linked so Yui and 8man can help her, together.

Josiah Morris
Josiah Morris

Blame Watari. We could have had a conclusion months ago, but nope, we get harem instead. No one asked for ANOTHER.

Leo Ross
Leo Ross

That's not the same thing as saying Yui really understands Yukino's pathos though. She knows she can pressure her, but she doesn't know just how fundamentally unhealthy it is for Yukino and her life's direction for her to be so indecisive about what she wants.

Jose Smith
Jose Smith

It's better than the same old Iroha memes and the same old pictures of girls holding pregnancy tests.

When it gets to the level of abject shitposting then it will be time to spam memes to end it.

Robert James
Robert James

Yui very well knows Yukino has trouble turning Yui down. That has been made very clear in the series.
Yeah but Yui didn't ask for Yukino's help. She looked helpless and Yukino stepped up for her to assist her and tell Haruno to fuck herself.

Big difference.

This. Yukino basically says she will cover her flaws, not solve them herself. Yui has no way of knowing that.

Cooper Gutierrez
Cooper Gutierrez

Why are you ignoring that he actually has feelings for her in ANOTHER?
I'm not. I'm simply telling you that the relationship Hachiman and Yui have is not one where they know each other. It's also something they will never have.

Christopher Baker
Christopher Baker

why's stating the obvious?

Justin Robinson
Justin Robinson

Yeah but Yui didn't ask for Yukino's help. She looked helpless and Yukino stepped up for her to assist her and tell Haruno to fuck
herself.

That's only in the final moment of ANOTHER. I'm talking about the series as a whole.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

So is it confirmed for sure that volume 12 is the end? If that's true will the anime likely go the movie route if they adapt the final volume? Will Feel still do the movie if this happens?

Evan Adams
Evan Adams

Searching "yahari seishun machigatteiru -rape -netorare -mind"
-translated yield 65 while english yield 27
Oh wait, that also count non-h
16/48 if only doujin count

David Green
David Green

not one where they know each other.
They know eachother plenty and seem like they will get closer by the end. 8man himself tells Yui they will have more dates. There is no reason to think they won't grow. It may not be the exact genuine he wanted but it isn't bad. Her feelings for him are genuine.

I'm talking about the series as a whole.
Yeah but Yui didn't take advantage of Yukino with emotional appeal in this one particular instance. You can argue she unknowingly took advantage of Yukino's problems.

Jack Gomez
Jack Gomez

I don't know that it's confirmed 100%. WW said in vol 6's afterward that the series was halfway through. Since we've gotten one ending to the series, it is highly likely the real ending is coming up very soon.

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

Wut?

William Wood
William Wood

Yeah but Yui didn't take advantage of Yukino with emotional appeal in this one particular instance.
She didn't have to. ANOTHER's infirmary scene did the same thing to Yukino as it did to Yui in the main series. It made Yukino aware that Hachiman and Yui have feelings for one another, so she backed off.

Connor Ross
Connor Ross

Have you embraced the inevitable ending to this story yet?

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

What did I know about Yukino Yukinoshita? She was easily coerced by Yuigahama, that she liked cats, that she spent her weekends watching cat videos while hugging a Pan-san plushie.
spent her weekends watching cat videos
I.. I..

John Johnson
John Johnson

If ANOTHER continued Yukino would
a) go into doll mode
b) WA2
c) Yui and 8man will realize they need to help her and do so

I don't remember that. All I noticed was she figured that Yui and 8man had a bond and seemed satisfied by it. When it dawned on her she didn't seem like she liked it for a split second.

Blake Myers
Blake Myers

So Yui really didn't do anything wrong. Are you trying to say Yui would use Yukino if she didn't give her the assist?

Lincoln Wilson
Lincoln Wilson

There's a fourth possibility. She manages on her own to overcome her issues in the years ahead, but is left permanently scarred by it. It's the "Sensei end".

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

Anyone watch DS2? What if Yukino went Hibiki on Haruno?

Josiah Allen
Josiah Allen

Actually there's yet another possibility which Sensei alludes to in vol 9: someone else could cross the line for Yukino and help her.

I think those two along with perma-doll mode are the three most likely outcomes of ANOTHER:

1) Perma-doll
2) Yukino manages through all sorts of family drama to overcome her issues but is left broken and filled with regrets ala Sensei.
3) In the future, she meets someone else who helps her.

Yui and Hachiman will never do it and I don't think WA2 end was something WW was trying to hint at. I'm guessing no matter what she drifts apart from Yui/Hachiman over time.

Alexander Campbell
Alexander Campbell

I'm not saying Yui would use Yukino that late in the game. Technically, Yui's first request was to help her make cookies so she could give them to Hachiman. Yukino fulfilled that request in ANOTHER. That's why both of their recipes reference back to the first day in the Service Club.

What I'm saying is that Yui has emotionally manipulated Yukino into doing things she didn't want to do several times throughout the series. Also, Yui's primary goal has always been to get Hachiman. In the last stretch of ANOTHER Yui didn't need to emotionally manipulate Yukino, because Yukino is fully convinced Yui is her friend and she would swallow her feelings for said friendship. However, whether Yui is going to be willing to stay friends with Yukino in the main series in the case that Hachiman chooses Yukino, I wouldn't be too certain of that.

Nathaniel Wilson
Nathaniel Wilson

I'm guessing no matter what she drifts apart from Yui/Hachiman over time.
And so will Hachiman and Yui. That's not a relationship that is built to last.

Ryan Perry
Ryan Perry

However, whether Yui is going to be willing to stay friends with Yukino in the main series in the case that Hachiman chooses Yukino, I wouldn't be too certain of that.
I will choose to believe Yui will be okay with it in the end. 8man himself wants this and thinks they are great friends.

Nathaniel Lee
Nathaniel Lee

What I'm saying is that Yui has emotionally manipulated Yukino into doing things she didn't want to do several times throughout the series
What is friend

Zachary Taylor
Zachary Taylor

Yui and Hachiman will never do it
They might notice she is not okay. 8man can smell a fake smile on her.

she drifts apart from Yui/Hachiman over time.
I don't see why. She likes their company.

Connor Smith
Connor Smith

I don't see why. She likes their company.
Because it's not genuine. And furthermore volume R exposed that it's extremely unhealthy in ANOTHER, particularly Yukino/Yui.

A friendship that requires you to swallow your feelings and pretend to be something you're not is not a good friendship to have, no matter what.

Perma-doll Yukino might stay in touch, but you figure probably not because she will only do what her mother or whoever wants her to do. The other two, I really don't see the friendship lasting.

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

Since Yukino decides to swallow her feelings for 8man she is no longer in love with him so that issue is out of the way.

and pretend to be something you're not
Yukino is only going to hide her flaws under the snow but that doesn't mean spring won't come.

Chase Russell
Chase Russell

Even Watari, I mean, Haruno says it's unnatural.

“How about you? Have you made a choice already?” She said not looking away from the package.
“Ah? Oh, I’ve bought the present some time ago.”
The question seemed out of left field, but judging by context she was asking about Yukinoshita’s present. But Haruno-san shook her head no while smiling, then slowly turned to me while looking square in the eye. It’s how snake turns its head while tracking the target.
“Not that. I meant you three,” She clarified and I froze. Her black eyes were clear and bright, but I didn’t see the bottom in them; it’s like they trapped my soul. If I try to learn about her motives, explain the question, I’m going to end up in a state where I won’t be able not to answer. That meant I could only do one thing. I opened my mouth and uttered without a pause:
“Us three? I usually don’t express my opinion in groups. That’s how it was during the summer trip and the school trip too. This looks noble.”
“I like your mannerisms,” Haruno-san replied and smiled charmingly. Tension in the air had disappeared somewhat, but her eyes were still dark, and I knew for sure this wasn’t the end.
“I don’t really care who you choose. But you don’t think it’ll end just like that, do you? It’s unnatural.”

Evan Nelson
Evan Nelson

8man himself wants this and thinks they are great friends.
That is the best evidence that they aren't real friends. 8man is almost never right on these sort of things.

Bentley Perry
Bentley Perry

She doesn't just stop being in love with him instantly when she swallows her feelings. That only means that she's going to hide them. Seeing him a lot won't help make those feelings dissipate, though.

that doesn't mean spring won't come.

Spring comes at the end of vol 11, which takes a completely different trajectory from ANOTHER. Ultimately, if WW intends for us to believe that will happen in ANOTHER, he would have shown us or given us clear indication. You can't think it will. The point of ANOTHER is that it won't.

Jack Rodriguez
Jack Rodriguez

“I don’t really care who you choose.
Then why did she drop him like something old when he went on Yui's route?

But you don’t think it’ll end just like that, do you? It’s unnatural.”
I thought she was referring to their situation as a trio.

Cooper Thomas
Cooper Thomas

Then why did she drop him like something old when he went on Yui's route?
She just wanted him to choose so he'd stop keeping both of them on a leash like that. But you're right, Haruno dropped interest in him the second he chose Yui.

I thought she was referring to their situation as a trio.
It is. If Hachiman chooses one, there's no way that the three of them staying together is natural.

Parker Baker
Parker Baker

She doesn't just stop being in love with him instantly when she swallows her feelings
It is the first step. Seeing Yui and 8man happy together will speed the process up.

he would have shown us or given us clear indication.
WW is anything but clear so maybe there are clues we still haven't found.

You can't think it will. The point of ANOTHER is that it won't.

Without hope it is bleak. As it stands now it seems like ANOTHER is only Yui's good end, 8man's normal end, and Yukino's bad end.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

A friendship that requires you to swallow your feelings and pretend to be something you're not is not a good friendship to have, no matter what.
It is good if it allows one break out from their shell/trying something new or discarding old shell.

Juan Barnes
Juan Barnes

Doesn't happen in another.

Jonathan Wilson
Jonathan Wilson

Seeing Yui and 8man happy together will speed the process up.
Have you ever been in love? I'm not sure that you have. Yukino and her buried, hidden feelings are due for nothing but agony in the coming period if she keeps spending time with Yui and Hachiman.

Without hope it is bleak.
Not necessarily, because Yukino's fate is ambiguous. Just not ambiguous in the way you are thinking/hoping. See there are several ways Yukino can get better that don't involve either Yui or Hachiman and which are directly alluded to in previous volumes.

Easton Perry
Easton Perry

She just wanted him to choose so he'd stop keeping both of them on a leash like that
How is he keeping them on a leash? He hasn't really led them on, he just hasn't given them feedback. They are the ones who are hesitating.

Haruno dropped interest in him the second he chose Yui.
I thought she liked 8man herself.

If Hachiman chooses one, there's no way that the three of them staying together is natural.
It happened in ANOTHER though. They are still together. Yui and Yukino's friendship is strong in ANOTHER and maybe Yukino is emotionally mature enough not to stop being someone's friend just because they are with 8man. It isn't as if 8man rejected Yukino in favor of Yui.

Nicholas Walker
Nicholas Walker

That's the reason why 8man bought her those yellow lens glare reducing glasses

Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

:)

Luis Williams
Luis Williams

How is he keeping them on a leash?

“Not good at deception……”
Those were the words that Komachi had used to describe me, but the me of today could not readily accept that with conviction. I would never try and get close to others, but, neither would I take the initiative to distance myself from others. I was aware of what I was doing, drawing a clear line, plainly covering it up, trying harder than usual to dull it, not dwelling on it, playing the role of the observer to the extreme. I had always known that I was placing myself in an unfair position. In order to not confront it, to not acknowledge the discomfort and unease that had always been bugging me, I had chosen to keep my distance. I was more than aware of it, that I did this so that I would not make any blunder. I know that there is only one answer and that this was not it. Even so, I still wanted to suppress them. That is why, this was probably why that person could see through my intentions. Once more, a voice from within tormented me. Are you really such a person, Hikigaya Hachiman? Is this really what you wish for, you bastard? Stupid noisy fellow. Don’t just go running your mouth and shut the hell up when you don’t know anything about me. In the end, from then on, I lapsed into silence.

I thought she liked 8man herself.
Think again.

It happened in ANOTHER though. They are still together. Yui and Yukino's friendship is strong in ANOTHER
It's unnatural. I kind of feel like you don't understand this series.

Nolan Lopez
Nolan Lopez

No, such a friendship is never a good thing, even in your case. And in ANOTHER, she does not by any means break her shell, try something new, or discard a shell. In fact she adds even more layers of snow to it.

She is no better off at the end of ANOTHER than she was on the day Hachiman came in the door. In fact, it's even worse because she's just as much of an indecisive coward and now she has an unhealthy friendship with Yui who hurts her and doesn't even realize she's doing so because she doesn't truly understand Yukino.

Dominic Bennett
Dominic Bennett

Have you ever been in love?
Nope. I have never had a crush either.

Yukino and her buried, hidden feelings are due for nothing but agony
She is the one who chose that fate. It shouldn't hurt since she knows what to expect.

if she keeps spending time with Yui and Hachiman.
Well, is it does actually hurt bad then she will run away from them sooner than anticipated. We know she runs from emotions.

because Yukino's fate is ambiguous.
With this uncertainty we have to look for signs. I am just holding out for positive signs. The sign we have been given so far isn't pretty.

there are several ways Yukino can get better that don't involve either Yui or Hachiman and which are directly alluded to in previous volumes.
We that is good if it happens. I am just saying it might be Yukino's bad end for 8man's story.

Ethan Scott
Ethan Scott

, it's even worse because she's just as much of an indecisive coward and now she has an unhealthy friendship with Yui
I would argue that having a buried crush on someone who is just a few feet away from you also makes things worse than when she started. When she was truly alone she didn't have people to make her happy but she also didn't have people who could hurt her.

Gavin Baker
Gavin Baker

I agree it's a 'bad end' for Yukino overall. How bad is unknown. WW isn't going to write a truly soul crushing outcome for any girl. Even Yui in vol 12 I suspect will get hurt and rejected but won't go all pic related over it.

But the path to Yukino getting better in ANOTHER doesn't run through Yui/Hachiman. I feel pretty sure about that.

Dylan Wilson
Dylan Wilson

It's unnatural.
Only if deep down they value being with 8man more than eachother. 8man doesn't seem to think they are those sort of girls.

that quote
I get what you mean. Still though, they can cut the leash themselves or they can take a step towards him.

Gabriel Richardson
Gabriel Richardson

And the plot just have to make them bump into spring

What else friendship based off? f you stay like this, that is like Haruno shitting up on them 3. You aren't saving those shut-in if you can't drag them.
They need friendship, not paid profesional emotional support/psycholog/motivator

Christian Carter
Christian Carter

Even Yui in vol 12 I suspect will get hurt and rejected but won't go all pic related over it.
Naw, I think Yui will cry but have some sort of beautiful moment but fuck off from 8man's life hurting him.

But the path to Yukino getting better in ANOTHER doesn't run through Yui/Hachiman.
Maybe Hayama stops being a cuck and helps her.

Landon Jones
Landon Jones

What else friendship based off?

It's based off of genuine understanding and mutual support. Not on one-sided dependency and suppressing your feelings.

There is simply no indication in ANOTHER that Yui or Hachiman understand Yukino, even really care about understanding Yukino, and have any motivation to cross the line for her sake.

She is cast to a third wheel that passively accepts being run over by her friends who don't know they are running her over. It's an awful relationship and mustn't last. And if somehow it did that would be a truly horrible outcome for Yukino.

That doesn't mean she won't make real friends in the future, though. But these didn't cut it.

Sebastian King
Sebastian King

Yes, yes, yes, no. Finally we have a common points but for the last one, I want to see them be saved without changing their character (refer to 8man monologue in season 1 about 'holding your feet on ground' is not running away, while changing yourself is. Drastically changing up their way of thought will leave reader with 3 more emotionless haruno clones

Nathaniel Nguyen
Nathaniel Nguyen

8man is wrong in the beginning. His character does need to be changed. And it does change throughout the series.

I don't see how we are headed to Haruno clones. Haruno became who she is through a very different set of circumstances. You could say if Hachiman allowed Yukino to depend on him and be in doll mode following him, his final state might be like Haruno. Since Haruno in vol 10 third memorandum suggests that's the root of what made her who she is.

Xavier Jackson
Xavier Jackson

Since Haruno in vol 10 third memorandum suggests that's the root of what made her who she is.
Hold on. Are you implying that Yukino relying on Haruno is what made Haruno who she is? Because that's wrong. The thing that has made Haruno what she is today is the expectations her family and society has of her.

Asher Allen
Asher Allen

that's the root of what made her who she is.
God, it's Saori episode all over again. I wonder how Haruno generation of 8man act like

Jacob Murphy
Jacob Murphy

Well, I guess it comes down to "who she is". Third memorandum explains why she has the outlook on life that she has and it helps explain her near-obsession with trying to fix Yukino.

She also has that facade that gets mentioned a few times. That is based on her family and social pressures. But the ugly core underneath is due in large part to her history with her sister.

Every time I had that feeling, there were sudden echoes.
I’m being relied on. I’m being relied on.
Lending my ears to those words that I thought to be the sweet whispers of a devil brought my gradual transformation into a monster of reliance.
It’s when you came to realize your own evil that you become desperate to suppress it. In masking it away, others saw it as the truth, and eventually, it became something natural to you that it turned into the truth itself.
I was thrown into an endless loop of doubt as to whether if that’s really all. I could no longer make the distinction on my own.
That’s why, perhaps, I had been waiting for that person who could surely see right through me.

"Monster of reliance" is what Haruno is. Yukino has played a major role in that.

Aaron Williams
Aaron Williams

"Monster of reliance" is what Haruno is. Yukino has played a major role in that.

Literally how, when Haruno herself says Yukino has never asked her for help. Yes, Yukino has followed in Haruno's shadow, but I don't think Haruno and Yukino have that type of relationship where Haruno helped her out with, well, anything. Certainly not when they were younger.

Jace Rogers
Jace Rogers

It’s when you came to realize your own evil that you become desperate to suppress it. In masking it away, others saw it as the truth, and eventually, it became something natural to you that it turned into the truth itself.
Why does it hurts here.
That’s why, perhaps, I had been waiting for that person who could surely see right through me.
So, Haruno already hit bad end before?

Austin Hill
Austin Hill

Yukino never asked her because Yukino never had to ask. It was just understood. That's Yukino's thing. She silently projects expectations and then holds people to them. She does this several times with Hachiman early on and even with Yui which (partially) leads to drama and culminates in the genuine scene.

After that she finally expresses herself to Hachiman:
Help me, someday
That was more than Haruno or Hayama or anyone in the past ever got from her. Yukino did not ask anything of anyone, but the reliance and dependency was still there.

Owen Martin
Owen Martin

So Haruno is the way she is because of Yukino and not because her parents literally mapped out her entire life for her?

“So does that mean you’re a university student, Haruno-san?”
“Yep. I go to a nearby national university for sciences and technology.”
“Wow… So smart… That’s Yukinon’s onee-san for you.”
“I really wanted to go somewhere better, but my parents told me otherwise, see.”
While Yuigahama looked surprise out of admiration, Haruno-san wore a slightly, complicated smile. Indeed. If you were going to assume a position in a local corporate, going to a local university seems to be the right fit.

Leo Scott
Leo Scott

why's there no goddam good doujins of Iroha on panda?

Eli Perez
Eli Perez

I don't think it's just one thing. But Yukino is a major part of it.

There is a deeply unhealthy side to Haruno that is obsessed with her sister. There's a reason for that beyond just "Helping my cute sister whom I love". They have both been scarred by their past with each other.

Wyatt Morgan
Wyatt Morgan

They haven't been scanned yet

Isaac Torres
Isaac Torres

That's Yukino's thing. She silently projects expectations and then holds people to them.
That's not true. If you're referring to the "I thought we both hated superficiality" then you have to realize that was Yukino's final logical attempt to stop Hachiman from hurting himself after trying all sorts of other things first.

even with Yui
No. Yukino has never projected any type of expectations on Yui. Come now.

Hayama or anyone in the past ever got from her
Yukino has asked Hayato for help, he simply didn't do anything.

Carson Gray
Carson Gray

No worries, she's also a "user"

Ian Rodriguez
Ian Rodriguez

Yukino will drop 8man once a tall, arm Pan-san comes into her life.

Yui is aware Yukino likes 8man so it really isn't hidden.

Gabriel Bailey
Gabriel Bailey

that last episode was a little confusing for me, so Yui wanted to know how they all feel, but still wanted them to be together, she said it was a request too, and yukino likes 8man just like yui, but would also like things to stay like they are since one of them confessing would end the club, but 8man thinks its just a big convenient lie and wants her to be herself?

AND THEN THERES THAT FUCKING REQUEST CLIFFHANGER

did I get it right-ish?

Jose Reyes
Jose Reyes

best girl for you sure, but not for 8-man

Noah King
Noah King

Yukino's feelings for 8man are just the tip of the iceberg. There is a vast sea of personal problems that Yui has no knowledge of. To Yui, it was just two girls going for a boy and one had to win. She did not realize how bad it was for Yukino.

Nathan Wilson
Nathan Wilson

Kind of. Yui is aware that Yukino has feelings for him as well. If all three of them express their feelings, then there's no way that they can stay together as they are. Yui is essentially making Yukino choose between staying together as a group or her feelings for Hachiman.

Jordan Thompson
Jordan Thompson

oh, I forgot to ask, how faithful is the anime to the LN? up to what volume does season 2 go?

Zachary Green
Zachary Green

Does an awakened Yukino have mercy?

Luis Peterson
Luis Peterson

Nope. Not if the un-genuine girl is standing in the way of the rotten eyed Pan-san Yukino desires.

Connor Long
Connor Long

Yui knows how bad it would feel if she didn't get him so she should know it isn't sunshine and gumdrops. Is she willing to do that to Yukino in order to get 8man and prevent it happening to her?

Carter Baker
Carter Baker

this show gives me vibes of kimagure orange road very hard.

the love triangle is similar with yui being a bit like hikaru and ayukawa and kyosuke being a bit more alike as are yukino and 8man.

it's even a bit whimsical in a nihilistic sense. i honestly like both characters and applaud yui's spunk even if i'm a sucker for the yukino tsun.

enjoyed this anime so far.

Leo Taylor
Leo Taylor

I really want there to be an all out Yui/Yukino war for Hachiman in vol 12. The entertainment value would be immense.

But there's not going to happen. My guess is whatever Yukino's request, Hachiman is going to say something to Yui afterwards that will give her hope to push on to the end (which won't be a lie on his part, because I don't think he's decided on Yukino right now by any means even though it's inevitable that he'll choose her). This will prolong Yui's agony until near the end, her ship taking on more and more water, until finally a solid hit to starboard side sinks it once and for all.

Parker Price
Parker Price

I think there's a chance Yui might leave early on and the rest of it becomes Hachiman and Yukino confronting Yukino's family, with Yukino doing most of the work.

Gavin Murphy
Gavin Murphy

I thought about an early Yui exit. If it's the last volume, he doesn't have to care about appeasing Yuifags.

But I think she'll stay on to the end or near to the end anyway. My guess is that unless Yukino's request directly applies to only Hachiman and is romance related, she will stay invested in helping Yukino no matter what and then duck out after that is over.

Blake Barnes
Blake Barnes

No, as soon as one girl confesses the other will also. Hachiman will torpedo one or both. Likely Yui gets it below the waterline

Aaron Edwards
Aaron Edwards

The question is how will they confess? I find it unlikely that the girls are going to press him for an answer right there with both of them present. And if they do they likely won't get an answer because I doubt he's settled in his mind right now on that.

Probably this cliffhanger is going to resolve itself with Yukino's request front and center and romance at least partially on the backburner (but at the forefront of everyone's minds). Then the two girls will start making their advances afterwards. I think Yui's moment will come before Yukino but still a good ways into the story. Yukino's might wait until the very end.

William Evans
William Evans

Impossible for one to confess without the other finding out soon after and being pressured to also express feelings long harbored. Good for the story if Hachiman grows to be able to hurt one. More to the point, Yui is going feet first into the metaphorical wood chipper

Hudson Campbell
Hudson Campbell

If one confesses and gets rejected, it doesn't then become necessary for the other to immediately confess.

Alexander Gray
Alexander Gray

Agreed.

Joshua Adams
Joshua Adams

I'm starting to think that Watari's ending for ANOTHER is the final nail in the coffin for Yuifags.

Yui confesses
Hachiman stops searching for the GENUINE
Yukino didn't confess and supported Yui instead but Hachiman knows it
Teacher didn't even talk to Hachiman
Hachiman knows that this relationship will soon be over once he gets fed up with it

Get over it Yuifags. This is basically the author's way of saying that Yui will never win in the canon universe because Hachiman and Yukino are both bind by their desire to find the genuine thing in each other.

Yui will default halfway through Vol 12 because Hachiman and Yukino will have a time alone by themselves again where they will finally confess their feelings for each other - Hachiman would admit that Yui will get hurt (thereby also hurting Yukino) and he will reason out that it's necessary for a person to get hurt to realize what's genuine for them. Next day, Yukino and Hachiman continues the same routine in the club also hinting to Yui that something happened between them. Club ends, Yukino and Hachiman goes home together while holding hands, Yui is in the far distance staring at them as she reads Hachiman's message to her that he and Yukino are now in a relationship. Yui accepts this and default to support them. Rest of Volume 12 is about the group confronting Haruno, ending in a cliffhanger with Haruno asking if what Yukino and Hachiman did to Yui is indeed fair.

Volume 13 will be the final volume, opening with Yukino and Hachiman both telling Haruno that they're fine with it because they found the genuine in each other. Haruno then congratulates Hachiman but it just feeds off Hachiman's guilt for Yui, resulting in him confronting Yui alone and telling her that he's sorry for leading her on. Yukino and Hachiman will go together to a different university away from Yui and co, both on the same field. Ending will be a talk between Hachiman and Sensei discussing if he actually made the right choice.

Owen Adams
Owen Adams

Why don't they share 8man? They don't seem to be possessive girls.

Cameron Collins
Cameron Collins

but Hachiman knows it
He has no fucking clue she likes him in ANOTHER.

Hachiman knows that this relationship will soon be over once he gets fed up with it
Are you high? 8man is quite hopeful about his relationship with Yui.

Yui got an end that was more or less happy. Deal with it.

Angel Nguyen
Angel Nguyen

That would never work.

You would have a couple deeply in love dragging their pet around and showing them with lesser amounts of affection.

I fail to see any arrangement under those conditions that wouldn't result in the group breaking apart.

Jackson Stewart
Jackson Stewart

Not the guy you are responding to.

Yui got an end that was more or less happy.
For her, and for the version of Hachiman that has abandoned genuine, yes. For Yukino, no.

Colton Price
Colton Price

ending in a cliffhanger with Haruno asking if what Yukino and Hachiman did to Yui is indeed fair.
No. Haruno doesn't care about Yui. Haruno wanted them to confront this shit.

Volume 13 will be the final volume
No

opening with Yukino and Hachiman both telling Haruno that they're fine with it because they found the genuine in each other. Haruno then congratulates Hachiman but it just feeds off Hachiman's guilt for Yui
No

resulting in him confronting Yui alone and telling her that he's sorry for leading her on. Yukino and Hachiman will go together to a different university away from Yui and co, both on the same field.
No. Just like how Yukino didn't matter in the entirety of ANOTHER, Yui isn't going to matter in Volume 12. Volume 12 is full on Yukino route. You're placing way too much of an emphasis on Yui's importance for the final stretch of the series. Yui's final arc was in Volume 11.

Nathan Cook
Nathan Cook

It isn't that bad. All she does is put on the cuck hat and sends herself to the corner. We don't know if this is actually a bad end for her.

Jordan Morgan
Jordan Morgan

Yui is another wall Yukino has to climb. As much as Yui supports Yukino in some instances Yui is not prepared to hand over Hikki just yet. This is a small part of the story but it still exists.

Michael Clark
Michael Clark

Pt 2

Volume 12 will be released in July/August, depending when will Watari stop to get involved with his anime projects. Notice that seasons are an overarching theme in OreGairu; Vol 12 will get released in Fall because it's where Yui would lose to Yukino causing her to eventually distance herself away from them after Hachiman and Yukino confronts her. Hachiman and Yukino would both acknowledge that they hurt Yui but this is necessary in order for them to actually the genuine relationship that they want. Volume 13 will be released in November/December, with Hachiman saying something about how he found the genuine thing in a cold place.

The talk between Sensei and Hachiman would end with Haruno arriving and Sensei congratulating Hachiman for finally being true to himself and her saying to Haruno to be stronger than Hachiman. Volume 13 then ends with a time skip and both Hachiman and Yukino are off to their university lives musing about the past.

Kayden Kelly
Kayden Kelly

Yui is another wall Yukino has to climb

Sure, but I don't think the focus will be on Yui, like at all.

Dylan Allen
Dylan Allen

As the other guy said, you are putting too much emphasis on Yui, other people thinking and talking about Yui, feeling guilty about Yui, etc. Although I don't think Yui will be a nonfactor in vol 12, she will not be at the forefront.

Also you are not emphasizing enough Yukino's family issues (such as her mom) and her future plans. That's what is going to be really front and center in vol 12. The romance will be an impetus and developing alongside that.

Julian Carter
Julian Carter

He has no fucking clue she likes him in ANOTHER.
Are you high? 8man is quite hopeful about his relationship with Yui.
Yui got an end that was more or less happy. Deal with it.

user, I don't think your reading comprehension is good enough. I'm saying that Yui indeed won in ANOTHER because Watari decided to ignore Yukino route and go on about how Yui made Hachiman realized his true self. This is not the genuine ending and 8man's "hope" about his relationship with Yui will not last because it's not even genuine in the first place.

Yui's feelings for Hachiman will need to get addressed in order for Hachiman and Yukino to finally move on from the ingenuity in their group. It's necessary unless Watari wants to BTFO Yuifags AGAIN.

William Lewis
William Lewis

Yeah she won't be the focus but 8man will have some hurt feelings on his hands. Yui will be dealt with. She will play a part, I don't think she will fade and disappear without something.

Leo Peterson
Leo Peterson

Why the fuck is all the Iroha merch so shit.

Brody Harris
Brody Harris

I seriously doubt there will be two more volumes. And if there are, they won't be released that close together and our agonizing wait will be extended even further.

Now it's possible volume 12 will be a larger volume than normal.

Nathan Russell
Nathan Russell

I don't think Yukino's family issues would be the center of the last volumes. I doubt that Watari would spend 80% of a volume talking about family issues when he could just simply wrap it up by making Yukino and Hachiman confront Haruno and winning her to their side because Haruno is the key factor that would make Yukino's parents let go of her. Maybe Yukino and Hachiman would confront together Yukino's parents and it would be quickly wrapped up in 2 - 3 pages then that's it. The final volume would need to resemble WA2's anime ending in some way or another with the exception of Hachiman musing about genuity.

Nathaniel Martin
Nathaniel Martin

What did they find on 8man's computer?

Oliver Fisher
Oliver Fisher

I kind of want to say something to insult her, but it's too easy, so pass.

James Russell
James Russell

Why do Yuifags keep pushing "Yukino had a good end in ANOTHER"? Even if she didn't get a bad end she didn't get a good one either.

Levi Ramirez
Levi Ramirez

Well it won't just be that. But that will undoubtedly be the main part. You also have to wrap up Iroha, the side characters, Komachi, etc. I think the Yukino family issue won't be handled in one scene. There will be struggle, setbacks, and triumph before it's over.

Although I will admit it's hard to imagine how it happens narrative-wise, because you wouldn't expect Hachiman to be present for all of it. Unless Yukino wins the 8bowl early on and then drags him around for support. That's why I imagined vol 12 will have some extended sections that are not from Hachiman's PoV. Similar to memorandums but more fleshed out.

Nicholas Martin
Nicholas Martin

Yukino's parents and it would be quickly wrapped up in 2 - 3 pages then that's it

So one of the things the entire series has been building up to, especially starting from volume 10, is going to be dealt with in 3 pages. That's highly likely not how it is going to play out. Hachiman and Yukino (and maybe Yui, depending on how soon in the volume she leaves) are going to confront Haruno first. Then they're going to confront Yukino's mother the following day. Maybe Yukino's request is something along the lines of: wait until I solve my family issues, then we'll continue this. That's also possible.

Brody Jones
Brody Jones

At being a slut, yes

Charles Walker
Charles Walker

trap porn

Jason Johnson
Jason Johnson

There will not be immediate rejection, Hachiman will do the couch cricket thing for hours agonizing over answer

Ayden Mitchell
Ayden Mitchell

She can't ask Yui to stop pursuing Hachiman until issues resolved, that's just as BS a ploy as Yui's, trying to control Yui's future. rejected!

Eli Long
Eli Long

Yukinofags: yeah she's going to win, deal with it
Irohafags: she'll probably not win but still, Iroha a best
Yuifags: fuck you faggots, Yui is going to win
Whofags: MIA
Sakifags: trap this, trap that, we love the trap and so does 8man
Harunofags: it's all part of her plan

Did I miss anything?

Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

I disagree, but we'll see. I think the agonizing by 8man, particularly in regards to Yui, is going to happen in the lead up to any confession.

Juan Watson
Juan Watson

I may not care for Iroha, but I can respect them more than the Yuifags and Yukinofags.

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

whofags

is that supposed to be anyone that wasnt listed?

Brody Lewis
Brody Lewis

Don't let Irohafags deceive you into thinking that they don't expect their girl to win.

Sure a certain number of them are that way. But a slippery minority believe in her 'safe tile' strategy and think she's going to win by default in the end. If Iroha fails to win like most expect, they will become very very scarce.

Xavier Miller
Xavier Miller

Yes, Irohafags fully expect Iroha to win.

Alexander Rodriguez
Alexander Rodriguez

To be fair Iroha's only real shot is if the club burns and YY get ugly with eachother leading 8man to run away.

8man would still hurt rejecting Yui.

Angel Torres
Angel Torres

Didn't we just have a thread a couple of days ago with Irohafags proclaiming that she was going to win?

Josiah Reed
Josiah Reed

She wants Hachiman for husband far in the future when he is writer or editor or related, long after the boyfriend/girlfriend oregairu romances play out.

Charles Anderson
Charles Anderson

Basically Irohafags are like the underdogs in a football game. If she wins they'll say "Boom! I fucking called it! Yukino overrated" But if she loses they'll say "Shit we never thought she was going to win anyway so we ain't even mad".

This is how they are.

Owen Watson
Owen Watson

But that's cowardly.

Angel Jenkins
Angel Jenkins

Sounds like a healthy mindset to me, what's the problem?

Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

long after the boyfriend/girlfriend oregairu romances play out

No, that will never happen. If Iroha wins, it will mean every service club tie is broken and she'll be the last girl standing. There's no other way than that. It's not going to skip to the future and he's married to her mysteriously.

Her victory would happen coincident to the rest of the romances playing out. Although it would get resolved at the end, it won't be separated by a "far in the future" length of time.

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

It's deceitful. Irohafags will be in denial about their asspain while hiding behind a lie that they never expected her to win.

If you have been in Oregairu threads for a long time, you know a great deal of Irohafags believe she will win. Don't allow them to claim otherwise when she loses.

Aiden Roberts
Aiden Roberts

It's deceitful

Then it's very much in character with their waifu.

Angel Adams
Angel Adams

True enough I admit.

Connor Stewart
Connor Stewart

Why don't Yui and Yukino just agree not to let 8man get between them and promise not to be completely asshurt if he dates one of them?

In ANOTHER I wonder if Yukino knows Yui knows she likes him.

Carson Ward
Carson Ward

There is nothing wrong with meeting with Iroha sometime in 8man's twenties and hook up with her afterward.

Jackson Butler
Jackson Butler

Iroha will have found some other person by then.

Luke Garcia
Luke Garcia

There's nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying that will never happen. There won't be any long time skip even though some Irohafags fantasize about it.

If she wins, she'll be in a relationship with him in high school because everyone else will be out of it.

Camden Campbell
Camden Campbell

http://g.e-hentai.org/g/622943/a18e7a4481/
I'll just leave this here, perhaps convert a few...

Joshua Torres
Joshua Torres

that is up to WW to decide.

James Cook
James Cook

It would help if the art was decent.

Wyatt Barnes
Wyatt Barnes

but muh author's tweet

Ryan Morales
Ryan Morales

If she wins, she'll be in a relationship with him in high school because everyone else will be out of it.
How could YY wreck their relationship with him so badly he flees into the arms of another girl?

Charles Moore
Charles Moore

Welcome to the year 2016! A lot has changed in three years but one thing hasn't: Sensei being best.

Jordan Garcia
Jordan Garcia

The best guess I can make is that Yui gets rejected, Yukino gets with Hachiman but only for one year because she's going abroad (which could arguably jive with the vol 10 "words of the ancients" foreshadowing), they break up leaving Hachiman devastated and then Iroha swoops in because she'll be nearby.

A one year time skip in that case, unlikely but vastly more conceivable than a future post-college 20something Hachiman just being with Iroha out of the blue.

Austin Ramirez
Austin Ramirez

Senpai~

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

Ehhhhh?!

Cameron Mitchell
Cameron Mitchell

What is happening here?

Michael Myers
Michael Myers

Yui won't be available? She seems like the type that would wait if she had to. Unless Hikki and Yukinon are dead to her.

Brayden Diaz
Brayden Diaz

Ahoge penetration

Jayden Lewis
Jayden Lewis

I think if she gets rejected straight up she will go her own way. One year later she won't be looking back anymore.

To really twist the knife for 8man WW could put Yui with someone else one year later, but he won't do that.

Isaiah Perry
Isaiah Perry

I am hoping she is at least friends with 8man even if he rejects her. It is too sad to think she would just abandon him just because he doesn't love her. Since she loves him shouldn't she want to be with him?

One year later she won't be looking back anymore.
One year before she was looking straight at him.

Luke Mitchell
Luke Mitchell

One year before she was looking straight at him.
Sure, yeah, with hope.

Without hope, she's better off moving on. She's never been on a friendship trajectory with 8man. It's either love or nothing.

Ethan Sanchez
Ethan Sanchez

Why are Yui and Yukino walking away from eachother? Is it implying something?

Carson Lewis
Carson Lewis

Of course Yui will win. She's best girl.

Thomas Davis
Thomas Davis

Are you seriously only noticing this now?

Jason Gonzalez
Jason Gonzalez

8man means so much to her I find it hard to believe she would just drop him.

No, I am just wondering if it implies that Yui and Yukino are going their separate ways. Hopefully 8man isn't the reason for that.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher

8man means so much to her I find it hard to believe she would just drop him.
Are you the same naive user who was earlier saying it would help Yukino get over her pain in ANOTHER if she sees how happy Hachiman is with Yui?

Ian Williams
Ian Williams

No comment.

But still, if you want to be with someone and they make you happy what is wrong with being their friend? I don't see why Yui would drop him.

Brody Sanchez
Brody Sanchez

Because it's painful to her to be with him if she knows she can't have him. Just as she distanced herself early in the series when she thought Yukino/Hachiman was a thing, she would do the same now. She might salvage her friendship with Yukino, but she would definitely keep her distance from Hachiman. For a long while until she's moved on and the feelings aren't there anymore.

It's really that simple. Romantic love by its very nature is to a certain extent jealous and possessive. That's part of it.

Charles Scott
Charles Scott

it would help Yukino get over her pain in ANOTHER if she sees how happy Hachiman is with Yui?
Why wouldn't it? It would drive in that she can't make him happy directly so it would help her stop having feelings for him.

Ryder Cooper
Ryder Cooper

Just as she distanced herself early in the series when she thought Yukino/Hachiman was a thing
That was mostly because 8man told her to fuck off.

Because it's painful to her to be with him if she knows she can't have him.
Yeah but they can foster some other sort of relationship. Love isn't the most important thing and she isn't that thirsty for Hikki that she would blow two of her most important relationships up out of hurt. A simple no from 8man isn't the end of the world.

Romantic love by its very nature is to a certain extent jealous and possessive
Yui hasn't shown those traits though.

Landon Cruz
Landon Cruz

Disappointed that there are no Iroha doujins translated.

Ethan Torres
Ethan Torres

what about ntype

Alexander Morris
Alexander Morris

That was mostly because 8man told her to fuck off.

And what did that tell you? Hachiman indirectly rejects her and she leaves. She didn't hang around to be platonic buddies with him. Finally she is coaxed into coming back to the clubroom very reluctantly and only decides to stick around after she sees that she still has a chance.

Yui is in it for the 8inch and that's all.

Hunter Young
Hunter Young

kek

Julian James
Julian James

How much has changed, enlighten me.

Adrian Fisher
Adrian Fisher

Let me elaborate, I want h-doujins.

Anthony Sullivan
Anthony Sullivan

"Fuck off" is different than "I don't feel the same way about you that you feel about me"

She didn't hang around to be platonic buddies with him.
She has fallen deeper in love with him since so she may stick around since her feelings are stronger.

Yui is in it for the 8inch and that's all.
I doubt it. Yui is hot, popular, and easy to approach. If she wanted romance guys would line up for her.

Andrew Rivera
Andrew Rivera

Well, season two dropped last year and it was mediocre, WW put a new girl in the race and she's set to win.

Lincoln Perez
Lincoln Perez

He didn't tell her to "fuck off". He told her rather harshly that her kindness and the concern and affection she had shown him was misplaced and misguided. This amounted to an indirect rejection to her.

Thus in vol 3 she tells Hachiman:
“Even if it’s not the right way to start doing things, even if you can’t follow through – as long as it’s not a lie or fake, it’s not wrong to be moved by feelings of love… I think, yeah.”

she may stick around since her feelings are stronger.
As her feelings are stronger, the pain would be even greater at rejection. She is less likely to stick around now.

If she wanted romance guys would line up for her.
She doesn't just want romance. She wants romance with 8man specifically.

Chase Long
Chase Long

sensei is still best girl though right?

Jaxson Moore
Jaxson Moore

I just want everybody to be hurt. Is it so wrong?

Brody Gray
Brody Gray

this could easily be mistaken for araragi and phoenix

Kayden Cruz
Kayden Cruz

yes, Iroha already got hurt once. She needs happiness now, which by winning the 8bowl.

YY should go full lesbian for all I care.

Michael Edwards
Michael Edwards

Iroha "I like to hang out with easygoing boys" Isshiki gets plenty of happiness already.

Liam Flores
Liam Flores

...well, like your sister?

Leo Davis
Leo Davis

I guess it is wishful thinking to think Yui would stay in 8man's life if she wasn't his girlfriend or could potentially become his girlfriend.

As her feelings are stronger, the pain would be even greater at rejection. She is less likely to stick around now.
Yukino stuck around in ANOTHER as far as we know. From what I understand we don't see her again after her recipe.

Ryder Howard
Ryder Howard

Are you trying to compare Iroha to my sister at that age? Believe me, that's not a comparison you want to make for Iroha's sake.

Wyatt Cook
Wyatt Cook

Is that why you like to project slutiness onto Iroha?

Lucas Russell
Lucas Russell

I probably would project it if there was a reason to. She is slutty enough on her own already.

Lincoln Flores
Lincoln Flores

Why do people insist Yui is a nice girl and that she is in it for things other than 8man? Time and time again she has proven what she is.

Brody Powell
Brody Powell

because all 3d sisters (like mine) like hanging around with easygoing boys. Be glad that I didn't say "your mom".

Anthony Gray
Anthony Gray

Now where is that pic with the cunt saying the same thing to 8man?
It's like they're meant for each other.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

Yui and Hayama meant for each other

Ayden Hall
Ayden Hall

Poor Miura, she's just not going to get it, is she?

Hayama likes Yui
Miura likes Hayama
Yui likes 8man
Tobe likes Ebina
Ebina would only tolerate 8man

Life's a bitch huh.

Carter Evans
Carter Evans

Hayama likes Yui
would laugh my ass off if they ended up together.

yuifags would be so butthurt.

John Torres
John Torres

It would be poetic irony after years of Yuifags trying in vain to ship Yukino/Hayama.

But it ain't happening.

Joseph Perry
Joseph Perry

It's not really that they're meant for each other, it's just that they share a common lifestyle in that they both play whatever role is needed from society in order to more easily get through life.

David Kelly
David Kelly

Well, she's going to get 'it', it's just not Hayama that she's going to get

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

She deserves genuine love

Jack Carter
Jack Carter

Yuifags trying in vain to ship Yukino/Hayama.
Remember how they kept saying Yukino would get with Hayama in ANOTHER? ANOTHER proves quite well that Yukino likes 8man.

Adam Campbell
Adam Campbell

would laugh my ass off if they ended up together.
I would too.
They're already butthurt over how things usually go for them in the novel and the anime.

Matthew Wilson
Matthew Wilson

guys the show ended like a year ago. let it go

Cameron Reed
Cameron Reed

What are they going to name the baby?

Christian Green
Christian Green

Tfw dropped the series because of my seething hatred of Yukino

"Genuine" my ass, you don't want 8man as a friend, you want a guy you can push around and have him do stuff for you.

Xavier Thomas
Xavier Thomas

You mean Iroha, right?

Logan Barnes
Logan Barnes

Yukino
you want a guy you can push around and have him do stuff for you.

What are you talking about? You name Yukino but then describe Iroha to a T.

James Lopez
James Lopez

Rumi

Elijah Taylor
Elijah Taylor

Runs off when he asks for a friend
Never apologizes
Next time they meet, she tells him to always be there for her

Yeah, no

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

Runs off
Are you talking about the genuine scene? You do realize she accepted his request for something genuine? And that she has mentioned it on her own twice since?

she tells him to always be there for her
Now you're just being dumb.

Leo Moore
Leo Moore

Now you're just being dumb

Literally says it in the show, even if you pretend she didn't, in the very next episode.

Aaron Lewis
Aaron Lewis

She says "help me, someday". That's not what you are claiming she says. Which, by the way, does not bother Hachiman since it's exactly what he wants from her to begin with. He wants to understand her.

Since you are so woefully lacking in knowledge even on the episodes you supposedly watched, maybe you should fuck off and either stay away or rewatch the series so you know what you're talking about next time.

Evan Sanders
Evan Sanders

perfect proportions for a petite woman's build, so superior to the "udder & saddlebag" look of Yui

Luke King
Luke King

Yukino has been looking too happy in official art recently. Maybe something is on the horizon for her.

Isaiah Smith
Isaiah Smith

S1 8man
Since everything he said back then was pretty much wrong I guess you're saying he is getting with one of those three after all.

Logan Clark
Logan Clark

Daily reminder that S2 ruined Yahari. I think I'll just stick with the manga and light novel, thank you very much.

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

S2 is entirely faithful to the Light Novel

Benjamin Powell
Benjamin Powell

Yui supplies the MAX COFFEE as is her right as 8man's girlfriend.

Lucas Morales
Lucas Morales

Translation please?

Bentley Bennett
Bentley Bennett

Sorry user, fan art doesn't count.

This however is canon.

Anthony Taylor
Anthony Taylor

You mean Bat.

Isaac Bell
Isaac Bell

The best's and yes...8man only want protet Tosukas smile.

Easton Edwards
Easton Edwards

and slam that boipussi

Alexander Brown
Alexander Brown

The things I'd do to her..

Zachary Rivera
Zachary Rivera

Iroha!
Would suck that cute dick of

Nathaniel Gray
Nathaniel Gray

Smart?

Kayden Butler
Kayden Butler

We all know Yui is a dumb bitch, user.

Cooper Sanders
Cooper Sanders

What would Yukino have done if 8man kissed her here?

Gavin Russell
Gavin Russell

So does that make her his girlfriend since she is supplying the MAX COFFEE?

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

Ignore him for a few days, then probably discuss what happened one word per hour at a time.

Jaxon Murphy
Jaxon Murphy

ran away in panic, later chapters reappear being hand in hand all lovey-dovey with Hayama the childhood friend.

Isaiah White
Isaiah White

Just finished watching this series. This is so good.

Landon Stewart
Landon Stewart

Is this the part where I shitpost about how you should read the light novel?

Joshua Perry
Joshua Perry

For what it's worth, I enjoyed the subtlety in the series. It's more heavily dependent on unsaid words and spontaneous reactions than most of the recent series I've seen.

As an observer trying to be unbiased, however, much as I like Yui, I can see that Hachiman's most logical end would be with Yukino. Yui's more often with Hachiman, but he never had that staredown Hachi did with Yukino. If I also recalled correctly, he prioritized Yukino with regard to the people he'd call 'friend.' IIRC he was rejected by Yukino twice without him saying anything.

I'm going to be sad when it all will fall apart for Yui, but Hachi's only been really moved by Yukino and Iroha. You can be a beautiful lady, but if the guy doesn't have you in his heart it'll always be tough going.

I'm not sure how they're going to resolve their final three requests, though. I'd love to see it.

Elijah Bennett
Elijah Bennett

Fucking secondaries

Luke Taylor
Luke Taylor

but Hachi's only been really moved by Yukino and Iroha
Holy fucking shit, you're actually right now that I really think about it. I'd still argue that Yui has a much higher chance than Yukinon since Yukinon never really talks about her "feelings" from what I've seen.

I still think Iroha is the best option for him though.

Robert Ross
Robert Ross

Not Komachi's incest folder
lel

Jace Gonzalez
Jace Gonzalez

I also like Iroha, but she's still partial toward Hayato, although one could definitely see that she's fallen for Hachi through just the fact that her 'rejections' of Hachi have become a lot tamer than at the beginning of their interaction. She was even the catalyst of the climacteric the series ended on.

Lucas Ross
Lucas Ross

I want to agree with you, but I'm just not 100% sure. I feel that she has some sort of feelings for him, but I'm not entirely sure if they're real or not.

I'm just saying that Iroha would be the best for him because I think they would work well together. And more importantly, I don't think she would ever upset him in any way, where as I feel that Yui or Yukinon would totally back stab him. That's not to say that Iroha wouldn't either though, I just feel like there'd be less of a chance.

Nathaniel Gray
Nathaniel Gray

I'm also not certain. I'm not a betting man, but I'd bet they were real. Hachi's been a real gentleman toward her. In fact, you could even argue that she only shows her true self with him. She was mentioned to be a popular girl, but when she was rejected she relied on only Hachi. Her chocolates couldn't have been planned: of course, while she still aimed for Hayato to taste her chocolates, it was quite telling that she gave the first taste to Hachi.

All these are only actions, however, and we still have to know more about her to really tell, but I think it's quite undeniable that it's already affection.

In short, I think they're real, but they're nowhere near the catharsis that Yukino and Yui have with their own emotions. One could argue that Yukino still remains distant, but change takes a lot of time - especially when one's dealing with fucked up people like them. The fact that Yukino asked for Hachi to save her was a lot more significant than a lot of people think.

Nolan Allen
Nolan Allen

READ

THE

FUCKING

LIGHT NOVELS

YOU SHITTY TRIPFAG

Elijah Hernandez
Elijah Hernandez

Translation?

Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

Yeah, holy shit you have no idea what you're talking about. Just stop.

Jason Hill
Jason Hill

I'm talking about the anime series because this is Sup Forums. Unless my perspectives are grossly mistaken, I think I have free rein to share my opinions from what I've seen.

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

Unless my perspectives are grossly mistak
There you go.

Caleb Garcia
Caleb Garcia

I'll probably stick to my guns and re-watch the series. I don't think I'm grossly mistaken with anything, though. This anime, to me, seems more deliberate than a lot of its counterparts.

Cooper Rodriguez
Cooper Rodriguez

This was pretty funny. Thanks

Jonathan Green
Jonathan Green

8man should confess to Yukino in a Pan-san suit as a joke.

Hudson Green
Hudson Green

Nah, I don't think he'd do it as a joke, either he will do it for real, or he won't do it at all.

Tyler Butler
Tyler Butler

Yes on equal tier to Saika and Meguri.

Zachary Scott
Zachary Scott

Translation please?

Zachary Taylor
Zachary Taylor

Why do Irohafags and Yuifags ship HayamaxYukino so much?

Nicholas Kelly
Nicholas Kelly

The same reason they insist that Yukino's feelings for Hachiman aren't real.

Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

NOT GENUINE
she's slut, whore, harlot and doesn't like 8man

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

But she will take what is hers when she gains the ability and not much will stop her.

Hunter Gonzalez
Hunter Gonzalez

We all know who the best girl but who is the worst girl?

Mason Morales
Mason Morales

Is this picture represent Haruno's view of Yukino?

Oliver Cox
Oliver Cox

No. Haruno loves Yukino and Yukino is probably her most favourite person, otherwise she wouldn't go out of her way to try and re-connect with her/try and keep her from becoming like herself. Haruno's dreams were shattered because of the expectations her family has placed on her.

Brody Hill
Brody Hill

Anyone know what they're saying?

Gavin Hill
Gavin Hill

But surely she has some for her bun haired clubmate.

Ethan Carter
Ethan Carter

Already happened in another, not in the main series.

Asher Cooper
Asher Cooper

"Senpai are you a lolicon after all?"

Yukino is probably her most favourite person, otherwise she wouldn't go out of her way to try and re-connect with her
Haruno's dreams were shattered because of the expectations her family has placed on her.
Sho Minazuki, pls.

Juan Murphy
Juan Murphy

Haruno wouldn't care about 8man if not for her sister genuine love of him, so not doesn't represents at all

Wyatt Jackson
Wyatt Jackson

yeah, I can see like what you comment when she rely on 8man, hayato too much in vol 8. Your conclusion is good, I can see it clearly.

good plot but would never happen.

Brandon Gomez
Brandon Gomez

She seems interested in reasons outside of Yukino's interest in him.

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

That's where you're wrong, because she drops him like a hot brick as soon as he doesn't pick Yukino.

This is the origin of Haruno's interest in Hachiman.

“Oh, that reminds me. Hikigaya‐kun. Wanna go out for tea with me if you’re free? I have to make sure you’re good enough to be Yukino‐chan’s boyfriend.” Harunosan threw out her chest and winked lightly in my direction.

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

ANOTHER pours some cold water on that. Unless Haruno herself is different in ANOTHER like a bunch of other characters.

Dylan Murphy
Dylan Murphy

It should be noted that the only reason why she would conceivably care about Hachiman is his commitment to 'genuine'. And he backs off that in ANOTHER just as he backs away from Yukino. So Haruno loses both reasons to give a shit about him.

Sebastian Young
Sebastian Young

Haruno's interest in Hachiman existed before genuine was introduced. Her interest in Hachiman existed because he was someone Yukino wanted to be around.

“Oh, that reminds me. Hikigaya‐kun. Wanna go out for tea with me if you’re free? I have to make sure you’re good enough to be Yukino‐chan’s boyfriend.” Harunosan threw out her chest and winked lightly in my direction.
“…how presumptuous. I said he was merely my schoolmate.” A harsh and severe voice like a North Pole blizzard cut in. It was the sound of a deeply felt reaction, one that was caused by Haruno‐san’s joking tone and everything else about her.
Yukinoshita had unleashed the ultimate rejection. But Haruno‐san brushed it aside this time with a cheeky smile.
“I mean, it’s the first time I’ve seen you go out with someone, Yukino‐chan. Isn’t it natural I’d think he was your boyfriend? I was happy for you.” Haruno‐san let out a strange laugh that sounded like a snicker.
“You’re a teenager, so you may as well have fun! Oh, but you better not be screwing, y’know?”

Andrew Allen
Andrew Allen

That doesn't mean her interest in exclusively for that reason though. Him being around Yukino might have triggered the initial interest, but as she got to know him she could have found him intriguing for other reasons.

I'm not really taking either side. Just pointing out that ANOTHER Haruno isn't the end all be all to the discussion. Haruno herself may be different in that alt-ending and Haruno's disinterest in him happens following a more broad change in Hachiman's character than just "he didn't pick Yukino".

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

Ah but remember Yui describing playing house with kids at her apartment complex, she never got a cool role like mom but instead the dog. This will be her club future too as pet of loving couple

Cooper Watson
Cooper Watson

The only other slut by criteria of confirmed experience with other men is Hiratsuka-sensei, unless we also count dirty degenerate thoughts which nominates Ebina

Luke Long
Luke Long

Well she does come with a collar.

Alexander Green
Alexander Green

I'm fairly certain we have no idea what Hiratsuka's past is like.

Ethan Kelly
Ethan Kelly

She used to date a giggolo. In high school there was someone she liked that she didn't confess to. Back in university, couples would always sit together, while Sensei was setting up the fire. I feel like there have been a couple of other things, but I can't remember them all.

Jayden Williams
Jayden Williams

Truer words have not been spoken.
8man better choose the most GENUINE girl.

Camden Sullivan
Camden Sullivan

her cherry was popped by a faceless old man who was fucking a couple other university girls

Being sensei is suffering.

Carter Long
Carter Long

So going on a Yui route leads Haruno and Sensei to drop him? It isn't as if Yukino gets a bad end because of it.

Josiah Barnes
Josiah Barnes

Both Sensei and Haruno have always been HachiYuki shippers. Sensei never really shows that much concern for Yui, so Hachiman going for Yui and thus not going for the genuine path Sensei has been trying to steer him on, is kind of like betraying Sensei as well.

Chase Butler
Chase Butler

Sensei sees value and usefulness in having Yui around. As she said she had "hopes" for her.

But Yui's not on her "troubled loners I need to help" list.

David Green
David Green

The hopes Sensei has for Yui is to make Hachiman and Yukino's interactions with each other smoother. That's where it ends for her.

Angel Butler
Angel Butler

i need to find the source now

how sweet

how innocent

how exciting

Carter Walker
Carter Walker

In high school there was someone she liked that she didn't confess to.
Is this supposed to be in parallel to 8man's story or Yukino's story? Does she regret it or is it just something that happened?

Yui was a bit of a wild card to begin with. I don't think Haruno took kindly to her existence. Haruno smelled the love triangle right away but I wonder why it didn't occur to Sensei.

Eli Russell
Eli Russell

It's in her character song.

No matter how I wrote it, I couldn’t give the love letter that was hidden in my desk.
If I had given it during that time, I wonder if anything would’ve changed.

I do think it's significant in ANOTHER, given that Yukino is similarly unable to bring out her feelings.

Robert Robinson
Robert Robinson

Fuck if I know, and besides, I doubt that there is any more to it.

Landon Torres
Landon Torres

8man says he would marry Sensei if she was 10 years younger
Yukino is 15 years younger Sensei
NOTGENUINE sluts never ever stood a chance

Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

So you think Yukino needs to confess?

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

Well it's definitely not good for her per the recipe to accept her cowardly side and give up.

I don't think Yukino herself is doomed, but her friendship with Yui/Hachiman probably is.

Samuel Reyes
Samuel Reyes

both "I want something genuine" characters end up together
both "I'm not a nice X like you think I am" end up together
both yukinoshita sisters make peace and start fixing yukino's broken little brain
komachi enrolls in their school and becomes vice-pres

Why can't we have nice endings like the one above? Fuck you Watari.

Jacob Allen
Jacob Allen

give me a break. S2 was not only faithful to the light novels but also was the natural progression of Hikigaya's ideology. His ideologies in S1 were flawed. His approach to handling situations was self sacrificing. He also didn't get to the heart of a problem. Whereas Yukino's strategy was more of "teach a man to fish" Hikigaya's wasn't even "give a fish" but rather convince him that he wasn't hungry. And evidently all that backfired on him in S2. If anything, the way he handled problems in S1 wasn't genuine. Rather it was dodgy. I'm glad this point was expanded in S2. Having S2 like S1 makes the whole story not only repetitive but makes the characters static, without any character development. Sure S2 was different than S1 but that's the point. It by no means ruins the series.

Grayson Ross
Grayson Ross

Why would her friendship with 8man and Yui be doomed? She is the one who chose friendship and as long as she falls out of love with 8man there is no conflict.

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

It's been discussed ad nauseum in the thread already.

Yukino's friendship with Yui in ANOTHER is unhealthy and destructive for Yukino. It's single-sided dependency to a girl (Yui) who doesn't truly understand her friend (Yukino) and that she's hurting her. If the friendship survives, it'll be extremely bad for Yukino. But since it's not genuine, it's not going to.

Ian Long
Ian Long

Yukino chose that path so maybe she values that over what she could have with 8man. Though her memorandum contradicts that.

Nathaniel Baker
Nathaniel Baker

It's not so much that Yukino chose it as that she simply let it happen.

Ian Brooks
Ian Brooks

She went that path because she's an indecisive coward that couldn't go for what she wants. Just like she has been the entire story up until the very end of vol 11.

Joseph Edwards
Joseph Edwards

She actively helped Yui get 8man. She performed an action.

Justin White
Justin White

It was equivalent to every other time in the series she took action to help someone else do something that she wanted to do.

Sagami -> Festival

Iroha -> Student Council (although in this case it was trying to keep Iroha from becoming President, still it was action in the guise of helping Iroha among other reasons)

Yui -> Confessing to Hachiman

Haruno tells Yukino she has no "self". No self = selfless (English wordplay that probably doesn't fit the original Japanese, but it's still appropriate). Yukino is selfless. But that's not normal or right for a human being. People ought to be selfish to an extent and have desires for themselves. Her helping Yui at the end was indicative that she's had no positive growth in ANOTHER. She ends the same as she began. Or even worse because she has bad friends now that can only hurt her more.

Levi Russell
Levi Russell

It was from some korean guy's twitter
He doesn't make any new stuff anymore

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

What if the guy she liked back in high school was 8pops?

Austin Bailey
Austin Bailey

Komachi
Vice-pres
lel

If anything Komachi would succeed Iroha as President once Iroha is a 3rd year

Aiden Clark
Aiden Clark

I think he meant the art style

The plot would reach that regardless since its in the LNs

Carson Jones
Carson Jones

Yes, we know. But the novel isn't going to get to Iroha's 3rd year.

Oliver Cook
Oliver Cook

"Thanks for the present Onii-chan"

Jose Sanchez
Jose Sanchez

Why don't you all just save yourselves the trouble and accept the simple fact that the AU isn't canon.

It's a what if story that changes all of the characters in such a way that events proceed differently than they otherwise would have.

They are different characters. They're similar, but they're not the same. What the true 8man does is not the same as the alternate 8man. It's as simple as that.

Tyler Cooper
Tyler Cooper

Komachi doesn't want kids. If she did all she would have to do is ask. 8man is literally incapable of refusing her.

Austin Scott
Austin Scott

wanting to crush yuifags' only hope
That's mean.

Cooper Stewart
Cooper Stewart

The impression I got from ANOTHER is that in the beginning the only one who was truly different was Yui. Yui right from the get go is aggressively pursuing Hachiman and her actions change the sequence of events from then on. That leads to the other characters changing themselves. Hachiman didn't start out not wanting genuine in ANOTHER. It happened in the course of the story.

So you have to ask if he is different or if ANOTHER's circumstances made him become different. Similarly Yukino's recipe suggests that she's not really all that different from the main story. But events changed, her inner problems never get exposed and she ends up burying them at the end.

Cooper Ward
Cooper Ward

That;s only your impression. All of the characters have been acting out of character since Volume A. Hachiman wakes up one morning, especially after genuine, and all of a sudden he couldn't give less of a fuck about Yukino. That should be enough to tell you something is off about that entire universe.

Robert Robinson
Robert Robinson

If she did all she would have to do is ask
She already did.

James Wright
James Wright

Shame on Komachi. As keeper of the 8 she is abusing her power.

I hope 8mom teacher her to be more responsible.

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

teaches*

Xavier Russell
Xavier Russell

Implying that the 'present' she wanted from 8man was "abusing her power"

Lincoln Scott
Lincoln Scott

The vol A memorandums fit both Yui and Yukino like a glove. We should discount those too?

James Long
James Long

muh memorandums
muh recipes

Be honest here for a second, none of the characters act like themselves in ANOTHER. If this is something you can't see, then you must not have understood any of these characters in the slightest.

Samuel Parker
Samuel Parker

That's Taishi's baby you sicko

Saki will be Hachinan's sister in law in the future

Jordan Lewis
Jordan Lewis

Disregarding actual PoV passages in the story, that tell us literally what the characters are feeling and thinking, because it doesn't fit your incorrect evaluation of ANOTHER
muh garbage

Time for you to fuck off.

Caleb Ross
Caleb Ross

Nah, Taishi hasn't been seen since Komachi announced her pregnancy.

Aiden Green
Aiden Green

What's this nonsense about "bad friends"? A girl going for a guy has every right to be utterly selfish about it and has no obligation whatsoever to give anyone else a shot, not even best friend. That's how the real world rolls, not at all like the rainbow sherbet pooping unicorn world some here imagine. I suggest some of you change your legal name to "Doormat"

Lucas Lopez
Lucas Lopez

Yui doesn't understand Yukino in ANOTHER. She thinks it's like you basically said: "two girls going for a guy and one has to lose".

She doesn't know anything about Yukino's deeper problems and how she's enabling it. "Bad friend" may be unfair to Yui. More like "ignorant friend". But the result is the same: she is an unhealthy influence on Yukino.

Dylan Watson
Dylan Watson

But you're disregarding the actions/mannerisms of the characters throughout the actual events that take place in ANOTHER. Hachiman all of a sudden is obsessed with Yui and has nothing but Yui on his mind. When has that ever been the case in the main series. When has Hachiman ever prioritized Yui's thoughts, emotions and whatnot over Yukino's? You're clinging to these memorandums and recipes that are like 4 pages, but you're ignoring 200-300 pages worth of characters acting unlike themselves.

Charles Peterson
Charles Peterson

It's literally an alternate universe.
They are not the same characters.

How hard is that to understand?

Adrian Lee
Adrian Lee

Yui doesn't understand Yukino in the main series either, but she's a bad friend in both.

Ian Cruz
Ian Cruz

He doesn't "all of sudden" obsess with Yui. Did you even read ANOTHER? It happens gradually through the story.

But like I said, what was different in the beginning was Yui herself.

Henry Powell
Henry Powell

Yui understands Yukino better in the main story. She has seen Yukino going in meltdown doll mode in vol 11.

That's probably why she acts a little better in the main story than in ANOTHER. In the main story, she is aware of Yukino's feelings and Yukino's personal demons and tries repeatedly to pry them out, only to finally decide towards the end to go for what she wants no matter the consequences.

Brayden Green
Brayden Green

Hachiman can work on genuine understanding of another person with ANY girlfriend he has. It's a journey not a bonus power item to grab in game

Jackson Butler
Jackson Butler

Man he straight up abandons genuine in ANOTHER. Read the confession at the beginning of volume E.

Logan Nelson
Logan Nelson

Did you read ANOTHER? The first volume has the three main characters meeting up so they can go watch a movie. After watching the movie, Hachiman wonders what Yui thought of the movie. Doesn't even blink an eye at what Yukino may have thought about the movie. That's literally how Volume A starts off with.

Angel Diaz
Angel Diaz

Iroha doesn't count.
She tricked 8man into it by saying she needed help with the Student Council.

Elijah Ramirez
Elijah Ramirez

She has seen Yukino going in meltdown doll mode in vol 11

You guys are overplaying this. Yukino simply not talking back to her mother is not some type of meltdown mode. It's the same thing with the dependecy thing all over again. You guys see one word and you cling to that and try to define Yukino as just one thing, instead of looking at her character over the course of the entire series. You guys don't even know why Yukino has trouble talking back to her mother, what caused it or what exactly her problems are, yet here you are proclaiming like Yukino can be defined by just one thing. That's not the correct way to approach it.

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

Wrong, Yui would be bad friend if she ignored her own desires and pushed Yukino to Hachiman when Yukino is far too broken for relationship. Not getting what she wants because of cowardice was good thing in ANOTHER, she should learn from that lesson. Yui owes Yukino nothing romantically , it is every girl for herself. The stupid naive world view some of you have will only get you trampled over in life

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

After watching the movie, Hachiman watches Yui and Yukino discuss the movie and is surprised Yui paid attention to it. That's all. You misunderstood.

Ultimately though, if you want to adhere to your bullshit opinion about ANOTHER, it's up to you to explain how the memorandums and recipes fit it. You can't just cast them aside. They might be just a few pages, but they are a few pages in other PoVs. So much of Oregairu revolves around what people are thinking and feeling versus how they are perceived. Those passages are extremely important in understand that so that's why they get discussed so much.

Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

Considering how Yui joined the Service Club for Hachiman's dick and pretended to be friends with Yukino so she could be in the Service Club, I kind of want to say that Yui is a bad friend.

Isaiah Roberts
Isaiah Roberts

And I'm telling you that you're ignoring everything else that happens in ANOTHER, while claiming that 4 pages somehow justify 300 pages of characters not acting like themselves.

Ryan Watson
Ryan Watson

No, Hachiman can work on that with anyone. You have silly nations of what "genuine" is. He and Yui can work on that deep understanding of each other over years, Hachiman and his other friends might even do so.

David Williams
David Williams

tfw the pregnancy pics I made are being posted

Kevin Rodriguez
Kevin Rodriguez

No, you clearly did not see how badly Yukino's state was in vol 11. When she word-for-word repeated Hachiman's instructions to her in the phone call to Haruno, it should have become obvious to you then.

I agree about 'dependency' not being the right word for Yukino's problems. "Indecisive coward" is better.

Wyatt Sullivan
Wyatt Sullivan

Hachiman literally gives up on wanting something genuine in ANOTHER
n-no, it's okay guys, he might still go for it!

Brody Mitchell
Brody Mitchell

I'm telling you, he abandons genuine straight up in ANOTHER. It doesn't even matter what you think 'genuine' means because he rejects it outright.

There is something that I want.
I don’t need anything else other than that. All I want is just that alone.
Just like when he discussed genuine in the past. Then at the end:
Actually, maybe, I don’t want it after all.

That's the exact moment he gives up.

Kayden Hill
Kayden Hill

False , Yui not in love when she joined club and her only motive was learning baking for gratitude. Love came later

Tyler Morales
Tyler Morales

Indecisive coward" is better
Okay, so Volume 12 comes out and then there's a memorandum about how Yukino's problem is something entirely different, are you going to abandon this then and try to paint her entire character as this new thing? My point being, we don't even know exactly why things are the way they are. Cool it with your judgment.

Jayden Thompson
Jayden Thompson

Neither the memorandums or the recipes contradict either Yui or Yukino's personality and it is 100% reasonable to think they would think that. Tell me what part of their recipes or memorandums that contradicts the main series..

Aaron Hernandez
Aaron Hernandez

I never saw 'dependency' as the right word. If you go back throughout the series, her inability to stand up for what she wants for herself is the key consistent point about her.

I never changed any description.

If vol 12 revealed it was something other than that, then I would proclaim it an asspull because that what it would be. Now, vol 12 could make it clear there's a larger picture to it and that would be ok.

Jace White
Jace White

He won't do so, because he just rejects them despite their importance in favor of an apparently misread interpretation of ANOTHER (judging by his incorrect memory of the movie scene in volume A).

Tyler Taylor
Tyler Taylor

Yui wanted to give Hachiman cookies on the first day. In her recipe from another she says she had trouble talking to him the first time they spoke to each other in the Service Club. Her character bio says that she was in love with him ever since he saved her dog. Yui herself claims in volume 3 that she is in love with Hachiman.

In volume 1 this happens
http://imgur.com/a/rXaXH

Yui still remembers Hachiman's heroic rescue.
http://imgur.com/zqmnJ1m

In volume 2 this happens
http://imgur.com/3GZ6sUT

In volume 3 she says this
http://imgur.com/6SFq0O4

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

DON'T OPEN THIS IMAGE
LOOK AWAY

Jeremiah Carter
Jeremiah Carter

I would think most Yukinofags would like something that proves that Yukino is in love with him, that Yui isn't a nice girl, that Yukino really really likes genuine, and that Yui would be fine with a lie.

Considering "fine with a lie" was used in the anime in the preview of the last episode is evidence to me that the memorandums apply to both universes.

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

Definitely the two memorandums in volume A apply to both I think.

The later stuff like the confession in volume E and the recipes in volume R are more ANOTHER specific, though they are still useful to relate to the main story.

Nicholas Bailey
Nicholas Bailey

Good. She's cute and her child will be cute and she will be the best mother in the world

Bentley Perez
Bentley Perez

http://imgur.com/a/rXaXH
She denies it

http://imgur.com/zqmnJ1m
It left a big impact on her.

http://imgur.com/3GZ6sUT
She had a bit of a crush on him which developed over the course of the first volume.

http://imgur.com/6SFq0O4
"I guess..."

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

If Yui's only ambition was 8man's 8 she wouldn't have tried to help Yukino in vol 11. Yui would have just stepped on Yukino's neck.

Levi Sanchez
Levi Sanchez

Yuifags mental capacity is the same as their chosen waifu

They literally can't understand ANYTHING

David Wood
David Wood

Silly user, Yui had difficulty talking with him because he was calling her slut and she was angry

The first club person Yui said she loved was Yukino (platonic not lesbian)

Character bio wikis made by fans aren't canon, in fact the two most popular ones are full of misinformation

Sure it happened early but not at joining of club

Nathaniel Phillips
Nathaniel Phillips

And if she leaves?

Luis James
Luis James

Haruno tells Yukino she has no "self". No self = selfless (English wordplay that probably doesn't fit the original Japanese, but it's still appropriate). Yukino is selfless.
I don't putting others ahead of yourself is quite the same as being too autistic to be able to think of yourself period like Yukino (even when others push her to do so) though. It's not being selfless, it's called having a mental illness.

Ryan Richardson
Ryan Richardson

It would be temporary at best. I don't think Yui would abandon Yukino just because 8man loves Yukino and not her.

Jose Anderson
Jose Anderson

yuifags
I don't really know when it stopped being annoying and started being funny since I've been in these threads long before the endless streak of them during S2, but good god some yuifags' comments are gold.

Luke Fisher
Luke Fisher

In a good or a bad way?

David Brown
David Brown

Yukiunofags are the ones who are asshurt by ANOTHER, Yuifags are fine with it.

Owen Powell
Owen Powell

who are you even talking to

Isaiah Ortiz
Isaiah Ortiz

Miura of the Astral Clocktower
best mother

lel

Jaxon Evans
Jaxon Evans

Well, they make me grin and laugh so I guess it's in a good way.

I'm talking to people who might also be laughing at certain posts in this bread.

Jacob Morgan
Jacob Morgan

it's called having a mental illness.
I'm pretty sure everyone but the most delusional Yukinofags and Yuifags agree at this point that both Yui and Yukino are sort of nuts in their own ways.

Camden Wilson
Camden Wilson

Liquid Yukino would be a fantastic mother, get out /v/.

Charles Perry
Charles Perry

kek

Could Yuifags be any more obvious?
Go kill yourself BITCH

Hachiman said it himself that Yui is a Bitch and no one can change that

William Torres
William Torres

Pretty sure we'll be fine with slutty Iroha too.

Isaiah Jenkins
Isaiah Jenkins

series logic dictates that Hayama's clique are all decent enough people once seperated from Hayama.

Nathaniel Kelly
Nathaniel Kelly

Isn't that her default personality?

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

they are in denial that ANOTHER is best outcome Yui will ever get and it's as far away from cannon as any fanfic. They are even worse than Irohafags

Jack James
Jack James

Yui gets a good end in ANOTHER
8man gets a good end in ANOTHER
Yukino gets a good end in ANOTHER
people are still mad

Robert Ward
Robert Ward

expecting shippers to not be mad with an ending

Andrew Lewis
Andrew Lewis

Only Yui really gets a good end in ANOTHER. Hachiman had to get twisted and molded into something entirely different in order to get a "good end" as you want to call it.

Easton Adams
Easton Adams

Name a Yahari character that isn't a few bricks shy of a pallet load

Totsuka and Komachi perhaps

Sebastian Ortiz
Sebastian Ortiz

having any bricks at all

Robert Smith
Robert Smith

Totsuka is walking semen receptacle.

Actually he's barely a character, he's more of a token trap character.

Hudson Ramirez
Hudson Ramirez

8man gets a cute girlfriend and Yukino gets to keep Yui as a friend. They got a good end.

Owen Robinson
Owen Robinson

Go away Yuipollfag.

Juan Davis
Juan Davis

But I was speaking of characters who didn't have serious mental hangups. I'd add Tobe to list of mentally healthy.

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

Kill yourself user.

Jayden Jenkins
Jayden Jenkins

I'd add you to list that includes most of characters, the mentally unhealthy

Benjamin Cook
Benjamin Cook

Yukino held back in ANOTHER than means she will hold back in the main series. WW will give us two ends where Yukino picks friendship.

Robert Sullivan
Robert Sullivan

Go away Yuipollfag.

Samuel Rodriguez
Samuel Rodriguez

Should have posted that way sooner, not when the thread is about to get bumped, but thanks anyway.

Jacob Allen
Jacob Allen

Yes Yukino will
pick friendship with Hachiman, of the romantic and sexual kind

Chase Turner
Chase Turner

Thanks! Be fun to edit that to clubroom table with Yui walking in having sudden case of the suffering

Connor Jenkins
Connor Jenkins

Nothing can ever surpass the original.

Justin Myers
Justin Myers

If volume E confession is 8man abandoning genuine, does the line:

Still, all I did was allow myself to be lost in the conclusions laid down by others.

Refer to his conversation with Sensei in vol 9 which seem to have set him on the path of genuine (althoug he had referenced it previously)?

Cooper Cruz
Cooper Cruz

It's possible. Hachiman is also very easily influenced by others. When he started self-sacrificing, he was praised by Haruno. From volume 8 onwards he started observing Hayama and started acting like him.

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