Umineko

Benjamin Martinez
Benjamin Martinez

Is it wrong that i like it more than Higurashi?

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=177
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzdNfLGacG1rbHZGVjdVc0VfNXc
http://store.steampowered.com/app/406550/
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=813524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVay367HM3Y
http://07th-expansion.net/Cgi/clip/clip.cgi
http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg157217?track=ct_first
http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/country-girl-from-trianthology-alice-in-the-land-of-the-three-sided-mirror-r18547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muc2B0DL-zg
https://github.com/higurashi-mod
https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/733873443850981378
https://youtu.be/JHMta4YbjSM
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r7oofi7l93oxq/Umineko_EP7_jp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfJueMZJbIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlyqr5nbw74
https://foolz.fireden.net
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei6cC93h84I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uy6rfyZwnU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggn8riHTDqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3USff2ITpc
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PzilquQlBE
http://07th-expansion.net/Cgi/clip/clip.cgi
http://ubt.opus.hbz-nrw.de/volltexte/2015/944/pdf/Maser_Beautiful_and_Innocent.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/3620074/Life_Death_and_the_Path_to_Enlightenment_Buddhist_Symbolism_in_the_Manga_Bleach_
Gabriel Ramirez
Gabriel Ramirez

It's very wrong, but I'll forgive you.

Jaxon Martin
Jaxon Martin

Atleast Higurashi hasn't a flawed anime tainting it.

Zachary Nguyen
Zachary Nguyen

this is how umineko fags actually live

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

sysadmin
being an example

Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

I really don't like those sprites. They're too uncute.
Beato's cheeks aren't even pinchable.

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

Is it wrong I like 10 Little Niggers better than Umineko?

Carter Powell
Carter Powell

YAMI WO KIRISAKU
OH DESIRE

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

I want to fuck Lambdadelta!

Adrian Thomas
Adrian Thomas

No, because Umineko is better.

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

But there's no Erika in that book.

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

SACRIFICE A SHEEP TO GOAT

Ryder Baker
Ryder Baker

Necrophilia is gross user.

David Richardson
David Richardson

Umi had a better atmosphere

Isaiah Ortiz
Isaiah Ortiz

Is it wrong that I want to deito Lucifer?

Caleb Nelson
Caleb Nelson

what is this shitty art rolf

Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

Three last eps are inconclusive garbage

Owen Moore
Owen Moore

Are those PC sprites? I seem to recall a PC release was announced.

Jordan Jones
Jordan Jones

Yes

Oliver Bell
Oliver Bell

Steam release.
http://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=177

Jason Scott
Jason Scott

For what purpose? Other than moneys.

Owen Long
Owen Long

other than moneys

What do you need more?

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

Do you all think Rosa is a sympathetic character because of her childhood, or is she too abusive for that?

Anthony Cox
Anthony Cox

Something about the PC sprites. They don't have the rights for the PS release but they didn't want to use the original ones either so Mangagamer just hired an artist to redo the whole thing.

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

She's a realistic cunt I like her

Daniel Robinson
Daniel Robinson

Looks like the sprites they used for the pachinko thing actually.

Jackson Miller
Jackson Miller

tfw umineko triggered my lust for traps

I hate you ryukishi

Jonathan Johnson
Jonathan Johnson

Oh yeah, my bad. They actually used those.

Sebastian Evans
Sebastian Evans

Posting best Seacat.

Sebastian Morales
Sebastian Morales

If it's wrong I don't want to be right. I did like Higurashi, but Seacats just appeals to me more.

Dylan Torres
Dylan Torres

No sympathy but I think she's fun. Her and her daughter are devilishly cute, would fight along side.

Zachary Mitchell
Zachary Mitchell

they're stakes, not your waifus

Robert Rivera
Robert Rivera

that Battler redesign
I can deal with the other sprites, but not that fucking yaoi face

Brody Hernandez
Brody Hernandez

It's not necrophilia if there's magic.

Owen Thomas
Owen Thomas

/jp/ you fuckface

MOOOOODS

Cameron Wright
Cameron Wright

What the fuck?

Ryan Lee
Ryan Lee

Are you mentally challenged?

John Evans
John Evans

Honestly, that's more B.Battler's face (and hair) than Battler.

Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

I like both.

Benjamin Garcia
Benjamin Garcia

I want to impregnate the Stakes over and over and over again.

Asher Nelson
Asher Nelson

This series has too much sexy furniture.

Jose Campbell
Jose Campbell

Umineko has its flaws but holy shit if it wasn't the best ride ever

Jose Collins
Jose Collins

This series has too much sexy furniture.
too much sexy furniture
too much
No such thing.

Justin Barnes
Justin Barnes

the main point in umineko is Battler suppose to clear all those mystery save Beatrice from the loop
then ryuukishi fuck up in ep7

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

Here's a link to the artbook scans, just in case anybody wants them.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzdNfLGacG1rbHZGVjdVc0VfNXc

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

Some are weird, but I'm getting a bit used to those pachinko sprites now.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/406550/
That video showing the start didn't look too bad. Will be much better with the ps3 backgrounds too.

Luke Cooper
Luke Cooper

Can someone explain to me if the meta world has any actual impact upon the events of the message in the bottle stories or is just a way for us to view the stories and drive along a plot? Or just exactly what is the meta world.

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=813524
First episode of Higurashi's Live TV series is out.

David Perry
David Perry

Erika's are better because they don't make her look so short and dumpy

Andrew Stewart
Andrew Stewart

Obligatory post explaining the truth to those too dense to realise it.

Eli Wright
Eli Wright

There is no loop, it's not like Higurashi. The main point of Umineko is that Beato couldn't be saved.
Or just exactly what is the meta world.
Wakarimasen lol. It's up to your interpretation.

Asher Watson
Asher Watson

What's wrong with a young girl looking short and dumpy?

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

That Oishi is pretty boss.

Ethan Gray
Ethan Gray

I automatically like Umineko more because Battler is based.
Keiichi is a fucking moron. He's like that frustrating dude in a B horror movie making all the dumb decisions.

David Anderson
David Anderson

Can I, a mammon?

Jackson Wilson
Jackson Wilson

save Beato from miracle and certainty i mean

Nicholas Morgan
Nicholas Morgan

He's only a retard in EP2/5. Battler is retarded or frustrating in more than a couple episodes.

Levi Powell
Levi Powell

Battler could be pretty dumb but at least he didn't make me want to break my monitor during certain scenes.

Easton Ward
Easton Ward

I like Umineko better partly because Battler is husbando material.

Xavier Cook
Xavier Cook

It's just the whole Shion thing where K1 acts dumb

James Phillips
James Phillips

Lion a cute
A cuuuuuuuute!

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

Apart from the second arc? It's fine really. Also, the virus.

Carter Nelson
Carter Nelson

It's wrong that you like it in the first place.

Jacob Sullivan
Jacob Sullivan

A cute girl!

Elijah Ramirez
Elijah Ramirez

Tumblr please. Transwomen are still guys.

Joshua Gonzalez
Joshua Gonzalez

I'm literally going to marry Azusa.

Jayden Johnson
Jayden Johnson

Lion is 100% a cute girl with a cute vagina. My porn doesn't lie.

Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

Nah OP, I really love seacats, and a lot more than Higurashi. The VN is of my very favourite Sup Forums related media.
Unless you're talking about the anime vs Higurashi's.

Connor Perry
Connor Perry

Taken as a complete package I'd say Higurashi is better. Umineko at its best was better than Higurashi, but it peaked around episode 5 or 6 and went downhill pretty fast over the course of the last couple of episodes.

Justin Taylor
Justin Taylor

I think episodes 3-6 are the high point of Umineko, with 7 as the weakest.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with the revelations, or what was not revealed in 7 and 8 at all. I think both have strong materia
7 feels too much like a Funeral, and was a sludge to get through, whereas 8 is too upbeat and fantasy based and needed more moments actually grounded in reality (though from what I've seen of the manga for 8, it fixes a lot of the issues I had with it).
A mix of them both with more of the "fun" moments and fantasy and reality instead of splitting both sides up into to episodes would be close to perfect, imo. Much more enjoyable to read.

Asher Rivera
Asher Rivera

7 is one of the best in the series. 6 is one of the worst.

Samuel Sullivan
Samuel Sullivan

Only read Orient, and it seemed really really dull and unatmospheric.

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

Umineko is objectively better than higurashi, seniority be damned

Jayden Young
Jayden Young

no that is correct, but it is wrong you are playing that version of the game.

Ethan Murphy
Ethan Murphy

Is that Hanyuu in the top left?
If yes, then she is cute.

Ryder Robinson
Ryder Robinson

didn't play the higurashi VN
sprites look terrible
want to read the manga
sparse translations
spend a crap ton of money buying all 26 volumes out in america
the mystery, characters and dread is fucking fantastic
ekichi mayabara quickly becomes one of my all time favorite protags after the massacre arc
ending kinda drops the ball in terms of intensity
still a great ride
want to read the manga for umineko next
not even half the series is released in america
just as long and each volume is more expensive
Dear god, I don't know how long it will be before I give umineko a read.

Jeremiah Baker
Jeremiah Baker

Episode 4 and 7 were necessary but not very interesting.

The prison part of episode 4 was flat out disgusting.

just read the vn

Gabriel Cooper
Gabriel Cooper

I can't wait to read Ryukishi's next work.

Colton Parker
Colton Parker

ekichi becomes a man among men in the second to last arc
This bitch ruins it
next volume
get her backstory
sympathy overdrive
Christ almighty, anime only kids missed out on major character development with takano. The manga didn't hold anything back with her tragic past. I haven't switched from hating a villain to feeling sorry for them that fast since gaara.

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones

I'll probably end up doing just that

Jackson Thomas
Jackson Thomas

The entire Umineko manga is available online. Translations just finished recently.

Dominic Morris
Dominic Morris

Honestly you are missing out a lot if you don't read the VNs
They are called sound novels for a reason you know
The higurashi and umineko mangas might be good but you are missing out on the music and the sound effects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVay367HM3Y
Umineko music is so good that you have no excuse not to read the VN over the manga

Charles Nguyen
Charles Nguyen

Daily reminder that Battler killed everyone and tried to cover it up with fan fiction bullshit

Tyler Ward
Tyler Ward

Based just on the first episode I thought he did the best job too.

Joshua Garcia
Joshua Garcia

Battler can't be the culprit. The culprit wore a purple suit.

Leo Carter
Leo Carter

ekichi mayabara

Jayden Walker
Jayden Walker

That doesn't look like any version of the game.
I'm guessing you thought it was the PS3 version, and you'd be wrong because that's by far superior.

Henry Myers
Henry Myers

I'd still fuck him, tbqh.

Based Battler. Tried to protect his imoutos innocence by hiding the truth.

Lucas Phillips
Lucas Phillips

The VN is great.
Ignore the contrarians and make sure you play the version with the ps3 patch and voice acting - the sprites there look good, and the music is top tier. If you go for the manga, you'll miss out on that.
As a bonus, because it's onscripter it can be used on a lot of devices and OSs too.

James Cruz
James Cruz

That doesn't look like any version of the game.

That's the art for the Steam and pachinko slot versions

Mason Green
Mason Green

Alright, let's establish a few "facts" so we can shitpost about our tastes:

Belphegor is the best stake.
OMK fighting sprites > original sprites > PS3 sprites > shit > OMK dialogue sprites.
No one did anything wrong.
Kinzo is best grandpa and best character in Umineko in general.

kek

Also, looking for that image where Umineko characters are depicted by different Pokemon. It was made by an user about two years ago, and I can't find it for a long time.

Elijah Davis
Elijah Davis

Belphegor is the best stake.

Ryder Barnes
Ryder Barnes

Your taste is bad, I don't like you.

Elijah Carter
Elijah Carter

Rosa did everything wrong.

Evan Barnes
Evan Barnes

Sexually?

Christian Peterson
Christian Peterson

Not riding my dick is pretty wrong, yeah.

Colton Martinez
Colton Martinez

She is, though, deito-kun.
Don't worry, Lucifer is a close second or third.

Jack Collins
Jack Collins

He's just preserving her innocence so that he can take it later.

It's a lot like wine.

Christian Sanders
Christian Sanders

Such a cute lady turned in such a sexy beast

Michael Morris
Michael Morris

I'd read a story about evil Toya, tb h

Jeremiah Collins
Jeremiah Collins

I'm glad they made battler have golden skin again. That actually has plot relevance.

Adrian Phillips
Adrian Phillips

One thing I don't get about Black Battler is that didn't Dlanor say back in EP5 that what pieces did had to fit their original personality and the "real" person was capable of doing what the piece did (hence why she thanked him for doing what Bern-Battler did)

Does that mean Battler had it in him to be a murderous sociopath?

Juan Adams
Juan Adams

Explain? When did he ever have gold skin?

Owen Evans
Owen Evans

"Gold" as in darker than white skin but not dark enough to be black or brown.

Battler's white skin in the PS3 sprites made it much easier to doubt that he was Rudolph's son.

Hunter Russell
Hunter Russell

One thing I find funny (not sure how intentional it is) is that Battler spends most of Episode 8 trying to get Ange to move on from the past and leave the Island behind and live in the future when he himself basically kills himself when he could have left the island and continued living. And that way Ange wouldn't have been alone either - he fucked them both over.

Michael Torres
Michael Torres

Ahh, he looks a bit too fake-tan orange for me in the original sprites.
I'll admit I like the paler skin from a purely aesthetic point of view. It goes better with the rest of his design, imo.

Logan Myers
Logan Myers

Both Kyrie and Battler seem to wear crosses on their clothing (inverted in Battler's case).
I wonder if it was intentional - are there any other characters wearing crosses?

Thomas Brooks
Thomas Brooks

Your opinion isn't wrong. I'm glad they made it darker again, though. It was part of how the question arcs' foreshadowing worked. Uncertainty as to battler's paternage wasn't one of the intended things; when he couldn't say "I am a Asumu's son" that was supposed to imply that Rudolph had another son out of wedlock and they got swapped.

Anthony Richardson
Anthony Richardson

Rosa > Natushi > Eva > Kyrie

Don't you ever dare to respond to me when your opinion is different.

Nolan Morris
Nolan Morris

Hmm, I played with the PS3 sprites and it never really occurred to me that Battler wasn't Rudolf's real son.
Personally, from the moment it was revealed that Asumu wasn't his mother, bearing in mind earlier Kyrie had said that she and Asumu had the same duedate for their babies (in episode 3 I think?), I was pretty certain that he was Rudolf and Kyrie's son.

Though I originally thought that the Sumadera family had swapped the babies because they disproved of the Ushiromiya's, not Rudolf himself.

Ayden Torres
Ayden Torres

Natushi a best, Rosa a worst though.

Austin Ross
Austin Ross

Honestly, a lot about him is a mystery, looking at just OMK.

He really seems to hate his role as the culprit but still does it. What's making Black Battler kill everyone if even Black Battler doesn't want to kill everyone?

Who actually summoned him? Why does he need to be summoned if the Battler culprit theories created him? What does he do between being created and being summoned?

Why is Shannon so much different around him?

Why is his boss version so different from his regular version?

Christian Collins
Christian Collins

What chapter is this that has young Rosa?

Hudson Taylor
Hudson Taylor

How canon is the manga and the things it "adds"?
Did R07 write it?

Jayden Young
Jayden Young

It's completely canon. Ryukishi did write it.

Mason Clark
Mason Clark

Black Battler sounds like Black Butler
Daisuke Ono voices both Battler and Sebastian
P O T T E R Y

Andrew Reed
Andrew Reed

Thanks.
From what I've read of Episode 8 I really like the changes it added particularly.
Not a huge fan of the art (although it's pretty inoffensive) but I might actually buy it when they're released in the west.

Robert Russell
Robert Russell

VN is over?

Samuel Hernandez
Samuel Hernandez

No man, it's been on-going for like 10 years but still has all these different versions coming out.

It's really stupid, since they don't even know how it'll end yet.

Leo Russell
Leo Russell

Hai, the final episode came out December 2010.

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

Just give me TRianThology already

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

Umineko has some of the most believable characters I've ever read in some of the most unbelievable scenarios I've ever read.

Lucas Williams
Lucas Williams

Umineko is objectively bad though

Brayden Perez
Brayden Perez

you will never help Erika and Dlanor hunt down and execute witches.

Nolan Morales
Nolan Morales

Someone over at /jp/ said that it will be released at Comiket (which is in August) according to this, but I'm not sure if it's actually true since I can't read Jap

http://07th-expansion.net/Cgi/clip/clip.cgi

Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

My phone translated the page, that guy is correct.

Hudson Bailey
Hudson Bailey

Translation never

Parker Walker
Parker Walker

Every thread until we reach the Golden Land.

Aaron Barnes
Aaron Barnes

dat rika
why is 3D so pig disgusting

Parker Allen
Parker Allen

Hello, I am posting from the Golden Land to tell you that your theory sucks.

Elijah Cruz
Elijah Cruz

コミケまでもう少しございます
I guess it means we can expect it next Comiket yes.
Also the first chapter of country girl is online, haven't read it yet. http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg157217?track=ct_first

Jose Rivera
Jose Rivera

I want to take a big fat bloody shit into Bernkastel's womb!

Elijah King
Elijah King

Also the first chapter of country girl is online
There are 5 chapters out, 3 of them are translated already

http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/country-girl-from-trianthology-alice-in-the-land-of-the-three-sided-mirror-r18547

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

you'll never be there for dlanor going batshit

Jack Richardson
Jack Richardson

higurashi was shit. so no.

Jaxon Cook
Jaxon Cook

Comparing apples to oranges, since Ten Little Niggers is a proper mystery, while Umineko uses the mystery genre itself to tell a story, but the focus isn't really in the mystery.

Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

Dlanor's engrish is the best.

How were the words which were capitalised in the translation written in the original? Katakana?

Tyler Ward
Tyler Ward

Oh nice.

Brody Jenkins
Brody Jenkins

Umineko is all right but overall I would say it's like Higurashi if Higurashi got lost up its own ass with all the alternate realities and truths vs conspiracies.

Oliver Parker
Oliver Parker

Damn are there some archived threads from when EP5 came out?

Carson Myers
Carson Myers

This. Anyone approaching Umineko as a mystery in the first place - at least by the time they've read a couple of episodes is retarded and missing the point entirely.

I can see why you would think that, but I totally disagree because all the meta-fiction and the truth vs fantasy talk really clicked with me and I found it actually engaging in a way that's very, very rare for me. But hey, it obviously didn't work for you and that's okay too.

Justin Green
Justin Green

Just passing through to say that When Seacats Cry (sic) is superb, and you should read it if you're already finished with Umineko.

Don't worry, it is extremely enjoyable, even if you will miss a few references, the writing is great, and it heavily expands upon the whole meta-fiction concept.

Ryan Sanchez
Ryan Sanchez

Seacats

I'm triggered. That makes me think about how Stupid Goats Reading Seacats abruptly ended because akatokuro and yumetabibito suddenly abandoned Tumblr.

Ryan Flores
Ryan Flores

Kyrie and Battler didn't know they were related while they were still alive.
We will never have a mother and son murder team
Why live.

Eli Jenkins
Eli Jenkins

I just can't get past the original sprites to read it.

Caleb Ward
Caleb Ward

On the topic of fanworks, anyone knows what happened to DameDame? It was funny as fuck, unlike Witches and Woodlands.

Christopher Scott
Christopher Scott

he doesn't like the original sprites
he didn't read through both Higurashi and Umineko with original sprites and BGs
Dude, literally why?

William Murphy
William Murphy

I find them really, really ugly and painful to look at.
I know the PS3 sprites are very generic, but i like them and especially the like CGs.

Leo Gomez
Leo Gomez

Re: OP

Because it's better

Brandon Hill
Brandon Hill

not liking ryu07's art

Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

Prove that it's not objectively bad.
Use the red truth.

Robert Evans
Robert Evans

This.
Aside from the fact the Higurashi anime is better than the Umineko one, I don't know why this isn't the general consensus.

Carter Howard
Carter Howard

What the fuck?

Xavier Butler
Xavier Butler

Man, "battered wife" syndrome aside, Ryu's art is so much more expressive than PS3 version.

Thomas Nguyen
Thomas Nguyen

Hello everyone, just wanted to say hi!
I like this Battler more. Fuck you guys!

Alexander Kelly
Alexander Kelly

Ange made it off the island and Battler wanted her to move on from the tragedy.

Battler "kills himself" with Beatrice because he wanted to undo the mistake that led to all of this. He only wants Beatrice now because he "believes" in her. I actually equate this with Christianity and how if you "lose your life for My sake, you will keep it".

Gabriel Hall
Gabriel Hall

Your post is contradictory.

Jack Ward
Jack Ward

Because Umineko goes to shit after EP5. Basically it becomes "I DONT LIKE YOUR OPINION" and "FUCK YOUR FREE SPEECH MUH FEELINGS"

Easton White
Easton White

Hello~! ^ ^

Grayson Smith
Grayson Smith

How?
I admitted that I have a "battered wife" syndrome, and that Ryu's art is pretty shit, but it's way better at showcasing emotions than PS3 art.

Benjamin Cox
Benjamin Cox

Smug Jessica.

Sebastian Walker
Sebastian Walker

I want Jessica to punch me to death

Kevin Campbell
Kevin Campbell

tfw all these wonderful characters I love died the year before I was born

Jaxson Gray
Jaxson Gray

It's not wrong until you start episode 6.

Kevin Diaz
Kevin Diaz

because he wanted to undo the mistake that led to all of this.
But killing "himself" doesn't really do anything to make up for that mistake.

Julian Parker
Julian Parker

It does if he's the killer.

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

"I DONT LIKE YOUR OPINION" and "FUCK YOUR FREE SPEECH MUH FEELINGS"
You're missing the point, and I'm too lazy to try and explain it when you probably won't even read it.

If that's really the reason that people don't like Umineko, then I suppose it's a good way of weeding out those with no reading comprehension.

Hudson Rogers
Hudson Rogers

Can someone post that screenshot of an user who just finished Episode 3?

You know the one

Justin Morales
Justin Morales

I was born in 1984...
I... I wish I had been there that night in October 1986... I could have saved them... I could have saved them all...

Carter Watson
Carter Watson

that's a lot of desus

Jordan Flores
Jordan Flores

It's just shitty writing to justify Battler coming back a gazillion years later. He drowned to try to save a crazy tranny who got his family killed (despite not doing it herself) because apparently the first thing you do when your family, including innocent children and servants die, is flirting, falling in love and getting amnesia.

Keep telling yourself that when EP8 exists.

Brayden Price
Brayden Price

My husbando is far too innocent to murder someone!

Andrew Perry
Andrew Perry

the best part is that dlanor is voiced by stinku's seiyuu so it's like ultrameta and shit

Grayson Harris
Grayson Harris

Official localization still has the shitty backgrounds
Meanwhile modders added in actual backgrounds years ago
Are there at least going to be CGs?

Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

Actually, if you count them, it's exactly the amount of dead people on the island.

Not that guy, but I'm gonna try to explain briefly what's my viewpoint on it.

Featherine, Lambda and Bern mention numerous times that there is no evidence left in 199-whatever of what transpired on that night in 1986, and they claim it in red, if I recall correctly.

The point is, if you can't figure out the truth because it's literally impossible, you are free to believe whatever you want, so why not believe something that you want to believe?

For all we know, Tohya and Featherine are two con artists trying to swindle Ange. 199-whatever viewpoint is unreliable, and so is 1986.

After all, it's all fiction. Schroedinger's box. A bunch of lies that might or might not coincide with the truth.

Whatever we know about 1986 is covered in mystery and told by numerous contradicting stories, and whatever we know about 199-whatever is told from Ange's viewpoint.

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

Keep telling yourself that when EP8 exists.
The point was that Ange was looking for the truth for the wrong reasons, and not allowing herself to live in her time.
Getting the truth wouldn't help her one bit, and in the first place there isn't a one simple "truth".
"The truth" changes based on the lens of the observer, and you can only speculate based on known facts and biased observer accounts (in this case Eva's diary) about what really happened.
The point was that the "Truth" wasn't what Ange was really looking for in the end, as she learned by the end of the story.

And the story clearly shows the bad side to believing in a fantasy too - the whole thing was catalysed because Yasu deluded his/herself into believing in something that wasn't there, and took it way too far.

Josiah Bailey
Josiah Bailey

It's okay, he doesn't want himself to be the killer either.

That's why he killed himself and why his immortal actual-for-reals killer version keeps trying to get himself killed.

Jason Fisher
Jason Fisher

Why can't they just use the PS3 art?
Why would anyone get this over the patched version?

Colton Adams
Colton Adams

I love filtered photograph backgrounds in VNs.

Eli Phillips
Eli Phillips

They were too poor to license those graphics or commision good graphics
No voice acting either

Meanwhile modders have done this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muc2B0DL-zg

Joseph Barnes
Joseph Barnes

Because the PS3 art is from Alchemist and they're either unwilling or charging too much to license it.

I never played with the PS3 art anyway so I won't be missing it.

Grayson Peterson
Grayson Peterson

Where is Black Battler actually from? Is he at all "canon"?

Leo Reed
Leo Reed

Why can't they just use the PS3 art?
It's owned by Alchemist. Or at least it was, but they went bankrupt recently, so I'm not sure who owns it now

Grayson Cox
Grayson Cox

That's the catbox. It's here since EP2 and it's okay, it works. What I'm talking about is how this catbox is used in the later issues to call heartless anyone who doesn't go with Ange's bullshit. Goats are assholes because they theorize, Bern is a bitch because she says that Kinzo didn't like baby-killing body-hiding Natsuhi (however it's perfectly okay for Natsuhi to lie about a dead man), and all that stuff.

The point was that Ange was looking for the truth for the wrong reasons, and not allowing herself to live in her time.
Except it was done by "you must believe everyone is innocent somehow" instead of "it's irrelevant now just move on". And Ange's part in the story relies on adults being complete retard who tolerate harassment at ridiculous levels.

Andrew Murphy
Andrew Murphy

Meanwhile modders didn't have to pay a cent for that.

John Ramirez
John Ramirez

Battler is the killer, of course Black Battler is canon.

Dominic Ramirez
Dominic Ramirez

Exactly, they aren't in it as a pointless cash in of a VN that has been translated for years

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

What I'm talking about is how this catbox is used in the later issues to call heartless anyone who doesn't go with Ange's bullshit.
And again, that's just Ange's viewpoint as she tries to disbelieve things she doesn't like. It's all in her head.

Kayden Sanders
Kayden Sanders

No voice acting either
What's even the fucking point?
I hope no-one buys that without knowing that the patched version is easily available, and for more than just windows too.

On that note, is there an onscripter version of Umineko translated?
The mangagamer version ui is a headache, especially on mac where I need to use wine.

Justin Mitchell
Justin Mitchell

He's from Ougon Musou Kyoku CROSS, and he also appears in Umineko Hane

Charles Scott
Charles Scott

Yeah, The Witch Hunt translation patch works with all versions of OnScripter. Just drag and drop to replace the default data files. I love how the engine is native to OSX and Linux as well as windows.

Jaxon Garcia
Jaxon Garcia

Doesn't Bern's game in 8 also count as an appearance for him?

Anthony Clark
Anthony Clark

Shit, I meant Higurashi, obviously.

Umineko Hane
is that a fandisc?

Lincoln Watson
Lincoln Watson

Of Higurashi, you mean?
Because Umineko translations were always on onscripter.

And no, there's no Higurashi onscripter version besides episode 1 from Shion and Mion's translation, and I doubt it's even available for download anywhere anymore.

Mangagamer's new version is pretty nice and moddable, though.

Caleb Roberts
Caleb Roberts

Yeah, I know, that's how I read seacats.
I meant Higurashi

Logan Lewis
Logan Lewis

It'd be fine if it was just one viewpoint, but it's also the author's viewpoint and he keeps reminding you of it. If you go with the trick ending (which is just calling things without embellishing them unecessarily) you're forced to become a schizophrenic murderer.
The only counterweight to the magic viewpoint is Yasu's flashback, but it doesn't means much when he's so glorified in the last installments.

Cooper Kelly
Cooper Kelly

Mangagamer's new version
How new?
I'm not sure which version I downloaded.

I think I have the episode 1 translation, but I couldn't find the original game to play it (the torrents I found got stuck at around 95% for days so I gave up)

James James
James James

but it's also the author's viewpoint and he keeps reminding you of it
And his opinion doesn't matter for shit.
Later Queen problem and all that.

Samuel Gomez
Samuel Gomez

The one that's coming out on Steam right now.
Only two episodes are out and it's multiplatform (Windows, Linux, OS X).

Jack Sanders
Jack Sanders

Not sure since he's wearing normal Battler's clothing in that.

Speaking of that game, did anyone solve it first time without looking at any of the clues whatsoever?

I thought it was actually pretty good - hard but solvable. I ended up getting impatient when I got stuck on a points or two and looked at the clues but what I did on my own was pretty satisfying.

Zachary Ramirez
Zachary Ramirez

They were annoying SJWs who called Battler "selfish" and "trash" for not responding to Beatrice properly but never frowned upon Yasu at all.

Tyler Davis
Tyler Davis

Oh, thanks!
Multiplatform also means no Wine required which is a plus.

Still, voice patch when? The PS2 version has voice acting, does't it?

Jacob Jones
Jacob Jones

for not responding to Beatrice properly
How the fuck was he supposed to respond to what seemed like the woman that murdered his entire family?

Jacob Reyes
Jacob Reyes

https://github.com/higurashi-mod

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

The Steam version has a patch that adds the art and voices from the PS3 game

Michael Scott
Michael Scott

That's what I always thought. They were really bizarrely critical of him.

Ryan Smith
Ryan Smith

mfw danknug blazeinator hits and shit goes down

Wyatt Williams
Wyatt Williams

Well, shit.
Thanks - sounds like I should go install this and start reading Higurashi now. Though I want to finish reading Rewrite pretty soon too - at least in time for the anime.

Camden Barnes
Camden Barnes

Well, doesn't he also wear Battler's clothes outside of the meta world in Forgery no. XXX?

Nolan Powell
Nolan Powell

Keep in mind that only the first two out of eight parts have been released, so you will need to read the original for the rest

Lucas Hill
Lucas Hill

Yeah, that was him. I think it's confirmed in Hane from what I remember

Eli Richardson
Eli Richardson

That or wait six months between each release.

Hunter Cox
Hunter Cox

Or learn french and enjoy the original sprites

Caleb Davis
Caleb Davis

first two out of eight parts
They're doing Rei and Hou as well, so it's really 2 out of 10. It will take years before it's finished

Caleb Cruz
Caleb Cruz

Yeah, it'll be a good taste of what the VN's like at least.
Though Umineko gave me "must keep reading" syndrome really bad and I ended up reading the entire VN at a kinda ridiculous pace.

Dylan Garcia
Dylan Garcia

kinda ridiculous pace
I remember when I was still in university, and I've read through episodes 1 through 7 (that was the last translated one at that point) in less than a week or so.

My daily schedule literally consisted of "wake up - shower - eat - Umineko - eat - shower - sleep".

Jackson Bell
Jackson Bell

Haha, that sounds like me.
Episode 1 I took it slow, but by the time I got to the second half I was going at an episode a day in some kind of daze.

When I watched/read something else with fantasy elements around then, I found myself automatically trying to find the "truth" behind the illusions and a way it could be done by human means before having to tell myself wait no this is actually fantasy.

Isaac Cox
Isaac Cox

When's Tatari coming out?
I want to hear all the delicious Satoko.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson

It's supposedly being ported over as it is entirely translated+edited. As everyone at MG is on minimum wage, expect it on steam"Soon".

Ian Fisher
Ian Fisher

https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/733873443850981378
24/6

Nolan Parker
Nolan Parker

The only counterweight to the magic viewpoint is Yasu's flashback, but it doesn't means much when he's so glorified in the last installments.

The extremity of Maria's magic in episode 4 could also be considered a counterweight.

Nicholas Martin
Nicholas Martin

Just a reminder, if you believe the "Official" explanation to Umineko, R07 has successfully tricked you and made you stop thinking. I've studied and wracked my brains and come to a completely different conclusion, and not only can I prove it, but I can prove the official explanation is completely impossible. I've made a YouTube series illustrating my point, you can watch the first here https://youtu.be/JHMta4YbjSM

Dylan Sanders
Dylan Sanders

I have yet to see anyone explain this with the Rosatrice theory

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

They're releasing the entirety of the question arcs at once? That's pretty based, and smarter than the diminishing returns approach of Higurashi's release.

Matthew Bailey
Matthew Bailey

I still miss those days of arguing against that fucking video.

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

159 minutes and 12 seconds

Christian Rivera
Christian Rivera

Pretty much all the Ushiryomias manage to be both A) Sympathetic and B) Terrible people.

Isaac Diaz
Isaac Diaz

How can you say it peaked at 5-6 when 7 is the best episode.

Elijah Rodriguez
Elijah Rodriguez

They managed to be pretty real
I actually found the glaring distinction between the fiction-esque Ushiromiyas and the real Ushiromiyas to be beautifully done.

Henry King
Henry King

Only looking at the thumbnail
using caps from the anime
For what reason?

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

kek. Saved.

Justin Gomez
Justin Gomez

7 is the best episode.
there are actually people
Though in all seriousness, while it's easily my least liked ep I'm kinda glad there are people who genuinely like 7 best.

The "reality" shattering the "fantasy" is kinda of sad though.
But yeah, I agree. And the blend of both is done really nicely.
That's my problem with Episodes 7 and 8 - they lean too heavily on one side of the fantasy/reality equation and as a result 7 ends up being depressing to read and 8 feels too fake and unrealistic. It loses the balance the prior episodes had.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

The kids don't really seem like terrible people though.
Makes you wonder what kind of fuck ups they might become as adults if they hadn't died.

Ian Howard
Ian Howard

I laughed hard when the Ep8 manga started destroying Rosatrice.

Especially funny for me because there was very little I hadn't already figured out "revealed".

Luis Foster
Luis Foster

I just want that moment where we've all been fooled for years and Ryu writes a follow up that reveals who really did it. It won't happen, but a man can dream.

Ryan Parker
Ryan Parker

moment where we've all been fooled for years and Ryu writes a follow up that reveals who really did it.
tfw it was Battler all along and that's why he basically killed himself even though he survived the incident and Eva doesn't want to tell Ange.

Connor Jones
Connor Jones

It was Jessica. Everything really points to her.

Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

this is why I love Umineko

Nathan Gray
Nathan Gray

There are 4 parts and the total time is 536 minutes and 11 seconds.

Jordan Hill
Jordan Hill

When you first started reading Episode 1, who did you find suspicious, Sup Forums?

tfw you thought Godha seemed suspicious and now feel like an idiot.

Robert Price
Robert Price

I was too overwhelmed to really suspect anybody.

It wasn't until 3 that I started to think.

Hudson Myers
Hudson Myers

I stopped thinking until Episode 4 and just went "yeah, a witch did it, what's the point in arguing against this Battler?"

Adam Lopez
Adam Lopez

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

Rosa and Maria.

Brandon Walker
Brandon Walker

Even before the murders started? No one seemed shifty to you?

Nicholas White
Nicholas White

Oh all the adults were shifty, but when they started dying I couldn't think about who might have been killing them.

Brandon Perry
Brandon Perry

Thought George was suspicious almost as soon as he was introduced.

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

holy shit those sprite are ugly
literally worse than r07's art

Jordan Green
Jordan Green

in EP1 i really think him team-up with shanon and kill everyone

Justin Campbell
Justin Campbell

me on left

Ayden Jenkins
Ayden Jenkins

Half way right.

Bentley Reed
Bentley Reed

Kanon always just seemed like the most obvious and most suspicious person.

Adam Baker
Adam Baker

Kumasawa, honestly. She was always peeking around corners and spying on people and apparently had a rep for being intimately familiar with the island's legends. Found her more suspicious than Genji, too, because of the very fact that she'd been employed nearly as long but hadn't earned the eagle. Maria also never mentioned what the Beatrice who gave her the umbrella looked like and it would have made perfect sense for the portrait to have been how she looked as a younger woman. I think I nurtured the pet theory that she was Beatrice until around EP3 when she 'turned into' Virgilia, most likely.

Jason Stewart
Jason Stewart

This is pretty obvious in hindsight. But the fantasy narrative presented him so against Beatrice that it was easy to assume he was innocent.

Xavier Long
Xavier Long

I just took the story as it went. I didn't treat it as a mystery, just chugging along to see what was actually happening. And then nobody was left alive.
So the Tea Party really got to me.

Asher Reyes
Asher Reyes

I wish I could find a bunch of archived Umineko discussion as it was being released.

Nathan Smith
Nathan Smith

Episode 3 is the embodiment of the epitome of fictional storytelling, nothing will come close in our life time.

Michael Anderson
Michael Anderson

I saved some of the EP7 shitstorm threads from /jp/ when that first came out, but I'd really like to relive the good times from the when question arcs were new.

Jose Richardson
Jose Richardson

The ending for Episode 3 is a masterpiece.

Ryan Wood
Ryan Wood

Post what you got - that was one of the best shitstorms for Umineko. Warosu's been down and Desustorage still hasn't finished with the moe database. If you have images that's even better.

Ian Murphy
Ian Murphy

Beatrice in the "Improved" art looks like a drag queen
Battler now looks like a tanned homosexual
Jessica's eyes are so low that she looks like a cro-magnon
Surprisngly accurate

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

Seems like I've got at least some images (I think it only saved thumbs for images I didn't actually expand). I can't say much for the quality of the threads but I'd imagine if I bothered to save them at all they must have entertained me. I'll see about tossing them up on mediafire or something.

Caleb Price
Caleb Price

Thanks user

Justin Torres
Justin Torres

but I'd really like to relive the good times from the when question arcs were new.
Never again, user.
I hope I can experience something like that again in my lifetime but it's not likely.

Julian Ramirez
Julian Ramirez

Might take a while to upload, but I'll try to deliver. Worst case, if this thread dies before I can, there's an active Umineko thread on /jp/ right now: >>15174023

Literally the worst. Even if opinions on Umineko's ultimate outcome diverge pretty wildly, I think we can all agree that no other piece of fiction will ever be the same kind of wild ride that was reading Umineko for the first time.

Camden Miller
Camden Miller

Fuck, I mean /jp/thread/15174023#p15174023

Jaxson Butler
Jaxson Butler

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r7oofi7l93oxq/Umineko_EP7_jp

It's not much, but I hope some anons can enjoy the trip down memory lane.

Jacob Powell
Jacob Powell

/r/Bern_is_objectively_the_best_girl

Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

Much appreciated

John Miller
John Miller

heh

Gavin Gutierrez
Gavin Gutierrez

If it took people until the EP8 manga to realize Rosatrice was bullshit they never deserved the truth in the first place.

Zachary Sanders
Zachary Sanders

Will this be subbed anytime soon?

Jonathan Young
Jonathan Young

When is Hotarubi starting up?

Jayden Ross
Jayden Ross

What? This is a thing? Wow.
Why can't they just stop?

Cameron Bennett
Cameron Bennett

Last month.
Though last I saw, we only had gook scans for half of the first chapter.
I'd love some proper scans for download.

Caleb Diaz
Caleb Diaz

It already has started. Scanlations aren't out yet because there are no raws.

Camden Parker
Camden Parker

Why you retards always use word "scanlation", when translators don't even scan?
Stop it, you fucking idiots.

Anthony Morgan
Anthony Morgan

Never underestimate the power of autism.

Aiden Anderson
Aiden Anderson

Here you go.

Jordan Young
Jordan Young

So who is meta battler and how did he find his way into the meta world if real battler survived and got off the island?

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

Meta battler created by real battler in the stories written by aurora.

Joseph Gutierrez
Joseph Gutierrez

So what happens after the anime?

Anime was pretty shit.

Robert Phillips
Robert Phillips

Read the novels.

Never gets old.

Lucas Lopez
Lucas Lopez

Right after the anime? The cutest, smartest, funniest, most perverted girl, all around best girl shows up.

Andrew Torres
Andrew Torres

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfJueMZJbIc

I bet Sawashiro had fun with this.

Bentley Hughes
Bentley Hughes

Yeah, Dlanor comes into play, not sure why you posted Erika though.

Henry Stewart
Henry Stewart

that failure of a detective
best anything

Sebastian Lopez
Sebastian Lopez

Reminder that Will didn't need any witch powers to solve the mystery, and did it all in a single game, only reading the first 4 games and asking around.

Meanwhile Erika had mary sue powers, nearly all siblings' support, support from TWO powerful witches, had Dlanor assisting her through the way, got a second chance to make up for her first failure, and still couldn't get even an inch closer to the truth.

Willard: 01
Erika: -02

Mason Kelly
Mason Kelly

That's because Erika couldn't see THE HEART of the story. :^)

Jayden Wood
Jayden Wood

Fucking agreed.
With the worst one being 4.

Jeremiah Scott
Jeremiah Scott

OMK sprites>PS3 sprites>shit>original sprites.

Luke Cook
Luke Cook

Will's game was especially made for him to solve. There was no difficulty.

only reading the first 4 games
Erika didn't have this opportunity and actually had opponents to fight.

Ian Green
Ian Green

So? Erika had two games basically made for her to solve, with additional support and powers. Will had nothing but himself and did it better,

Erika didn't have this opportunity
Erika actually got all the info about what has been going on before entering the game, so no.

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

Erika had two games basically made for her to solve
Not really. These games were very obviously Battler's to solve.

Will had nothing but himself and did it better,
As I said, there was no challenge. Everything was lined up for him.

Erika actually got all the info about what has been going on before entering the game
It's been a while since I read Umineko, but I don't remember this. I remember Erika saying something like "so this is how it works in here" when she started fighting in meta, though.

Samuel Wright
Samuel Wright

Blocked out the memories user?

Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

Thanks pham

Adam Reyes
Adam Reyes

So do you think Battler really fucked up in Episode 6, or was it all a ploy to get Beato to 'revive'.

It seems like he instantly knew what Beato thought of when she 'saved' him

Camden Morgan
Camden Morgan

I actually suspected the adults. But they died early so there's that.

Xavier Young
Xavier Young

Alchemist went bankrupt nigga

Nathaniel Reed
Nathaniel Reed

I think he fucked up big-time on that game. If it wasn't for moe-trice, erika would've crushed battler's balls in their honeymoon.

Christopher Nguyen
Christopher Nguyen

erika would've crushed battler's balls in their honeymoon
implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlyqr5nbw74

Andrew Morgan
Andrew Morgan

Wasn't it clearly implied later that he fucked up because he was betting on a "miracle" to revive Beatrice?

Michael Bailey
Michael Bailey

Why is Erika so lewd?

Isaac Richardson
Isaac Richardson

I'm really surprised that Will is actually popular and liked.
I didn't hate him but he was easily one of my least favourite characters (and barely had a character at that) and I was sure he would be disliked by the fandom.

Jayden Hall
Jayden Hall

Watching the Umineko anime before reading the VN
watching the Umineko anime ever

Hudson Barnes
Hudson Barnes

https://foolz.fireden.net
I'm not sure how the /jp/ archives are but the Sup Forums ones cover most of what was lost from moe.

I'm really curious about reactions to Chiru myself. Would the better reactions be before the english translation was released, or just from the raw release?

Brody Martin
Brody Martin

No, it's expected.

Jackson Garcia
Jackson Garcia

that blue
Pfft.

Daniel Russell
Daniel Russell

Not really. These games were very obviously Battler's to solve.
Battler was no longer the detective, Erika was. Her role was to solve them, not Battler's.

As I said, there was no challenge. Everything was lined up for him.
How? Aside from Lion, there was no change in the pieces or setting.

It's been a while since I read Umineko, but I don't remember this.
Read again. She did knew what happened in the previous games.

Brody Wood
Brody Wood

Posting the best UNTZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei6cC93h84I

Jackson Lee
Jackson Lee

Can we expect a resurrection of umineko popularity due to the steam release?

Christian Martinez
Christian Martinez

Sorry, that CG of Kyrie with the gun made me love her forever.

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

Actually, if you count them, it's exactly the amount of dead people on the island.
What? I count many more than 17.

Mason Williams
Mason Williams

steam release
WHAT

Aaron Perez
Aaron Perez

Have you been in a fragment under a rock bern?

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

Ten Little Niggers is worse than Umineko. That thing with gun at the end was just a fucking asspull and floor explanation sucked, you couldn't find an answer because of it. This story have no heart and love.

Joseph Clark
Joseph Clark

I wish I didn't know, that artwork is worse than the PS3 version.

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

Doesn't matter. By virtue of being a steam release, the modding community will probably mod in PS3 sprites, backgrounds and voices in a few days.

Nathan Taylor
Nathan Taylor

Is that black battler?

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

I respectfully disagree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uy6rfyZwnU

Jacob Bell
Jacob Bell

Useless! No one can beat Lambda!

Wyatt Russell
Wyatt Russell

Not cool, Orange Juice gives me PTSD.

Leo Diaz
Leo Diaz

I really wish Black Battler had been fleshed out more. I honestly all along wanted Battler to be the culprit so I was excited to see a scenario where he was.

Robert Cook
Robert Cook

Does the Steam release have the same music as the PS3?

Levi Mitchell
Levi Mitchell

I want to lewd Maria.

Justin Johnson
Justin Johnson

Scans of this series never

Jason Perry
Jason Perry

Battler was no longer the detective, Erika was. Her role was to solve them, not Battler's.
I worded it poorly. Erika's solving wasn't the main point of these games. Battler had a lot of shit going on, which seemed like the focus. In EP5, Erika's job wasn't to solve the game, it was to frame Natsuhi.

How? Aside from Lion, there was no change in the pieces or setting.
Kinzo was alive and willing to respond to any question. Will was able to get all the answers he wanted. If Erika had no ulterior goals like she had in EP5 and EP6 (defeating Battler rather than solving Rokkenjima), things could've been different. I doubt Erika wouldn't solve her own EP7.

Read again. She did knew what happened in the previous games.
I guess I can't deny this, but it's hard to believe she knew everything.

Luke Thomas
Luke Thomas

>>141853102
In EP5, Erika's job wasn't to solve the game
Again, the role of the detective, as in the person that has to solve the mystery, was taken away from Battler and given to Erika. And while is true that from a story perspective Battler still has the focus and is still trying to solve the mystery (from a meta perspective, at least), from a game perspective Erika is, by all means, the detective.

Kinzo was alive and willing to respond to any question.
And yet most of the things he did were already known by the siblings (and he ended up lying anyways, so...).

Will was able to get all the answers he wanted.
And Erika could have too. She was instantly liked by everyone who weren't Battler, Jessica or Maria, and even had Eva helping her. She even had Shkanontrice in front of her face at one point and discarded it because she thought it was too stupid. It's her own fault she didn't succeed with that much support.

but it's hard to believe she knew everything.
She did. She had a recap for everything that happened until that point, thanks to Bernkastel. Also, she is Bern's self-insert, so it makes sense she has known everything that has happened, since Bern has been around since the beginning.

Alexander White
Alexander White

Spoken like a true 60 IQ.

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

YES PLEASE!

Leo Thompson
Leo Thompson

What if Maria was actually Flandre in disguise? It all makes sense now. The crazyness and shit.

Noah King
Noah King

Nope~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggn8riHTDqw

Carter Hernandez
Carter Hernandez

Meta Battler is Hachijou Tohya's identity as "Battler" that was lost at sea.

Lucas Clark
Lucas Clark

Flan isn't even full-blown crazy, just kinda quirky and unstable.

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

Show me on the Nanako doll where the Orange Juice touched you.

Ryan Carter
Ryan Carter

Why is Battler ranked highly (or at all, really) on power level charts like pic related?
I wouldn't think he had any power at all.

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

Because the chart is complete shit, that's why.

Mason Gomez
Mason Gomez

But they can't be that retarded, can they?

Ian Sanders
Ian Sanders

Umineko OTP tier

Elder God tier
- Battler/Sayo
- Kinzo/Bice
- Touya/Ikuko

Okay tier
- Eva/Hideyoshi

meh tier
- the rest

Dog shit tier
- George/Shannon

Nicholas Clark
Nicholas Clark

LoliAnge/Maria is not meh!

Jackson Sanders
Jackson Sanders

Most of the translations came out very close to the Japanese release of the following episode. Ex. I remember that the EP5 translation came out mere days before EP6 released at comiket. So generally you would have shitstorm threads around comiket each summer/winter with people talking about both the raws of the new release as well as others reading the new translation at the same time. If you're able to find any chiru threads you'll notice that kind of overlap.

Logan Barnes
Logan Barnes

no Lambda/Bern

You fucked up, sir.

Ryan Thomas
Ryan Thomas

What's the deal with Featherine memory device which can turn her into Hanyuu?

Angel Parker
Angel Parker

battler/ronove not in top position
You dun goofed.

Blake Fisher
Blake Fisher

Because supernatural bullshit can't hurt him at all
Endless 9 is pretty stronk

Carter White
Carter White

I only like Battler/Sayo when she's Beatrice and not moetrice. Battler/Shannon is shit.
Battler/Erika should be top tier too.

Thanks for the info.

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones

no Battler/Erika
no Battler/Rosa

Tyler Long
Tyler Long

no Battler/Erika
Good taste ano-

no Battler/Rosa
Literally shit pairing, user why?

Gabriel Reed
Gabriel Reed

no Rudolph/Belphegor
Come on, that's probably the only OTP I actually care about.

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

As far as autistic nerd dens go, that one actually looks good.
Uminekofags based confirmed.

Dominic Long
Dominic Long

Or you can just use the current version which already has all of that in

Connor Bennett
Connor Bennett

The current version is not an official version and thus it doesn't have the same availability level as if it was available on steam at just a couple clicks. Face it, a steam release is a good thing.

Sebastian Phillips
Sebastian Phillips

Toya's hair is white because Battler is actually Kyrie's son right

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

Toya's hair is white because he's a stressed out old man with identity issues.

Liam Gonzalez
Liam Gonzalez

Current version is not an official version
I am pretty sure that ordering straight from 07th expansion is just as official as any localization. Both require mods for voice acting and the PS3 sprites, which would require just as much clicking.

James Parker
James Parker

No, but it's wrong that YOU'RE NOT USING THE ORIGINAL SPRITES REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Jayden Cook
Jayden Cook

he's not even old

Anthony Cruz
Anthony Cruz

Kinzo was the same way when he was about the same age. It looks like it runs in the family.

Dylan Rodriguez
Dylan Rodriguez

I always assumed Kinzo had natural white hair

Alexander Wood
Alexander Wood

That's not the point, the point is having umineko on steam can bring new interest on it and maybe we could see new content thanks to it.

Also having your games on steam's cloud and only at 1 click to install is far better than having to search the web and deal with broken links then follow 6-7 fucking steps to be able to play.

Jayden Miller
Jayden Miller

I am pretty sure that modding the game would work exactly the same way. Look at the mods for the Steam version of Higurashi. None of that is on the steam workshop, all of it requires you to download from a third party website. The Steam Cloud is just tranferring saves after all. And I am dubious that any VN developers would even care about the western localizations and the sales from there, as most of the market is in Japan. Every VN from 07th expansion has been localized by fans at this point, so it is not like it would get Mangagamer to localize otherwise untranslated content. I can't see any new content coming from MG's latest cash in. What they could have done was actually translate a VN that hasn't been translated for 5 years if they really cared about more content.

Hunter Long
Hunter Long

Does anyone know where to get a working download for the ps3fication patch of Hane, the original download link no longer works.

Jaxon Phillips
Jaxon Phillips

Well, considering it's the same as Kinzo's I don't think so, but I did always think he looked oddly similar to Kyrie in that form.

Charles Lee
Charles Lee

uuuu-Take resposibility-uuUUuu

Matthew Nelson
Matthew Nelson

Why is her head so big?

Carter Morgan
Carter Morgan

Big brain

Jason Richardson
Jason Richardson

You forgot best pairing: Those two were simply made for each other.

Also, no Mammon / Ange.

Lincoln Sanchez
Lincoln Sanchez

Post things that perfectly describe Umineko characters without actually being related to Umineko.

Kinzo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3USff2ITpc

Levi Perez
Levi Perez

Erika: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/best

Xavier Walker
Xavier Walker

I want to rape Erika and wipe that smug off her face!

Hunter Cruz
Hunter Cruz

I like that text box, link to mod?

Oliver Walker
Oliver Walker

I love how the lewd the manga made this scene.

Julian Kelly
Julian Kelly

Don't you just want to squeeze her shitty arrogant little cheeks?

Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Sanchez

These three rabbits appear in your house and say they are now under contract with you, what the FUCK do you do?

Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

Give them a test, bully them and laugh at their answers until they vanish and then scream like a maniac

Brody Sullivan
Brody Sullivan

Kinzo.

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

These three rabbits appear in your house and say they are now under contract with you, what the FUCK do you do?
Why would I use Winchesters, when I already have Mosin-Nagants that I bought in a bulk?

Adam Thompson
Adam Thompson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PzilquQlBE Uuu Uuu!~~~

Jason Kelly
Jason Kelly

I do what any sane man would do.

Carson Carter
Carson Carter

It makes me sad knowing that no one has made a compilation of the screaming/laughing Kinzo scenes from the VN

Brody Ross
Brody Ross

I'd rather watch her arrogance crumble as she succumbs to the power of the dick.

Wyatt Young
Wyatt Young

The culript in 1-4 is all Yasu, right?

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

Writefags/drawfags pleese

Jordan Carter
Jordan Carter

Yes

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

What a coincidence, it's masturbation time for me, too!

Easton Johnson
Easton Johnson

Accordingly to the official explanation, yes. The problem with it, however, is that the first few chapters were defined by the BT's suggestions and ideas, and after his death R07 skewed the path of the story to fulfill the needs of the ending. The explanation encompasses the entirety of the story, but there are very strong discrepancies between the first 5-6 arcs and the last 2-3 that seem to be pieces that just don't fit that well.

I think that if BT didn't die, the ending would have been entirely different. R07 lost himself is the story and wasn't able to find the exit on his own.

Dylan Wilson
Dylan Wilson

first few chapters were defined by the BT's suggestions and ideas, and after his death R07 skewed the path of the story to fulfill the needs of the ending

[citation needed]

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

Even if the ending was different than what was originally intented, it's still pretty obvious that Yasu was supposed to be the culprint all along

Jonathan Parker
Jonathan Parker

BT was just a beta reader that gave him ideas and helped him avoid goign full retard
Some parts might have been handled differently( probably the "readers are goats" sections and Ep 7 in general) but the rest would have been teh same
BT helped with Ep 4 and r07 still went full retard with some Ange and Maria parts about magic

Nicholas Nguyen
Nicholas Nguyen

I've never understood why people think this. You think if BT hadn't died, the direction of the story would have been any different? The way the story was headed was made very clear by the end of episode 5, and episodes 1-4 have heavy foreshadowing to who the culprit was and the motive, that I couldn't see the story going in any other way. I quite liked Chiru much more so than the original first four arcs, but the way the story went made logical sense to me. It was only when I actually looked up what people thought about Chiru that I heard that most people considered it inferior to the original first four arcs, and were complaining about the direction the story took.

Tell me, if BT hadn't died, what do you think would be different?

Logan Wright
Logan Wright

I did it. Once you figure out that Nanjo isn't a culprit the game becomes much easier.
However at the end I got stumped for a long time between the Battler family or a weird combination of many people (George, Maria and Rosa I think), but in the end I realized that the second one was impossible since there was no way one of those could have commited a crime because of having an alibi for all the crimes, I don't remember which one.

Still it was really well crafted and I wouldn't mind seeing something like that again.

Elijah Sullivan
Elijah Sullivan

and I wouldn't mind seeing something like that again.
There is a manga called Forgery of the Purple Logic, which is exactly that, but translation fucking never

Julian Lee
Julian Lee

The end bit I managed completely on my own. I got a bit stuck on how it could work until I figured out that none of the cousins could have murdered Jessica, and then it it was smooth sailing

The main bit I got stuck on sans clues was that the narration would tell me who was actually dead - since Bern had said something to the effect of all the necessary text is in purple/red, I didn't think there was a point to reading the narration.

Isaac Kelly
Isaac Kelly

I want Erika to listen to me masturbating through a wall

Nicholas Sullivan
Nicholas Sullivan

I quite liked Chiru much more so than the original first four arcs, but the way the story went made logical sense to me. It was only when I actually looked up what people thought about Chiru that I heard that most people considered it inferior to the original first four arcs, and were complaining about the direction the story took.
This. I'd probably rate Chiru higher than 1-4, although I think the high point of the series was 5-6 and that 7 and 8 were a little weak.
I didn't have a problem with any of the revelations or plot in those later episodes though, just some issues with the pacing and how they were revealed.

Hudson Price
Hudson Price

Entry 512: http://07th-expansion.net/Cgi/clip/clip.cgi

KEIYA. "最終考察 うみねこのなく頃に Witch-hunting for the Episode 1-4". Tokyo: ASCII Media Works, ISBN13: 9784048679725. Print.

You think if BT hadn't died, the direction of the story would have been any different?
Not necessarily, but maybe. It's the subject of my MA thesis, and trust me: I spent hundreds of hours on the analysis of logical exactitude in Umineko, and it is highly probable that the direction of the story changed after BT's death. As for:
Tell me, if BT hadn't died, what do you think would be different?
I didn't theorycraft on this matter. It might be possible that initially the story was meant to be meta-dampened or clear in making its points. I don't know. Again, "what ifs" were not the subject of my research.

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Sup nerds! I just have one quick question: Trianthology. Are there any news?

Jayden Campbell
Jayden Campbell

Seems like it will be released at Comiket

Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

Really? When???

Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

Comiket is August 12-14

Thomas Harris
Thomas Harris

???
Get the fuck out.

Cameron Martin
Cameron Martin

Oh, an eternity. Thank you anyway, Helpy Helperton :) Can't wait!
Night-night, Grumpy.

Charles James
Charles James

Umineko sprites make for pretty good reaction images. Anyone know where to find the higher res ones like and

I have the ones on the wiki but they're smaller than I'd like.

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

I really can't imagine the story taking a different path to the one it took.
Telling things in a somewhat different way and order, sure, but I think the "answers" fit the "questions" perfectly and it all seemed to fit the path it had taken from the start.

Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

My dream is for Erika to dominate me intellectually while I resort to brute force and attack her with my dick!

Carter Johnson
Carter Johnson

I think Umineko told a better and more interesting story, but Higurashi had more likable and memorable characters. Different strokes overall.

Hudson Perry
Hudson Perry

That feeling off reading the VN the first time is something I miss. Atleast back before it became shit. The first two arcs are really good, after that it kinda drops the ball but it has its moments before arc7 completely destroys it.

I think the biggest issue Umineko had was its ever growing cast. You already start with a big family, then you get Beatrice servants and the stakes, Lambda and Bernkastel, erika, the bunnies and so on and on and on to the point it felt that there was just too many things going on at once.

And then they tried to fit al that in an anime where they had to rush everything and it ends up being a disaster.

In that aspect I atleast liked Higurashi more. While also a tad rushed in the anime, we got several shows for the question and answer arcs.

Adrian Adams
Adrian Adams

See:
/jp/thread/15174023#p15274387

It's not Umineko that has many characters, but visual novels that have very few. A regular novel series (somewhat larger in terms of volume) The Malazan Book of the Fallen spans hundreds of characters, and it doesn't bother most people. Umineko has a sizable cast for a vn, but every character is fleshed out and given some attention. The only episode that some may consider lacklustre is the 7th one.

Asher Howard
Asher Howard

This is a pretty good chart, I only disagree with the EP5 ???. "OK, apparently Battler has figured everything out already, and he's gonna extend the game by using the uncertainty about his parents". It's nowhere near the previous 2 episodes' peaks, even the final confrontation in 6 was more hype. Then again, I find 5 to be very overrated in general.

Caleb Green
Caleb Green

It's the subject of my MA thesis
I hope you guys don't seriously do this.

Julian Morris
Julian Morris

Did people really like the episode 7 conclusion with Will?
I just couldn't give a fuck.
I'd also put EP2 overall lower and EP6 overall higher.

Oliver Myers
Oliver Myers

You don't think like it is, but they do.
http://ubt.opus.hbz-nrw.de/volltexte/2015/944/pdf/Maser_Beautiful_and_Innocent.pdf

Andrew Anderson
Andrew Anderson

Higurashi thread on front page
Scroll down
Umineko thread on front page
Today's a good day

I prefer Umineko to Higurashi almost whole-heartedly but that's because I love classical mystery and logic battles. I also think that Umineko's highs and lows are more extreme than Higurashi. So while Higurashi's more consistent for sure, Umineko reaches greater heights.

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

Could have been worse
http://www.academia.edu/3620074/Life_Death_and_the_Path_to_Enlightenment_Buddhist_Symbolism_in_the_Manga_Bleach_

Sebastian Foster
Sebastian Foster

Ange's training
that low

Ange's training, bullying, slice of life with the stakes and the Maria flashbacks were some of the best scenes in the entire series.

Easton Wood
Easton Wood

Please tell me that guy was trolling or just not even trying.

The thing about Umineko is that while I agree it has its highs and lows, I find I don't really agree about what those highs and lows are

I hated Ange when I started Ep 4, but I wouldn't rank them that low either. And Maria's flashbacks were all great.

Jonathan Bell
Jonathan Bell

I want to make Erika fall in love with me, propose to her and then when she agrees, tell her it was just a hoax and I never even liked her to begin with.

Brody Ward
Brody Ward

Or you could cheat on her and send her more than enough proof.

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

Kanon was the most suspicious to me all through episode 1, right from when they first arrived at the mansion.

Nathaniel Kelly
Nathaniel Kelly

If Erika just learned from Chiester 410 she'd have been a lot happier. Fuck her love, there's a better one waiting for her out there.

Jonathan Nelson
Jonathan Nelson

Rabbits

Blake Sanchez
Blake Sanchez

Toya's hair is white because he's actually Yasu who is Kinzo's son.

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

But user, women are all crazy. MtF trannies are pretty similar in that respect.

Honestly, if they look like men, use said pronoun, if they look like women, use said pronoun. Easy as that.

Angel Garcia
Angel Garcia

not including best rabbit

She even died trying to protect you user.

Grayson Murphy
Grayson Murphy

Not my fault!

Tyler Perez
Tyler Perez

Why is he so best?

Colton Nguyen
Colton Nguyen

But Rudolph killed like 3 people with her

Asher White
Asher White

Higurashi is definitely better than Umineko but Umineko has higher peaks. Episodes 6 and 8 of Umineko are just complete fucking trash. I blame Ange.

Benjamin Peterson
Benjamin Peterson

Because he knew how a marriage was supposed to operate.

Evan Moore
Evan Moore

Like the other Chiester Sisters, 556 was named after a firearm round, here being the 5.56x45mm NATO assault rifle round.
I don't remember Rudolf using an assault rifle

Sebastian Ramirez
Sebastian Ramirez

NATSUHI
IS
BEST
GIRL

Liam Powell
Liam Powell

LION/YASU BEST GIRL

Mostly because I can partially relate to some of her problems because I'm trans. Legitimately, like had-dysphoria-since-I-was-in-primary-school legitimate.

Nathaniel Fisher
Nathaniel Fisher

Nobody cares about your personal issues.

/lgbt/

Oliver Sullivan
Oliver Sullivan

The entire thing with Ange is hugely important.

That part of EP4 showed two miserable people and how they used "magic" to cope.

Yet it seems to me that nobody ever went and asked "What does this mean for Beatrice?"

Elijah Clark
Elijah Clark

Did Ougon Musou ever get an english translation?

Xavier Evans
Xavier Evans

GIRL
But I agree, Yasu certainly is best boy

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

Maria's crown
It means King/Queen in chess
100% headcanon

Caleb Hernandez
Caleb Hernandez

How old is Amakusa? If he was a Yamainu member during Higurashi (in 1983), then he must be way older than he looks in 1998

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

Probably in his 30s

Alexander Wood
Alexander Wood

He was 15 in Higurashi and 18 at the time of the Rokkenjima incident.

Battler wasn't actually living with his grandparents. He had actually joined Okonogi's Mountain Dogs. When Okonogi decided to kill the Ushiromiya family, all he had to do was give Battler the order.

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

Battler didn't kill anyone.

Joshua Russell
Joshua Russell

Then explain this, you fucking hack!

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

Which one of those treats best symbolizes ΛΔ?

Nicholas Flores
Nicholas Flores

This book is better but Umineko might've been better if it hadn't gone off the rails in Chiru.

Joseph Reed
Joseph Reed

None because Lambdadelta is a witch.

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

The sweetest one

Eli Edwards
Eli Edwards

Chiru is the logical end to how the Question Arcs went.

Charles Howard
Charles Howard

not at all

Tyler Russell
Tyler Russell

Gonna agree with this.

When Umineko peaks it is better than anything I ever read. But it toes a fine line between pure garbage and pure genius. Just try and write the plot out and see how it sounds. Ryukishi pulled it off in the first half of the novel. Then he dragged it out in Chiru. When Umineko gets bad, it gets REALLY bad. Where other stories might just get boring or lose focus, Umineko has stuff like the wedding scene in episode 6(one of the most unenjoyable things I ever had the displeasure of reading).

Even having enjoyed the better parts of the novel, I don't think I could ever recommend it knowing this stuff is in there.

Hunter Harris
Hunter Harris

Every time.
Why is she so perfect?

Asher Perry
Asher Perry

man this looks awful

James Gomez
James Gomez

so, what really happened? I think the game that got stopped in EP7 was what really happened.

Liam Long
Liam Long

The threads were half the fun.

Even still, the peaks justify everything else, in my opinon. The peaks far surpass the greatest peaks I've read in any and all sorts of literature throughout my entire life. The characters are down-to-earth and very believable, the voice acting is ridiculously well done, and the general memorability, creativity and uniqueness of basically everything is amazing.

Sure, the weak points are garbage, usually the beginning of chapters, but even still.

I guess it mostly depends if you're a glass half-full or half-empty kind of guy.

Nathan Lee
Nathan Lee

Manga showed that EP7's tea party where Kyrie and Rudolf slaughtered everyone was the truth that Eva wrote in her diary.

Jace Peterson
Jace Peterson

Chiru is the logical end of nothing and is an overall mess that goes on too long when the story only needed 1 or 2 more episodes anyway.

Among other things, Chiru has no clear villain even. How it that a logical follow up to the first 4? It barely focuses on the island half the time and has inane shit like trap twins, it is off the fucking rails. I still don't know why the game even continues in 5 after Beatrice is gone anyway. And Battler just randomly figures the game out at some point without anything shown to the reader. And the story just keeps going.

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

manga showed
well now.

Parker Roberts
Parker Roberts

I'd say it is like drinking a glass of something delicious, then towards the bottom it starts tasting really bad, then when you get down to the bottom it is just shit down there. And the waiter asks me to rate the drink. Well, obviously it was still fucking shit. Although it started off good.

Dominic Reed
Dominic Reed

But Lion doesn't have gender dysphoria like Yasu has.

Lucas Richardson
Lucas Richardson

I just finished Higurashi. I watched the anime when I was younger, but I figured it was about time to give the original a shot.

Fuck yeah Akasaka. Seriously, best boy.

That's because she's actually a girl.

Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor

That's because she's actually a girl

Oh boy here we go again

Nolan Butler
Nolan Butler

the reason george want shanon is because he want better than battler?

Wyatt Powell
Wyatt Powell

white hair
cross
Ange's protector
Man, I was so fucking convinced this asshole was going to be 'the real Ushiromiya Battler' that they were pushing so much back in EP4. Like everything else in the series, I got trolled hard.

Mason Jones
Mason Jones

Once you've drank 3/4 of the glass already, and you're still relatively thirsty, you keep going. And in the end, even if parts of the drink tasted like shit, the parts you remember are the delicious ones.

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

What was the deal with George anyway? Was he ever clarified more in other media like the manga? Earlier episodes seem to actually make him seem popular.

I thought George was supposed to have originally been a fedora who sucked up to women or whatever but he had gotten over it by the time the Rokkenjima incident already started. It's been years, but wasn't there a scene where he admitted he had been like that or something.

Later episodes seem to go back on that and make him out as a big fat faggot no one really liked after all. What was up with him? And did he hide the letter?

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