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Ryder Morris
Ryder Morris

I want to thank whichever user called me out on being a faggot for dismissing Shotaro Ishinomori's artwork as a bad Tezuka copy based on the Kikaider manga, where the art was actually credited to his assistants. The guy was really good and his actual manga-making skill is definitely underrated.

I'd love to read Banchou Wakusei, but since that one's not translated I'm reading Cyborg 009 as it's one of those super-popular franchises I never paid attention to in the past and it kicks ass so far.

All urls found in this thread:
http://forestofstone.tumblr.com/post/125974267909/shotaro-ishinomori-the-king-of-manga
http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/235412/volume1/
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=92167&st=0&p=2197950&#entry2197950
https://mega.nz/#F!9NZHiKiB!MhfMSn3CVdss-nzs89q4wA
http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/special/st/ishinomori_digital.asp
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=6699
Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

the paneling in this manga...

Mason Reed
Mason Reed

...is really...

Christian Edwards
Christian Edwards

...fucking...

Zachary Gomez
Zachary Gomez

...good.

Kayden Robinson
Kayden Robinson

Also, Ishinomori's 60s writing was less redundant than Tezuka's. 009 doesn't monologue needlessly like Astro Boy does all the time.

I really love Tezuka and Astro Boy but those who call him a "literary master" are dumb. His ideas & visual execution were great fun but the way his monologuing, dialogue & narration were worded was by far the worst element of all his work. He had trouble just letting a drawing speak for itself.

Michael Ramirez
Michael Ramirez

Some of these panel layouts feel really ahead of their time. I could see something like this in a modern fighting shonen easily.

Jose Robinson
Jose Robinson

Banchou Wakusei looks so awesome I want someone to pick it up and translate it

Angel Sullivan
Angel Sullivan

Also Henshin Ninja Arashi looks cool as fuck and shows Ishinomori was pretty versatile

Dylan Thompson
Dylan Thompson

So yeah I'm sorry for every instance of me ignorantly bad mouthing this guy lying in the archives. He was cool

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

There are too many stand-out pages to post in his manga.

Caleb Harris
Caleb Harris

He liked doing this multiplication effect a lot in action scenes.

Hunter James
Hunter James

everything about this page is giving me chills, what talent and vision

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

I actually think he was better than Tezuka at doing both super-cartoony art and more serious looking stuff. Henshin Ninja Arashi is very different when you compare it to Banchou or Cyborg but it's also very well done.

Meanwhile I think Tezuka's cartoony stuff is awesome, but MW which is his least cartoony manga that I've read looked really fucking bland. I think he realized he was bad at downplayed & more realistic stuff because Adolf was one of his last seinen works and it had lots of exaggerated expressions, poses etc. Ode to Kirihito also works for the same reason, the story is serious but the art is fun and stylized.

Jason Walker
Jason Walker

This character IMO summarizes everything artistically wrong with MW. It feels like Tezuka trying to draw one of his usual screw-nosed character in a more 'serious' way and just ends up looking stupid, not in a charming fun Astro Boy way but in a bad way.

Mason Ortiz
Mason Ortiz

Meanwhile in Adolf he stopped lying to himself and got back to what he was actually good at drawing

Gavin Martin
Gavin Martin

bumping my dead gay thread one last time

Connor Gomez
Connor Gomez

He had trouble just letting a drawing speak for itself.
Not in Black Jack he didn't.

Ethan Wood
Ethan Wood

Probably I really cliche answer but I'm a big fan of Go Nagai
I own a bilingual edition of Vol 1 of Devilman and wish I could find the rest (apparently rare)

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

Black Jack is far better about it but even that one has redundant moments. You're right though, there are more subtle moments. For example here, if this were 60s Tezuka Jack would be saying "OH NO I WANTED TO SAVE THIS MAN'S LIFE TO HAVE A TRUE RIVAL BUT HE HAS LOST HIS FINGERS AND CAN NOT PERFORM SURGERY ANYMORE. THAT MAKES ME A SAD PERSON."

Isaac Hill
Isaac Hill

Devilman was my first 70s manga and yeah it's good stuff. I wish Violence Jack got fully translated though; the OVAs are shit but the manga is a far better follow-up to it than Devilman Lady and has some fantastic moments.
Or this moment. One of my favorite Tezuka chapter endings.

Jason Wilson
Jason Wilson

Here's a fun story about a 16-17 year old Ishinomori from Tezuka.

Bentley Evans
Bentley Evans

And some of teenage Ishinomori's hatched drawings from that chapter.

Wyatt King
Wyatt King

it's pretty observantly different from the way Tezuka drew

Henry Jones
Henry Jones

Check out Sabu and Ichi when you can. The panelling in that is quite something. The Way of Ryu also has some fantastic artwork.

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

Ishinomori was actually the first to make use of silent panels in manga. The manga considered his first masterpiece is called Ryujin Numa and it's also translated. That and Fantasy World Jun reportedly made Tezuka jealous at the time. Tezuka and Ishinomori were friends, but eventually Tezuka became more and more bitter towards him, especially during his "depression" era a few years before Black Jack. Tezuka later apologised for everything he has done and they kept in good terms up to the day he died. If you're interested in learning more about Ishinomori, I recommend reading this article:

http://forestofstone.tumblr.com/post/125974267909/shotaro-ishinomori-the-king-of-manga

Jackson Turner
Jackson Turner

Old is best

Adam Diaz
Adam Diaz

Bump

Colton Reed
Colton Reed

I knew Tezuka shat on him but I didn't know he apologized; that's pretty nice of him.

Some of Tezuka's controversial criticism was spot on (Otomo peaked with Akira and hasn't done anything iconic since then) but Ishinomori was a great guy with a huge legacy.
I'm totally new to his work (literally a month or so ago an user called me out on being wrong about him) so thanks for the recs.

The bizarre thing is that long ago, around 2007, I saw some Cyborg 009 scans on Sup Forums and thought it looked cool but back then they weren't available online for free. And I also read the little story at the end of Kamen Rider Zo about what a great, classically-trained artist Ishinomori was. But for whatever reason I forgot about both and kept on judging by that mediocre assistant art.

Jace Nelson
Jace Nelson

Just skimming through these recs I'm realizing more and more how versatile this guy was.

Jace Perez
Jace Perez

ded thread

I wish there was a dedicated TL for older stuff, mainly the Garo magazine that's being scanned now by that user.

Brayden Hill
Brayden Hill

And yeah, he used silent pages really well.

Juan Clark
Juan Clark

JUN was pretty masturbatory to be honest. Sure, some interesting panelling, but I don't really blame Tezuka.

The entire thing wrong with MW is Tezuka trying to push himself through a square hole, not his characters.

Happyscans (regardless of what kind of job they do) still translates a lot of it.

peaked with Akira
Don't make me laugh. Akira wasn't the peak of anything. Akira was the peak of pandering to the masses. Only the west saw a series worth jacking off over. It has none of the hallmarks of his dry humour that makes him actually famous.

Ian Smith
Ian Smith

humour
That and his attention to realism.

Oliver Mitchell
Oliver Mitchell

I'm not bothered by Jun's brand of artsiness at all but so far the scanlation is really fucking shitty.

Colton James
Colton James

But I guess it's fine since so much of it is totally wordless.

Oh and
JUN was pretty masturbatory to be honest. Sure, some interesting panelling, but I don't really blame Tezuka.

As much as I love the guy, Tezuka unironically called Koji Nanke "Japan's greatest living animator". He doesn't really get to shit on Ishinomori for being wanky & artsy.

Adrian Moore
Adrian Moore

Will 009 scans ever be finished?

Noah Murphy
Noah Murphy

this page owns

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

Ochanomizu pulling a gun on Astro

Jesus. Seems a bit out of character for him, he really doesn't do things that drastically.

Asher Peterson
Asher Peterson

I know I've said this a million times ITT but god damn was Ishinomori versatile.

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

is that netero and the dark continent

that looks like a reality marble

Christian Brown
Christian Brown

I guess you could say Jun is pretentious wannabe-deep shit or whatever and make some totally accurate criticisms in the process, but it manages to create some great atmosphere.

Alexander Cruz
Alexander Cruz

good page but fuck the translator's note shit

Angel Wilson
Angel Wilson

crap I meant to post this instead

Nolan Young
Nolan Young

I love the stylistic variety in Jun so much

John Sullivan
John Sullivan

One last bump before going to sleep to say that I really like the way he drew the lizards here

Asher Walker
Asher Walker

I really like Shimamoto Kazuhiko's works. Wouldn't call them technical masterpieces, but they're enjoyable in their own right. Not as old as the rest of the stuff in this thread, though.

Austin Butler
Austin Butler

Fuck it, I'm at the computer again god DAMMIT.

I want to say another thing: while there are plenty of valid criticisms to be thrown at 'deep, poetic, surreal' works like Jun, I think part of it may have been butthurt from Tezuka. Butthurt that Ishinomori beat him at non-redundant writing, in both the "surreal artsy work" category AND the "robot fighting" category. He could be subtle in both his mainstream works and the 'out there' stuff.

Even as far as Adolf, which I thought was a good manga with great art (both serious and cartoony) and a great message of "reality is too complicated for an 'eternal victim' and 'eternal oppressor' dichotomy", Tezuka still suffered from the same redundancy issues.

So as a man who's always had this flaw, I could imagine Tezuka being bothered that Ishinomori could get across so much atmosphere and emotion through pure imagery. And when he dedicates an ENTIRE MANGA to just that, he may have reached peak jealousy.

Once again I'm not saying "don't criticize Jun", but I think those that say jealousy played a part might have a point.

For the record I love both Tezuka and Ishinomori. Tezuka was a smug ass, but his assholery reminds me of my assholery so I deal with it easier.

Logan Howard
Logan Howard

Since you brought him up, here's the pages I mentioned from the extra story in the Kamen Rider Zo manga about Ishinomori.

Andrew Harris
Andrew Harris

JUN was pretty masturbatory to be honest. Sure, some interesting panelling, but I don't really blame Tezuka.

I would not blame Tezuka if he was not doing the exact same masturbatory shit. Have you ever watched his experimental films? Or his avant-garde manga? Tezuka was much worse at it. He was indeed jealous, his reason for disliking it is because he wish he could have done it himself not because he thought it was pretentious. That was what Tezuka was aiming for at the time.

Christopher Perez
Christopher Perez

Happy Scans/Hokuto no Gun seems to have not done anything Ishinomori in years. It's a mystery right now if they will ever get back at it. I wish to see the rest of the Ryu trilogy(which includes Banchou Wakusei) one day.

Bentley Stewart
Bentley Stewart

Which avant-garde manga are you talking about? Because as far as he's concerned, his 'avant-garde' is effectively mainstream anyways.

Personally, I think his jealousy towards Otomo is much more well-founded. Otomo criticized Tezuka for being outdated and outmoded. If there was anyone he was to be jealous of, it was his contemporaries, not those he worked with.

I think a lot of people would disagree with you on his animation. It is an entire shitfest, but in a way much more detached than his manga, he was going it alone. I don't think he succeeded at it, but I don't think that little was learnt in his time making them.

If there was anything Tezuka was guilty of, I think it would be pride, not jealousy.

Liam Collins
Liam Collins

In my mind, part of the reason JUN comes off so poorly is not because the of the imagery, but because of the text.

Noah Brooks
Noah Brooks

Is the art this good all the way trough?

Dylan Gonzalez
Dylan Gonzalez

This is one of Shimamoto's wacky zany mangaka stories, sure, but I have no reason to believe the part about the teenage Ishinomori sketches was not based on fact.

Given the quality and solidity of his 1955 Astro Boy drawings back when he was only 16 or 17, it's obvious the man was classically trained and had already done life drawing, studied perspective etc, and I would not be surprised if the amazing detailed life drawings they showed were ACTUALLY Ishinomori's teenage drawings.

Basically people who think the cartooniness of Cyborg 009 or Banchou Wakusei was because he couldn't draw anything more solid and realistic and detailed are wrong and dumb.

sadly I actually had a similar accusation at first, that he just learned to draw from Tezuka and lacked proper artistic training. That was obviously complete and utter bullshit too and I'm glad I got called out and lost the argument because I got some kick-ass, inspiring manga out of it. I mean, looking at Ishinomori's stuff actually makes me want to draw myself more and that's the best possible effect a manga can have on me.

tl;dr MALtier people who look at the Cyborg 009 manga and think "lol this guy couldn't draw back then" are wrong as fuck and the dude had high-level understanding of art before he even became 18.

Robert Lee
Robert Lee

I dunno, an user posted them from some pay-to-read japanese site and refused to offer anything else

Lincoln Murphy
Lincoln Murphy

I wish he just would have toned down the bug eyes.

Lincoln Hernandez
Lincoln Hernandez

I think it's unfair to judge the writing based on a shit scanlation. Maybe it was written beautifully in the original; how can you know?

Cleopatra is stupid and ugly but 1001 Nights has some genuinely really good scenes in it (don't watch it if you get triggered by tezuka's furry transformation fetish). It's also not as "out there" as Jun at all and was a success.

Nicholas Taylor
Nicholas Taylor

I have only checked out Blazing Transfer Student by him and wasn't a fan of anything but the comedy, it can be very funny, it's a shame it doesn't focus on that instead of all the mindless and dull action.

Same thing with Miyashita Akira, great comedy but instead focuses on the generic battles, I assume they weren't as generic at the time but still, you get what I'm saying.

Ayden Rodriguez
Ayden Rodriguez

Keep the thread going and I might post at least up to the end of chapter 1.

Carter Brooks
Carter Brooks

Except a majority of the text being effectively a meaningless diatribe. I don't think a translator has anything to do with that.

triggered
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry here.

Jeremiah Nguyen
Jeremiah Nguyen

009's eyes bothered me too at first, but now I think they're great; it makes him look creepy and shocked at the same time, and that's perfectly fitting for a super destructive human weapon that doesn't want to be a super destructive human weapon.

David Russell
David Russell

I used it ironically (comparing seeing furry fanservice to post-war or rape trauma); Sup Forums culture hasn't gotten THAT retarded yet
The lower right here is such a weird fucking face, and I think it was totally intentional; he's meant to look freaky and weird and 'off' in that drawing.

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

oh and
Except a majority of the text being effectively a meaningless diatribe
Even something beaningless can be beautiful if it is worded in a particularly poetic and impressive way.

Aaron King
Aaron King

I figured as much. The fact that words which used to make complete sense as well as be innocuous, can no longer be the case makes me wonder what sort of limited vocabulary this place stands to have with everything taboo.

That may be the case, but it's more a question of relevance.

Mason Carter
Mason Carter

Shitstorming aside, can we agree that Tezuka and Ishinomori both did their fair share of cool shit throughout their lives?

What this fair share represents doesn't matter because it varies from person to person and taste exists, but I mean in general.

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

Honestly, the whole thing seems to be a stream-of-consciousness work where "relevance" doesn't play much of a part. Jun reminds me of the weird nights when I overdose on sleeping pills and experience a weird half-awake dream-like state where ideas just go in and out of my head chaotically. Ishinomori managed to put that feeling on paper and that's pretty cool.

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

Please post it. I'll probably have to go to sleep soon so I won't be able to OP-bump anymore. I'll try to direct some oldschool manga friends to it to keep it alive instead.

I REALLY want to see more of this, it's like early Cyborg 009's cartooniness but totally refined in the 70s.

Grayson Harris
Grayson Harris

You're the best, user

sent me

Charles Collins
Charles Collins

Ok, I skipped some pages at first so I'm posting the whole thing again. So this will be at least the complete first chapter.

Benjamin Cruz
Benjamin Cruz

you are awesome, thank you

Jaxon Gomez
Jaxon Gomez

People can argue without it being a shitstorm.

I can agree they both did some pretty cool shit. The way I see it, it can even be a frame of mind that influences how you receive a series. I was trying read Sabu to Ichi, and I just couldn't do it then because I didn't feel like I'd enjoy it right at that moment. I will come back to it, but I haven't decided when that should be.

Chronically life, you can say that a diary has many similar analogs. For a lot of people, the greatest value and meaning to a diary is kept to oneself. Sharing it can have little meaning to others, or only a select few. It's probably much the same reason that a number of auto-biographies seem self-important.

Parker Davis
Parker Davis

*Chronicling

Isaac Perry
Isaac Perry

Hokuto no Gun might not ever get back to it at this rate. There was a Tumblr user translating, yeah I know, Tumblr. But everything with Ishinomori has kind of been dead on that platform so it's something that isn't to be.

Logan Young
Logan Young

was trying read Sabu to Ichi, and I just couldn't do it then because I didn't feel like I'd enjoy it right at that moment
This happened to me too but eventually it turned into full-blown depression where it's like that with everything 99% of the time so eh

but getting into Tezuka and Ishinomori did give me some moments of inspiration and positivity

Evan Bell
Evan Bell

Saved, damn that's nice.

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

If you guys haven't read anything by Yoshihiro Tatsumi, you should. A Drifting Life is his masterpiece, but everything else he did is also very good. He focused a lot on short, noirish stories so you don't have to worry about reading his stuff in any particular order either.

A Drifting Life is his autobiographical manga and he even meets Tezuka in it.

Matthew Williams
Matthew Williams

Oh yeah you have to read his english translations american style instead of Japanese because they flipped his manga, but he was part of the process and oversaw it so that it was to his standards. Don't let that stop you from reading his stuff.

Eli Torres
Eli Torres

I made the mistake of starting with Abandon the Old. Some of the stories were good but the dog-whore crying with dramatic shading on its face after getting fucked by Pathetic Guy of the Week #whatever made me laugh out loud and it spoiled the atmosphere.

I saw a one-shot he did about two guys stuck in snowy mountains or something to that effect, what was that one called? I might read it, it looked interesting.

Julian Sanchez
Julian Sanchez

That's Black Blizzard, it was his first major manga.

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

Just a reminder. Up to this point, all these pages were originally published in color (and I don`t have access to the original Shonen Champion print), so there will be some noticeable differences in the print quality as the rest of it was in traditional black and white.

Ian Gray
Ian Gray

Personally I would try to read his three collection in order or reverse chronological, merely to see the change in the tone of his stories.

Which isn't what I would have recommended. Starting with Goodbye, or even Pushman would have been preferable I think.

Jackson Perry
Jackson Perry

That sort of touches on what I think Tezuka took issue with. JUN seems like something not for other people, but for himself. Masturbation is perfectly healthy, but I'll be damned if you make me sit through someone else doing it.

Lucas Foster
Lucas Foster

I figured something looked off about them. Are there any collections that publish the color versions?

Jacob Robinson
Jacob Robinson

There's an AX memorial issue for him that I plan on scanning.

Adam Ross
Adam Ross

Getting a bit out of topic here, I was reading Karakuri Circus by Kazuhiro Fujita and this page (and the chapter, 215, as a whole) struck me as having great panelling. It's by no means a masterpiece, but it seems that over time the art got rather refined, in it's crude manner (if that makes any sense).

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

Fujita's art kicks ass. I still gotta read the Ushio & Tora manga.

Lucas Rodriguez
Lucas Rodriguez

What qualifies as "old manga"? Does something that started in 1976 but is still on-going count as old?

Ian Harris
Ian Harris

I really don't know. These scans are from the Ishinomori Complete Collection, but there's a few other reprints for Banchou Wakusei and the entire Ryu triology. If the Fukkan editions eventually decide to do those, you can count on that. Their last release was Robot Keiji (which is also translated and worth checking out, by the way), so they're still releasing Ishinomori's classic in deluxe hardcover editions.

Levi Cox
Levi Cox

The same counts for Golgo. Although the difference being he didn't take any large breaks.

Chase Peterson
Chase Peterson

Just noticed I skipped these pages by accident. Be sure to check by t

Caleb Butler
Caleb Butler

*by the numbers

Isaac Rogers
Isaac Rogers

I'm not the OP, but I was thinking that it's more about the style that the date per se. It seems to me that manga written during the 90's and before would be fair game.

Jayden Collins
Jayden Collins

See here:

William Bell
William Bell

I'd like to see that when you scan it.

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

Sorry again, I messed up again.

Adam Allen
Adam Allen

Whoa, that really was awesome, I have to read it now, thank you user

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

Ok. This is the end of the prologue chapter. Unfortunately, this is as far as I can do for now. This manga is 5 volumes long. If anyone might be interested or at least know someone who could do it, I would gladly provide RAWs for a scanlation project. Getting this manga translated is something I really want to do, but I just don't have the time for it right now.

And remember, Banchou Wakusei is the third entry in the Ryu trilogy. The first one is called Ryuu no Michi/The Way of Ryu and it was already translated by Happy Scans. So you can go and check it out at anytime.

Andrew Roberts
Andrew Roberts

I dunno. Maybe it's the Seinfeld effect, but none of this really looks very special. Doesn't look "bad", but I guess all the stuff that was innovative about it is now industry standard.

Easton Hill
Easton Hill

I wish cartoony drawing like this was the industry standard.

The only modern show that looks remotely like 009 is Kaiba, and that was a deliberate reference.

Connor Young
Connor Young

couldn't you just upload the full raws somewhere/

Eli Wright
Eli Wright

These are not full RAWs you can just download, I literally took printscreens from every page and it took me long enough to do just one chapter.

Isaac James
Isaac James

I'd say it's far from industry standard. Not to diminish current manga, but certainly current trends have little in common with older ones. Certainly, mangas are more streamlined today - and that undoubtedly carries its advantages. But some of that raw passion, that freedom of style seems to have been lost, and I'd say it's for the worse (though not entirely and not on all current works; just look at Rensuke Oshikiri's stuff).

Henry Thomas
Henry Thomas

I wouldn't say panel layouts as good as that plane scene I posted is the standard these days. But yeah, I'll admit that some of what makes it impressive is "holy shit, I could see this shot in a modern shonen today and it's from 1964!". That actually adds to the fun of something instead of making it 'dated' and 'lesser'. I enjoy absorbing the historical relevance of a work.

I think Ishinomori was particularly cool because he drew in a ton of styles and make them all work.

And as said, Ishinomori & Tezuka were really good cartoonists (though Ishinomori among other things) and most modern manga authors are not. I'd be surprised if there was a long-running manga with a cartoony style as good as this

Feel free to prove me wrong, by the way.

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

isn't it something you can hack and extract the files? I did that with a yuri doujin earlier.

Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

I don't see how

these are really comparable to modern stuff

Zachary Cox
Zachary Cox

I've got no idea how to do it or if it's even possible with the reader/browser I'm using. I'm sure it would be useful though, if somehow someone could do that.

http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/235412/volume1/

Here's the site and its browser/reader I've been using for these uploads, if you think you can figure how to do all that stuff.

Jonathan Miller
Jonathan Miller

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=92167&st=0&p=2197950&#entry2197950 maybe this would help

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

OK, might give this thing shot in a while

David Hall
David Hall

I ripped a bunch of his ebooks. EBJ has them in slightly better quality, though, but they're at least readable. If you want something, I could upload it.

Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

That would be great to see them. Go on ahead, please.

Elijah Lewis
Elijah Lewis

Haven't seen anyone mention Mizuki Shigeru, strangely enough.
He's up there with Yokoyama, Ishinomori and Nagai as far as '60s manga artists are concerned.
Onward Towards Our Noble Deaths has top tier art, comparable with the best artists still active today and GeGeGe no Kitaro is such a great manga it's unbelievable thinking it came out in 1965.
3, Street of Mysteries is also a great title, a bit underrated maybe, especially when compared to his other works.

Lincoln Clark
Lincoln Clark

Anyone read HOTEL?

Christopher Williams
Christopher Williams

I guess you could say Jun is pretentious wannabe-deep shit or whatever
I would say dude my sister is dead lmao

Ryan Robinson
Ryan Robinson

I have like 30gb, it'd be easier if you named what you wanted.

Jackson Ward
Jackson Ward

All from the Complete Collection?
OK then, Banchou Wakusei (番長惑星) would be a nice start. Thanks

Juan Bell
Juan Bell

oh fuck that would be so cool

Bentley Lee
Bentley Lee

I'll upload it here.

https://mega.nz/#F!9NZHiKiB!MhfMSn3CVdss-nzs89q4wA

A bit of trivia, there was something released recently that was exclusive to 009's "complete collection". I think it was the ebook set from EBJ? Someone asked me if I had scans, which I don't. I don't remember the details, but you can probably find out about it if you dig.

Charles Gray
Charles Gray

nope that paneling is still western comic tier.

Liam Richardson
Liam Richardson

show me a 60s western comic that does that

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

actually "panel layouts" was a bad wording

more the way they're used. the dramatic, dynamic face shots leading up to the big money shot panel

Adrian Morris
Adrian Morris

I believe that was a remake of the Phantom Dog/Kubikuro chapter done by Sugar Sato (whose current art style looks like ass honestly, but I digress...) Here's the old promotion page, if this is what you're looking for

http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/special/st/ishinomori_digital.asp

Ohhh, and thanks again for the uploads! I might think of a few more I'd want for the moment

Jaxon Russell
Jaxon Russell

It's pretty good, but really episodic. Mostly self-contained stories featuring a semi regular cast but with the focus being on the guest of the week. It's also a really long series, probably second only to Manga History of Japan. There was a really popular Tv show based on it.

Adrian Gray
Adrian Gray

How old are we talking fellas?

Ashita no Joe
Cooking Papa
Professor Munakata
Capeta
Cooking Master Boy
Chinmi
Mister Ajikkou
Jesus!

Noah Morales
Noah Morales

There was a really popular Tv show based on it.

On Hotel? That's interesting.

Asher Jones
Asher Jones

And for us, we can hardly tell what will be considered the 'innovative' and 'visionary' material of tomorrow. Even people handing out the awards can be fooled, so what luck do we have as outsiders from another culture?

Hunter Johnson
Hunter Johnson

Yes. And it lasted for 12 years. Longest running Ishinomori series, more than Kamen Rider, Goranger and Robocon together.

Gavin Allen
Gavin Allen

Could you please upload some of Ishinomori's shoujo works, such as Sarutobi Ecchan (さるとびエッちゃん), Kinnaru Yatsura (気ンなるやつら), Swan Lake (白鳥の湖), and Niji no Ko (にじの子) as well? It would be nice to see them in another format than what I already have

Brandon Williams
Brandon Williams

It's amazing how much shit Tezuka managed to do pull out of spite and/or depression, which he even admits to doing once he got past that phase in his life. Didn't he kill off a boy that looked like Astro in an unrelated Manga that he did for pure shock value and pissed off a bunch of people?

Zachary Morgan
Zachary Morgan

TBS Drama

Mite be cool. I'll look for it, thanks.

Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Sanchez

mangas

I also found that people seem to like the series, but never go out of their way to mention it. I think it's probably one of my favourite Mizuki series. Showa is actually quite nice as well, if only to put a spotlight on the trials of the author.

Jackson Stewart
Jackson Stewart

Uploading.

Evan Jackson
Evan Jackson

Anyone read these manga? Just curious.

Nolan Russell
Nolan Russell

No you're literally the only being on planet Earth to have read them.

Aaron Ross
Aaron Ross

That makes me feel special.

Connor Bell
Connor Bell

Ashita no Joe is the only one I know.

Isaac Perez
Isaac Perez

I've read all of them except Cooking Master Boy.

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

You have good taste user. It's a massive disappointment that Jesus!, Cooking Papa, Ajikkou and Chinmi are forgotten. Been years since they had regular updates.

You should read the rest. If you like a pirate themed manga other than one piece I recommend Full Ahead! Coco.

One old manga about gender bending done right is Family Compo. It's a shame Sup Forums doesn't talk about it.

Another- gem of a manga is called Ii Hito. It's about a pure hearted guy, humanity and retail industry. It's dropped sadly. Not enough resources.

Lucas Brooks
Lucas Brooks

Jesus by YAS?

Dylan Clark
Dylan Clark

https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=6699

Leo Walker
Leo Walker

Chinmi is fucking masterpiece. One of the best MA manga ever.

Lucas Parker
Lucas Parker

Its sequels were being translated last year even though the original is unfinished. Well they're all unfinished and that hurts.

Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

Read Burning Pen by him. It's fucking hilarious.

Mason Price
Mason Price

Yeah, but i got used to my favorite manga being in scanlation hell.

Benjamin Carter
Benjamin Carter

Speaking of Yasuhiko's Jesus, I really, really, really wish that and Joan had better quality scans, considering they're both in colour and Yasuhiko's characters are gorgeous.

Brandon Ross
Brandon Ross

And plebeian series get scanned by the plenty.

Julian Fisher
Julian Fisher

There was another chapter exclusive called Warriors Rest, but it might have been replaced by that special.

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

I'm not sure I can think of many manga which are that close to 'western' panelling. Maybe something I've seen in Garo, but even that's more aesthetic than the actual panelling. Koike or Terada maybe. But they're all still very distinct.

Andrew Hughes
Andrew Hughes

Do you have 009-1?

Carter Lee
Carter Lee

Jabberwocky, Keyman

Ryder Reyes
Ryder Reyes

Seeing Devilman brought up in here, and just been thinking how unfortunate that the Ishinomori company and Dynamic hoped that crossover would spawn interest in the rest of their library and get new anime for both. Didn't it flop greatly? I couldn't make sense of its manga either.

Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

only 18 volumes translated
I hate it when amazingly looking but incomplete manga get posted in this thread.

Wyatt Harris
Wyatt Harris

The manga was pretty mediocre. I think it's my least favorite Yoshitomi manga I've read so far.
The OVAs were really good, though. Solid 9/10.

Nicholas Thomas
Nicholas Thomas

Where were they ripped from anyways?

Matthew Reyes
Matthew Reyes

It didn't flop, it did alright as far as old properties goes these days. It was obviously meant for fans and not would get anyone new interested in it.

Xavier Green
Xavier Green

Looks like the Comixology rip of Tokyopop's release.

Jeremiah James
Jeremiah James

If you're still at it, can you try looking for 魔法世界のジュン? I believe it's a follow up to Fantasy World Jun.

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

What is western panelling considered like anyway? Panelling with a cinematic feel?

Angel Roberts
Angel Roberts

More like the opposite. Manga introduced a number of different animation+cinema based shots, which never existed before it. Tezuka is said to have coined some of them himself, I can't vouch for the veracity of that. Scott McCloud's comic might be enlightening, but there's other more specific examinations into the differences.

Nathan Torres
Nathan Torres

Some american comic strip artists did it before. Floyd Gottfredson was one of them.

Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

Dororo will never be completed
Unless the PS2 game is somehow canon... which would be weird, considering.

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

Depends on what you mean by 'it'. There are some clearly pre and post Tezuka shots. Inspiration by cinema is not a new thing clearly. And people tend to have a habit of copying, regardless of where they're from. So it's never just an independent thing.

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

Someone posted a link to some research (although probably not the most well conducted) looking at how the camera shots differed between the two. Manga had a larger variety of shots and in particular, focused more on the overall picture and including the background. I think the authors pinned that partly to cultural differences, and a preference for subjective interpretations.

I actually really enjoyed Dororo.

Josiah Rivera
Josiah Rivera

For what it's worth, I've seen claims that pic related, Speed Tarou, was the first manga to really incorporate cinematic shots, due to the mangaka having lived in America and seen movies/comics there.

Carson Brown
Carson Brown

If I am to believe A Drifting Life, then Yoshihiro played a big role as well.

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

We're talking about two different eras. This was before Tatsumi was born.

Jace Martinez
Jace Martinez

What does "cinematic" even mean?

Joshua Young
Joshua Young

Inspired by camera techniques used in movies. Varying the distance on different shots, using different angles to capture the feeling, etc.

Levi Gomez
Levi Gomez

So what Tezuka actually did for manga?

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