Elves, orcs, centaurs, etc.

Hunter Evans
Hunter Evans

What happened to classic fantasy in anime?
Remember the sophistication of the genre 10+ years ago with works like Berserk and Lodoss? Why are modern fantasy anime so reliant on the "trapped in an MMO" cliché? What happened to my favorite genre Sup Forums?

All urls found in this thread:
http://syosetu.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY0U2pSRYeg
Joseph Young
Joseph Young

Bumping with fantasy cuties.
inb4 go back to /tg/

Jace Moore
Jace Moore

Anime isn't bad to the ass anymore.

Adrian Clark
Adrian Clark

Anime used to be badass.

Now it's just bad and ass.

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

I concur, good sir.

Christian Parker
Christian Parker

true

we still get a few badass ones in the shonenshit category, but it's weird to think that not so long ago, even cutesy anime for girls had fight scenes and monsters and shit.

Elijah Murphy
Elijah Murphy

Seems someone hasn't been watching anime for decades.

OP is a fag and 0 points.

Parker Gomez
Parker Gomez

Remember the sophistication of the genre 10+ years ago with works like Berserk and Lodoss?
I'm not saying it's less sophisticated than now, but dang son, I hope you're pretending.

Jordan Perez
Jordan Perez

You've excellent taste, but you already should know why we won't get more quality anime. The industry has been in decline since 2005, the quality of the 80's and 90's can't be brought back.

Colton Murphy
Colton Murphy

Pandering to the kid generation and rampant censorship. They realize they can make loads more money with watered down bullshit and feeding it to children than making masterpieces like they used to.

Hudson Collins
Hudson Collins

It isn't about badassery. It's about the lack of love for the genre. The beauty of medieval fantasy has been sapped as of late in favor of MMO-shit. At least there's a few gems in manga like Helck, and Dungeon Meshi (although it's more of a comedy).

Julian Campbell
Julian Campbell

elves
Completely stupid idea, humans with pointy ears only faggots with fetishs would support this horrible excuse for another sapient species.
centaurs
Gross

What annoys about most fanstasy anime is there is no originality its literally copy paste of medieval european crap thats been done many times its stale and horrible. I mean fanstasy should be the most original anime genre since fanstasy doesnt obey logic or reality.

Lincoln Torres
Lincoln Torres

hating elves
Get the hell out of this thread you fucking faggot.

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

Queen's Blade
There's a reason I didn't mention that garbage in the op

Jeremiah Scott
Jeremiah Scott

shit post

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

Now now, we still do get neat stuff here and there, and average production values have increased.

Of course it's usually wasted on shit anime but things are not that grim. What I really miss is the art style of early 90s anime and manga. That's what really matters to me.

Lincoln Butler
Lincoln Butler

sophistication
it's just a different setting, in ONE old anime. Why are you using it as 'representative' of the 80s anime?

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson

Dumping more cute warriors in the meantime.
Every sub-genre has had at least a few gems coming around every couple years but I'm confused as to why this isn't the case with medieval fantasy.
Read Berserk nigger.

Isaac Wood
Isaac Wood

Fantasy isn't about originality it's about wonder. I agree that at this point, simply putting elves and magic in the middle ages isn't enough to be wondrous anymore, but it essentially boils down to DIRECTING, VISUALS and WRITING, not to special snowflake races and bullshit cross-genre ideas.

Levi Evans
Levi Evans

This thread isn't about anything else but fantasy anime buckaroo. I'm talking narrowly on medieval fantasy works and not decades in general.

Christian Cooper
Christian Cooper

But Lodoss was shit? You call it sophisticated, but it was literally just based off of a tabletop campaign

Gavin Perry
Gavin Perry

At least hentai is keeping fantasy alive

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

Read Berserk nigger.
Were we not talking about anime?

Samuel Butler
Samuel Butler

You know why you like this genre. Don't try to deny it.

Ryan Ward
Ryan Ward

Reading the manga gives the series context so they're more or less one work.

Jayden Morgan
Jayden Morgan

Fuck me I love Dungeon Meshi. I combines my love of DnD with my love of good nutrition advice and exercise.

Juan Howard
Juan Howard

Good shit bruv. That gives me hope for the future, as not too many people have kept up with it.

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

You're a funny guy.

Xavier Watson
Xavier Watson

Konosuba and Grimgar were great high fantasy. And don't say it's not fantasy if it's isekai, characters from the real world have been with the genre since pulp days.

Oliver Davis
Oliver Davis

You're a kike

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

While it isn't produced as much as it was in old times, what we got today is just harem fanservice shit. With woman wearing bikinis into battle.
Pic for reasons.

Cooper Garcia
Cooper Garcia

Exactly what I meant nothing but fetish garbage.

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

This picture is everything I hate about fantasy done by the japs.

Meaningless dragons everywhere

over designed characters with every woman in some sort of stupid stockings ZR miniskirt armour

totally bizarre weapons that feel like they have the weight and design intentions of a plastic squirt gun

probably typical ecchi harem shit that's as engaging as a bloated rotting dog if you've jacked off in the past 24 hours.

Chase Moore
Chase Moore

Only people that care about fantasy anymore are basement dwelling neckbeards that have wet-dreams about elves and write webnovels on the internet.

Mason Brown
Mason Brown

No fantasy lovers have a sense of wonder and adventure I get sick of medieval European crap all the time in fantasy series.

Also dragon faggotry.

Luke Howard
Luke Howard

People make what sells and nips want their video games.

Ryan Collins
Ryan Collins

Fedora containment thread

James Richardson
James Richardson

it's definitely true in Jap'n

no self respecting mangaka or original studio makes fantasy these days 90% of them comes from this site

http://syosetu.com/

Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

WoW happened.

Ethan Ortiz
Ethan Ortiz

Berserk is still a thing, you idiot.

Lodoss, Berserk and Slayers were pretty much the only notable "classic fantasy" thing anyways, so you have rose-tinted glasses for something you evidently don't know anything about.

Aiden Reed
Aiden Reed

We've had this topic before but it seems people forgot.

Fantasy was never a big thing in Japan. Modern fantasy in the West is basically Tokien derivatives - in Japan, the non-hentai family tree of fantasy titles are largely derived from Final Fantasy which was based on D&D.

D&D existed but was played by nerds and was not mainstream at all, which is what made Lodoss unique since it was derived from actual D&D play sessions. Kanzaka who wrote Slayers was also a big D&D fag in the '80s and like Lodoss crew basically Japanified D&D.

So if you dislike J-MMO fantasy, too bad because that IS fantasy to most nips. Mythology or history based titles like Berserk, Guin or Spice and Wolf are not the dominant image of fantasy. But then again, to most westerners if it isn't Tolkien or D&D (which is Tolkien) it's not true fantasy anyway.

Henry Hill
Henry Hill

Lodoss war looked good and all but the narrative and characters weren't all that interesting to me.

I'm more drawn to the Slayers/Dragon Half type of fantasy myself

Also I wish Bastard resumed

Caleb Ward
Caleb Ward

ITT: People who think R.A. Salvatore's books are masterpieces of literature

Angel Anderson
Angel Anderson

Lodoss War and Slayers were based on tabletop games though

Nathaniel Morgan
Nathaniel Morgan

Berserk is only a thing here. It's dead and irrelevant in a world not consumed by slavish devotion to an abandoned work, which is basically everywhere not here.

Christopher Roberts
Christopher Roberts

everything made now is written by kids who grew up on MMOs and have zero sense of originality, so they just make shit that's derivative of those games because it's all they have to draw on

Carson Peterson
Carson Peterson

I swear Berserkfags are basically GoTfags (though it's probably the other way around)

Gavin Allen
Gavin Allen

derivative

we're talking about fantasy here
everything of the genre is a Tolkien-derivative

Robert Parker
Robert Parker

sophistication

Most of them played like some awesome DnD campaigns more than sophisticated storytelling, but I loved them regardless. They largely only existed really because of high budget OVAs though, so I doubt we'll see their like again since OVAs aren't very popular anymore. The only decent high fantasy I've seen recently was Dungeon Meshi, and that's not only a manga, it's also mostly about cooking.

Trapped in an MMO "fantasy" is popular because it's very easy to make both into a self insert shitfest, and cram in an uninspired harem and/or school setting to widen your appeal. It's base entertainment for baser viewers, and it's more successful than high fantasy ever was or is so it's here to stay for the foreseeable future.

Yes, I tipped my fedora wildly while writing this, no need to reply with tips.

Landon Peterson
Landon Peterson

yes, that is exactly what he said in his post, thank you for demonstrating your reading ability.

Leo Mitchell
Leo Mitchell

Final Fantasy
not Dragon Quest

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

Ixion Saga was pretty fun.

Nathaniel Ross
Nathaniel Ross

LN fantasy is popular because the source material are amateur webnovels from one site.

so getting the rights to them are cheap and easy and since people are starving for Tolkien fantasy they'll eat it up.

Leo Diaz
Leo Diaz

I would personally like more medieval titles without fantasy tropes. There can be "fantastical" elements like in Spice and Wolf, but none of the fantasy stock or stereotypes are present. It's a medieval title that might have a little too much Japan influence, but it at least feels medieval.

I guess you could say Claymore fits into this paradigm too. It's fantasy, and medieval, but definitely unrelated to D&D or Dragon Quest.

Isaiah Phillips
Isaiah Phillips

Manga just kept the Medieval and removed all the childish fantasy bits.

Brody Williams
Brody Williams

watching fantasy instead of mecha

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

tfw no shows where a sci-fi mech and its pilot get stuck in a fantasy world

Connor Young
Connor Young

there's a series where a guy goes to a fantasy world and makes a mech

two in fact

Christian Hall
Christian Hall

sophistication of the genre
Oh man, you're killing me here.

Levi Wood
Levi Wood

Fantasy as a genre is derivative as fuck, it's not some damned sacred cow.

Blake Rodriguez
Blake Rodriguez

Story and plot driven characters don't sell anymore. Half naked girls and moe are what sells now. It focuses now on the girls and not really anything else. Japan only knows fantasy now really from DQ and final fantasy. /tg/ anime will not be made anymore. MMO bullshit sells because it is relatable whereas just plain fantasy is hard to sell to the current market.

Noah Richardson
Noah Richardson

Western fantasy used in anime pisses me off

They have all manner of youkai and yaoguai from Easf Asian legends, Taoist/Buddhist/Animist mysticism, ninjas, samurai, monks, Kung fu masters, etc

John Barnes
John Barnes

High fantasy just isn't as popular in Nipland, just like mecha to the Western world.

Luke Sullivan
Luke Sullivan

So, all of us?

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

I blame SAO for this.

Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

What went wrong?

Caleb Allen
Caleb Allen

Pandering.

Jayden King
Jayden King

As somebody legit interested in Arthurian shit I can honestly say Type Moon is one of the LEAST bad it can get.

Austin Parker
Austin Parker

I want to hire that little warrior!

Nathaniel Peterson
Nathaniel Peterson

Just animate bathtub fantasy already.

Samuel Butler
Samuel Butler

aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Gavin Collins
Gavin Collins

Oh yeah buddy

Count your blessings Type Moon honest to go takes proper inspiration from the real legends even if they pander it the fuck up.

Noah Nelson
Noah Nelson

nigga fuck you that movie was my childhood

Michael James
Michael James

shit man I'm sorry

Aiden White
Aiden White

my family had that movie and angels in the outfield on the same vhs. I think we taped it or something, so I used to watch both movies consecutively.

Benjamin Perry
Benjamin Perry

taking fantasy anime unironically.
you deserve all of your suffering.
this is why anime only fags are truly brain dead

Oliver Fisher
Oliver Fisher

Well that's animes fault in the first place for not even giving you a reason to take it seriously.
Meanwhile the west has the opposite reason where thanks to Game of Cucks everything is too tryhard and dour. When will it end.

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

pretty much, GoT went sour real quick seriously.

Cameron Campbell
Cameron Campbell

people are talking about western fantasy, but what about eastern fantasy?

Colton Roberts
Colton Roberts

That's a sci-fi cutie, user.

Brandon Diaz
Brandon Diaz

Fantasy was never a big thing in Japan
it was in the late 80s and early 90s
you dont see them in modern anymore, but traditional fantasy do still exist in novel (guin saga for ex). Most are untranslated, and people tend to disregard eastern fantasy too , those thing novel are usually well liked by the old the people over there.

Robert Green
Robert Green

Game of Testicles is barely fantasy to begin with.

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

Konosuba was mmo haremshit.
Dont know about grimgar because I dropped it halfway into first episode

Matthew Baker
Matthew Baker

it's only fantasy in the sense that the fat fuck tried to be 'gritty' and 'realistic' and threw in a bunch of shit that makes no sense with his claims or the world he tried to create

Jack Morris
Jack Morris

What's your ideal fantasy anime, Sup Forums? For me it'd be something among the lines of
Group of adventures all traveling together with different motives (fame, fortune, wanderlust, etc.)
A large chunk of the show focuses on sweeping beautiful shots of the vivid countryside and the cast doing comfy things like camping or fishing
Battles exist and are always well-choreographed, regardless of scale
Party travels to different towns and cities, dealing with all sorts of problems among the citizens and politics
The soundtrack is almost completely orchestral with the sparingly use of guitar for hype/tense moments
Magic exists, but isn't treated as something that can created miracles

Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

The Witcher

That's all

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

Cute dwarves doing cute dwarven things

Samuel Myers
Samuel Myers

Nippon super-nerds have gone from playing D&D to playing MMOs.

Juan Bell
Juan Bell

I want to play The Witcher, but my PC is shit
Life is suffering

Gabriel Ramirez
Gabriel Ramirez

This is so true it makes me depressed, I'll never more get another Akira, Ghost in the shell or Cowboy bebop. Engaging stories, fascinating characters, gritty worlds. All gone, the industry I loved is gone. Now is all moe, harem shit and all the overdone tropes all over and over again.

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

Anything that goes mainstream slowly turns into shit, just look at Star wars right now, everybody is saying in social media that Luke is a trans woman.

David Jackson
David Jackson

It's not completely gone just getting rarer. Don't get me started on the current jap self insert MCs.

Julian Moore
Julian Moore

Honestly I was really excited for Grimgar after the first two or so episodes because I felt like it was going to hit a lot of these buttons - it was pretty, it was comfy, and even if it had vague hints of 'real people sucked into a game world' it was largely in the background and the focus was on a rag-tag group of adventurers trying to make their way from the bottom of the ranks.

Then it went to shit when priest-kun died and the story decided to dwell on it for the next ever, insert songs, pointless drama etc. I think my ideal would be what I thought Grimgar was GOING to be...something with pretty visuals and a comfy party travelling together, exploring, and I actually did like how Grimgar handled fight scenes a lot. Just make it 2-cour with less drama, and more comfy episodic adventures.

Jace Hernandez
Jace Hernandez

ERE anime when

Jordan Ramirez
Jordan Ramirez

I haven't found anything decent since the earlier 2000's. Aside from fmab. Show me what gems you found user? Bonus points for hand draw animation.

William Jackson
William Jackson

It saddens me that not a single anime meets those requirements. Just give me a comfy series that reminds me of a tabletop game and I'm golden. I can't even think of any western animations that meet all of those benchmarks.

Parker Richardson
Parker Richardson

That isn't really surprising. Sex appeal is universally effective, but anime in the '80s and '90s didn't shy away from fanservice and cute girls. The difference is the primary audience now are lonely men who want girly wives, and are perfectly happy to indulge in a one-sided infatuation with one.

To think when FSN came out, this was actually a unique and surprising twist because people were comparing their idea of the legend with the game. Now it's a comparison of the game versus every other anime out there which genderbends.

Shingeki no Kyojin before Erin turned into a titan.

Jose Torres
Jose Torres

Fairly what you described, but without the overused european myth creatures.
Something original would be refreshing.

Christopher Barnes
Christopher Barnes

qt loyal servant who lusts over your dick
To pander neckbeards of course.

Ryder Watson
Ryder Watson

sophistication of the genre
Nigger, Lodoss was literally some guy's tabletop setting. Not that that makes it bad, but holy shit, am I tired of people playing up generic fantasy and stuff like that that would have gotten you teased for being a manchild when it came out as some sort of artistic masterpiece just because it's old. Your favorite genre was never particularly creative or respected, and in that regard nothing has changed.

Ryan Peterson
Ryan Peterson

seen Shingeki no Bahamut yet op? it's a pretty good fantasy.

Wyatt Evans
Wyatt Evans

Don't post /co/ shit and don't ask for recs you double nigger.

Joseph Adams
Joseph Adams

Berserk is just a decent fucking dark fantasy that's been jacked off by the same crowd who now hail Hunter x Hunter as the pinnacle of writing.

Ryan Morris
Ryan Morris

if I told you what state my PC was in you wouldn't believe me and I was still able to play the game with almost everything on High if not Ultra, and a lot of that was just me being stubborn and wasn't really even that noticeable one way or another

Nathaniel Ward
Nathaniel Ward

I actually love Konosuba for the shots it takes at its own genre. It's a great satire with surprisingly likable characters despite their intentionally horrible personalities.

Jonathan Allen
Jonathan Allen

everytime i see a monster human girl with an actual monster, i just can't help but think they must be fucking in their spare time.

Jaxson Green
Jaxson Green

tfw we will never experience Ghibli fantasy again

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

Anno-kun, the Promised One, will deliver unto us the full adaptation of Nausicaa's manga now that Miyazaki-senpai finally said "Fuck it" to letting him make it.

Tyler Johnson
Tyler Johnson

What went so right here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY0U2pSRYeg

Jacob Cooper
Jacob Cooper

I don't understand the praise for Lodoss, it was terribly boring and incredibly generic as far as fantasy goes.

Nips don't do much (high/low) fantasy because it doesn't sell as well, there's plenty of great fantasy mangas, just not anime. They are, after all, an eastern nation.

Chanting anime is dead used to be a meme, now you've said it so much you think its true.

As far as Guin Saga is concerned, the anime adaptation absolutely raped it.

Josiah Hernandez
Josiah Hernandez

I don't understand the praise for Lodoss, it was terribly boring and incredibly generic as far as fantasy goes.
I liked it well enough, but yeah, if that's anyone's idea of sophistication and creativity, then I don't know what to say.

Ayden Cruz
Ayden Cruz

Lodoss, Berserk and Slayers were pretty much the only notable "classic fantasy" thing anyways

What is Bastard!!
What is Mahou Senshi Louie
What is Dai no Daibouken

What is Guin Saga

Fuck off newfag, read more manga before posting garbage.
I don't understand the praise for Lodoss, it was terribly boring and incredibly generic as far as fantasy goes.

For us westerners it sure was, but back then in Japan, it basically set the standards for the genre when it comes to the big audience, it basically made the entire medieval fantasy popular, it's the FFVII of fantasy anime, looks kinda good, great for those who aren't into that kind of thing, but terribly mediocre when you find out there's much better stuff around, even back in the days.

Aaron Thomas
Aaron Thomas

I prefer this one.

Adam Lopez
Adam Lopez

I don't understand the praise for Lodoss
The caliber of its art is a good place to start.
incredibly generic as far as fantasy goes
You mean the genre that's been running a backhoe through Tolkien's garden for the last 80 years suffers from a lack of originality? What?

Luis Long
Luis Long

What is Bastard!!
Terrible OVA of guilty pleasure-tier manga.
What is Mahou Senshi Louie
Terrible show that tries way too hard to be Slayers and fails miserably in all counts.
What is Dai no Daibouken
Little kids' show.
What is Guin Saga
Horribly ass-raped and rushed version of grand, sweeping novel series.

Cameron Rogers
Cameron Rogers

I think that user was talking about anime.

Andrew Adams
Andrew Adams

This.

And all three are horribly overrated.

Jason King
Jason King

You mean the genre that's been running a backhoe through Tolkien's garden for the last 80 years suffers from a lack of originality? What?
Yes, that's the exact fucking point, good job. Most fantasy is lazy hackjobs.

Jason Jenkins
Jason Jenkins

Louie
notable
It's literally just "that Lodoss spin-off that was kind of okay." Next you're going to try and tell me Ophen is a notable show as well.

Jacob Clark
Jacob Clark

None truer words.

Nathaniel Cox
Nathaniel Cox

So your argument in its defense is that you like the designs and that being boring generic shit is okay because the whole genre is? That sounds an awful lot like the defenses for battle harem and isekai anime, are you sure you don't like modern stuff just as much?

Joshua Walker
Joshua Walker

My argument is more along the lines of well executed cliche is the best you're going to get from the genre, and if that's not good enough for you I doubt you're a fan of the genre at all.
Lodoss is good, until it shits the bed and dies after it catches up to where the novels were at the time and goes full 'original anime end' on us.

Wyatt Kelly
Wyatt Kelly

FSN boggles my mind.
You take a neat concept: Historical and mythological figures duke it out for the holy grail
And then you throw it in the fucking trash by tossing in a bunch of OCs, and making all the figures nothing like themselves. Jack the Ripper is a fucking loli. Gilgamesh has no beard and uses medieval-ass tech rather than mesopotamian stuff. King Arthur is a generic waifu.
Why? So much potential, squandered.
Fuck, they could've at least thrown in a Hitler loli.

Gavin Morales
Gavin Morales

You want a Loli Hitler? Here you go.

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