Why is the Kiznaivers premise so shit

Landon Reed
Landon Reed

Why is the Kiznaivers premise so shit
but Maki and Ruru's is interesting
why cant it be about it than dong le quirky antics cause Trigger

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Bentley Phillips
Bentley Phillips

What's so shit about it?

Daniel Lopez
Daniel Lopez

It certainly isn't bad as Sup Forums is making out to be.

Every Trigger show will just get shitted on until its better than KLK anyway.

Hunter Anderson
Hunter Anderson

That it isn't 2 cour.

Blake Long
Blake Long

Goddamn that was some feelgood shit. Yuta is suddenly best character.

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

Because you are a yurishitter famalam

Dyke arc ruined this show for me

Cameron Wright
Cameron Wright

It's the most dumb cliche, melodramatic shit ever.

Still made me smile though.

Matthew Scott
Matthew Scott

And things were shaping up so well after the fifth episode but I'm glad we got rid of her character arc already, next week will be time for best boy and it can only go up from here.

Jack Gomez
Jack Gomez

What, do you not agree with the premise that connections are born of pain on a personal level? Or is it just a truth you don't want to admit?

Christopher Cruz
Christopher Cruz

if it's not ebin memes, it's shit
Trigger fanbase in a nutshell

Oliver Howard
Oliver Howard

That scene where he just runs for the ocean was too perfect.

Wyatt Jackson
Wyatt Jackson

This is Kiznaiver in a post, my dude.

Jaxon Smith
Jaxon Smith

It's not even about yuri
The fact that they're using a cliche dying from sickness but making it more complex by Ruru making the last chapter as a goodbye letter for Maki since she doesn't want to do it with her anymore and Maki asuming she hates her is good writing after all her shitty writing in Kiznaiver so far

Alexander Reed
Alexander Reed

thread makes me glad i dropped this shit on the 3rd episode

Chase Kelly
Chase Kelly

I wished i followed your lead

I am too far in now to drop it
Fucking Mari "dyke" Okada

James Taylor
James Taylor

not wanting to drop it after masochist faggot episode
wanting to drop it after sad lesbians flashback
I don't understand.

Nathaniel Rivera
Nathaniel Rivera

There is nothing wrong with Kiznaiver.

Kiznaiver is essentially a character drama with sci-fi embroidered in and the story shifted to that with Maki's arc being the official progenitor. Next episodes are heavily focused on the others.

Sure, Kiznaiver is not good. It's decent. I can't complain.

Gavin Howard
Gavin Howard

Masochist episode was a bit funny at least

These last two episodes made me want to puke

Dominic King
Dominic King

One of the lesbians always dies. Fuck this gay earth.

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

Well, to me it was the opposite, the faggot episode was the one which made me want to puke.
The latest episode gave me the feels, lesbians or not. I hope the next episode with Tenga will be as moving as this one.

Jeremiah Thompson
Jeremiah Thompson

lesbians or not

I am onto you /u/

Trying to be sneaky and shit

Nolan Myers
Nolan Myers

I don't mind yuri in anime or manga but not to the point of going on /u/. I just don't understand how someone would drop a series because there's some faggotry in it.
I mean, the episode with the faggot was puke inducing but I didn't think about dropping the series just because of it, that's what I was trying to say.

Ayden Phillips
Ayden Phillips

The masochist isnt really gay because he wasnt trying to fuck another person of the same gender, he wasnt in love either.

Cant say the same about the dykes

Some people cant stomach gay shit, im one of those people

Leo Cooper
Leo Cooper

Now watch how the one left alive gets "healed" by a "real relationship" with a boy. Going clichés means going full, 100% clichés.

John Morales
John Morales

Some people cant stomach gay shit, im one of those people
Well anime clearly isn't for you then. Especially in the past few years, there's been some sort of yurifag/fujo pandering in a shitload of series every season, unless you watch harems but even there they show some girl on girl action every now and then.

Jacob Jenkins
Jacob Jenkins

Thats why i want to drop it now, even though it was my favorite before this arc

I thought i had finally found a normal show

She will be healed by a platonic relationship

Alexander Anderson
Alexander Anderson

Anyone here think the ED is better than the OP?

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

both are great for different reasons, but the OP gives me a vibe that the ED can't.

Dominic Lewis
Dominic Lewis

Its only flaw.

Brody Bell
Brody Bell

homosexuals exist, deal with it.

it was brought into the show in a very soft manner, was just a subplot for maki's characterization, was handled very well and it's just one character.

not going full tumblr here, but if that's your line of reasoning, you should get start accepting the fact homos are a real thing

Jace Campbell
Jace Campbell

Both are good but I personally enjoy the OP more.
I'm still waiting for my full OP.

Also, last month's newtype had concept art for the characters.
I took the liberty of scanning it and will dump them, since there were some small variations.

This picture is from this month's newtype though. Bit of an odd combination.

Eli Harris
Eli Harris

Maki's feelings are Maki's

BASED NICO TELLING A SHITTY PARENT WHO BIRTHED A LESBIAN HOW WRONG SHE WAS.

Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

we are here, we are queer, deal with it!
not going full tumblr here

Adam Gutierrez
Adam Gutierrez

I really hope we get to see more of Sonozaki soon. She has so much best girl potential but so little screen time

Lucas James
Lucas James

And lastly Kacchon.

Brayden Foster
Brayden Foster

what does the little thingy in the right top say?
the one with "except for her"

Connor Hill
Connor Hill

Silly user, homosexuality is a fictional construct invented by writers and spread by fiction to control the masses!

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

All his expressions in this make him seem more "alive".

Nathan Wilson
Nathan Wilson

This is why some people stick to soap operas.

It's a bunch of stupid overdramatic shit, but it enraptures you.

Jeremiah Mitchell
Jeremiah Mitchell

Arranged in the orders of the couples that won't happen, I suppose.

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

and it's just one character.

You do realize Maki is also one right?

Bentley Barnes
Bentley Barnes

I'm talking about Maki, Ruru has no role except being maki's backstory and the main cast is 8 fucking characters

Henry Myers
Henry Myers

Maki
Lesbian
She ain't. She is into Yuta.

Lincoln Wright
Lincoln Wright

I would have been fine with it if it were a side character, because she wouldnt have lots of screen time

But having one on screen all the time is a deal beaker

Benjamin Anderson
Benjamin Anderson

Prove it.

William Sanders
William Sanders

Did you miss the last scene?

Owen Wood
Owen Wood

The one where she kiznaiver/friendzones him?

Blake Roberts
Blake Roberts

she said she also loves her smile, not also loves her

Ryan Campbell
Ryan Campbell

this
Sure user, i think she walked her home gently, too.

Leo Rogers
Leo Rogers

Smile is a just a metaphor

Ruru also said she loves her smile

Nicholas Morales
Nicholas Morales

The one where they 'explained' how the name Charles de Macking come about?

I still don't get it. Maki + Ruru = Charles de Macking?

Josiah Allen
Josiah Allen

Well, my Japanese isn't that good, but this is what I could understand (feel free to correct me):

Hisomu Yoshiharu

Sonozaki Noriko says "Immoral".
A character who learned pleasure from pain (Masochist). Hisomu Yoshiharu.

Something something Whenever it appears it gives a shock (laugh).

Why does he dress like that? Why is he immersed(?) in Katsuhira's house? Does he have too much on his mind?
Why does he give off a familiar air? The always calm Nishiyama Kotaro (VA) something something plays a part in this.
I was suprised with that.

Not intentionally, but nonetheless the best order.

It's weird for him to have that much expression. I wonder if this is from before they had the current plot in mind (when it would still be more of a battle anime).

Adrian Russell
Adrian Russell

dont expect japanese pronounciation to make sense

Jacob Young
Jacob Young

Well i don't get it too, but i guess it has something to do with the kanji or something you write the stuff with.

Logan Collins
Logan Collins

She pronounces it as ChaRURUs de MAKIng. Do you get it now?

Charles Murphy
Charles Murphy

Are you retarded? I haven't even watched the episode yet and I know that you're wrong. I'm still on like episode four. I just skipped threw this episode so I could take a screenshot on Nico squishing her face into Maki's boobs.

That scene right there is this.

I want to answer Ruru's letter
her letter is "I love you Maki".
Maki's answer is "Me too".
Meaning she loves her back.

Gabriel Rogers
Gabriel Rogers

she said she loves her smile because Maki was always alone and never really happy (which she also ended up being after Ruru died). Ruru was telling her to keep on living that happy, cheerful live where she smiles a lot, something Maki didn't end up doing because stupid as she was, didn't read the last chapter of the manga. That also explains her sudden change of tone towards everybody at the end

William Clark
William Clark

Will the Tenga episode be about
a) his supposedly broken family life
b) whether he will fuck Chidori or Nico

Gavin Cooper
Gavin Cooper

Quite a leap, isn't it.

Jaxon King
Jaxon King

thanks for the effort user

Brandon Hughes
Brandon Hughes

I think you didn't get the joke, user. I wasn't saying anything else than you.

Asher Smith
Asher Smith

quite indeed, tally ho
The queen's english isn't quite the wily orientals concern, old chap

Colton Baker
Colton Baker

Yeah well, it's a lame english pun made by a Japanese middle schooler after all.

Justin Ortiz
Justin Ortiz

her letter is "I love you Maki".
Technically speaking her letter is "I love your smile."

Andrew Peterson
Andrew Peterson

Threadly reminder that if your best friend is dying and coming out as gay for you, you better overcome your hurt and confused feelings and take it in the ass like a man

Benjamin Hernandez
Benjamin Hernandez

I assumed you were because you replied to both of the posts that replied to them.

Nolan Long
Nolan Long

Probably using the French pronounciation which is closer to Shar-le (like the first 2 syllables of Charlemagne). So Nips would say Sha-ru-ru

Carson James
Carson James

But user

What if he wants to be penetrated instead

I can't summon a boner for my dying best friend, I'll be in tears. I guess we'll have to stick with viagra.

Sebastian Young
Sebastian Young

but Karl der Große was german

Bentley Garcia
Bentley Garcia

Anyone else really hope that Ruru is still alive and it was just some elaborate part of the Kiznaiver plan?

Kayden Torres
Kayden Torres

no
that would be just silly. And not in the good way.

Jose King
Jose King

Coded. She had to make it fit into the story of the manga.

Samuel Phillips
Samuel Phillips

Mom's a pretty good actor.

Owen Nelson
Owen Nelson

Yeah, but you can't even type, so what do you know.

Ayden Rivera
Ayden Rivera

Everything North of Rome and South of Scotland was Germanic back then anyway.

James Campbell
James Campbell

Big Charlie was actually a black kang

Hunter King
Hunter King

They could have tricked her, too.

Adam Phillips
Adam Phillips

Your daughter is dead
JUST A PRANK BRO LMAO

Isaiah Bennett
Isaiah Bennett

Wish yeah, can't really see it happening though.

also she would probably on the picture here if that were the case.

Camden Martinez
Camden Martinez

Why couldn't Ruru just go on dialysis?

Charles Hill
Charles Hill

I think that Ruru knew that Maki felt the same way about her and she also knew why she pushed her away that time.
That's why she wrote those things in that letter, because she knew that Maki would have fallen into depression after her death.

Lucas Ortiz
Lucas Ortiz

If Sonozaki was in it, I bet Kacchon will just fall out of love.

Logan Cox
Logan Cox

Damn, son. You're dumb.
The whole point of the Kiznaiver plan is to bring people together through their emotions. Ruru's "death" could have been an experiment to help other's connect through the loss of a loved one.

Nicholas Wright
Nicholas Wright

Ruru's death is part of a previous Kiznaiver program
Ruru's mother is part of a Kiznaiver program
She failed because she couldn't get with the others in the Kiznaiver Program

Christopher Scott
Christopher Scott

Charles = ShaRuRu in Katakana.

Logan Clark
Logan Clark

What are you even trying to say? Stop trying so hard to fit in and speak normally without greentext.

Matthew Rogers
Matthew Rogers

LAYYYYYYYYYYYYY YOUR HANS OOOONNNN MEEEEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krem4GHmmxg

Mason Harris
Mason Harris

implying I want to fit in

Samuel Lee
Samuel Lee

You're certainly trying very hard. And you still haven't made it clear what you are talking about.

Luis Harris
Luis Harris

Still another month.
WHY

Chase Cox
Chase Cox

You're certainly trying very hard.
Where?

Cameron Cox
Cameron Cox

Both.

Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

How can he resolve both in one episode?

I mean, if Tenga's thing goes two episodes again, no way this show is just 1 cour.

John Lewis
John Lewis

interesting

Dominic Stewart
Dominic Stewart

Lesbians > Sonozaki/Kacchon/Chidori

Jaxson Wood
Jaxson Wood

Yuri is the purest form of love.

Blake Jones
Blake Jones

So when will Sonozaki betray her committee buddies and move in with our heroes?

Joseph Hernandez
Joseph Hernandez

The penultimate episode.

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

1 cour or 2 cour

Luis Jones
Luis Jones

It's as sweaty as all other love actually.

Ryan Edwards
Ryan Edwards

girls don't sweat when they have sex with girls, don't be silly.

Julian Hughes
Julian Hughes

Kiznaiver is better than KLK, but worse than Guren Lagan.

Ryder Williams
Ryder Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL8wLzZYcg8

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

Spoilers
WHERE
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Kevin Lopez
Kevin Lopez

checking Sup Forums before catching up with all your shows

Carter Myers
Carter Myers

I want to perform TRIBADISM with Ruru.

Logan Nguyen
Logan Nguyen

I killed her existence in my heart

Brandon Stewart
Brandon Stewart

Today is Tenga two episodes screaning user
I want spoiler of my boi

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

why couldn't Maki have died and Ruru be part of the group? god damn it

Jack Lopez
Jack Lopez

I WANT TO MARRY RURU AND DRAW SHITTY MANGA WITH HER

Our lesbian love would overcome death itself

Asher Taylor
Asher Taylor

I turned into a kiznaiver when i watched this episode

Jonathan Sanders
Jonathan Sanders

with whom are you connected?

Ethan Long
Ethan Long

Trigger always misses the point in why their stories are appealing.

William Diaz
William Diaz

ur mom

David Russell
David Russell

this show is starting to feel like kokoro connect all over again, but i dont really mind. theyre talking about one day understanding each others thoughts and shit, i wonder if theyll make it literal by the end?

i hope next episode is about tenga having anger issues and everyone feeling pissed/outraged about his past with him. theyve covered physical and grief, now they have to cover the other emotions - fear, anger, etc.

Jason Garcia
Jason Garcia

Tenga > Lesbians

James Parker
James Parker

last episode made them able to feel positive emotions too, so that's not unlikely at all.

Leo Wright
Leo Wright

As always you are completely wrong, OP.
Kiznaivers premise is pretty interesting, it's the execution that is stale.
Also Maki is about the most boring and uninspired of all characters. Her back story with Ruru was bland and melodramatic.

Juan Walker
Juan Walker

thinking about last episode, i think alongside tenga's past theyre gonna have to deal with sonozaki and her emotions toward kacchan next episode, since they showed that old photo. not quite sure what to call her state of mind - its a mix of unrequited love, isolation, and intentional misrepresentation of herself

Matthew Young
Matthew Young

You know how Okada said she was originally prepared to write some sort of battle show, but they told her to make it a character drama instead? It feels like the 'pain' premise is a hangover from the original idea and is now completely redundant.
It has quite literally devolved to 'they all get a shock when one of them feels bad, they either remark wistfully on it or use it to locate the sad person somehow' and in this episode had next to zero plot significance. Maki's arc is the best thing the show's done so far, but you could put it in a different show entirely while changing almost nothing.
It's like they don't really have a story to tell about this premise, and instead are just telling individual drama stories with it as the arbitrary reason the characters are obligated to each other. There has so far been very little attempt made to think of how '7 people who can all feel each other's pain' could create unique dramatic situations or affect these guys' teenage angst in unique ways. (Which is weird because holy shit, that level of quasi-telepathy could transform your life.) A concept like this could be making huge and potent points about the power of empathy, but so far it's just made a few diddly ones nested inside 'yay friendship'.
It's not bad but it screams squandered potential.

Oliver Wilson
Oliver Wilson

Mari Okada

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

OP has fucking great composition and animation, but a shit song.

ED has kinda good both.

So I guess I like the ED better, overall.

Kevin Brown
Kevin Brown

But the characters in the manga are in love too.

Landon Anderson
Landon Anderson

Kiznaiver starts to show its poential in ep 7
but it's 1 cour
we're already halfway through
it's selling so poorly that there's zero chance of a second season
So even if this show carries on being as good as last ep was, we've only got 5 more of that goodness and then it's over forever.
Why didn't I just drop this show up again?

Blake Rivera
Blake Rivera

This show has been getting better with each episode it's already better than KLK

Aiden Thompson
Aiden Thompson

I didn't care about the lesbians.
Besides Ruru was fucking crazy.

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

Suicidal lesbians usually are

Justin Moore
Justin Moore

lesbians always are

Kevin Jenkins
Kevin Jenkins

You're talking about a country where people die from colds and get fevers from crying.

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

I don't know. Let's watch and see.

Connor Hill
Connor Hill

One of my friends is a lesbian and she's awesome.

Benjamin Bell
Benjamin Bell

You and one of your friend should fucking kill yourselves then

Carson White
Carson White

One day user

Xavier Flores
Xavier Flores

we've only got 5 more of that goodness
I bet the 'final phase' of the Kiznaiver program will take 2 episodes. Maybe Sonozaki's past can also be revealed during this final phase, alongside the conclusion of the Sonozaki/Kacchon/Chidori triangle.

That leaves 3 episodes for Tenga, Hisomu, Nico and Yuta.

They can't do it well at all. They have to sacrifice something, some character development.

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

Go fuck yourself, retard.

Liam Lopez
Liam Lopez

harsh

James Evans
James Evans

It's cool guys, Tenga arc will redeem the show
If it doesn't, then nothing will

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

tells people to jump in the ocean if they want to be friends
"You're still not my friends. But we're Kiznaivers and that's closer."
doesn't jump in the ocean or do anything herself
That's a lot of work to just stop her from burdening you with her emotional issues. At least they're not connected to someone who's chronically depressed. Still a pain in the ass for little return though.

Camden Martinez
Camden Martinez

It is kind of a dick move to leave it all to Ruru regardless of the reason.

Gabriel Watson
Gabriel Watson

This arc was pretty good I don't know what you're smoking

Brandon James
Brandon James

Completely agree on all points. The pain/feelings bond is getting less and less focus with each going episode. It just feels a bit wasted.

I still think it's by far the best show this season though.

Easton Walker
Easton Walker

Maybe he just doesn't have low standards.

Logan Thompson
Logan Thompson

FF8 twist incoming?

Aiden Young
Aiden Young

Maybe he just has shit taste

Lucas Parker
Lucas Parker

But this has nothing to do with good or shit taste to begin with.

Charles Phillips
Charles Phillips

It always does stick around long enough and you'll understand newfriend

Benjamin Torres
Benjamin Torres

Kiznaivers premise is pretty interesting, it's the execution that is stale.
I think it's the opposite
I think the premise is ridiculous but the execution is great.
Everything picks up and gets better from episode 3
The first impression of archetypal characters proved to be false because they have pretty great diverse personalities and the character development has been great
Especially these two characters
Even Kachon is slowly showings signs of individuality that I would have never expected from the first two episodes
I judged it way to harshly at the start and now I can't wait for the next episodes
Also, that ending is so catchy and melancholic

Jonathan Scott
Jonathan Scott

Just so you know, people who accuse others of being new are the actual newfags who have run out of actual arguments and are desperately trying to affirm themselves.

Sebastian Ross
Sebastian Ross

Whatever you say newfriend

Colton Barnes
Colton Barnes

It's like they don't really have a story to tell about this premise, and instead are just telling individual drama stories with it as the arbitrary reason the characters are obligated to each other.
I agree but is it really bad?
Having and individual character drama with a sci-fi premise fucking works

Aiden Sullivan
Aiden Sullivan

Tenga will die. But his soul will choose to go back in time, the time when he was happiest, and he will be at season 1 first episode. Nico who loves Tenga wants to be with him too and wants to be in a time when Tenga'd love her, but since he already loves Chidori she'll go back in time before Tenga is born, and become his mother.

Jose Green
Jose Green

June 22nd
Why even live?

Luis Martin
Luis Martin

newfag keeps using the newfriend banter after getting called out
Classic! Anyway, I was just wanted to helping you. Though there's no use helping braindead posters who can't barely understand the basic concepts of a show to the point of being unable to classify it other than "good" or "shit" taste, newfag.

Ryder Johnson
Ryder Johnson

Don't be mad everyone's new once!

Dylan Young
Dylan Young

Wasn't it this month? What the fuck?

Luis Russell
Luis Russell

Maki's arc is the best thing the show's done so far
is the show that bad for you?

Andrew Sanchez
Andrew Sanchez

You're right it's better than GL

Colton Collins
Colton Collins

yes

Jaxon Phillips
Jaxon Phillips

Is there any possibility this shit will be 2 cour? I cannot imagine them wrapping up the character development for the remaining gang members and the whole backstory behind the experiment in 5 episodes otherwise.

Parker Richardson
Parker Richardson

Great comeback, freshcunt.

Isaac Baker
Isaac Baker

I'm starting to wish they went with the original idea of Kiznaiver being a battle show, so far there's been nothing interesting happening other than teen problems

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