Why this guy bitches so much the current anime industry when he never tried to...

Anthony Hall
Anthony Hall

Why this guy bitches so much the current anime industry when he never tried to do an television anime? Yeah, he made Mirai Shounen Conan but that was almost 40 years ago, the industry was way different back then.

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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-05-23/megumi-hayashibara-shares-her-thoughts-on-modern-voice-acting/.102038
https://vimeo.com/120809172
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00J8CHIAQ/ref=pd_luc_rh_mrairec_01_04_t_img_lh?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
http://www.someanithing.com/1
Joseph Rivera
Joseph Rivera

He's one of them older people who goes "Well back in my day..." and just shits on everyone who doesn't do it how it was in his days.

He's created family friendly anime movies, I don't know how he decided he gets to go on his high horse on criticizing the industry when he took the safe route.

Parker Anderson
Parker Anderson

When was the last time he bitched?
I think Sup Forums just likes to hate on him

Parker Murphy
Parker Murphy

He's a great storyteller, but hes way too fond of having pristine animation, wich limits him when it comes to tv-anime

Nathaniel Fisher
Nathaniel Fisher

Never thought I would agree with a tripfag

Dominic Rodriguez
Dominic Rodriguez

Did you ever meet an old man that didn't think that things were better in his "good old times"

John Price
John Price

the safe route

Bitch he earned an Oscar award

Jayden Gomez
Jayden Gomez

ACtually defending moeshit

Camden Young
Camden Young

It will happen to you
Modern anime sucks btw

Isaac Gonzalez
Isaac Gonzalez

/v/

Adam Russell
Adam Russell

late anime pandering to horny retards
not the safest route ever and the reason why there are barely no risks in anime anymore

sasuga tripfag

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

G-get out of my Sup Forums
Moeshit defender

Jayden Bell
Jayden Bell

There's more money to be made in films.

Ian Wood
Ian Wood

Everyone makes mistakes, user.

Jaxon Martinez
Jaxon Martinez

/v/

Oliver Wright
Oliver Wright

I'm not even into moe. This guy talks big but he didn't really tried

Jonathan Davis
Jonathan Davis

Hurr Durr everything is moe

Don't you need to go fight Anita or something?

Camden Gomez
Camden Gomez

Because that was a thing when he was doing stuff.

Ethan Gutierrez
Ethan Gutierrez

moeshit fan thinking his opinion is relevant

Get out.

Ethan Bennett
Ethan Bennett

This guy talks big but he didn't really tried
I don't understand what you mean.

Wyatt Torres
Wyatt Torres

Television anime
That's pig disgusting tier. He has something called standards.

Cameron Lopez
Cameron Lopez

moefag butthurt

He's just voicing his opinion on how you're all cancer. Nothing wrong with that.

Benjamin Thompson
Benjamin Thompson

It was, sort of.

Brayden Davis
Brayden Davis

Anime was a mistake.

John Morales
John Morales

Anon - Dropping the fucking bomb

Anthony Martinez
Anthony Martinez

Modern tv anime sucks and its fans are stupid

Nathaniel Jenkins
Nathaniel Jenkins

he should make Himouto! Umaru-chan season 2

Grayson Thompson
Grayson Thompson

Because people like the idea of old man talking shit about television animes simply because he doesn't like current trends or never work in TV anime since 1976

Isaac Bell
Isaac Bell

I don't know maybe he has a point. Megumi Hayashibara just had an interview where she argued some similar things, particularly about the voice acting side of the industry albeit less incendiary.

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

he took the safe route
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Asher Evans
Asher Evans

He's been saying the same things since then, to be fair.

Oliver Russell
Oliver Russell

Which is precisely why he would never work on a late night anime. Late night anime and Miyazaki are like polar opposites in terms of potential fits for one another's styles and goals

Carter Gutierrez
Carter Gutierrez

you have to be a chef to criticize one's cooking!

Andrew Ortiz
Andrew Ortiz

This

Jason Fisher
Jason Fisher

otaku can't distinguish real life from fantasy
attacking aidorus and seiyuus
Miyazaki is one-hundred absolutely percent right on his views regarding otaku.

Nathan King
Nathan King

Say whatever you want but in 400 years when people look back they will still watch miyazaki´s movies while all anime you like will be completely forgotten and disregarded as the trash it is.

Thomas Morgan
Thomas Morgan

Miyazaki lost his talent.

Jose Moore
Jose Moore

400 years from now when Earth is in ruin and a new civilization is urban exploring, they'll dig through the dirt and unearth Non Non Biyori. The pinnacle of SoL. From there, the new civilization'll emulate the ruralness of NNB.

I disagree with you.

Jonathan Fisher
Jonathan Fisher

>>141908981
Your English gave me cancer you sea monkey.

Jaxson Bell
Jaxson Bell

because he is seeing something that he used to love be ruined

Oliver Torres
Oliver Torres

because you keep making these fucking threads and giving him the attention he wants

Aaron Clark
Aaron Clark

lol

Jace Peterson
Jace Peterson

Imagine miyazaki browsing Sup Forums and being all mad

Liam White
Liam White

he actually thinks a mediocre iyashikei will stand the test of time
How cute

Joseph Thomas
Joseph Thomas

It's kind of patethic the only Sup Forums shit on him for his opinion. I guess that it's because Sup Forums is the autistic manchildren who are pandered.

Ryder Williams
Ryder Williams

What is this, a picture for ants?

Wyatt King
Wyatt King

Whats happening with voice actors?

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

They will be a better people than us.

Leo Clark
Leo Clark

miyazaki see watamote fall in love with it and see no season 2 and said Anime was a mistake.

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

The thing is that he's not wrong. Yet Sup Forums loves to bitch at him.

Caleb Phillips
Caleb Phillips

I see you ESL.

I see you and I cringe.

Jonathan Flores
Jonathan Flores

Stop.

Levi Walker
Levi Walker

he doesn't think the greatest iyashikei will stand the taste of time
Go back to watching Flying Shit.

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

I just think he's old. Talented, but somewhat antiquated and in love with the olden times and how it can't stay the same way as before.

Jack Myers
Jack Myers

He's a fucking hack

Zachary Thompson
Zachary Thompson

/co/

Brody Powell
Brody Powell

Which is why you have faggots otaku getting (you) for being so butthurt is his confusion and lack of understanding over Hayao's stance.

Anthony Gray
Anthony Gray

never tried to do an television anime
Nigga, there's trolling, and there's THAT

Christian Mitchell
Christian Mitchell

You are only allowed to like one kind of show

Sasuga /v/

Jaxon Cox
Jaxon Cox

Then name one anime that aired on TV directed by him.

Lupin III doesn't count.

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

Heidi...

William Hughes
William Hughes

You know its the only true reason.

Liam Edwards
Liam Edwards

We're talking about Miyazaki, not Takahata.

Justin Brown
Justin Brown

Normalfags like him

Is that a good thing now?

Luis Brown
Luis Brown

Meant for

Alexander Flores
Alexander Flores

why is everyone obsessed with this pedo cuck? Nigga made a few anime about little girls and thinks he an authority on the entire genre and you fucks take him seriously? Jesus

3/10 bait, OP

Eli Bennett
Eli Bennett

Considering that the usually Sup Forums user has the same shit taste as normalfags, only directed to other kind of shows, I don't know. Shit, anyone who isn't a newfag can see that most of Sup Forums admit to not really liking half of what they whatch. That shitty Dagashi show and Phanton World comes to mind.

Brayden Price
Brayden Price

i need a pure maiden dubbing my waifu so i can fap to imaginary defloration scenarios.

Justin Jones
Justin Jones

Summer is almost here, huh.

David Russell
David Russell

Now thats retarded, if you really like 2D or are 2D only why would you ever care about whathever the 3D that puts the voice to the character does?

Andrew King
Andrew King

Otakus also care about pure idols, unlike the posers on Sup Forums.

Nolan Brooks
Nolan Brooks

Blame Japan's entire culture and mentality for that. That mentality wasn't just born in the minds of otaku out of nowhere just because.

Jackson Gray
Jackson Gray

Idolfags are the worst scum on this planet.

Camden Hill
Camden Hill

hey, this happens in japan and it's lonely society.
which kinda validates all of Miyazaki points.

Logan Hernandez
Logan Hernandez

the "old things are better" meme

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

creating your own studio
assuming total creative control
the safe route

Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

This.

New things are always better than old things, because it is what I'm currently whatching.

Connor Perry
Connor Perry

the everything old is bad and if you think otherwise is nothing but nostalgia meme

Colton Anderson
Colton Anderson

my world is black and white. There's nothing else here, just my black and white soul

the "I'm such a brain dead fucktard completely incapable of critical thinking and everything is absolute" meme

Jack Cox
Jack Cox

the forcing a war beetween old things and new thngs instead of enjoying both meme

Angel Robinson
Angel Robinson

the edgy shitposting Im so much better than anyone else meme

Brandon Russell
Brandon Russell

too bad those granpas are right kiddo enjoy living in debt & stds

Isaiah Martin
Isaiah Martin

hey let's just travel 100000 years back in time and live in caves, hunting for our own food and getting killed by the common cold while we're at it. Everything old is better, r-right?

Anthony Gutierrez
Anthony Gutierrez

le strawman meme

Gavin Gutierrez
Gavin Gutierrez

You are the one who started with the faggotory mate.

Jeremiah Reed
Jeremiah Reed

I'm not even the initial poster, but he didn't say that everything old is bad either.

Henry Fisher
Henry Fisher

Right? Its CURRENT YEAR, they are acting problematic and like totally on the wrong side of history. This is why we newfags are so much better. Let's talk about sexism on anime? :3

David Reyes
David Reyes

Not better than everyone. Just you.

Julian Campbell
Julian Campbell

He reduced any different opinion to it mate. Don't be an autist.

Jacob Mitchell
Jacob Mitchell

No one is even talking about moe why are you so obsessed /v/?

Jace Price
Jace Price

Do you even know where you are?

Gavin Collins
Gavin Collins

No one is even talking about /v/ why are you so obsessed?

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

Why does he criticize moeshit when he made many movies starring little girls?

Mason Watson
Mason Watson

/a/ is one person
if a show has threads it means it's popular
Oh boy.

Jason Murphy
Jason Murphy

It is because TV anime is shit and for children and inherently anti-art.

Jackson Miller
Jackson Miller

His idea of the "current" industry is everything after 1963.

Jackson Foster
Jackson Foster

shitty Dagashi show

Lincoln Barnes
Lincoln Barnes

Neither of those two shitty shows you mentioned will. Watch more anime, pleb.

Jose Richardson
Jose Richardson

Because /v/ always get's up in arms about moe it's a pretty logical connection.

Carter Russell
Carter Russell

He said "average Sup Forums user". Clearly he lurks enough and has STATS. He knows better than you what the average Sup Forums user is. Don't question him, anonymous.

John Cook
John Cook

He doesn't. He has literally never criticized cuteness or little girls or CGDCT or school settings, people just fucking projected their own views onto him. This happens all the time - anyone who says they have an issue with current anime is assumed to be talking about "pandering moeshit and LNs" and to want a return to 80s manime by people who are desperately looking for someone influential to back up and validate their opinions.

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

normalfags are one person
This always happens. user talk shit about others, but start spouting this or "t-taste is subjective!" When people criticize third taste. Just admit that most of people in general including on this board has shit taste.

Also

high number of threads and anons on it and fanart doesn't mean popularity.

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

Because Tomino would start roasting him like "ohooo what was that about movies being the superior art form?"

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

Saying 'average' or 'typical' doesn't detract from the fact that your making a lump assumption about everyone who posts on Sup Forums. But yeah, sure.

Oliver Long
Oliver Long

Not him but in my mind anyone that uses the words manime or moeshit is from /v/

Carter Jackson
Carter Jackson

Just admit that most of people in general including on this board has shit taste.
There's nothing to admit. If you weren't new here, you'd know that Sup Forums has shit taste and people are vary aware of it.

Austin Myers
Austin Myers

Because it is worse now.
If you want to be succesful now you better pander to waifufags or shonen fags

Luis Davis
Luis Davis

Isn't this just a stereotype? I mean, he could say the same thing as why he choose the word "moeshit" to shit on. See here

Carter Thompson
Carter Thompson

high number of threads doesn't mean popularity
No, not at all. And fanart has nothing to do with Sup Forums.

And no I'm not going to make a lump assumption about everyone on an anonymous imageboard just because I'm a cynical fuck.

Xavier Watson
Xavier Watson

Why Sup Forums often pretend to have better taste than normalfags?

Cameron Long
Cameron Long

I don't know esl-kun. Elitism, I suppose.

Cooper Mitchell
Cooper Mitchell

the biggest problem lies elsewhere

older animes didn't pander to degenerates
fanserive was minimal, stories where deep, animation was good

modern anime is all about pandering to virgins, otakus, social rejects and general fucking losers who never love or be loved

you can't expect something to be good if it's made for subhuman type of people

Jace Ramirez
Jace Ramirez

Sup Forums has better taste than normalfags on average. It comes from the fact that people here spend a lot more time exploring the mediums than normalfags. Nothing more than that.
Still shit however if you look at the big picture. That's why people are(or were in the past) encouraged to watch a show(or some episodes)/read a manga and get their own opinions on it.

Henry James
Henry James

he didnt complain nearly as much as /a/lets you believe. all the subs in those screenshots posted here are fake.

Joshua James
Joshua James

I have good taste and so do most other posters from Sup Forums
People should stop focusing on how people who watch dozens of shows each season watch some forgetable generic anime and enjoy shitposting about it.

Caleb Ward
Caleb Ward

saya was the only good part of the show. and by good part, i mean 6/10

Luis Wright
Luis Wright

Because /v/ is

Is very vocal about things they don't like
Hate moe

And if the user posting uses noting but buzzwords like "moeshit" to back his statement is pretty safe to assume that he is from /v/ or is retarded.

Gabriel Hill
Gabriel Hill

/v/ is indifferent to moe and most anime, if anything they like cute anime girls since it usually gets posotive attention there

Get a newer scapegoat

Hunter Carter
Hunter Carter

modern anime is all about pandering to virgins, otakus, social rejects and general fucking losers who never love or be loved
The monogatari series has sold an insane amount and it panders harder than pretty much any other high budget show ever has. Are you suggesting that everyone who bought something that sold over 100,000 copies is a virgin, otaku social reject?

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

Those episodes of Lupin III he directed where he just crammed his generic Ghibli heroine and pushed everything that made Lupin good to the side

Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

/v/

Noah Brown
Noah Brown

Worse, they are deepfags that think that 25 minutes of talking while flashcards go by duting the episode is actually a good anime

Asher Ortiz
Asher Ortiz

But Sup Forums is very vocal about things that it doesn't like.

And are people allowed to not like shows which the main appeal is the "moe" on it? What is the difference?

Easton Murphy
Easton Murphy

This means you have no argument right.

Logan Clark
Logan Clark

monogatari
literally pedo wet dream
Are you suggesting that everyone who bought something that sold over 100,000 copies is a virgin, otaku social reject?
are you not? let's be honest for once

Henry Allen
Henry Allen

How about love live, K-on or Haruhi then. they sold more copies than I believe there are otaku in Japan

Jack Garcia
Jack Garcia

Do you understand enough Japanese to get the puns?

Sebastian Bailey
Sebastian Bailey

lovelive appeals to idolfags, those people are the worst kind of otaku
Kon and haruhi actually managed to find a wider audience by being inoffensive/clever

Jackson Baker
Jackson Baker

Don't take my word for it, but I heard Love Live is normalfags tier in Japan

Daniel Russell
Daniel Russell

Just how many of these people do you think there are?
They appeal and sell more to the casual market than anything else. The most hardcore fans are usually into mecha or niche subgenres

Alexander Fisher
Alexander Fisher

Exactly. Which doesn't really help the idea that only a small minority of fans have cgdct being made to appeal to them. The average person enjoy those types of shows

Jaxon Sullivan
Jaxon Sullivan

Not him, but this is the same as saying that 50 Shades of Grey is good because it had a lot of readers.

Also for any good show like that, there would be 15 imitations devoid of substance.

David Ortiz
David Ortiz

ok boys be good and go back into your generals

Jaxson Gomez
Jaxson Gomez

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-05-23/megumi-hayashibara-shares-her-thoughts-on-modern-voice-acting/.102038

Dominic Johnson
Dominic Johnson

Every thread on this board act as a general.

Ryder Anderson
Ryder Anderson

The original point was
modern anime is all about pandering to virgins, otakus, social rejects and general fucking losers who never love or be loved

Kayden Jenkins
Kayden Jenkins

I really hate when people use miyazaki's hatred of "modern" anime to mean he agrees with them. When Miyazaki talks about "modern" anime he means anything made after like 1960.

Ryder Reed
Ryder Reed

Fuck I have never gone to /v/ and I hate me shit fuck negative schemas

Ayden Wilson
Ayden Wilson

Just how many of these people do you think there are?
there's a lot of losers in this world, especially in japan

Josiah Allen
Josiah Allen

No, the point isn't that it's good, the point is that it has wide appeal and doesn't have a viewership solely made up of hardcore otaku who never leave their houses. If you suggested that everyone who watched 50 Shades of Grey was a virgin NEET with no friends, it'd be just as ridiculous.

Kevin Foster
Kevin Foster

There is also the second part of what I said. Those cases are exceptions not the norm.

For each one, there is 5 Dagashi shows, or motocycle anime girls.

David Cruz
David Cruz

I hate it when people, literally a generation younger than me, try to criticize him.

Jose Rogers
Jose Rogers

americans on Sup Forums talking about the anime industry like they know shit is my favourite meme.

Brandon Phillips
Brandon Phillips

Not him but I don't think he ever said it was good just that it sold well.

James Morgan
James Morgan

Cant blame Rei´s voice for complaining about Rei clones

Zachary Stewart
Zachary Stewart

Why are you even on Sup Forums?

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

He is overrated to be honestly.

Asher Young
Asher Young

lovelive appeals to idolfags, those people are the worst kind of otaku
Explain

Mason Ward
Mason Ward

For each one, there is 5 Dagashi shows, or motocycle anime girls.
You realize Dagashi's on track to finish with <1500 copies average, right?

Bentley Jackson
Bentley Jackson

he talked shit about tv anime literally once

this is a guy who has also talked shit about people using ipads on the train. you're all just sensitive little nerds

Gabriel Cooper
Gabriel Cooper

Ghibli's animators are dying off one by one
soon it will be Miyazaki's time
the industry will belong exclusively to and be produced exclusively for the precious otaku they hate so much

Aiden Moore
Aiden Moore

Haven't you seen the images of faggots literally praying to posters of lovelive? I'm on mobile and don't have them but they're there.

Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

he talked shit about tv anime literally once
No, he's talked shit about TV anime several times over the years.

Anthony Stewart
Anthony Stewart

Is ghibli closing or not?
Its like they cant make up their minds about this

Liam Lee
Liam Lee

He's been doing this shit since before 99% of Sup Forums was born. I'd say he's more than earned the right to express how he feels about the industry.

Joshua Davis
Joshua Davis

Usuall to be exchanged by other thing as bad.

Cooper Collins
Cooper Collins

stories where deep, animation was good
posting HnK

Noah Perez
Noah Perez

one interview where he said animators don't look at real people and the documentary where he said otakus don't learn anything, which wasn't necessarily directed specifically at anime otaku anyway.

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

"I simply can't discuss the business we are in without a bit of bitterness. Compared to some of the works from the 1950s that I will always hold as a gold standard, the animation we are making in the 1980s resembles the food served on jumbo jet airliners. Mass production has changed everything. The emotions and thoughts that should be so moving have given way to showiness, nervousness, and titillation. And work that should be done lovingly by hand has been whittled away at within organized production systems that focus on straight work for hire. I frankly despise the truncated word "anime" because to me it only symbolizes the current desolation of our industry."
This was in the 80s.

Bentley Green
Bentley Green

I know about those but what does that have anything to do with impacting the industry? I thought you were going to be informative about idol otaku ruining anime but I guess you're one of those retards who hate something solely because of a fanbase. You disappoint me, user.

Thomas Thompson
Thomas Thompson

Miyazaki is the epitome of neo-/a/.
I'M SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU STUPID OTAKU
SOOOOO MUCH BETTER
S-STOP ENJOYING THINGS YOU NERDS

Isaiah Perry
Isaiah Perry

He is right you know

Lucas Sanchez
Lucas Sanchez

This man is the single most qualified person to make the statements he made, he is also right.
Otaku lifestyle is destructive and the industry is killing the animators working in it, literally.
https://vimeo.com/120809172

Now lets be really objective, the modern day anime industry is earning money and thats the ONLY thing that matters. It will change when it will no longer be profitable.
Personally I enjoy the incest, pedofilia, bestiality and cuckolding for what it is, I revel in it and so do you user. If we weren't we wouldn't be here on Sup Forums.

Parker Hill
Parker Hill

So did Crash for best movie

Brayden Campbell
Brayden Campbell

nobody on Sup Forums (including myself) knew he said that though so my point that everyone here is an oversensitive nerd still stands

Carson Wilson
Carson Wilson

he's old so he knows what he's talking about
Really? I haven't like thought that since I graduated high school. Let me give you a life lesson old people are just as fuckin stupid and clueless as you are.

Nicholas Edwards
Nicholas Edwards

He never once expressed that he felt "superior" to otaku. Such things don't even matter, stop projecting.

Isaac Ortiz
Isaac Ortiz

This man is the single most qualified person to make the statements he made
How?

Joseph Robinson
Joseph Robinson

I was implying that he at least knows what he's talking about more than you do. I would take his opinion over yours any day. Stay mad though.

Isaiah James
Isaiah James

how are they the worst kind of otaku?
I guess you just hate the fanbase.
Fucking what.

Connor Lee
Connor Lee

And what percentage of lovelive fans do you think do that phoneposter-kun

Asher Nelson
Asher Nelson

These threads never get anywhere
I suggest you all stop replying and go watch some japanese animation made in corea

Daniel Thomas
Daniel Thomas

Sup Forums is full of autists.

Ethan Young
Ethan Young

Taking the safe route is what Nickelodeon usually does with their animated movies. Stupid CG shit nobody wants to see. Ghibli does it out of passion. They WANT to make an amazing film with an amazing story and amazing characters and they do that.

That's not the safe route, it's being really good and passionate about what you do.

Hudson Price
Hudson Price

Except the discussion was about the industry not how much you hate them.

Xavier Hall
Xavier Hall

Ghibli
amazing story
amazing characters

Daniel Wood
Daniel Wood

I'm fully aware of the shit taste of the board, I just like to see them trying to make it work with their elitism at the same time. It's a curiosity.

The end is that it is shit, but it panders to what this user said And it is pretty obvious.

Eli Bailey
Eli Bailey

Honestly this is probably bait with the /co/ reaction image and the desperate "you mad?" But here I go: How did you gather I was mad? I was perplexed, but not mad. And I don't think bitterly hating an entire industry is something you can "know more about" in fact he's admitted to not even watching anime. On top of that I haven't even given an opinion of any kind.

Ayden Phillips
Ayden Phillips

Well, the important is that you found something to feel superior in relation to others.

Colton Butler
Colton Butler

Well then I'll fit in great with the topic of this thread

Bentley Watson
Bentley Watson

Butthurt.

Jaxson Walker
Jaxson Walker

These threads are hilarious to read. I don't know why some of you actually think you're going to change someone's mind on any subject. Nobody on Sup Forums ever changes their mind about anything.

Aiden Watson
Aiden Watson

You're making a whole lot of assumptions there user.

Thomas Miller
Thomas Miller

This man is the single most qualified person to make the statements he made, he is also right.
A guy who hasn't done TV anime in the last 35 years is the most qualified to talk about it?

Matthew Lee
Matthew Lee

That's not true people change their minds about shit they don't care about. Also what do expect on a board made for discussion?

Gavin Morris
Gavin Morris

What he was trying to say
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00J8CHIAQ/ref=pd_luc_rh_mrairec_01_04_t_img_lh?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
buying the complete love live dvd collection would cost about 200USD per season.
70k bought the complete S2 collection according to http://www.someanithing.com/1
200 bux is not something you pay because you wanted to watch something on a friday evening, it is how much an otaku is willing to give up for his waifu.
Now get a few thousands of these fanatics and you can support a company, get 70 000 of these annually and you can support an industry, which brings us to the impact on the industry.
The whole industry is geared towards milking the money of the otakus (there is not a lot of them if you compare for example to the amount of people that have seen Frozen or Game of Thrones) but these zealous fanatics are able to sustain the companies through sheer dvd sales (we have no data on toy sales, please prove me wrong on this one)

Aiden Rivera
Aiden Rivera

Nobody on Sup Forums ever changes their mind about anything.
This board is literally an organised machine that makes people find things you once found repulsive or that made you uneasy sexually attractive.

Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

These threads are just filled with bullshit and memes. All you'll see is
God I hate how he thinks he's so much better
I can't wait till he's dead
He's a hack and irrelevant
And other stuff, plus people trying to refute these points. I realize that whenever you're complaining about something, you risk appearing whiny, which is what most people see him as whenever there is one of his quotes floating around. It could be actually interesting to take a closer look at some of his actually real statements and see if he's right or not or see if he's a hypocrite like many people believe him to be, but instead people simply complain that he complains.

People may still see him as whiny since keeping your mouth shut is always an option and complaining about stuff while not actively trying to find a solution or taking part in trying to fix it will always be hypocritical, but maybe there is some sense to what he says.

Andrew Wright
Andrew Wright

Also what do expect on a board made for discussion?
Also what do expect
what do expect

Are you a chimpanzee? My 5-year-old sister can type better than you do.

William Taylor
William Taylor

not that user but it has to be 100% of the paying customers because those dvds are expensive, the S1+S2 net to about 40000 yen

Tyler Myers
Tyler Myers

:Error you have to wait a while before you report another post
Why are there so many of them lately. Have the mods stopped removing them?

Eli Edwards
Eli Edwards

not the safest route ever and the reason why there are barely no risks in anime anymore
Yeah, because anime was always a high-risk medium, right? I remember back in the 90s when every anime was fresh and unique, it's not like it was oversaturated with mecha and space operas. No fucking way, each of those pieces was a masterpiece that really pushed the boundaries.

You people are so fucking retarded.

Levi Perry
Levi Perry

Are you implying your sister is hairy, smelly or retarded?

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

He created great family movies
Fixed for you.
Also it's much safer making
Shitty SOLs over and over
Shounenshits with the same plot for 15 Years
Harem shits
You see the same shit over and over every season. And the ones that try to eacape the "safe route", even being good, doesn't sell well.
Tl;Dr : You're wrong. He's right. Shut up

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

Oh no. How will I ever go on with my life knowing I left out a word.

Ian Miller
Ian Miller

In a culture that doesn't have much piracy people buy dvds. Even poor people will end up buying their favourite stuff sometimes. It pretty much proves plenty of casuals love love live. Casuals aren't otaku

Isaac Bell
Isaac Bell

No, it's really not. Most of those flop.

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

I was implying that you need to get a gf.

Easton Reed
Easton Reed

but maybe there is some sense to what he says

And what does he say user? Because if you think those trollsubs are real then your opinion is invalid.

Gabriel Campbell
Gabriel Campbell

No it's not rofl.

It's a place for people to get more of what they want while screaming at people who don't like what they like.

Noah Gomez
Noah Gomez

Is you sister single?

Brody Kelly
Brody Kelly

Fuck off, newfag.

Robert Murphy
Robert Murphy

rofl
I'l give it another year or two then see if you start getting newideas from this board

Michael Edwards
Michael Edwards

Why not both?

Wyatt James
Wyatt James

the industry was way different back then.
Back then he was bitching about mechafags and shitty tv animation quality too.

Cooper Ross
Cooper Ross

The guy who hasn't made television anime for so long a timespan a person could be born, grow up, graduate, and get married and have kids, is qualified to discuss how it should be done in the modern business format.

Julian Bailey
Julian Bailey

You need to learn English then.

Kevin Wright
Kevin Wright

Are you new here?

Asher Flores
Asher Flores

I agree

Adam Moore
Adam Moore

He is a pedophile. That's why most Ghibli shows has little girls in it.

Jayden Gutierrez
Jayden Gutierrez

Picked up
Thanks esl-kun

Jordan Lee
Jordan Lee

Lupin III doesn't count.
Okay so if we don't count any of the TV anime that is directed by him, it is easy to see that he has never directed a TV anime.

Why are there so many of them lately.
Maybe if you only reported posts that needed to be reported instead of reporting a post everytime it hurts your feelings they would be able to do their job. In fact, they probably are just ignoring your reports at this point because you are just triggered and want your safe space.

Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

Oh no, anime is appealing to a demographic that has proven to be profitable!

Andrew Russell
Andrew Russell

In a culture that doesn't have much piracy people buy dvds
Have you ever bought a manga even though you could have read it online? Japan has a huge collectors culture, matter of fact the dvds are released months after the episodes are available online FOR FREE. The otaku watch a lot of anime and when they find one they fall in love with, they spend insane amounts of money on the dvds of that show.

Matthew Price
Matthew Price

That improper grammar

Not for you, she isn't.

Robert Brooks
Robert Brooks

Because if you think those trollsubs are real then your opinion is invalid.

It could be actually interesting to take a closer look at some of his actually real statements
actually real statements
I thought it was pretty obvious that I'm aware that most his statemts that are posted here are fake. What I'm saying is if someone opens a thread trying to criticize him, he might want to use some actual quotes.
Why this guy bitches so much the current anime industry when he never tried to do an television anime?
Is pretty vague. It's easy to attack him on the presumed basis that he simply hates everything you like, but maybe some of the stuff he complains about is worthy of criticism.

Nicholas Cooper
Nicholas Cooper

I used to go the other way on the argument and say he had a point, but what I think it comes down to really is how difficult it is to relate to anime culture these days.

Like OP said, he never made an actual show and probably knows fuck all about that core audience who watches anime consistantly and shitposts about it online, buys merch. You know, sickos. Of course he doesn't get it. If you don't have years of experience worked up following this shit, then you're not going to understand the nuances that make it so watchable.

When you think about it, the average /a/sshole could do more good for the industry then he could right now. He's the textbook definition of out of touch.

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

Okay so if we don't count any of the TV anime that is directed by him, it is easy to see that he has never directed a TV anime.
Not that guy, but what he's referring to is that Miyazaki and Takahata jointly directed about half the episodes. So he did not actually direct it, though he had significant influence.

Ian Russell
Ian Russell

posts that needed to be reported
You mean like shitposts using off-topic images?

Tyler Rivera
Tyler Rivera

Most of those flop
Most of those what? Miyazaki movies? Animes that doesn't follow the "safe route"? Shit animes repeated every season?
You gotta be more specific

Elijah Rivera
Elijah Rivera

He's the textbook definition of out of touch
I am cherrypicking now but fuck it, are you implying that an actual bigname animator is out of touch with anime, the nigga eats lunch with animators and VAs, even if he doesn't produce late night TV shows he sure as hell knows how they are made. And I would bet my waifu that he still watches cartoons.

Kevin Young
Kevin Young

posts that needed to be reported
I report every post I see that warrants deletion.

Benjamin Miller
Benjamin Miller

Aren't western cartoons anime as well?

Alexander Johnson
Alexander Johnson

The "safe" formulas he's describing are mostly flops.

Jayden Rodriguez
Jayden Rodriguez

Fair enough. I'm just assuming he keeps to himself because accomplished Japanese men tend to hang out with other accomplished Japanese men, looking down on the youth. It makes a lot of sense why he's butthurt. That's not to say he's entirely without a point.

And I would bet my waifu that he still watches cartoons.
Then why'd he only work on movies?

Evan Hill
Evan Hill

/co/

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

Why this guy bitches so much the current anime industry when he never tried to do an television anime?
except for those few TV series he did do

There you go again OP, being stupid.

Thomas Garcia
Thomas Garcia

Not him, but yes, Miyazaki is clearly out of touch. He's a seventy-five year old man with no grasp of modern culture who has spent decades now griping about the TV model that has been the norm since Astro Boy.

Jackson Thomas
Jackson Thomas

user if you want to complain about grammar first you need to correct your own posts.

Camden Fisher
Camden Fisher

But are the ones being remade every season. Being flop or not, they keep coming, and us faggots with shitty taste keep watching this shit.

Lincoln Nguyen
Lincoln Nguyen

few
You mean about half of one he co-directed?

Grayson Jones
Grayson Jones

You mean like shitposts that hurt your feelings?

Cooper Morales
Cooper Morales

Give me just little bit more time, anime will become great once more[/spoiler] ;_;

Xavier Bell
Xavier Bell

He worked on at least three.

Cameron Morales
Cameron Morales

I was just trying to give another point of view on Miazaki, I mostly agreed with your post

Though after seeing monstergirls, harems, lolis and otaku-powerfantasies selling for millions of dollars, I can't help but agree with Miazaki. Would you look at Infinite Stratos and say: I am proud that this is part of my coulture. I am picking IS because it sold and it sold well.

Then why'd he only work on movies?
I dunno

Aiden Price
Aiden Price

user are you mad at him or something? Why you keep saying hurt feelings over and over

Isaiah Flores
Isaiah Flores

Some people just prefer the format of movies. Which isn't surprising, since they get more time and much larger budgets. But in the case of Miyazaki, he actually prefers to make shorter, one shot stories. So a movie format would fit better for him.

As someone who is trying to break into the industry, I have the opposite feeling. I do much better writing 22 minute episodes and spreading the story over 22-24 episodes. I just find the flow of television to fit my stories better, though I'm sure I could also write for a movie if I put effort into it.

tl;dr: I can understand Miyazaki wanting to focus on movies. Especially since his style and attention to detail would not be sustainable in a TV series.

Kevin Torres
Kevin Torres

I only watch mature anime for mature people such as myself

Joshua Scott
Joshua Scott

Bloomers

Adrian Sullivan
Adrian Sullivan

IS being successful is definitely a herpes sore on the ass of anime.

IS isn't even good at what it attempts to do. If you want actual good, silly harem, they exist.

Liam Martin
Liam Martin

as someone hoping to break into the industry
I hope you're Japanese or have a lot of credentials.

Nathaniel Harris
Nathaniel Harris

ohno, please user, don't misunderstand. I love monmusu, monogatari, Teaching Feeling and Sword art online. I enjoy the parts of otaku culture that I myself call degenerate. But its a guilty pleasure and I might have been better of if I had never found it.

Caleb Parker
Caleb Parker

I think Mahoromatic is a better example. Most anime before that could have blatant ecchi and pointless story arcs, but still had to attempt to have some main story. Mahoromatic proved you could have a show that was just focused on 'boy walks in on the naked girl' and it would become one of the top shows of the year. Which GAINAX then ran with for the next 10 years. And many other companies imitated.

In this way, I actually can see where Miyazaki is coming from. But he's also choosing to ignore all the good shows that got made (just like much of /a/). Miyazaki and people here are just focusing on the extremes and not the whole market.

Connor Myers
Connor Myers

I don't think anyone attacking Miyazaki's stances is saying the industry is good. Just that he's a hypocrite who complains and doesn't do anything about it.

Chase Wright
Chase Wright

If you feel guilty enjoying the things you enjoy you can't really blame that on anyone but yourself.

Asher Williams
Asher Williams

I meant the western TV market. Though I hope to get into animation. Which I know is even less likely.

Nolan Sanders
Nolan Sanders

Oh, in that case good luck.

Tyler Jenkins
Tyler Jenkins

I think the industry's doing fine - I'm not defending IS specifically, but there's good stuff and bad stuff like always, and I don't think we're in any deep dark pit of shit anime like a lot of people love to claim. That said, my main point is that Miyazaki isn't complaining about the industry of the last few years, but about basically the whole history of the TV industry, and that that's just ridiculous.

Cameron Martinez
Cameron Martinez

harem shows are just boring

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

Provided that this is true, this is actually a very interesting point I hadn't considered.

I doubt he'll ever make a TV anime again, though.

Aaron Adams
Aaron Adams

Mahoromatic had a garbage story though. I wish it was just SoL antics with an android maid

Jose Baker
Jose Baker

I am IS isn't even good at what it attempts to do. If you want actual good, silly harem, they exist.
Ehh, I had a shitton of fun watching it together with Sup Forums, as far a harems go I prefer TWGOK and gatari but you COULD enjoy IS. It sure as hell sold, which pisses me off to no end when TWGOK flopped. please recommend me a new harem user, just watched Yamada-kun 7 bitches and I feel tricked out of my harem ending
its just that as a whole I feel more fulfilled when i read pic related than watch anime, now guess which one gets most of my attention?

Nolan Cox
Nolan Cox

No. Just dont like moe.

Jaxson Bennett
Jaxson Bennett

Why this guy bitches so much the current anime industry when he never tried to do an television anime?
I want ESLs to fuck off.

Brayden Edwards
Brayden Edwards

When did ESLs become the new scapegoat?
Did something happen that proved they are here in big numbers?
Dont get me wrong if they are here they really should fuck off, we should IP ban all of non Japan asia

Nicholas Ramirez
Nicholas Ramirez

i feel second hand embarrassed looking at this post

UGH I JUST FEEL MORE FULFILLED READING MUH CLASSICS COMPARED TO ANIME

Robert Evans
Robert Evans

Why is your English so awful?

Levi Foster
Levi Foster

user, if someone types with incorrect word order and obvious grammatical mistakes characteristic of ESLs, they're probably an ESL.

Ryder Rivera
Ryder Rivera

characteristic of ESLs

Didnt realize this was a thing, are non british eurofags mistakes different? But thats a good point.

Caleb Perry
Caleb Perry

It's not a scapegoat - they are actively ruining the board with poor quality posts.

Xavier King
Xavier King

harem shows are just boring
yeah but they speak to the loneliest place in my heart, for 20 minutes I can self-insert as the MC and pretend that I am not the miserable loner that I am. The fact that it does not speak to you probably means that you do not have the desire to be loved in the same way that most harem lovers do.

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

not reveling in degenerate Otaku culture
I want normalfags to leave.

Justin Brown
Justin Brown

Eurofags are mostly fine. It's the SAfags and most importantly SEAmonkeys who are the worst.

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

If someone says "me" where they should say "I," or something, that's just colloquial English. If they forget to pluralize something, that's probably just a typo. If they fuck up their articles or conjunctions or auxiliary verbs, that's an ESL.

James Moore
James Moore

I think Mahoromatic is a better example.
I tried to make an example of a show with no artistic merit besides titelation. Mahoromatic might actually be more than a soulless cashgrab which IS was. What makes me despair is that IS sold when so many shows that were subjectively better flopped.

Bentley Thomas
Bentley Thomas

How about you grow the fuck up. The man wants the anime industry to be better than the garbage we get day in and out now. How the fuck is that wrong?

Landon Phillips
Landon Phillips

it sells, that's why it's hurting the industry!

Liam Sullivan
Liam Sullivan

Seeing this shitty board being buttblasted by an old mans opinion is very entertaining
Who cares what a dying old man has to say about modern anime? Why are you retards being polarized by his opinion? His opinion is equal to mine and yours no need to make such a big deal.

Austin Bailey
Austin Bailey

Give him the money, time, and staff for a Nausicaa tv or ova series and it'll probably be great.
But what he should really do is do more manga

Brandon Gomez
Brandon Gomez

/pol/

Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

Mahoromatic might actually be more than a soulless cashgrab which IS was.
Trust me. It wasn't.

Asher Scott
Asher Scott

There is still good anime being made

There was shit anime pre-2000 as well people only remember the good stuff

Matthew Kelly
Matthew Kelly

You can change anime but you cant change its viewers
There is already a majority of anime viewers even being mildly noticed by the mainstream i.e OPM
Point is change the flow of anime today means killing anime for good

Joshua Thomas
Joshua Thomas

not reveling in degenerate Otaku culture
ctrl+f revel
we already more or less agreed in this thread that Sup Forums loves anime for what it is

Brandon Torres
Brandon Torres

>>141916569
I was trying to explain the appeal of harem, not blogging.

Elijah Wood
Elijah Wood

/shithole that is your country/

Gavin Roberts
Gavin Roberts

>>141916759
Fuck off.

Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

It's really not that recurrent and I bet at least half of the times Miyazaki doesn't go on a rant just because he feels like it, he just happens to be a central figure of the industry. You want him to give a PR answer in interviews?

Carter Morris
Carter Morris

He doest agreed with me
I bet he is a foreign

Calm down underage-kun.

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

it sells, that's why it's hurting the industry!
IT SHAPES THE INDUSTRY for better or worse, personally I enjoy Love Live but the point I was trying to make was that the people spending the money were not casuals.

Grayson Morgan
Grayson Morgan

Trust me. It wasn't.
I do user, but you could have lied atleast? I was already torrenting it and getting hype.

Isaiah Brooks
Isaiah Brooks

Old people who have been successful like to bitch, it makes them feel relevant, look at Alan Moore. It's the only why old industry guys still have an audience. Stan Lee does it too. He just uses amusing insults instead.

Jose King
Jose King

Alan Moore
his problem is that he does not like comics, your problem is that your posting /co/ images and referring to /co/ in a thread that is very otaku culture related.

Camden Robinson
Camden Robinson

People pay the $200 because they care to support a show they really enjoyed. This is standard practice and more people should do it.

Logan Myers
Logan Myers

I agree with this and I agree with the old man, but OP has a point.
If he made a TV anime, it would serve as a better complaint than venting alone. It's like complaining about the current political party in power and yet refusing to vote.

Sure, Ghibli studios have made their fair share of movies that serve a great example, but anime movies aren't really the issue here. Anime movies- even recent ones, tend to be quite good.
If anything, it's TV anime that's tripe, and it shouldn't be hard to guess where his complaints lie. He should have made another TV anime when he had the chance to set a modern example. Contrary to what people may think, a TV anime made by him would get views. His name alone would give it attention.

Little Witch Academia made a reasonable splash and that's utterly void of what otaku shits crave.

Camden Jones
Camden Jones

This is standard practice and more people should do it.
Except its not, see tumblr. Most of landwhales love Free! but only actual Fujos pay that pricetag.

Luis Cruz
Luis Cruz

It's not even about who you work with or talk with. Simple generational gaps are always there. Do you lump yourself in with kids born after 2000? Or do you relate with 70s kids? Each generation is going to look at the one before and after and find themselves different. It's no wonder anime two generations past his own seems horrible to him.

He's in the grandad group now, his preferences are no longer the mainstream and he can't understand the appeal of modern anime as it is significantly different than what he crafted in his time.

Connor Cook
Connor Cook

I mean standard practice for buyfags, to pay simply off the strength of wanting to show support. That concept alludes most people.

Josiah Jones
Josiah Jones

LWA was loli/sol pandering crap

Jonathan Cruz
Jonathan Cruz

See I already agreed that Miazai is out of touch.

Juan Turner
Juan Turner

he is kind of right.

Kayden Wright
Kayden Wright

YES!

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

That concept alludes most people.
It really does doesn't it? Is there a show you want to show support by buying but haven't actually done so yet? I want to buy some Knights of Sidonia merch, kind of because I like Mecha and monstergirl harems.

Michael Gutierrez
Michael Gutierrez

Because so few people are even on his level. 1 of them works in the same company
Even overseas only Pixar seems to compare both in quality and in quantity.

Jonathan Murphy
Jonathan Murphy

So did Eminem.
Gaining an award doesn't change the fact that he had it easy.

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

Only buyfags do that

I have to remind you that people buy overpriced shitty shirts from youtubers just because they like their retarded videoblogs.

Asher Davis
Asher Davis

0/8

Jack Rodriguez
Jack Rodriguez

Eminem directed a movie?

Carter Lewis
Carter Lewis

How on earth did Miyazaki have it easy? He's worked much more than your average industry animator.

Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy

well yes they do but how many anime fans actually buy the dvds?

Alexander Murphy
Alexander Murphy

Not him, but there are plenty of people who buy either only the first disc just to show support or their favorite episodes'disc (or the disc with the bonus they want) without buying everything, and I assume a lot of those are more casual viewers.

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

Because he can, he is fucking Miyazaki.

Jose Russell
Jose Russell

Little witch academia had cute girls doing cute things

Nicholas Hernandez
Nicholas Hernandez

Prove me wrong

Eli Peterson
Eli Peterson

Plenty is a stretch.

Tyler Lopez
Tyler Lopez

If we're talking about LL specifically, volume 1 sold 115K and none of the others went above 70k.

Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

Sorry user, no common sense in this thread. Here's a (You) for trying to bring the peace though.

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez


LWA is incredibly Otaku-friendly.

Benjamin Rogers
Benjamin Rogers

LWA is incredibly Otaku-friendly
Anime as a while is, by virtue.

Joseph Adams
Joseph Adams

8 Mile.

William Walker
William Walker

Also it should be noted that he won best original song for MOM'S SPAGHETTI, not the movie itself

Ayden Davis
Ayden Davis

mr. "nobody makes good anime anymore because they don't remember what it was like to get nuked"

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

*as a whole

Mason Rogers
Mason Rogers

Good thread guys, gotta hit the sack.
Goodnight anon-kun!

Blake Barnes
Blake Barnes

What up with under age people on Sup Forums making thread?

Blake Gomez
Blake Gomez

He's created family friendly anime movies

it´s a recent trend of Ghibli

Zachary Sullivan
Zachary Sullivan

I like see more thread like this.

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