Prisma Shirou

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

IT'S HAPPENING next month

All urls found in this thread:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4571014034
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4570995941
https://streamable.com/jueh
http://imgur.com/a/eEwLr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpaxfpMO3EQ
Levi Morales
Levi Morales

Can't wait.

Carter Ortiz
Carter Ortiz

Shirou is best magical girl.

Juan Jenkins
Juan Jenkins

Full raw out:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4571014034

Jaxon Bell
Jaxon Bell

Translations when.

Josiah Edwards
Josiah Edwards

Another source with double pages:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4570995941

Elijah Scott
Elijah Scott

Damnit Shirou. Stop being such a cool oniichan.

Julian Stewart
Julian Stewart

If the thread is still alive/this is untranslated by the time I get back later today, I'll translate it

Joseph Kelly
Joseph Kelly

lol who reads this shit

Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

its okay when Hiroyama does rhino noses

Joshua Nguyen
Joshua Nguyen

That's not the rhino nose. The whole point about the rhino nose is that it is very tall.

Jayden Campbell
Jayden Campbell

Im a retarded and I will let the Sup Forums know it
That is not rhino nose

Wyatt Stewart
Wyatt Stewart

Can we please get back to Illya already? Shirou is pretty based here but I'm not reading this for him.

Blake Allen
Blake Allen

well, in the end of this episode, looks like Angelica will win and the flashback ends with that.

Ryan Cox
Ryan Cox

looks like Angelica will win
No, the Gil card gets sent to Illya's world too, and Ange doesn't get it back till the end of 2wei, so Shirou wins suing UBW.

Jose Diaz
Jose Diaz

20 pages
Monthly

Goddamnit Hiroyama.

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith

But he was prisioner in the castle, faggot.

Jayden Bailey
Jayden Bailey

Yeah, because Angelica is totally the only fighter Julian has. You might have brain problems user.

Seriously, it's literally impossible for Angelica to have won this fight, because then she wouldn't have lost the Gil card and had it in Illya's dimension getting incarnated.

William Garcia
William Garcia

You're a fucking idiot.

Dominic Robinson
Dominic Robinson

I'm with you, what a long flashback for only 20 pages monthly.

Hunter Watson
Hunter Watson

P1
S: Julian

P2
S: I had a lot of things I wanted to say to him.
S: There a mountain of questions I wanted to ask him.
S: But there was nothing else to put into words
S: save for one thing
S: I'll have you give Miyu back to me

P3
J:...even
J: if that makes you traitor that turned his back on humanity?
J: In her lies the possibility of saving the human race from all the tragedies permeating this planet and the destruction promised to us all.
J: Are you really telling me that you're going to let your personal sentiments... your stupid goddamned sentiments are going let it all perish into nothing?
J: ...That's so not funny. I can't laugh at that at all.
J: Doing something like that...
J: Makes you evil of the worst kind...!

P4
S: ...I didn't realize. I see... So that's how it was.
S: You were
S: Fighting all on your own all this time too.
J: ...!
J: Don't talk like you actually know...!!
S: But I do know.
S: Kill one to save the whole.
S: ...I knew a human like that.
J: ...
S: ...but Julian. You didn't know about them did you?
S: About Miyu's household... About the Sakazuki family.

P5
S: They had records going all the way from their first generation down to Miyu's.
S: Of every single wish they had granted by their God Children... Do you know what it was that the Sakazukis used that power that they had all to themselves to wish for?
S: Do you?
J: ......
S: They
S: simply wished for their children to grow up healthy.
S: They should have been wishing for wealth and prosperity. But instead... All they ever had granted was what any parent would wish for their child.
S: 400 years
S: And not even a single exception to be found...!
S: IF that
S: Is what you call evil...

P6
S: Then I will be evil.
S: And so
S: Finally

P7
S: At last
M: O...
M: nii
M: chan...?

Carson Adams
Carson Adams

P8
S: Sorry...
S: For taking so long to get here...
M: Why did you...
M: come?
S: ...!
M: I heard it... from those people...
M: That you and Kiritsugu-san pick me up... so you could use my power...
M: That I am... just a tool
M: That in place of Kiritsugu-san who couldn't find the way to use me... The Ainsworths would use me to save the world instead...
M: So then why...
M: Did you come...!?

P9
S: ...all that
S: Never even really crossed my mind.
S: I came because I'm your big brother
S: And it's only natural for big brothers to protect their little sisters, right?

P10
M: ...h!
S: I've been trying to figure out
S: What needed to be done.
S: It's been one mistake after another with me. So this choice
S: Might just be a mistake as well.
S: However
S: This wish is the one true thing.
S: ...I beseech the holy grail

P11-12
S: Make the world a place where Miyu no longer has to suffer
S: Let her meet kind people...
S: Let her make friends she can laugh along with...
S: Let her
S: grasp hold of

P13
S: A tiny and warm bit of happiness.

P14
M: O...
M: Onii...

P16
S: ...sorry
S: But my little sister is working her hardest right now.
S: Could you
S: Just wait for a little bit longer?
A: ...I will not.

P17
A: Your wish shall not be granted.
A: A faker that got mixed up in the holy grail war shall not hold the miracle in their hands...!
S: So that's the real Archer card huh...
S: Gilgamesh

Zachary Phillips
Zachary Phillips

The fuck? Is that Gilko?

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

No, it's a Faker using Gil's Servant Card.

She's more creative with it and ruthless enough to avoid big slip ups but it's implied that she'll never have quite as much control and raw power with GoB as Gil.

Kayden Cruz
Kayden Cruz

It's like he's trying his best to let the anime catch up before he has a chance to end it.

Ayden Evans
Ayden Evans

Her magecraft complements it quite well too.

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

More Angelica is always nice.

Chase Walker
Chase Walker

Disregarding the fact that it was only 20 pages, this was the best chapter we've had in a while.

Christopher Rogers
Christopher Rogers

Too lazy to read it again but Angelica is with the good guys now right?

Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

reminder this is just a fucking flashback , he job at the end

Grayson Thomas
Grayson Thomas

So has anyone guessed a good identity for Tanaka yet? Seems like there should be enough clues.

Jonathan Ortiz
Jonathan Ortiz

So he already sent Miyu and the cards to Illya's universe?
next he will probably wreck Angelica and the Thor bitch will fuck him up afterwards, reason why he gets locked

Evan Wood
Evan Wood

he job at the end
Not against Angelica

Brandon Johnson
Brandon Johnson

nigga, they already explained it.

Austin Gonzalez
Austin Gonzalez

No, she's being sent. Presumably Ange loses while the portal is still open and that's how Gil ends up in Illya land.

Connor Ramirez
Connor Ramirez

people still hyped about Shirou using UBW and fucking up that bitch
implying next chapter won't be a random 5 page shot of Illya's retarded friends
implying the flashback has not already ended and he will just say in one panel that get was beaten and got jailed
are you ready to throw a bitchfit?

Isaiah Jackson
Isaiah Jackson

I'm tired of Sup Forums shitting on the god-tier UBW anime

Brayden Taylor
Brayden Taylor

ha he's going to stand his ground to not Gilko, then Thor joins and they completely wreck him
here is where the physical suffering starts

Anthony White
Anthony White

fuck you nigga
remember when this manga was all about Illya?

Caleb Martinez
Caleb Martinez

Not really, everyone here just wants the flashback to be over and done with so we can get back to the main cast.

Noah Sanchez
Noah Sanchez

Female Gil is cannon now?

Daniel Smith
Daniel Smith

No, they didn't. We only have a vague idea of her probably being some sort of counter force.

Landon Collins
Landon Collins

God-tier
UBW was shit. I mean it. I am not sarcastic about it. I hate it because after watching Fate Zero and the last scene with Shirou i had big hopes for UBW. But after i watched the first episodes i was like shocked how terrible UBW was because Shirou was no badass, just a typical shounen boy who wants to protect everyone he knows. And then Saber forms into an high school girl who has abandoned her entire character from Fate Zero and Rin who's just a typical Tsundere who likes Shirou but never says it. Those in comparison to Kiritsugu who was a real badass, a complex anti-hero who sacrificed his wife and his child for the sake of the world, Kirei and Gilgamesh who were some sadistic psychos but were badasses, Rider who was just sympathetic and cool because he was and acted like a real king. And not just the characters, the logic in UBW did like disappear, when at the end Shirou took his power from Rin, he could use a Reality Marble?? Even Rider was tired out after using such an attack and Rin had the power although she isn't even a servant? And not to forget the laughable story. Shirou, Rin and Saber are fighting a war where they could die and they make a picnic in a park????? I was like wtf. In Fate Zero this problem wasn't there because Kiritsugu etc. weren't naive children who thought nothing of the holy war. They were adults who had their ambitions and killed people heartlessly to fulfill them. In conclusion: UBW/Fate Stay Night has shitty characters, a terrible story, no good music, failed as a sequel and the only thing good about it is the soundtrack. Yeah i think now i have said everything what was on my mind about shitty UBW.

Joshua Nguyen
Joshua Nguyen

Speak for yourself faggot.

Brayden Nelson
Brayden Nelson

dat Miyu
MUH DICK

Cooper Smith
Cooper Smith

Dakimakura of Miyu in the back dress WHEN?

Elijah Kelly
Elijah Kelly

oh fuck

Matthew Butler
Matthew Butler

Can Angelica win the Shiroubowl?

John Thompson
John Thompson

Where did OP get those Raws? the one's posted in the thread aren't anywhere near that quality.

Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

So probably two more chapters?

Ryan Thompson
Ryan Thompson

Evil Shirou is evil. But then his world was always small.

Camden Reyes
Camden Reyes

Now translated version.

Aaron Bennett
Aaron Bennett

One more chapter of flashback

There's nothing left to tell other than how he got captured, you don't need that much space for such a thing.

Noah Ortiz
Noah Ortiz

Dem foreshadowing:
https://streamable.com/jueh

Gavin Ramirez
Gavin Ramirez

It'll probably be one chapter of Shirou barely holding out followed by a chapter of UBW-stomping and possibly a third chapter of him being captured after. Don't forget that the recent chapters are all super short.

Jace Carter
Jace Carter

Don't forget that the recent chapters are all super short.
Actually those all are just half-chapters. Look at chapter numbering.

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

Is shota gil still hanging around or did he wander off somewhere?

Lucas Bailey
Lucas Bailey

Just imagine what Illya in the heat version would do to that poor Miyu looking like that.

Blake Adams
Blake Adams

In universe he's only left a few hours ago.

Aaron Sanchez
Aaron Sanchez

The way they've been building him up I wouldn't be surprised if he came back. On the other hand, his storyline could just have been a convenient excuse to get rid of him and the Gil card.

Aaron White
Aaron White

Is pretty much guaranteed that he installs his card on himself and returns as full fledged Gilgamesh.

Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

I'm interested in seeing which Gil Hiroyama will write. From the few instances of him we've seen he seems pretty disgusted at everyone but that could change in his full form.

John Harris
John Harris

Hiroyama please do it, DO IT.

John Gonzalez
John Gonzalez

Chapter - http://imgur.com/a/eEwLr

Luis Rogers
Luis Rogers

Gil is currently pretty much in his "I will watch, amuse me clowns" stand. So unless somebody attack on him or find anything interesting to do, he will do nothing. In such state you can more less expect his Zero persona.

Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

And it's only natural for big brothers to protect their little sisters, right?
We truly HF now

James Davis
James Davis

holy shit
best fucking Shirou so far
he shits on the Fate route one, Archer frmo UBW route would fucking approve him and he overshadows his HF's counterpart

Hudson Torres
Hudson Torres

If anything were dem FEELS!

Lucas Gray
Lucas Gray

I wonder if we will get the Miyu counterpart of this.

Aaron Cook
Aaron Cook

Will Silver Link even able to visually handle this scene?

Hudson Rogers
Hudson Rogers

Hardly, since Miyu is really younger than Shirou.

Christian Rodriguez
Christian Rodriguez

So why Julian even let Shirou anywhere near Miyu with all his Accelerator magic and shit? Because Shirou just blew his mind with the Sakatsuki backstory?

Michael Turner
Michael Turner

Thank you based anons.

Carson Bailey
Carson Bailey

Grand Archer when

Wyatt Cox
Wyatt Cox

thanks man

David Russell
David Russell

But he won fair and square

Christopher Gonzalez
Christopher Gonzalez

Grail must be given to winner of Grail War. Julian plan was using dolls to fill places of all masters and thus guarantee that only his wish will be granted. But unfortunately for him Shirou killed all of them and get wish for himself.

Lucas Thomas
Lucas Thomas

That's a great and solid explanation. Except the part where Angelica and maybe Beatrice attack him.

Josiah Ward
Josiah Ward

Holy shit this guy is really a hero.

Owen Murphy
Owen Murphy

Beatrice might not have a card yet.

Zachary Smith
Zachary Smith

He gave up being a hero, in order to protect something far more simple.

A hero would have killed her outright to save the world in this universe, while the villain is somewhere who saves her. Doing it by the numbers is the only correct path for a hero, but just being correct isn't the only proper path.

Jose Johnson
Jose Johnson

I can't imagine how stupid or easily baited Angelica though due to she's gonna get wrecked with UBW, which she should know how to counter it.

Chase Martin
Chase Martin

A hero would have killed her outright to save the world in this universe

Only if you believe in Nasu's bullshit definition of a hero

Grayson Roberts
Grayson Roberts

A hero is one that protects the majority

Samuel Sanders
Samuel Sanders

A hero has no definition , in shirou's case was saving miu.

Asher Nelson
Asher Nelson

But not really at the cost of doing something "un-heroic". Nasu is just a cynical jaded man.

Brody Turner
Brody Turner

Why does the female Gil have huge tits?

Makes her disgusting instead of sexy. A more DFC approach would have been infinitely better.

Lincoln Gomez
Lincoln Gomez

i doubt it.

Levi King
Levi King

Well, of course that Julian will not give up so easilly.

Jason Flores
Jason Flores

That's no Gil boy, no Gil.

David Peterson
David Peterson

Milk.

Jonathan Brooks
Jonathan Brooks

Just look at trailer, they increased budget for 3rei:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpaxfpMO3EQ
It's visible especially in more detailed background and effects.

Logan Edwards
Logan Edwards

Fuck. That's actually kind of a strong moment.

Liam Morris
Liam Morris

This. I hate how he forces characters into edgy situation just to make the point of "HURR DURR YOU HAVE TO DO VILLAIN THINGS IF YOU WANT TO BE A HERO"

Julian Baker
Julian Baker

Archer already approves, that's why he answered as the class card and helped Miyu!Shirou out.

Eli Sanchez
Eli Sanchez

We'll, definitely is more romantic moment then all Nasu's romances in original FSN together.
Hiroyama is ruling.

Jace Wood
Jace Wood

Breast supremacy. The best kind of supremacy.

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

That body is made for hard rough fucking

Aaron Lee
Aaron Lee

A hero would have killed her outright to save the world in this universe, while the villain is somewhere who saves her.
It's literally the opposite.

Josiah Anderson
Josiah Anderson

wait wich chapter was this?

Adam Nelson
Adam Nelson

Reminder that right now she is dressed in nothing than bare shirt.

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

Neither. Side material omake.

Caleb Wilson
Caleb Wilson

Not in Nasuverse; the hero isn't perfect, thus the hero has the make sacrifices in order to ensure the correct outcome, and the correct outcome is the most people saved. The hero has to pick the majority over his family or friends since they're the smaller number, or else he's not a hero since the hero saves the many rather than the few. However that isn't to say that if he chooses to save something else from the majority, that such a thing would be wrong either, but he's no longer a hero like that. By saving something other than the plain majority, you are recognizing that as far as the world matters you are the villain, since you didn't save them all and instead chose to save someone close to you.

Its the focus of two or three routes, and Zero.

Shirou in Prisma plainly states that he's the villain, because that's what he had to accept in order to save Miyu even when the world was craving her death in order to save the majority.

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

This is my fetish: covered top, naked bottom.

Samuel Stewart
Samuel Stewart

Not in Nasuverse
Irrelevant.

Chase Perez
Chase Perez

I'm pretty curious what Hiroyama is planning with her. Since unlike others where is pretty clear what happens next, she is entirely wildcard. She is now doll without will or any goal, so she can do really anything.

Adrian Torres
Adrian Torres

This is the dumbest shit I read.

Owen Ortiz
Owen Ortiz

What are those tits doing on Gil? Is this series actually canon and not moeshit?

Luke Stewart
Luke Stewart

You know, you could always read stories rather than just getting impotently mad without understanding anything.

If you read Prisma, then you know the specifics for how the grail war work are different than normal. A hero isn't summoned, rather their soul is subjugated within the form of a card, that can be installed upon a person to give them the power or knowledge of that hero.

Its a cheaper method of summoning than summoning the full heroes at least. You install a hero's soul to a card, and then install that to a person in order to fight. In this grail war the master has to be part of the fight, and its about how you use the heroes power since the hero is nothing but just raw power that overwrites the master a bit here. The hero is just a weapon in a raw sense.

That's a girl with Gilgamesh's power installed into herself.

Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

It's hard to get into the story when they were flashing their loliass 80% of the time.

Joseph Foster
Joseph Foster

The fans for the anime like to just portray the loli part of it, pretending that's the only part to it. Its like how Rosario Vampire manga and anime were very different, with the anime being nothing but forced and toned up fanservice after awhile.

You'll get fans of Prisma who pretend there's nothing but loli. Then you occasionally get the rare actual discussion where we talk about the plot of the manga.

Is fanservice the reality of it? Not really, it is a legit story of an alternate world grail war with shit happening and servants. There is still fanservice though, that is also part of it. Although if you listen to some people, they'll act like that's all there is probably.

Anthony Hernandez
Anthony Hernandez

You know, you could always read stories rather than just getting impotently mad without understanding anything.
You could have just ended it right here. Dumbasses don't deserve explanations.

Daniel Perry
Daniel Perry

Angelica is best doll.

Justin Diaz
Justin Diaz

I think he means that if you had to sacrifice a girl to save the world, then it's probably correct. But by not picking that Shirou picked evil since he is dooming humanity.

Cameron Gomez
Cameron Gomez

I hate how long this flashback got dragged out. I don't know if what the fuck is going on with Hiroyama but damn it feels really fucking shitty waiting for a monthly manga that only has the same page count of a weekly one.

Charles Russell
Charles Russell

This is what a good onii-chan looks like.

Nathaniel Mitchell
Nathaniel Mitchell

What would happen to Shirou if he grabbed her breasts?

And how jealous would Ilya be?

Asher Cook
Asher Cook

Bit misleading; he's not dooming humanity, they are still stated to adapt and survive no matter what happens here. Its just that they would adapt and survive faster if this girl died for their sake to speed up their evolution a bit.

In the time it takes to evolve, some will have died, which means the correct path to save the most people is to kill her. If you're just looking at it in a Kiritsugu way, one life is less than a dozen. However just because the majority is saved by that action, there is a an inhumanity of sacrificing people for the sake of altruism and humanity that can't be condoned.

From a human perspective of the majority there's no doubt that the correct choice is to kill her in the story, but there are times when it feels more noble to be the villain even when you know some won't be saved because of this, in order to protect those you love.

William Reed
William Reed

I can't believe it's been nearly a year already.

Kevin Morris
Kevin Morris

Miyu would slap him silly.

Bentley Evans
Bentley Evans

You missed an important part.

That whole thing isn't the Nasuverse Dictionary Definition Of A Hero, it's the definition Kiritsugu ultimately comes up with to justify his actions. Like 80% of the characters in the Fate series are Real, Certified Heroes and almost none of them try to break it all down into numbers like that.

Shirou deciding he's a villain for choosing to prioritize Miyu over the people of the world isn't the author saying he's a villain, because that's something 100% of shonen heroes would do. It's /him/ saying that he's a villain because it goes against what he grew up understanding.

Luke Gray
Luke Gray

However, just because something is more noble for the viewers, we can't deny that it would be the less correct or evil choice from the humanistic perspective. Saving her means you are dooming someone else, the majority has to be saved.

This is why you are the villain if you save her, but from the viewers perspective this isn't really a bad thing. They know Miyu, they like Miyu, they want her saved, while they don't know all those NPCs in the background that might die for him not being killed. You are the villain for the characters in the story, but for the readers its noble even if he takes on evil for this action.

Side note though; Julian underestimated the power of magical girls and hope and ideals and shit. In a normal Fate story you can't save everything, so a sacrifice has to be made. But since its Prisma, Ilya will find a way to save everything.

Gabriel Lee
Gabriel Lee

But since its Prisma, Ilya will find a way to save everything.
First of all, we still don't even know how big price will be must paid. So don't know whether happy end is really possible. This can be magical girls series, but still it's also Fate series. Not mention that even not every magical girls series will end happy. For now I would expect bittersweet ending.

Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts

Are finally ending this fucking flashback?
Holy shit.

Jonathan Brooks
Jonathan Brooks

Sakura is the purest being of love.

Jordan James
Jordan James

Not really, the hero just has to be strong enough to save both.

Andrew Scott
Andrew Scott

UBW soon?

Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson

Seriously, why is this Shirou so much more tolerable than both the DEEN and ufotable versions? It's like Night and Day.

Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

Maybe she has higher affinity with the Gilgamesh card than anyone expected and she'll provide some insight on how to beat ko-Gil with the card and then she'll get to use that card again.

Caleb Edwards
Caleb Edwards

He gave up on Justice for his little sister.

Jonathan Stewart
Jonathan Stewart

You fail to understand what Kiritsugu method was, he wasnt a hero and nobody view him as a hero ... he was hated because he was inhuman, nobody liked what he did or view him as a hero.

Fate is all about humanity, what Kiritsugu did was something even he thought was wrong and that is why he sought the Grail, Shirou inherited the "hero" idea from him not because it was right but just so he could actually life with himself, the entire story of Fate is about LIMITS even with Heroes, nobody would accept a hero that would willing let 50 people to die to save 100, a HERO is someone that saves everyone and this is why Arthuria and Kiritsugu were hated because they didntt do that, they saved the "greater number", not people.

Zachary Evans
Zachary Evans

That's possible. It would also resolve fact, that she is only one, without any card right now. Others definitely divide other cards between themself.

Angel Flores
Angel Flores

Because Hiroyama rolled with Heaven's Feel Shirou.

A lot of HF Shirou is is defined by his interactions with Illya. Hiroyama took that and ran with with it.

It all works out because Hiroyama actually has the writing skills to make a likable and developed sibling pair.

Caleb Fisher
Caleb Fisher

Since people of today prefer rather "fuck world, save girl" option than typical heroic values.

Juan Taylor
Juan Taylor

Because this is oniichan Shirou

Nolan King
Nolan King

Just give her Rider or Assassin card, her installs can't anymore lewder than their original heroic spirit.

Ayden Allen
Ayden Allen

Angelica in Rider's outfit would be pretty nice.

Chase Walker
Chase Walker

They were going to retrieve the grail so that they could start a new Grail War. They're Julian's underlings, but they weren't participants in the war.

Lincoln Taylor
Lincoln Taylor

So Angelica and whoever Thor girl was called are pretty much this universe's equivalent of Sella and Leysritt, right?

W-Would a Shirou/Angelica end basically be a Shirou/Sella end?

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

Julian pls.

Jonathan Ortiz
Jonathan Ortiz

Shirou loves Sakura and even if she doesn't return, he won't move on. The manga portrayed it as serious love enough to make him destroy his humanity and power up in sheer rage.

Justin Hughes
Justin Hughes

W-Would a Shirou/Angelica end basically be a Shirou/Sella end?

user stop, your desperation for a shirou/sella end its making you say incoerent things

Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

It would be pretty dumb decision from Illya and co. give her any card right now. First of all the needs them for themself, otherwise they don't have too much chances against Ainswoths and second, Angelica maybe is lacking free will and right now stated that they can do wathewer they want with her, but she is still Ainworth's doll. So it would be pretty dangerous to give her any card.

Justin Gray
Justin Gray

He love Miyu more though

Aiden Walker
Aiden Walker

Sluts are for now, Imoutos are forever.

Alexander Davis
Alexander Davis

A Shero/Angelica is more equivalent of Shero/Leys.

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

The resemblance is uncanny.

Adrian Phillips
Adrian Phillips

Well, but this time imouto is really imouto. So this twist is impossible without any bullshit.

Caleb Sanchez
Caleb Sanchez

Sella's speciality is her magic, while Leysritt is all about physical power. Those map to Angelica and Beatrice pretty obviously.

The only weird bit is how Beatrice is super crazy instead of being super bored, but Angelica's personality is pretty much the same as Sella's so it still checks out.

And Prisma Shirou's been in a lot of gags with Sella a lot, so it only seems reasonable his Miyuverse counterpart would be associated with Sella's counterpart too.

Dylan Perry
Dylan Perry

With Flashback nearly end and final battle on the horizon. How you think that Illya and co. will divide cards between themself? Since is pretty obvious that it will happen.
Shirou doesn't need card, Kuro is stuck with Archer card and Caster card was destroyed.
So we have
Saber card
Lancer card
Rider card
Berserker card
Assassin card
for
Illya
Miyu
Rin
Luvia
Bazett
Who will get which card?

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

Deen = Fate Route, and Ufotable = UBW Route. In both of these Shirou is defined by his ideal to save everyone, without regard to himself.

This version of Shirou is basically HF Shirou - That saving everyone is fine, but those closest to me are more important than other people - so it is no longer a numbers game ala Kiritsugu. Also starts out already powered up, and not a newb as in the other shows, so more Protag-ish.

Logan Baker
Logan Baker

How do you not break it down into numbers?

Ryan Murphy
Ryan Murphy

Rin
Luvia
Bazett
None of them can install cards because they're not Ainsworth dolls and they don't have spare Kaleidosticks?

Connor Cruz
Connor Cruz

implying they won't just summon the servants themselves

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

By not being an autist.

Ryder Bell
Ryder Bell

You apparently still don't understand how cards works. Any magus can instal card. All you need is enough Prana or some good Mystic Code.

They can't. That's not how card works.

Jose Turner
Jose Turner

World traversing magic user here. Was in a world where Dark Souls was never made so Hiroyama didn't do this whole split chapters in half before sending them off to his publisher thing. Let me spoil it for you:


After this flashback Angelica will speak up and we'll start the Ainsworths' flashback
It'll reveal how similar Julian was raised to Shirou and show that Julian and his dad fought the day Fuyuki got blasted
Before Erica's secrets get explained though Julian attacks the mansion ala Caster and takes Illya
2 volume long climax follows
Quad install spread, Shirou vs Berserker Sakura, BASAKA Illya vs Thor, Moon Cell-Notes Tanaka, JULIANAINSWORTH!! & EMIYASHIROU!!!, Gil vs Mongrels
Triple Grail creates a chance to save the world that Julian will go on a journey to make happen
Good end but shirou's body finally falls apart
He wakes up in Angelica's body since she was willing to timeshare with him
Last chapter seems like Shirou and Miyu stay in their world but Shirou pushes Miyu into the transfer circle
Goodbye moment, then Julian teleports Shirou into the circle too saying he never wants to see him ever again
4ier only just started and it's HA-Zero

Dylan James
Dylan James

You apparently still don't understand how cards works.
To be fair, we don't actually know exactly how they work. Shirou Installed a card that was LITERALLY himself, Ilya and Miyu use the Kaleidosticks as a fusion catalyst, and everyone else who has successfully Installed is a doll or Julian (who, given that they're the alternate-universe equivalent of the Einzberns, could very well be a doll himself). Sakura ATTEMPTED to Install, but we still don't actually know for a fact that she isn't a doll.

Adam Martinez
Adam Martinez

As a brother, but not as a lover.

Kayden Jackson
Kayden Jackson

Ilya and Miyu use the Kaleidosticks as a fusion catalyst
The first time Illya did it she did it without Ruby.

Brody Thomas
Brody Thomas

Both Miyu and Illya are grails so they just made it work.

Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

Whatever happened to Maiya in both universes anyways.
I liked that theory that Miyu came from a universe where Kiritsugu banged Maiya and Miyu was the result even if it didn't actually end up happening.

Levi Martin
Levi Martin

What so the same universe as normal then? They'd been banging for a while.

Alexander Collins
Alexander Collins

We know exactly how they works. Cards are overwriting magic, that uses Person body or Mystic Codes to overwrite them with abilities of legendary heroes. Kirei himself specified that (see image).
Also when Illya instaled for first time he used no Kaleidostick, but her own body. Ruby was protecting others at that time. And Sakura failed in installing just because her car was blank, not because wasn't doll. You should better read and not assuming wrong things. Also Shirou succeeded because EMIYA is technically hero without name. Which is why he could be summoned even with blank card.

Nathan James
Nathan James

And Sakura failed in installing just because her car was blank, not because wasn't doll
I didn't say she failed because she wasn't a doll.

Which is why he could be summoned even with blank card.
Pretty sure Shirou used himself as a catalyst to summon the Heroic Spirit EMIYA to the card.

Justin Jackson
Justin Jackson

Maiya already had a rape baby in her backstory that you hear about in Zero

Then you see him again in Fate/Strange

Cooper Turner
Cooper Turner

Also if it's not enough for you, then should realise, that this was FIFTH war. So there must be four wars before. And its participants were normal mages that used cards. So yes, is definitely posible for Rin, Luvia and Bazett to use them.

Owen Robinson
Owen Robinson

There are conditions for using the cards it seems. We don't know if its as simple as knowing the chant, or if its being picked by the grail.

Those who are picked however seem to have the knowledge of how to use the cards and how to install them instinctively in their brain. Ilya and Shirou both by instinct understood the proper way to use it, while Bazett or Rin could not use it this way so far, and admit only Ilya or Miyu can do it.

This is why Bazett handed over the cards, since only Ilya could use them.

Asher Wright
Asher Wright

are you actually Mathew matosis?

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

I didn't say she failed because she wasn't a doll.
Technically you said that.
Pretty sure Shirou used himself as a catalyst to summon the Heroic Spirit EMIYA to the card.
Normally cards contain aspect of specific hero that is installed on user of card, but Shirou's card was blank. Luckily for him, EMIYA exist in throne of heroes and thus when Shirou used card on himself card rewrited itself to become EMIYA card. Basically instead of card overwriting Shirou, Shirou overwrited card.

Jeremiah Gonzalez
Jeremiah Gonzalez

I literally said that there was no evidence that she WASN'T a doll, implying she might have been. I was just saying that her failure to Install was not evidence that she wasn't.

Anthony Martin
Anthony Martin

I am not who you are replying to but just chiming in. Childish or not childish, The Fate Zero characters at least are steadfast in their fulfilling their stupid utopian ambitions for the world until the last few episodes. Idiotic or not, they fucking commit hardcore. They sacrifice a shit ton of stuff to achieve what turns out to be something that in the end could never exist. The brutal reality of just how blind they are never goes away while UBW tends to be a case where the naive idealism of Shirou actually wins out in the end, which is where I think it falls short compared to Zero.

What I am trying to say is that childish or not, Zero smashes naive idealism in the face while UBW embraces it too much in some points.

Robert Cooper
Robert Cooper

When Bazett and Rin gived cards to Miyu and Rin, they don't really knew what card were. For them it was unknown magic from different world. Now after hearing Shirou's story they know it. So there is no really reason for them to not use them.

Levi Cooper
Levi Cooper

Miyu and Rin
Damn, I wanted say Miyu and Illya.

Levi Taylor
Levi Taylor

Well no shit, UBW is only the second part in a trilogy while Zero is a complete story.

Landon Hughes
Landon Hughes

Maiya is presumably just still out traveling with Kiritsugu.

I would die laughing if Ilya and Shirou just think of her as the crazy aunt they'd rather pretend doesn't exist.

Kevin Lopez
Kevin Lopez

Grail is not picking anything in this war. This war was created to utilize completed natural Grail, not create artificial one. So grail itself is rather pasive part of system. Masters are choosen by Ainsworths who give them cards. Which is how Sakura get her card.

Cooper Hernandez
Cooper Hernandez

Sakura was alive, Shinji killed her
Then Julian turned her into another doll and gave her Lancelot
Shirou didn't literally installed himself, he used himself as a Catalyst to create a new Archer card from the already Blank Card.
Sakura didn't fail at Installing, the card was just empty.
You don't need the kaleidosticks to install them

Justin Cook
Justin Cook

Also if wasn't possible install card on normal magus, Sakura would not giving card to Shirou in first place.

Julian Lewis
Julian Lewis

Shirou vs Berserker Sakura
It was pretty much given that who will deal with Berserker Sakura will be SABER INSTALL RIN!
It's inevitable.

Owen Gonzalez
Owen Gonzalez

inb4 Prisma movie about Shirou's backstory

Luis Martin
Luis Martin

It'd only be like 2-3 episodes regularly.

Noah Rogers
Noah Rogers

She's not even supposed to know that he's a magus. Besides when you kill someone they leave a corpse. And since she's like double agent who worked under Julian we can assume that she's a doll who somehow developed feelings/borrowed them from the original all along.

Christian Butler
Christian Butler

Everything you said was off

Julian told her he was a magus, he thought he had her under lock and key for awhile ever since he took her in, she pretended to accept the mission to stop him, really she was going to give him her card, turns out it was all a test by Julian to see if she was a betrayer, he sent Shinji to watch her in case she joined Shirou which she did. If things went wrong then he takes them both out.

You say she couldn't know he's a magus, its literally the same situation described in Fate, where Zouken sent Sakura over to spy on Shirou originally but she ended up defecting.

She didn't leave a corpse not because she was a doll, if she was a doll she still would have left a body as shown with Shinji. She didn't leave a body behind because before she hit the ground Julian had already snatched her back within his palm using his fake NP he showed before. You see her body being consumed by shadows and teleported away before she dies.

As she was dying Julian either implanted her soul into a puppet to make her easier to control, or healed her but still used some voodoo to make her easier to control, if that's where you want to go with it. Since Julian realized she couldn't be trusted like Beato and Angelica, he decided to keep her in a perpetual madness on a short leash as Berserker.

Jeremiah Sanders
Jeremiah Sanders

Julian told her he was a magus
You know that he entered the war only after Julian kidnapped Miyu right? What's the point of even spying on him? Also if we assume that he knew that Shirou is a magus because of his land supervisor abilities, he'd track Miyu as well because she's a Grail level mana container and Kiritsugu's barriers are far from perfect. Hell, he even stated that he had no idea that Shirou had a sister and that he only monitored Sakatsuki's house. I think this whole Sakura subplot is very stupid.

Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

I'd pay ticket fare for it. Especially if they expand the servant fight montage a bit.

Wyatt Hall
Wyatt Hall

Why do I have the feeling Last Stardust kinda fit this flashback arc?

Josiah Bailey
Josiah Bailey

Shirou spent 3 months trying to break into Julian's house before the Holy Grail War started. He could've rung her up one day and asked her to spy on senpai.

Brody Miller
Brody Miller

You mean 1 month. Anyway, Julian is shit at looking for a needle in a haysack even though the needle was bigger than said haysack

Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

But how does Miyu feel about him though?

Mason King
Mason King

Shirou is the only family she has. If she loved Shirou as a lover, she wouldn't have used her wishcraft to make herself his actual blood related sister

Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

Why

I just wanted my cute loli girls

What the fuck happened

Henry Myers
Henry Myers

Good things.

David Gonzalez
David Gonzalez

She's a hardcore brocon, so yes she would.

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

Neither side is particularly demonized by Nasu.

A person who only judges things by numbers is also the type who would sacrifice innocent children on a rumor that it would cure famine in the world for example. The ends justify the means has always had many glaring flaws when applied realistically. But on the other side of the equation, Nasu doesn't hide the fact that personal sentiment can be selfish and hypocritical. If anything, the message should be that "the right thing" isn't something easy to gauge.

Shirou was always at heart more of a Spiderman tier Neutral Good type. It's why I get confused why people act like HF was an alternate Shirou instead of a practical application of what Shirou believed the ideal he should follow should be. And an ideal isn't static because people aren't static, they change and develop, just like all heroes do in their careers. If you didn't have that "worthless sentiment" you wouldn't be a hero in the first place.

Nathaniel Young
Nathaniel Young

That one user in the other thread probably got it pretty much spot on.

Illya: Berserker (obviously)
Rin: Saber so she can fight Sakura/Lancelot
Bazett: Lancer

Those three are pretty much guaranteed, while whichever cards Luvia and Miyu between Rider and Assassin get doesn't really matter. Miyu will probably get Assassin simply because we've already seen her wearing Rider gear.

Adam Jenkins
Adam Jenkins

Rider's suit also fits Luvia's physique more.

Robert Gomez
Robert Gomez

Miyu will probably get Assassin
All money, that Miyu's Assassin install will look like unused loli Zero Assassin.

Nicholas Nguyen
Nicholas Nguyen

Does the Assassin card have a specific Hassan tied to it, or does the card choose which Hassan to use depending on the person?

Jackson Martin
Jackson Martin

At very least it looks that Assassin card is currently tied to The Hundred-Faced Hassan. But each user is getting different own look of specific hero.

Jordan Baker
Jordan Baker

I can fap to this.

Leo Bailey
Leo Bailey

What's with Julian and the dresses he puts Miyu in? They obviously have more modest stuff lying around but the guy keeps putting his best friend's little sister in adult clothing.

Xavier Davis
Xavier Davis

It might be a Mystic Code that's a necessary part of the ritual, like the Dress of Heaven in FSN.

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