This is your fate tonight

Cooper Powell
Cooper Powell

This is your fate tonight

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Easton Diaz
Easton Diaz

10/10 would _be_ her.

Levi Williams
Levi Williams

I'd like to exchange her for a better Fate.

Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

I accept it.

Liam Powell
Liam Powell

Will she Stay the Night?

Ryder Mitchell
Ryder Mitchell

Masterful.

Robert Cooper
Robert Cooper

Rin is cute
Rin is pretty
Rin is smart
Rin is powerful
Rin is beautiful
Rin is clever
Rin is gorgeous
Rin is sexy
Rin is funny
Rin is confident
Rin is loyal
Rin is strong

Rin is best

Carson Jackson
Carson Jackson

Rin a shit.

Aaron Roberts
Aaron Roberts

Why is there no fanart of swole Rin? It says in F/HA that not only does she lift, she even takes protein powder and creatine.

Brandon Harris
Brandon Harris

it obviously all goes to that delicious anus

Alexander Williams
Alexander Williams

Thats not all she takes

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

There is that one picture.
But did it say exactly how much she lifted?
She probably just works out enough to not gain weight from reading all them magic books all day

Samuel Turner
Samuel Turner

Maybe her anus was dirty because she was bulking at the time.

Alexander Anderson
Alexander Anderson

Can I impregnate her and have a cute daughter who I can give headpats to?

John Wilson
John Wilson

I LOVE TOHSAKA RIN

Benjamin Nelson
Benjamin Nelson

Rin is not just my favorite Fate girl, she's my favorite T/M girl. Nobody comes close. Not Aoko, not Shiki, not Saber. Not even my second favorite, Hisui, comes within a mile of the perfection that is Rin Tohsaka. I love her.

Julian Reed
Julian Reed

Given her personality, I don't think she would half-ass her physical training. The only reason she isn't noticeably muscular is that it would affect sales.

Cooper Martinez
Cooper Martinez

I'd saw off her horn and sell it on black market.

Evan Reed
Evan Reed

Rin is cool.

Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy

I think when saber was playing around with the equipment she dropped it on accident, due to the weight

Cooper Powell
Cooper Powell

Rin a shit

Henry Jackson
Henry Jackson

RIN IS A MIRACLE

Jonathan Morgan
Jonathan Morgan

LUVIA PAYS YOUNG WOMEN TO PLEASE HER

Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

Rin a shit.

Evan Mitchell
Evan Mitchell

Is this what /u/ wanted?

Luis Rogers
Luis Rogers

REMOVE LUVIA

REMOVE OHOHO

Julian Campbell
Julian Campbell

No, I'm just pointing out that Luvia is a faceless fat old man in an ojou's body.

Brandon Miller
Brandon Miller

Who the fuck ties someone up with the chain going up their butt crack? Seriously, that chain's gonna need a wash now. That's just unhygienic, especially since Rin's the kind to struggle so her crack probably smells something awful. Waste of a good chain if you ask me.

Easton Lopez
Easton Lopez

This is my Jannu!

Parker Bennett
Parker Bennett

No

Levi Harris
Levi Harris

So, uh, why is that her head looks way narrower in the UBW show than in the game? It is sort of odd because everybody else looks just like they did in the VN while she is made to look a bit ayy lmao in the anime.

Brandon Fisher
Brandon Fisher

Oh

Alexander Gomez
Alexander Gomez

Rin is a:

Beautiful
Irresistible
Talented
Cute
Hottie

James Brooks
James Brooks

I think they may have been trying to preemptively prevent Rhinoface

Of course it didn't work in the epilogue but hey, props for trying?

Jaxon Garcia
Jaxon Garcia

Rin is perfect

Samuel Rogers
Samuel Rogers

You can't remove perfection

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

All of the characters went through some level of design changes with UBW. Rin might be one of the most obvious because you probably end up looking at her the most (other than Shirou, but the VN's shown from a first person perspective, so whatever).

Logan Taylor
Logan Taylor

Now that I look at it, it is not really that hear head is narrow, but something definitely looks off, although other characters like Shirou and Saber look spot on.

Still, I can't really put my finger on what is wrong. Maybe its just that the art style is different

Jordan Clark
Jordan Clark

Her hair is definitely different. The twintails are more toned down. Hair is less shiny, too.

Rin also tends to wear a lot more outfits in the Ufotable show than in the game.

Jason Young
Jason Young

DELETE THIS

Joshua Reyes
Joshua Reyes

not a direct comparison to the VN, but probably somewhat relevant.

Tyler Garcia
Tyler Garcia

rin is loyal

kek

Gabriel Cruz
Gabriel Cruz

nice desu ne

Cooper Smith
Cooper Smith

She is, really. I mean she always has Shirou's back throughout the VN.

Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

Ditch her and take this cutie on a date.

Gabriel Reyes
Gabriel Reyes

Wrong image

Blake Long
Blake Long

Wrong lady

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

Medea, please go.

Jaxson Kelly
Jaxson Kelly

Yeah but that's Saber without Mana

Nathan Cooper
Nathan Cooper

rin thread

Lucas White
Lucas White

maybe the chain is going in her ass

Mason Rodriguez
Mason Rodriguez

Rin already did her.

Matthew Rodriguez
Matthew Rodriguez

Forgetting Rin already slept with both Saber and Rider in different routes.

Jonathan Williams
Jonathan Williams

Rin pleases...

Angel Hughes
Angel Hughes

old men...

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

Please, Luvia is not an old man.

Samuel Sullivan
Samuel Sullivan

I NEED /fit/ Rin.

Logan Richardson
Logan Richardson

Imagine that threesome.

Hudson Sanchez
Hudson Sanchez

only girl to stand by Shirou in all three routes
saves her almost-rapist from death, just to help Shirou realize his ideals
looks after Shirou to ensure he doesn't become a Counter Guardian
Supports Shirou's decision to leave Clocktower, even if it gets in the way of her own progress as a mage

She's loyal as fuck. 10/10

Brody Reyes
Brody Reyes

If you like ambitionless bimbos, sure. Some of us like women who stand as equals to the men like Saber and not just glorified babysitters.

Austin Gutierrez
Austin Gutierrez

Rin and Shirou help each other out.

In the Fate route, most of the time it's Saber saving Shirou's ass.

Lucas Kelly
Lucas Kelly

Or Shirou "Helping" and getting fucking wrekt because he's a human and not even a good magus.

Logan King
Logan King

I'm fat, old and starting to go bald, so it's a perfect fit

Isaiah Cruz
Isaiah Cruz

Why are they wrestling?

Isaiah King
Isaiah King

Be cause what you wish for

Carter Ramirez
Carter Ramirez

Hatesex.

Lucas Rodriguez
Lucas Rodriguez

give me illya

Aaron Clark
Aaron Clark

ambitionless
teams up with Waver to destroy the Holy Grail for good, ending all Grail Wars forever

She and Waver did more good for the world than any other Fate character.

Sebastian Murphy
Sebastian Murphy

If I play Realta Nua, I won't actually get to see that, will I?

Robert Morales
Robert Morales

Some of us like women who stand as equals to the men
Come on now

Jeremiah Turner
Jeremiah Turner

Nope, instead you get bloodsucking.

Kevin Thompson
Kevin Thompson

B-but I can't get the original to work under Wine. ;_;

Carter Lee
Carter Lee

This is your bait tonight.

Colton Brown
Colton Brown

scratches
yes

Dylan Young
Dylan Young

This is your STRONGEST tonight.

Ayden Wilson
Ayden Wilson

Name five things that could take all of Herc's lives at once that aren't Jackie Chan

Isaac Anderson
Isaac Anderson

1. Asspulls
2. Himself
3. Jackie Chan
4. Uhh FUCK

Joshua Peterson
Joshua Peterson

I'm fated to turn into Rin?

Parker Powell
Parker Powell

Sounds like an alright fate.

Wyatt Edwards
Wyatt Edwards

How the fuck does Shirou help Rin out? Saber and Shirou help each other out, Rin does everything for Shirou and he takes her for granted.

The Grail isn't really that relevant and she was only following Waver's orders. Maybe she always depended on men.

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

Is this why Fate route climax is about Saber and Shirou fighting side by side against different opponents (even union-wielding Avalon) while UBW route climax was about Rin getting saved by Archer and doing nothing of note?

Lincoln Thompson
Lincoln Thompson

What the fuck are you talking about? Shirou saves Rin several times throughout the story, and the same for Rin saving Shirou.

Also you're making up that Rin was following Waver around. We don't know anything about the specifics of the dismantling of the grail.

Robert Diaz
Robert Diaz

Rin saves Shinji and uses her command seals to power Saber destroying the grail. The former is a very important part of the theme of the route.

Saber and Shirou werent' fighting side by side in the Fate climax, either. They were off having their own individual fights.

Julian Torres
Julian Torres

Shirou helps and saves Saber just as much, idiot. But Shirou never actually helps Rin with her problems. He never saved her. He ignores her when she's opening her heart about Sakura in UBW. He only focuses on himself in UBW. The most masturbatory route of the three.

Waver is officially the one who took down the Grail. Rin was one of the people who helped him.

Alexander Reed
Alexander Reed

None of that is a great accomplishment. Shinji didn't deserve to live. Saber destroyed the Grail, all Rin did was to get on the way and nearly get everyone killed if wasn't for Archer's intermission. She did absolutely nothing.

Fate climax is about Shirou and Saber fighting the final bosses, even if the battles were separated, they took place at the same time, and they defeated them in unison. THIS is a real battle couple. One that lives their ambitions and dreams, respecting each other and enduring in their love. Last scene of Fate route is their reunion now, after their journeys are complete. Last scene of UBW route is Shirou walking alone.

Jace Cooper
Jace Cooper

Shinji didn't deserve to live
Kill yourself.

Ryan Walker
Ryan Walker

There was no inherent problem to be had with Rin and Sakura in the situation in UBW. For all Rin knew, Sakura was perfectly fine. She had no reason to delve deeper into it when there was no pressing need to, unlike in HF, where the stakes are different.

Shirou does help Rin, though, both in the literal "I saved your butt" sense, and as a character. He helps her see there's more to being a magi than what her father presented to her. At first she sees his actions, the way he acts, as being completely at odds with what it means to be a mage. They're supposed to be cold, and ruthless, and while she tries to act like it, that isn't what she wants. Shirou helps her vindicate that mindset.

Eli Baker
Eli Baker

No, you kill yourself. Rin jeopardized many lives for that piece of shit. Look, I agree Rin and Shirou started as team, but by the end of UBW, Rin's existence orbits on Shirou, she's not important, only Shirou. She doesn't have dreams, ambitions, or even a family crest in Realta Nua, she is more a yes man and extension of Shirou as a typical Urobutchi woman than her own usual self. She doesn't shine at fucking all in last days, she's reduced to damsel in distress twice in a row.

While Saber and Shirou start with her as his protector and he trying to protect her and failing and evolves as a real battle couple around Herakles battle when their joint effort take down Herakles (meanwhile Shirou and Rin fail to take down Kuzuki and Caster, as contrast to Saber and Shirou team). That's why they have equal shine in the climax, both facing each other's foils and summoning Avalon through their bond and mutual partnership. They stand as equals in the farewell, each with their own journey and a love that would eventually reunite them.

Leo Perez
Leo Perez

I mean, throwing around the word "deserve" is a bit much, but he was a huge whiny rapist cunt.

Parker Green
Parker Green

HF sheds light that Rin isn't fine inside. He never bothered to help or understand her issues. Their UBW relationship is shallow as fuck. Saving for Shirou (and as Archer understands it) isn't just "i'll rescue you from a robber" that has absolutely no weight to the impact he wants to make. HF is the route he actually saves Rin, not just Sakura. In UBW, he completely ignores her.

Camden Davis
Camden Davis

Shinji didn't deserve to live

Right off the bat you don't understand one of the important messages of UBW.

It's validation for both her and Shirou's character. She wants to save people, so Shinji needs. Rin needs to save Shinji, for the sake of her sister, but also to show that she backs Shirou's philosophy now 100%.

Fate climax is about Shirou and Saber fighting the final bosses, even if the battles were separated, they took place at the same time, and they defeated them in unison

A complete non-point, since the destruction of the grail and Shirou's fight with Gil happen roughly at the same time as well.

Last scene of UBW route is Shirou walking alone.

Rin and Shirou are still together. The point though is that Rin understands Shirou's dream, and doesn't want to anchor him down and hinder him, because she now believes what he's doing is a worthy cause.

Gabriel Hughes
Gabriel Hughes

christ how can you still argue this same tired shit year after year

jut post more rin you queers

Evan Ward
Evan Ward

Read, I'm not going to touch this.

Rin and Shirou are still together.
Maybe in your headcanon. What matters is what the author shows. In UBW, added on written epilogue, last image is SHIROU ALONE ON HIS JOURNEY. This is what matters. He could have photoshopped Rin at the other end of the path, but he didn't give a fuck.

Fate's route last image is... Saber and Shirou embracing each other after a long journey for both of them. It's not about Shirou alone. It's about Saber too. Because in UBW, Rin became a nonentity, a cocksleeve for Shirou to powerup and get some kind of reprieve from his harsh path, but she wasn't a character who deserved an ending.

Her ending is actually in HF.

Jacob Hall
Jacob Hall

There is literally nothing to fucking save in the context of what happens in UBW. Her issues aren't a pressing matter. Hell, they could have been addressed in the weeks and months after the war. There was no need for them to deep into a tirade about her relationship with her sister when there's a war going on.

It's different when HF comes along, but that's because Sakura is involved.

Saving for Shirou (and as Archer understands it) isn't just "i'll rescue you from a robber" that has absolutely no weight to the impact he wants to make

No, that's actually a very big part of what Shirou wants. The guy isn't trying to be a psychologist. He wants to help people. Emotionally, sure, if he can, but he also wants to literally save them.

Tyler Nguyen
Tyler Nguyen

So she doesn't matter as character? I agree, in UBW, she's just a cocksleeve for prana, rather than a character with her own deserving ending. Her relationship with Shirou ruins her character and undermines it.

No, that's actually a very big part of what Shirou wants.

You didn't get the point of Archer's lecture about what salvation means. You're really fucking stupid, congratulations.

David Ortiz
David Ortiz

Yeah, you're not going to touch the fact that you don't understand why Shinji was saved.

Shirou, and by extension, Rin, wouldn't just kill Shinji without attempting to save him. He's a scumbag, but they're not outright murderers who'd take the guy's life in cold blood.

That's the entire realization of the ideals presented in the route. Shirou knows he'll likely have to kill at some point, but he's going to do his best to help no matter what.

You know what isn't doing your best? Killing your kohai's brother cause it's easier for your current situation.

Maybe in your headcanon. What matters is what the author shows

You mean like how the last spoken scene before the credits literally has Rin talking about how they have a happily ever after?

You know, something Nasu specifically wrote in?

You just gonna ignore that?

UBW just added an extra bit of symbolism at end to hammer in that Shirou surpasses Archer.

Christian Morris
Christian Morris

Rin needs to save Shinji, for the sake of her sister,

The only real reason is because it's a one sided thing of concern for Sakura, she would blame herself for indulging Shinji's idiocy for participating in the war, and the fact she feels responsible for the chip on his shoulder.

Ultimately, saving him didn't really do anything beneficial for her situation, he never apologizes, and she is the one having to do the actual work of patching their relationship. He rethinks his life and stops abusing her, which is good, and I always appreciate someone finding a path to redemption, but it's somewhat hollow. It's sort of pathetic that the person who requires the most care and therapy is babysitting and counseling her rapist.

Austin Gutierrez
Austin Gutierrez

You mean Luvia

Thomas Cook
Thomas Cook

1.Berseker is cute
2.Berseker is my boyfriend
3.Berseker has 12 lifes
4.Berseker!

Jordan Jenkins
Jordan Jenkins

No, Rin's character does matter, but her character doesn't wholly revolve around her sister, which you seem to think it does. There are other facets of her looked into that I previously just spoke about.

In regards to Archer, you know a good chunk of what he lectures on is bullshit, right? He goes on to agree with Shirou.

Shirou wanting to save people doesn't inherently come down to fixing their social problems.

Chase Martin
Chase Martin

I guess it is my FATE to STAY the NIGHT with her.

William Mitchell
William Mitchell

even better, Im low on Luvias

David Reyes
David Reyes

Ey b0ss fuck you

Jonathan Butler
Jonathan Butler

rapist
Found the secondary.

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

I will be fine with either. Or both. Preferably both

Juan Morales
Juan Morales

It was rape you nerd

Hunter Cook
Hunter Cook

I don't give a fuck why Shinji was saved, I'm saying that Rin was so fucking useless she needed Archer to save her sorry ass in her 'arduous' task to save her little sister's rapist.

You mean like how the last spoken scene before the credits literally has Rin talking about how they have a happily ever after?

It has no weight when the LAST scene is Shirou alone. You still don't get it. Rin is a great hollow waifu who does everything for her man. That scene only cements her role: it's never about her, it's all about Shirou. That's why she's not a real character, she's emptied of her own characterization, ambition, problems, her journey. She exists as a hole for Shirou to stick it in. But the end of his journey, the meat that matters, is displayed on him alone. It's his journey. Not hers. She's irrelevant and exists only for comfort. That's her relationship with Shirou about. It's the opposite of 'mutuality', it's all about Shirou. If you like that, you like that but don't go and pass it around as 'mutual shit' because there's absolutely nothing about what Rin wants to do, she doesn't even feature there reckting ISIS.

The contrast is that Saber had her own ambition, own journey, own ideals, and duty to fulfill. Most idiots were upset 'she left' but that's what makes her a great character even as a love interest, she's not reduced to orbit around Shirou. Shirou, unlike UBW Shirou, actually considers her as important or more important than his ideals. They both complete their missions and reunite. The scene in the end is both of their journeys. It's not just about Shirou, it's about Saber too. The ending is both of them finally together, and it's their embrace the farewell note.

Rin is a great character, but she is a terrible love interest. Being a love interest reduces her from being one of the most interesting characters (in HF) into an empty fuckdoll and hug pillow who moves.

Isaac Diaz
Isaac Diaz

YAES

Jonathan Butler
Jonathan Butler

He never raped her you nigger.

Samuel King
Samuel King

Unfortunately I'm now empty on Luvias. Posted most of them earlier

Henry Walker
Henry Walker

I don't give a fuck why Shinji was saved

Thank you for displaying your ignorance at being able to not understand one of the core messages of the story here. That's real nice.

I also don't see the problem with Archer helping out Rin. It's important as a way of trying to make up for the fact that he'd been a complete asshole to her over the course of a large chunk of the narrative.

Shirou does something, Gil does something, Rin does something, Saber does something, and Archer does something.

The ending to UBW well utilizes its ensemble cast, which I don't see as a problem.

Your harping on about the last scene and ignoring the context of everything before it though just shows your ignorance. I mean especially when you throw in contradictory statements like this.

Most idiots were upset 'she left' but that's what makes her a great character even as a love interest, she's not reduced to orbit around Shirou

Rin says she'll follow Shirou around for a while, but she's not going to tied at the hip. She'll probably go on to be involved with the Clocktower, but she fully supports what Shirou is doing.

So which is it, is orbiting around Shirou needed or not needed?

Regardless, no, UBW is not wholly Rin's story. it focuses more on Shirou, even the romance has her dating him. You can almost kind of see it as an otome in some ways, but none of these are bad things. Developing the core protagonist is good, and it's not like Rin is left out.

Rin, as a whole, is the most prominent character in the VN. You make the story anymore about her, and you need plaster her in front of Saber on the because, because she'd completely overshadow the story.

But Rin does have a story in UBW, as well as in Fate, as well as in HF. She's well rounded through the entire game.

Evan Perry
Evan Perry

For all Rin knew, Sakura was perfectly fine.

Not entirely. She blatantly lied to Shirou about what she knew about the Matous for a reason, in both Fate and UBW.

She knows she gets regularly bullied by Shinji, despite being the supposed blessed scion of their house, and until her wake up call in HF, thought that being the heir to that household was like any other household. From her perspective, Shinji should be almost at her beck and call.

We know from the many scenes in HF that Rin avoids a lot of things concerning Sakura until absolutely forced to, as evidenced for why she stood outside the Matou residence looking up all forlorn in UBW, asking Shirou if someone who was adopted was happy. And what the hell Shirou, you never questioned her why when she was doing something that suspicious?

Owen Martinez
Owen Martinez

I just wanna know of Rin and Shirou's kid would be a weak shit magus like Shirou, or an amazing top tier like Rin

Nathaniel Lee
Nathaniel Lee

Because these are questions, while probably quite important, didn't need to be directly covered at that time, considering there was a grail war going on, and there was no pressing reason to delve deeper into Rin's familial issues.

Again, different in HF, when Sakura is directly involved, but you can put that on the back burner in the other routes.

Julian Perez
Julian Perez

If he inherits Rin's crest, they should be fine. Probably not a huge power boost to the Tohsaka family, but I don't think they'd be any weaker.

Jaxon Adams
Jaxon Adams

Shirou is technically only so terrible as a magus because his magic circuits were never used until he was already 17. They rusted over and decayed because Kerry taught him incorrectly, as a joke. Also because where he would normally have an elemental affinity, he instead has the affinity of Sword, due to his body being altered by Avalon.

Mason Robinson
Mason Robinson

plaster her in front of Saber on the box*

Angel Rivera
Angel Rivera

holy shit, you seem to dont understand what she gains in UBW by staying with Shirou,she fucking finally find a new 'main' objective and this one is being with Shirou AND SAVING people with him.She find a more reasonable way to continu her path in accordance with what she truely desire and that's all because of Shirou.

she actualy evolve at the end of UBW but that doesn't mean she drop out all her dream and what she want at the begining.

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

The problem with that train of thought is that she is keeping vital information from her allied members about a rival family. Lying that there is no person currently among the Matou that practices magic and dodges the issue. She skates by a tad, by saying their bloodline had dried up, which is true, with a caveat to that.

Hell, Nasu even said in the UBW anime interview that had Sakura learned about the Bloodfort, she would make Shinji into "even more of a wakame" and stop it. So that solves one issue. Although that could open up Pandora's Box as well, so there you go.

Chase Cook
Chase Cook

would stay/10

Jaxon Butler
Jaxon Butler

Abandons hot wife and qt daughter
Lets Mud Spill out
Doesn't kill Kotomine which kills best red head
Fucks up Shirou's circuits
Dies
Kerry is a fuck up

Nolan Bennett
Nolan Bennett

Name 1 (one) thing Kerry did right.

Levi Cooper
Levi Cooper

Created Iilya

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

give his seigi no mikata curse to Shirou

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

Well characters not being upfront about everything happens a lot in the story. Saber keeps Shirou in the dark for a long time that Kerry was her master in the 4th War. In UBW, Rin has to learn second-hand from Caster that Shirou was one of the only survivors of the Fuyuki fire.

Ilya has like, a laundry list of secrets she could have explained to people that would have made various situations easier.

A lot of these characters do dumb shit sometimes.

Ethan Brown
Ethan Brown

You forgot that he neglected to tell anyone he set bombs to seal the greater grail under Mount Enzo forever.

And that the grail is tainted and shouldn't be used.

Those two things being mentioned to more noble parties would have fucked over Zouken and Kotomine, but nope, he died with that information and dormant explosives that will go off in fifty years. Too bad for the monks.

Good think Sakura seals the leyline forever and cleans things up post HF. At least his soon to be daughter in law ( and his real daughter ;_;7 ) finished the job.

Brody Bennett
Brody Bennett

This is your Grail tonight.

Kayden Young
Kayden Young

Rin needs to save Shinji, for the sake of her sister, but also to show that she backs Shirou's philosophy now 100%.
That doesn't really invalidate the point that Shinji didn't deserve to live. That just means that Shirou and Rin are making bad decisions.

Carter Kelly
Carter Kelly

Shinji should die in cold blood because he's an asshole?

By all means, judge him afterward, but using Saber to destroy the grail with him in it would just be outright murder, when it could be avoided.

Nathaniel Turner
Nathaniel Turner

Things Shinji did wrong:
rape
more rape
attempted rape
physical assault
attempted murder

He's a terrible person, definitely, but he doesn't deserve to die. Just hand him over to the Mage's Association, explain that he did stuff to expose magic (Rider's bounded field), and the Mage's Association will get their panties in a twist and prosecute him.

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

Shinji was a good friend of Shirou that was just overly arrogant and annoying like Tohsaka. Then he went batshit insane when the HGW happenned.

John Evans
John Evans

He isn't just an "asshole". He put countless uninvolved people in severe risk of their lives and planned to kill the entire school for feeding Rider.
when the HGW happenned
It was pretty obvious that he had it in him, though, with his blatant disrespect for other people and capability to exploit them in any way whatsoever that fit his completely selfish purposes.

Jayden Sanchez
Jayden Sanchez

Shinji was a good friend of Shirou
I never really understood why Shirou is so very forgiving of Shinji. If other people did the stuff he did, Shirou's fist wouldn't be many seconds away, but as soon as it's about Shinji, Shirou goes all "ah, that's just the way he is".

Kevin Morris
Kevin Morris

Yes, Shinji did bad things, but that doesn't mean Shirou and Rin had the right to play judge and jury when he was currently not causing people harm.

Judge him afterward yes, give him off to the association, but killing him would be killing a defenseless person for no reason other than revenge.

Jackson Bell
Jackson Bell

but killing him would be killing a defenseless person for no reason other than revenge
There would be the slight circumstance that he was the core of the holy grail that they had to destroy for quite important reasons. Choosing not to save him (quite an arduous task) is not the same thing as judging him or killing him in cold blood.

Robert Cook
Robert Cook

And you might have a fairly reasonable point, if the story didn't spend 200k words hammering in that Shirou's whole ideology, is about want to save others, even if the circumstances at hand are ridiculous or impossible.

In the end, Gil was stopped, Shinji was saved, the city was saved, and the various concepts presented throughout the story are wrapped up in a bow.

Anthony Wilson
Anthony Wilson

strongest
lolgateofbabylon

Samuel Lee
Samuel Lee

And you might have a fairly reasonable point, if the story didn't spend 200k words hammering in that Shirou's whole ideology, is about want to save others, even if the circumstances at hand are ridiculous or impossible.
Again, though, that just means Shirou is wrong, not that Shinji deserved to be saved.

Chase Parker
Chase Parker

WAH MY VERY OWN TOESAKA?

Carter Gomez
Carter Gomez

Very nice.

Thomas Campbell
Thomas Campbell

Shirou isn't really presented as wrong, though.

And I don't see how he's wrong in this situation either. Would it have been more utilitarian for him and Rin to just destroy the grail? Yeah, but there are a multitude of factors to consider.

1.He's Sakura's sister
2. He's Shirou's former friend
3. Him dying would mean his blood would be on their hands
4. It wasn't exactly impossible to save him

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

Shinji never raped anyone. He only came close to hurting Rin. Rin on the other hand raped Saber in Fate and Shirou raped Rin in HA.

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

Read the VNs.

Isaac Hall
Isaac Hall

Shirou isn't really presented as wrong, though.
Whether the game presents him as right or wrong has no real bearing in whether he actually is right or wrong.

Would it have been more utilitarian for him and Rin to just destroy the grail?
implying utilitarianism is objective morals, but anyway...
Quite arguably, it would be. Saving Shinji was very far from a safe undertaking, and severely risked Rin being killed in the process, which might more than well have prevented the destruction of the grail, which would certainly, under any moral code, have been a greater evil than Scumbag Shinji dying.

Matthew Martin
Matthew Martin

Rin raped Shirou, too.

Justin Wood
Justin Wood

This. Rin doesn't deserve to live.

Bentley Hill
Bentley Hill

Rin made orders for Saber to destroy the grail even if something were to happen to her. To te point of her using her command seals while she was still trapped in there.

There really was no point in not at least trying to save him, barring personal feelings of malice towards him.

Luke Cruz
Luke Cruz

When they started saving Shinji, Saber was still battling Assassin.

Isaiah Fisher
Isaiah Fisher

I never noticed how clean the floor is.

Camden Collins
Camden Collins

Wasn't that an unplanned concern? They didn't think Assassin was still alive.

Even still, that would have resulted in Rin just waiting for Saber to finish up with the fight. That gives even more reason for her to at least try to help the guy.

Easton Miller
Easton Miller

Saber didn't seem to mind Rin using her as her first lesbain experience though.

Mason Perez
Mason Perez

it's okay when Rin does it

Chase Campbell
Chase Campbell

Nevertheless, they couldn't know that Saber would be available to save the day if Rin couldn't successfully save Shinji.

Jason Ramirez
Jason Ramirez

Am I the only girl around here who enjoys the Fate series?

Easton Lee
Easton Lee

Well if Saber was unsuccessful with Assassin, they would be unsuccessful with their plan as a whole.

They needed her to use her noble phantasm to wipe out the grail.

Justin Ortiz
Justin Ortiz

We're all little girls here, user.

Josiah White
Josiah White

If Rin had died saving Shinji, she would be unable to feed Shirou with further mana, which meant he would have lost against Gilgamesh, leaving Saber to deal with both Assassin, Gilgamesh and the grail, all without getting any mana from Rin.

Gavin Torres
Gavin Torres

Well, like she planned (and even did), she'd use her command seals to force Saber to destroy the grail if worse came to worse.

I mean when it came down to it, it would have been her just standing around, waiting so she could kill this guy, rather than even just attempting to help him out.

Alexander Turner
Alexander Turner

TOHSAKAR RIN PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY

Austin Phillips
Austin Phillips

Well, like she planned (and even did), she'd use her command seals to force Saber to destroy the grail if worse came to worse.
And that's another thing she would have been unable to do if she had died before Saber could arrive.

Nathaniel Torres
Nathaniel Torres

"Use your noble phantasm to destroy the grail"

Probably would have teleported her over to where the grail was, and destroy it.

William Roberts
William Roberts

At that point, she wouldn't even know that Saber would survive the battle with Assassin. Sure, it may be somewhat likely, but is it a risk worth taking for Scumbag Shinji?

Christian Russell
Christian Russell

Rin's not a terrible person like you, so yes.

Brody Jenkins
Brody Jenkins

He was her brother's sister, yeah.

There was certainly a little risk involved with saving Shinji, but she's not Kerry. She wanted to not kill the guy.

And that's established with her character. She doesn't like hurting people.

Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson

If there's anyone who is a terribly person, it would be Shinji.

Kevin Walker
Kevin Walker

Why?

Lincoln Gomez
Lincoln Gomez

He was her brother's sister, yeah.

wait

the other way

Jason Adams
Jason Adams

Is there literally any one action that Shinji performs which is not terrible?

Justin Watson
Justin Watson

wow what a fag

Jaxon Reyes
Jaxon Reyes

He makes me laugh

Alexander Miller
Alexander Miller

He gives Sakura his semen so she's not forced to get fucked by old, faceless magi.

Gavin Adams
Gavin Adams

implying that wouldn't be preferable

Jeremiah Taylor
Jeremiah Taylor

Nice shitpost. Why do you have Shinji so much?

Landon Roberts
Landon Roberts

Because he's a horrible person. He's literally the kind of guy who'd rape or torture someone just to prove he's superior, even if it's not by his own power.

Carter Hill
Carter Hill

But he never did any of that.

Cooper Rogers
Cooper Rogers

Does Rin like giving buttjobs?

John Thomas
John Thomas

He chased Shirou out of the archery club and bullied the newcomers just so he could be the only one to hit on the girls there.
He went immediately to rape Rin when she was tied up by Archer just so that he could "own" her.
He doesn't waste one opportunity to talk down Shirou just because he knows Shirou is better than himself.
He probably hits Sakura, just for the same reason.
He doesn't realize what cheap a person he is and instead begrudges Rin for not unconditionally wanting him.
Need I even go on?

Nolan King
Nolan King

He chased Shirou out of the archery club and bullied the newcomers just so he could be the only one to hit on the girls there.
We don't know what happened between him and Shirou, it could just as much have been Shirou's fault as it was Shinji's. And weeding out the unmotivated from a group of new comers isn't anything bad and quite normal.
He went immediately to rape Rin when she was tied up by Archer just so that he could "own" her.
No, he teased her and then tried to kill her.
He doesn't waste one opportunity to talk down Shirou just because he knows Shirou is better than himself.
Read HA. He abuses Shirou because he wants Shirou to snap and say "no", as in to stop being a pushover.
He probably hits Sakura, just for the same reason.
There is nothing wrong with disciplining someone who you are responsible for when they deserve it.
He doesn't realize what cheap a person he is and instead begrudges Rin for not unconditionally wanting him.
Rin is incredibly rude to him and is canon bitch confirmed by Nasu in Extra.
Need I even go on?
Please do.

Owen Butler
Owen Butler

He forced Rider to sleep with him, while also forever denying me that right. That is crime enough.

Evan Miller
Evan Miller

He raped Sakura. Like, a lot. See the "THIS BODY IS SENPAIS NOW" scene from HF

Colton Howard
Colton Howard

He raped Sakura. Like, a lot. See the "THIS BODY IS SENPAIS NOW" scene from HF
It was always consensual. Only that last time was an attempted rape because Sakura was being a bitch letting her brother's best friend NTR her away from him.

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

Shinji didn't deserve to live
Attempted rape is not punishable by death, faggot. Shinji deserves more to live than his serial killer sister.

Nicholas Williams
Nicholas Williams

I love your pic.

Isaac Clark
Isaac Clark

Newfag.

Sebastian Butler
Sebastian Butler

Shinji, you can stop posting at any time. Don't you have some underclassmen to try sleep with using what little prestige your family has because of its wealth. Honetly bro, just go to a red light distract or a soapland or something.

Samuel Ramirez
Samuel Ramirez

There is nothing wrong with hitting someone who you are responsible for when they deserve it.
Rin is incredibly rude to him and is canon bitch confirmed by Nasu in Extra.
Not the guy you're arguing with, but did you really need so many walls of text to hide this shit-tier bait?
What a fucking loser.

Daniel Adams
Daniel Adams

There is nothing wrong with hitting someone who you are responsible for when they deserve it.
Why do you think this is bait? Are you an American? Also, read Extra.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart

Is this the part where you don't have any point to make so you spam bait images?

Brandon Mitchell
Brandon Mitchell

Did I mention how he is completely incompetent to do anything on his own? Yet, as soon as he has some borrowed power (Gilgamesh, Rin being tied up by someone else) the first thing he does is to use it to whatever selfish ends he currently has in mind.

He may very well be the one single worst character in all of animedom. Even most of the child molesters at least take what they want by their own power.

Landon Rodriguez
Landon Rodriguez

He's a shit character for not being powerful? Do you even read what you type?

John Bell
John Bell

I want Rin to put her jewels on my face as I revel in her feminine musk

Liam Price
Liam Price

Yes, I'm merely using you as an excuse to dump my bait folder.
Doing that guy a favor and cutting your reply chain is just a bonus.

David Collins
David Collins

There is such a thing as proportionality.

John Reyes
John Reyes

Extra Rin is a different person from SN Rin, in fact, she's SN Rin's niece. That's what you get from reading Extra's summary on the wiki instead of playing the game.
You don't even need a PSP to play it, you can emulate it, so what's your excuse?

Jason Gonzalez
Jason Gonzalez

He's a bad person for using powers that are not his to do things he could never bring about in a thousand years on his own. Doubly so when the things he does are completely and utterly selfish. Incompetent people should at least realize their lot in life.

John Jones
John Jones

He's a bad person for using powers that are not his to do things he could never bring about in a thousand years on his own.
And? Shirou never won a fight without help either. And how is he anymore shelfish than the others who willingly entered the war? Hell, Shirou's selfishness caused thousands on innocents to die in HF.

Dominic Adams
Dominic Adams

They are the same personality wise.

Nolan Taylor
Nolan Taylor

Literally perfection would jackhammer her hard.

Robert Fisher
Robert Fisher

But that's forbidden love

Caleb Jenkins
Caleb Jenkins

They are not, you would know that if you read Extra.

Adam Bailey
Adam Bailey

They are.

Michael Wilson
Michael Wilson

Shirou's selfishness did not cause thousands to die
This is you right now.

Isaac Torres
Isaac Torres

Go read Extra, I'm not spoonfeeding you anymore, secondaryfag.

Nathaniel Nguyen
Nathaniel Nguyen

Shirou's selfishness caused thousands on innocents to die in HF
That's Wormslut.

Josiah Sanders
Josiah Sanders

I'll re-read it once you read it just once.

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

Yeah, Sakura did the killing and Shirou didn't stop her because he wanted to dick her.

Levi Gray
Levi Gray

I'm re reading it for the third time right at this very moment, so get to it.
You didn't even know Extra Rin was a different person, so it's painfully obvious you won't be doing a re-read but a first time read.

Nicholas Collins
Nicholas Collins

Rin's totally into girl-on-girl though.

Andrew Lewis
Andrew Lewis

Old Men
Warning, warning!

Henry Campbell
Henry Campbell

Those 4 still applied when Shirou tried to kill Shinji in the bloodfort in Fate

Brody Perez
Brody Perez

Different version of Shirou who was going through a different development at the time.

Landon Ward
Landon Ward

poor mans akiha and responsible for over half of the worst and most boring scenes in fate (the rest being endless cooking scenes)

Isaac Sullivan
Isaac Sullivan

She's Akiha 2.0
Now with 100% less yandere, a convex chest, and several fetish options.

Dylan Morgan
Dylan Morgan

Saber with a competent master using Excalibur
Rider from fate zeros reality marble. Maybe?
Fully charged EA
Ars Almadel salomonis
Papiyas (nobunagas true no). Again idk maybe?

Chase Lee
Chase Lee

He raped samurai in HD and that not only once.
Just because she's a slut who enjoyed it because she needed it doesn't mean he wasn't raping her

Zachary Hughes
Zachary Hughes

He's only as bad as Shirou or Rin.

Nathan Smith
Nathan Smith

She and Akiha are almost twins, or at least sisters.

Justin Myers
Justin Myers

You wake up and realize that you are in complete control of Rin's body, effectively replacing her mind.
...FOR 1 DAY!

What would you do?

Mason Perez
Mason Perez

Find a mirror

Jonathan Davis
Jonathan Davis

Fuck Luvia.

I couldn't begin to imagine Rin's reaction to waking up, naked, in bed with Luvia.

Thomas Reyes
Thomas Reyes

Transfer her assets and property. Depends on what has happened to my body too. I'd quite like to fuck myself. Probably finish up by putting myself in a situation of inescapable death, which should occur just after I lose control of her body.

Dylan Parker
Dylan Parker

That is if you can manage to woo Luvia in one day well enough to get in the bed with her.
That's pretty modest, not even doing anything with the mirror, just finding one.

Carter Reed
Carter Reed

That is if you can manage to woo Luvia in one day well enough to get in the bed with her.

That would be pretty easy. Exploit Luvia's own crush on Rin. Just walk right up and start kissing her, and then take charge. Luvia wouldn't even want Rin to stop.

Wyatt Morales
Wyatt Morales

That's pretty cruel. Rin would break up with her tomorrow and heartbroken Luvia would off herself.

Nathan Gomez
Nathan Gomez

...just as planned

Liam Rodriguez
Liam Rodriguez

Saber with a competent master using Excalibur
Doesn't Kerry and Shriou actually give her Amazing NP power, just shit everything else?

Alexander Bennett
Alexander Bennett

Ride Rider. Have Fuyuki City's wildest sapphic symposium.

Isaiah Johnson
Isaiah Johnson

Offer my services to a voluptuous Finnish heiress.

Aiden Hernandez
Aiden Hernandez

Kerry
Just shit luck, Kiritsugu is not a bad magus, he is unconventional.
Shriou
He shits on mostly everything but luck.

Parker White
Parker White

Why is Luvia lacking in highlights?

Isaac Russell
Isaac Russell

Shirou totally got to bang them both.

Aaron Robinson
Aaron Robinson

Sakura did the killing

Parker Jones
Parker Jones

This isn't true. He abuses her for his own self-satisfaction and malice. Nothing he does actually helps her, since he doesn't have the magical energy. Her capacity as a magus is as high as Rin, did you forget? If she needed random people to give her energy, let alone someone with as little power as Shinji, she'd be dead. Did you also forget that she can get regain energy over time? Shinji trying to give her energy would be like trying to fuel a Hummer with an eyedropper of gas. Not needed, and certainly doesn't help.

And in the all ages version, he abuses her because of much the same reason, to feel he has power over the actual heir because he is petty, and covers it up with his coping mechanism of "if I don't discipline her, she'll drag down the prestigious Matou househould", which is bordering on lunacy. It's all in the material books, Shinji is delusional to a hilarious extent.

Ryder Flores
Ryder Flores

Rin is a rapist.

Nathan Nguyen
Nathan Nguyen

Shirou raped Rin in HA
Are you sure you read the same HA as me?

Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

Rider seems like a great ride until you get into the blood fetish. Did you read the Eclipse scene in Hollow where she makes the dream Sakura? The sheer amount of blood fetish stuff there is like something out of a vampire harlequin novel.

I mean, if that is your kink, it's fine, but you should know Rider is hardcore both ways. M and S.

David Flores
David Flores

suddenly dies after all property is transferred to unrelated third party
Gee, the police will never figure this out.

Jace Harris
Jace Harris

I like how Rin and Luvia would go crazy without each other.

The Association is too full of stuffy political backstabbing and ass kissing for people as wild as them. Even Zelretch agreed in HF True, when he told Rin to get her materials and get out.

Noah Edwards
Noah Edwards

Police in anime and video games are retarded.

Leo Nelson
Leo Nelson

I want to fuck Tohsaka Rin

Jaxon Watson
Jaxon Watson

Socks in the bath
What a retard.

Brandon Mitchell
Brandon Mitchell

Yeah, but having sex while wearing thigh-highs is even more pointless.

Blake Flores
Blake Flores

Is Luvia an old man?

Levi Gutierrez
Levi Gutierrez

The Shadow acted based on Sakura's subconsciousness

"Senpai's gonna get killed if he continues the war, but.... he can't fight without a Servant, can he?"
The Shadow takes Saber

"Senpai is gonna get killed at this rate, but... if he's too injured, he can't continue the war, can he?
The Shadow takes one of Shirou's arms

also, Sakura herself said that she has dreams about herself killing people, and part of her found those dreams "pleasant"

Parker Perry
Parker Perry

Fuck off Sakura dindu nuthing.

Anthony Adams
Anthony Adams

1. S
2. H
3. I
4. K
5. I

Bentley Garcia
Bentley Garcia

This, they'll probably blame it on a gas leak

Wyatt Ortiz
Wyatt Ortiz

/r/ that webm of Rin and Luvia fighting

Oliver Robinson
Oliver Robinson

Berserker got rkt so bad there it's not even funny.

Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

Which one? There are plenty.

Justin Sanchez
Justin Sanchez

that doujin was the Ultimate Shiki Wankfest™

Hunter Mitchell
Hunter Mitchell

I think you might be a faggot.

Xavier Taylor
Xavier Taylor

Shiki killing Berserker while Berserker has his hands full with ARC is totally plausible and you know it.

Angel Miller
Angel Miller

1. Ark
2. Ark
3. Ark
4. Ark
5. Ark

Nolan Rogers
Nolan Rogers

if shirou and rin can fight servants without getting instantly destroyed, and tsukihimes and stronger than fates then it it's a fair enough leap in logic to assume tsukihimes can beat up servants

especially since underdogs always win in type moon

Ryan Morales
Ryan Morales

Specially when you consider Shiki can beat Shirou as per WoG.

Henry Hall
Henry Hall

Not really impressive, Shirou is weak as fuck. Literally every servant other than Gil would canonically wreck his ass.

Jace Anderson
Jace Anderson

nice

Connor Wright
Connor Wright

not sure if bait, buuut...

Tohno "I almost fried my brain just by killing poison inside a person's body" Shiki killing a Servant

yeah, sure....

Christopher Green
Christopher Green

Doesn't kill Kotomine which kills best red head
He actually killed Kirei by shooting him in the heart. The Grail revived him after Kerry rejected it.

Jayden Roberts
Jayden Roberts

The level of brain-frying is based on how difficult it is to comprehend what you're killing. Killing poison, something that doesn't have a concept of death from the perspective of humans, should be harder than killing a spirit.

Not saying it wouldn't be difficult for Shiki to kill a servant, but if he can kill an immortal apostle with 666 different lives in it with a single blow, he can probably kill the 12 lives of a powerful familiar.

Luis Flores
Luis Flores

"You forgot that he neglected to tell anyone he set bombs to seal the greater grail under Mount Enzo forever."

and which Magi would've blown up the Grail, if he/she had known that it can open a path to the Root?

If anything it would've made everything worse.

Noah Collins
Noah Collins

He killed Arc who is a superior spiritual entity than a Servant. The whole relevant issue Nasu addressed with whether the MEoDP works on Servants or not is the fact they are spiritual entities and Tohno is proven to be able to kill those with zero issues.

Jordan Kelly
Jordan Kelly

shiki didn't fry his brain with the poison, he killed the concept of being poisoned and only went temporarily blind. and that was his first major use of his eyes in that route besides stabbing an already mostly dead SHIKI and cutting open doors

in near side shiki's two first big uses for his eyes are to kill arcueid (on the level of high tier servants at least) and nero (basically a walking reality marble). in ciel route he also manages to cut the link between the earth and arcueid (abit only for a while, because like arcueid herself that's something that doesn't die even when killed)

he does all of these without any real damage to his brain at all. the only time in tsukihime he has any drawbacks from his eyes is when he uses it on himself in ciel route and the posion on kohaku

all shiki needs to do to kill a servant is get one or all of his many girlfriends that could keep them at bay and go in for the sneak attack with his anime ninja speed, especially because he gets the Underdog bonus that doubles all stats in type moon fights

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

In Hisui route he almost didn't use his eyes up to this moment and didn't get info on what his power actually is. That aside what he did was actually extremely difficult. He killed poison flowing through Kohaku blood circulation system, he didn't see his target instead he made whole "visualisation" with his brain alone.

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones


in near side shiki's two first big uses for his eyes are to kill arcueid (on the level of high tier servants at least)

by powerlevels? sure. anything else? not so much. conceptualizing Arc's death, who's vulnerable during day is not as difficult as conceptualizing the death of a Servant.

in ciel route he also manages to cut the link between the earth and arcueid (abit only for a while, because like arcueid herself that's something that doesn't die even when killed)

that's vampirified Shiki, with Roa taking over his body. regular Shiki couldn't have pulled off something ridiculous like that.

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

all shiki needs to do to kill a servant is get one or all of his many girlfriends that could keep them at bay and go in for the sneak attack with his anime ninja speed

Actually, this is a fair point.

arcueid is arcueid

ciel is an amazing magus, a really strong melee fighter that can keep up to some degree with arcueid and she doesn't die even when killed

akiha has speed of sight life/power/concept drain (boosted by roa if you're basing this off kohaku ending, the only route that really works for a spinoff)

len ... does something, I'm sure.

and lastly satsuki has gag/underdog character hacks which means she has amazing potential to be a hella strong dead apostle and has a reality marble that sucks the mana out the nearby area, which is an amazing anti servant ability and does fuck all to most or all of the tsukihimes

arcueid is """""vulnerable"""""" during the day the same way servants are """"vulnerable""" all the time. You don't see archer or gilgamesh rebuilding their bodies after dying

her lines are very few and shiki only hit them because he hacked her into kibbles and bits. it's just that while there's a small potential of her dying during the day it's literally impossible for her to die during the night unless she's been seriously weakened already because the night powers her up

Mason Ortiz
Mason Ortiz

See Arc is confirmed by Nasu to have an spiritual rank on a transcendent level and being an spiritual entity on the level of a God.

Servants are shit compared to her in literally everything.

Jordan Gray
Jordan Gray

The shadow goes after servants on its own with the guidance of Zouken, as shown in several other cases, and the arm was literally a coincidence, since there's a bad end there if you move another way to dodge the shadow's explosion.

Also, Sakura was unable to control what the shadow did in her dreams, and was horrified by them at first until she got used to seeing them. The shadow used her as fuel for its MO, but she herself had absolutely zero responsibility for its actions, since she didn't even know her dreams were real until Gilgamesh attacked her.

Joseph Campbell
Joseph Campbell

that really depends on the circumstances.

whether they have knowledge about each other's abilites
how far is the distance between the two
which version of Shirou it is
does Shirou have an active link with Saber

John Scott
John Scott

Sakura couldn't help it and she's a victim, that's true.
but the Shadow was acting based on her subconsciousness.

AM doesn't have a self of its own (stated by HA), it needs a host to function, and using Sakura's repressed rage was a perfect opportunity for "it" to munch on people.

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

Nasu answer was about pure powerlevels. Circumstances can change outcome of the battle but overall Shiki is stronger.

Thomas Clark
Thomas Clark

Everyone is a little girl, no exceptions.

And, if, by 'around here', you mean 'on his Earth', then definitely not. I met a girl in college dedicated enough to watch Prisma Illya multiple times despite a disinterest in yuri just in case it would provide some further information on the Nasuverse, which she had 100%ed every game, manga, book, and anime of.

More dedication than I, at least

James Parker
James Parker

So apparently the first 3 episodes of Deen HD should have aired a couple of hours ago.

Jaxon Collins
Jaxon Collins

Wait, what?

They made an HD version of the DEEN series?

Jeremiah Wright
Jeremiah Wright

http://www.tbs.co.jp/tbs-ch/item/a0169/

Brody Hill
Brody Hill

Is it mandatory in Japan to have a Fate show on television year round?

Either way I'm not disinterested. If these get uploaded, heck I'll probably download them. I don't actively hate the DEEN series, and watching it weekly could be good fun.

Jose Gonzalez
Jose Gonzalez

Kaleid Liner was is damn pro-Luvia biased.

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

subarashi~

Aaron Russell
Aaron Russell

liking Shinji

Nigga what?

Bentley Brown
Bentley Brown

Not liking someone means they should die

Aaron Reed
Aaron Reed

Shinji reminds me of my best friend

David Cooper
David Cooper

Does he have a sister?

Josiah Wood
Josiah Wood

But that was consensual.

Sebastian Hill
Sebastian Hill

you should know Rider is hardcore both ways. M and S.
That's more than enough to make for her schlicking with blood

Austin Walker
Austin Walker

I want to straighten her hair.

Ian Brooks
Ian Brooks

Cruel. Are you sure that's better than drilling her hair?

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

I want to see her deviant (straight) persona.

Nolan Edwards
Nolan Edwards

Luvia is rude.

She needs to be set straight.

Grayson Lopez
Grayson Lopez

It won't be easy straightening out this one.

Tyler Ward
Tyler Ward

I rather have the superior sister

Kevin Anderson
Kevin Anderson

Okay.

Luis Kelly
Luis Kelly

Not sure if superior sister but yes superior couple.

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

superior couple

The problems with Shirou and Sakura's relationship is one of the main reasons why HF is so divisive.

Adrian Foster
Adrian Foster

Hey, a fate thread. I got a question.

So part of what makes tracing so awesome is that it copies most of the abilities of the weapon and the skill of the user

Can shirou/emiya give traced weapons to other people and have the same benefits? If so whats stopping emiya from tracing rho aias or avalon or something and passing them around?

Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson

Nah, it's distinctly Shirou's power. Projection to most other people is pretty useless.

Elijah Lee
Elijah Lee

I get that shirous version of projection is way awesome because he's the bone of his sword or whatever

I'm saying what's stopping shirou from giving his projections to other people. Do they just not work without UBW? I thought that just let him make them in the first place.

Kevin Hall
Kevin Hall

He can directly hand them to people, but I believe it's distinctly Shirou who gets the skill benefits of them. They'd just be swords to anybody else.

Jack Flores
Jack Flores

PLEASES

ALAYA

FOR

GEMS

Josiah Wright
Josiah Wright

The closest example of this would be the Jewel sword in HF but that's probably because it's a magic sword that Rin already knew how to use.

Brandon Phillips
Brandon Phillips

T O H S A K A
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S
A
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A

a best

Carter Lopez
Carter Lopez

This doesn't exist.
Stop showing me these lies and nothings.

Xavier Butler
Xavier Butler

would

very hard

Charles Robinson
Charles Robinson

It serves the same purpose as a crotch rope

Jeremiah White
Jeremiah White

Liking this literal abortion of a design.
Even if you hate Rin, how can you like this over designed mess?

Jordan Cox
Jordan Cox

I love Rin.

I love Bayo-Rin.

It's perfect poetry from Dante-Archer.

Jacob Miller
Jacob Miller

I was gonna answer you but beat me to it

emiya has a fucking stupid outfit too, the glasses look does it for me

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

Bayo is a god damn STEPFORD WIFE compared to this.
Why does Rin have Horns?
Why is she wearing Slut Heels that do nothing?
Why does she have fish lips
What is all that shit behind her and what purpose doe they serve?
What is that red shit around her neck? Is it a choker a marking?
This is nothing like Bayo. It's Bayo's Period blood spilled onto the ground

Henry Thomas
Henry Thomas

Trips>Dubs

Nathaniel Cruz
Nathaniel Cruz

Cute!

Robert Taylor
Robert Taylor

I know this is a late question, but did UBW turn out the way you all hoped it would?

David Davis
David Davis

not using the Realta Nua sex scenes patch

Zachary Ward
Zachary Ward

Search for old men to please in exchange for money

Gabriel Morgan
Gabriel Morgan

Partly what said, and partly because they would eventually fade away after a while. He could loan swords out at best.

Asher Price
Asher Price

Doesn't he have a projected pot in his shed that's been there for 5 years? I thought the whole point was that his projections could last more or less indefinitely which is why Rin kept describing it as crazy because usually they only last for a few hours.

Dylan Taylor
Dylan Taylor

The normal shit can last that long, yeah, but Noble Phantasms are a different story.

Jacob Murphy
Jacob Murphy

Its debatable. Sakura tends to get too much of a hard time considering the circumstances, and people tend to foolishly believe Shirou doesn't care about what happened in the town, thay he was somehow not Shirou anymore, or that his personality changed, when that is preposterous.

Even further, I'd be bold enough to say that Sakura helped out in various ways, despite the monumental handicaps and BS that was slapped into her face in HF. It's a plot point that Zouken had to throw the entire stock of kitchen sinks at Home Depot to make her buckle.

Carter Lee
Carter Lee

My biggest issue with their relationship is that a lot of it is established off screen.

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

Its is linked to her, so its more like resonance than acting on her subconsciouness, since its altogether a seperate being that is trying to use her spirit to be born, that is what its purpose is.

Also people get it wrong that she was the one that specifically goes after Shirou and took his arm. The reason he lost his arm was because he didn't put it down in time when he took cover from the explosion in a ditch with Ilya, he would have been vaporized otherwise, because merely being brushed by the explosion melted her arm completely. I doubt Sakura wants to vaporize Shirou.

Brayden Walker
Brayden Walker

How so? The game itself starts with how she, Taiga, and Shirou share the house effectively, and there are multiple parts that show that she is thought of as a family member to Shirou and Taiga even in Fate and UBW.

What exactly did you want to know that you weren't outright shown or told?

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

Tsundereshit shit. Give me a Sakura.

Andrew Edwards
Andrew Edwards

Well there's that entire year and a half where their whole relationship was established.

Just being told that isn't particularly compelling, I kind of would have preferred to see how they get there. You get that courtesy with the other heroines.

With Sakura, we're told she's like family to Shirou, but there's no real investment to be had in that.

Caleb Mitchell
Caleb Mitchell

Reminder that Prisma will soon deliver perfect being in form of SABER INSTALL RIN.

Gavin Ward
Gavin Ward

How is that the perfect being?

Owen Kelly
Owen Kelly

You think Shinji broke Rider with his huge dick and made her beg for nakadashi ??

Dylan Roberts
Dylan Roberts

SABER INSTALL RIN

Is this the new "Shirou is so BADASS. Look at how BADASS he is"?

Asher Gonzalez
Asher Gonzalez

We love Sakura

Ian Wilson
Ian Wilson

i want illya

Nathaniel Carter
Nathaniel Carter

Read HA you fucking nerd.

David Roberts
David Roberts

/HA

Oliver Jackson
Oliver Jackson

Here you go, one top quality Ilya.

Hudson Howard
Hudson Howard

Is Lancer a bully?

Anthony Anderson
Anthony Anderson

That sounds lewd.

Angel Adams
Angel Adams

Is Rin's hair brown or black?

Easton Ward
Easton Ward

Yes.

Jason Nguyen
Jason Nguyen

Is there anything Rin can't do?

Hudson Ramirez
Hudson Ramirez

Use a bluray player.

Xavier Wood
Xavier Wood

Defend her anus.

Adam Powell
Adam Powell

IS

THERE

ANYTHING

RIN

CAN'T

DO?

Luke Flores
Luke Flores

Gain money without resorting to pleasing those with more monetary funds than her, both older gentlemen and younger, bustier women.

Jackson Price
Jackson Price

original screencap pls

Brody Jones
Brody Jones

1. Shiki
2. SHIKI
3. 「 」
4. Shiki
5. Shiki

Landon Hill
Landon Hill

I am so glad Rin comes packaged with her.

Zachary Collins
Zachary Collins

Rin comes packaged with Saber user. Rin's actually slept with Saber. She's never even come close with Luvia.

Aaron Morgan
Aaron Morgan

Rin helps getting into the Luvia route.

Zachary Sanders
Zachary Sanders

How much does Rin charge for sex? I'm guessing it would be:

$500 blowjob
$1,000 sex
$1,000 anal
$2,000 threesome with Saber
+$100 no condom
+$10,000 any of the above while in Kaleido Ruby form

Bentley Young
Bentley Young

Anal is too cheap, 1500 at least.

Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

Did we ever find out who it was who threatened Shinji and killed Rider in episode 8 of UBW?

It couldn't have been Berserker, he would have left a far bigger mess.
It's obviously not Saber.

Caster was at the scene, but is she really capable of overpowering Rider like that?

Xavier Mitchell
Xavier Mitchell

Muh dik

Jacob Morris
Jacob Morris

You're better than this, user.

Aiden Brooks
Aiden Brooks

Are you serious mate?

Grayson Wilson
Grayson Wilson

prices only affordable for old businessmen.

Makes sense

Gabriel Gutierrez
Gabriel Gutierrez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekP5QVcBmX0&feature=youtu.be

Joseph Morgan
Joseph Morgan

blowjobs are almost always cheaper than sex, often times as low as 20% cheaper. Depends on the girl though.

Anal is usually more expensive than vaginal sex though like anything else it can depend.

I haven't met anyone who accepts no condom, much less at a price that low. But maybe japanese whores operate on another level entirely.

William Smith
William Smith

That isn't Nero. Do we get Arturia in Extella?

Aiden Allen
Aiden Allen

What is Rin doing?

John Roberts
John Roberts

Warming her up, and getting a lot of pleasure out of it.

Jace Flores
Jace Flores

Didn't he trace that zelretch dagger in HF and gave it to rin?

Blake Thompson
Blake Thompson

She probably knew how to use it already. Like when Saber used Shirou's projected Caliburn.

Kevin Kelly
Kevin Kelly

I'm happy to see this. Until now I actually thought they'd release the game with only three servants and let the franchise's name sell it for them.

Elijah Evans
Elijah Evans

Rin is a bitch

Sebastian Russell
Sebastian Russell

All the World's Evil
All Evil of the World

Which one is correct ?

Brandon James
Brandon James

The cat's toy.
The toy of the cat.

Which one is correct?

Owen Wright
Owen Wright

Rin is my bitch

Jaxson Wood
Jaxson Wood

The World is inanimate object, not living thing.

Xavier Allen
Xavier Allen

We are the World.

Matthew Bennett
Matthew Bennett

Which version?

Camden Peterson
Camden Peterson

We are the Children

Jaxson Walker
Jaxson Walker

We aren't just told that though. They go to the trouble of showing us that meeting where Shirou gives Sakura the key to Shirou's house from Shirou's perspective and Sakura's perspective. About the only real way I can criticize it is that the one from Sakura's perspective was in HF Normal only, for added punch. Hopefully the movie and manga shows those two scenes more closer together.

As for the other ones, we have the Fate route, where if you go to apologize and talk to Sakura after she and Rin have that confrontation, Shirou goes on to talk about how his house belongs to her too, and he really should get her permission adding another member. Then you have the multiple stories that happen throughout the routes that talk about how Shirou feels he owes Sakura for making his house feel warm since Kerry died. Something they continued in Hollow with one scene talking about how the house had changed since then.

And then you get the high jump conversation in HF among many other talks the two have about their past together. The problem is that Sakura and Shirou have too much history to try to fit that and the plot. With Rin and Saber, it fit because it was just them falling for him in those two weeks. Rin's crush resurrected even though she never talked with him at all after the high jump three years ago except for passing each other in the hallway, but we accept they fell for each other, just like Saber drops out of the sky one day. Sakura on the other hand, we have context that after the high jump she pursued being his friend and then honestly fell for him afterward. She didn't fall for him until she spent time with him. That is why it works imo.

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

Honestly, I wonder how Kuzuki flat out killed her like that. She isn't like Saber, she doesn't have mercy in fights and is pointedly said to be a dirty fighter like Archer. I know Shinji powers her down heavily, but even still, it made that seem like Kuzuki made it no contest. You'd think the guy would have gotten some scratches at least.

But I guess since Rin didn't even feel the Bloodfort drain until it was under Sakura, maybe it is that much of a difference.

Jordan Miller
Jordan Miller

I like your post. It makes Shirou killing Saber in HF that much more powerful

Isaac Stewart
Isaac Stewart

Didn't Shirou actually fight her pretty well up to a point where she has to get he NP out? The Shinji disability seems to be a big one. He doesn't even have any mana, he's worst than Shirou.

Jaxson Young
Jaxson Young

The show? Not really.

Jayden Butler
Jayden Butler

Have you seen Formalcraft in GO? Proves Rin has interesting tastes in her adult life.

Just be glad the Tohsaka sisters are gonna be both full figured onee-sans. We all win that way.

Sebastian Rivera
Sebastian Rivera

Shinji's Rider is so weak that even True Assassin could've beaten her.

Christian Brown
Christian Brown

Have you seen Formalcraft in GO? Proves Rin has interesting tastes in her adult life.

What do you mean?

Angel Harris
Angel Harris

It means Rin is goofy about being feminine. See the materials, Nasu says she wore miniskirts because she is over compensating on not feeling feminine enough.

With how goofy Rin is sometimes, TOHSAKA's outfit isn't even that outlandish. It was exaggerated sure, but

Like the horns? A joke about her being the Red Devil. And the "sexy" persona is again pointing at how Rin over compensates on what she feels being "feminine" is. You even see it in Super Dere Rin in Hollow.

I always wondered how Sakura would reach to Super Dere Rin or TOHSAKA. Would she be embarrassed, find it funny, or think "yeah, I could see Nee-san turning into that".

Jack Young
Jack Young

Which is better, Hisui&Kohaku route or Heaven's Feel?

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

Hisui's normal end was the saddest end I've ever had in any Type-Moon VN. Even more so than the sad HF end.

Levi Peterson
Levi Peterson

I wonder how feminine Tohsaka feels when she's fucking another girl?

Daniel Mitchell
Daniel Mitchell

Depends if she's top or bottom.

Nathaniel Myers
Nathaniel Myers

With Saber she'd be top. With Rider she'd be bottom. Can't say where she'd be with Luvia.

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

Fate is very popular with women

Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

I miss seeing QUALITY Rin every week.

Lucas Butler
Lucas Butler

cowtits
we all win
This guy.

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

Can't say where she'd be with Luvia
Top, bottom, top, bottom... and so forth. Accompanied by scratching and biting.

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