Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1552

Zachary Walker
Zachary Walker

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true

Previous Thread:
/a/thread/141958820#p141958820

All urls found in this thread:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true
http://realkana.com
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1463850584361.webm
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/advanced
http://ameblo.jp/aiaia18/entry-10297510792.html
https://a.pomf.cat/zgvtev.png
https://a.pomf.cat/prpvqi.png
https://a.pomf.cat/gqoida.png
https://a.pomf.cat/ngisst.png
https://a.pomf.cat/hoprfk.png
https://a.pomf.cat/vthtqf.png
https://a.pomf.cat/dbrmpv.png
https://a.pomf.cat/uavwgh.png
http://japaneselevelup.com/japanese-level-up-rtk-mod-anki-deck/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UUTgWhQZJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgLQwE62_Q4
http://pastebin.com/raw/yhDP2CwF
http://maggiesensei.com/2010/09/14/request-lesson-%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%81%86%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9Fchau-chatta/
https://vndb.org/v415
http://bokete.jp/
http://www.strawpoll.me/10316066
http://okwave.jp/qa/q6175270.html
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/6175270.html
https://vndb.org/v9338
https://youtu.be/xpdVt35EEwg?list=PLQgFnRL210iD6jc4OD3VnJV8AYb6Fu5JJ&t=464
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/それは置いといて
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479465
Levi Garcia
Levi Garcia

Wow, listening to namasensei's lessons really gets me in the mood to do my daily work, I'm so glad his videos are back.

You bitch.

Justin Turner
Justin Turner

なぜば大抵なんとかなる!

Parker Watson
Parker Watson

はやっ

Juan Young
Juan Young

/a/thread/141958820#p141993101
Huh, that's good to know., I was actually debating whether to use 無 or not. only started learning a couple months ago so I'm still a dekinai.

Jeremiah Fisher
Jeremiah Fisher

If only he had thousands of videos covering material from all levels of the JLPT

Parker Bell
Parker Bell

It really is a shame that he stopped making Japanese lessons, they always made sense for some reason. He actually managed to make Japanese simple.

Why did he quit making videos?

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

I know that he got fired from his teaching job in Japan, not sure what happened after that though, seems like he's been through a lot of shit

Luke Rivera
Luke Rivera

tfw realizing the japanese word for firework literally translates to flower fire

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

could you be any more reddit

Angel Gomez
Angel Gomez

What was reddit about that?

Oliver Harris
Oliver Harris

Using JLPT levels to guide your learning
Sorting material by JLPT level

Ayden Roberts
Ayden Roberts

Just wait till you see 火花

Jacob Gray
Jacob Gray

Well it's just convenient isn't it, I just used that to express that I wish he had videos that covered a wide range of shit about Japanese

Alexander Hall
Alexander Hall

If えい is supposed to be pronounced as a prolonged え why is the i audible sometimes, like in the word セイフク? Is it because it's written in katakana and was originally a foreign word? I'm pretty sure that I've heard the same from words that are written in hiragana or kanji and aren't foreign too.

John Bell
John Bell

Sorry I missed one

Trying to learn from videos that aren't native material

Gabriel Lewis
Gabriel Lewis

Related question. Are there any two-kanji words that have the same meaning when you switch the order of the kanji? Or are used interchangeably, at least. I vaguely recall encountering one once early on in my studies, but it seems somewhat impossible in retrospect.

Jacob Cook
Jacob Cook

制服 is not foreign wtf

it's pretty much a gamble whether or not the い is distinct after an -e mora though, just listen to the word being spoken

Jose Brooks
Jose Brooks

I can think of plenty of trivial examples

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

えい is supposed to be pronounced as a prolonged え
What?

Nathaniel Perez
Nathaniel Perez

誕生 and 生誕 are an example I have at the top of my head of that kind of thing.

Austin Edwards
Austin Edwards

作製 and 製作? Don't know if any more exist though.

Carson Johnson
Carson Johnson

easiest one
切腹
腹切

Bentley Sullivan
Bentley Sullivan

What's the story there?

Jaxson Lewis
Jaxson Lewis

anyone here read medaka box? Everyone said nisio writing being hard was just a meme, but I swear this is way more difficult to understand/has way more kanji I don't know than other shounen manga. For reference I just read through koe no katachi in a little under a week and felt pretty comfortable, needed to look up maybe a word per page on average.

Jeremiah Kelly
Jeremiah Kelly

Some kid's mom saw one of his vids.

Samuel Price
Samuel Price

The 切腹 腹切 that someone else posted is a good example, but most of the ones that are identical in meaning and pronunciation tend to be extremely obscure.

A hint to reading them, though: when the char implying action comes first, it's an on'yomi, last, a kun'yomi. The different SVO and SOV structures of Chinese and Japanese respectively are helpful here and quite useful for reading new and unknown compounds.

Jaxson Long
Jaxson Long

I haven't seen any of his stuff. Is it the kind of thing to give some mother the vapours?

Jose Baker
Jose Baker

Start reading manga in Japanese.
Like the manga a lot.
Switch to English instead because it's faster
Every fucking time.

Jayden Powell
Jayden Powell

He drinks and swears, and it seems like that's enough to frighten Japanese people off.

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

Well, go watch one.

Nicholas Rogers
Nicholas Rogers

been reading one piece in english
find a place with raws
decide to start reading raws instead
read three chapters
stop reading one piece for 4 months until I give up and read in english instead
It wasn't even hard to read, just fucking slow

Jordan Gray
Jordan Gray

Why even bother learning Japanese if you're fine with the English translated garbage

Hunter Clark
Hunter Clark

That'll wear off once you get more comfortable reading. It helps if you force yourself not to switch over.

Hudson Rivera
Hudson Rivera

Why's it gotta be so impossible to find japanese ISOs for my favorite PS2 games?

I just wanted to replay Dark Cloud 2 and the .hack games in japanese...

Julian Howard
Julian Howard

watch Namasensei's te-form video
no distinction between te and tte, (even though he pronounces it correctly)
says that the te-form is the command form
Why is this allowed?

Sebastian Lee
Sebastian Lee

Try to find obscure things that you like but where the English tl falls behind.

Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

I guess I should stop reading manga above my level now since I'm learning Japanese.

Ian Flores
Ian Flores

ビッグ ディックス イン マイ 尻

Matthew Reed
Matthew Reed

Yeah, pretty much.

William Lopez
William Lopez

I'm not actually sure about what they mean with the (En,Ja) ones, I know when you beat the game in the PAL version at least you could select japanese voice overs, but I can't remember if that was japanese text also, and I don't really feel like playing again in english just to play in japanese.

I didn't know Vol 3 and 4 were up, though. Only 1 showed up for me earlier.

They're still missing one. And no Dark Cloud. As well as a bunch of other PS2 games. Earlier systems seem to have plenty of japanese roms available. I've tried searching in japanese as well.

Landon Harris
Landon Harris

Emuparadise.me

You're welcome.

Juan Richardson
Juan Richardson

I only read it in English, but towards the end (sometime 100+ chapters in) there are a literal shitton of word plays. Like, switching kanji and breaking the fourth wall is the topic of an entire arc if not more iirc. I imagine that to get pretty difficult, although I regret not going through it in Japanese.

Dominic Jones
Dominic Jones

Well, shut my mouth, they don't have it...

Bentley Flores
Bentley Flores

Yeah, they're fantastic for earlier systems, but finding japanese roms of PS2 games that have english localizations can be a lot more difficult.

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

There is a Chinese site with almost all NTSC-J ISOs in existence.

Isaiah Moore
Isaiah Moore

What is it? I came across a few in search results but I don't know chinese so I couldn't tell! They also required registration and I didn't want to waste time signing up for a bunch of things that might just be fake/expired results

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

I did some quick Googling and it looks like there may be some legit links if you search for "dark cloud jpn iso". On an iPad right now, so I cannot confirm.

Lucas Edwards
Lucas Edwards

so I couldn't tell!
Woah calm down

Xavier Peterson
Xavier Peterson

Ohh, thanks for the tip. I tried NTSC-J and J but totally forgot to try jpn.

!!!!!

Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

makes a post saying there's a site
doesn't link it or indicate how you'd find it in any way

Daniel Jones
Daniel Jones

English translated garbage
How accurate is this meme, anyway?

Nathan Green
Nathan Green

It's very true that every game that gets translated is garbage

Kevin Torres
Kevin Torres

file not found
Shit. That's what happens when it's blogs with filehosters instead of dedicated rom sites that host their own uploads.

Levi Morris
Levi Morris

I got one:

毛羽 Fluff

and

羽毛 Down

Luis Diaz
Luis Diaz

It's part of the adventure dude :^)

I hope he just forgot and isn't messing with me.

Leo Garcia
Leo Garcia

Sorry, mate. I could probably buy it for about 200円 at the Geo down the street, but it would cost ten times that much to ship.

Bentley Watson
Bentley Watson

Ahhh, oh well. There's plenty of untranslated games to play anyway. I'm just surprised that they don't really seem to have any dedicated rom websites of their own.

Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

Nothing there is hard
The things that might at first seem obscure (全国模試,偏差値) are things that are extremely relevant to japanese students

Liam Wright
Liam Wright

Ripping and uploading it would be a fairly simple alternative. Same as a dvd I think.

Nicholas Howard
Nicholas Howard

I have read the guide, but what is, in your opinion, the best way to learn hiragana's kana?

Julian White
Julian White

Where do all the cool kids hang out?

Juan Powell
Juan Powell

pick them out one by one w a spoon and say its sound out loud before you slurp it up slowly (mmm)

Henry Rogers
Henry Rogers

Hellotalk.

Anthony Fisher
Anthony Fisher

/int/

Juan Morgan
Juan Morgan

Do Remember The Kana, and struggle through reading every kana you see. Even if you dekinai for a week or a month or two or what the fuck ever, just keep reading them kanas. The sfx in hentai manga, weabboo shitposts, etc. Also realkana after RTk.

Aaron Lee
Aaron Lee

hiragana's kana
what

Christopher Young
Christopher Young

That place is full of dumb nigger sailors trying to be clever by hating on white people behind jap flags while stationed overseas.

Jackson Lee
Jackson Lee

Just wait till he hits those Chinese Kanji letters

Jason Miller
Jason Miller

The guide only gives me practice under the kana section, I'd like a way to memorize, learn, and fully understand it. Thank you.

Benjamin Kelly
Benjamin Kelly

I've been on HelloTalk for months now and I've never gotten significant practice with anyone there. Maybe once, but still the conversation was uninteresting as fuck.

Ryan Reyes
Ryan Reyes

I don't know what the fuck you're on about but http://realkana.com

Kevin Parker
Kevin Parker

This + writing.

Gabriel Watson
Gabriel Watson

Why the fuck do you think that someone who hasn't learned kana yet would know what 出来ない means?

Fucking faggots, you are the reason why these threads are always shit.

I hope that the mods start wanting to get rid of these threads again.

Blake Scott
Blake Scott

How did the dumb nigger sailors learn fluent japanese

Jaxon Morris
Jaxon Morris

They are too busy watching anime and reading VNs to be hanging out and only come here to shit on you for being bad at Japanese

Evan Green
Evan Green

Where should I go if I want to practice my Japanese on a 3DPD?

Matthew Perez
Matthew Perez

Japan

Landon Cooper
Landon Cooper

ore spelled it in eigo, troll. Keep talking kuso, and boku fucking korosu you cocogin. wakaru?

Xavier Thompson
Xavier Thompson

I mean online.
Fuck, I don't even have the time or money to go to Japan.

Michael Perez
Michael Perez

Go talk to random streamers on ニコ生

Jace Ross
Jace Ross

just look up stroke order.

but then how are we gonna laugh at the dekinais?

Xavier Gray
Xavier Gray

naiS
やめろ

David Sullivan
David Sullivan

出来ないたち?

Grayson Richardson
Grayson Richardson

What is a good mature retention? Is 90% decent?

Thomas Jones
Thomas Jones

98,5% is decent, 99%+ is good, 100% is the ideal

Lincoln Cox
Lincoln Cox

ha pleb everyone knows if you don't have 99.95% you're literally retarded

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

Post your KG

Depends on you. Everything over 90% is good IMO. I got 93%

Brayden Thompson
Brayden Thompson

I just downloaded the kanji grid add-on, how do I generate a kanji-grid?

Liam Bailey
Liam Bailey

>>141999653
Top left, Tools, Addons, Kanji Grid, Sort by score

Ethan Lopez
Ethan Lopez

わ、わたし?!

Ian Phillips
Ian Phillips

/djt/, what is the best anime this season?

Charles Hernandez
Charles Hernandez

why are you posting here

Levi Morris
Levi Morris

Because I just started learning Japanese and need your advice

Oliver Howard
Oliver Howard

Literally every class you take for the first year/year and a half of Japanese will call te-form the "command" form.

It's an easier concept to grasp than "connective form with a shitload of additional grammar."

teiru might get covered in an elementary Japanese class, but actual te auxiliaries are left until intermediate level.

Mason Reyes
Mason Reyes

my advice is to get your JLPT 1 and get out of here

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

ironcastleのハバネロ

Angel Cox
Angel Cox

mayoiga

Oliver Thompson
Oliver Thompson

I'll take it this december

Gavin Lewis
Gavin Lewis

フライングういっち

Owen Fisher
Owen Fisher

wagamama high spec

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

great taste, user

Xavier Ortiz
Xavier Ortiz

didnt think it was possible to have taste this shit

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

anime about frying witches
Sounds great

Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

If I wanted to describe an instrument I play as 'loud' but not in a negative way would I use 派手? Or does that only mean 'loud' in an attention grabbing sort of way, I suppose I'd just use うるさい for noisy?

Nolan Price
Nolan Price

Use ラウド

Camden Anderson
Camden Anderson

Hellotalkです

Bentley Brooks
Bentley Brooks

ここで日本語を学んでいる青少年たちに興味があります

Jacob Robinson
Jacob Robinson

ホモはでていけ

Tyler Ortiz
Tyler Ortiz

俺はおまえに興味があるよ

Nathaniel Smith
Nathaniel Smith

Enough to make you think that everything that wasn't originally produced in your native language has been altered in a way that the final result is no longer what the author meant to have written.

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

キモい

Robert Hall
Robert Hall

恐る恐る運転しながら時にはアクティブ?に安全運転で帰りました。

While driving timidly occasionally actively safely driving we returned home.

Wtf does アクティブ?に安全運転

It could be 2 sentences but I dont think so.

Gavin Thomas
Gavin Thomas

This looks like the kind of weird bullshit found in light novels.

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

Don't translate it. Read it out loud as if you're the one saying it.

Jack Peterson
Jack Peterson

じゃあ、明日いっしょにコーヒーを飲みに行きます。

Can you use [masu stem]+に行く as part of an invitation? Or does that not make sense/is unnatural/dumb?

Parker Gray
Parker Gray

Cautiously, sometimes even... too much so? we drove back safely.

Joseph Richardson
Joseph Richardson

As someone who doesn't know anything about Japanese other than they have three different methods of writing, can you explain how this works?

Xavier Scott
Xavier Scott

works fine

飲みに行こう

Liam Nelson
Liam Nelson

It's weird.

飲んでいこう? is more appropriate.

Eli Jenkins
Eli Jenkins

tfw don't have to wait for translations anymore
feels fucking good. i can't believe there are people out there (with the time) that wait years for translations instead of just learning the language

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

There's nothing to explain, 止める and 辛い can both technically be read two ways

Luke Brown
Luke Brown

Context.

Michael Wilson
Michael Wilson

got tomeru wrong
got tsurai right
Complicated a feeling so.

Thomas Thompson
Thomas Thompson

I think it's actually supposed to be とどめる, tbqh.

Angel Lopez
Angel Lopez

Kanji isn't a phonetic script so the pronunciation of the characters changes depending on the word they're being used in. Most kanji have at least 2 possible readings (pronunciations), and some can have considerably more than that.

Because the kanji and okurigana are identical in 止める (とめる) and 止める (やめる), and 辛い (からい) and 辛い (つらい), the only way you can tell which reading (pronunciation) is intended is by seeing the words used in context.

Luke Thompson
Luke Thompson

How do I set up Anki to mine words from visual novels? It's probably in the guide, but I can't find it and I'm really eager to play Higurashi and mine the shit out of it.
pls halp

Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

It doesn't work on Windows or Macs, you have to install an operational system called Gentoo, then your Anki will have mining as a setting

Samuel Barnes
Samuel Barnes

Stop trolling him. You need to use FreeBSD, not Gentoo.

Daniel Garcia
Daniel Garcia

Sure, /g/ :^)
Not falling for your shit

Josiah Edwards
Josiah Edwards

When did you grow out of using 僕?
You certainly stopped at least when you became an adult, right?

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

not using あたし

Gavin Lopez
Gavin Lopez

I've been always using 私 and I'll never stop doing so

Caleb Collins
Caleb Collins

not using 某

Jeremiah Rivera
Jeremiah Rivera

Please don't give advice as a beginner

Joshua Ramirez
Joshua Ramirez

Thanks.

Kayden Wood
Kayden Wood

That's what this thread is about, though. If you don't want advice from beginners go talk to actual rice eaters on /int/

Sebastian King
Sebastian King

Alright, for various reasons that I won't get into (suffice it to say I have to do about an hour and a half of working out each day), I don't have much time in my day for studying. I've gotten to about 800 kanji learned and am working my way through Tae Kim. Assuming I'm still at 800 kanji when I finish Tae Kim (obviously, I won't be), would this be enough for me to start reading my creepy visual novel porn games? I'm extremely eager to start reading stuff I'm actually interested in, but studying is a slog when I think about how I could be playing porn games instead.

Christian Cox
Christian Cox

No, you need to have learned at least core2k to read

Nathaniel Garcia
Nathaniel Garcia

I mean like, there's intermediates here too you can leave the question to them.

Lucas Myers
Lucas Myers

わし masterrace

わし芝出ていけ、ガキたち!

Thomas Bailey
Thomas Bailey

Sure, but expect to go awfully slowly and look up 8 words out of 10.
Suffer through it for a few weeks and your speed will dramatically increase.

Hudson Howard
Hudson Howard

辞める
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1463850584361.webm

Daniel Johnson
Daniel Johnson

You could start reading them now if you're good at looking things up

Owen Cox
Owen Cox

there's intermediates here too

ayy lmao

Jeremiah Hernandez
Jeremiah Hernandez

i thought it was something truly erotic

James Edwards
James Edwards

So why aren't you using WaniKani, /djt/?

It's objectively the best tool to learn Japanese, you know!

Noah Price
Noah Price

Higurashi
You have to start with Flyable Heart. Agree to read it first and I'll tell you.

Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

I can say things like 貴方はすごい莫迦ですきっと which puts me a level above you 初心者たち

Eli Price
Eli Price

Flyable Heart
I'd rather read Hanahira

Aiden Ross
Aiden Ross

putting anything after です

Kayden Nguyen
Kayden Nguyen

But I'm already using your mom, the best tool to learn Japanese. I grind on here more than I grind Anki.

Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard

莫迦発見ですここに

Samuel Hernandez
Samuel Hernandez

What you need to be able to read is a good sense of grammar first and foremost and then an ability to recognize words or at least familiar kanji pronunciations so you can look them up on jisho quickly (and remember them; if your memory sucks don't bother reading before doing core2k).
Drawing them into google translate is a good fallback for when you run into a new word with kanji you don't know how to read.

A good grasp of simple grammar is the most important thing you can get, but it comes from exposure and not from Tae Kim. He does provide a good foundation for it though.

Ian Lopez
Ian Lopez

being this new

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

He's reading porn games he can just use a text hooker

Ryan Morris
Ryan Morris

Unless you read Flyable Heart you will never learn Japanese

Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

出来ない
出来ない
出来ない
出来ない
出来ない
出来ない
出来ない

Cooper Watson
Cooper Watson

いるこれあたらしい

Carson Jackson
Carson Jackson

Someone should write a couple pages of this in veticle text and shop it to look like that nisio page of 嫌いだ

Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks

わたしはflyable heart を読みたそれで日本語マスターなったです

Nolan Bell
Nolan Bell

This is going to sound fucking stupid but it's worth a try.

Does anyone know where I could find grammatically complex and difficult japanese paragraphs/sentences/articles that have been picked apart and have each part of the sentence explained?

It's very easy finding something like that for simpler grammar, but when it comes to more complicated grammar I haven't had much luck finding them in use together.

Daniel Diaz
Daniel Diaz

pretty please

Wyatt Diaz
Wyatt Diaz

Why are there no furigana in ero manga? Fuck this.

Thomas Johnson
Thomas Johnson

Have you read this? It should be in the CoR.
It's pretty much what you want, some not too hard but adult level short novels picked apart word by word.

Ethan Ross
Ethan Ross

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/advanced

Wyatt Thompson
Wyatt Thompson

Assuming I'm still at 800 kanji when I finish Tae Kim (obviously, I won't be), would this be enough for me to start reading my creepy visual novel porn games?
According to this image (no idea where they're getting their data from), and assuming your goal is 100% coverage, no.

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

Post the nisio page.

Justin King
Justin King

http://ameblo.jp/aiaia18/entry-10297510792.html

I recommend this blog. It has some very difficult japanese sentences with detailed explanations, and does one short chunk at at time. It has pictures to go along with it to help your understanding.

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

https://a.pomf.cat/zgvtev.png
https://a.pomf.cat/prpvqi.png
https://a.pomf.cat/gqoida.png
https://a.pomf.cat/ngisst.png
https://a.pomf.cat/hoprfk.png
https://a.pomf.cat/vthtqf.png
https://a.pomf.cat/dbrmpv.png
https://a.pomf.cat/uavwgh.png

Michael Green
Michael Green

I've found my brain tends to fry if I do too much Anki and I tend to forget new kanji faster than I can commit them to memory, leading to a feedback loop that will inevitably end with me having to review all 2k cards each day. My fear is that I'll get so bogged down in the studying that I'll never reap the rewards of pornographic anime games.
I would fully expect it to be slow, but it'd be replacing my general gaming time, so I'd have plenty of time. Just can't spend too much time studying because my brain will fry and I'll fuck up on my Ankis and have unwieldy review times.
I'm not good at looking things up with one hand.
As has been said, I can use a text hooker. I like to think I have a decent memory, but considering how slow-going my Anki studying is, I'm not so sure. Maybe Anki is just too repetitive and not fun for me. That said, how can I get a good sense of grammar? I figured going to visual novels instead of manga/light novels after Tae Kim would be optimal (horizontal text, able to use a text hooker to look things up, VOs to go with the reading), but is there something more I need?

Jackson Stewart
Jackson Stewart

New to all this, but doesn't the /djt/ guide say that Tae Kim's 'advanced' grammar is actually still pretty basic?

Is that true?

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

It still covers basic grammar, that makes it defacto basic.

Aaron Torres
Aaron Torres

Holy shit I knew it!
Fuck I hate it when that shit happens, you think "what the fuck is wrong I know it's pronounced やめる" and you think you are stupid and then you find out you weren't so stupid and it's actually both correct.

Same shit if you learn a kanji that has a similar meaning in every word and then it goes full retard and means something completely different in another word.

I fucking hate Japanese, but I also love it and this shit won't stop me.

David Rodriguez
David Rodriguez

All real grammar is basic

Tyler Roberts
Tyler Roberts

You didn't get either of them right if you didn't realize that they can mean multiple things ;)

Landon Allen
Landon Allen

Horizontal text and text hookers aren't as easy as furigana with simple words and easy grammar in beginner manga. Just reading a few of those will cement the basics of grammar and vocab. If you have absolutely no interest in manga though, do whatever will motivate you best.

Gabriel Davis
Gabriel Davis

Fuck literally every other show has hard subs these days

Justin Green
Justin Green

Well, I don't mean to say I have no interest in manga. My end game is light novels, but it's easier for me to replace my game time with pornographic games than non-pornographic reading material. That said, I'll be sure to check out some of the beginner level manga in the DJT guide. Thanks for the help, user.

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

How many new cards are you doing per day? Are you doing them EVERY day? Are you doing Core and not some kanji-only deck?

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

yes

Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

Why don't you replace game time with VNs with gameplay, like Eushully or Alicesoft games, Baldr Sky and so on?

Henry James
Henry James

Really? I actually found the "correct" sentences and easy-lookup with rikai to be easier to read as a beginner compared to manga which usually has many more truncated phrases and pieces of slang.

Carson Murphy
Carson Murphy

Tell me that I'm a useless piece of shit that will never be able to learn Japanese.

It kinda motivates me.

Eli White
Eli White

What do you all think about JLU's Remembering the Kanji deck?

http://japaneselevelup.com/japanese-level-up-rtk-mod-anki-deck/
An user recommended this a few days ago.
I know I probably sound really fucking stupid, but should I jump into this before Core?

Joshua Wood
Joshua Wood

Read Real Japanese Essays

Levi Turner
Levi Turner

Would anyone like to set up a reading group where we would get on skype together maybe 2-3 times a week and jointly read a article together and discuss?

Gabriel Campbell
Gabriel Campbell

Kunyomi compounds are literally the worst part of Japanese.

James Gray
James Gray

お前がどんなに頑張って日本語を出来るようになったところで
二次元の女を抱くことはかなわない

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

I'm doing Core6k. I've currently got it set to 5 new cards per day. I've done it every day 161 days (I used to have more new cards each day, but my reviews were suffering pretty badly and I was getting in the habit of remembering that I could never remember certain cards rather than actually remembering what they meant).
Why would I want to play games with gameplay, ewww. I'm not some nerd, I'm a creepy guy who watches cartoons. Right now, my "game time" is spent on Higurashi on Steam (modded, of course) anyways, so it wouldn't be a huge transition when it comes to what I'd actually be doing.

Brandon Bennett
Brandon Bennett

Sure dude I'll read violated heroine with you just let me know when you want to start

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

A text hooker works fine for VNs and such. I find OCR to be hot garbage though, so recognizing kanji and gleaning words from context is still a good skill for reading manga or physical media.
Vertical text is a non-obstacle by the way.

I think a couple months of watching anime with subtitles as training wheels made a significant difference in my ability to understand simple grammar, like what you will probably find in manga and VNs. Basically, exposure is number 1 and it helps if you have a lot of context like voice and visuals to go with it. I haven't read any VNs but they're probably not bad in that department, so they should also serve as good practice as long as you have a way to make sure your interpretations of everything are correct.

Blake Bennett
Blake Bennett

as you have a way to make sure your interpretations of everything are correct

Wrong, you just have to make sure they eventually become correct, but you'd have to be brain dead to misinterpret most things after the 20th time you see them

Alexander Barnes
Alexander Barnes

前の年の同じ月を0.2%上回り、2年10か月連続の上昇となりました。

日銀の発表によりますと、先月、企業向けに提供されたサービスの価格は、平成22年の平均を100とした指数で102.9となり、前の年の同じ月を0.2%上回りました。指数が前の年の同じ月を上回るのは2年10か月連続です

why nhk why must you repeat the same information twice every article. i swear to god this happens every article

Kevin Nelson
Kevin Nelson

He doesn't cover anything you can begin to call advanced. He does cover enough stuff to give you a foundation for the rest, though. You can get everything else from DOJG, imabi, and searching on alc.co.jp

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

Learn Kanji through Core. Go back to RTK only if you have trouble with the kanji.

Jayden Cooper
Jayden Cooper

He covers some things that are rare, although not many. What do you call advanced if you don't just mean rare? Is your definition of "advanced" tautological? As in "It's advanced because it took me a while to see it because it wasn't in Tae Kim"

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez

If you don't have that much interest in the material you're using for practice then sure. Eventually might be a pretty long time though.
I just have a reflex to try and fully understand every set phrase or unknown piece of grammar I come across.

Julian Cooper
Julian Cooper

5 cards wow that's uhh, little. How many reviews do you get on average per day?

my reviews were suffering pretty badly and I was getting in the habit of remembering that I could never remember certain cards rather than actually remembering what they meant

Were you making sure to hit the Again button if there was something you didn't remember about the card? Or were you just hitting Hard?

Kevin Sanchez
Kevin Sanchez

Keep in mind that a perfect score on N1 nets you "Intermediate" status here in DJT.

Brayden Carter
Brayden Carter

Please dont divide grammar into artificial categories like "basic, advanced, inter"; the point is all grammar may appear at any time.

That being said some of the advanced topics only appear in formal writing, but ive seen some of them in my mongolian horse paintings often too.

Just man up and fucking remember them all. Dont focus on this bullshit about skill level just keep reading.

Jose Reed
Jose Reed

how can I get a good sense of grammar?
Watch anime. Lots of it

Henry Young
Henry Young

That's pretty much realistic though. JLPT doesn't even test conversational or writing ability, the whole exam is a joke.

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

The thing is that making a guess doesn't mean you don't understand it. If you guess right, then it means you do understand it.

In a sense, you're making a guess every time you interpret a sentence. It's just a question of at what level do you lose confidence in your guess. And, the majority of mistakes (as in, things you don't understand but THINK you do, not just thinks you don't understand) will not impact your interpretation of the story, because either the line wasn't all that important or it will be obvious in 2 more lines when the conversation doesn't makes sense any more.

Jose Lee
Jose Lee

again fuck off with this level nonsense it does nothing but detract from learning

get back to your reps and reading

Elijah Cox
Elijah Cox

About 80 reviews. I hit again if there's anything I don't remember about a card.
Already do, my n word.

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

Already do
Obviously not enough

Owen Watson
Owen Watson

creepy
fuck off

Jeremiah Sanders
Jeremiah Sanders

Found it. And I'm not reading Flyable Heart ',:^)

John Hill
John Hill

Well, yeah. I have other shit I have to do, I can only delegate so much time. It's not like I've only been watching anime for a couple years either, I've been watching since 2005 or so, but I don't have much free time anymore.

Jose Davis
Jose Davis

they're really euphemisms for "ubiquitous", "common", and "uncommon".

yeah, if you're not native level in all respects, you're intermediate. sasuga djt

Brody Perry
Brody Perry

I don't have much free time anymore
he thinks he can learn Japanese without being a NEET studying 24/7

Henry Gonzalez
Henry Gonzalez

What are the mistakes?

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

They're all lit up nicely for you.

Jaxon Sanchez
Jaxon Sanchez

I still don't get it though.

Jacob Campbell
Jacob Campbell

It's using kanji with the same reading but different meaning

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

Well, it was designed by japs, of course it's a joke.

Christian Murphy
Christian Murphy

Not quite since the middle is just the wrong radical for the right kanji
And the right one is partially covered up by subtitles

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

好き

買い

味方

John Evans
John Evans

From left to right

- 見方 should be 味方 (mikata - an ally)
- The lower "box" in 買う should have two horizontal lines, not one (eye radical, not day radical)
- You subs are covering it up but i think it's the wrong kanji and should say 好き instead of 奴き

Julian Sullivan
Julian Sullivan

Yeah that makes sense. The point at which I lose confidence in my guesses completely and the narrative gets unclear is when I go and try to find out if there's some piece I'm missing.
It seems to be a problem of interpreting the context of a sentence rather than its grammar or vocab for the most part.

Jeremiah Bennett
Jeremiah Bennett

Does stroke order really matter or not as long as we can write the Kanji?

Levi Walker
Levi Walker

only a little so you're not mentally retarded

Nathaniel Watson
Nathaniel Watson

Oh yeah I'm never advocating for people to just makes stuff up, just that if you think you understand it you shouldn't feel the need to be told you understood it for every thing you come across. Everyone's gonna make mistakes anyway so the few that get through aren't a huge deal.

William Perry
William Perry

if you write a kanji in the wrong stroke order before the eyes of a man who knows the correct order then you are pretty much forced to commit suicide by tradition (imo)

Nathan Davis
Nathan Davis

you write faster and pick up new words faster if you know the right stroke order

Jacob Richardson
Jacob Richardson

What music do you listen to while you do your reps?

Lincoln Cruz
Lincoln Cruz

As long as it looks right it doesn't matter. The only time it would matter is if you are writing calligraphy

Lucas Moore
Lucas Moore

Pick your favorite five kanji (caveat: must be at least 6 strokes)
write them five times every day for three days
Congrats, now you understand stroke order

Asher Hughes
Asher Hughes

I'm not too experienced in this but sounds like a case of 出来ない. Pretty sure everyone does 15+ new cards a day and gets at least 100-something reviews.
You must be doing something wrong (like procrastinating during Anki way too much or not doing it at an appropriate time), or have the memory of a goldfish.
I don't know how you're gonna remember words from picking them up from a game if you can't do it from Anki.

BTW last question, how long does it take you to do Anki each day?

Justin Collins
Justin Collins

I would but I like the audio.

Nolan Carter
Nolan Carter

I've been watching since 2005
still struggling with grammar
I learnt Japanese from anime in 5 years

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

Anyone knows what "したげよっか" means? It seems like some kind of asking for consent or whatever but I can't find anything confirming it nor can I google an example of it being used in a way I'd be able to understand.

Xavier Martinez
Xavier Martinez

japanese music for japanese reps

this one's got no words but I've been enjoying it lately

Isaac Gonzalez
Isaac Gonzalez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UUTgWhQZJk

Jace Hernandez
Jace Hernandez

してあげようか

Elijah Thomas
Elijah Thomas

してあげようか

Justin Flores
Justin Flores

Thanks

Easton Campbell
Easton Campbell

ただ二秒の差か
これじゃ誰が先だったのかわからないから
両方にレスして判別しよう

勝った人に3点
負けた人に2点

Cameron Powell
Cameron Powell

About 20 minutes. I'll bump up my new cards limit and see if I can do better now that I've started to get a better idea of how it works.

David Ward
David Ward

Alright. Was expecting for it to be more time but it's definitely too short.

Owen Lopez
Owen Lopez

Just learn the stroke order for the individual radicals of all kanji which are like 200

Then follow the general guidelines of top-down left-right

Anything more than that is autism.

Ian Wood
Ian Wood

Susumu hirasawa is nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgLQwE62_Q4

Anthony Perez
Anthony Perez

caring about writing

Parker Johnson
Parker Johnson

Why would you do that? It's just distracting.

I like to say the answer to the card out-loud so music would get in the way of that too.

Mason Sanders
Mason Sanders

music is a good way to make tasks you find tedious more bearable

Easton Edwards
Easton Edwards

its distracting and shows you have no self discipline

Wyatt Davis
Wyatt Davis

it's distracting but I like listening to it anyway, it's a deliberate choice
besides with my tremendous self discipline I have finished literally all of my reps and now no longer need to utilize anki

Wyatt Barnes
Wyatt Barnes

But I really don't have self discipline, and that doesn't matter as long as I do my reps.

Hudson Campbell
Hudson Campbell

When I try to play a game in japanese I always seem to end up either reading very carefully and trying tl learn every word I don't know and end up taking a lot or skip the text because I want to play. Do you guys have any game suggestions? The only games that come to mind and didn't have this problema are pokemon.

Adrian King
Adrian King

I've been trying to hook ITH to VNs for over an hour now and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. It just doesn't show any text at all.

I'm using this guide ( http://pastebin.com/raw/yhDP2CwF ) and I can't get past step 6.

Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

nigga katawa shoujo's original language is english.

Jack Williams
Jack Williams

Katawa Shoujo.exe

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

The problem is you're not reading Flyable Heart, which should be everyone's first full-length VN in Japanese. Fix this and your problem will be solved.

Jack Ortiz
Jack Ortiz

I've tried it with several different VNs, including Steins;Gate, Umineko, Higurashi, Saya no Uta, Hanahira, Dorei to no Seikatsu.

Nothing worked.

Whatever, dude. It's not working anyway.

Brayden Lopez
Brayden Lopez

what's with the Flyable Heart meme. pls 説明してください

Ethan Hall
Ethan Hall

Have you gone through a couple lines in the VN? The other threads won't show up in the list until you do.

Charles Ward
Charles Ward

Why?

Ian Rivera
Ian Rivera

Everyone in this thread who has a reasonably advanced level of Japanese either learned it through non-thread methods like going to Japan, or read Flyable Heart. Therefore it seems obvious that you have to read it if you want to learn Japanese.

William Clark
William Clark

You see the "ConsoleOutput" bit? Click that and it should bring up a drop-down list. Try clicking through the options.

Of course, you'll need to actually get to a bit with text for anything to show up there.

Sebastian Martin
Sebastian Martin

http://maggiesensei.com/2010/09/14/request-lesson-%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%81%86%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9Fchau-chatta/
What's up with the chau form I don't recall reading about this shit before.

Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

行ってしまう
行っちまう
行っちゃう
これで、どうか行っちゃえ

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

Oh, I feel kinda retarded now.
Well, I guess it worked... sort of. Now the only thing that appears is this CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC line

Carter Ward
Carter Ward

It's in Tae Kim's guide m8.

Jack Wright
Jack Wright

Forgot the pic

David Phillips
David Phillips

Try a different VN. Don't know why you're even trying to texthook KS in the first place.

Samuel Cook
Samuel Cook

If none of the options contain the text you want you have to set a hook thread yourself by finding the hook code somewhere on the internet. But I don't think anyone cares about japanese Katawa Shoujo since the original is English.

Thomas Thomas
Thomas Thomas

I wanted to read FH but I can't even get the disc to mount properly because it was created using non-free software.

Luis Morales
Luis Morales

its easy to read

Jaxson Watson
Jaxson Watson

Just tried it with Higurashi again and it didn't work, except for some options buttons that appeared mid-game.

Oh, I see.

Well, I guess I'll just do as that user said and get Flyable Heart and hope it works.
Thanks for the help, mates.

Austin Sanchez
Austin Sanchez

日本人の血を継がないものには
日本語の習得なんてとてもできない

蜥蜴が羽を生やして飛べるようにはなれないように
人が世の摂理には抗えないの

摂理に抗うものには
挫折と、苦痛しかない

Dylan Bennett
Dylan Bennett

にほんじんになれた

Ryder Gonzalez
Ryder Gonzalez

来襲
襲来

Sort of.

Jaxon Allen
Jaxon Allen

You made the right decision, friend. I look forward to your success and prosperity. If you have any issues setting it up, feel free to ask, we will be only too happy to help.

Nathaniel Martinez
Nathaniel Martinez

一つだけでもレスもらえて本当に嬉しいです
これからももよろしくおねがいいたしまする

Liam Sanders
Liam Sanders

What skill level do I need to be ready to take on Flyable Heart?

Jose Roberts
Jose Roberts

Read something good instead

Brayden Lee
Brayden Lee

N1 at least.

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

I'd recommend having read at least one other thing first, something child-tier easy like Yotsuba or Hanahira. If you've finished anything like that, you're probably fine, but if you're just out of Tae Kim it might be a little tough.

Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

Such as

Ryan Cooper
Ryan Cooper

If you can't think of anything you actually want to read why are you learning Japanese.

Sebastian Ramirez
Sebastian Ramirez

N1?
Couldn't see reference to that in the guide.

Noah Martinez
Noah Martinez

just use ITHVNR

Samuel Myers
Samuel Myers

Bad meme, ignore it.

Chase Roberts
Chase Roberts

Alright, I'll keep practicing with Yotsubato then!

Grayson Wright
Grayson Wright

ボクはゲイなんですけど

Michael Russell
Michael Russell

会社でエロラノベを読める俺は、幸せです

Ryder Mitchell
Ryder Mitchell

I'm not that guy. Are you suggesting "something good" because he isn't reading what he wanted to read?

Cooper Hill
Cooper Hill

お前が仕事をしている間にお前の家にひっそりと入ってエロマンガを読んで家具に射精する俺が本当の幸せ

Jordan Cox
Jordan Cox

dinandesuhado?
(wa?)

Isaac Harris
Isaac Harris

Yes.

But here if you want a suggestion of something that isn't recommended just because of its low kanji count then https://vndb.org/v415

Matthew Butler
Matthew Butler

数秒前にボクの肛門から大うんこが現れたよ

Daniel Clark
Daniel Clark

そごいね
意外と世の醍醐味が分かってるじゃん
ここでほかのウンコ通に会えるなんて思わなかった

Gabriel Smith
Gabriel Smith

どうぞよろしくおねがいします
あとの片付け、お前に任せろ

Connor Lewis
Connor Lewis

そこまで好きじゃないけど出る途中であのしびれる感じが最高だよ

James Scott
James Scott

maruto sux and so does your face!!

Ryder Phillips
Ryder Phillips

Wait, wait, Hanahira is as easy as Yotsuba&? I'm a yurifag so I guess I'll skip Yotsuba and read it as soon as I finish Core2k and Tae Kim.

Benjamin Cruz
Benjamin Cruz

its weird going back on some webms of my aboriginal dreamtime puppet shows and understanding a lot more of the dialog than when i first made them

Andrew Morales
Andrew Morales

I'd say yotsuba's at least somewhat easier, but you're going to be struggling a lot with either of them so do whatever, VNs are definitely more beneficial since you get listening practice in early too

Henry Scott
Henry Scott

drinking and English expletives scaring off a Japanese
What? Their society is basically lubricated by alcohol and excessive verbosity.

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

勇者は他の勇者を愛することがダメよ

Colton Gutierrez
Colton Gutierrez

Is there anything the Japs haven't inserted kuso miso into yet?

Jaxon Rivera
Jaxon Rivera

Shit, the MC's age is the only thing that sounds right about him, the art isn't exactly what I'd want to see romantic/lewd CGs in and I'm averted to games with overly huge casts because they tend to be unfocused, but the premise sounds good enough. Thanks for the rec

Also if somebody's just starting out, I'd suggest AGAINST reading what they truly wanted to read anyway, because they would be spoiling themselves while not even enjoying it to the fullest. Get a bunch of throwaway/next-on-the-list materials instead

Connor Morris
Connor Morris

We back?

Owen Russell
Owen Russell

Todays flash cards went really well. I did them about 15-20 minutes faster than usual, and I feel confident they'll stick until tomorrows reviews even. On days like this it really does feel like I can learn Japanese. And it supposedly gets even easier past the core2k mark when less new kanji gets introduced. Awesome!

James Hernandez
James Hernandez

no

Jaxon Rivera
Jaxon Rivera

Thomas Perez
Thomas Perez

Guy in Japan here. Been here for 8 years.

Willing to answer any questions if anybody has some.

Josiah Diaz
Josiah Diaz

おはようおにいちゃん

いんかん

にほんではひつじゅひんだよ

Gabriel Taylor
Gabriel Taylor

珈琲
基督
Oh fuck off.

Cooper Hernandez
Cooper Hernandez

why?

Camden Flores
Camden Flores

Most loan words have ateji it's just no one uses them

Except for sometimes like with 背広

Grayson Martinez
Grayson Martinez

背広 is easier to remember than the alternative though.

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

How much are you hated by the japs

Connor Roberts
Connor Roberts

True, kana words are a bitch

Kayden Brooks
Kayden Brooks

おはよういむうとちゃん

げんき

Chase Taylor
Chase Taylor

why did you name yourself after a naruto character

Gavin Turner
Gavin Turner

when will you start learning japanese

Jack Rivera
Jack Rivera

残念ですが、今のボク達に"水素爆弾"は必要ありません

Sebastian Gutierrez
Sebastian Gutierrez

いきもしてるし

しんぞうもうごいているよ

ちしおもうごめいているよ

Camden Reyes
Camden Reyes

I found a good Japanese joke site. A kind of caption contest I guess.
http://bokete.jp/

Chase Thompson
Chase Thompson

I chuckled at that bear one

Kayden Allen
Kayden Allen

応答しろ!
嘔吐しろ!
I really hope someone made a disgusting pun out of this once.

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

I finally finished learning all the jinmeiyou kanji (even the ones only used in proper nouns), but now I feel strange without having a couple new characters to learn every day

Does anyone have a list of kanji that aren't jinmeiyou or jouyou but which are still relatively common or at least not obsolete? I need to appease my autism

Nathan Phillips
Nathan Phillips

Have you ever been a target of gaijin hunters?

Henry Bennett
Henry Bennett

Start learning Chinese

It's the only way

Gavin Thompson
Gavin Thompson

Skipped the numbers and counters chapter in TaeKim. That is way too much.. I'll probably pick it up with context with time

Jack Wood
Jack Wood

Post your Kanjigrid

Logan Cook
Logan Cook

Don't cut corners on the basics, sooner or later the grind will catch up to you

Mason Peterson
Mason Peterson

I'll probably pick it up with context with time

If only

I've been studying for 4 years and numbers still make me wanna kill myself whenever I come across them

Benjamin Young
Benjamin Young

I don't have one
I've got around 2/3rds of core 10k finished and have 3.2k kanji notes/cards that I inputted myself

Isaiah Perry
Isaiah Perry

There's no point in learning chinese because as an anglophone I'll never be able to speak it intelligibly without literal decades of oral practice

Ian Jenkins
Ian Jenkins

I have these hyougai kanji in my deck according to my kanji stats, enjoy.
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Ian Allen
Ian Allen

Does anyone else have any stupid mistakes that they started making early on and became a habit, which you still sometimes make today even though you consider yourself intermediate or experienced?

I sometimes mispronounce 全部 as ぜんぶん because I used to think it was written 全分 for some reason. And I still confuse the meanings of 大体 and 大抵 all the time.

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

When I'm tried and about to go to sleep but still want to read a bit I can make some amazing mistakes, like failing to recognize 今日 or 明日.

Henry Murphy
Henry Murphy

Yeah I fuck up ultra beginner level vocab far more often than I'd like to admit, pretty much only in anki though, it seems like the easier the word is the more likely it is to trip me up

Carson Gray
Carson Gray

昨日 and 明日 are pretty bad for me

Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

どこでいんかんをもらえるのかしら?

Adrian Murphy
Adrian Murphy

Also if somebody's just starting out, I'd suggest AGAINST reading what they truly wanted to read anyway, because they would be spoiling themselves while not even enjoying it to the fullest. Get a bunch of throwaway/next-on-the-list materials instead

neck yourself you insufferable retard redditor

Julian Cox
Julian Cox

Reading something good as a complete beginner is a waste, though. At least save it for the third or fourth VN/novel/manga you read.

Grayson Bennett
Grayson Bennett

What's so hard about numbers?

Jack Lee
Jack Lee

sup komeiji

Robert Long
Robert Long

kys dead you braindead fuckin idiot dumbo dickweed

im coming to your house to lop your head off with this new machete i bought for giving beginners cock shit advice chucklefuck

Julian Gray
Julian Gray

Did you just escape from /b/, user?

Jason Taylor
Jason Taylor

My Japanese is definitely better than yours, nerd and I can tell you this is shit tier advice that needs to stay on reddit

Elijah Kelly
Elijah Kelly

I don't have an argument so I'll call him a redditor, that'll show him!

Kevin Watson
Kevin Watson

You seem very familiar with the advice usually given on reddit, maybe you should go back there ;)

Xavier Anderson
Xavier Anderson

Nah you're wrong.

Robert Stewart
Robert Stewart

1. Read material of your choice that is not impossibly hard for you to read

2. Mine vocab from it (or don't but you'll learn slower)

3. Become familiar with the vocab the author likes to use

4. Read at a faster speed and improve

Now kill yourself

you kill yourself too

Tyler Hall
Tyler Hall

Read material of your choice that is not impossibly hard for you to read
For someone who's about to read his first non-textbook material, everything will be impossibly hard to read. That's the point. No matter what you read, you will barely understand half of it.

Luke Morris
Luke Morris

I don't have an argument so I'll interpret his as an extreme case, that'll show him!

Easton Russell
Easton Russell

Nothing extreme about it, it's merely a fact.

Jaxon Cox
Jaxon Cox

It's irrelevant to the argument

Telling anyone not to read what they want to read is pantsu on head retarded

And anyone will have the common sense not to read something clearly above their level

If I wanted to play your silly game I could come up with dumb examples like "what if the person who starts out reading has already done core10k and spent 10 years living in Japan xD"

Aaron Morris
Aaron Morris

congrats you tripped my filter

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

thats not the point he was making, you want to read it, so you will try harder to understand it

its why i gather old fucks together that want to learn computers into irc and talk with each other only through typing, it increasing their speed while lowering their fear because they want to communicate

Luke Ramirez
Luke Ramirez

Nothing is not above your level when you're starting out.
Now fuck off.

Jonathan Sanders
Jonathan Sanders

Nah I already did core30k and SRS'd every single japanese vocab before I started reading :^)

Henry Ward
Henry Ward

nobody said anything about grinding to reach a level where there are things at your level

you seem to be projecting objections hard

Nathan Wood
Nathan Wood

strawman an argument that you created yourself a few posts ago
Who are you even trying to fool?

Bentley King
Bentley King

thats not the point he was making
except it was, he literally entered the conversation for the purpose of arguing against the idea of "Don't read things you're vested in if you won't understand them well enough to make it worth reading them"

Lincoln Long
Lincoln Long

Yeah so go and read shit that you don't want to read sure it will definitely motivate beginners to keep learning

Nathaniel Peterson
Nathaniel Peterson

Also if somebody's just starting out, I'd suggest AGAINST reading what they truly wanted to read anyway, because they would be spoiling themselves while not even enjoying it to the fullest. Get a bunch of throwaway/next-on-the-list materials instead

But you can always reread it later and feel the progress you've made since then

Aaron Lee
Aaron Lee

nice false dichotomy senpai

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

I've been told not to learn kanji alone, but how do you fuckers learn vocab which includes kanji you don't know?

shit's easy to hammer in on the first and second session you see it, but frustrating to remember after a certain number of days have passed specially when said vocab has complex (for me) kanji like 歳 and 曜 which make up for super common words.

Noah Phillips
Noah Phillips

do a radicals deck

preferably one that's extremely easy and contains only mappings of symbol : concept since you can blaze through it at the same time as doing vocab

Chase Ross
Chase Ross

Just off yourselff

Fuck arguing with nerds im gonna go read shit which i am able to becausd i applied the learning method that used t be advertised here called reading things you like

Luke Johnson
Luke Johnson

repetition. mnemonics/jisho for some you have trouble with. reading.

Hudson Cook
Hudson Cook

do a radicals deck

I think that's what I've been doing. For example I know 曜 has day, turkey and snout so I made up a mnemonic and I can remember it now.

歳 however has a bunch of shit like small, spear, scissors, cliff, stop and is a little more complicated.

If there's a deck you can recommend I'll take it.

Sebastian Hughes
Sebastian Hughes

Ok I'm glad for your triumph

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

isn't that altar rather than small

Grayson Wilson
Grayson Wilson

If you already understand what you want to read then the post way up there doesn't even apply to you. I don't know what the explosion was about t b h

Sebastian Walker
Sebastian Walker

Thought so as well at first. Just do 2 or more cards whith the same Kanji and On- or Kunyomi to get used to it. I'm now over 1000 Kanji in and got used to it. At some point Kanji don't look so so confusing anymore. And the more complex ones are easier to remember because they look very different from other ones.
Radicals is also good for some ppl, you should just see what works best for you

Aiden Perez
Aiden Perez

http://www.strawpoll.me/10316066

Leo Anderson
Leo Anderson

Those are actually feathers, though.

Wyatt Lee
Wyatt Lee

Why does chiitrans parse so weirdly at times?

Thomas White
Thomas White

perfectly understand all the example sentences in taekim so far
try reading a nukige
it blows me away
D-Does it eventually get better

Jacob Martinez
Jacob Martinez

It does when you achieve fluency

Ryder Sanchez
Ryder Sanchez

いぇーい日本人みてるぅ〜?

Jason Bailey
Jason Bailey

はいこちら日本です
ご質問はなんでしょう

Andrew Young
Andrew Young

わたしわ日本

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

should've used 僕 for maximum trolling potential

Tyler Adams
Tyler Adams

僕 is too advanced for that

Chase Gonzalez
Chase Gonzalez

八角聡仁

Hmm, I wonder how this name is read

やすみあきひと

WHY_JAPANESE_PEOPLE.MP4

Landon Martinez
Landon Martinez

船頭多くして船山に登る

Man that's way better than the shitty cook version

Dominic Powell
Dominic Powell

WHY_JAPANESE_PEOPLE.MP4
あの野郎の顔、忘れようと努めたのに
WHY user

Isaac Carter
Isaac Carter

playing Touhou mojipettan clone
it won't accept きんたま as a real word

Brayden Allen
Brayden Allen

Triples GET in fast succession
僕はスーパーマン

Carson Scott
Carson Scott

スーパーヤリマンでしょう

Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson

ナイスジョーク兄貴、俺の完敗

Jace Cook
Jace Cook

今日のスレはすっっっごく遅いねえぇ

Zachary Stewart
Zachary Stewart

Translate it, weebs.

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

Those are Chinese characters, user.

Gabriel Hughes
Gabriel Hughes

What do you think Japanese uses, user?

Josiah Collins
Josiah Collins

It's pretty blurred so I can't really read much of it but I'm pretty sure that it's somewhat about pleasure and maybe coming indoors or something.

Jason Thomas
Jason Thomas

Translate THIS *grabs ちんぽ*

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

Would a chinese native actually be able to read that?

Juan Torres
Juan Torres

This isn't really related to the language, but I figure some people here can answer my question.

Americans who've ordered from Playasia, generally how long does it take to ship your order and get to you? What about Yesasia?

Xavier King
Xavier King

/a/thread/141991385#p141991385

Cooper Turner
Cooper Turner

Oh yeah, I forgot about the buyfag threads since I never use them. I'll see what they say.

Leo Sanders
Leo Sanders

Why would you use Playasia?

Nathan Flores
Nathan Flores

Because it's one of the few import places I know, and out of Yesasia and Solaris Japan it has the second cheapest prices for the game I want. Yesasia's just a bit cheaper, but I've heard that their shipping times can be really goddamn long. I've ordered from Playasia once and got what I ordered in about a week, but that was six years ago, I don't know if they've gotten worse or if that was even the norm.

Connor Myers
Connor Myers

3 different nukige reading sessions
so slow I still haven't hit a h scene yet

死にたいよ。。。

Dylan Gutierrez
Dylan Gutierrez

Hang in there. And don't be like me and break at the first h-scene and end up skipping through the rest

Joseph Adams
Joseph Adams

Weird, usually nukige H-scenes happen quite fast, compared to regular ADV/VN

Benjamin Collins
Benjamin Collins

If the context was a yield sign that read 止まれ then the only correct reading would have been とまれ, right?

Oliver Robinson
Oliver Robinson

That's right

Angel Morales
Angel Morales

ザ・ワールド was furigana to 世界, nice
I love this shit

Jackson Gray
Jackson Gray

It's good ey

Tyler Gonzalez
Tyler Gonzalez

- 合衆国の救世主 -
「Donald Trump」

Colton Sanchez
Colton Sanchez

I'm still in chapter 4 doing practice. My progress in the book has stalled a lot ever since kanji was introduced. I only progress by 2-3 pages in 2 hours everyday.

Is my progress slow for the hours I put in? What's the average rate of going through genki?

Alexander Rivera
Alexander Rivera

forgot to mention it's Genki 1

Elijah Stewart
Elijah Stewart

What's your MonoBueno /djt/?

Jeremiah Thomas
Jeremiah Thomas

You don't need to do the exercises.

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

I doubt it, considering it isn't Chinese.

Samuel King
Samuel King

あたり一面に硝煙が満ち、地面さえもがえぐれてゆく中。

In the second part of this sentence is there a も particle together with a が one? Is that possible? Or is it just a word i'm missing?

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

If kanji is bothering you, use Tae Kim or Imabi instead, then you can just hover over words with Rikaisama to see the reading and meaning.

Xavier Green
Xavier Green

What is it then? I can't see any kana, but I can definitely just about make out some kanji

John Wilson
John Wilson

re:zero

Eli Gutierrez
Eli Gutierrez

It's just kanji production reps, by the looks of it. Chinese looks very different.

Kevin Cruz
Kevin Cruz

Ah, didn't think of that, makes sense

Leo Miller
Leo Miller

criminally underrated post

Daniel Green
Daniel Green

http://okwave.jp/qa/q6175270.html
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/6175270.html

Samefag please. That joke was already done to death by 2006.

Parker Jenkins
Parker Jenkins

well i wasnt around in 2006

and neither were you

Benjamin Brooks
Benjamin Brooks

Thanks for the links.

Wyatt Carter
Wyatt Carter

It's pretty cool, but the anime seems to be doing it justice and is two cour, as well as being licensed. Weird pick as your main motivation.

Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

Well it wasn't my reason for starting at first, but now it's the only concrete thing that comes to mind.

as well as being licensed
e-elaborate

Jaxson Powell
Jaxson Powell

オーバーロード
Vol. 10 will probably get translated from jap > chinese > English before I'm good enough to read it though. There's also https://vndb.org/v9338 that I liked the look of, and even though there's a guy working on a patch he's doing all of the the other monster girl stuff first. There's really no end to good shit that never gets translated. There's that Rance game too.

Kayden Turner
Kayden Turner

I'm paying off my debts and trying hit it big with dungeon guides

Does this sound close?

Hunter Murphy
Hunter Murphy

Originally AAI2 because it wasn't being localized. Now I don't really have one except eventually to read difficult meme VNs like Muramasa.

Austin Murphy
Austin Murphy

勇者が死ねないなら、
ギンは勇者じゃない。

Connor Phillips
Connor Phillips

PERFECT.

Jace Torres
Jace Torres

what vn?

Lincoln Cook
Lincoln Cook

Moon: Remix RPG Adventure.

Though at this point I'm just learning Japanese just for learning Japanese, not really motivated by something other than itself.

I'd also like to read the Monogatari Series but I know that will take me like 10 fucking years so it's just a faraway wish.

What's the deal with Monobeno anyways? Why is it so hyped here?

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

攻略 also means capturing/conquering a dungeon (ie. dungeon running), strategy guide/ game walkthrough is kind of a secondary meaning.

Jason Richardson
Jason Richardson

I think it's more like "I'll pay off my debts by doing dungeons".

Gavin Carter
Gavin Carter

ちち は おみやげ に おかし を かって きた

Why is に used in this sentence instead of で? Sorry if my question is dumb.

Brayden Kelly
Brayden Kelly

reading 今日 as konjitsu at 2 in the morning.

Just kill me.

Jaxon Walker
Jaxon Walker

that's not wrong though

Grayson King
Grayson King

物語シリーズ。
It's one of my long-term goals to be able to read the entire series in Japanese.

Evan Morales
Evan Morales

Please, there is no need for projection.

Lucas Sanchez
Lucas Sanchez

に means "as" here. As a souvenir. Why do you think で should be there.

Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

I'd also like to read the Monogatari Series but I know that will take me like 10 fucking years so it's just a faraway wish.
What the hell, why would you think that? I've read the first 3 comfortably after 2 years (not NEET and obviously used Kanjitomo a few times but it's really not that hard). Should probably start reading again but I really didn't like how the third one ended

Owen Johnson
Owen Johnson

She will be mine someday, and I will enjoy her suffering.

Lucas Ward
Lucas Ward

My mature % just keeps going down and down. I don't understand how you guys can get like 95% on mature cards after not seeing them in forever and having hundreds of other cards mixed in since then.

Connor Cook
Connor Cook

I just didn't know に means as. Sometimes it is a really tricky particle. I was taught it meant goal of movement and used with time. So as would be the goal of movement?

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

Is a に of purpose

Sebastian Bennett
Sebastian Bennett

Honestly, just don't worry too much about it. Read a lot and you will get a feel for when to use which.

Trying to memorize lists of usages in English won't help you.

Henry Edwards
Henry Edwards

Really? Well, I guess I can look forward to that too now. It's just everyone saying that all the kanji play and puns and complex grammar and shit, it's also marked as "harder than steel" in the reading list so idk.

I've already watched the anime (or am watching it considering it's still being adapted), I just want the full experience.

Michael Kelly
Michael Kelly

Isn't this like "And then you set it aside...?" I'm not sure about that, but it's the only thing I can think of. The localizers wrote "And then you started dancing... Wait, what? Why were you dancing?" I can't see anyway to get "dancing" out of that, so I assume it was NoA being NoA.

Link for context, it shows up a few moments after the point where I linked it to.

https://youtu.be/xpdVt35EEwg?list=PLQgFnRL210iD6jc4OD3VnJV8AYb6Fu5JJ&t=464

Matthew Green
Matthew Green

に has a bunch of usages. You'll pick them up over time.

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

Your young card % is shit too. I get the feeling you're adding too many new cards.

Eli Richardson
Eli Richardson

20 a day

Ethan Parker
Ethan Parker

http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/それは置いといて
is a expression, but I can't help more than that unfortunately

Jose Parker
Jose Parker

今日もうんこしたズボンと真っ白なtshirtでdjtの王座の上にボクは座っている

Jordan Cox
Jordan Cox

Hmm, seems to be like "Setting that (subject) aside..."

Nicholas Flores
Nicholas Flores

FISH OIL
I
S
H

O
I
L

Landon Long
Landon Long

P L A C E B O
L
A
C
E
B
O

Connor Foster
Connor Foster

So it's like "Setting that aside... Ah, you set it aside..."?

Like bad word play

Matthew Rogers
Matthew Rogers

DHA is required for maintenance of normal brain function in adults. The inclusion of plentiful DHA in the diet improves learning ability, whereas deficiencies of DHA are associated with deficits in learning.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479465

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

what does this mean

Chase Brooks
Chase Brooks

memery

Alexander Barnes
Alexander Barnes

He takes a sugar pill and is pretending to have gotten superpowers from it.

Austin Price
Austin Price

i eat fish a few times a week and i dont do flash cards but i have a big dick and can do long division with ur waifu/3d madre

Jacob Peterson
Jacob Peterson

To be fair placebos have pretty powerful effects

David Reed
David Reed

What does that have to do with me doing 20 new cards a day?

Jordan Scott
Jordan Scott

呟く
咳く

For fuck sake I've been thinking everyone's been coughing everything this whole time

Ethan Miller
Ethan Miller

Literally every class you take for the first year/year and a half of Japanese will call te-form the "command" form.
I'm learning Japanese at my uni and you are completely wrong.

Anthony Evans
Anthony Evans

The most interesting part about placebo is that its effect can still apply even if you know it's placebo.

I'm pretty sure that way of thinking has given me super powers.

Luis Ortiz
Luis Ortiz

日本語をわかったりわからなかったりするなどとか

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson

The kanji play and puns are relatively easy to understand, all the cultural references are another thing altogether, search machines are your friends here. I don't know what they mean with complex grammar because I can't remember anything that I couldn't understand. I've read them a longer time ago though so I don't remember them well.
Regardless you sure as hell won't need 10 years. It'll take you quite a few years, if you want to read it physical/without dictionary though.

Keep in mind that there are a lot people exaggerating a lot stuff for various reasons. Same with your Monobeno question, it's a great game but I'm pretty sure the main reason why it gets brought up frequently here is it being untranslated, so they have something to boast about (there's always that one infamous untranslated work that gets praised to heaven and when you get around to finally read/play it, it's not really that good) and the smug of course.

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

咳く
Never even seen this used as a verb, the other one is a million times more common.

Daniel Lewis
Daniel Lewis

Well I've personally seen the kanji 咳 a lot more than 呟, つぶやく tends to always be written in kana

Robert Kelly
Robert Kelly

咳 is certainly used a lot, but rarely as a verb like 咳く.

Jack Watson
Jack Watson

おはようおにいちゃん

ねむたいよ

Joseph Adams
Joseph Adams

I was exaggerating with 10 years but, realistically I was expecting at least 5.

Samuel Foster
Samuel Foster

says will answer any questions
doesn't answer any questions

Lucas Ward
Lucas Ward

Damn forgot about that

I'll never know how much he's hated by the japs

It did take 20 minutes for him to get a reply he probs got depressed and ran off

Robert Diaz
Robert Diaz

おはようございます
俺も眠たいよ
昨夜エロゲ読んだから
最高でした

Justin Green
Justin Green

Lincoln Sullivan
Lincoln Sullivan

No keywords on rikaikun

How mysterious and spooky

Isaiah Ramirez
Isaiah Ramirez

rikaikun
There's your problem.

Justin Rogers
Justin Rogers

TL: rain article dragon

Kisama, rain article dragon ka?

Chase Howard
Chase Howard


Just fuck my shit up, senpai

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

33 strokes but not hard to remember, it's funny

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

This one is ever worse. The radicals are the same, but the rendering is complete shit.

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

I've gotten into a really bad habit of mining every word I see that I haven't already mined, even if it's obvious what it means from the kanji and has a predictable reading

My unseen card amount is too fucking high but the hoarder inside me can't stop adding every god damn word I see

Easton Sullivan
Easton Sullivan

If the words are all obvious you should be able to do loads of new cards without any difficulty and catch up.

Leo Thomas
Leo Thomas

Do you have some kind of halting condition or are you just going keep adding word until you've added the entire lexicon

Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

tfw core starts teaching you words you've never seen used before in english

Jackson Butler
Jackson Butler

I don't do many new cards a day though to keep my review time low, so having easy cards just takes up precious spaces

Nope pretty much if I haven't already mined it I'll mine it

Colton Jackson
Colton Jackson

Every non ESL should know obstetrics and vernal equinox

Ian Brown
Ian Brown

Is there any quick way to isolate a subset from an anki deck?

For example if I only want a list of certain words from the deck.

Hudson James
Hudson James

When words get to this level of JUST it's better to just write/type the kana right

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

What do you call Naruto gay porn?

芸術

Connor Roberts
Connor Roberts

Is it bad that I've been reading for probably close to 3 years and I'm only now seeing this word that represents such a simple thing

Ethan Walker
Ethan Walker

垣 and 壁 are more common.

Dylan Perez
Dylan Perez

Yeah I've seen both of those countless times

I guess its the Japanese language's fault for having a million words for everything

Adam Perez
Adam Perez


why?

Andrew Rodriguez
Andrew Rodriguez

Neon genesis is mine

Bentley Watson
Bentley Watson

Pupa

Brayden Long
Brayden Long

Pre-emptive おそっ

Colton Ward
Colton Ward

I keep reading 交替 as こうさん and I have no idea why.

Sci;Adv games and 魔法使いの夜.
I'm reading Chaos;child right now so I think I'm pretty close.

Samuel Peterson
Samuel Peterson

Because of 賛成 presumably

Evan Davis
Evan Davis

Holy shit, that's it, I feel so retarded now.
Thanks, user, hopefully I won't misread it anymore.

Austin Nguyen
Austin Nguyen

The Vita port for 夜ないの国

Charles Hernandez
Charles Hernandez

夜のない国*

Justin Cooper
Justin Cooper

It's too late. The exposure to broken grammar has already left a permanent mark on the neural pathways that govern my understanding of Japanese. You fucked me, user.

Wyatt Evans
Wyatt Evans

The vita version is terrible, man, don't do it.

Mason Scott
Mason Scott

all this effort for this shit game

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

damn is this what happens when you don't study kanji

Justin Lewis
Justin Lewis

I don't have nor want a PS4, though

I'm a yurifag, it isn't like I have any alternative

Samuel Green
Samuel Green

The same can happen if you do.

Ryder Cooper
Ryder Cooper

Hope you enjoy playing a fucking action RPG in 10 fps, then. I had to drop it until I have money for the PS4 version.

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