Can you fully appreciate anime without understanding Japanese?

Jordan Myers
Jordan Myers

Can you fully appreciate anime without understanding Japanese?

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Michael Collins
Michael Collins

is this going to be a /co/ tier dubfag thread?

Jason Price
Jason Price

you just need to understand the culture, not the language

Jace Scott
Jace Scott

Can you fully appreciate anything without being omnipotent?

Ayden Hernandez
Ayden Hernandez

No

Now start learning japanese

Wyatt Rogers
Wyatt Rogers

he thinks there are people who actually understands Japanese
it's a fictional meme language from a fictional country
do you understand now?
JAPAN IS NOT REAL

Isaiah Reed
Isaiah Reed

You are no doubt going to miss things when you are not born and raised in japan.

Asher Davis
Asher Davis

You'd have to unambiguously define what it means to "fully appreciate" something in order to answer that question.

The question itself seems to imply an objectivity of experience in art/media that doesn't exist.

Tyler Phillips
Tyler Phillips

Can you fully appreciate loli without fucking a child?

Hudson Parker
Hudson Parker

Well obviously you're going to miss language based puns, but the bigger difference is going to be cultural.

England and the USA speak the same language, and there's a huge difference between TV shows that each country creates.

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

In all seriousness, no.

Nolan Smith
Nolan Smith

Can you fully appreciate analogies without attending English Class?

Zachary Barnes
Zachary Barnes

What if I become blood brothers with a Japanese man while training as a samurai?

Carter Ramirez
Carter Ramirez

Watching subbed is a bit like having a filter. So "fully", no.
Not that anyone can gauge how close to "fully" you can actually get with subs. If your Japanese isn't really good you might actually be losing out on watching your anime unsubbed.

That said Japanese and English are really, really incompatible. Learning Japanese increased my enjoyment of anime a lot.

Christian Ortiz
Christian Ortiz

Mostly but you miss out on some of the side materials.

David Mitchell
David Mitchell

How do you fully appreciate something? There are god damn shows here in burgerland that I don't even know how to 'fully appreciate'.

Ayden White
Ayden White

Yeah, and on those puns too. They have so many pun jokes since their language allows them to.

Aiden Lopez
Aiden Lopez

Can you fully appreciate anal without a reach-around?

Julian Foster
Julian Foster

american "entertainment"
the only entertaining thing about american entertainment is the entertained

Juan Butler
Juan Butler

Can you fully appreciate you're waifu without eating her poop?

Ethan Nelson
Ethan Nelson

What he said, how do you fully appreciate anything? Is such a thing even possible? If so how would you quantify it?

Your question is meaningless.

Samuel Wilson
Samuel Wilson

It depends on the series.

Joseph Johnson
Joseph Johnson

WHITO PIGGU

GO HOMU

Carson Cox
Carson Cox

Only hentais.

Christian Wilson
Christian Wilson

No

Alexander Cruz
Alexander Cruz

You can't fully understand the culture if you're only exposed to it in translation

Hunter Murphy
Hunter Murphy

The more you watch, the more you'll enjoy it because you'll start to get a feel for the culture it's trying to represent.

but the p-puns!
Puns are shit no matter what langauge

Robert Murphy
Robert Murphy

KISAMA

ARE YOU AN EOP OR MULTILINGUAL?

Daniel Jackson
Daniel Jackson

That's why it's called shit taste

Kayden Jones
Kayden Jones

Can you fully appreciate clever puns without being a filthy fucking spic?

Lincoln Edwards
Lincoln Edwards

Both.

Brayden Campbell
Brayden Campbell

So how long before someone who took a Japanese major appears and tells everyone how you can only appreciate K-ON if you learn hiragana first. Or Daiz appears and starts talking about the NATURE of TRANSLATION.

Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

You can understand it through the lens of English, just like the Japanese understand it through the lens of Japanese.

Culture isn't like math. It doesn't remove ambiguities, it thrives on them. All culture is always going to be coloured by the context, experience and other characteristics of the observer.

Ryan Powell
Ryan Powell

When Sup Forums gets moonrune captchas.

Aiden Gomez
Aiden Gomez

Of course not.
But idiots on Sup Forums will still tell you you're not experiencing anime correctly when you watch a stream while they watch meme filled subs from Commie and Horriblesubs.

Hunter Butler
Hunter Butler

If you can understand an anime perfectly with the best english subs, then that anime has garbage writing. This is why Nichijou is best

Liam Davis
Liam Davis

and tells everyone how you can only appreciate K-ON if you learn hiragana first
What?

Matthew Anderson
Matthew Anderson

Daiz

Don't summon the fucker. I wish he stuck to typesetting instead of editing. UTW would have been much better off.

Matthew Bell
Matthew Bell

Understanding it through double lenses will not give you the same picture the natives have. You're limited to what has been translated and the process of translation distorts and obscures.

Jonathan Powell
Jonathan Powell

horriblesubs
meme subs

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

daiz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuWmfiR2aqE

Aaron Clark
Aaron Clark

If your exposure to Japanese culture is through English translated cartoons and comics then you are probably nowhere near as knowledgeable about the culture then you think you are.

Hell someone who spends a week in Japan knowing not a lick of Japanese and having never seen an anime or manga before would probably know more about Japanese culture then you at that point.

Chase Edwards
Chase Edwards

I fucking want this. Not for "filtering out" fags, but because the current captcha(v1 or not) are disgusting.

Joshua Garcia
Joshua Garcia

Yes. Horriblesubs are meme subs.

Eli Myers
Eli Myers

Their subs aren't memes though.

Evan Hill
Evan Hill

rekt hard

Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall

needs to understand language to appreciate anime
You know, even Japanese don't fully appreciate it.

Jonathan Miller
Jonathan Miller

NOBODY FULLY APPRECIATES ANYTHING

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

understanding the same thing ten times since they use the same tropes over and over again

gee i wonder if its even possible

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

do you fully appreciate it?

Cameron Gutierrez
Cameron Gutierrez

I HATE IT

Grayson Martin
Grayson Martin

As a person who took a Japanese major, I suggest that you don't learn that shit. Only N4 and I want to nuke the fuck out of them (again) already

Jacob Baker
Jacob Baker

This is really a rather ignorant statement.

It is all dependent on what you are watching. To give you an example closer to home. You need little to no understanding of American/Western culture to understand a show like "Ed, Edd, and Eddy". If however you were to watch something like Southpark or the Simpsons (especially later seasons) without an understanding of western/American culture, most of the material would go straight over your head. your like or dislike for any and all of these shows doesn't affect the point I am making

Not to mention that your "one week in japan" example, even as a hyperbole, is retarded. That person isn't going to understand anything, he might see a bunch of "different shit", but he isn't going to understand it.

You are also completely ignoring the fact that a lot of people who like anime have a general interest in Japan and will read up on its culture, history etc. to varying degrees. I have yet to meet a person who watches anime but has 0 interest in anything else related to Japan.

The truly ignorant are the people who revere Japanese culture as superior, plant it on a pedestal and have a bad case of "own culture" hate. The "1000 times folded steel katana best sword in the world" crowd.

Luke Green
Luke Green

HE HATES IT

Cooper Brooks
Cooper Brooks

You had Japanese as your major and only made it up to N4

What the fuck, man.

Lucas Richardson
Lucas Richardson

N3 after teaching myself at home for a year. Boy am I glad I didn't do a Japanese major.

Grayson Wilson
Grayson Wilson

I dont care about japanese culture
I dont care if I dont understand something due to shitty subs

Anime and manga is just one form of entertainment among many.

There are better things for me to spend my time on... Like ai[/spoierl]

Benjamin Lewis
Benjamin Lewis

You can't learn languages in schools, they slow you down and then kill any enthusiasm you have.

N4 is about par for the course for a Jap major

Austin Hernandez
Austin Hernandez

Oops, dumb copy paste mistake. I meant Japanese course, as third language. Forgot to edit that before hitting enter

Joshua Reyes
Joshua Reyes

Why is Nipponese entertainment so superior to anything from the West though? Even their Live Actions are better than our TV series.

It's a shame most of the good Japanese stuff goes untranslated or, well, just poorly translated. That's why I've been studying Japanese the whole last year.

Jaxon Jenkins
Jaxon Jenkins

he thinks stream sites use superior translators
You are probably watching shitty quality streams with HS or Commie subs. Unless you meant to say you are streaming from "official" streaming sites, in which case your money has my condolences.

Owen Bennett
Owen Bennett

That's pretty dumb, I have no clue how you can claim to know nothing about Japanese culture from watching anime unless you wipe your mind after every anime you watch, barely watch anything, or you're just plain retarded.
Surely you've learned what people say before eating a meal, or when school starts and ends in Japan at the VERY least, right? You realize that's learning about a culture right? Depending on what you watch you should also have a at least surface level knowledge on Japanese mythology and history as well from anime as well.

Love?
AI?

Jayden Davis
Jayden Davis

Why is Nipponese entertainment so superior to anything from the West though? Even their Live Actions are better than our TV series.

Its not, you fucking shit taste weeb

Adrian Murphy
Adrian Murphy

We'd always find a way.

Ryder Jones
Ryder Jones

Thanks to watching anime for a while (a long fucking while) I can vaguely understand what the japanese tourists in my country are talking about.

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

I know some people who major in Japanese and some of them took (and passed) N2 last year.
They also spent 1 year in Japan though, so maybe you're right.

I'm relieved.

Isaiah Evans
Isaiah Evans

Ah fuck, i forgot that the N-grade started at 5 and went to 1, not the other way round.

N2 is par for the course of a Jap major is what I meant to say, sorry.

Oliver Howard
Oliver Howard

Yes because your ears won't pick up how cartooney or fake the VAs are. You should know about their culture however.

Parker Rivera
Parker Rivera

It is of course distracting to look at subs and not everything on the screen, so that's bad, but I stand my my point.

Jaxon Miller
Jaxon Miller

Japanese live action acting is one of the most cringe worthy things on TV.
Every time I see it it's like they are trying to make goofy anime faces, but in love action it looks plain retarded.

Chase Lee
Chase Lee

What others said. Their literature, films and cartoons are a register of their culture. If you can't get enough second hand knowledge by that leisure exposure and reading more about topics that catch you attention you are fucking hopeless.

Visiting a place means shit if you don't have a open mind or if you can't visit the right places. At that point you won't really get shit about their culture, just reaffirm some stereotypes because you are filtering it trough a very limited perspective. You'll learn about their routine at best.

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

I was on the train once and a Japanese lady fell and when I helped her up she said daijoubu.

Is it really so bad for a voice in a cartoon to sound cartooney?
Besides Japanese people make do quite well with it, I don't really see any Japs complaining about their voices.

Samuel Lewis
Samuel Lewis

I wouldn't go that far. They have some good films, but their tv output isn't really great for most part.

Oliver Cooper
Oliver Cooper

So much this. I will never understand why people hand out oodles of cash to learn a language. Unless the course you are doing is a culture/history study of a particular nation it really isn't worth it. Especially the above average internet "savvy" crowd that frequents Sup Forums. If you can find Sup Forums, you should have no problem being able to find otherwise expensive learning materials for "free".

For instance Assimil French is easy to come by from various sources and you will be able to understand and speak the language within a year with that. Will you be native at that point? Probably not, but is that really needed?

Same goes for Japanese, loads of courses to be found online (also from Assimil btw) that allow you to learn it at home.

Landon Rogers
Landon Rogers

No one can "fully" appreciate anything, we don't have perfect eyes to see all the colors. We don't have the perfect ears to hear all the discreet noises. We don't have a perfect brain to discern and enjoy anything. This is just 3 parts of our body too. If you include hardware limitations, the perfection would not be seen for lightyears ahead. With hardware not showing full colors, with hardware not processing perfect upscales, with hardware not processing perfect sound, quality, etc

Its impossible to fully appreciate anything. The best we can do is what we can make of it. With so many different variables in between a perfect anime fulfilment and yourself, the difference is negligible between reading subs and understanding native.

Alexander Morgan
Alexander Morgan

fully
No. Simple as that.

Wyatt Cox
Wyatt Cox

I watched Joshiraku and dropped it because most of the humor was clearly being lost in the translation and in my ignorance. Then I learned Japanese and rewatched Joshiraku only to drop it again because most of the humor was clearly being lost in my ignorance.

Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

N2 is shit. You literally can't read a common LN aimed at middle schoolers unassisted of N2 is the best you can do.

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

Isn't this grounded in the way traditional nip theater works, which is all about exaggeration?

Aiden Lewis
Aiden Lewis

*if N2 is the best you can do.

Andrew Diaz
Andrew Diaz

It's grounded in them not hiring based on acting talent

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

You had a hard te understanding the jokes in Joshiraku? I don't remember anything too obscure. Maybe it's because I can't get enough of Peter Barakan's sweet voice.

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

Why do you spout factually wrong statements? This is an honest question. Why do you do it? No matter what way I look at it, I don't see what you stand to gain from it. Are the (you)'s really that valuable?

Julian Rogers
Julian Rogers

Gotta use them notes man.
notredrevie(dot)ws/2012/07/09/joshiraku-01-notes-and-the-like/

Samuel Russell
Samuel Russell

You don't need dubs or subs to fap to them.

Jeremiah Myers
Jeremiah Myers

N2 is second highest not second lowest user, maybe you're confused. You need to know upwards of 5000 kanji to pass your N2 and it takes 3-5 years of self learning, so I hear.

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

It's true though. A person with just N2 will get stuck on the grammar and the vocabulary countless times just to read a simple LN. He'll make it through, but so would an N5 given enough time and patience. N2 is pretty shitty by all standards.

Logan Cruz
Logan Cruz

You need to know upwards of 5000 kanji to pass your N2

Jose Cooper
Jose Cooper

You could have just said "yes, the (you)'s are really that important to me", it would have oiled down to the same thing.

Brayden Turner
Brayden Turner

Why is Nipponese entertainment so superior to anything from the West though?
Because the Nipponese are gods at human drama, to the point that I think the west has a huge lack of emotions and empathy.

Gabriel Martin
Gabriel Martin

You need to know upwards of 5000 kanji to pass your N2
is this bait?

Jordan Campbell
Jordan Campbell

Might be, but that doesn't make it look less retarded.
Any attempt at seriousness gets thrown out the Window, and the comedy only feels forced.

Nicholas Clark
Nicholas Clark

Sorry user, 2000, my mistake.

Ethan Garcia
Ethan Garcia

user, if you can't even get N1 there's absolutely no way you'll be reading anything without constantly consulting dictionaries or something equivalent. It's just a fact. You can deny it if you want, but the numbers don't lie. You can read, but you can't read unassisted. If you could, N2 would be a breeze.

Joshua Reyes
Joshua Reyes

Source? Your ass?

Parker Hughes
Parker Hughes

Are you trolling with this because the mod is deleting more genuine attempts at trolling?

I might agree with you if you were talking about actual novels, but LN's? That's like saying an ESL couldn't read Goosebumps without consulting a dictionary every other sentence.

Christopher Butler
Christopher Butler

Japan will always be the genki retard while the west is a deadpan kuu. Pick your poison.

Sebastian Murphy
Sebastian Murphy

This.
I tell people to self-learning instead of taking shitty slow-paced classes and doing the bare minimum work each day when taking classes. The insist that the class will somehow motivate them to work on their own, but most people just give up or lose motivation after learning in such a tedious way.

Nolan Howard
Nolan Howard

I know someone who browses here who claims to know nothing about the culture or language even after watching around 100 anime and seasonal shit for 2 years, and gets mad when I assume he does. People can be pretty close-minded.

Jason Ross
Jason Ross

Just compare the number of words required for N2 and the average number of different words in some random LN. I don't remember the numbers by head, but it's something like a 1:4 proportion.

I'm being dead serious. JLPT does not test for fluency of any sort, only basic competency. Can you read Japanese and do you have an N2 or higher degree?

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

You can't do it with N1 either. They're bad measurements for how well you can enjoy content. It's just a gaijin Japanese test that Japanese people generally don't even know about. I'll never take that shit in my life.

Ethan Cruz
Ethan Cruz

user you can watch for 6 years and not know shit. I know one casualfag who doesn't know what a tsundere is.

Connor Turner
Connor Turner

ITT weebs who don't know Japanese and have never been to Japan asserting they are even remotely fluent about Japanese culture

Landon Hernandez
Landon Hernandez

Anyone who follows idolshit or variety shows can tell you that Japanese spoken by average people sounds exactly that, average. Compared to that, seiyuu are lightyears ahead in pronounciation and intonation.
Even most anons who watched Nazo no Kanojo X could tell that Urabe sounded different from usual seiyuu, though ironically many people liked her "exoticness" while in reality she had the most generic 3DPD voice ever.

Also, no fucking body complains about the same thing in western cartoons.
this guy says D'OH! way too much
this baby talks like an adult
this hooded boy doesn't speak properly

Eli Powell
Eli Powell

Told

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

this hooded boy doesn't speak properly
What's this one?

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

South Park dumbass. Dont even watch the shit and I know that.

Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

you bastard?

Hunter Cook
Hunter Cook

That can easily happen if all he watches is Commie.

Landon Reed
Landon Reed

I taught myself Japanese and worked in Japan for 5 years. I never bothered with JLPT, the only circumstance I would have taken it is if my employer had insisted on it.

That being said I still can't believe N2 level isn't enough to read a shitty LN. LN's are piss easy, you can even get them with furigana allowing for sloppy kanji knowledge.

Put it this way, if N2 isn't enough to read a shitty LN, what IS it good for?

Connor Mitchell
Connor Mitchell

The JLPT is based solely on a specific set of Grammar and Vocabulary. A lot of this doesn't have a large overlap with what you'll read in LNs or VNs, and you can "know" all the N2 or even N1 grammar, but not comprehend the type of slang and vocab used in an LN. If a VN is anything to go by, you're going to need over 10,000 words to know everything, but a good 1500-2000 of the words will put you at a 90% comprehension rate. However, only a few hundred of the most common words in an LN or a VN will be N-level vocabulary, because the vocabulary is more based on newspaper vocab and other generalized metrics that aren't going to pertain to an LN or VN.

The JLPT is just a really arbitrary way of seeing how good you are, because it doesn't account for being able to understand new words or get into that much slang or double meanings. You have to learn Grammar and Vocabulary that's specifically from a list, and thus you will know what will be tested. It's not an organic piece of fiction with dialogue and narration that you have to understand. It's just an arbitrary test with arbitrary words.

That being said, you could ignore the N-level completely, learn on your own, and learn a lot of vocab and grammar from reading content. And then if you manage to pass the N-level exams just by getting vocab and grammar from content you're enjoying, without making a conscious effort of doing N-level prep, then maaaaaaaybe you can understand an LN.

The only metric for whether or not you can read an LN is if you can actually read it.

Zachary Davis
Zachary Davis

Well shit, I haven't watched South Park in like 3 years now.

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

Even their Live Actions are better than our TV series.

This is where i stopped reading.

Japs live actions are so fucking garbage even the fucking gooks put put better drama.

Jose Ward
Jose Ward

what IS it good for?
Nothing in my opinion. Anything short of N1 is just a document proving your Japanese is still bellow functional levels.

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

ITT
The "japanese so hard" meme.

I swear it is because this site is frequented mostly by Americans that this meme is so persistent. People who haven't mastered their own language, history or geography, let alone entertain the thought of doing so for those of another country.

Asher Thompson
Asher Thompson

142197354
I'm not falling for this bait

Carter Long
Carter Long

@142197354
thought you were going to get some (you)'s didn't you?

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

I watched over a thousand hours of anime senpai, get on my level.

Charles Price
Charles Price

Now this is retarded. To begin with, LNs are a kind of novel, and their authors are referred to as novelists in Japanese. And the notion that all LNs are intended for middle and high schoolers is about a decade out-of-date. There are plenty of contemporary series that are very much so intended for adults; there are even R-18 LNs.
And, vitally, even with series that are intended for students, the Japanese concept of reading level rarely takes grammar into account. As long as a work uses low-level kanji or had furigana, it's considered to be at a student reading level, regardless of how complex the subject matter or colloquial the grammar.

In short, for someone learning Japanese and looking for an easy title, I would recommend a traditional novel like Norwegian Wood over most LNs any day.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

horriblesubs

Lincoln White
Lincoln White

So how does the user in this thread do a Japanese major and only obtain N4. You make it sound like you would have to be mentally challenged to excuse that.
In fact, you make it sound like I could obtain N4 within a month by simply cramming the required knowledge and ignoring everything else. I.e. only learning the vocab and grammar that will be tested for N4 consisting of N words and grammar XYZ.

Chase Young
Chase Young

I think you're missing the biggest point being that if someone learns Japanese to read LNs then even if they are following the JLPT when they go to read them (which they will try long before they are N2) then they will get a sense of the differences there and learn what they need to as they go.
Nobody is going to get their N1 before trying to read a single Japanese book and exposing themselves to real Japanese in different contexts (reading, listening etc).
Anyone who watches anime and learns picks up words from that before they learn them in their studies, it would be unheard of not to have any real expose to Japanese while learning it, even through the JLPT list.

Jeremiah Mitchell
Jeremiah Mitchell

Japanese major
There's his problem. You are assuming that just because he has a major he actually had to learn a lot of Japanese.

In fact, you make it sound like I could obtain N4 within a month by simply cramming the required knowledge and ignoring everything else
I would completely agree with that statement indeed. In fact, I would go as far as conjecturing that, with enough autism, N3 is pretty feasible in a month.

Kayden Anderson
Kayden Anderson

You are a store that sells embarrassment.

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

I feel no. As I learn Japanese I discover many quirks of the Japanese language that can't really be conveyed well into English, like the politeness levels of a sentence, or how certain ways to word sentences are considered more feminine or masculine (no, that shit is not limited to the choice 1st person pronouns).

The one anime I can immediately think of is Hyouka. That show made heavy use of Kanji imagery that's kinda hard to translate because it visually blends into scenes.

Thomas Edwards
Thomas Edwards

180000 years?

Nathaniel Butler
Nathaniel Butler

恥ずかしがり屋はそういう意味じゃないよ

Christopher Nelson
Christopher Nelson

Can you fully appreciate anime without understanding Japanese?
Of course, you can. After all, the best animes are dubbed. It's the shit that can't even sell 10000 copies in its own country that stays obscure.

Caleb Cooper
Caleb Cooper

The real problem is that 90% of this board couldn't read a "high level" English book. The notion that these people could read even the most elementary moonrune book is the actual retarded aspect.

I tried to get a friend of mine to read an English translation of Umberto Echo's The Name of the Rose. He dropped it not even 50 pages in lamenting the "old fashioned difficult language" being used, this guy is 24. That sort of person is never going to master another language. It isn't even because of his inability to understand "complicated" English, it has more to do with his unwillingness to even attempt to learn it.

Camden Edwards
Camden Edwards

Yeah, no. Stop being a fucking retard.

Jack Jenkins
Jack Jenkins

why does most "good art" of "anime" done by gaijin near always have a hint of western style that can make it 3dpd levels of disgusting?

Jaxon Robinson
Jaxon Robinson

An increase of 180,000 foreign students this year.

Jacob Ramirez
Jacob Ramirez

Your replies are always so enlightening. I find myself at a loss for words.

Cooper Cooper
Cooper Cooper

No, but you aren't missing out on that much.

Cooper Parker
Cooper Parker

No no, he has watched 180 000 years of anime, I'm sure of this translation.

Owen Jones
Owen Jones

fucking ouiabou

Grayson Morris
Grayson Morris

Liar. You found 14 of them just now.

Samuel Watson
Samuel Watson

"good art" of "anime" done by gaijin
What the hell are you talking about?

Lincoln King
Lincoln King

You got me again.

やれやれだぜ

Landon King
Landon King

more than 180000 international students in one year

Levi Morales
Levi Morales

oh that should be an increase of

Jose Wilson
Jose Wilson

like the politeness levels of a sentence
This is a pretty big thing. I once watched a series in which different people were addressing the same person with varying levels of formality. Then one ep a character comes in and breaks this etiquette and talks to her in the most street way possible.

All this went over my head the first time I watched it, and I just assumed everyone in the show was equal to each other and that they also considered themselves equal to each other. It was only after I learned some basic Japanese and rewatched the show that the nuances in the different relationships became clear and with that a subtly but distinct hierarchy in the group of characters.

Jace Williams
Jace Williams

random crap that gets highly viewed on a booru with ratings at times

Grayson Campbell
Grayson Campbell

Nah, he's a tourist from the anime world, which he has lived in for 180,000 years. Note his backpack containing the fourth dimension and the sign of a true anime resident, the anime girl t-shirt.

Josiah Young
Josiah Young

Oh, you mean fanart. The "anime by gaijin" bit threw me off.

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

They're interviewing that anime girl about the giant gaijin she's carrying on her back.
Learn to read moon, faggots

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

Can you fully appreciate a shitposting thread without getting dubs?

Ryder Johnson
Ryder Johnson

i wonder if the original panel literally used that

Aiden Sanders
Aiden Sanders

can the japanese even?

Andrew Rogers
Andrew Rogers

Anything short of N1 is just a document proving your Japanese is still bellow functional levels.

N1 holder here. Agree, as you said it's a badge of basic competency.

Christopher Roberts
Christopher Roberts

The whole of Japan is pure invention - Oscar Wilde

Hunter Scott
Hunter Scott

it's a badge of basic competency
This just translates to "worthless".

Alexander Morris
Alexander Morris

It shows if your Japanese is beyond worthless or not ;^)

Hudson Roberts
Hudson Roberts

I know I am missing a bit due to not understanding the puns, dialects, certain plot points getting lost in translation, being ignorant of their culture, ect.

I only know English and some basic Spanish. I would love to learn Japanese; not for anime but just to know it.
Right now I'm not sure if I have the time since I'm very busy trying to master several different programming languages.

Jack Bennett
Jack Bennett

Understanding Japanese puts you well on your way to realizing how shit anime is.

That's why you read manga.

Bentley Lopez
Bentley Lopez

God I hope so because if there is no secret language raffinesse in the dialogues most are really fucking stupid

Aiden Sullivan
Aiden Sullivan

Found the best post.

Landon Murphy
Landon Murphy

I'd maybe say that it proves just a little bit more, but it's maybe better to phrase it your way.
I hate the "oh my god you passed N1 you're soooo good at Japanese" meme.

Michael Evans
Michael Evans

if you go full autism, read everything about japan, learn its history, its food, its places, its traditions and just a tiny bit of the language, then yes you can

Ayden Lewis
Ayden Lewis

That's why I've been studying Japanese the whole last year

Stopped reading there.

Thomas Collins
Thomas Collins

I agree with this. As an American it so hard to find people who fully grasp the English language. People here don't understand how grammar even works to be quite honest. We are just not taught in schools. We just know it. Same with geography and our history. What we know is what we know. That is that. I met a guy once who could not even name a state besides the one he lived in.

We are a massive nation, fully of stupid but confident people.

Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

No.

Popularizing anime to the west is a mistake. Now that capekino era is soon to be over, Hollywoods and SJW are gonna latch on anime.

Fuck whitey.

Brandon Howard
Brandon Howard

Keit-ai will find a way regardless.

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

casualfags
there's your problem

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

After I become rich, this will be the first thing I do.

Jonathan Anderson
Jonathan Anderson

pink text says japans history is really omoshiroi in case anyone was wondering

Nicholas Taylor
Nicholas Taylor

https://webm.lol/v/1z6f0b0767

Nolan Edwards
Nolan Edwards

What is there to appreciate in the first place?

Aiden Rivera
Aiden Rivera

Is this nigga serious

Ethan Roberts
Ethan Roberts

I watch anime because it's animation and not because it's japanese.

William Gomez
William Gomez

Obviously not. It's the same with translated literature. The cultural context is different, the language is conducive to different ways of thinking, and translation is never going to fully capture these in the sense a native would experience them.

Does this mean you should shy away from them (or just any sort of translated material in general)? I don't think so. Being receptive to different, foreign ideas and partaking in cultural exchange is progress.

Tyler Jenkins
Tyler Jenkins

I've always Wondered if not knowing the language but being used to the sound of it helps. I cant remember a single time where I thought a line was delivered badly (except for shit like ova Dio), and I dont believe all seiyuu are that perfect. Do nips complain about shit like jap dubs or just bad voice acting in anime like most people on this side of the planet think dubs are shit?

Jonathan Long
Jonathan Long

Germans don't complain about their dubs, but then again they dub everything so the industry is geared towards it. Anglos really only dub anime, which in the west is still en large viewed as "shit for kids" an gets treated as such.

Anglo dubbing is atrocious when compared to German dubbing.

Source: A Brit/German living in Holland.

Cameron Foster
Cameron Foster

No, but at the same time the cost of learning Japanese is outweighed by its uselessness.

Lincoln Morris
Lincoln Morris

Well obviously you're going to miss language based puns
Which is 90% of Japanese humor.

Evan Sanders
Evan Sanders

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

Jaxson King
Jaxson King

cost
What cost? It is free. If you spent 15 minutes a day on a language for 10 years, you will have spent 900 hours on it in total. A second language taught in high school barely reaches 900 hours of coverage. If you spend more time on it than a measly 15 minutes/day you can learn it in far less time.

Uselessness is relative. I have been to japan for 2 weeks on holiday and the frustration of not being able to speak the language is unbearable. I am planning on going back for the Kyoto Olympics + comiket @2020, this time I will be very proficient in Japanese. I am even considering quite seriously to move there an work in the medical field, which is what my qualifications are in.

William Reed
William Reed

He means the hour he might have to spend a day is way too much for him, it might cut down on his time spend mindlessly browsing Sup Forums for threads to shitpost in.

Asher Sanchez
Asher Sanchez

Well that is next level retarded then. There isn't a skill on earth that can be learned without time being invested. I bet he believes Slash one day picked up a guitar and was magically amazing at it, instead of spending 8+hours a day for over 10 years playing the damn thing before getting where he got.

David Cooper
David Cooper

Leaving out the fact that a large percentage of the younger generations nowadays understand basic to intermediate (if not advanced) english, you think non-english speakers can fully appreciate media from english-speaking countries without understanding english?

Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

Kyoto Olympics

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

The cost is the time investment you colossal idiot.

Brandon Barnes
Brandon Barnes

Oh, I dunno why I said Kyoto, probably because that is one of the places I went to see last time I was in Japan. Beautiful city mind you, not that I would advise anyone to go see it (or any other place in Japan) if they don't into moon.

Ya, because the time he has invested in this place clearly show he is a person with no time to waste. All his time is precious and learning a new language is going to take away time he might have been able to spend here.

John Rogers
John Rogers

I've been there. From what I know, Japan is getting more tourist friendly.

Mason Perez
Mason Perez

Oh, I didn't mean to imply they were unfriendly, quite the contrary. Mr baka gajin showing interest in their city of the year every year seemed to instill a sense of pride in the people I met. I met 1 Japanese person who could communicate in English with me in Kyoto, and all he did was inquire as to what places I had and had not already seen, advising me on what to go see next etc.. the guy was excited by western standards, let alone Japanese standards.

All I meant to say is that without some basic moonerune understanding, visiting Japan/Asia it is the closest you are going to get to being deaf and mute without actually having to impair yourself.

Ryan Jackson
Ryan Jackson

no fucking body complains about the same thing in western cartoons
Yes, just like the Japanese don't complain about anime VAs, the west doesn't complain about western cartoon VAs.
But I will complain about an anime dub VA. All the girls sound fake and all the guys sound fake too.

Owen Stewart
Owen Stewart

Can you fully appreciate websites without knowing HTML?

Thomas Roberts
Thomas Roberts

Of course not. You can't appreciate good web design of you have no idea how coding works.

Jeremiah Edwards
Jeremiah Edwards

Web design is only one aspect of websites, though. The same counts for anime, you're able to appreciate one more aspect of it if you understand Japanese, but it doesn't mean you can't appreciate it nonetheless. Now, if you want to get semantic and say that he specifically said "fully", then I don't think that's ever possible. What if someone skipped their mother's funeral to work on one episode? If you were aware of that you'd surely appreciate that episode more, or at least, some would. So with things like that in mind, it's not possible to "fully" appreciate anything.

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

The same counts for anime, you're able to appreciate one more aspect of it if you understand Japanese, but it doesn't mean you can't appreciate it nonetheless.
The question was whether you can appreciate it fully. If one aspect is beyond your reach then you can't appreciate it fully.

Lucas Scott
Lucas Scott

Did you stop reading the second part of my post? You did exactly what I just addressed.

Jace Foster
Jace Foster

無理、アホ。ちゃんとアニメの文化分りたいのなら、やるしかない

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

I enjoyed anime a lot more before I knew Japanese.

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