Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1558

Asher Brown
Asher Brown

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true

Previous Thread:
/a/thread/142156135#p142156135

All urls found in this thread:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true
http://pastebin.com/q2kra4cq
https://youtu.be/-EuEICMWIvc?t=12m30s
http://forvo.com/word/%E3%83%95%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9/#ja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fDwVprjd00
http://www.imabi.net/l279yotsugana.htm
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242
http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk
http://jp.morpheem.com/text#!/estimate-intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZjGEje6hHw
http://www.nikkei.com/
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6366
https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialEngineering/comments/2k068s/how_would_you_go_about_getting_a_flight_upgrade/
http://kansaibenkyou.net/node/331
Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

How do you guys handle new cards in anki?
I have them all at the end of the reviews, and press "easy" on all new cards twice to push them instantly to 4 days interval.

Aiden Baker
Aiden Baker

Reminder to press good on your failed reviews. It'll make your progress through the deck more efficient.

Nicholas Reyes
Nicholas Reyes

/a/thread/142156135#p142198726
I didn't even set the hotkeys, it's already there by default, I think you can see them when you hover over the buttons
Yeah, those are all default keyboard shortcuts. As far as I know (old version) you can't change them or add additional shortcut keys to those functions.

I use autohotkey to mirror those shortcuts to my mouse. So most of the time I'm just using the scroll wheel on the mouse (down for space bar (show answer/good), up for 1 (again) and clicking it for R (repeat audio)).

Easton Adams
Easton Adams

trying to learn kanji without studying the fundamentals of oracle bone script

ISHYGDDT

Joshua Mitchell
Joshua Mitchell

being this butthurt over how other people study
I think everything's been said by now and everyone's made up their mind. I don't see any point in ironically shitposting about it now.

Wyatt Carter
Wyatt Carter

can anyone help me on getting the audio to save as well with rikaisama? not good with these things honestly

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

http://pastebin.com/q2kra4cq

Jonathan Sanders
Jonathan Sanders

thanks a ton

Jonathan Morris
Jonathan Morris

How does /djt/ defend itself?

Colton Gutierrez
Colton Gutierrez

Studying Japanese without learning Chinese first

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

超おそっ

Jaxon Ortiz
Jaxon Ortiz

user I won't have some shitty app penalize me, it tricked me into getting my cards wrong.

Henry Myers
Henry Myers

知る!

Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

What a disgusting "person"

Camden Howard
Camden Howard

I was skimming through some old folders and came across this image which I saved from 99chan in 2011. I had totally forgotten about it and never actually got round to using it, but to my surprise it contains all the resources which are typically recommended in these threads.

It lists a bunch of other resources too that I've never seen mentioned here though. Has anyone here used them? Are they any good?

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

Can you guys recommend anything in Japanese with lots of techno-babble?

Something like MGS:
https://youtu.be/-EuEICMWIvc?t=12m30s (12m30s)

Aaron Anderson
Aaron Anderson

文章は、短ければ短いほど、簡単なら簡単なほどよいです。

what the fuck

William Nguyen
William Nguyen

Baldr Sky has plenty of that.

Josiah Thomas
Josiah Thomas

It's true.

Cooper Jenkins
Cooper Jenkins

Star Trek, the Japanese edition.

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

if sean connery can do it, so can you
I should try to be this optimistic.

Parker Jackson
Parker Jackson

味わわせさせられる

David Edwards
David Edwards

double causative

Lincoln Green
Lincoln Green

Already read part of Baldr Sky Dive1 a long time ago and this is true.

Chase Richardson
Chase Richardson

味わわせられませんでした

Ethan Ross
Ethan Ross

I was made to make him make me devour him.

Nicholas Long
Nicholas Long

college taught ふ etc to be pronounced like "hu" instead of "fu".
This has fucked me up so many times. Why would you teach like this if its not correct?

Jaxson Watson
Jaxson Watson

it's both
just like し is both shi and si
and つ is both tsu and tu

Jackson Green
Jackson Green

Then how do you know which?

Jayden Robinson
Jayden Robinson

it's not a matter of which one
it's a matter of being both

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

the h in ふ is different from the h in ひ which is different from the h's in はへほ
づ and ぢ are pronounced differently from ず and じ
ん is articulated at the same point as the following consonant, or is velar at the end of an utterance

I bet none of you even pronounce the vowels properly

Cameron Lee
Cameron Lee

stop thinking in romaji

ふ is ふ , which is something between fu and hu. Neither of those sounds actually exists in japanese.
Just like the whole R / L thing

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

So you can pronounce france like hu-ran-su and it is acceptable?

Isaac Carter
Isaac Carter

How do you know whether to pronounce i like in sing or like in ripe?

EOPs I swear

Eli Brooks
Eli Brooks

what the fuck
elaborate

Wyatt Scott
Wyatt Scott

I can't read romaji

Bentley Phillips
Bentley Phillips

yes as long as you pronounce the "u" in "hu" correctly so that it influences the h

in english, the h has undefined location. notice how "hah" and "he" put more turbulence in different parts of the mouth

the japanese "u" is pronounced closer to the center of the mouth than the english "u", both the tongue part and the lips part

this makes it push the "h" in "hu" into a location that is close to, but not identical to, the english "f" sound

loanwords with "fa" and "fi" sequences can be pronounced with h, though it is increasingly considered incorrect to do so. meanwhile, "hu"/"fu" merely has to be between "h" and "f".

Tyler Ramirez
Tyler Ramirez

You should do Heisig's RTR (remembering the romanji)

Grayson Gutierrez
Grayson Gutierrez

http://forvo.com/word/%E3%83%95%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9/#ja

compare the first two

the fist one is definitely more 'hu', while the secomd has a clear 'f'-sound.

Joshua Cook
Joshua Cook

Second girl has a pretty cute voice.

What the hell is wrong with my life.

Nathaniel Perez
Nathaniel Perez

Personally I think the third one sounds more kawaii

Camden Nelson
Camden Nelson

OK that's easy then. I'll go with a more "f" sound since that is what everyone else seems to do.

Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

日ソ
What a super cool and useful word. Thank you core.

David Foster
David Foster

urantsu

Charles Brooks
Charles Brooks

Is that actually in core? Jesus

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

If Mukudori was my sister, things would be different around here.

Jason Edwards
Jason Edwards

i already have 700 words in my mining deck without audio, do i really need to go through and add audio to them with rikaisama? do you use audio with yours? i'm lazy

Christian Wright
Christian Wright

It's actually a sound half-way between hu and fu, though in some words it can lean closer to one sound than the other.

Before you get butthurt over that one little ambiguity, imagine how shitty it is for Japs learning English with all the fucked up spelling we have in this language.

Zachary Barnes
Zachary Barnes

imagine how shitty it is for Japs learning English with all the fucked up spelling we have in this language.
This is paid back twicefold with how hard it is to read and write their retarded language.

Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

No, audio is completely meaningless. It doesn't mean anything.

Lucas Campbell
Lucas Campbell

づ and ぢ are pronounced differently from ず and じ
That's a regional thing, actually.

Christopher Richardson
Christopher Richardson

What does the first alternative sound like in practice?

Angel Moore
Angel Moore

I bet none of you even pronounce the vowels properly
is that a challenge

Hudson Morales
Hudson Morales

So I have been out of the loop for a long time, I've just been reading + anki and listening via watching show.

What happened with 10,000 sentences and what the fuck is MCD? Is it the new learn Japanese in quick fad or is it legit? Where are the anki decks? Also does anyone have the old 10,000 sentence deck?

Camden Fisher
Camden Fisher

I must have been lived in Hokkaido or Touhoku in one of my previous lives

Matthew Smith
Matthew Smith

How many people actually became fluent thanks to this general? I feel like then number is probably extremely low.

Matthew Clark
Matthew Clark

What happened with 10,000 sentences
Do you mean Core10k?
and what the fuck is MCD?
Never heard it before

Cameron Thompson
Cameron Thompson

well there's five different possible consonant sounds in this class of sounds

z, j, d, dz, dj

i'd say 1 is probably "everything is z"

Christian Adams
Christian Adams

If you keep up your reps, you will eventually become fluent.

Juan Sanchez
Juan Sanchez

A number far beyond any human reckoning.

Jace Ross
Jace Ross

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fDwVprjd00

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith

I don't think anyone becomes fluent thanks to any general, it exists for people to get STARTED. Getting fluent is all on the individual.

Lucas Fisher
Lucas Fisher

There's also 米ソ

Jason Cruz
Jason Cruz

Worth bearing in mind that chart is about old people.

And modern spelling reform mostly swapped づ for ず and ぢ for じ (and the exceptions were because of just logical spelling relationship to つ and ち), so it doesn't even make sense to use standard spelling as though the difference were preserved there.

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

There was an image with a list of manga / vn to read in order from basic to advanced floating around awhile ago, does anyone have that?

Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

stop using dumb charts and read what you want m8

Bentley Roberts
Bentley Roberts

There's a page on imabi about it. It's probably explained there.

http://www.imabi.net/l279yotsugana.htm

Nathan Fisher
Nathan Fisher

and press "easy" on all new cards twice to push them instantly to 4 days interval.

why would you do this?

Connor Campbell
Connor Campbell

again count: 297 (36.3% correct)

Brayden Sullivan
Brayden Sullivan

modern spelling reform actually represents the way pedants spoke around that time

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

大丈夫

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

retention below 50%
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242
you're welcome
I take no responsibility if your true retention is even lower

Lucas Collins
Lucas Collins

People stop frequenting this general once they can read most of the things they want to read. At that point /djt/ simply doesn't have anything to offer you that you couldn't get on other more fitting communities, like Japanaese media recommendations and what not.

While I don't know about fluent I do think a lot of people reached a rather solid level in Japanese thanks to /djt/.

Jaxon Thomas
Jaxon Thomas

I take no responsibility if your true retention is even lower

Is that even possible mathematically?

Nathaniel Russell
Nathaniel Russell

I wouldn't say I'm fluent, but I can read the things I want to read without too much trouble.

But like said, only thing the general really did for me was link me to Anki and KD. I enjoy (sort of) popping in here every now and again, though.

Nolan Allen
Nolan Allen

mathematically? yes

Luke Morgan
Luke Morgan

its bait, user

check the previous thread for the rest of the autistic argument

Adam Collins
Adam Collins

We're not doing this again

Nathan Mitchell
Nathan Mitchell

Ahh, autismal arguments over the correct usage of Anki. My favorite part of DJT.

Sebastian Kelly
Sebastian Kelly

So if you fail all normal reviews, but pass all relearn steps, your true retention would be 0, while regular Anki would show 50% or more, depending on the number of relearn steps?

Ian Davis
Ian Davis

mfw run into paragraph with a bunch of words from the last core rep
萌えゲー aren't half bad for starting materials

Ian Reyes
Ian Reyes

yes

Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

also another factor is new cards, which will also denormalize anki's correct %, but true retention entirely ignores

Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross


If you really love someone, you won´t keep them in a cage-like bird house relationship, but rather open the door and let their heart walk around freely. Think less about "I" (あい) and more about "we".

So, this is the Japanese concept of true love.

Cooper Sullivan
Cooper Sullivan

japanese

Christian Fisher
Christian Fisher

When people reach an appropriate level of fluency they move to 2chan to shitpost in the daily English threads

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

I came to shitpost here after fluency

Samuel Martinez
Samuel Martinez

it's a wash
wash these
ENGLISH.

Jack James
Jack James

I know of 洗い出す but I'm not sure I've heard 洗い by itself to mean "investigate".

Brody Powell
Brody Powell

Why the fuck are you learning japanese from cucks

Ian Morris
Ian Morris

Top rated RTK stories, mate.

Sebastian Perez
Sebastian Perez

skip Anki for months
1400 reps
85% retention rate

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

Watch something like SAC and you'll hear quite a bit about washing

Isaiah Ross
Isaiah Ross

I guess I must've been neglecting stories about police work in general.

Jaxon Nguyen
Jaxon Nguyen

足を洗う

Oliver Martin
Oliver Martin

I like it

Chase Ward
Chase Ward

what the fuck

Hunter Barnes
Hunter Barnes

It's what happens when you look up 足りる and 瓶 on jisho

Cameron Stewart
Cameron Stewart

FINALLY EVEN JAPANESE RECOGNIZE THE GLORY OF JIZZUS CHRIST

Gabriel Thomas
Gabriel Thomas

Basically everything there (with the exception of the Kodansha books) has been talked about here at some point. I know I myself am a big fan of JTMW. Overall that's a pretty damn good image, especially for the time - I don't think there's much reason to have a physical kanji dictionary anymore, and textbook-style learning clashes with the DJT philosophy, but otherwise it's got some good info.

One such piece of info being the mentioning of Kenkyusha. If an user is reading this and doesn't have it, pls go download it and install it for Rikaisama, it covers fewer terms but usually has better definitions than EDICT. You can just switch back and forth between them by pressing P.

John Wilson
John Wilson

what are you guys reading?

Parker Thompson
Parker Thompson

Kino volume 5 at the moment

Dylan Hall
Dylan Hall

I finished Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita not too long ago. Right now I'm basically just reading eroge and Accel World

Benjamin Cook
Benjamin Cook

How many years?

Jayden Myers
Jayden Myers

Impossible to say since I've taken many long breaks on the way. It took me years between getting the kana down to actually studying kanji and vocabulary in any meaningful way.

Kayden Parker
Kayden Parker

I know this feel

Elijah Price
Elijah Price

イリヤの空、UFOの夏

my first anime book, i always wondered what they would be like

Lincoln Ross
Lincoln Ross

first LN is Iriya
Oh fucking boy, expect every other LN in existence to pale in comparison.

Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

I read the first page of Zero no Tsukaima last night. Actually, I just checked and I only really read half the first page. It seems like 2 pages on my Kindle is 1 page in the LN scans.

Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

この写真を出したのはシリアの政府と戦っている男性で、3月にも安田さんだという人のビデオをインターネットに出しています。写真は別の男性に頼まれて出したと言っています。

This pic was released by a man fighting the syrian government, in march he also was releasing videos of yasuda. He requested pic from other person and put it out he said.

I dont have confidence in this. 男性で why で

Oliver Wright
Oliver Wright

Jojo ダイヤモンドは砕けない

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

Isn't that just the copula that allows for noun sentences to be connected together?

Like using the て form of a verb

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

I saw this in dojg

Julian Brooks
Julian Brooks

Is it really a Nobel Prize contender piece of literature?

Christian Ross
Christian Ross

Don't know, I'm not an expert on literature. I find it a bit boring to be honest (although there are some passages I really like, the first few pages are god-tier for examples).

Angel Nguyen
Angel Nguyen

that was my initial thought but that implies a cause-effect relationship or sequence of actions

Brayden Baker
Brayden Baker

core 2k/6k

Christopher Long
Christopher Long

inb4
beginners giving beginners advice
I don't know what I'm talking about either but the で probably just implies the one who released the picture is from/of the men fighting the Syrian government. Or Maybe it means the video was released by "the mean fighting the Syrian government", so them as a whole being the subject.

And I think it's not a video of Yasua, but by/from Yasuda. Then the last line seems more like "He entrusted the release of the picture to other men"

But yeah I'm as shit as you, let's get along well senpai

Ian King
Ian King

reps
know what the kanji means but don't know how to say it
doesn't matter because furigana is there when i'm reading
end up knowing later on because of that
thanks japan

Nicholas Morales
Nicholas Morales

Wow my typing went to shit there

Also I only now released 男性 might as well be a single guy.

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

で is just connecting the sentences here. It could be です an the meaning wouldn't change.

Nolan Perry
Nolan Perry

Don't worry you still won't know how to say plenty of words when you start reading shit that doesn't have furigana

David Lee
David Lee

end up knowing later on because of that
aka i didn't need furigana later on the more i read. i read chapters over and over until every word in it sticks, then i move on

Xavier Taylor
Xavier Taylor

One such piece of info being the mentioning of Kenkyusha. If an user is reading this and doesn't have it, pls go download it and install it for Rikaisama
How do I do that? I CTRL+F'd for Kenkyusha on the Rikaisama page but this is the only mention of it.

There's no instructions about where to get it or how to install it.

James Carter
James Carter

写真は別の男性に頼まれて出したと言っています。
He received the picture from some other dude and put it online, he claims.

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

think of it as "combing through something". it's not used often, just like the english phrase

Parker Brooks
Parker Brooks

If you don't know the meaning you are alright, if you don't know the reading you failed.

Samuel Butler
Samuel Butler

The file is in the CoR somewhere, it's an EPWING J-E dictionary. There should be instructions on the rikaisama page or somewhere as to how to install it.

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

got it. thank you

Mason Baker
Mason Baker

Ah, thanks, I found it. If anyone else is interested, it's listed as "J-E EPWING Dictionary (新和英大辞典 第5版)" in the 教本 section of the CoR.

Andrew King
Andrew King

おはようおにいちゃん

おなかいたい

Daniel Allen
Daniel Allen

beginners giving beginners advice

It's not the particle で, it's the copula

安田さんという人のビデオ can mean either a video of yasuda or a video made by yasuda, that info is something you need context for

頼む means to entrust, to ask, to rely on someone, etc.
here it is in passive form so it means he was being asked by other men for the photos

Angel Lewis
Angel Lewis

や、やった...

Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

Oh fuck, this is the Windows version...

Brody Jenkins
Brody Jenkins

Shouldn't the files inside be all you need? All I did was extract an iso I found off a russian torrent site and plug the catalogs file into rikai, does that not work unless you're on windows?

Josiah Perez
Josiah Perez

I just tried that and it doesn't seem to be working. When I try to enable EPWING mode, pic related happens.

Brandon Ross
Brandon Ross

But the version history claims that it should work:

Version 21.0 - 2015 March 7

Real-Time Import and EPWING features now work on Linux and Mac platforms. Contributed by Boaz Yaniv.

Nathan Nelson
Nathan Nelson

he hasn't finished Island already

Joseph Ross
Joseph Ross

舐めてあげる

Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

I got it to work. Did you add the CATALOGS file to Rikai under the EPWING tab?

Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

Nothing interesting this month

Grayson Moore
Grayson Moore

Try this:
● Added the about:config "extensions.rikaisama.epwingusewine" option for Linux users. Enable this if the native EPWING lookup executable doesn't work.

Wyatt Powell
Wyatt Powell

actually, that might be deprecated by the version following that one.

You are using the Linux build, right? Because EPWING stuff is one of the platform specific points.

Austin Garcia
Austin Garcia

Yep.

Colton Rogers
Colton Rogers

Nothing interesting this month
Zen pls go

Justin Anderson
Justin Anderson

Even Micchi wasn't all that enthusiastic about this month

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

What the fuck does どっこいあるんです mean? How can you ある a どっこい?

Does it just mean wait a second?

Leo Flores
Leo Flores

I'm reading よつばと! too actually. Someone said it was really easy, and it was true because I've only got like 70 days of Core 6k but I can read it pretty well, and actually makes me laugh sometimes, not sure if it's legitimately funny or because I manage to grasp the simplest of humor in Japanese it's funnier than it should be.

It's also my first manga that isn't a porn doujin and I love it, IT'S LIKE READING ANIME

Thomas Rodriguez
Thomas Rodriguez

Haven't visited there for a year, but I guessed he would not change

Elijah Smith
Elijah Smith

ところがどっこい

のいみだとおもうよ

なんでそういうのかはしらないよ

Evan Campbell
Evan Campbell

ull make it

Bentley Clark
Bentley Clark

葉っぱ

Jacob Allen
Jacob Allen

ゆきのん、発見いたしました

By episode 4 it gets even better

Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

make it where?

Ethan Johnson
Ethan Johnson

Is my sentence correct I am learning for 3 days
精液を飲みながら、私のお尻からちんぽを上げました。

Isaac Barnes
Isaac Barnes

プリプリ

Oliver Anderson
Oliver Anderson

Ah that would make sense

ありがとう、いもうとさん

Charles Butler
Charles Butler

もう生理始まった?

Jeremiah Ward
Jeremiah Ward

I tried this but it didn't work.

As a last resort, I tried reinstalling Rikaisama and for some reason that fixed it, although now if I set the extensions.rikaisama.epwingusewine string's value to "false" it stops working again (this time I get no error message at all though, absolutely nothing happens if I try to activate EPWING with extensions.rikaisama.epwingusewine set to "false").

Anyway, for whatever reason it's working now. Thanks everyone.

Alexander Price
Alexander Price

What is this?

Jacob Morgan
Jacob Morgan

are you using a proxy to watch it? or is it available to steal somewhere?

filename

Blake Roberts
Blake Roberts

Torrent:
jdramacity

Subs (it's more comfortable):
jpsubbers dot web44 dot net/Japanese-Subtitles

Elijah Morgan
Elijah Morgan

So you've read every good VN in existence up to the present and now have nothing to do but wait for good new releases?
I'm impressed, and feel really sorry for you.

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

I CANT LEARN JAPANESE
I'VE TRIED FOR TWO YEARS FOR HOURS UPON HOURS AND ITS JUST NOT CLICKING

I HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT BESIDES BEING ABLE TO READ OLD SCHOOL JRPGS EXCEPT FOR VOCABULARY!!!

REEEEE

John Cruz
John Cruz

just download a LN or something and read it bruh

Jonathan Edwards
Jonathan Edwards

It's surprisingly easy, and very nice as well.

Jacob Brooks
Jacob Brooks

Fluency is like a 5 year journey at the very least, you've still got another 3 years of feeling like that

Gambatay!

Lincoln Garcia
Lincoln Garcia

that image is gross

Anthony Diaz
Anthony Diaz

Looks pretty queer

Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

ur mum is gross

Michael Hernandez
Michael Hernandez

素晴らしい火傷

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

Shit, I'm screencapping this to show dekinai-chan later when she gets online.

Nicholas Davis
Nicholas Davis

Thank you SO MUCH for this user holy shit.
I've been watching the 99.9% 弁護牛 show every week on wilsonjj tv but didn't know where to find japanese subs. this is a great resource.

John Wright
John Wright

I started core and these counters are pissing me off. RRRR

Ryan Cruz
Ryan Cruz

How to learn Japanese correctly:

1. Learn Spanish so pronunciation is easy.
2. Learn Korean so grammar is easy.
3. Learn Chinese so kanji are easy.
4. Learn Japanese.

Bentley Anderson
Bentley Anderson

Korean grammar's similar to Japanese grammar?

Brayden Rivera
Brayden Rivera

the subs don't seem to sync up at all for this show

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

None of them do, and what's worse, a lot of lines are just randomly missing. They're a waste of time.

Nolan Turner
Nolan Turner

any method that involves learning one of those three stinking gutter languages is not the right method to follow if you want to do anything correctly
let alone learn japanese

Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

Japanese grammar is the easiest in the world. Korean sounds like shit (reason why k-pop is unbearable) and chinese looks like shit (all ideograms from start to end!).
If you want all the shitty latin grammar with the declinations for the nouns, pronouns, adjectives, plus the gender related shit... yes, come on learn spanish (or french. Or italian). Be my guest.

So you start with japanese. And you stop there because all the rest is a fucking pain.

Isaiah Campbell
Isaiah Campbell

Certainly not. Dropped after one week because it was hell compared to japanese.

Michael Edwards
Michael Edwards

chinese looks like shit (all ideograms from start to end!).
Try using something other than communist shit.

Asher Hill
Asher Hill

Mmm figured as much

Korean's only good for the written language, and even then it looks like shit it's just made really well

Logan Anderson
Logan Anderson

I don't think you could ever find a shittier scan of that cover... congrats for finding this gem..

William Perez
William Perez

Bartenders are women magnet, nothing gay at all. I had a french friend who was a part time bartender and \he could get all the japanese pussy he wanted. Hell, it's even the way he found his wife and now they have three kids!

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

French
Bartender

The queer levels are through the roof

Austin Thomas
Austin Thomas

Good thing Spanish is my native language :^)
It probably also helps with understanding conjugations, which are harder than english ones but much easier than spanish.

Alexander Walker
Alexander Walker

japanese conjugations are practically nonexistent though
how could they possibly be harder than english

Ayden Myers
Ayden Myers

私は百合豚だ
このクソゲーがSteamで売らなくなった
30€
日本語字幕がない
何のため?
最後に日本海賊版をダウンロードした、それにVNがそんなに高すぎるのは普通のか?

Alexander Phillips
Alexander Phillips

bartending turned a white man into a degenerate who birthed three abominations in the eyes of God with a yellow woman

Don't become a bartender kids.

Thomas King
Thomas King

Thing with english is it's more mix 'n match, you have like 4 forms of the actual verbs (play, plays, played, playing, and I think that's it) and the rest is done with auxiliary things like did, have, will, etc.
Spanish barely has any of the auxiliary things and instead has a fucking million forms for each verb, and add to that irregular verbs which you have to memorize.
Japanese conjugates in a similar way to spanish, but there's only a couple conjugations for each verb (as opposed to Spanish) and there's only like 12 irregular verbs.

Blake Mitchell
Blake Mitchell

I learned a new word in Japanese today!
できる!

Caleb Sanchez
Caleb Sanchez

feel when neet, and don't care about speaking with japanese people, so you message otaku american girls on hellotalk in japanese just because you want the female contact.

getting desperate here.

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

Girls aren't ever going to like you if you're a poor neet.

Landon Murphy
Landon Murphy

tfw lack the confidence to pathetically contact females like user
We could swap

Chase Turner
Chase Turner

Those Japs on Hellotalk are ultra normies

I keep starting conversations with them for like a few days and then getting bored because they're such normies and completely ignoring them

Feel pretty bad about it really

Charles James
Charles James

Im not actually a poor neet. I just never bothered to get a gf during the school year. There was two times I had the chance to ask some girl out, but I blew it because I did not want the hassle of having a girlfriend, and just went back to my room to work on hobbies.

But now, im lonely, basically a neet, and all I have is 20 year old neets on an imageboard. All I want is an some otaku girl I can talk to like 20 mins a day, talk about anime, and maybe play some games.

Im sick of messaging nips. I want some english otaku girls.

This. I actually met one jap girl who was not a normie. But then I told her I loved her, and she freaked out. fuck.

You may think im a disgusting lonely loser, but, what can I say, I get really lonely just sitting in my room doing hobbies.

Bentley Diaz
Bentley Diaz

You may think im a disgusting lonely loser,
You may think
may

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

I am reading Non Non Biyori.

The anime.

Connor Long
Connor Long

Im not actually a poor neet
during the school year
But now, im lonely, basically a neet
Off yourself, mate.
But then I told her I loved her, and she freaked out.
Why the fuck did you do that? You should've known that nothing good comes out of confessing to random girls you barely know.

Tyler King
Tyler King

Why did you tell her you love her oh my God.
Anyway, you sound cute.

Josiah Campbell
Josiah Campbell

I actually met one jap girl who was not a normie. But then I told her I loved her, and she freaked out. fuck.
Tell us more.

Robert Ortiz
Robert Ortiz

Why not watch it instead

I just started rewatching it raw with subs, shit's max comfy

Liam Thompson
Liam Thompson

I have taken 2 semesters of Japanese. I know hiragana / katakana and maybe 50 kanji and basic sentence structure. Is there a VN or something on my level?

Jason Miller
Jason Miller

raw with subs

Luis Wright
Luis Wright

This post is 100% bait.

Kayden Hall
Kayden Hall

On second thought let's not swap

Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

Why would it be? I read the OP with recommendations, but I was asking for advice. Fuck off if you don't want to be helpful.

Ryan Torres
Ryan Torres

why did you tell her
I was a retard at the time. One of the first girls I liked because she wasn't a norm You get a load of undeserved confidence when you are online. I just went for it. I did like her. She was an artist, and im the guy who keeps spamming about wanting to marry a japanese art girl.

Anyway, Im a highschooler. I still love doing my hobbies. I just hope I dont fuck everything up when i'm in college, and miss out being with a qt otaku girl.

I asked a girl out in my grade early this year. We almost did, I would just have to meet up with her in school again to plan it. So I didn't stood her up. But I didn't do it Even though she watched anime, I didn't actually like her. I wanted to be with an art girl, someone I like.

So I asked her out, got a huge rush of happy chemicals, but then I blew it off. Just so I can do my neet hobbies, which I love. But now all im doing is hugging my pillow in my bed, thinking about being with a girl.

Leo Cruz
Leo Cruz

Fucking hard but so hilarious, I can't stop.

Liam Bailey
Liam Bailey

Holy fuck stop blogging here you fat fuck

Nicholas Young
Nicholas Young

I don't know how you can relate french people to anything gay. Aren't you mistaking them for their neighbours, on that tiny island?

Matthew Morris
Matthew Morris

Honestly, he's so normie he actually asked a girl out and got told yes (not to mention he's going to college) and yet he's pretending to be a NEET loser for Sup Forums cred.

Oliver Wright
Oliver Wright

Dude if the bait evolved to a level where kanji isn't written as kanjis anymore we'd be fucked, nowhere would be safe

Do you know how to set up a text hooker? You'll need one.
Hanahira is a terrible VN but the most commonly recommended one for beginners because of its simple sentence structure and easy kanji.
I'd also recommend Yotsubato with the Yotsubato reading packs, which include Anki decks. You can find all these resources in the guide and/or Cornucopia of Resources.

Josiah Roberts
Josiah Roberts

That jelly is quite delicious, thank you for the treat.

Zachary Miller
Zachary Miller

I read and mine the episodes first, then watch them after I've reviewed the new cards at least once.

I will admit it's sometimes hard to figure out what is happening from the text alone, but it's a nice feeling when you realize you either guessed right or it wouldn't have made sense without the pictures in the first place.

Oliver Gray
Oliver Gray

Im a highschooler.

Gabriel Rogers
Gabriel Rogers

Im a highschooler
It shows.

Colton Carter
Colton Carter

Do you know how to set up a text hooker?
No, but I can look into it. I've played Japanese games on my computer before just fine, why would I need to fuck with the text?

Eli Robinson
Eli Robinson

Maybe you'll be able to actually function around females once your balls have dropped.

Isaiah Powell
Isaiah Powell

so that you can quickly get the definition and readings for words you can't read

Caleb Rivera
Caleb Rivera

Oh, I didn't know something like that existed. I'll look into it, shouldn't be too hard. Thanks.

Lincoln Howard
Lincoln Howard

Hanahira is a terrible VN
That's sad to hear. I was going to play that soon. I was hoping for something like YuruYuri in vn form.

Ethan James
Ethan James

Because there's no way you learned shit from taking a single year of Japanese in school, you'll need to have the raw text available to make it easy to look up words and grammar structures you don't know.

Levi Gonzalez
Levi Gonzalez

So you just need to hover over it to get a translation. Don't expect to read a VN without having to lookup a new kanji every 5 sentences any time soon. If you had to copy paste each one individually you'd never get anywhere.

First Google result for texthooker should be all you need. I'll also add this to the spoonfeed because as far as I know an user from ITT made it and it's great: http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

Liam Allen
Liam Allen

just read yuru yuri in manga form

Joseph Roberts
Joseph Roberts

Sup Forums has been my best friend since 8th grade. Im not fat. I went on a 4 hour walk saturday out of pure boredom. Im deleting the hellotalk account, and getting back to my neet hobbies.

気を付けて

Christopher Hill
Christopher Hill

It's fine if you're into moege I guess, but I had absolutely no interest in it aside from learning Japanese and it was ridiculously tedious. Should've read Yotsubato right away.

Jace Lopez
Jace Lopez

My college course at UAH taught us hiragana / katakana within the first semester as well as basic Japanese, and kanji + intermediate Japanese by the 2nd. And I have stacks upon stacks of notecards to prove it.

Sorry that whatever program you used sucks.

Jaxson Flores
Jaxson Flores

Do you know what NEET stands for? You're not a NEET unless you drop out of school.

Adam Sanders
Adam Sanders

ffs it was bait after all

Aaron Mitchell
Aaron Mitchell

How the fuck is learning basic Japanese in a year bait? Are you just really fucking slow?

Oliver Green
Oliver Green

I've already read everything that's been TL'd and watched the show. I'm still pretty new and I think it would be too hard and not compelling enough to reread it all.

I'm not sure if I am, but I suppose I'll find out. Is it at least funny?

Lucas Wilson
Lucas Wilson

My college course at UAH taught us hiragana / katakana within the first semester as well as basic Japanese, and kanji + intermediate Japanese by the 2nd.

so essentially nothing, gj wasting your time with your shitty japanese courses m8

Jason Johnson
Jason Johnson

it's ok to stop posting when your act falls apart buddy

Christian Bennett
Christian Bennett

one year
fiddy kanji
it only took me three decades to learn japanese

Adrian Lee
Adrian Lee

If you defend a Japanese college course you're baiting, even if you genuinely believe it.

It's not about being faster than self study, it's about being stupidly slow compared to self study. You can learn Hiragana and Katakana on realkana.com within 5 hours if you try hard and basic grammar within another 10 hours with Tae Kim's guide if you try hard.

Isaiah Diaz
Isaiah Diaz

Well it's just 2 classes per week, or 2 and a half hours per week. Definitely not wasted, it was a fun departure from the boring classes.

I'm starting to realize this general has some hatred against Japanese courses. Bunch of poorfags?

Luis Ross
Luis Ross

mfw i capitalized hiragan and katakana
I'm disappointed in myself

Eh, it's that moeblob kind of funny if you get what I mean.

Mason Robinson
Mason Robinson

No one unnecessarily hated on college courses, some user just said you probably didn't learn shit from it, which is right. As you said it's more like a "fun departure from the boring classes" if anything.
You are the one that went full sperg making fun of others saying their methods are just slow as fuck and that they're jelly.

Brandon Turner
Brandon Turner

it's about being stupidly slow compared to self study
90% of my Japanese course was self study. You just go in there so the teacher makes sure you're on the right track + give written / oral exams, and then cram with notecards and audiobooks when you get home. It's still self study, just structured. And structure is what a lot of people need.

Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

You know that's not what self study means, and you undeniably learned slower doing college classes than if you had actually done self study for a year instead.

Sebastian Taylor
Sebastian Taylor

You could try Lilycle Rainbow Stage

Robert Campbell
Robert Campbell

and you undeniably learned slower doing college classes than if you had actually done self study for a year instead.
Definitely not true. There's no way I would have stayed up for hours every night crammed over thousands of notecards in anticipation for the next test, or done the 30+ pages of homework due every week. No fucking way I would have done that by myself.

Maybe some people have that kind of self discipline, but definitely not me.

Angel Bailey
Angel Bailey

Idk man I for one don't want to shit on other's learning methods since in the end it's impossible to tell which way woulda been best for each individual, but the things you mentioned earlier that you learned so far are pretty basic <1 month stuff.

Oliver Nelson
Oliver Nelson

Sounds like you studied retardedly.

Roughly how many words do you think you know after a year? How many kanji? What quantifiable tests have you passed?

Nathaniel Edwards
Nathaniel Edwards

I took six languages in high school, none of them past the second year. Basically used them as study halls that came with an A+.

Connor Foster
Connor Foster

thousands of notecards
know 50 kanji
This is what confuses me

Alexander Reed
Alexander Reed

Roughly how many words do you think you know after a year? How many kanji? What quantifiable tests have you passed?
Maybe 500 Japanese words, sentence structure, handwriting, speaking 1 on 1 with Japanese people (interns and the like) and guests and oral exams. I wish I had scans of the tests, they were no joke. I'd be interested in seeing how you anons would have done.

Easton Lewis
Easton Lewis

500 words

Literally below N5 level after a whole fucking YEAR.

Parker Lewis
Parker Lewis

Not that you have any obligation to prove anything, but if you do want to take a standardized test (or rather the closest thing to it we have) you could try taking J-Cat

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

We started moving on to Kanji towards the middle of the second semester. Reminder that we didn't just learn the kanji, we learned all the variants too. And thinking back, it was more like 80 Kanji, all in the span of about a month. A single kanji typically has 10+ different applications.

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

That's an absolute joke.

Most people here will manage 6k within their first year, and none of them will spend a single day going through thousands of note cards with what I can only assume are retarded boilerplate sentences you can spout at people treating you like a child.

Joseph Sullivan
Joseph Sullivan

over thousands of notecards
500 words

I'm finding it hard to trust your personal judgment of both your language skill and the rigor of your college course here, you're flipping over with every new post you make

Landon Adams
Landon Adams

You can do Core6k in less than a year at a rate of 20 words per day, user. That's 12 times the amount of words you've learned, at the cost of an hour a day of your time.

Benjamin Flores
Benjamin Flores

you could try taking J-Cat
Sure, as long as it's just a simple download.

Jayden Johnson
Jayden Johnson

80 kanji

LITERALLY BELOW N5 LEVEL

AFTER A WHOLE YEAR

Nathan Cook
Nathan Cook

80 kanji in a month, is less than 3 a day. What in the fuck were you doing? That's 10 minutes of work, tops.

Ethan Reyes
Ethan Reyes

Maybe 500 Japanese words
Doing Core 6k completely takes about half a year if you do 30 new cards a day. That's 6000 words verses your 500.
speaking 1 on 1 with Japanese people
This is the only positive thing that you've mentioned about your course.

Isaiah Perry
Isaiah Perry

A single kanji typically has 10+ different applications.
I love how you pointed that out like "you might not know, but heres how the japanese writing system works"
Do you know where you are?

Google it

Angel Baker
Angel Baker

not texthooking japanese closed captions

Cameron Cook
Cameron Cook

It's probably the kind of course where they make you memorize all the readings of 生and regurgitate them on a test lol.

Kayden Rodriguez
Kayden Rodriguez

80 kanji in a month
We weren't solely focused on Kanji, that was an aside in addition to the spoken / listening parts and grammar.

speaking 1 on 1 with Japanese people
Yeah the speaking part was a huge part of it. Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language. How you anons get this experience is beyond me, unless you take trips to Japan.

Aaron Williams
Aaron Williams

This, 80 kanji was something like 300 different readings and associated words.

I was way off on my estimate, it was a lot more than 500 words we learned. At least a few thousand.

Gabriel King
Gabriel King

Yeah the speaking part was a huge part of it. Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language. How you anons get this experience is beyond me, unless you take trips to Japan.
I'm only learning this language for visual novels and manga.

Xavier Bennett
Xavier Bennett

Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language
Only if you want to have conversations with people, which I'm going to make the wild guess that not too many people here are interested in. You can learn how to understand a language just fine from input only, and output can come after.

Juan Russell
Juan Russell

Just do JCAT and post your score already, it takes like 30 minutes.

Mason Edwards
Mason Edwards

We weren't solely focused on Kanji, that was an aside in addition to the spoken / listening parts and grammar.
You don't understand. 3 kanji a day is a joke, even if you have a fucking packed day where you spend 10 hours going over the differences between はand が. You've learned close to nothing.

Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language
It clearly worked out so well given you're below N5 tier after a year.

Oh, so now it's a few thousand? Here buddy, post your score.
http://jp.morpheem.com/text#!/estimate-intro

Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

I was way off on my estimate, it was a lot more than 500 words we learned. At least a few thousand.
now youre just fucking with us

go take jcat or something so we can laugh at you

Logan Baker
Logan Baker

Don't really agree with this at all. If you want to just be able to read VN or whatever, sure. But if you want to become fluent in a language you really have to spend time talking to people who speak it, which the course was able to offer for us.

Austin Cox
Austin Cox

After remembering all the readings of Kanji, it was a hell of a lot more than 500 in total words. How the fuck should I know how many in total it was? We learned a lot of words, many per day.

Isaac Collins
Isaac Collins

Regardless, it seems like you at least have a good enough base to start reading, so pick up a manga or LN/VN after you're done shitposting. Start a mining deck on Anki, too.

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language.
There are endless interviews, radio shows, and various other programs that offer off-the-cuff, casual speech in any kind of context you can imagine.
As for speaking, the vast majority of work perfecting pronunciation and sounding natural will come from listening, not from being critiqued by a teacher.
There's nothing magical about talking to someone face to face unless you have social anxiety. It's certainly useful, but not indispensable for achieving functional proficiency in a language.

Thomas Thompson
Thomas Thompson

Wanted to get some opinions on this. How valuable is Core if you're already good enough to read?

I stopped doing Core after like 5000 words, the reps were just too shitty. I still use Anki, but only for a kanji deck and the DOJG deck.

But I read in some other thread (on /jp/, I think) some guy talking about how he learned 30000 words from Anki decks and how essential it was for his advancement.

What do you guys think? Is death by anki worth the trouble?

Dominic Ward
Dominic Ward

That guy has shit taste, if you like cute yuri girls Hanahira is great

Logan Smith
Logan Smith

If you're good enough to read, mine. Anki is the best route to long-term retention.

Noah Carter
Noah Carter

Start a mining deck and keep the daily new cards low so you don't have to worry about a high amount of reps.

Jayden Martin
Jayden Martin

To be honest, you still absorb shit far better if you're doing the talking yourself, especially if they're long term acquaintances, in which case you'll naturally tune yourself to use similar patterns and mannerisms, even eventually acquiring some of the accent.
It doesn't work anywhere near as well if you're just a passive observer.

Joseph Gutierrez
Joseph Gutierrez

I agree with user, though. You can get better at speaking later, after your comprehension skills are good enough. It's not like training your native language speaking skills is not a thing.

Chase Nelson
Chase Nelson

Fluent means you can express yourself easily and articulately in the language, so yes, you do need to talk to others to become fluent.
I don't assume you have an immediate goal of fluency in mind when you refer to learning a language, though. Learning a language is a process and input is infinitely more valuable than output in that process. You could read books for a year before talking, and by then you would know enough to be able to properly convey something in Japanese to a native if you needed to.

Kevin Kelly
Kevin Kelly

アンディと楽しそうにおしゃべりしている陽子が憎らしいやらねたましいやらで、人と話していても上の空だった。

My mind was somewhere else when I was talking with people because I was mad at and jealous of Yoko, whom I saw talking happiy with Andy.

Isn't 陽子 the one who is jealous as indicated by が?

Juan Stewart
Juan Stewart

Just talk to a mirror. Even when I was bullshitting my way through Flyable Heart with a dictionary in hand, I read every sentence aloud to myself.
Having friends who you're confident speaking the language with is great, but I would contend that it's more of a confidence booster than anything.

Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

Adjectives like that generally mean the feeling is being directed at the subject, not coming from it.

Kayden Lewis
Kayden Lewis

It's the same use of が as ~が好き, ~が嫌い, ~が嬉しい, etc.

Andrew Ortiz
Andrew Ortiz

1. Be born Finnish so pronunciation is easy.
2. Watch anime so grammar is easy.
3. ???
4. Learn Japanese.

Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

be born Finnish

But on the other hand then you have to live with being a Mongolian half-breed.

Jason Stewart
Jason Stewart

ちゅ

だいすきだよ

Jose Diaz
Jose Diaz

1. Be born Finnish so pronunciation is easy.
Hah, no. Finnish people can't pronounce Japanese for shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZjGEje6hHw
Here's "Marutei Tsurunen", a Finnish guy who's been living in Japan since the 60s and through some magic got elected into the Diet of Japan, and he still sounds like shit.

Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

Global Rules
2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

Jackson Ramirez
Jackson Ramirez

What site do you use to read japanese at an adult level with a variety of topics?

Nathan Myers
Nathan Myers

futaba

Dylan James
Dylan James

/a/thread/142200873#p142212654

Well, did I?

Luke Parker
Luke Parker

did I do something wrong

No, it's not your fault you were born with a low IQ.

Brayden Johnson
Brayden Johnson

It is. Got some Korean friends here in Japan and they most often have a pretty good Japanese. They also told me that Japanese is easy to learn because the grammar is similar. Some of my Japanese friends who learn Korean told me the same.

I probably stop doing Core soon. Mining is better IMO. Doing both is ok I think.

日本経済新聞 http://www.nikkei.com/ for mining

Mason Butler
Mason Butler

no

just keep grinding and in a few days you will get it, whatever you do just dont become a lazy fuck like me and only hit again once regardless of if you remembered or not

Juan Hernandez
Juan Hernandez

Well damn

Benjamin Sullivan
Benjamin Sullivan

Wait that did not come clear, did you do that and regret or are you telling me to do that too?

Kevin Phillips
Kevin Phillips

new card or not
Let's not have this discussion again, please.

Charles Rogers
Charles Rogers

did you do that and regret

this

im not sure how that confused you

John Perry
John Perry

この本の内容はいかなる人間社会にも当てはまる一般的なものである。

この本の内容は
This book's contents are

いかなる人間社会
Any human society's

当てはまる
Applicable to

一般的なものである
General book.
Can someone please tell me how this sentence works? It havent been able to figure out how to parse it for 2 weeks straight (mind you i only saw it a few times though).

Luke Howard
Luke Howard

一般的なものである
General book.

It says it's a general thing, not a general book.

hell, I can't presume to be 100% sure, but I'd say it says something like "The contents of this book can generally be applied to any and all kinds of human society"

what is it? Some sort of preface to a textbook?

Ethan Harris
Ethan Harris

この本の内容は
The contents of this book
いかなる人間社会にも当てはまる
Apply to any kind of human society (sentence as adjective)
一般的なもの
General thing
である

To put it literally,
"The contents of this book are a general thing that applies to any kind of human society."
The word thing is pretty clumsy in English here though.

Jaxson Lewis
Jaxson Lewis

I heard about some addon but I'm using a mobile and can't afford a new comp so I'm not sure on how to go about it

Oliver Ross
Oliver Ross

ffs now i see it

Jose Walker
Jose Walker

代名詞「一般的なもの」は「内容」をあらわすんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

Gabriel Jackson
Gabriel Jackson

This looks like the prelude to an orgy.

Elijah Campbell
Elijah Campbell

Mining it is, then. Thanks.

Savage

Ryder Howard
Ryder Howard

yes, yes it does

Nathaniel White
Nathaniel White

投稿の英語も読んで下さい

Joseph Nelson
Joseph Nelson

When you mine from Nikkei, do you chop words up or memorize wholesale?

For example, what cards would you make for 季節調整済み?
One, or three?
(Or four?)

Luke Hernandez
Luke Hernandez

I decided to check out the "Making Sense of Japanese - What The Textbooks Don't Tell You" book from this image since I noticed it was in the CoR. Turns out it actually has a really good explanation of は vs. が in it.

Recommend checking it out if you're struggling with that. Haven't had chance to look through the rest of it yet, but I might do so later. It's not a big book, all in all (it covers a lot less than the DoJG series), but it seems like it has some good explanations for some of the trickier, more confusing aspects of the language.

Anthony Fisher
Anthony Fisher

You're not supposed to press again on new cards since you didn't actually fail anything. This is a controversial fact, judging by the shitstorm that occurred last thread.

Gabriel Perez
Gabriel Perez

Also the addon you're talking about is True Retention, but you can't use addons on the mobile versions of Anki.

Jordan Hall
Jordan Hall

I'm sorry guys I know no one wants to hear this shit but I finished hiragana and it's the first time I've not just abandoned this shit day two. I'm a bit excited.

Robert Gonzalez
Robert Gonzalez

So what methods do you guys use to memorize kanji readings?

I tried to learn some readings of the Kanji that would appear in my Kanji deck in Anki (I would just try to memorize the onyomi of those with a million kunyomi), but I eventually realized that learning readings through the core 2k/6k vocab deck worked out a lot better for me. But I'm curious to see what other methods people use for readings.

Gavin Williams
Gavin Williams

I didn't do my reps yesterday.

Help me.

Nathan Brooks
Nathan Brooks

So I just had a different mindset?
I was treating good as a success button and again as a try again until you achieve success button

Jonathan Lopez
Jonathan Lopez

they don't learn on or kun, they just learn the kanji as a full vocabulary word

Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

I've been treating the different instances as entirely different words without trying to associate the different readings with the kanji itself
Is that a bad habit?
I thought anki was fucking with me at first, having being shown the exact same kanji twice with no additional particles or kanji to tell them apart but still having different readings

Nicholas Morales
Nicholas Morales

I don't learn kanji individually either, I'm going through 6k and through knowing how a kanji is pronounced in a word I guess how it's pronounced in another.

Carter Turner
Carter Turner

BTW this method allowed me to guess the kana of 不動産屋, one of my proud achievements.

Alexander Hughes
Alexander Hughes

日本語を読めはするが話せはしない
(´・ω・`)

Michael Bennett
Michael Bennett

In my core2k deck I feel like I'm mixing up a lot of words that are similar in meaning (mostly the business/finance/government/etc. words) which causes me to get a lot more wrong than I should be getting.

Should I just suspend those cards because they don't matter or should I do something like put hints or even furigana on the front of the cards?

Jackson Bailey
Jackson Bailey

I was starting with Hiragana a few months back but got heavily sidetracked before I could tackle katakana. Now the old proverb of 'use it or lose it' has hit me hard and I forgot most hiragana. I can easily recover but what are some super simple reading resources for them so I can keep them fresh in my head?

John Anderson
John Anderson

To put it bluntly, that is a bad habit, yes.
Not knowing kanji individually has no upsides.
You'll have to check a dictionary every time you run into yojijukugo, and you'll be completely stuck on the meanings of constructed words (and their readings if they're simple and without furigana).

Dylan Smith
Dylan Smith

DJT shitposts

really though there's no way you can forget that shit if you regularly expose yourself to anything japanese, be it anime or learning resources or whatever

Jace Diaz
Jace Diaz

This is covered in the Intermediate section of the DoJG deck for anki. Everytime I see posts like that it makes me feel a little bad for the anons who so desperately claim that using anki for grammar is a waste of time.

Joseph Jones
Joseph Jones

No, don't suspend them. The only cards you should suspend are leeches, and if they are leeches anki will automatically suspend them at the appropriate time (assuming you are using default settings).

Sebastian Jackson
Sebastian Jackson

You sure? I watch my anime subbed so it's not like I'm seeing the actual symbols. I can remember what all the pronunciations are just fine they're easy enough, just not the symbols.

Matthew Lopez
Matthew Lopez

Just grind kana in realkana then start doing Core, you'll have to remember it out of necessity, if you don't you look the kana up, and so and so until they are cemented in your brain.

And like that guy said, if you have exposure you shouldn't forget it. I learned kana months before I actually decided I wanted to start studying.

Fuck those words so much, I have some of the economy words leeched and at this rate the government ones will be leeches too.

William Ramirez
William Ramirez

Why would you need to do an anki deck to learn this grammar? You realize DOJG has an index right?

Jack Foster
Jack Foster

well they do appear on multiple occasions in most high school related anime which is like 90% of anime

if you really want to make sure you don't forget kana just fucking read something, surely the fact you're learning them means there's something you want to use that knowledge for right

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

I came across that while reading a shoujo manga a few days ago, when a teacher was talking to the class about modern history. You'd be surprised how common these "useless" core words are.

Xavier Evans
Xavier Evans

if you don't hit again your new cards wont show up if you do a custom review

Charles Adams
Charles Adams

Of course. I Suppose it doesn't really matter if I'm reading something that has stuff beyond my current knowledge, so long as I'm looking at the kana and understanding it.

Lincoln Richardson
Lincoln Richardson

I'd stipulate that user is just retarded or a beginner, because I can remember what that grammar structure means without context and I've never touched the DOJG deck or the books.
Grammar has got to be the hardest thing out there to forget, look it up once and context or common sense should remind you the next time you see it.

Aaron Thompson
Aaron Thompson

if you procrastinate a lot like me then i suggest limiting your reviews to 25/50 or something so you do them all in small chunks over the course of the day instead of having to do them all in one go

Nicholas Flores
Nicholas Flores

I try to do the pomodoro thing with 5 minute breaks.

Camden Watson
Camden Watson

Khatz, please, don't you have cloned scam sites to be looking after?

Benjamin Nelson
Benjamin Nelson

"Review Forgotten Cards" is only supposed to show you the cards that you had trouble with, not every new card you learned that day. That wouldn't make much sense.

Adrian Bennett
Adrian Bennett

Good horse semen is fucking expensive.

Ian Wilson
Ian Wilson

meant to reply to

Chase Cruz
Chase Cruz

If you alter the text size to one of the smallest, like second smallest, it should be around a 1:1 for most light novels.

Tyler Roberts
Tyler Roberts

Are there scans of ハローキティの英語で紹介する日本 ?

Ayden Thomas
Ayden Thomas

How come something like "Breaking into Japanese Literature" isn't recommended for when you've finished Tae Kim/Genki/Imabi (and optionally Core2K) instead of Yotsubato?

Camden Johnson
Camden Johnson

よつばと! is pretty funny at times. Azuma has a solid sense of humour. Check out あずまんが大王 a bit down the line. A little more complex generally and has no furigana, but overall not textually dense.

Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

苺一会

Robert Wilson
Robert Wilson

just keeps on giving

Adam Bennett
Adam Bennett

change that ugly ass font

Isaiah Martin
Isaiah Martin

hating on Noto Sans
shut up you double nigger

Jackson Flores
Jackson Flores

Gee, I don't know. There is this combative asshole who keeps showing up here to stridently insist that LEARNING INDIVIDUAL KANJI MEANINGS IS STUPID AND AUTISTIC AND A WASTE OF TIME.

Of course, he never supplies any support for his assertion and simply ignores observations such as yours about how useful knowledge of individual characters can be when deconstructing free-form compounds, to name only one benefit.

"Learning how to learn" is a closed book to some people, I'm afraid.

Leo Cook
Leo Cook

私はそのサークルの中では最高学年なので後輩達から相談を受けたり,アドバイスなどをしてゲーム制作のプロジェクトがうまくいくようにサポートしています.

Is he the one giving or receiving the consultation? If he is the expert he should be giving the consultation, right?

Colton Reed
Colton Reed

That's what it has always done anyway, though.

Alexander Torres
Alexander Torres

Do you recommend this book user? It's only $13 so I'm thinking of buying a copy.

Cooper Cook
Cooper Cook

he gives consultation to yonger club members because he is the oldest among them.

Ryan Martinez
Ryan Martinez

I haven't used it yet, but it's on KAT for $0.00. Strangely it's not in the CoR.

Adam Rogers
Adam Rogers

相談を受ける means to be consulted

Eli Young
Eli Young

Ignoring the fact that you should be using Noto Sans CJK for East Asian characters, if that's supposed to be Noto Sans then your font rendering is seriously fucked up.

Here's what Noto Sans should look like.

Asher Thomas
Asher Thomas

後輩達から相談
I was consulted by my kouhai

Levi Moore
Levi Moore

You'll have to check a dictionary every time you run into yojijukugo, and you'll be completely stuck on the meanings of constructed words (and their readings if they're simple and without furigana).

I know most kanji individually and there are still enough words that aren't self-evident or have a hidden nuance that I often have to use a dictionary anyway

what it mostly does is make my guesses less retarded which helps in being able to look it up

Blake Lee
Blake Lee

This is from an example sentence from the Intermediate volume of the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar, ものだ entry, for those wondering.

Liam Campbell
Liam Campbell

Oh, I was planning to watch the anime for that some time, I watched a webm the other day of it and I was surprised that I could understand almost everything without looking at the subs, so I thought maybe I could watch it raw in a few months.

Luke Thomas
Luke Thomas

precisely. there is a deck called "8555 Japanese sentences" which is just a cumulation of all the sentences in DOJT all levels.

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

Because is it vastly more effective than looking shit up every time you come across it, user.

Ian Green
Ian Green

It is in the CoR.

Owen Rodriguez
Owen Rodriguez

So is there an order to these sentences in terms of difficulty level? I need to get my grammar up desperately but I always wondered how working grammar through Anki works.

Brayden King
Brayden King

What's it listed as? CTRL+F'ing for "breaking" gives 0 results.

Aiden Howard
Aiden Howard

grammar through Anki works.
it doesn't

Liam Jones
Liam Jones

Then I'll change my approach and just read up on whatever new kanji anki shows me
KanjiDamage, was it?
Only ever went this way because I can't make sense from the readings seemingly not following a clear rule on how to be read

Aiden Hill
Aiden Hill

yes, its in order of difficulty

ive found you need to ask questions and think about what you just read - be able to justify meaning with grammar rules

Charles Evans
Charles Evans

Ah, nevermind, I found it. There's a mega folder with that and some other readers listed as "Japanese Readers".

Logan Foster
Logan Foster

That deck is pretty notorious for lack of editing and lacks the notes which explains nuances. For example, by reading through the card for ものだ/ものである it provides an array of contextual usages and makes the sentences easier to comprehend for the most part. I think the original Japanese grammar dictionary project was borne by people wanting to edit the 8000~ sentence deck.

Give me sec and I'll check.

It does.

Nathaniel Myers
Nathaniel Myers

I got my first leech 23 days ago. What do I do with it? Unsuspend it now, make a leeches deck after getting some more?

Aiden Barnes
Aiden Barnes

That deck is pretty notorious for lack of editing
As is the DoJG deck. Even in the first few dozen cards there are a fair amount of errors.

Justin Roberts
Justin Roberts

You shouldn't autosuspend leeches like Anki does by default, you should set them to tag only and then give them a little special attention to make sure you learn them.

Eli Johnson
Eli Johnson

I've been using anki for years and I have like 300 leeches total. Personally I just accept them as words I will have to see in context a bunch of times to learn, I don't think unsuspending them is productive.

Asher Evans
Asher Evans

http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6366

Thoughts?

John Rivera
John Rivera

Read like first 5 lines. He's pretty much saying read VNs to get fluent

Ryder Fisher
Ryder Fisher

There are just no actual rules about what reading is applicable in any given situation; there are always many exceptions. That is not to say that simply because there exist exceptions to a pattern that to learn the pattern is useless. Guidelines can serve you well about 90% of the time.

I know my kanji better than the locals and I still make mistakes with unfamiliar compounds: apply 連濁 when there is none, use a 漢音 instead of a 呉音 in a Buddhist word, fail to recognise an 熟字訓読み usage like 鳳梨 (not ほうり, but パイナップル)... Even educated Japanese can't determine with certainty if 誘う is to be read as さそう or いざなう.

Elijah Bennett
Elijah Bennett

Seems pretty reasonable. He hits a lot of the same notes as /djt/.

Andrew Murphy
Andrew Murphy

© Phi-Staszek
get a load of this blowhard

Hunter Jones
Hunter Jones

You're paying for the pedigree

Logan Bennett
Logan Bennett

It's his intellectual property. Are you some kind of communist?

Nicholas Bell
Nicholas Bell

ha

Lucas Anderson
Lucas Anderson

I'm not sure, but I think Read Real Japanese might be easier than that one. My problem with RRJ was too much new vocabulary, even after finishing Core5k and 2 VNs. I gave up after 2 stories, but I'd like to go back and finish it someday.

Cameron Ward
Cameron Ward

slightly thicker lines
seriously fucked up
wew lad

William Ross
William Ross

More like distorted shapes and chunks of his characters being missing. Look at ああ in the example sentence.

John Martinez
John Martinez

L-R , in a nutshell, is "listen to L2 while reading L1" where L2=language you want to learn and L1=a language you are fluent in. Essentially, you get a Japanese audiobook of whatever book, and read the english book alongside it. Any "parallel text" reader with audio can also be used for this.

(If you're going to say "isn't that like watching subbed anime?", you're right, but she insists that subbed anime is not effective primarily because there's not enough volume of text.)

I'm sure there's some merit to the method, but, unfortunately, shimotteiku (also known as Ada or something) is a fucking autist.

when someone asks for details on how to make it work for them, she usually attacks that person, calling them stupid or close-minded.

when pressed for proof about her many claims, she says it's the technique of some 85-year-old polish polyglot who has mastered 36 languages to native fluency, but whose name will be revealed only to those who she deems worthy (i.e., nobody).

Aaron Foster
Aaron Foster

Same man. Just finished the first half of the second volume. Really funny and interesting read. I can see why nobody has translated it though.

Levi Cox
Levi Cox

The thing is I haven't seen any guidelines be it in anki or TK
Might be because I just got started, I'll take your advice to heart

Ayden Ward
Ayden Ward

its on Noto Sans CJK JP DemiLight
cleartype is on
and i dont see much difference to care

Dylan Brooks
Dylan Brooks

I can't see any difference in any of the pics anyone sent, maybe one is more stylish than the other and that's it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If one makes the kanji chinese though, that's another matter and actually important.

I mean look at now that's a shitty font but you can still read it, except that thing that according to google translate handwriting recognition is a な

Chase Carter
Chase Carter

she insists that subbed anime is not effective primarily because there's not enough volume of text
There is when you watch enough of it

Lincoln Sanchez
Lincoln Sanchez

Neck yourself redditor

Kill yourself dead

Wyatt Miller
Wyatt Miller

I can see why nobody has translated it though.

why? is it too hard?

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

I have never seen any guidelines in any of the materials I used to use, so it's possible that no one ever made an earnest attempt at creating them. If that's true, I think I could make a respectable attempt at systematising my experience into some clearly expressible, ordered rules.

Although, outside of advice like:

"If it looks like a Buddhist term, use a 呉音 (e.g.; 経: きょう instead of the usual けい, 益: やく instead of えき)", the most useful bit of advice is still:

"If you can identify okurigana, use a kun'yomi. If not, use an on'yomi".

Jack Jackson
Jack Jackson

Please respond

Thomas Garcia
Thomas Garcia

isn't Monogatari basically an audiobook with pictures

Brody Bennett
Brody Bennett

It takes a very competent writer to get the nuances across. That's too much for the low IQ Chinks and BRs in the LN translation scene.

Jace Price
Jace Price

ご興味ある方いらっしゃましたら、早朝の丸の内のカフェでテーマを決めて、事前に自分の意見を
纏めてきて当日英語で議論をする形式で一緒に英語を勉強しましょう。

If you are interested, lets learn english together with this system: decide on a topic early in the morning at cafe in marunouchi, before the fact gather your opinions and on a appointed day discuss in english.
あるテーマにしたがって、それぞれの英語で考えた意見を披露しあうだけでも、勉強になるかと思います。

Following the theme, if only to express various opinions in english, i think it would be good study.

Why would you meet at a cafe to decide a theme, schedule a separate day to discuss, then take time to collect your thoughts? Am i comprehending this wrong?

Chase Miller
Chase Miller

宗教の勧誘だよそれは

Camden Ward
Camden Ward

meet at cafe to decide on the theme for the discussion
go home and figure out what you want to discuss about the theme in english
meet again later to have the discussion

Juan Davis
Juan Davis

I'm going to learn japanese and become a professional interpreter!

What are you going to do once you're a master at japanese /a/non?

Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

Dies Irae.

Jacob Richardson
Jacob Richardson

You just got memed.

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

you haven't been exposing yourself to japanese handwriting or fonts enough if you can't tell that's a な at first glance, there's nothing else it could be
that font is honestly not bad at all

makes the kanji chinese
how is this possible, they're different sets of unicode characters aren't they

Jackson Ward
Jackson Ward

Make fun of EOPs.

Joseph Brooks
Joseph Brooks

おにいちゃんおなかすいた

めだまやきたべよ

Justin Reed
Justin Reed

What are you going to do once you're a master at japanese /a/non?

move to japan and start my career in the light novel industry

already have everything for it planned out in my head

Nathaniel Reed
Nathaniel Reed

このちんぽたべて

Eli Collins
Eli Collins

食べたいんなら爪を食べなさい

Adam Reyes
Adam Reyes

I only study using small seal script fonts. Get on my level, or commit sudoku, niggers.

Oh, and just for fun, twenty and a half Internet Points to whomever can read what I wrote in pic-related.

Charles Sullivan
Charles Sullivan

According to MAL, I've watched over 60 days worth of anime, and the only real advantage I got from it was having a few "ahhh, so that's what that means" moments when reading through Tae Kim. Basically, I had picked up what various bits of grammar sounded like but had no idea what they actually meant. I had also accumulated a small vocabulary. I was nowhere close to even intermediate level though, let alone fluency, as a result.

Gives me serious doubts about the effectiveness of that person's method. Maybe it's better if you're actively trying to learn the language though, rather than just passively listening to it like I was. I don't see how you could hope to learn anything that way without at least having read a basic grammar guide though.

Jaxon Wright
Jaxon Wright

Wouldn't actually be that hard if it wasn't also in 旧字体 and classical Japanese

John Wright
John Wright

60 days
There's your problem

I'm at 454 days

John Bell
John Bell

How is that even possible? I've apparently watched ~250 anime to get to that 60+ day figure.

If you are to be believed, then you must've watched around 1900 shows, which I seriously doubt.

Robert Williams
Robert Williams

1年間過ぎもすてちゃった

Angel Gutierrez
Angel Gutierrez

Hi fin

Gavin Jones
Gavin Jones

Ain't no shinjitai or gendaigo when 篆書 be tearing shit up, yo!

Alexander Thomas
Alexander Thomas

Dude I don't know fuckall kanji and passed N5 easily. The romaji is with it.

Luke Moore
Luke Moore

See picture

Hi

William Long
William Long

romaji

Xavier Peterson
Xavier Peterson

I'll try both ways and you can't stop me

Ayden Evans
Ayden Evans

What le fug man

How many of those did you actually complete? How good is your Japanese?

Levi Powell
Levi Powell

きゅうじたいじゃないよ

てんしょ
  篆書   っていうんだとおもうよ

よくある、いんかんのもじだよ

篆書は印鑑屋さんくらいしかつかわないとおもうよ

Liam Reyes
Liam Reyes

蟲とか普通新字体で使わないだろ?
「蟲師」以外で

Gavin Morgan
Gavin Morgan

I'll try both ways and you can't stop me
Naw dude making your own decisions is cool, it's just the "learning kanji through vocab means you don't learn kanji" idea that's a meme

Leo Scott
Leo Scott

I don't add anything I didn't finish watching, except for long series that are still airing like One Piece.

How good is your Japanese?
Good enough to watch anything I want while understanding 99% of it usually. I'm a lazy fuck so my kanji knowledge is probably enough to pass N3, maybe N2 if I'm lucky

Kevin Cooper
Kevin Cooper

What are the hardest anime? The anime equivalent of Dies Irae?

Gabriel Scott
Gabriel Scott

So what did you actually do to learn? Just watch fuck loads of anime? Or did you do other stuff too?

Aiden Moore
Aiden Moore

日本人と話してることある?

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

Watching 5
pfff casual

Parker Bailey
Parker Bailey

Lol

Ryder King
Ryder King

Despite basic vocabulary Teekyuu shits on beginners hard

Anime for ~5 years until I realised I understood a lot of it without subs. Then learnt kana and started watching and chatting with streamers on niconico for a few years. Then used anki to learn like 100 kanji, gave up, started core deck later, gave up, restarted core deck again a year ago and gave up after 2k words. Since then I've read two VNs all the way and part of the way through a dozen VNs

粗毎日日本人の友達とチャットしてる

Ryder Wright
Ryder Wright

https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialEngineering/comments/2k068s/how_would_you_go_about_getting_a_flight_upgrade/

年間5万マイル以上貯まるほど飛行機を使っているという iOwn さん。まずは搭乗の約48時間を過ぎると、航空会社から「ビジネスクラスにアップグレードができる」とのメールが送られてくるのだとか

how does the を過ぎる structure work? The meaning of 48時間を過ぎると is apparently 48 hours before boarding but isnt 過ぎる to be 48 after boarding?

Gavin Sullivan
Gavin Sullivan

whoa

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

Congrats you overfilter to preserve your safe space now fuck off.

Cooper Harris
Cooper Harris

焉(いずく)んぞ高尚なる蟲螻(むしけら)斯(か)かる書体解読せられざらん哉(かな)。

だよ。懸かるのほうがちゅうにっぽいきがするし、こういう文では句読点は打たないことになってるんだけどどうなってるんだろ

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

~を過ぎる means to pass a point. Conceptually, you are moving towards the boarding time, because time really only flows one way. Thus, that structure can only be interpreted one way.

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

Not fucking bad at all, user!

Just two misses:

高尚 -> 無学
哉: や

Give the next sentence a try? There are some dekirus here after all, goddamn...

Connor Torres
Connor Torres

replying to imouto in English
truly you are the dekinai

Oliver Thomas
Oliver Thomas

Is there a way in Anki to view how many cards in a deck you've seen so far?

Anthony Mitchell
Anthony Mitchell

The いずくんぞ~ structure ends in 未然形+ん+反語の「や」, so the reading of 哉 is unambiguous and cannot be かな.

Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis

I'm at 164 days of anime and my Japanese is shit. Maybe I'm the exception, but I don't believe watching subbed anime teaches you anything.

William Sullivan
William Sullivan

We wouldn't want to make the EOPs feel unwelcome, would we?

Jonathan Adams
Jonathan Adams

I mean given that you're talking to someone fluent in Japanese and mediocre at English you're pretty much just talking to yourself but okay.

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

Finfag knows English.

In Anki desktop: select a deck then press Shift+S. This brings up the statistics graph (alternatively press the button to the right of "Browse", to the direct left of the sync button) where you can see this information. It is at the bottom of the generated page, in the form of a pie chart. Add up the Mature and Young+learn cards, this is your total number of seen cards in that given deck.

Jeremiah Lee
Jeremiah Lee

I think an exception are the people who really think it's effective.

How I see it, yes, you will get used to common phrases, but even them you start to understand only after learning the meaning elsewhere. It'll be an "aha moment" where you remember you had heard the thing often but only now truly understood it. After reading a text book.

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

well the thing is, you have to be actively listening, consciously matching sounds to meaning, with the intent to learn. it's not some passive process that occurs automatically while you're watching shows.

Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

Finfag knows English.
I think the only people who imouto=fin are those who aren't good enough at Japanese to read imouto's posts.

Carson Cruz
Carson Cruz

下は

然(しか)らば即刻(そっこく)其(そ)の羞(はじ)を抱(いだ)き専ら観念し憤死(ふんし)為る可(か)し

なのかな、あたしにはよくわかんない

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

I think the only people who think that avatar shitposter is Japanese are people who have not spent any time conversing with Japanese people online.

Tyler White
Tyler White

This meme again? I suppose you also think all the japan flags in /int/ are english teachers? And of course you aren't good enough at Japanese to post in Japanese yourself, you just know because you used hellotalk once or twice.

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

専ら -> 乍ら(ながら)
憤死 -> 縊死 (いし)
可(か)し -> 可(べ)し

…を除いて大体解っているよ!

Jacob Davis
Jacob Davis

This meme again?
Not everyone who disagrees with you is meming, you fucking sperg.

And of course you aren't good enough at Japanese to post in Japanese yourself, you just know because you used hellotalk once or twice.
Stop projecting.

Jaxson Young
Jaxson Young

Whoever it is was good enough to read almost everything I wrote even though I made it as difficult as possible by using uncommon kanji, kyuujitai and even classical grammar. Imouto is no casual.

Charles Myers
Charles Myers

Whoever it is was good enough to read almost everything I wrote
Dunning Krueger.
You aren't remotely as proficient as you think you are.

Adam Richardson
Adam Richardson

縊死(いし):くびつりのこと

そんなことばはじめてきいたよ

Justin Garcia
Justin Garcia

そもそも21世紀の外人が正しい古語書けるわけないだろ

Ryan Martin
Ryan Martin

anons aren't capable of using a search engine when they come to Sup Forums
I'd say you're desperate to hold onto your idealism by this point. Let me guess, you desperately want the imouto poster to be a native so it makes you feel better about your own abilities?

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

Dunning Krueger.

How to stop a redditfag.

Zachary Baker
Zachary Baker

Trolling outside of /b/ is against the rules.

Brayden Gomez
Brayden Gomez

Nice digits.
Feel free to look up what it is as you were demonstrating it perfectly.
I don't care about your reddit boogyman.

Jonathan Howard
Jonathan Howard

I know more than you; of that I have no doubt.

But then, even if I were not, it would still be possible to deliberately obfuscate the text such that even a person well-versed in the necessary grammar, vocabulary, and script would still have a hard time with it.

Ayden Nelson
Ayden Nelson

This isn't your safespace. Having to read things which make you feel uncomfortable isn't trolling, you fucking manchild.

I know more than you; of that I have no doubt.
You have no idea yet you claim otherwise. If this isn't desperation I don't know what it.
Whatever makes you sleep easier, user. Stay in that bubble and lack onto anything that makes its way through the membrane.

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

You really think a text-hooker or OCR software could pick up kyuujitai seal script? Okay, tard. Go eat your pudding cup.

Jaxson Reed
Jaxson Reed

I thought X was hard therefore it is.
The standard I judge my own level at is higher than everyone else therefore anyone else who understands must be higher than everyone else

Nigger, that's Dunning-Krueger in a nutshell.

You really think it's fucking hard to look things up with Google?
Okay, tard. Go eat your pudding cup.
Stay extremely insecure about your own abilities, user.

Evan Davis
Evan Davis

Report and ignore

Adam Bennett
Adam Bennett

I wrote perfect correct sentences. If you can't pick out an error (you can't), then my abilities have been demonstrated while you cannot offer the slightest modicum of counter-evidence.

So, by all means, if you really believe you know more than me, prove it, bitch.

William Watson
William Watson

はじめてみたっていったけど

たぶんみたことはあったんだとおもうよ

あくたがわだったらたぶん旧字でよんでるから

Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

I wrote perfect correct sentences
Not him but honestly I doubt it. Even if it is grammatically correct, 古文 spans a long ass time and the language changed significantly over that time period, which means unless you have a PhD in classical Japanese I strongly doubt they are "correct". Obviously the guy you're talking to knows nothing though.

Adam Martin
Adam Martin

縊死は旧字じゃないよ
エロゲー(難しい方)とかでたまに出るし

Liam Diaz
Liam Diaz

Just leave Imouto the fuck alone, you creeps.

Jace Perez
Jace Perez

DJT is pretty negative tonight, I'll be back in morning.

Hopefully you guys will be in a better mood then.

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

It's certainly true that 古文 has a long continuum, but my knowledge is sufficient that I won't do anything stupid like combine Nara and Heian-period grammar.

PhD, no, but I'd bet a testicle that those sentences are without errors.

That said, if I did make an error and someone can show it to me and explain why it is erroneous, I would love to read it. I prefer to have my mistakes pointed out so I do not repeat them.

Brody Myers
Brody Myers

pls
how can you leave him be when hes apparently always starving, filthy and bored
also poor

Ian Ortiz
Ian Ortiz

i remember this time when someone posted a video and he immediately (<2min after the video was linked) identifies the speaker as korean strictly by their accent. that's not enough time to google stalk a person so i'm going with "this is a native speaker"

honestly i'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that out of a nation of 120 million nips, one managed to find his way to our board and thread.

Chase Brooks
Chase Brooks

文の終わりには付いた「じゃない」か「じゃん」がまだよく分からないの。

Nicholas Robinson
Nicholas Robinson

Have you pretty much read all the standards of kobun? Why did you get into it? Are you fluent in standard japanese?

but I'd bet a testicle that those sentences are without errors.
Again maybe grammatically but I just think that, like saying you can speak latin, saying you can write kobun is とんだ傲慢 if you get my feel, if you're judging it by the standard of "A normal person from X era of Japanese several hundred years ago would think it sounds natural"

Xavier Roberts
Xavier Roberts

>>142223422
大丈夫?

Sebastian Evans
Sebastian Evans

>>142223422
That was quick

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

If you're a fan of 星界シリーズ - whatever you do, don't read 星界の断章.
It reads like those greentexts that seem interesting but then devolve into lochness monster/spaghetti/john cena/song lyrics. How the fuck did editors even let this kind of trash through, god fucking damn it.

Liam Ross
Liam Ross

えっ?同じじゃないの?

Nicholas Evans
Nicholas Evans

同じって当然ながら一つも分からないね

Ryder Scott
Ryder Scott

Those eagles, smug as fuck.

Anthony Thomas
Anthony Thomas

Gintama is the hardest animay i have watched yet

Luke Myers
Luke Myers

Anyone?

Lucas Howard
Lucas Howard

I don't know how you can relate french people to anything gay

Really?

Levi Wright
Levi Wright

Germany isn't an island.

Gabriel Taylor
Gabriel Taylor

All true, and I would not consider myself an expert, but rather a competent amateur.

Of course, there is simply no way to determine with any real confidence whether or not a given sentence in kobun, constructed by a modern speaker, would reasonably be thought "natural" by a person of some ancient era, simply because there does not exist a single person who can make that call -- someone who actually lived during that era and somehow continues to draw breath even now.

An extreme example of this would be Classical Chinese. While the vocabulary and grammar are fairly well-understood, no one, not the most 通暁 motherfucker out there, could possibly even make good guesses about how it would have been vocalised by Mencius.

I got into it largely because I believed it would greatly enhance my studies of modern Japanese. I had been encountering too many seemingly-illogical exceptions for my comfort, so I thought I'd get a good grounding in formal/Classical grammar and see if that helped.

It did, a lot. If you're here trying to learn modern Japanese, you would do yourself a huge favour by supplementing your studies with Classical once you've reached at least an intermediate level of competence.

Samuel Cox
Samuel Cox

買っとる is "bought", right? I just saw it a moment ago, where a girl her grandfather if he bought a book, and he said 「買っとる」. It seems like "bought", but I wanted to double check and look it up, and I can't find anything on it, not even on Tae Kim's site. I want to say it's the same as 買っておる, but that seems like present tense.

Can anyone help me out here? Just pointing me to a place that explains it is fine, or if it's on Tae Kim's site. It probably is somewhere, but damned if I can find it.

Wyatt Stewart
Wyatt Stewart

tfw laying in bed just listening to the bible in Japanese.

Good late night listening.

Bentley Allen
Bentley Allen

If you're here trying to learn modern Japanese, you would do yourself a huge favour by supplementing your studies with Classical once you've reached at least an intermediate level of competence.

What book(s) do you recommend?

Dylan Bell
Dylan Bell

in all the time you wasted trying to look up something you already guessed the meaning of, you could've learned like 5 other actually useful things

Isaiah Powell
Isaiah Powell

居る (おる) is just another way of saying 居る(いる), but used by older people.

買っとる is a contraction of 買っておる, just as 買ってる is a contraction of 買っている. They are semantically identical. He bought the book and still has it.

Adrian James
Adrian James

Yes, it's 買っておる. All old people seem to use おる, at least in manga.

Austin Wilson
Austin Wilson

Classical Japanese: A Grammar by Haruo Shirane is a superb book to start you off.

Jose Howard
Jose Howard

Different guy but isn't to o ru just an older way of sayong teiru? Im on mobile sorry for romaji.

I always get the save it for later tense confused with the old form of teiru

Jacob King
Jacob King

Yeah, that's what I thought, though why isn't it 買った? Seeing it not end in た is what threw me since it was past tense.

I like to know how grammar works. Imagine that.

Justin Hughes
Justin Hughes

It is the same as 買っておる
Don't get worked up about present tense. て form implies a sequence of actions, so that does not mean he is currently in the process of buying a book, it means he has bought and already owns that book. You see the same thing in phrases like 来ている

Nathan Kelly
Nathan Kelly

I'm at 80 days and I can vouch that I can possibly watch and understand anything without subs. Also, I'm supposed to take the N2 exam this July.

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

It did, a lot. If you're here trying to learn modern Japanese, you would do yourself a huge favour by supplementing your studies with Classical once you've reached at least an intermediate level of competence.

I learned the basics but I don't think it made much of a difference in terms of modern japanese desu. The main difference is just being happier with a few things that appear in proverbs and such, but realy

Not that it's a bad thing to learn anyway, but it definitely isn't the fastest way to modern fluency.

Christian Howard
Christian Howard

I requested it from my uni library, cheers,

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

Any scans of it out there?

Jaxson Russell
Jaxson Russell

Back at you, user.

Alexander Clark
Alexander Clark

I've never understood that one either. 見とる is "looking", 見とった is "looked", so I'm not sure why 買っとる is "bought" when it seems like it should be "am going to buy/am buying". I'd think it should be 買とった.

Carson Price
Carson Price

3/10

Joshua Ross
Joshua Ross

That's 見取る, which is not related at all to the おる in 買っておる. That おる is another way of saying 居る.
買とった makes no sense.

Tyler Walker
Tyler Walker

Ignore the おる fancy stuff it's the same in standard japanese
ている can often be used for continuous states for an event that happened in the past, like 結婚している for "to be married". It doesn't mean you're literally at your wedding, it just means you're married.

買ってる is being used in the same way. Using something like もう makes it unambiguous as well もう買ってるよ "I've already bought it"

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

Yeah. You are confusing two entirely different verbs.

Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

There are certain cases where an enduring state doesn't translate into the progressive form. In fact, there is an ambiguity in whether one is in a state of doing an action versus being in a state that resulted from some action. This is usually decided by context and common practices. For example, although 「結婚している」 can technically mean someone is in a chapel currently getting married, it is usually used to refer to someone who is already married and is currently in that married state. We'll now discuss some common verbs that often cause this type of confusion for learners of Japanese.

Lincoln Jackson
Lincoln Jackson

That's 見取る

No, it's a Kansai-ben thing. http://kansaibenkyou.net/node/331

Gavin Johnson
Gavin Johnson

like 結婚している for "to be married"

Oh yeah, I remember reading about that. Took me a second, but I see what you mean, 結婚した could imply was married, but no longer.

This is usually decided by context and common practices

Figures. I like Japanese, but it's a vague as fuck language (except the rare occasion when it's ridiculously specific).

Eli Lewis
Eli Lewis

Oh, well that's just 見ておる too and isn't different than 買っておる at all.
You're just confused about how the て form works. Saying 買っておった would sound weird in that context, because it seems to imply you don't have the thing you bought anymore. You'd be turning the state of having bought it into past tense as well.

Logan Sullivan
Logan Sullivan

but it's a vague as fuck language

I don't think that explanation really does it justice (I ripped it off of tae kim), I've definitely read much more detailed descriptions of what constitutes the state of being and what constitutes the state of action before, I just can't remember where

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

time to play my favorite 独身ゲーム、匂いの探す

Jacob Diaz
Jacob Diaz

脱肛の香りが好きだろう?

Julian Ward
Julian Ward

anki gets up to heaps of political words that all sound the same and I don't even really understand properly in English no, I'm not ESL

I guess I really can't learn Japanese.

Jason Phillips
Jason Phillips

So go look up the unfamiliar terms and gain knowledge about politics as well.

Tyler Jenkins
Tyler Jenkins

Core is garbage

Mason Campbell
Mason Campbell

Just like you don't really understand the English words properly, many Japanese probably don't really understand the Japanese words properly. All that really matters while reading is recognizing that it's a political [something] (building, system, ideology, etc.).

Brody Fisher
Brody Fisher

you don't even need words to learn japanese what are you wasting your time on

just crack open a dictionary and start trudging your way through an anime book

Andrew Gomez
Andrew Gomez

政府、政治、候補, 議員 and so on? I just passed them a while ago, they're not that difficult if you memorize the readings since a lot of them use same kanji and when you can sound out the word the meaning is pretty easy to decipher.

James Powell
James Powell

関西言葉だと

みとるで

って、で、がおしりにくっつくことがおおいんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

Nolan Russell
Nolan Russell

いもうとのおしりにくっつきたい

Matthew Turner
Matthew Turner

Alright, I'll just confess that I'm kind of a noob around here, but can someone tell me what the deal is with imouto? Is he/she a native that hangs around here for some reason?

Hudson Reyes
Hudson Reyes

I just checked out KanjiDamage and I really liked his approach over anki and intend to use both for now but fucking hell, how dank can one man try to be? The whole thing sounds straight out of Sup Forums

Evan Parker
Evan Parker

Only some guy pretending to be.

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

If you like KD's style, just use RTK instead. The KD douche just ripped it off without attribution, fucked it up by changing many perfectly good mnemonics to complete nonsense and then presented it with enough bro語 to turn my shirt pink and pop my collar through TCP/IP.

Matthew Turner
Matthew Turner

Does he actually know enough to do so convincingly?

Asher Walker
Asher Walker

Like everything else that's pretty controversial, but yeah, he's an avatar shitposter who posts in Japanese and doesn't seem to read a lick of English anyone here writes.

Christian Lopez
Christian Lopez

Where is this girl from? I've been seeing her outside of Sup Forums every time someone brings learning japanese.

Landon Gutierrez
Landon Gutierrez

I love all the personalities generals tend to produce. They should really adopt a trip and while we're at it we could implement a forced account system on Sup Forums. I'm sure nobody will mind.

Kayden Hughes
Kayden Hughes

mascot for not being able to learn japanese

Oliver Walker
Oliver Walker

How long have you been studying Japanese, user? I studied a year and a half but slowly stopped practicing due to work/life issues. Now I finally have some me time and am getting back into it, but feel a little bad that I already put in 18 months and forgot most of it.

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

What's her name?

Carter Williams
Carter Williams

出来ないちゃん

Daniel Taylor
Daniel Taylor

Is there any overlap between the So-matome kanji and goi?

Caleb Howard
Caleb Howard

Close to 8 months now, with essentially no exposure to it before that.
I'm more or less satisfied with my progress since I can really understand the LN I'm reading when I put my mind to it. Vocabulary is a bit tight but I'm not a fan of core so I'd rather read with jisho and maybe start a mining deck sometime.

James Lopez
James Lopez

I know a few of those Kana

Juan Butler
Juan Butler

what is that sean connery movie?

Ian Walker
Ian Walker

I iust read about them again in the guide
Not introducing the readings as it goes is a huge let down, I intend to use the newly learned kanji to pratice grammar thqt I also just got started into
As much as everything about KD screams faggot I'll likely do better with it

Camden Martin
Camden Martin

Either a native or a chinese/korean who has lived in Japan most of his life.

Isaiah Gonzalez
Isaiah Gonzalez

You need to be neuro-atypical to benefit significantly from watching english-subbed anime. For me, I'm batshit autistic, so I literally learned grammar from anime, despite having terrible vocab.

Luke Young
Luke Young

How can you learn grammar from listening to anime?

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