Interested in the science behind nofap.
Just the other day I saw a photo post by some Norwegian (Some Nordic country guy), regarding his speculations. Basically he stated that test is more of a transport hormone, and that nofap increased the sensitivity of androgen receptors. I'm interested in studying this more so if anyone could find the graphic would be grateful, thank you.
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Most ancient cultures were very concerned with wasting semen which was considered to deplete their fitness and all the findings behind nofap basically prove them right. Remember people tradition is actually the result of thousands of years of personal experiences. Too bad we gave up so much stuff taken for granted by our ancestors because of "enlightenment".
I tried no fap and no porn.
Last fap i had was monday and i naileda chick on thursday.
Today i have fapped 4 times and one was to porn.
Help me.
dunno, let your nails grow so much that you won't be able to jerk off
>Interested in the science behind nofap
Just be more conscientious.
I did some research and have come to realisation that i am addicted to pornography and it has altered what turns me on including my sexual orientation.
I'm still going to fight it but fuck its hard.
take up classical guitar if you need a hobby you could use as an excuse for long nails
nofap is so 2012. everyone who tries it eventually realizes it does very little to nothing. you will too
I've experienced no difference.
It's another bullshit placebo.
Yeah i thought about taking up some hobby.
I'm in the process of joining the army and training takes 3 months so will try to quit then.
No fap is self control, then release when nature intends for it (into a woman). If you jerk it 3-8 times a day, you'll not be able to finish in a woman, and eventually need stronger doses of porn to recover. A woman that senses you cannot finish with her will eventually leave you to get the satisfaction of getting a man off.
Trust me on this.
it can be based
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good luck
>No fap is self control
it is supposed to be the hardest to master, according to the buddha
i think it only makes sense in the context of trying to get rid of vices in general, otherwise the need for shortcuts to pleasure will find another stupid release
Yeah. If Buddah said it, it's probably a good idea. Trust me on the finishing with a woman. No fap is indeed beneficial.
I haven't fapped for 2 months in a row earlier this year, nothing changed except eventually making me not care about sex at all. It's a psiop to drive birth rates down even more.
I definitely get more shouty and angry after a few days, but also less tired
Porn isn’t great but studio porn is pure evil
>3-8 times a day
>Not able to finish
Takes me three minutes max anymore. I can't last long, and I can't get very hard anymore. Really makes me depressed.
Tried nofap and didn't get much change.
i think the problem is doing this in isolation
the original - religious - goal was probably to make people derive pleasure from productive and prosocial activities
if you replace fapping with, say, video games or another kind of distraction, as we typically do with vices to reduce stress, it's not that beneficial
It's a great gateway into getting rid of other vices. I've been abstaining for 2 weeks now and I feel great, and I've also given up sugary soda (I'll have a diet soda every few days). Also kicking smoking to the curb.
Apparently fapping regularly is bad for your health due to vitamin loss and the constant hormonal alterations it induces.
I should mention novidya is a big step too. You're a grown up now. Would you spend several hours a day watching a movie? Hell no, that's just overindulgent. Same with vidya.
you have the right idea
So, here's what I've learned, and maybe I can impart some knowledge since I'm old. The things affecting hardness/longevity/frequency are:
1. fap vs no fap
2. age
3. fitness level
4. diet
You can't fix age, but the other 3 you can. Fix the other three. Keep BMI within 20%. Work out 6 days a week - cardio and some lifting. Stay away from red meat; eat more fish and veggies.
Give it 2-3 months after becoming really healthy. All while trying to stop fap.
>i naileda chick on thursday.
>pornography and it has altered what turns me on including my sexual orientation.
so you were gay before but porn made you straight? I don't see the problem here
>Current Pecker Status: Full Attention
>Current Procedure: Resistance
>Probability of Success:
So no fap actually comes from sports where coaches would tell the team not to fap thinking that the sexual drive would make them better athletes. Turns out that the real reason coaches said no fap was to make it easier for them to have sex with these underage boys by putting them in a constant state of horniness.
Not true, the added energy that comes from a change in attitude on sex and you don't feel like every glance at the opposite sex could end up with sex is capanle of birthing a new person... then you murder that person and shove it's body in the subconscious when you prove to yourself you're an asshole when you fail after a few weeks, and again and again until your mind deletes this kind confidence and joy.
listen to the degeneracy song
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nofap makes me want to camwhore even more
But it does make you a better athlete, you just don't gas out. First time I heard of nofap was from a wrestler friend in high school, I was complaining of being tired all the time, he made the suggestion because he can't train worth a shit if he faps.
BMI is ~10%, I do loads of cardio. Eat lots of fhis, but still eat steak and potatoes three times a week.
I was in the army and scored 300 on my APFT. Even during that time I've had this problem. It's been going on since high school.
Ultimately there's very little scientific basis that not fapping is beneficial.
Most of the solid stuff is because it's an addiction (and ending any addiction you have is always a good thing)
Plus, porn is the real enemy. Regular, non-addictive masturbation is perfectly healthy and encouraged.
I'm helping.
How often do you shit post or lurk?
It's all bullshit. The more you release, the more your overall health improves. Don't listen to these science-denying retards. If you stop fapping, there's a high chance of developing prostate cancer.
If you stop watching porn, you will never be able to please a girl, as you'll never be as good and resourceful in bed as someone who watches it regularly, so if you want to be a cuckold, be my guest.
Not much honestly. Maybe an hour a day. I'll typically come here on my lunch break and when I relax once I get off work. The only time I stay on for a while are happenings filled days though.
Fuuug
First part is true, but porn isn't representative of what you should be doing in bed.
wew lad are you guys even trying anymore
I dont even like hardcore porn. I get harder by watching a cute girl on a asmr-video than some hollywood shit.
>Stay away from red meat
Terrible advice. Nothing wrong with eating red meat just make sure you know where it's coming from and that the animal was grass fed and not loaded with hormones and antibiotics. Don't just eat the muscle either, organs are nutrient rich and an oft neglected food source which use to be a staple of our ancestors diet.
oh you mean I'm not supposed to be sharing my wife with multiple nogs in a hotel room while I eat their semen out of her used snatch after they are done DP'ing her?
gotcha thanks senpai
Nobody wants to see your cock, Nigel.
Yeah but that's still fucking vile
Obviously it doesn't have to be that extreme, straight 'hardcore' would be a better example.
are you larping as a nazi and hating on red meat? KYS faggot
There is a reason why porn is the way it is, and that's because it naturally appeals to the human psyche. If you as a man don't watch it, you will have less ideas in bed than your porn watching counterpart and then you'll wonder why you can't please your wife and why she left you for some guy who actually knows what to do in bed.
I've developed Erectile Dysfunction from fapping and watching porn. It kind of sucks that I can't release anymore. Also, I'm a virgin so I've missed out on so much.
post dick, faggot
No, retard, I just find organ meat less than desirable in our age of modern sensibilities.
All this gay shit about (((porn))) and faping. Get real guys. It's just like anything else in the universe: moderation. Be aware of when you're flirting w addiction and/or 're-wiring' your sensitivities such that they're losing traction w the 'natural' order. Those caveats aside, recognize the benefits of porn:
1) Sexual competition/competency/expectation of and amongst females has been raised significantly. This is akin to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu revolutionizing combat sports (and more importantly, the mainstream cultural comprehension thereof) over the past few decades. Democratized dissemination of real-life, competent martial arts information directly mirrors that of the carnal arts. The result is that the entirety of humanity is a more competent fighter/lover. The only losers? Faggot Karate teachers and as Chris Rock once said, betamax bitches who think they can survive without giving good head.
2) Aside from competencies in straight mechanics derived in item 1, additional, deeper psychological benefits are to be found. Betas learn how to lead a woman in bed. Sexual fantasies common to everyone may be more thuroughly and easily explored. Most importantly though, if you're dong fap "right", you're not become addicted and running into ED probs (I've been there), you're actually going the opposite way, learning the finer points of edging and multiple orgasms.
The reason no one ever talks about the benefits of porn, are for all the same reasons pareto principle: only 20% of guys do fap "right", and they're not preachy about it. The other 80% are usual fucktard idiots that would fail at ANYTHING magical the universe throws at them... like real live women.
This is a retarded argument. If you're an adult starting nofap then you've already watched enough porn to "get ideas" to begin with but even without that you don't need videos to be adventurous in the bedroom. Instead of being an autist that thinks porn stars are being genuine just find out what your girl likes by paying attention or asking her.
No, these ideas don't last forever. People forget. You might remember several favorite positions, but soon they get boring and then you're out of ideas. And a girl will tell you what she thinks she likes, but there are things she doesn't even know she likes and such surprises are most pleasurable to her.
But go ahead and do what you like. You have been warned.
If you're going to be a faggot use a different flag.
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There's a reason pro boxers practice abstinence and men become more successful in their forties than twenties, your sexual frustration is the most powerful tool you have, it literally makes you stronger, faster, makes your voice deeper and makes you a fiercer opponent in life, stop looking at dependency on porn as some yoke you can't shift, the drive needed to change your life can only come from your masculine driving force, and if you completely drain it using porn you are treating sexual frustration as a means to an end, when in reality it is the means to become prosperous in life.
Porn also for some people distorts their perception of women, turning them into unpersonal sex animals, women are incredibly perceptive and will see through your persona as an alpha male ( because what else do sex animals desire?) and will reject you most likely, because you are a porn addict who has little to offer from years of I'll spent hours masturbating
are you telling me that without porn, you would never have thought to turn a girl over and fuck her from behind? Without porn, you would've never thought she might like it if you pushed down on her head while she gave you head?
Maybe you are just retarded m8
Hold on, I'm trying to find it in my disk.
You're such a tease, sweetie.
See, that's what I'm talking about. Fucking a girl from behind is the height of kink for you people because you don't even dare to try something more extreme. Yet, your gf has tried it with someone else before you, and if you can't reach that standard, she will always be thinking about your ex while she's fucking you.
And that's only if you're lucky enough to have a girlfriend with sufficient self-control to not cheat on you.
> ITT: Masturbation shills
Fapping is intrinsically disordered, as is pornography, and you subconsciously know this everytime you sit down like a little beta bitch and succumb to your passions instead of mastering yourself and channeling that energy towards tasks that help you to achieve your goals. The Catholic Church was right when they taught about the evils of masturbating and porn. Sup Forums, with its loli porn, monstergirls, futa, vore etc is a proof about the dangers of dwelling in fantasy instead of engaging with reality
All I know is my immune system plummets every time I pass half a week or so.
>You have been warned.
By who? What makes you think your opinion is worth anything? Seriously. You're the descendant of thousands of generations of men that didn't watch porn but you think that during the blip of existence that is your life you've developed some insight on the oldest practice there is which overturns the sage wisdom passed down from those before you.
Face it, you just got jewed by the porn industry and you're just making excuses to feel in control.
Its multifactorial, user.
Masturbation subconsciously involves you accepting a second-class position in society: you are watching other men fuck fertile women. You're also less inclined to make moves on women.
Masturbation can be a waste of your time.
Masturbation raises prolactin. Prolactin is also known as dopamine inhibiting hormone. Wikipedia: "Hyperprolactinaemia, or excess serum prolactin, is associated with hypoestrogenism, anovulatory infertility, oligomenorrhoea, amenorrhoea, unexpected lactation and loss of libido in women and erectile dysfunction and loss of libido in men." So you are making yourself into a feminized and mellow person who will be motivated less to achieve things.
Masturbation depletes zinc, which your body needs for optimal hormone production.
Masturbation has been found to reduce prostate cancer. Do you know what one of the best predictors of prostate cancer is? High androgen levels.
When you masturbate, you are short-circuiting your reward system. Instead of [do something useful] --> [feel good] you are just going straight to the feel good part.
Also if you do no fap, you should still look at women and try to feel sexually aroused. Being sexually aroused is what raises your androgenic processes. If you just turn into a monk, then obviously you won't see much of a change. Also there's nothing wrong with masturbating couple times a week. Do it when the sexual energy is distracting you, not out of boredom.
How do I save myself, I just started lifting and I picked up a girl in public and even went on a date with her. I'm going to church and trying to be pious. I'm still having issues with social interaction.
Charge your phone you idiot
it was just an example you fuckwad. The only thing that truly matters is the size of your cock and your ability to delay ejaculation until she has cum at least once.
Take it from someone older and more experienced than you. Women *love* fantasizing about the 50 shades shit but for the VAST majority of them, it is just that - a fantasy.
If you think most women want to get tied up and degraded you are fucking delusional and pornography has ruined your expectations.
Because, you idiot, they didn't have to compete with people who DO watch porn. Because porn didn't exist. But they had Kama Sutra and similar shit.
No, you have found a prudish woman. I am 35, married for 5 years and have fucked a lot of women on the side, most of them were desperate for sexual pleasure as they are married or in a relationship with someone like you, playing nice just to satisfy your unrealistic expectations.
Might as well toss a coin and follow the result, since it doesn't seem to be a truly certain verdict about this.
Hmmm. Unless you look like Herschel Walker, you may be surprised at what your actual BMI is. It can be tricky to calculate.
Think high blood pressure, heart disease, other stuff. If your hormone levels are very low, you might need to look into that as well. If you are on any antidepressants (yes, including wellbutrin) you might be in for a surprise if you can get off it, and maintain excellent physical condition.
That includes not drinking beer, and no nicotine use.
you won't stop having issues with social interaction until you learn how to interact with people
you have those issues because you suck at it
get experience internalizing how people feel and act in a way that leaves you and your interlocutor better off
most people fuck up by speaking their minds without taking into account the other person
a hack to get better reactions until you learn that is to dress well
>I am 35, married for 5 years and have fucked a lot of women on the side
you are fucking pathetic. I know you are LARP'ing, I don't understand what you think you can gain from lying to anonymous people on the internet, but if this actually true you are literally a subhuman who has no control over his most base of carnal impulses.
I have 4 kids, a great wife, and I would never cheat on her and neither would she. You are a gigantic faggot and no longer worth my time.
nofap is pretty retarded. The science behind it suggests that you should wait 7 days to reach peak testosterone, then ride that for about 4-5 days before your testosterone levels start to drop down to your normal baseline.
If you don't get laid in that time, jerk off without the use of pornography.
How old are you? You know you can study sex and develop a strong game that is personalized to your partner without spilling your seed to Jewish programming, right?
Think of your semen as energy, the more you hold inside of you, the more energy you'll have. The more you waste by jerking off the more energy you waste. Not to mention that semen is expensive. It's full of all kinds of minerals and nutrients, minerals and nutrients that must be replenished.
And remember that masturbating and cumming are two different things.
he said he was 35 in the post you quoted
No, his real age.
I don't think you can learn social interaction, is it even possible? AAAAAAAAAAAA
Maybe if I read some heartiste
>Maybe if I read some heartiste
fuck that
learn to be a friendly person without becoming a doormat in the process
identify with other people's interests so that you naturally have fun with others by doing what you like
when ever I don't fap cum mixes with my piss and I get these gross ropes when I pee. is this normal?
you people are fucking degenerate. Stop masturbating so much
what does that have to do with my problem?
>HURR-DURR, MUH PLACEBO XD
Don't fucking listen to those idiots -- they are just coming up with an excuse, because they can't control their urges. No fap FUCKING WORKS.
>went from 130 kg to 160 kg in a span of a month on no fap
>start fapping again
>stall for 2 years
>start no fap
>160 kg to 180 kg in a span of a month
Coincidence? Considering THAT LITERALLY NOTHING HAS CHANGED (diet, training, sleep amount), I think not.
93 kg bw, btw.
On benchpress, derp*
basically they way I see it - if autists can't figure out on their own that expending their seminal fluid on such kikery is antithetic to greatness, they aren't worth the effort convincing otherwise.
It's like that friend you have that always says he is going to quit drinking after a rough night. The real ones who manage to do it are the ones who don't go preaching to everyone about it. The others are just seeking attention and validation
FUUUUUCK I can't believe I have not saved it, because it's nowhere. Maybe we could find it in the archives, just look for redpill threads or noporn or nofap threads. They guy was a finnish medic student btw.
Your shit's broken, see a doctor