Stop burning fossil fuels

Stop burning fossil fuels.

Stop receiving my tax dollars.

Stop being a conman

make electric cars competitive

Maybe if you stop being a cuck Ill stop pouring used motor oil in storm drains.

How the fuck is he a "conman" exactly?

They are you fucking idiot, the Tesla Model S P100D is the fastest accelerating road car currently in production. 0-60mph in 2.28 seconds. Quicker than a Bugatti Chiron (which costs €2.4 million)

How is he a cuck? He's one of the richest men in the world, he owns several companies in the most exciting developing areas of technology on the planet, he sets up new companies at his whim to explore whatever ideas he feels like, he goes out with the hottest actresses on the planet. So please explain how he's a cuck?

YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO MIKE PATTON!!!!

Who cares how fast it accelerate when combustion engines aren't just cheaper but also more practical?

why do you repost these threads? what is the point?

nah i like old bikes, im just gonna keep riding them since theyre easy as fuck to maintain and work on and have literally no (((((("""""""""carbon footprint""""""""""))))) compared to manufacturing an electric shitbox

>make electric cars competitive
Maybe you need to learn how to read English, Ahmed.

Tesla is investor black owned

Don't tell me own this one

have you ever seen what lithium mines for your precious electric cars do to the planet? also they use basically slave labor in Africa to get this precious lithium and cobalt.

nope

Thank you, Obama. Now I can live on Mars when I'm 70.

Electric cars are powered, almost entirely, by fossil fuels which have converted their extremely dense, plentiful, transportable, affordable, abundant energy into electricity via nat gas & coal fired generation. Aside from PayPal, Mr. Musks greatest accomplishment is convincing US.gov to choose his side (through subsidies), against the interests of a nation that was built, protected, and enriched by the discovery, production, transport, refinement, distribution and use of the miracle that is the hydrocarbon. A more appropriate limitation of CO2 emmisions would be for a certain segment of the population who doesn't understand this to elect to stop breathing.

>make electric cars competitive
>They are you fucking idiot
not what he meant he's probably talking about more general things like range/charge time etc.
>2.28 seconds=fast car
bong you have no idea do you...

It's called market competition you pillock

RP-1 is refined kerosene
you stop burning fossil fuels you space cuck

You need demand before supply can be filled for something like this.

Without electric cars there isn't as much incentive to create and expand forms of clean energy production.

And given that fossil fuels are a finite source of fuel, it's a good idea to begin creating alternatives in advance of shortages.

STOP USING MY PICTURES FOR SHITTY THREADS

>We must first subsidize something before it works
That is not how economy and the free market works. Free market will literally fixes itself when fossil fuels are not available. And it maybe not the electric model, maybe hydrogen. Keep this to the experts, not some retarded politicians

1) You and I demand electricity every day. The reason fossil fuels win currently is economics.

2) because electric cars are the only drivers of electricity demand growth? No.

3) no argument here, there is a shitload of oil and gas reserves that will never be produced because eventually (eventually) other sources of energy will become viable. While it is a finite resource, we will never run out.

Electric powered cars have been around as long as gas powered cars.
Thomas Edison built and sold them over a century ago.
If there was any demand for them in general transportation, it would have caught on by now.
There is a niche for them in short distance travel, like golf courses and factories, little carts and such.
There's just no justification for subsidizing Elon Musk's speculative businesses. He's simply a front for a tribe of (((money lenders))) who want to soak taxpayers to pay for utopian ventures which further their globalist ideology and desire for complete power over the life of every individual.

Carbon fuels are plenty clean. You and every animal on earth burn them with oxygen and release CO2, which is locked back into carbohydrates by photosynthesis, only to be consumed by animal life, and then the process begins again.
It's literally the same process that produced those fossil fuels in the first place, it's completely natural.

As far as I'm aware, most investors are white are they not?

Sorry, when did Sup Forums start caring about niggers in Africa?

Solar, wind and hydroelectric are all rapidly expanding. Picture related is wind power. Norway gets almost all its energy from hydroelectric power. And when every house has solar panels on it, every house will be generating MORE electricity than it needs, both for running the house AND for charging a couple of cars.

So yeah, you're a fucking idiot.

>range/charge time etc.
Teslas can drive up to 300 miles on a charge, and a supercharger can add something like 170 miles in 30 minutes. Also a Model S is capable of having a battery swap, which takes a couple of minutes, and can swap in a fully charged battery.

>bong you have no idea do you...
It's the quickest car currently in production, like I said, so please tell me more about how I have no idea? And why the fuck are you talking about fucking TRACK TIMES when it's a fucking FAMILY SALOON CAR????

Tesla Model 3 starts at $35k, your argument is invalid.

Until you can show me how you can get into space with renewable energy alone, then shut the fuck up.

Literally this.

Slightly rare flag.

Jesus fucking Christ you're a retard. So the Reichsautobahnen should never have been built, right? Bloody socialist state! The V2 rocket? Fucking socialists! A standing military to protect the homeland? Unnecessary! The free market will fix it!

I'm a coalburner. Sorry.

do you wear shoes?

>Reichsautobahn
>same as electric subsidization of meme cars with a worse enegetic fingerprint than current combustion motor
You a retarded commie bong without even realizing. Go buy a Tesla, you seem stupid enough to deserve it. But take a credit since you cannot afford one

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ok

Fucked up to realize thats OJ's daughter

I'm not saying Tesla should be subsidised you fucking dumbfuck, I'm just saying that sometimes state-sponsoring of technology building is a good thing. Think of the space race too. Would it be better if the US government had never put money into that, and allowed Russia to dominate space?

And mainly I'm just saying that Teslas are cool, regardless of whether taxes are going on it. I'm not American so I don't give a fuck, it's not my taxes.

1) what's is that energy generation on a percentage of total? (Growth looks impressive, but when a guys dick goes from 1" to 2" the ladies still arent satisfied.)

2) what does electricity cost in Norway?

3) "And when"... I'll be dead

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These are fair arguments but the entire industry is electrifying, because there are many benefits for the consumer. Electrics/hybrids pollute less (for cities especially this is desirable - I used to live in London and the pollution is fucking shitty) and they're often more economical to run (don't need to pay for petrol)

Even if Tesla blew up today, there's tons of companies who are working on electrification. Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen Group, Honda, Toyota, General Motors, etc. etc., they're all working on hybrids and electrics. Like I said, they offer economical and health benefits to the consumer.

I didn't say it was massive, I said it was growing.

I think it's incredibly cheap.

Many people are already getting solar panels because it's a cheaper way to get electricity for their homes.

This is the thing, the free market is going towards electrification whether Tesla exists or not.

my $5k Focus from '07 does 330mi on one 10gal. tank and takes 5 miniutes to fill up why would I buy a $35k model 3 when for $35k I could get a prius that does 50mpg?
>And why the fuck are you talking about fucking TRACK TIMES
because you talked about muh 0-60
don't pick a metric to measure something by then ignore it
btw the gt86 beat the model s on the track and that fucking meme machine is slower than a minivan
also not getting the pic -sigh- I don't know what i expected

I'm not saying it's economical for everybody my intellectually challenged friend, but it's going to be economical for some people

I mentioned 0-60 because he said electric cars weren't competitive. A Model S is a fucking family saloon and yet it beats a €2.4 million hypercar in acceleration. And he's saying it's not competitive.

The reasons for growth in electrification are artificial, not economy driven. Currently, electricity prices are regulated, and "zero/low emmision vehicles" are subsidized.

If it's incredibly cheap, it's incredibly subsidized.

If solar really is cheaper, it should be expanding much faster than it is. And if the arguement is that solar is better environmentally maybe look into the process of mining rare earth for photovoltaic cells, and where these rare earth elements are located and mined.

We have very different definitions of "free market"

but it's going to be economical for some people

With or without subsidies?

Is Elon a hapa?

You may not have said it was massive, but you did call me an idiot for pointing out that currently, nobody can or should "stop burning fossil fuels"

Gayer than a gay gangbang.

You've got to think about why it's being subsidised in the first place - because lots of people don't want pollution anymore. Even if you remove the global warming stuff, which I don't really care about, tons of pollution is a health problem.

I disagree that this isn't economically driven. People are choosing to buy these cars because of health/economical benefits. But yes there are also subsidies, but that's based on what voters want from their governments.

If you're so convinced that there's NO free market demand for these cars whatsoever, then why are Volkswagen Group, BMW, Daimler (Mercedes), Renault-Nissan, Honda, Toyota, General Motors etc. plowing millions, probably billions of euros/dollars/yen into it? I'm pretty sure they're not receiving massive government subsidies to do that.

Because you were implying that electric cars were just as polluting as petrol/diesel cars, but I really don't think this is the case - you're right that tons of electricity (especially in the US, and in the UK, and many countries) still comes from coal and gas, but renewable energy is expanding all the time.

The UK is building tons of wind power - we have the biggest offshore wind farms in the world. China is building tons of onshore wind farms, the largest ones in the world. All of these things are expanding.

Yes we're still going to be using hydrocarbons for a very long time. These things take ages. It'll be a very slow and gradual process I'm sure. In some things I'm sure it will still make a ton of sense to use hydrocarbons (planes for instance). But there are legitimate reasons why renewable energy is expanding - health reasons and economic reasons.

Yes, there is some free market demand, mostly on high end electric vehicles and golf carts.

People vote based on what they want others to do, not on what they actually do themselves. They all make their weekly trip to the gas station, but feel better because they voted for Al Gore.

I agree that localized pollution is a problem. I just think efficient public transportation will have more impact than vehicle electrification,

>acceleration matters
whats the point that 2.4mil hypercar will shred the model S in almost every other way fast acceleration doesn't matter so why point it out?
competitive for a car means that it can compete with other cars in it's class ie the model S is very very good when compared to a BWM 5 series or Merc S550 or something but compared a P1 it's pointless yeah it gets of the line faster but who has the higher topspeed? the better laptime? point is next time compare it to a Cadillac or something not a hypercar
>I'm not saying it's economical for everybody
actually it's scary how economical EV's will be for everyone very soon it's not for me right now sure but the future? literally everyone will have an EV and thus there will be no more fun cars to drive because they will all be taken off the road due to safety and environmental regulations and that makes me sad

what if i want a motorbike that goes further then 50km?

exactly. no quick charge batteries? gas it is then.

>Yes, there is some free market demand, mostly on high end electric vehicles and golf carts.
Arguably hybrids too. If you're buying a family car for £15,000 or something, you can get a hybrid for not much more than a purely petrol car, and it will give you much better fuel efficiency.

>I agree that localized pollution is a problem. I just think efficient public transportation will have more impact than vehicle electrification,
You've got to think about trucks and business vehicles driving in a city as well though. And taxis. If these vehicles start going electric then it will have a huge impact on city-centre pollution in massive cities like London and New York.

They aren't as polluting as petrol (gasoline) powered vehicles, but the arguement in this tread is against fossil fuels, natural gas being the primary reason electric vehicles are less pollutive happens to be a fossil fuel.

I agree that fossil fuels will be phased out, but think economics will ultimately be the driver, not politics. Bet your ass that big oil is on top of this and will likely be the ones who flip the switch once the economics of energy production shift from drilling to something else.

do you know how much pollution and environmental damage comes from using rare lithium in the batteries?

battery technology just isn't there yet. at least not at the consumer level, some promising technologies in the labs that we probably won't ever see.

Stop taking tax money

The most environmentally friendly vehicle currently is the Honda CNG (compressed natural gas) vehicle when you look at cradle to grave impact. It cuts out the middleman (inefficiency) of converting nat gas to electricity. Those cars suck, they have no power, and refueling stations are very limited So they aren't produced on any kind of scale.

I think some of the real motivations behind the push for electric are to mandate a large scale transition to fuel economic growth, and not really based on health or environment.

>actually it's scary how economical EV's will be for everyone
Well I think hybrids will be attractive for lots of commuters and people doing long journeys. Because then you get the benefits of better fuel economy, and less pollution (especially if you can switch to electric-only mode when you're in a city), and also quicker acceleration, but obviously you still have all the convenience of running on petrol which is available literally everywhere

Pure EVs I guess are more attractive for people who mainly drive around a city. But then again a Tesla may well actually be cheaper over a few years, as a commuter car, than an equivalent petrol car, due to not paying for petrol. But I guess it depends on how much it costs you to charge it at home. And it depends on how reliable they turn out to be. I've not heard anything about them being unreliable though.

Also
>he doesn't think it's impressive that a $70k family saloon car can accelerate to 60mph quicker than a €2.4 million hypercar

>I agree that fossil fuels will be phased out, but think economics will ultimately be the driver, not politics.
If people desire a hybrid because of the economical and pollution benefits then that's an economical driver, surely.

>Bet your ass that big oil is on top of this and will likely be the ones who flip the switch once the economics of energy production shift from drilling to something else.
Well big oil doesn't have all the power in the world - car manufacturers do as well.

No I don't. Feel free to tell me though. But I have read how new companies are starting up to mine lithium because there's such a huge demand for it.

>I think some of the real motivations behind the push for electric are to mandate a large scale transition to fuel economic growth
I thought your whole argument was that economic reasons aren't driving electrification...

Stop wasting billions on space shit and help people with free surgery you fucking asshole, it's just getting worse

*Afrikkaner accent*
Stop
Burning
Coal

hydrocarbons discoveries have begun to disappear and fracking just leads to polluted ground water

Show me one case of groundwater pollution from the fracking process.

>he doesn't think it's impressive that a $70k family saloon car can accelerate to 60mph quicker than a €2.4 million hypercar
why would you? acceleration is all about torque and grip an electric motor has full torque at 0rpm and EV's weigh a lot more than most cars of their size plus they have AWD which is already faster of the line than many FWD/RWD cars anyhow thus an EV is always going to win a drag race no matter what car it's against besides of course another EV

Is this nigga serious?

It will be years of restless nights then. Holy fuck it's like a lightning bolt hitting my shoulder. My parents don't care either, full time job, school and pain and it be fixed

Only if he puts me on his board of directors or a CEO or something. I'm supre smart. Trust me.

My man, hybrids burn fossil fuels.

My arguement is not really against electric vehicles (Tesla). It's is for the necessity and benefits of fossil fuels, now and in the future.

Big oil doesn't have all the Power. They have most of the resources tho. And they have the most to lose in a shift of energy sources, so obviously they would be motivated to be ahead of this competition.

But that's my whole point, that EVs offer performance in some ways which petrol cars can't match, that's literally my whole point

they don't though unless you count only 0-60
>gt86
>slower than a minivan
>still wins vs tesla

I think we can all agree on the benefits of electric motors. It's the viability of generating that electricity without hydrocarbons that is up for debate.

forgot to add YET

Rocket fuel can't melt global warming

>My man, hybrids burn fossil fuels.
Not if you live in Norway they don't

>It's is for the necessity and benefits of fossil fuels, now and in the future.
But say you could get the same amount of energy in a cleaner way, without it costing any more. Then surely you'd go for the cleaner energy? Like I said, I used to live in London. And the pollution there is horrible. It really made me appreciate fresh air 2bh.

>Big oil doesn't have all the Power. They have most of the resources tho. And they have the most to lose in a shift of energy sources, so obviously they would be motivated to be ahead of this competition.
Market forces though, right? Like you've been saying. If customers decide that they'd rather buy a hybrid or an EV instead of a petrol car then oil companies (while I'm sure they will try and keep people buying their product) will just have to suck it up. Market forces mufugga.

>comparing a 7-seater executive/family saloon car, with massive storage space in the front and rear trunks, to a 2+2 coupe
Literally what? Why are you comparing two COMPLETELY and utterly different cars? A MODEL S IS NOT DESIGNED TO BLITZ THE NURBURGRING. THAT'S NOT WHY PEOPLE BUY IT.

Like I say though, wind/solar/hydroelectric are expanding across the whole world. And they are economical, it's not like we're having to spend 10x as much just to get some cleaner air, it's not like that at all. Especially since home-installed solar panels pay for themselves after a while (I think it can be as little as 1 year), and then after that you're literally making a profit because you can sell the excess energy you generate back to the grid.

He's a ayy trying to get home

yeah funnily enough they also don't buy it for it's 0-60 time either

What is the other fuel component of a hybrid? The only ones I have seen are electric/gasoline.

Stop threatening women's independence!

YEAH I KNOW THAT BUT THE FACT THAT IT CAN ACCELERATE FASTER THAN A €2.4 MILLION HYPERCAR IS STILL FUCKING IMPRESSIVE

Exactly yes, electric/petrol, but because the battery can recover energy when you're slowing down, or when you're standing still in traffic, you get greater fuel efficiency, I think up to 100mpg or more

"But say"...

Wish In one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills up first. We have to be practical about energy or people will suffer.

Yet it still burns fossil fuel

I know right? BLACK LIVES MATTER

apparently I have triggered the bong
yes you thinks that's impressive I don't move on

Post something you do own nigga

No, no, clearly not good enough. You see for hybrid cars we have ridiculous standards, not normal ones.

Full disclosure, I'm in the energy business. Currently it involves laying pipe for the transport Of oil and natural gas, but we have an eye on wind (closest to being economic, but the wind doesn't always blow) and other sources.

Every day good men do hard jobs to make sure you and I can get to work, not freeze in the winter and can stay cool in the summer. In the US we pay about 0.84 pounds/liter for petrol (trying real hard to speak your language) and that's because we sit on top of, possibly, the largest source of hydrocarbons in the world, the Western Interior Seaway, and we are practical about energy and economy.

I understand that a change will happen, but my job is to evaluate the economics of energy production and right now the market says that drilling is preferable to everything else. Knowledgeable investors are still pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into fossil fuels and when we bring up cleaner investments they aren't interested (b/c the returns aren't nearly as good). These are foreword looking entities.

how many Tesla walls does it take to launch a Space-X rocket?

Give us better alternatives then in price and efficiency.

I don't know. How many Tesla walls does it take to launch a Space-X rocket?

>How the fuck is he a "conman" exactly?
wants to regulate AI

regulation is to stifle the little guy and keep technology only in the hands of megacorps.

Are old jews a fossil fuel?

Naga, naga, not gonna happen. Marketing electric transportation while using rocket fuel must be tricky

I'll burn all the goddamn fossil fuels I want!!

>the entire industry is electrifying
If oil hovers in the $50 to $70 per bb range much longer, it won't be.
These corporations tend to run on five year plans, and the current ones were conceived when oil was locked above $100 a barrel for an extended period of time.
If everyone is still hopping mad about electric cars three years from now, then you can say the entire industry is electrifying.
Until then, it's all speculative. This stuff comes and goes in waves.

Europe will drive mostly electric in a couple of decades because of the gov't, it will be pretty great. Don't know about Ameriblubberland but I'm sure they'll stay in their backwards mindset for at least 4 more years.

have fun with your battery-powered Vespas

tell me how youre going to power aircraft and shipping then

Stop being butthurt about nuclear energy then.

Apart from ebin Vespas we'll also enjoy cleaner air and being ready for the future. And you know rape the planet a bit less while doing so.
I do hope you guys won't get more hurricane seasons like the last, it would be an absolute bummer if those are to increase in frequency.