Read this in Philip K. Dick's Valis, and I think it speaks to the spirit of the nofap artists:
In his study of the form that masochism takes in modern man, Theodor Reik puts forth an interesting view. Masochism is more widespread than we realize because it takes an attenuated form. The basic dynamism is as follows: a human being sees something bad which is coming as inevitable. There is no way he can halt the process; he is helpless. This sense of helplessness generates a need to gain some control over the impending pain--any kind of control will do. This makes sense; the subjective feeling of helplessness is more painful than the impending misery. So the person seizes control over the situation in the only way open to him: he connives to bring on the impending misery; he hastens it. This activity on his part promotes the false impression that he enjoys pain. Not so. It is simply that he cannot any longer endure the helplessness or the supposed helplessness. But in the process of gaining control over the inevitable misery he becomes, automatically, anhedonic (which means being unable or unwilling to enjoy pleasure.) Anhedonia sets in stealthily. Over the years it takes control of him. For example, he learns to defer gratification; this is a step in the dismal process of anhedonia. In learning to defer gratification he experiences a sense of self-mastery; he has become stoic, disciplined; he does not give way to impulse. He has control. Control over himself in terms of his impulses and control over the external situation. He is a controlled and controlling person."
cont: " Pretty soon he has branched out and is controlling other people, as part of the situation. He becomes a manipulator. Of course, he is not consciously aware of this; all he intends to do is lessen his own sense of impotence. But in his task of lessening this sense, he insidiously overpowers the freedom of others. Yet, he derives no pleasure from this, no positive psychological gain; all his gains are essentially negative." -Philip K dick, Valis
Anthony Rivera
I guarantee you that I am the only other person in this thread that has read Valis.
Xavier Kelly
Shut up and post more qts
James Rogers
Masturbating to humans will only make you more attached to them, it will make you more easy to control by some woman and less hateful towards shitskins. The only way to go is fur.
Jeremiah Stewart
You’d be wrong. The cat is still dead.
Nolan Ramirez
PKD is my favorite author and a genius but fapping is bad for your masculinity. This is something every man can experiment with.
Zachary Miller
Gee whoever jacked off to porn and said ''I feel great, glad I did that'' after?
Also...
Stop
Conflating
No-porn
And
No-fap
John Myers
I read it decades ago. This thread should be deleted we don't want this to escape containment.
Julian Jackson
Also I real Valis
Isaiah Evans
Moderation is key to all things in life
Parker Carter
Name?!
Asher Nguyen
Why not? Fuck you, this information needs to be known.
Luke Powell
Man I had a wicked fap to some gfur this morning, tell you what, god bless hard blush
Tyler Garcia
Watching ppl fuck makes u a fucking cuck. Even if it's thru the Internet.
Brandon Rivera
No, porn fucks up your dopamine system which plays a huge role in motivation. The more porn you watch the more of a worthless consuming parasite you become.
Jeremiah Morris
The basis is that a human sees something bad and then the rest follows is what this paragraph is saying.
But to know if something is bad or not, if it is a complex issue, one must experience it or observe it in a close way. If we look at sex or marriage or relationships since that is what you are relating this paragraph too we can see that sex, relationships and marriage with bad women is full of negative consequences. So many so that men swear off these things in order to gain more control and stability and preserve their psyche and emotional state.
By proxy when we look at pornography we look at the fact that it is only the pornography to post-orgasm CYCLE that is harmful. Sexual thoughts impede on the minds ability to focus and concentrate in life and interfere with other aspects of life. To relieve this pressure the man or woman watches porn and then the depletion of nutrients and vital life energy occurring in a dopamine depletion causing life to become dull w/out those rushes and leading to a generally depressed state. Chasing more of the dopamine the rest of the person's life takes a dull backseat to the dopamine rushes and pornography because the most important thing in a person's life because it rewards the pleasure centers and feelings of gratification more.
As the person's life decays every time they exit their pornography hobby time they have less and less experiences and accomplishments causing them to flee back into their pornography induced states of dopamine. Eventually life becomes purposeless and joyless.
Nofap is simply a mechanism to prevent oneself from falling into this state. However, it becomes harder to exit this state in our present day because the attitudes and social norms of today are so bleak and soul crushing. Does one wade through the sewage of modern day people and willingly become fragile in order to experience a version of life that is somewhat corrupt or does one stay sheltered and live 5-10% of life but generally pleasurable
Jayden Bailey
Me, little asian boy.
Kevin Martin
Porn is degenerate. Kys.
Jaxson Jackson
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Isaiah Lee
Shill yourself OP
Bentley Cox
You don't care about the consequences do you?
Jonathan Brooks
based thaibro
Landon Taylor
Self sacrifice is not masochistic. It only becomes so when it comes from self hatred, or hatred of others, resentments that become a perverted means of satisfaction.
Self sacrifice comes out of love. Not masturbating is self denial, the denial of the worst elements of ourselves, when sex becomes purely sensual, detached from it's noble purposes. It becomes a drug.
Naked materialism is a bad thing, user.
Michael Jackson
You're like the evil David Bowie type character in the book. The one Horselover fats hated because he viewed himself as a patrician and the rest of the world as plebs. This is exactly the opposite of what PKD wanted.
You think he wrote the book to keep it a secret? Kidding me m8?
Isaiah Robinson
I lived Valis
Isaac Sanders
>PKD is obscure
reddit?
Angel Thomas
Nofap is for christfags who are scared of their own penis, jack off whenever you feel like it its just like taking a shit
Thomas Wood
Uh...I do? Maybe you should stop projecting, and increase your T levels. Literally LITERALLY nofap is for low t faggots. Those that aren't that start nofap will be eventually. >B-But I feel better! >B-But I feel like I have more energy! >B-But I feel more confident! etc. That's because your decreasing your T levels while actively increasing your E levels. Your increasing hormone levels, but the wrong one. t. someone who intentionally messes with their hormone levels Also "not like big tits is low t" is not a meme. When I've decreased T levels, E levels rise as a result and breasts become less attractive. Then when I increase T levels resulting in lower E levels, I find breasts attractive again. In other words your all fucking morons messing with shit you don't understand.
Matthew Rogers
What if I fap without porn? So I dont wake up with wet pants every 4-5 days or get boners when I really should not have a boner. Also no-fap actually reduces my success with women due to being too direct and straightforward about "stuff" when my balls are full. A fap once every 2-3 days when a boner appears works pretty OK for me.
Hunter Peterson
I sort of feel like this too. We all saw blade runner 2 the other night. What the fuck gives?/kek
Austin Evans
PKD was a visionary, but trapped on the wrong side of the mirror. Starting with the death of his infant twin sister, ending a crazy, drugged out freak. Love his work, he saw our future but misinterpreted everything by missing (((the root of all evil))).
John Miller
Wow. This really hit home OP. I think this describes me in a nutshell. Does this specifically concern nofap or can it be anything else taken to a relative extreme?
Because the way I live my life is as he describes, I subconsciously refuse pleasure at any opportunity and live a really strict, disciplined lifestyle. The problem is that while he uses "positive" words for this, in reality it can be really bad for your mental health. I'm always struggling with perfectionism and stress from the rules I place upon myself.
I also feel a great sense of impending doom, due to all the things most polacks know about. Race, immigration, subversion, degeneracy etc.
Does anyone else behave the same way?
Jace Turner
That's why just watch girls grope and lick each other.
Connor Richardson
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Grayson Cooper
>Knowing what PkD wanted.
Jacob Hernandez
Please show me something that proves what you're saying.
Luis Bell
You subconsciously deny yourself pleasure because you know the state of modern society is the way it is because of the embracing of endless pleasures and liberties. You are guarding yourself against the encroaching evil and you feel that giving in to pleasure is giving in to the corrupting evil that has tainted society. To you society is so vile that the thought of becoming like them fills you with such disgust that you in your mind it is better to suffer than to risk corruption.
Brody Scott
I love Philip K. Dick but embracing hedonism is ultimately what killed him and made him write a few shitty books later in life for drug money. He was untrusting of people so he never trusted their ability to become better versions of themselves. In his books, it's usually the opposite; people learn they're worse than they think, or that things are worse than they perceive.
Just a grain of salt. Fap because you're horny and need some relief, not because you're bored or depressed. Build yourself up.
Ryan Smith
I used to jack off all the time without looking at porn. when first started nofap I began furiously looking at porn for the first time since I was a teenager, but I wouldn't jack off. I would use it to placate my need for masturbation I think.
Austin Powell
This. Don't rack discriprine
Owen Howard
It's somewhat agreeable, and nofap is dumb.
Abstinence is a cheap escape, it's just removing temptation rather than fixing yourself. Moderation is the true mark of a developed and powerful will. But on the other hand I cannot comprehend how anyone can even tolerate pornography today, 99% of it is absolutely vile and not arousing in the least.
Nathan Price
Porn is the opiate of the masses
Grayson Nelson
Take 4 g of pueraria murrifica a day for one month. Then stop taking it for another month. This isn't rocket science, and any sort of T blocker/estrogenic compound would do.
Jackson Diaz
>implying it isnt preferable to religion
Cooper Green
No Jews admit porn purpose is for Jews to fuck and defile all our white women and make them preform the most degrading acts like interracial porn or anal in order to promote their propaganda. Jews do it for the sole purpose of destroying Christian values, healthy families, and society. Blacks are encouraged to rape white women through the porn they consume.
Dylan Cook
This,
Aaron Cruz
pueraria murrifica is the strongest form of phytoestrogens you can legally purchase without buying actual estrogen patches and injections
lol you're a fucking troll asshole its funny but also fuck you
Oliver Walker
Jesus Christ what is with all the weak willed pussys in here who can't stop touching their own dick. fuck this place its getting just as bad as masturbating
Alexander Martin
This. Also, ausbro dont worry that much about "impending doom" and other things. Eventually you will stop caring and start to manage your own shit atleast 50% more efficiently due to knowing what the hell is going on in the world.
Carter Bailey
/thread
Justin Gutierrez
porn culture is superior to cristian culture
Chase Foster
Religion > Jewish porn industry
Blake Adams
I am addicted to watching porn, and will admit I am into some weird shit like this now but I don't think porn is bad at all. MGTOW and nofap is kinda silly
In the book it was about a lady that had Cancer and held it against the world. Everything became about her impending death and she wanted to drag everyone into the vortex with her.
Cameron Ramirez
This is the best method imo. NoFap is extreme, but porn addiction is real.
If you're gonna jerk it, don't use porn. If you do, use your current GF's pics (Not ex's).
Robert Thomas
Porn is a psychological weapon, foisted upon us by knowing, and unknowing, agents of the enemy of our souls, satan himself.
The sin of pornography is not a sin against others, but a sin against the self, and is so insidious as to be seen as a liberty rather than a grievous form of self harm that tears the soul asunder.
1 Corinthians 6:18New King James Version (NKJV)
18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
Benjamin Mitchell
I also read it over two decades past. A great fiction author.
Gabriel Jenkins
Why do these topics always continue with stupidity after is already posted? No-Porn is not No-Fap
Wyatt Carter
Curse of the "eternal Jew"..... Still like seeing Dem titties tho
Michael Morris
But Nofap is like making an idol of not jerking off, and the masochism and self-denial involved. This spirit is not equivalent to not wanting to jerk off for its own sake. It's a narrow bridge. But it's there.
John Evans
i want to buy a girl like OPS, I have cash, sadly im not a jew but i still want one.
Eli Torres
Get behind me satan.
Brandon Phillips
Keep posting hot Asians
Bentley Gray
Uhh. Catholics aren't christians. Peter was basically a faggot and loser though, I agree.
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Cooper Bailey
>Gee whoever jacked off to porn and said ''I feel great, glad I did that'' after?
I do. Masturbation feels better than sex.
Xavier Brown
You may be doing sex wrong
Jayden Kelly
Sounds like 'The Authoritarian Personality'.
Kevin Wilson
I think this a lot of the time too.
Samuel Edwards
This. No fap is just as wrong as chronic masturbation but in the opposite direction. I'll never understand why some people think just because one thing is wrong the extreme opposite of it is therefore a healthy decision like life is a series two answer multiple choice questions without nuance.
Brody Nelson
yep.
Dominic Barnes
Masochism is more liberating than angst.
Josiah Hill
>>Gee whoever jacked off to porn and said ''I feel great, glad I did that'' after?
I do, as in: >Oh, finally I can complete this paper tower assigments that law school gave me without having a boner and trying to figure out which classmate should I try dating next.
Ayden Turner
ive transcended to new dimensions just from trying new, subtle, nuanced ways of jerking my own cock.
Aaron Brooks
what he's saying though is that there's a basic misunderstanding of what comprises masochism though. He defines it as control freaks writ large and anhedonism. I didn't think this was what it was, but it turns out that it all has to do with learned helplessness and control.
That's why jews spread the Blacked meme. They want to instill in the goyim the sense of 'inevitablility' of being wiped out. Learned helplessness. Once you see through this bullshit, things start to clear.
Logan Cruz
Porn is degenerate. NoFap is real. Dick this OP and thread.
/thread
Charles Martin
nofap is garbage. you just get all spaced out and obsessed with pussy. its impossible to get anything done besides wish you were fucking. only useful if you're having trouble getting laid. it gets in the way of your other goals though
Leo Miller
my brother.
Lucas Miller
I..is that comped?
Josiah Parker
Me. You have no idea what some 2-hour edging, good music and good porn can do to a shitty day, week, even month.
Luis Myers
NoFap is a Jewish trick to trick whites into not ejaculating thus greatly increasing chances for prostate cancer thus killing whites.
Jaxon Robinson
absolutely desu
Mason Sanders
I donated $100 after molymeme BTFOed you furfags recently. It made me realize the fight against degeneracy is far from over. youtube.com/watch?v=xmVG8KP7sCs&t=3246s
Sort yourselves out or kill yourselves; you're a pox on society.
Isaac Kelly
>molymeme >the fight against degeneracy
Kek. He's a jew.
Anthony Allen
So what he is saying that nofap will make me super self disciplined and a master manipulator who will bring negative ends to my enemies?
Jordan Wood
FUCKING BASED!
Aaron Ortiz
And to yourself. Everyone loses. Preddy fucking gay outcome if you ask me. It reminds me of those weird old catholic priests screeching about privation and abortion etc, and being completely miserable faggots.
Oliver James
Stop watching porn without giving up masturbating imo.
Adrian Jones
The feeling of power contains both pleasure and pain. Man does not live for pleasure. Only the Englishman does.
Jonathan Sullivan
Pretty much. I fap about once a day and yeah I could reduce it to 3x a week, but mind you this is at 11pm at night mainly so I can have a normal day without touching my dick.
I'm getting tired of being lumped in with the faggots looking at hardcore sissy gay porn or some shit and thinking I have a problem for my vanilla tastes and almost no odd increase in my masturbatory habits. Sure it could help me with women a bit more to abstain but it's not like I'm doing wildly awesome in the pussy department so I don't need to work that hard
Juan Adams
Porn is awful. It's actually anti-life. It fetishizes degradation, even vanilla stuff, because APPARENTLY that's all that can get most people off anymore.
I'm not against fapping, I'm not even against using media to get your rocks off. Nudie photos are A-OK by me. But there's just something incredibly wrong with most live-action porn. I like doujinshi and I draw porn but for some reason it's different. Doujinshi, even when you don't pay attention to the plot, even when it's in a language you don't speak, is so often about people who are obviously happy to be around and like each other. People in porn, if they weren't forced by their animal instincts to put their parts in each other, they'd probably never even speak.
Porn just seems weirdly-- hateful. Anti-life.
Jack Long
Fuck off jew.
Charles Phillips
I think furries have the same problem people who like ridiculously idealized moé do-- they seem to hate real people and can't stand looking at them.
Bentley Perry
who she?
Jose Gonzalez
I only feel that shame and self-hatred after doing it to western hardcore porn. I think I may even be starting to believe that conspiracy theory that porn is engineered to engender self-loating, because it doesn't seem like it's something inherent to the act.
Jack Edwards
this cracka know what's up.
Aaron Kelly
This nigger said what I was trying to in like fifteen words. Maybe a little vague but you can infer from context.