Is the Holocaust real?

I have never met a holocaust denier bjt I have always wanted to hear his argument. What do you think?

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Hell no. I wish it was though. Jews need to be eradicated.

This question has never been asked before so watch The Neverending Story Ever Been Old on Youtube

I personally don't deny the holocaust, but the typical thought is that the concentration camps were labor camps, and the 6 million death toll was grossly overexaggerated.

Here's a (small) archived thread to this
I used only Wikipedia and Jewish sources and the numbers didn't add up-more jews were killed than there actually were in Europe

Just think, is it illegal in many European countries to question the Armenian Genocide? Or the Ukranian Genocide? Or the Rwandan Genocide? No. Then why is it illegal to question the Jewish Genocide?

Always remember what Voltaire said, "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize".

My understanding is that there are a lot of studies to try to estimate death tolls, and those studies place Jews executed between ~200k to 1.1 million and total Jewish deaths at 2-6 million. These studies are estimating confidence intervals and ranges with 6 million being the highest of the study that takes into account the most indirect factors (like saying Jews who died in Ukraine due to famine where Nazi related).

Then these same studies place the non Jewish other civilian deaths at 5-12 million.

Yet the Jewish deaths are reported as 6 million and the other is reported at 5 million.

The gas chambers are a myth, just like the myth that Nazis made soap out of human fat (from Jewish concentration camp prisoners). The soap accusation was later debunked by historians but was repeated by some Jews well into the 1990s. Even today you might find some people repeating it as fact, such is the power of stories that are believed on faith rather than evidence. Other accusations never caught on to the same extent because they were simply too unbelievable.

"Holocaust survivors" admit that they heard rumors about the gas chambers from other Jews before even arriving at a concentration camp. Thus if a Jew lost a loved one during the war, they simply assumed they had gone to the gas chambers. Even after the Allies investigated a camp and determined it was not a death camp, Jews who had been there would repeat the story because they felt they were doing a good thing for the "victims". Insodoing the myth is reinforced without a shred of truth or evidence.

Gas chambers did exist, but were a life-saving measure to exterminate Typhus-spreading lice in clothing. That's why eyewitnesses often include details like haircuts & showers (life-saving pest deterrant measures). Despite these efforts, Typhus (aka "camp fever", "ship fever", etc.) resulted in tens of thousands of deaths in the camps - possibly 200,000 by the end of the war going by Red Cross reports. That's why the camps needed crematories. But those deaths weren't planned, in fact the Germans tried to prevent them, and total nowhere near 6,000,000.

You can hear directly from Jews, and learn more about the improbability of the story, why the numbers claimed to have been killed in gas chambers at Auschwitz is scientifically & technically impossible, in the following video. Watch it & make up your own mind.

>Auschwitz - Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth:
youtube.com/watch?v=PE56dcgGVMs

>be un-biased historical researcher
>"soviet era propaganda claimed that 2,000,000 people were killed at the auschwitz-birkenau complex"
>"however, with the fall of the iron curtain we have determined that it was likely only 1,000,000 people."
>"but this doesn't change the overall 6,000,000 figure for the holocaust"
>"since that figure was based on population differences before and after the war, not on a total of concentration camp deaths."

>be holocaust denier researcher
>"Soviets lied about the number of jews killed!"
>"IT'S ALL FAKE!!! We found an error so EVERYTHING MUST CRUMBLE!!!"
>"CRUMBLE LIKE THE ASHES OF A JEW BEING SHOVELED OUT OF THE FURNACE!!!"

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You probably can't even watch these in Germany, but if you can access CODOH.COM then you can download the videos there.

>b-but I heard 6 million died in the holocaust!
Normies swallow 6 gorillion because they never critically examine such a grisly topic, believing (((Hollywood))) and Allied history is 100% factual

>b-but what about the Nuremberg trials! Some Nazis admitted war crimes, so it must be true Hitler had a Final Solution to kill all the Jews!
Allies tortured German POWs. Gerstein claimed 25 million were killed, does that sound believable? At Dachau Nazis had their testicles kicked in and crushed beyond repair

>b-but it wasn't just Auschwitz!
At Majdanek, (((Soviets))) said 2 million were killed in gas chambers.
Now they say The Majdanek Gas Chamber Myth:
youtube.com/watch?v=pDsJtB2F9i8

>b-but the Reinhard death camps: Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec!
There is little to support the claim that tens of thousands, let alone 1.3 MILLION died
>1/3rd of the Holocaust (debunked):
youtube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE

>b-but Nazis made lampshades out of tattooed Jewish inmates!
The lampshade myth comes from a propaganda film made to de-Nazify Germany by a US Psych Warfare unit
>Buchenwald: A Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil:
youtube.com/watch?v=3HlPcaP9x5o

>b-but I've seen Steven Spielberg's Survivors of the Shoah!
Watch the following
>The Last Days of the Big Lie
youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

>o-ok, let's suppose you're right. Why does it matter?!
It matters because no one can criticize the Jews without being labeled an anti-semite. Denial is ILLEGAL in 20 countries
>The JQ:
youtube.com/watch?v=IKy3fCvMz-8

One thing I have noticed with holocaust "survivor" stories is that a large number of them seem to be full of "stolen valor" tier stories. As in they dont make any sense but because the person is an old Jew the story is believed by default in the same way a guy wearing cammo can talk about his days in Iraq as a USMC Ranger SEAL.

Example:
>woman surived holocaust
>was put infront of a firing squad and dropped to the ground when she heard gunfire thus avoiding bullets
>Then pretends to be dead when Nazis leave she runs away
>captured by Nazos again later on
>Put in line for gas chamber, collapses due to illness
>evil Nazis take her to hospital to get better so she can die healthy in the gas chamber

Then there are the mad scientist stories:
>Nazis are using comic book tier tech to kill people
>men put in room, fills woth water
>when the water gets waist deep they fill the water with electricity and it kills all the people
>water is drained, then the dead bodies are electricuted again till they are ash
Also:
>Nazis build roller coaster of death
>make jews (only Jews, not the dozen or so other groups they were killing, only Jews) get on roller coaster
>coaster goes up and down and in loops
>at the end it dumps the people into a furnace
Finally there are the torture stories that make no sense in any light.
>Nazis put teenaged male Jews in masturbation machines
>All day teen boys are jerked off by a machine getting hundreds of orgasms
>end of day boys can barely walk
>this goes on till the boys die

There is no evidence of any of this being remotely true. Yet becaise it is an old Jew saying it, it is believed regardless of how stupid if sounds.

why do you jews now insist on including partisan fighters on the eastern front with the "holocaust"?

Your blatant misrepresentations are easily revealed.

There are examples of using gas chambers, but not as they are commonly talked about.

They did use carbon monoxide to humanly put down the mentally retarded.

Also both Nazis and Soviet forces hooked up exhaust to train cars to mass execute people and dumb them in a shallow grave next to train tracks. .

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I am not a jew, but they did kill somewhere between 200-800k jews in ww2, and a lot died of indirect causes of war. But they killed more Polish, Catholics, and people that didn't align with the political views than jews.

Also Stalin killed more jews than Hitler.

>>"IT'S ALL FAKE!!! We found an error so EVERYTHING MUST CRUMBLE!!!"

Do you have any idea how many fucking GIANT HOLES there are in the "official narrative" of the holocaust?

No one denies that Jews were persecuted, rounded up into camps, and that many died in the camps as a result of various causes. But there are many scientific claims that simply have no basis in reality. There is no evidence.

For example, they claim 700,000 bodies were buried in mass graves at Treblinka. The problem: the accusers never imagined that we would invent ground-penetrating radar. Ground-penetrating radar reveals some mass graves, but they are only big enough for hundreds, maybe thousands of bodies. Nowhere near the room / size required for 700,000 bodies.

They also claim those 700,000 bodies were later dug up and cremated, which is why there's no evidence at the site. How convenient!

This is covered in this video:

>1/3rd of the Holocaust (debunked):
youtube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE

>bomb supply lines
>Germany cant feed their own troops let alone the camps

Allied propaganda during world war one was to depict the central powers as bloodthirsy evil murderous psychos. Instead of what? Portraying them as political agents doing what everyone did to win wars. During the second world war, the Allied propaganda aim did not change. And so Germany was depicted as a murderous evil barbaric psychopath. Even though all great powers did basically the same thing. Nobody talks about British atrocities against India or Africans or Midddle Easterners.

>Allied atrocities
Yup,such as Eisenhower's death camps,where a huge amount of german POWs died of starvation and diseases

YES YES YES YES YES YES IT FUCKING HAPPENED DON'T YOU EVEN DARE BE IGNORANT AND DENY ANY BOT OF IT BECAUSE IT HAPPENED AND YOU ARE TOO IGNORANT TO ACCEPT ANY NEW EVIDENCE YOU PIECE OF SHIT LOOK

They killed hundreds of thousands of Ottoman POW in camps setup in Burma too. Also British and French death squad’ed secular, nationalist intellectuals in Syria, Egypt, Palestine, and Iraq after ww1.

why are you posting Allied English translations of supposed German documents as if this proves anything?

>Carbon Monoxide killings
This is bullshit, gas vans are an old conspiracy theory that got debunked by pro-holocaust historians of all people ages ago.
If they killed retards at all it was by the bullet, which I am convinced they didn't. More propaganda lies for the dumb masses.

The burden of proof is on you assuming that the documents are falsely translated]

You nazi piece of shit faggot you're gonna fucking lose and I swear to god I'll relish in your butthurt

>gas vans are an old conspiracy theory that got debunked

Proof?
Wikipedia here (with sources) shows it happened
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_van#Use_in_Nazi_Germany

>kekistan flag
>all caps
Stop being an autist and look at the evidence
I used ony wikipedia and info from jewish documentaries about the holocaust/US holocaust memorial museum and i couldn't get the 6 million.
It added up to 4'696'020 jews in all of German occupied areas.(+-300'000).
So nazis killed more jews than there actually were.
Wew lad

from hitlers table talks (1941 pg 87)

>"from the rostrum of the Reichstag I prophesiesed to jewry that, in the event of war's proving inevitable, the jew would disappear from europe. that race of criminals has on its conscience the two million dead of the first world war, and now already hundreds of thousands more. let nobody tell me that all the same we can't park them in the marshy parts of Russia! who's worrying about our troops? It's not a bad idea, by the way, that public rumor attributes to us a plan to exterminate the Jews. terror is a salutary thing"

holocaust believers btfo

I haven't seen you in a while, nice to know you're using the Reddit and EU flags.


To any observers: This nut works for the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
He's been here for 6 fucking years.

See:

He also has a blog he posts, its theme is "BTFOING DENIERS" but all the shit he puts up is drivel that only retards believe. Hell the dude even tries to prove the shrunken heads shit and the lampshades/soap.

I'm not your boogyman you dumb faggot, just bc someone disagrees with stormfags and nazi LARPing doesn't mean they are autistic like you

You still refuse to debate the evidence I have presented

If it was really true would it be illegal in 20 countries to question?

Actually, Voltaire never said that. It was one of /ourguys/.

Aaron you can drop the act man we've been at this for half a fucking decade.
The night I decide to stay up real late, no to stay up late and peruse this cursed fucking imageboard you're here making a stink.

You posted a fucking wikipedia article. That isn't evidence. The footnotes it has might be, you never even bother using them anyway.
You always pull this
>LOOK IT UP URSELF
Shit.

Fuck you.

this is literally hitler saying admitting he has a plan to exterminate Jews and that its a good thing people think they will

These are just circle arguments of sources citing each other citing dubious allied propagandists. Do you really think Germans also made soap out of Jews? The other day on NPR I heard a professor at an ivy league claim that Trump is literally Stalin because alt-right trolls are the same thing as the “divisive, hate-filled rhetoric” used against the Kulaks in Ukraine. That’s the level of intellectual academic discourse in the West. Open your eyes (and ears).

he's saying that the rumours are good for terrorizing the jews, not that he is actually doing the exterminating

>Samefagging this hard
Just end yourself already.

Lol
>I like the idea of unwanted peoples thinking we are killing them so they leave
means
>I AM KILLING UNWANTED PEOPLE

Good work detective Shlomo, I'm sure your SWC is paying you well for your work LOL

Jesus fucking chrit I'm NOT Aaron Sir smith or who ever from imgur. You refuse to look at the evidence I have presented you. You're no better intellectually than an SJW or a hard leftist. Fucking brainlet hahaha everyone in this thread is laughing at you

LOL I DIDN'T EVEN USE THE FULL NAME AARON

LOLOLOLOL
FUCKING RETARD

>why no, I am not this ____ person you seek
Come the fuck on this is pathetic you schizophrenic shill

>I like the idea of unwanted peoples thinking we are killing them so they leave
>so they'll leave

what part of that sentence indicates that his motivation is to get them to leave? If you can unironically show me then I think David Irving might be right... I've never seen that quote myself

>I'm NOT Aaron smith
At no point in his post he called you Aaron Smith,just Aaron.
>or who ever
So you know about who he is talking about,shill.

One important result of the deconstruction of truth in academia has been the sincere recognition that truth is political, little more than propaganda based on power, and so anything and everything can comfortably be manufactured, molded, twisted to fit your political aims. All facts, all data, all information is but raw material in the canvas you paint to reinforce your power. This is the ideology of our academic establishment, there is no shame about lying.

>motivation
No the German govt didn't spread the rumor civvies did.

>David Irving
WTF are you talking about.
Everyone is laughing at you.

Okay I'll stop shitposting, I'm genuinely curious see

Yeah like I said he's been here for a while.

You are both retarded because that sentence doesn't exist in a vacuum.

buddy there is a huge collection of books at www.holocausthandbooks.com as well as documentaries. i implore you to look at at least one of those if you want more information. generally the evidence for the holocaust comes down to confessions, survivor witnesses and a handful of documents presented at the nuremburg trials. the revisionist view looks primarily at the logistical feasibility of the murder of 11 million. it is extremely suspicious that there is next to no physical evidence (no body counts, ashes nothing) and all the while people are going to jail for questioning the holocaust

Because I know who you're referring to, Aaron smith spams his shit here with an Austrian flag. when I browse holocaust threads on /his/ people post screen caps of him responding to holocaost narrative critics

Yes it was real. The deniers are larping morons.

He's a dude who works for the Simon Wiesenthal Center he already knows it's not real he gets paid to convince people it is. Don't bother. He also hits up CODOH and I'm sure Stormfront (Actually, scratch that, site's dead lol) every now and again.

how do you know it is real if you have not personally verified it? do you think it is credibile if historians go to jail for 5 years for questiong the holocaust? all the evidence we have for the holocaust is 70 years old. since then none of it has been updated or investigated

You have met deniers its just against hidden rules to say it

Nice stroking your own dick there Aaron.

>What do you think?
It's the most important part of the founding myth of the Federal Republic of Germany.

Just because I don't believe in the holocaust myth doesn't mean I'm a nazi. In fact I am pro-Israel because I see the damage your people are doing throughout the west and I would prefer if you all fucked off to your country.

THIS

THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH!

You're not actually trying to say that Auschwitz was nice place to be, are you? Because that's what you sound like. And I'm sorry but the fact that there may have been a few privileged inmates who had access to recreational facilities or healthcare proves nothing, for the vast majority of people there it was hell.

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Okay what proof do you have that I, Sir Aaron Rrrrrodgers. Hlocaust historian and blacked porn connoisseur, am wrong?
XDDDDD

No but you have to admit there is a difference between:
>The worst thing that ever happened!
To
>Everysingle other POW camp in the world at the time

Didnt’t a number of special ops smuggle in and out? It had activities, orchestra, basically a Norwegian prison. Towards the end, hunger and disease ravaged ALL OF GERMANY. Civilians also starved and died. As for creepy medical experiments, the US did them too and so did Russia, UK, and France.

Or perhaps he's just a normie who stumbled upon this thread. You have to realise how crazy Holocaust deniers seem to the vast majority of people.

They will never all go there because they want to enlist other countries to serve Israel. The diaspora is probably Israel’s greatest asset and the frontline of defense.

>doesn't exist in a vacuum
The fuck do you mean? If Hitler in 1924 saying Jews need to be exterminated can be extrapolated for 20 years and used against him for the holocaust I'm pretty sure the same can happen for just 4 years

So you're an alt-rightist?

Auschwitz was not a PoW camp.

I would give a class psychology/law task about considering motivations behind questioning gas chambers aside of technical arguments.

I think there can be many interesting motivations.

Just one example: It would be sensational to prove it and would make me famous.

Most of the time adherence to Nazi ideology is implied.

How does Holocaust denial effect how you vote at all? There are plenty of Leftists who deny the Holocaust and hate Jews. Heck most people just find Jews distasteful in general, all races and creeds seem to agree on that.

racist... piece... of SHIT!

I'm legally required to believe in the stories of the rollercoaster, the semen milking machine and the underground atomic bomb. So I do. Questioning our history would be an antisemitic hatecrime and threaten our free and open democratic country with free and open press and a free and open educational system that doesn't have to adhere to strict globalist politicised agendas. Never forget.

>I am only pretending to be retarded
Dude I've interacted (if that is the word to use) with you, on multiple occasions, for over 5 years now.
I know you're not joking, you legitimately get shekels to post pro-holocaust shit.

Are you saying you hit up /his/ now? Because that's fucking hilarious. /his/ are retards but I hope they run you off every time.


Let me do some old fashioned conspiracy theory BTFOing for any viewers at home

>Irving Letter
Yeah like anyone with half a brain would believe this redneck fucking script.
I wouldn't be surprised if Irving himself wrote it to duck out when the heat got too high. Don't blame him for ducking out of course, but the letter never had a proper source he just said "It's legit guys trust me" and moved on.

If noone on /his/ calls this piece out they are truly inbred southern retards, or from Poortugal.

>holes cut in le roof!
Yeah, those nondescript blobs are holes. Totally man. Just like all those pics of bigfoot aren't just a dude in a chimp costume.

>proceeds to post bunkum matching
Still no proofs

>Zyklon B was used to kill people XDDD
Good to know you're a redneck kike with a proxy who doesn't know a damned thing about chemistry.
Zyklon B begins decomposing into HCN about above room temperature, very slowly. In fact, if left at room temperature or heated by the huddled bodies of Jews it would take quite a while to fumigate the room and kill everyone.
This is avoided by using a heating source, which no claimant has ever claimed they had a heating source in le gas chambers.

>Concentrations
Yeah and there was MORE found in the fucking bunks than in the places they supposedly used the zyklon constantly. So if the clothes were able to carry more to their bunks than into the storage bunkers woops I mean gas chambers than just dumping the shit in the gas chambers what does that tell us?

The reality of the situation is that the world wanted to vilify germany for causing so much death and damages.
Remember that even without jews, germany brought europe to its knees, financialy speaking.
You will never know for certain what exactly happened because of disinformation on this subject, most infographics posted here about the 6 million are fake, others are out of context.

If you want to be a member of any normal western society, you will not deny it happened, because you will be socially outcast and tagged, that tag is hard to remove. It will affect your life, your work, your friends will hate you and your family will dispair. This is how it plays out 99% of the time for all the braniacs that think its a good idea to come out in public with their biased ideas.

Why? Because we came to a point where the truth is irrelevant, you can clearly see it by laws that prevent you from doubting it. The entire world is in on it. So you need to ask yourself, what is more important ? Being a functional member of society ? Or becoming a socially outcast edgelord everybody hates with anons as your only "friends" and being tagged as a nazi, maybe going to prison, maybe not ever being able to land a descent job because the nazi tag doesnt wear off.
Decide wisely.

Repeat after me, 6 million died. You welcome.

Nice memeflag and caps, faggot.
Please go back to t_d and let the men discuss this one.

He never said anything about killing them. He said that Germany had to free itself from the slave master jewish elites. Jews interpret this to mean “he’a evil!!!!!”

Go read Horkheimer or any German Jew, Jews had never been so accepted and welcome as in Germany. They grew rich and powerful. And when Germany needed them to be loyal Germans, the Jews sold out the country for their own profits and shekels... enslaving the remaining vestiges with brutality. Hitler was Germany waking up.

>racism = observing and acknowledging average differences between races
>racism = observing trends
>racism = observing reality
So you're butthurt that someone speaks openly about the truth? Hmmm...

>muh finances
You just want to be a fucking stereotype don't you boy?

I am truly sorry for what is happening there. I see it is coming to us too. There are more and more faggots and dykes. Yesterday me and my friends counted the number of niggers (not cigans) we saw. It was fucking 8, and we went out for 3 hours. I saw the first black when I was 13. Fucking hell, they are multiplying.


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Enjoy the ride

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No you aren't. It's funny how Holocaust deniers always focus on the most obscure and obviously fake accounts of the Holocaust that nobody else has even heard of, and then try to use these as evidence to say that the whole thing was fake. When people talk about the Holocaust, they DON'T talk about masturbation machines, the holocauster, lampshades or whatever shit you think of.

Wow Aaron brought the whole crew.
I feel giddy. Did your boss get a new grant from certain individuals or groups again?

>masturbation machines
Well,that's a new one

Wtf? Who is Aaron?

He says "Noone's ever heard of" as if historians didn't use their accounts for their major compilations like Hillberg or Arad.

Your coworker.

see

Oh he knows, he's one of the dudes Aaron used to have tag team with him. He hasn't been here for maybe over a year now.

Mabe it's seasonal work for them.

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lol only the last video is permited in my country

Use a proxy or one of the 'proxytube' things

Grow up you paranoid piece of shit.

>Bad Arolsen contains 30 million documents on survivors of Nazi camps, Gestapo prisons, forced labourers and displaced persons. It rivals Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust centre and the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum in historical value.
>The Red Cross (ICRC) had managed Bad Arolsen since 1955.
>“At death camps like Sobibor or Auschwitz, only natural causes of death are recorded - heart failure or pneumonia,” said spokeswoman, Kathrin Flor. “There’s no mention of gassing."
huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/german-holocaust-archive-bad-arolsen_n_3005313.html

I'm not the schizophrenic freak who gets paid to lie for a living.

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If it was real, then they wouldn't put laws in place to penalize those who deny it.

Seriously bruv, consider suicide. Your living is pathetic and I'm sure your life otherwise is too.

well you do know that this meat needs sauce right?

Check the macro, all the sources are mentioned in the boxes. Highlighted too.