Why is the global warming theory so cherished by the left?

Jonathan Jones
Jonathan Jones

If it was truly a scientific issue it should not be politicized at all, so why does the far left insist that it is happening while conservatives take a more nuanced view?

My own theory is that leftists use global warming as a kind of blank slate upon which they project their own personal insecurities about their own future. And as most of them will not be leaving behind a genetic legacy that future is pretty bleak.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv9OSxTy1aU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JIuKjaY3r4
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/02/pentagon-fights-climate-change-sea-level-rise-defense-department-military/
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/world-report/articles/2017-08-01/the-pentagon-finally-gets-it-climate-change-is-a-national-security-threat
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/612710/
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/14/military-experts-climate-change-significant-security-risk
https://www.colorlines.com/articles/how-sierra-club-learned-love-immigration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UagqOHScNs
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/earth-has-been-much-colder2c-and-much-hotter-than-today/5042886
https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/07/global-livestock-counts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UagqOHScNs
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/48/19513.full
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_electrolysis
http://www.brighthub.com/environment/renewable-energy/articles/78303.aspx
https://energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-thermochemical-water-splitting
Gabriel Rivera
Gabriel Rivera

whats wrong with politics around environmentalism
The timeless saying good intentions pave the road to hell. The Left is right but wrong in getting to the end result. The Right is wrong in end result but correct in saying we need to take nuanced steps to achieving that goal.

Reality is both are shit. One doesn't want to kill their golden goose, the other just wants to throw everything into chaos just so they get a few good feelings out of it.

Dominic Young
Dominic Young

at die day
w-what happens at die day

Nathan Robinson
Nathan Robinson

Yes but we don't have to accept the leftist premise that the world is in deadly danger. In fact the whole environmental movement is not even grounded in reality and now promotes lies to justify its existence.

Chase Bell
Chase Bell

Nah, bro, it's more utilitarian than that.
Notice how every "solution" involves massive new taxes and regulation? How they never explain exactly how these taxes are going to make the world colder? (A few of the zealots might blurt out that the point is to make the masses poorer and thus less carbon-emitting). How it involves making poor people ride the bus while they jet around to one conference after another? How when someone points out that all their proposed measures will have essentially zero impact on the climate - even according to their own estimates - they say we must do them anyway?
For some it's a cult, for others it's a racket, for the bovine masses it's just virtue signaling.

Angel Taylor
Angel Taylor

it serves as substitute for religion. michael crichton was the first to point that out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv9OSxTy1aU

Luis Thompson
Luis Thompson

Most people need some kind of religion, and the unquestioning belief in global warming satisfies this. It makes them feel like they are a good person because they believe in something and take small steps to fix it.

They predict doomsday if we "sin" by using carbon. Sounds a lot like the crazier Christians like WBC.

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

Because they are worried that if we do not take action sooner rather than later, we will end up paying far more to correct the damage than if we'd just prevented the damage in the first place.
I know it's a bit difficult for an economic illiterate like yourself to get your head around, but there you go.

Luis Ortiz
Luis Ortiz

Why did the girl in middle have to turn around and ruin the whole fucking shot.

Isaac Hughes
Isaac Hughes

I had no idea Michael chrichton thought that. Pretty neat

Aiden Ward
Aiden Ward

If it was truly a scientific issue it should not be politicized at all
Tell that to the fossil fuel companies that have a vested interest in it being politicized and slowing down a shift from fossil fuels to renewables
While conservatives take a more nuanced view
You mean flat out denying anthropogenoc global warming?
There's absolutely 0 debate on the reality of it, and there hasn't been for a while.
The only debate now is how do we slow it down/reverse it, and THAT is political. Do we leave it to individuals, governents, corporations, carbon credits, carbon tax, do we finally stop fossil fuel companies from stifling renewables, etc etc

Dominic Russell
Dominic Russell

Because the only way to fix it (according to them) is for the government to do something. Naturally that would involve

1. High taxes, specifically a carbon tax
2. Punishing "evil" oil corporations
3. more industry regulations

Everything the left loves and wants more of.

Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

It was going to be a tax on the very air we breathe. Muh shekels.

Carter King
Carter King

aT diE day

WTF

Kayden Mitchell
Kayden Mitchell

Should we pay now for a future alien invasion too?

Anthony Edwards
Anthony Edwards

damn what a butterface

also, climate change is a scam

Nolan Long
Nolan Long

Global warming theory is tied directly to the globalist hope of uniting the planet under one banner, one bank and one ruling elite. It's a key part in bring humanity together for another common cause, despite it being a fraud.

Leftist media is just doing what it's told basically. The rhetoric for supporting such a theory is incredibly weak, but you know the saying. Repeat the lie enough and everyone will believe it.

Easton Ramirez
Easton Ramirez

anything that makes the civilized world PAY whilst the shitskins/non-whites of the world continue shitting up the planet

Luke Stewart
Luke Stewart

Global warming is a myth, climate change is not.

Adam Lewis
Adam Lewis

huge tax benefits and the ability to be holier than thou

Nathan Williams
Nathan Williams

It is a way to stop the utility companies and corporations from jewing us.

Nolan Evans
Nolan Evans

Wrong.
Way to lie about it and prove the point.

Ryan Phillips
Ryan Phillips

1: Secularized Christian narrative of original sin of Man (pollution) that all must repent for fiinds great traction among leftists.
2: Better, it's a sin that can be paid for by the elite with indulgences (carbon credit)
3: Get to brutally tax a necessary commodity (petrol) until "the climate stops changing".

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

It's because the "Green" industry has been conjured up to meet a demand that doesn't exist. It's classical Kikery 101, kvetch about a "problem" endlessly - then use the media and state to generate funds for it. Crash your companies, go bankrupt and profit. Lather rinse repeat. Global warming is a scam - follow the money.

Colton Torres
Colton Torres

It was politicized by al gore. Indeed fossil fuel interests responded.

That doesn't stop a shit ton of people treating this as the #1 political issue. A lot more of them are on the left.

Caleb Evans
Caleb Evans

have you seen this?

Aiden Garcia
Aiden Garcia

Wish I could find a better chart.

Basically liberals with no other worry in the world tend to latch onto global warming as their reason to vote liberal.

Mason Barnes
Mason Barnes

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

Stop it. Al gore isn't some boogeyman leader of a hippie cult, he's an ex politician turned activist who's crusade is climate change.
He's not an authority, and people attacking him makes no sense.
The vast majority of climate scientists all around the world, from different countries and institutions, all agree thay mankind is the main driver behind the rapid increase in global average temperature.
This objective issue has been politicized by fossil fuel companies, and there is an extensive paper trail to prove it.
Every single high profile dissenter on this topic can be traced back to some institute or group giving them funding, which also receives funding indirectly from fossil fuel companies.
These dissenters, while making a tiny tiny minority, are constantly portrayed in 1 on 1 debates in media, creating a false depiction of what scientific stance is on the matter

Sebastian Nelson
Sebastian Nelson

it was global cooling 10 years ago, don't believe their bullshit

Alexander Robinson
Alexander Robinson

everyone who agrees with me refuses to debate it
therefore there is no debate
Fucking classic.

Nolan Sullivan
Nolan Sullivan

the NE of america set record low temps this last week, but we are in a global warming cycle.............ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the sun dictates the weather, but liberals refuse to think that anything they can't control affects them

Mason King
Mason King

Global warming is the final boss of conspiracy thereory

Levi Sanders
Levi Sanders

global
Well. You are half right.

Austin Long
Austin Long

I talk about al gore because his presentation was an absolute insult to science. Correlation is not causation.

I actually do believe in agw but pieces of shit like him have polluted the debate. Now I have non scientists trying to argue science to me like it's their religion.

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JIuKjaY3r4

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

The world isn't in danger.
Humans are.
The world will get on just fine.

It's not just a political issue. The military considers global warming to be the most significant threat to national security and stability. The Pentagon is terrified of climate change.

Get learned.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/02/pentagon-fights-climate-change-sea-level-rise-defense-department-military/

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/world-report/articles/2017-08-01/the-pentagon-finally-gets-it-climate-change-is-a-national-security-threat

https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/612710/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/14/military-experts-climate-change-significant-security-risk

So you can say whatever you want about personal insecurities and genetic legacies.

People who are actually in charge of preparing for catastrophes are afraid, and you're just a silly philistine trying to project a false sense of masculinity on Sup Forums.

Ryder Myers
Ryder Myers

tens of thousands of scientists specializing in the field of climate science hold a unanimous position through scientific consensus vs a plucky band of a couple hundred dissenting oil-payed scientists who specialize in fields completely unrelated to climate science
There's a debate

The only debate now is policy moving forward, and I don't really have a strong position on that except that we have to do something

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

The theory behind global warming is sound. Th epredictive models have shown themselves to be shit though - so the actual extent of human influence and what would be reasonable things to do should remain a discussion.
Somehow the current left just have gotten their hands on of this possibly real big time trouble to use as a boogeyman to force their own specific brand of global totalitarianism. For some reasons always their "solutions" involve more and more centralized control over everybody. Also for some reason they also seem to involve fucking with western countries and their population while demanding their resources to be spread around for some retarded meme-projects in some cannibal infested jungle countries.

Lincoln Williams
Lincoln Williams

corellation is not causation
Unless there's ample evidence to support it. Which there is.
Al gore said the arctic would be gone by 2013. He was wrong. However, the arctic has been rapidly diminishing, and its rate of loss was predicted by actual climate scientists.
He's one guy, and he's not an authority on the subject. And he said some erroneous things, but he still happens to be taking a position that is correct

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

The frequency of record breaking cold temps is dropping, and the frequency of record breaking hot temps is drastically rising

Brandon King
Brandon King

The universally agreeable way to move forward is renewables, a border wall, deportations, and ending aid to Africa.

Lefty environmentalism will be a fucking joke so long as they support illegal immigration.

Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

Global warming is happening, it’s obvious it is. It’s a cycle that’s happened before and it’ll happen again. The stance of “its solely humans fault” is nonsense as much as “LOL FAKE NEWS ITS A LIE” is.

Humans didn’t start global warming, but we have contributed to it.

Jack Evans
Jack Evans

Models are actually fairly congruent with measurments

Caleb Sullivan
Caleb Sullivan

How does illegal immigration affect climate change?
And yea you're definitely gonna want to build a wall when the middle east becomes uninhabitable.
Kuwait reached temperatures of 54°C for multiple weeks last summer

Luis Lopez
Luis Lopez

My point is the retarded way in which most people argue, using anecdotes like hurricane Harvey. Not even hurricane scientists said global warming was the issue. Engineers will also point out this simple law of thermodynamics - in theory global warming actually weakens hurricanes.

Grayson Ward
Grayson Ward

our measurements agree with us

alrighty then lmao

Jace Butler
Jace Butler

Lets go genius, treat me like a child:
How are humans contributing to climate change?

Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore

Pic related

treat me like a child
If that's what you're in to.
Greenhouse gas emissions

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

Americans use MUCH higher carbon per capita than Mexicans. When they move to the US they increase emissions.

I have zero respect for environmental groups at this point because of this.
https://www.colorlines.com/articles/how-sierra-club-learned-love-immigration

There's no rational explanation for this. Environtalism is leftist,

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

Ok, but doesn't that kind of seem like a superfluous thing to worry about? I mean if you yourself acknowledge the reality of AGW then what does it matter that some people are being retards about it?

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

I for myself welcome global warming
At least it will get warmer here

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

I think you've taken the tinfoil position here friendo, rethink your argument. It's unproven and very conspiratory.

Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson

lel the earth gets all its heat from the sun
none from the magma core xD

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

That's a good point.
I guess the best solution would be to find a way to lower american's emissions per capita.
Don't know how though.
Electricity is a pretty straight forward fix, but when it comes to manufacturing i honestly don't know how we can replace oil

Lincoln Adams
Lincoln Adams

The hard left loves environmentalism as an effective means to punish industry. That's why the founding members of orgs like the Sierra Club and Greenpeace grew disgusted with their own creations. They were infiltrated by morons who didn't understand the science and just liked the romanticism of fighting established interests and being in harmony with nature.

It's politicized because the people who push "Global Warming" hardest are usually saying the Earth will be an uninhabitable mess unless we do all the things they conveniently wanted before they knew about warming.

Alexander Green
Alexander Green

Not real science. The models that involve a runaway water vapor effect are not falsifiable and the real data has been diverging from the models for a decade now

Austin Anderson
Austin Anderson

This shouldn't be a political issue but the right is fucking retarded with their denial of science.

Anthony Thompson
Anthony Thompson

The solution they offer (carbon credits) amounts to killing the US economy.

As I said I would fully support a massive investment in renewables. It's a positive effort and helps energy independence. Also helps rural people. Renewables shouldn't be seen so politically, they're good for everyone.

Jaxson Wright
Jaxson Wright

The evidence is overwhelming. Literally every single country in the world except for the united states is signed on to the paris accord.
Hundreds of thousands of government officials taking scientific advice from tens of thousands of scientists who've cited over a century and a half's worth of papers and documents.
At this point, the burden of proof is on you, and I promise you, you aren't going to prove jack shit

Lol no

Jose Turner
Jose Turner

posting the sociologist study with poor methadology whereupon any paparr that mentions agw is taken to mean an agreement with the status quo

Lmoa brainlet

Caleb Walker
Caleb Walker

Science is gay and perverted now, completely ruined by jews. Don't you fuck wads know this by now? Even space is a giant fucking farce.

Jonathan Ward
Jonathan Ward

I agree.
Fossil fuels received subsidies when they were getting started, and still receive subsidies today, so why not renewables?

Adam Butler
Adam Butler

Mostly this. The world is in fact going to shit and this is caused by human forces, but global warming as it is currently taught is a crude caricature of scientific thought. Then we get to the solutions, which are as ridiculous as cutting down the number of cows we raise (because one species can directly cause geologic scale change, right?).

Furthermore, jumping from global warming to forcing use taxes is pretty ridiculous when system level change is necessary, rather than concocting another money siphoning scheme.

Tyler Howard
Tyler Howard

Yet despite everyone on the same globalist bandwagon, you still haven't proven anything. Does this tell you nothing at all?

You're either a naive zombie or you're in on the agenda. I'm going to go with the former, and that's really a compliment, because it means you have time to realize your mistake.

Christopher Torres
Christopher Torres

over 90% of the modals are wrong
B-b-but muhhhh water vapor is acting is predicted we will all die unless we all burn money and use JEWNEWABLE energy and not EVIL DIRTY ANTISEMTIC 4TH GEN NUCLEAR REEEEE

Wyatt Ward
Wyatt Ward

Because it's a government-subsidized communist front.

Benjamin Reyes
Benjamin Reyes

Literally every single country in the world except for the united states is signed on to the paris accord.
What makes you think the United States has to participate in the Paris Accord? Trump is right, if we are to change the world we won't convince others to do so by doing it simply of our own good graces. We should be economically incented to do so.

Christian Hughes
Christian Hughes

Would it be in American best interest to bring everyone erlse down to crushing poverty where they emit next to none greenhouse gases because they are too busy starving to death while they keep their current living standards?

Luis Long
Luis Long

The "environmentalist movement" in the grand scheme is not truly in favor of less greenhouse gas emissions. They don't mind if emissions stay the same, they just want people to suffer for it and become poorer. Because poorer people are more likely to vote for the leftist parties.

Why do I say this?

Back in the post WWII years we finally discovered a cheap alternative fuel that could power energy plants and other needs for a really long time. Of course, I'm talking about Nuclear Power.

The Oil Companies feared this, especially those in the Middle East who were newly powerful and wealthy. They knew that if Nuclear Power caught on, it would mean the end of the Oil Industry as we know it.

That's why in the 60s, aside from the good aspects of environmentalism like curbing river pollution and discouraging littering, the main movement was against nuclear power. Environmentalists said it was way too dangerous cause muh nuke bombs and because of the nuclear waste. Even though it can be safely stored, they said "well what if it spills or something". This, combined with the natural fear of the immense power of Nuclear Fission, was enough to scare the public and the politicians. Thats why the US stopped building nuclear plants.

also you need to do more research. Earth's temperature has fluctuated over it's multibillion year history. Many times in the recent past it was hotter than it is now. There's no reason to think the recent tiny rise in temp is linked to carbon emissions. Correlation not causation my dude

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

1. You don't actually understand how the cook et al study works
2. They've since revisited it and found that the 3% of papers not supporting agw was wrong
3. There's 7 consensus studies that all find the same results
4. These studies weren't opinion polls, they reviewed the papers and extrapolated the data, which overwhelmingly supports agw

Connor Adams
Connor Adams

Many times in the recent past it was hotter than it is now.
not true.

Carson Brown
Carson Brown

My family, especially my father, are this unique brand of nu left environmentalist. All aside from me and my Mother are Atheist, and it's plain to see that they have replaced environment as their god.

I think it's similar to Marxist theory. Rather than bourgeoisie and proletariat, the oppressor is humanity, and the oppressed is the world. Neo-Marxism, if you will.

Because it is a collectivist line of thinking, you hear many environmentalists says things like, 'there are too many people', which obviously dehumanises people by collectivising them.

When you speak to these environmentalist types, challenge them on this point. Ask them if their close family is more important to them than the world's environment. Then close friends. Then extended friends. At what point, does the environment become more important than people? I've found people usually realise their level of daft once confronted with this question.

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

You know whats even funnier? There was an alternativr method of nuclear energy being developed in the 60s that was far more energy efficient, cheaper and safer than conventional fast breeder high pressure reactors. But it was shelved until the chinks and poos started developing it by using our old research. Its bullshit lmao

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

Who actually doesn't believe agw is real? Of course it is. The only dispute is whether we should cuck our economy over it, and to that I say no.

Isaac Johnson
Isaac Johnson

Also this. Global Warming is just hell for atheists. Instead of "Do what we say or you'll go to hell"

Now it is, "Do what we say or the earth will heat up and we'll all burn and die"

Nathan Roberts
Nathan Roberts

The hard left loves environmentalism as an effective means to punish industry. That's why the founding members of orgs like the Sierra Club and Greenpeace grew disgusted with their own creations.

Indeed. Recommended reading on that subject: "Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout" by Patrick Moore. He runs a salmon farm these days and advocates aquaculture and nuclear power. Greenpeace hates him because he's a solutions kind of guy and if the problems they are wailing about get solved they'll have fewer problems to wail about. And that leads to a reduction in relevance and, ultimately gibs. Can't have that.

Easton Wright
Easton Wright

There are plenty of people here that don't believe it, but it is like arguing with flat earthers at this point.

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

give it up. climate change deniers are like flat earth believers : they are a lost cause and no amount of scientific evidence, peer reviewed research and statistics will convince them because their beliefs aren't based on evidence, but on instinct. They "just know" they are right.
Use your energy on something usefull instead of trying to convince a brickwall

Isaiah Campbell
Isaiah Campbell

they think science is the be all end all of authority. they defied science a lot and when they finally thought "scientists" were on "their side", they blindly accepted them.

Ryder Cruz
Ryder Cruz

It's a god damn scam from a fucking pedophillic death cult. Do you have any idea how many different pollutants humans put out, and they want to pin it on fucking CO2?!? On an increase that is several fold smaller than the margin of error!?! Literally the most benign gas human activity can produce? Literally the gas that HUMAN BODIES produce?

Literally the fucking gas that gives LIFE to this fucking planet? Actual, bioavailable matter; delicious carbon. Carbon that for thousands of years was locked away beneath the soil, physically dead, inert, trapped. Potential life doomed to an eternity in the depths of the earth to be freed by US. To rejoin the carbon cycle of life and replenish the Earth! It is no mistake that indoor farmers create a CO2 rich environment for abundance; it is no catastrophe that more plants create more oxygen. It is no wonder average IQ keeps rising; it is no coincidence that average height has increased with our use of fossil fuels.

(((They))) are literal fucking demons and They hate you so fucking much they can barely decide whether to torture or kill you. You need to finally fucking realize that every god damn thing you ever learned is a lie. All of your axioms are worthless, save one: I think, therefore I am.

You can figure it all out from there.

Hunter Bailey
Hunter Bailey

A lot of the current solution isn't sexy, it's things like insulation on houses.

The absolute game changer will be generating chemical fuel from the sun. Doesn't matter which one, this would solve most problems with renewables.

They should. That's why I'm pointing out why it's good for conservatives too. Energy independence is a conservative goal, as are reduced costs like through use of waste heat or solar thermal.

As for the political landscape I'm not sure how it'll move forward. Currently we are producing a ton of natural gas.

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

Fuck enviromentalists!

My country is not affected strongly by global warming. No sea level rise (through we get coastline in worst case scenario, who cares the sea would be anoxic and poisonous in this scenario), no unmanageable weather shifts. Why should we care? In fact why should we not pump the atmosphere with as much greenhouse gases as possible, as it hurts our competition way more than it hurts us?

Dominic White
Dominic White

you dont know how the study works so you dont understand how it works

The absolute state of public "education". You do do realize the sociologists who did the study got in extremely hot water with the faculty for terrible absolutely wrong methadology. The fact that the 3% of papers they listed as disagreeing with agw has nothing to do with the fact that they categorically mislabled the intent of hundreds of papers to mean that those writing the papers agreed with the staus quo on agw.

Fuck learn how to critically think or dont say anything. Or better yet drink bleach. That will reduce your carbon footprint.

Jack Cruz
Jack Cruz

You genuinely believe that the whole world is in on some grand conspiracy and you want me to convince you otherwise? You're a fucking idiot lol

Na m8 it's more like the measurements rest 10% below the mean, which is an impressively small deviation for such a complex study

Of course one species can cause global change, it's simple physics. Look at that spike in atmospheric co2

Colton White
Colton White

Global warming is real. There is geological evidence of this occurring throughout the earth's history. Remember the ice age? Of course not that shit melted. Why? The earth became warmer. Same shit repeats itself nothing new here .

Christopher Clark
Christopher Clark

you are really dumb

Julian Adams
Julian Adams

They latched on to whatever establishment nerds agreed with their narrative, and now they're pushing it with all they have.

Climate theory is just another poorly veiled globalist push. I laugh when I see them try to attach any religous connotations to anyone trying to defy them. It's sad because of how easily the progressives fall to their own hypocrisy. Get any mudshit religion to defy global warming and watch them go full panic mode caught between the narrative dichotomy that supports anything non-white and trying to push globalist measures.

Caleb Jones
Caleb Jones

Don't forget how environmental groups also push for more immigration. They are an absolute joke these days.

Matthew Hill
Matthew Hill

Sure, the data are still there supporting agw though. Just because it's misused doesn't mean it's false.

Grayson Hernandez
Grayson Hernandez

The left would use everything that helps them put more power in the hands of the state because they are a bunch of insecure faggots who need to be bossed around and to make themselves feel better they try to enforce that on everybody else.

Angel Scott
Angel Scott

Counter one thing in that post, you little bitch.

Angel Thompson
Angel Thompson

interesting how the observations beyond the dotted line are at the very lowest ends of the predictions

Luke Taylor
Luke Taylor

Yeah, I do want you to believe just that and you're a naive kid for not seeing it yet.

Watch this. It's from 2007, before most of this global warming scam took root.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UagqOHScNs

Leo Carter
Leo Carter

Al gore (Democrat former vice president) predicted in 2008 that all coastal cities should be underwater in 2014 because all polar ice should had melt in 2014.

And (((SURPRISE!))). Nothing happened.

Michael Wood
Michael Wood

The evidence is overwhelming. Literally every single country in the world except for the united states is signed on to the paris accord.

The evidence is overhelming. Literally every country in the world, except for protestant renegades is signed on to the Catholic church and sells indulgences.

Hundreds of thousands of government officials taking scientific advice from tens of thousands of scientists who've cited over a century and a half's worth of papers and documents.

Hundreds of thousands of government officials taking spirtual and political guidance from tens of thousands of priests who have cited over 1500 centuries worth of scripture.

"Everyone does it." is a poor way to argue. Try harder, shill.

Jason Cruz
Jason Cruz

Of course one species can cause global change, it's simple physics. Look at that spike in atmospheric co2
I meant cows producing methane, obviously. For a single species to have that level of influence over a geologic scale parameter, it would have to be a very simple, massively replicated algae that covered every body of water, not a few million land cows.

Camden Bell
Camden Bell

al gore is a brainlet just like all these stupid pseudo-science niggers in here trying to back a flawed theory.

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

I) Al Gore isn't a climate scientist. His word is pretty much meaningless.

II) He didn't even say that.

Zachary Myers
Zachary Myers

Haha, and carbon credits are like the Indulgences in the Catholic Church.

Wyatt Brown
Wyatt Brown

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Revelation 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Christopher Morales
Christopher Morales

I guess it depends on your definition of "recent past". I'm talking in the geological sense, so at least within the past few million years.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/earth-has-been-much-colder2c-and-much-hotter-than-today/5042886

Christopher Gutierrez
Christopher Gutierrez

Thanks

Daniel Jackson
Daniel Jackson

Carbon that for thousands of years was locked away beneath the soil, physically dead, inert, trapped. Potential life doomed to an eternity in the depths of the earth to be freed by US. To rejoin the carbon cycle of life and replenish the Earth!
lmao it's true.

Henry Bell
Henry Bell

The economic incentive is in avoiding the negative consequences of gw.
And my point of my post is that 140 plus countries are joined in an agreement where they acknowledge the reality of agw, not whether or not the states should be in it

Lmao you're onto something there m8

Just read this thread.
There's peopls saying it's a kike conspiracy/globalist conspiracy, people trying to equate it to religious dogma of atheists who are areligious, or that all left wing voters are in on some conspiracy to hurt the economy because they like winning elections. Its fucking nuts

Ryder Williams
Ryder Williams

maybe but she's by far the one with the best ass

Chase Russell
Chase Russell

Seriously, why would you believe scientists from all area of the world over the Tangerine Overlord? Liberals just make no sense.

and evolution? Don't get me started

if we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

check and mate

*tips fedora and proceeds to moon walk out of the room

Hunter Rivera
Hunter Rivera

The economic incentive is in avoiding the negative consequences of gw.
Maybe, but we risk our influence over the world in doing so. We should really fund renewables and turn that into an economic sector in its own right rather than pilfer from companies reliant on fossil fuels, encouraging them to take their business elsewhere.

Absolutely

Ethan Sanchez
Ethan Sanchez

dont you have some fucking books to read you fucking nerd?

we are just trolling, me and my highschool friends do it all the time, we get good tips from Sup Forums, we make them so mad are smart friends so mad haha

4chaners unite!

Evan Ramirez
Evan Ramirez

There are plenty of people here that don't believe it, but it is like arguing with flat earthers at this point.

"Don't bother talking to the heretics? It's decided anyway, we're right and they're wrong."

That right there is why the left's strangehold on public opinion is crumbling. There are plenty of heretics out there, and they are wising up to the fact that they are excluded from discussion by virtue of not being part of the virtuous in-group. So they seek each other out and organize in opposition to the people who themselves treat any opposition as "literal nazis". And that is one big fucking opposition to pick a fight with.

Landon Cooper
Landon Cooper

It lets them imagine they are in some sort of global struggle that requires the unity and globalism of all races.

I think it lets them pretend their are actually worth something to the world if they are helping fight an invisible boogieman.

Angel Perez
Angel Perez

a few million land cows
https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/07/global-livestock-counts

next time try relying on factual evidence and not just "i guess"

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

Question for Europeans with green parties, how do they reconcile their pro immigration stances with environmentalism? Pooping in the streets isn't environmentally friendly, etc

John Perez
John Perez

I know, man. I know. It's something i truly care about though, ive got a daughter now and i know shit needs to change, especially for her.

Totally. Energy efficient buildings, recycling plastics and other materials.
Energy independence is totally a mutual goal for anyone on the political spectrum.
That's the unfortunate aspect is that it all got politicized when really its more of a mutual goal than many realize

Isaac King
Isaac King

It's worse than just a bunch of brainlet liberals larping as planet savers.

Watch the video I linked earlier.

here it is again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UagqOHScNs

WATCH AND UNDERSTAND GLOBALISM

Parker Ortiz
Parker Ortiz

the whole world is in on some grand conspiracy

The UN is nothing but a few people running the world, imagine what they talk about privately

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

Ok, a few hundred million cows. Do you still think cows themselves are the problem here?

Josiah Watson
Josiah Watson

hurr my slut shat out a kid now i have to be responsible for the entire planet

really dude

no one gives a fuck about your kids, and all this virtue signaling is pointless

Aaron Myers
Aaron Myers

Hurricanes and Global warming have been linked since forever. There are more Hurricanes now than there were 50 years ago, simple fact.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/48/19513.full

Noah Hill
Noah Hill

You're god damn right it is.

Bentley Ross
Bentley Ross

C02 isn't even the most important greenhouse gas you retard. It can only realistically force +2 degree warming which will be bad but not unlivable. The claim that water vapor soley acts as a greenhouse gas is not falsifiable and not testable.

If you actually knew how to fucking read the graphs you post you'd realize that 90% of the models you post exceed the 10% margin error and those are the models that claim there will be a significant feedback cycle caused by water vapor which is not bearing out in th real data. Idk why you would average them all out thats retard jew bullshit.

Jonathan Ward
Jonathan Ward

Because it would mean western civilization is guilty of destroying the earth.

Parker Wright
Parker Wright

"Don't bother talking to the foreigners? It's decided anyway, we're right and they're wrong."

That right there is why the right's strangehold on public opinion is crumbling. There are plenty of foreigners out there, and they are wising up to the fact that they are excluded from discussion by virtue of not being part of the virtuous in-group. So they seek each other out and organize in opposition to the people who themselves treat any opposition as "liberal cucks". And that is one big fucking opposition to pick a fight with.

Ryder Richardson
Ryder Richardson

As long as "pro science" is synonymous with far left, it's hard to make any progress on that front.

However, this stuff is still happening fast. If people really wanna do something, they should advocate for things like insulation, go door to door and educate about insulation if they have to. Not sexy but probably more productive than whining about conservatives.

Dominic Powell
Dominic Powell

It's virtually impossible for us to destroy the earth.

No, not highly unlikely, not ehh it's possible, IT'S FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.

All this global warming scam bullshit is not real. The earth changes temperatures all on its own. Nothing we do will have any meaningful or lasting impact on this planet.

Anyone who refutes this is woefully uneducated on the subject and ignorant of how our planet works.

James Peterson
James Peterson

I think it's just city people wanting the whole world to deal with their own localized pollution problems. Who actually has air problems? City people. Who benefits the most from cleaner vehicular transportation? City people. Who wants the whole world to subsidize their fucking local problems? City faggots.

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

has nothing to do with the fact that they categorically mislabled the intent of hundreds of papers to mean that those writing the papers agreed with the staus quo on agw.

See, right here you demonstrate that you actually don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and I'll say it again.
It wasn't a fucking opinion poll, and they didn't extract any scientist's particular position from any paper, they just extracted the data, which affirmed agw

Connor Diaz
Connor Diaz

Temperature swings in the past million years, correct. And it has been colder / hotter than it is now, correct. But the difference is that the temperature has changed over a couple decades, which is extremely fast compared to natural swings. Extremely fast.

Lincoln Evans
Lincoln Evans

mind = blown

le ebin Reddit science is the new church and global warming is the new vague threat of eternal damnation to keep the goys in line

Nathan Foster
Nathan Foster

Remember when commies were saving the working class and ended up killed over 100 million of them.
Now just imagine them trying to save the damn planet.What could go wrong ?

Nicholas Bell
Nicholas Bell

aTdiEday

what was meant by this?

Elijah Howard
Elijah Howard

Virtually impossible to destroy the earth? You have a very limited understanding of how our ecosphere works and how fragile it is.

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

A lot of the current solution isn't sexy, it's things like insulation on houses.

Yeah, that thing that conveniently makes houses even harder to afford for the generation that has been robbed blind by their boomer parents. Here in Germany there is an executive order (not even a proper law, mind you) that mandates insulation and energy efficiency related renovation upon ownership transfer which has been in effect for a couple of years now.

The absolute game changer will be generating chemical fuel from the sun. Doesn't matter which one, this would solve most problems with renewables.

Possible already. Only needs process heat. But there's the catch. That needs to be available continuously, though. Ain't gonna work with renewables.

They should. That's why I'm pointing out why it's good for conservatives too. Energy independence is a conservative goal, as are reduced costs like through use of waste heat or solar thermal.

That bone you're throwing there ain't got no meat on it. Windmills and Sonar panels have nothing to do with energy independence. They make everyone dependent on an increasingly unstable power grid, domestic natural gas plants and foreign coal and nuclear plants to take up the slack when there's neither sun or wind (or too much of it). And the collectivists have wet dreams of electric cars hooked up to the grid for use as buffer batteries. So you may well wake up to an empty car battery on a regular basis. Just take the bus then like a good commie citizen, eh? How the fuck can you have the gall to spin that as "energy independence"?

Dylan Foster
Dylan Foster

There is actually something big missing from this contrived debate about consensus:

There are actually at least three groups, not two.

There is the "scientific mainstream" and there are two groups of critics:
One of them are what you might call the 'right-wing deniers", which consists mainly of Donald Trump, James Inhofe, Sean Hannity and a handful of contrarians from the science community - and they're part of the general debate.

But the second group of critics isn't part of the debate even though it's infinitely more significant: There are major groups of scientists who think the mainstream assessment is much too optimistic. And this group includes some of the leading climate scientists in their respective countries (James Hansen is probably the most famous one).

Andrew Cook
Andrew Cook

It's happening right now. The rise of antifa goons is a clear sign of it.

The left attack anyone that resists their mindfucking. Literally attack, not just metaphorically or anonymous insults on a mongolian noodle making board.

It's a mobilization of the ignorant masses. Give them a (fraudulent) cause to fight and they will. Make them believe the world is at stake and they fight ever harder.

Pay or threaten a few submissive lefty nerds to push the agenda and now the zombies are rabid, backed by their false god.

Joseph Taylor
Joseph Taylor

Doubtful, they didn't have the detection tools we have now like GOES. That study doesn't even seem to make that claim.

Christian Nelson
Christian Nelson

Yes and the criterion for what affirmed agreeing with the status quo was mentioning agw, thus mislabling the intent of 100s of papers. Why the fuck would you think that I was claiming i was an opinion poll? Projection? Did you even read the abstract you soft boiled cunt?

Cameron Edwards
Cameron Edwards

I'm not even an agw dennialist. It is just merely a positivist claim and has significant issues with politicization. Where ever your comming from they arent sending their best

Colton Taylor
Colton Taylor

Why is the global warming theory so cherished by the left?

Because it demands the redistribution of wealth to the (((global south))) and with many of the countries to be under water they'll demand more immigration to save the cherished Bangladeshis.

Redistribution of wealth and open borders are progressive catnip.

Samuel Roberts
Samuel Roberts

GLOBAL warming only effects cities

absolute autism

ironically people living in cities are better equipped to deal with a fucked climate because they're all bugmen and don't make their livelihood off of the environment

Carson Cruz
Carson Cruz

I see what you mean.
They're a sizable portion of the total ghg emissions, they aren't the sole driver.

Never said it was, and i certainly never said it was the only ghg, you dumb fuck. Ever heard of the runaway effect? Tons and tons of methane trapped in ice in the northern hemisphere is being released because of the increasing temperatures from the ocean absorbing so much co2, and methane is 10 times worse than co2, so we are pretty fucked

This is the false equivalence to end all false equivalences

Zachary Bailey
Zachary Bailey

You have virtually no understanding of how meaningless and temporary human influence is.

Our planet cannot be undone by an annoying mold, creeping across the outer crust. (that's us)

Do you understand how long this planet has been around and how many different violent and destructive organisms have crawled upon its surface?

Grow up and get educated, fool.

Blake Miller
Blake Miller

dude centrist lmao
Kys

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

And that is one big fucking opposition to pick a fight with.

That's like 200 basements worth of people. You are outnumbered all will continue to be outnumbered. Keep holding on to your ignorant worldview, because it's the only thing you can control.

Jack Taylor
Jack Taylor

ad hominem
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Gavin Collins
Gavin Collins

Idiot, the earth will survive, but most or all of humanity is easily killed off by our own actions of overpopulation and over-exploitation of the natural resources

Kayden James
Kayden James

No, the study predicts hurricanes with a global warming model. They found that ocean temperature is a huge correlating factor to hurricanes (obviously).
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
Here's another study linking the two. Mind showing me anything that says there's no connection between global warming and hurricanes? Cause I can't find it.

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

The only for energy independance is 4th gen nuclear power.

Noah Rodriguez
Noah Rodriguez

Being this blue pilled . On pol

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

I like these posts

Colton Martin
Colton Martin

destroying earth =/= making it unlivable for humans
and vice-versa.
the issue with global warming isn't that earth might spontanously burst in flammes, but rather that the change are happening too fast for species to adapt, which might cause a mass extinction.

No scientist ever claimed climate change never occured before. What they are saying is it's occuring at a much faster rate than ever before, for reasons directly tied to our attitude on earth

Josiah Phillips
Josiah Phillips

source of women in the center?

Gavin Jackson
Gavin Jackson

Insulation saves money in the long run, but I'm sure Germany takes it to a stupid level. They have a retarded number of solar panels for the latitude. In California where I live we don't have ANY insulation, which is retarded.

I know Fuel from heat is possible, but what are you talking about? There are a ton of different technologies but I don't think any are profitable. Also the point is you don't need to run it continuously. No reason you can't shut off electrolysis for instance.

Hunter Price
Hunter Price

Stay in denial stupid burger.

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

Ch4 is irrelevent. Only a few extra degrees on top of the 2 from C02. It doent bare out that there will be a feedback from ch4 without the h2o feedback which is patently not happeningir bearing out in the data. statisical modeling will only take you so far and gives you tunnel vision. You do know what a black swan event is right?

Wyatt Fisher
Wyatt Fisher

Let's make it two.
implying his post had any merit
It was empty waffling, and it distorted the actual issue

Camden Wood
Camden Wood

I really hope the money you get from the fossil fuel industry is worth it and I hope you aren't religious because you are going to heck.

The evidence is overwhelming and you are smart enough to read through so clearly you have some motive from trolling the minds of the educated into thinking gw is a conspiracy. People like you need to be raped for a thousand years.

Evan Sanchez
Evan Sanchez

Ch4 is not irrelevant once the Tundra starts melting. It is showing in the data.

Luis Butler
Luis Butler

hard data has significant issues with politicization
Only if you're a cunt

William Roberts
William Roberts

Is relevant*

Isaiah Parker
Isaiah Parker

Recycling is a meme. You wanna live sustainably that’s probably the 250th most useful thing you could to to be more sustainable.

#1 thing would be living in a small house under 500 sqft/occupant with good insulation. Most of the energy you will use will be climate controlling your living space.

#2 would be to never travel anywhere by airplane

#3 would be to cut red meat from your diet

#4 would be to reduce the amount of waste you produce by not buying tons of shitty Chinese made consumer goods

Basically live like you’re in poverty.

Asher Thompson
Asher Thompson

Do you understand how long this planet has been around and how many different violent and destructive organisms have crawled upon its surface?

Jeez kid, you think there has been more destructive organisms than humans?

This is why you don't homeschool your children

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

You're missing the point I'm making. People said "look at hurricane Harvey! See, global warming!" And scientists were like calm the fuck down. These retards were arguing science with an anecdote.

You claimed the frequency has increased in 50 years and you cited a MODEL.

Caleb Garcia
Caleb Garcia

That perfect self-confidence might be impressive to internet mouth-breathers but it has absolutely no connection to the real world.

Anyone who isn't living under a rock and bothers to take even a cursory look at the scientific literature knows that we're heading towards a cliff.

In fact, when Jerry Brown (who is now governor of California) asked the scientific community to come up with a single "consensus statement" for this phenomenon, the statement the relevant scientists (Earth scientists, conservation biologists, ecologists, climate scientists, etc.) came up with was

Human beings and the natural world are on a collision course

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

Notice how every "solution" involves massive new taxes and regulation?
And more gibs for the third world to carry on burning coal or cow shit or whatever other sins against the environment us civilised folk are being crucified for...

Cunts latched on to it as an easy cash and power grab - massive grants/handouts/subsidies for anything that conforms to the green-left agenda and regulations to stifle anything else.

I can't take the cunts seriously when all they do is screech for gibs and for rules that reduce our living standards instead of looking to overcome with the science they claim to worship (reducing energy use by reverting to third world peasant life? fuck off, how about we build nuclear reactors and use the massive energy surplus for good?)

Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore

Foreigners don’t get a say on my country’s politics. Should I get a vote on who gets to be the next Chancellor or Germany? Should I get to decide the next mayor of Tokyo?

Asher Allen
Asher Allen

I do this for free user. The truth does not fear investigation. agw is not a conspiracy. C02 will cause aprroximately +2 average rise in global temperature. The issue i have with it is that it is politicized by the far left and the cuckservatives and they both provide shitty non-solutions. Agw also detracts from issues like ocean calcification, lead and mercury in the water, annual deaths caused by both JEWNEWABLES and and fossil fuels due to pollution.

Jeremiah James
Jeremiah James

You're right, my bad. Here's a graph with facts.

Dominic Martinez
Dominic Martinez

Mass extinction is a natural part of earths cycle too

Ryan Martin
Ryan Martin

Tell that to the fossil fuel companies that have a vested interest in it being politicized and slowing down a shift from fossil fuels to renewables
Let's just throw them and the rare earth merchants (and all the others behind "renewable" shit) into the arena for a battle royale

David Wilson
David Wilson

Yep, I know all too well about this.
The average media projections of the current agw status is semi hopeful, but the realist scientists know we're pretty much fucked

Thomas Fisher
Thomas Fisher

The solutions to the issue and deliberately misleading people on the issue for political agendas (both left and right) is politicization of the issue.

Whats funny is I bet you'd squirm in your chair if I brought up the biological reality of race you filthy lysenkoist.but yeah muh hard data can never be politicized ;)

John Reyes
John Reyes

slut shat out a kid
Wanting to improve the world and the environment and preserve society is 'virtue signalling'

Kayden Sanders
Kayden Sanders

average number of named storms

They don't name storms they couldn't see. They didn't even have satellites or even Doppler radar for the majority of that. Most hurricanes hit unpopulated areas or don't even make landfall. Please don't tell me this is serious.

You're just concerned cause you might have to build your dykes .1 cm higher.

Jason Ramirez
Jason Ramirez

when it starts melting
You missed the point cunt. Its no happening without the water vapor feedback cycle. The happening has been called of for this century. No clarate methane gun yet.

Nathan Cruz
Nathan Cruz

Dutch people are not, and have never been worth listening to.

Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

How do you think earth got its 20% oxygen? Single celled niggers killed of almost all life on earth when they finally developed photosythresis.

Wyatt Richardson
Wyatt Richardson

That's an amazing analogy.

Global Warming is Hell 2.0 for the modern Atheist Marxist. Scientists (controlled by Government) are the new Priest class.

Very astute user.

Jace Brooks
Jace Brooks

They definitely have a vested interest, being underwater and with lots of potential wind energy in the North Sea.

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

The solutions to the issue and deliberately misleading people on the issue for political agendas (both left and right) is politicization of the issue.
Except that has absolutely nothing to do with scientists communicating their results, you collossal fuckwad
Whats funny is I bet you'd squirm in your chair if I brought up the biological reality of race you filthy lysenkoist.
Jesus christ, you cringey autist.
And no, I doubt I would, because pseudoscience isn't based in reality

Samuel Lewis
Samuel Lewis

With the "cliff" theory it's like eternal damnation. Carbon credits are indulgences.

Dylan Johnson
Dylan Johnson

jokes on them, more atmospheric co2 = more plants and shit that consume it

you don't hate plants, do you envriocucks?

Owen Ramirez
Owen Ramirez

To be fair, the response of tropical cyclones to global warming is one of the less clear climate signals and the subject of much debate in the literature.

It's clear from the thermodynamics that increases in greenhouse gas concentration will allow for more powerful cyclones (because global warming increases the thermodynamic disequilibrium between ocean and atmosphere, which is the limiting factor on cyclone maximum lifetime windspeed). However, that's of course not the only parameter that changes.

Another thing that changes is what clmatologists call the "saturation deficit of the free troposphere", which increases in a warmer world and actually inhibits cyclone formation.

As a result, climatologists for the most part *expect* that the number of high-end powerful cyclones goes up while the total number of cyclones decreases slightly (this is called an "out-of-phase relationship between intensity and frequency").

There is some evidence that this is taking place but the records are generally too short and of mediocre quality too make any statement with absolute confidence.

Juan Thompson
Juan Thompson

It all falls into place.

Liam Robinson
Liam Robinson

The only for energy independance is 4th gen nuclear power.

Yes. Unfortunately it's hampered by decades of fear mongering.

Isaiah Parker
Isaiah Parker

Except in order for plants to grow proportionally with the increased co2, they also need similar increased amounts of water and nitrogen, which they won't get

Saved

Liam Gutierrez
Liam Gutierrez

pseudoscience isnt reality
I bet you would have agreed to the party line in soviet russia that sticking seed crop in snow can turn barley into grain. over 3000 scientest were gulag'd or shot because they disagreee with this.

As for the hard data, you dont even understand the graphs your posting and how they disagree with you. But sure im the cringey one. Also 100s of differentiated subpopulatins of humans is scientifc fact. We can differ relatively speaking up to 16% which makes sense considering the number of psyological and morphological differentiations between populations. Stay buttblasted antiscience reactionary

Lucas Williams
Lucas Williams

Those people should be summarily executed for conspiring to end the human race.

Luis Watson
Luis Watson

And I bet you think the holocaust is a hoax

you don't even understand the graphs your posting
*you're

Heh, I'll give him the ol' gish gallop, that'll show him >:)
Whatever kid

John Russell
John Russell

No reason you can't shut off electrolysis for instance.

You can, but all you get from that is hydrogen. That's hard to store (diffuses through everything over time, needs either cryogenic or pressurized storage) and dangerous (if it leaks somewhere there's air you get a pretty explosive mixture that a single spark can set off). To turn it into a storable, reasonably safe synthetic fuel you need to use that hydrogen to make a hydrocarbon fuel. And that part requires heat and a continuous process for any sort of conversion efficiency.

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

Why is the global warming theory so cherished by the left?

Moral high ground / virtue signal for the soyboys

More tax / control for lefty politicians

Lucas Nelson
Lucas Nelson

Ad hominem.
Fair enough

Landon Watson
Landon Watson

Interesting at least. Though it's not the wind that hurts, it's the flooding, and cities are making that worse by paving over everything and living way too close to flood prone streams.

Levi Davis
Levi Davis

Nah, if there's no shortage of water/nitrogen, they will grow faster. Problem is, we cut trees down faster than they absorb the extra co2 we pump in.

Evan Garcia
Evan Garcia

Once you start saying how 'alarmed' you are you're no longer a scientist. You're an activist.

Luis Stewart
Luis Stewart

Trees are essentially a non factor, as sea algae produces the vast majority of our oxygen, but humans actually plant more than they cut down. Know why? Capital investment.

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

Real scientists are not worried about plant food.

Kevin Barnes
Kevin Barnes

Not a hoax, but it is not a black and white issue. There are hoaxes involved though, did lampshades, masturbation machines and death rollercoasters really happen? And for that matter where are the bodies for the claimed amount killed? To burn a sizable amount they would have had to user inferior burning methods which would have left remaines like teeth. The numbers simply dont add up. What does add up though is that a number of them were bolshevik collaberators in the spartacus revolt which i have no problem with them being taken out back and shot.

You also still dont understand the graph you posted lel absolutely cringey

Levi Turner
Levi Turner

And increased storms and flooding means interrupting growth, and then there's increased drought in other regions

Mason Walker
Mason Walker

They hate all life, as per my schizophrenia here:

David Clark
David Clark

I see.

How much heat are we talking about for methanization? Sabatier process? Also no reason you can't store heat or use waste heat from say a nuclear plant.

Luis Watson
Luis Watson

He was talking about plants growing faster with increased co2, nothing about oxygen.
America has more trees than they cut down sure. Brazil sure as hell doesn't. Most tropical countries don't.

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

Where do fossil fuels come from? Ancient forests. This means that every single carbon molecule we put in the atmosphere was one already in the atmosphere. This means we are not introducing new carbon into the system. Global warming is a scam.

Owen Price
Owen Price

That's right. In terms of human lifes, the storm surge is by far the most dangerous aspect of a cyclone. When it comes to property damage, it might be a different story.

What also should be pointed out about this is that the force and damage doesn't scale linearly to wind speed.

The force a hurricane exerts on a given area is actually the cube of the wind speed (a storm with twice the wind speed exerts 4-times as much force).
The effect of economic damage is actually even bigger. There are economic studies which calculate that property damage scales to the 9th power(!) of wind speed (a storm with twice the wind speed does >500 times as much damage).

So even a seemingly small increase in cyclone intensity has the potential for enormously bigger consequences.

Evan Young
Evan Young

What do you think the algae does with that CO2 pastenigger?
Brazil
people

Henry Rogers
Henry Rogers

if there are two wrong options, nobody should be allowed to opt out of choosing
You're the kind of person who is easily tricked, aren't you?

Parker Diaz
Parker Diaz

Covered that

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

You should be worried about your reading comprehension skills

The numbers simply don't add up
The numbers add up if you don't take them from u.s.s.r data, which the vast majority of historians acknowledge is bogus information
hurr u dont understand
No, i understand it just fine, thank you.
Global average temperature predictions fall within a reasonable average of climate models, and you claim to accept age yet you've been a snarky contrarian every step of the way, and on every subject.
You're a plug

Jaxon Gutierrez
Jaxon Gutierrez

The decision gets made whether you pat yourself on the back for abstaining or not.

Brayden Bell
Brayden Bell

Oh wait, it actually doesn't need a heat supply for methanization. It's exothermic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction

Andrew Allen
Andrew Allen

uma delicia though

Christian James
Christian James

How does the one follow from the other.
In fact, the times at which this carbon that is now stored in coal and oil was in the atmosphere (Early Paleozoic & Mesozoic), the planet was in an ice-free "supergreenhouse" with sea level >70 meters higher than today and surface temperatures 10 °C warmer than today.

How that is supposed to prove that global warming is a scam is anyone's guess. If you think we can just catapult the planet into this state and reverse >41 million years of climatic evolution in the matter of one or two centuries, then the human species is probably down the drain.

Levi Sullivan
Levi Sullivan

How much heat are we talking about for methanization? Sabatier process?

Yes, Sabatier process (the Fischer-Tropsch or Mobil process require CO as input, kind of defeats the purpose of _not_ digging up more coal/gas/oil), whereas the Sabatier process works with CO2. I don't remember how much heat is required (I only read about the whole thing in a bunch of Robert Zubrin books years ago). I think it was about 400 degC.

Also no reason you can't store heat

To an extent. But a continuous chemical process is quite greedy in that regard. I wouldn't want to run that on either stored heat or electrical heating.

or use waste heat from say a nuclear plant.

Yes, that would be the sensible approach and is what Zubrin proposed, too. Unfortunately that's not really popular these days.

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

its the greatest virtue signal scheme of them all.

Levi Perez
Levi Perez

I wasn't talking about fucking algea. Algea were never a part of that conversation. Stop with your stupid non-sequitors faggot.

Dominic Martin
Dominic Martin

Which ismt point. Ussr numbers where the "death camps" where bogus. It is not germans fault that they couldnt keep subversives fed and safe from typhus when they had being doing an exwllent job until their supply lines were destroyed. Only a few 100,000s died.

I might seem like a contrarian, but most of those models are dead wrong. Outside of 10 percent margin error. That alone isnt even taking into account the sort of black swans that tear statistical models to pieces.

Gabriel Howard
Gabriel Howard

Oh you know what it was like 40 million years ago do you? By the way CO2 follows temperature changes it doesn't drive them.

The idea that burning too much coal could some how 'break' the climate would have to be one of the most absurd ideas in history. No wonder the left like it so much.

Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

Sabatier is exothermic. I don't think it's the challenge here (except what you say about a co2 source - I guess it needs a pure source of co2 ironically). The challenge is efficient electrolysis, which is only efficient at high temperatures and there aren't any materials that can handle it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_electrolysis

It's probably the future but won't be relevant any time soon. In theory it's perfect, in practice it's currently pretty worthless.

Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

Oy vey goyim, buy the oil at double the price- you dont want to pollute the earth wouldya?

Anthony Wood
Anthony Wood

Oh you know what it was like 40 million years ago do you?
Yes. It's called geology

By the way CO2 follows temperature changes it doesn't drive them
That's just completely false. The temperature-CO2 lag is only observed in the austral high latitudes and it's well understood to be the response of a particular mode of the Southern ocean called the "bipolar thermal seesaw". Not only does that pose no problem for the radiative effect of CO2 on surface temperature, in fact, it backs it up.

Juan Nguyen
Juan Nguyen

100 000 died
More like 6000000, give or take 100000
subversives
typhus
Does the wansee conference mean anything to you?

And you keep going off about models, and yet, everything that climate scientists have been predicting are coming true.
Increased droughts, storms, wildfires, melting arctic/antarctic, rising sea levels, forced changed migration patterns, receding glaciers, ocean acidification, coral bleaching, species going extinct, ect ect
And it's showing no signs of slowing down

Connor Gutierrez
Connor Gutierrez

Sabatier is exothermic.

Nice. So it could actually help with this:

The challenge is efficient electrolysis, which is only efficient at high temperatures and there aren't any materials that can handle it.

From what I've heard there are a bunch of thermochemical methods to synthesize hydrogen, so it needn't be electrolysis. Depending on how much heat they need and on how exothermic the Sabatier process is that might just be a good match. You'd still need to input heat (from, say, a nuclear reactor), but maybe not quite as much.

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

6 million. Haha you were just trashing ussr numbers lel

the wansee conference
actually happening

Why do you attribute multifaceted issues to rise in global temperature? High extinction rates are directly caused by human activity through logging or shooting.

Ryan Perez
Ryan Perez

it's a pretty good process
http://www.brighthub.com/environment/renewable-energy/articles/78303.aspx

Electrolysis is just nice because it can take energy from the grid - I assume it's more efficient than heating electrically. Although it does seem best if it uses heat directly since that can come directly from the sun or nuclear as well. Here's another link

https://energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-thermochemical-water-splitting

Just not relevant until a huge percent of electricity is coming from renewables. Even if it's 80% efficient there's still another 40% loss running it through a gas turbine.

Xavier Thomas
Xavier Thomas

theory
it's not politicized. scientist are people, and people commonly have an ideology. Scientist just happen to believe the less retarded of the two. Conservatives see that and think, "HURR DURR CONSPIRACY BY THE JOOZ!!"

Jack Gutierrez
Jack Gutierrez

You also throw out any research that runs counter.

Ryan Hall
Ryan Hall

Political. As in policy. Because if it’s man made, only policy can stop it. Not a difficult concept.

Henry Thompson
Henry Thompson

cuckservativez
not sucking off the joos

Cameron Carter
Cameron Carter

Victimhood gives them power.

Carter Harris
Carter Harris

Trump doesn't think it exists so the left love it.

Landon Green
Landon Green

Girl in the middle is hot as fuck in my opinion, yet I dont expect most people to agree

Dominic White
Dominic White

same thing. the question is how much influence does human have.

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

recor breaking since 1850 since thats the time western science started recording. climate is not so short timed

Lucas Hughes
Lucas Hughes

Because if its true and we dont act we are fucked.

Michael Garcia
Michael Garcia

Free permanent guilt, the left loved feeling guilty and getting to repent for their imagined sins above all else, its part of their perversion

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

how do you know?

Angel Murphy
Angel Murphy

it is not that it is cherished by the left in particular - it is accepted by all those who have an inkling of science.

it is more that it is rejected by the right - specifically the very very wealthy right wing propagandists for all those industries that currently make fortunes out of polluting the planet. (and their dupes and useful fools)

obviously.

Matthew Ortiz
Matthew Ortiz

because it gives them the power to interfere in every aspect of peoples lives, thought that would be obvious

Jose Young
Jose Young

tens of thousands of scientists specializing in the field of climate science hold a unanimous position through scientific consensus

another lie

Lucas White
Lucas White

Because it allows them to practice their appeal to authoritarian leftism by brandishing the moral righteousness that is peer reviewed science and scientific consensus.

In reality they are just practicing mob rule.

Jack Rivera
Jack Rivera

Unless there's ample evidence to support it. Which there is.

can this mem flag do anything else besides lying ?

Jaxon Bell
Jaxon Bell

It's the glue that holds them together without it they woudln't have a common cause.
This cause will out live them so It's their God in the sense that it is their eternal purpose.

Mason Hernandez
Mason Hernandez

'Cuz the left feels the urge to be their own hero and they need the perfect fable for it.

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