WW1 - German Surrender

Juan Ross
Juan Ross

Why did Germany surrender in WW1 when not a single enemy army entered her lands and the were still winning the war in other lands?

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Jace Miller
Jace Miller

cuck genes

Joshua Ward
Joshua Ward

Pressure from the public who wanted the war to be over and many of the kaisers advisors suggested that they were gonna lose either way.

Gavin Lee
Gavin Lee

communist uprisings all over Germany, Munich uprising actually successful
jews subverting the war effort for money
America entering the war, who was by this point the prime economic power of the world

A string of bad luck happening right next to one another.

Xavier Bell
Xavier Bell

This. A lot of armed rebellion instigated by some... suspicious types... and then a lot of other shit happened.

Jose Clark
Jose Clark

communist and jews, followed by a jew led communist revolution in 1921.

Nolan Turner
Nolan Turner

not a single enemy army entered her lands

Jonathan Lee
Jonathan Lee

I think the leaders surrendered not the people.

Jeremiah Howard
Jeremiah Howard

Off topic that's the other war, this is the prequel.

Isaiah Martinez
Isaiah Martinez

British education
That's WW2

Juan Long
Juan Long

Same reason US left Vietnam and is widely considered to have "lost" despite crushing the Tet Offensive, etc.

John Ward
John Ward

They were entering the swing of winter and were almost totally depleted of supplies. There was a massive famine anyway, because of the blockade to ensure they had to accept Versailles - that famine would have been worse had they continued to fight.

Their supply lines were stretched too thin and America was still fresh and they were losing ground fast. The surrender was rushing to the inevitable to prevent further loss of life and maintain the best negotiating position possible.

Carson Butler
Carson Butler

Fuck, you got me!
That teaches me to wake up and post

Josiah Brown
Josiah Brown

The US wasn't fighting the war to win. That's why we lost Vietnam. In WWI Germany lost the war of attrition and surrendered before losing much territory.

Ian White
Ian White

Kike communists took control of their factories and sabotaged their supply lines.

Gabriel Ward
Gabriel Ward

They didnt surrender.

Juan Johnson
Juan Johnson

Communist uprising in the north, sinking the fleet. SPD cucks sperging out. Spreading fake news the Kaiser had abdicated and afterwards forcing him to resign.
Wer hat uns verraten? Die Sozialdemokraten.

Hunter Wood
Hunter Wood

Wrong. Ww2 is the shitty sequel, where they took the socialist sidestory and fabricated a new enemy.

Bentley Turner
Bentley Turner

There was desertions everywhere by 1918 and morale was super low. Germans are master race but even the master race is human - they were tired of killing their European brothers, from all sorts of different countries, singlehandedly for 4 years by themselves. The arrival of the Amerimonster mongrels from across the pond didn't help either because they were getting tired of wasting their ammunition killing so many of them when the obvious answer was to use a magic spell and cleanse them all in one-go.

Easton Jones
Easton Jones

After obtaining the Balfour Declaration the Rothschild's stopped funding the German war effort and so Germany faced massed starvation.

Nathaniel Wilson
Nathaniel Wilson

Germans aren’t human.

Jaxon Gutierrez
Jaxon Gutierrez

The Royal Navy blockade, the collapse of their war effort and revolutionary activity going on within the navy and major cities.

The Allies should have continued on. It's exactly the reason why they didn't let Germany surrender before they invaded it in WW2, since it let dumb fucks like Ludendorff put the blame for the surrender on the "November Criminals" instead of his own incompetence as a general - which in turn led to the stab in the back myth.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

Because fighting to the end isn't their style

:^)

Cameron Allen
Cameron Allen

WW1 ended because of economical reason. The early decades of the 20th century brought up a complete domination of a techonology and a machines over biological fragility of a human body. High caliber howitzers, machine guns, grenades, combat gases - all of those proven to be so effective at killing humans that war came into a stalemate and none of the sides could gain advantage. At the same time the upkeep of the armies started to ruin the involving parties that have already left the gold standard and started to print money to keep up with the costs. This lead to economical crisis, especially in German Empire that made it impossible to continue the war.

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David Nguyen
David Nguyen

Why did Japan cede the Pacific after they crippled the US/Australian fleet there? If they pushed on, they would have held and Axis would likely have won second world war.

Alexander Peterson
Alexander Peterson

From what I understand:
1. They lacked resources, due to the British naval blockade.
2. Victory was made impossible with American entry into the war.
3. War induced poverty and lack of morale, turned many civilians, or more worryingly, soldiers to communism. This posed a serious threat to the government.

OR (if you like Adolf):
1. J
2. E
3. W

Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

oh, the irony.

Isaac Stewart
Isaac Stewart

The German high command was atrocious as well. Michael offensive, never forget.

Ayden Mitchell
Ayden Mitchell

To be serious, because they were alone at that point. the austro hungarian empire was defeated.

Carter Reed
Carter Reed

it's ironic for everybody, as it never happed

Jordan Taylor
Jordan Taylor

Amongst other reasons Germany was starving to
death

Germany was a metophorical castle under siege, blackaded and the populace was starving to death

Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

whats wrong with taking the initiative if you get the whole russian front as reeinforcement?

Andrew Robinson
Andrew Robinson

Or maybe it's combination of both? Jews exploiting the weaknesses? It was same thing in Russia. Only they succeeded there.
Or you going to deny it? Jews dindu nuffin?
Of course a pole would defend them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland

Samuel Hall
Samuel Hall

Ottomans and Austria-Hungary already lost, Verdun and Somme were lost and Americans joined soon after. The last offensive in 1918 failed to break through and there was a problem with supplies.
Any other explanation is just a lame excuse.

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

Wasting it to take barren wastelands defended in the same way you came up with 1 year earlier.

Brandon Reyes
Brandon Reyes

Foreigners don't seem to even know about the Royal Navy blockade. It is by far the most serious factor in the German defeat since it was due to the virtual mass-starvation in Germany that people were on the verge of going full communist, the Kaiser got overthrown because of it, the German army itself had low morale as a result etc.

Aaron Gonzalez
Aaron Gonzalez

jews

Jose Green
Jose Green

you get the whole russian front as reeinforcement?
Too bad khokhols couldn't deliver enough.

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

Because Germany could not go 1v3 especially later on when America joined. Germany had weak allies

Dominic Harris
Dominic Harris

Meh, all of the countries involved made shitty decisions, at one point or another.
The difference being, Entente could make mistakes and get away with it, due to size of their economies and populations.
Central powers didn't have that comfort.
In a way, they were doomed from the start.

Adrian Murphy
Adrian Murphy

so just sitting around and waiting for the food to run out ist better?

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

1. Americans
2. A-H and the turks were getting fucked and Germany couldnt do shit to help them
3. Jews, what else?

Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

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Cameron Murphy
Cameron Murphy

mass-starvation
There was enough food, but the distribution was atrocious. Another reason why Ludendorff and Hindenburg are extremely overrated.

Blake Ward
Blake Ward

reply to my post
expecting it to mention/mock my freudian-typo of blackaded instead of blockaded

pic related

Josiah Campbell
Josiah Campbell

You reap what you sow. They let Lenin and others come to Russia bringing Jewish communism.
According to Pipes, relying on numbers from Eduard Bernstein, the German government sent "more than 50 million deutsche marks in gold" from 1917 to 1918 to help the Bolsheviks establish and hold power. I have no idea what that converts to in today's dollars. The investment was substantial, and at least with respect to achieving the goal of ending Russian involvement in World War I, the investment paid off.

Luke Cruz
Luke Cruz

It was a lost cause from the start so who knows.

Colton Ramirez
Colton Ramirez

Yes. But also, allies made bad decisions at the start of the war, but then improved their decision making over time. Central powers had good decision making processes at the start, but then either stayed at the level or became worse. The war was not just about quantity, but also about the steepness of the learning curve. Tanks are a good example.

Ethan Davis
Ethan Davis

Reddit.

There wasn't enough food. People were barely having 1500 calories, hundreds of thousands of people died, the German army had to survive off of turnips and things got so bad that even the Austrians were hijacking German food shipments on the Danube. Over time its effects were brutal. It didn't have to kill millions to have a deleterious impact on the German war effort.

Ayden Hernandez
Ayden Hernandez

Why did Germany surrender in WW1
Do you really still need to ask?

Wyatt Wilson
Wyatt Wilson

CAN YOU KEKS STOP WITH THE STARVATION LIE?

424 000 german civilians died because of the effects of war on the economy. 200 000 of them were due to the spanish flue. 224 000 in 4 years is alright. keep in mind that germans heavily inflated the starvation meme to gain sympathy.

germans were not a food importing nation. AND they gained huge supplies by defeating the russians and taking over large chunks of territories on the east.

They decided to stop fighting because they lost their only big remaining ally, austro hungary. Now it's always better to go at the negociation table when your ennemy doesn't hold parts of your territory.

Luke Morris
Luke Morris

All I’m saying is that increased centralization of the Central power’s economy meant increased waste.

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

(((Ukrainian))) calling me out. Nice one.
Jews are responsible for many ills of todays society, rise of marxism, both classical and cultural, enslavement to the debt, etc. They did sumthin'.
But unless you can prove that Jews had a part in fall of German Empire, I'm not going to hold them responsible for it.
I don't even consider it a crime. A crime was starting WW1, not ending this madness.

Brandon Bennett
Brandon Bennett

they had no other choice then to try to make one last decisive victory or else...well we know what happened after the war

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

Huh, I never thought about it this way. I think you are right.

Christian Davis
Christian Davis

Oh, well you are right - i'm just saying that the food situation was awful anyway. Incompetence and inefficiencies just made it even worse.

germans were not a food importing nation

Wrong.

AND they gained huge supplies by defeating the russians and taking over large chunks of territories on the east.

They gained some, but most of it was to feed the million German soldiers wasted garrisoning the new territories. Not much of that food managed to make its way all the way from the Ukraine to Germany.

Starvation wasn't a lie.

try to send your entire navy for "one last decisive victory"
end up losing your Kaiser, turning into a cucked republic and eventually leading to a second war

Yeah. They had no other choice...

Luis Johnson
Luis Johnson

Neither are mountain Jews.

Owen Cooper
Owen Cooper

Maybe if we had taken the war to G*rmany they wouldn't have been so keen for a second round.

Ryder Smith
Ryder Smith

we were talking about the michael offensive idiot

Ayden Campbell
Ayden Campbell

they produced 80% of their food domestically. everybody had food shortages due to logistic fuck ups. starvation is extremely exagerated.

but I get it user, everybody wins, germans explain why they had to surrender to protect their people from dying because they are nice guys while the allies are monsters. and you agree with it because it inflates your ego, "hurr durr we won because of our boats god save the queen"

Nolan Green
Nolan Green

Hellenic has a Roman symbol
Roman has Germanic symbol

Grayson King
Grayson King

There was still some semblance of honour from the age of monarchies when wars were basically done for sport and after a few months everyone shook hands and went home. The idea of a war that would pretty much destroy Europe and do significant damage to civilian populations wasn't really what anybody had in mind.

It took the autism of nationalism, communism etc to achieve that

Isaac Watson
Isaac Watson

Reddit
he thinks EWBTE is Reddit

Newfag :3

Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

Because the army was in no shape to launch attacks. And with Murica taking the sides of the allieds there was no hope of winning.

Thus it was a smart move to cut the already huge losses.

If america hadn't joined the war this thing would have gone endlessly.
Germany, France and GB were at the end of their power. No one was able to get the other side down.

Germany fucked up royally when in 1914 they took out 2 whole divisions from the west and put them to the east (where they arrived too late / germany already had won the battle of tannenberg).
This led to the stalemate in the west.

After 1914 this war was already lost.

Nathan Gomez
Nathan Gomez

It is Reddit. I remember being here back in like 2011 when people were mocking your site for this sort of shit, especially the use of old memes that had fallen out of favour here like 5 years earlier.

Ryder Wilson
Ryder Wilson

Because they were actually on the brink of being on the losing side.

Ludendorff knew that if the allies were to win, they would occupy Germany, and he told Hindenburg to end the war.

Easton Kelly
Easton Kelly

your site

implying I wasn't here when newfags couldn't 7 in 2008

Jaxon Russell
Jaxon Russell

bagstabbed by jewgs

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

After 1914 this war was already lost.
Falkenhayn saw from early on that a total victory would have been impossible - he knew that in 1914 already - and that the best they could do would be a peace with favourable terms.
However, the most successful year for the central powers was 1915. In 1915 after the Gorlice-Tarnow offensive, Russia was de-facto militarily beaten. They had huge losses and were on the retreat. This would have been the point where a reasonable actor would have entered peace talks. However, the Tsar was bound by the treaty of London and could not do that. Still, had Germany managed to convert their military victory politically, i.e. get a separate peace in the East, then most certainly France and Britain would have entered peace talks as well - and it would have been a peace that favours Germany.
In that regard you're not entirely right: Germany could have won the war, and 1915 was the most likely year to achieve it (even though it would not have been a complete military victory).

Josiah Turner
Josiah Turner

Don't get triggered cuck

Ian Scott
Ian Scott

They left five corps (ten divisions) in Belgium for sieges and sent two corps (four divisions) to the Eastern Front.

While they came too late for Tannenberg, the two corps were needed on the Eastern Front for the Battle of the Masurian Lakes in September.

Not the corps sent for the east but the ones laying sieges in Belgium were dearly missed and tactical and strategic mistakes by the german first Army and High Command lost the Battle.

Jordan Cook
Jordan Cook

They were starving, our blockade did a quote on quote "good" job in terms of putting pressure on everyone in charge

Luis Martinez
Luis Martinez

Ukraine isn't even a real country, calling him 'Ukrainian' is retarded. He's just a simple ruthenian peasant who needs back some (Polish obviously) pan's whip so he stops chimping out.

Jason Bell
Jason Bell

Dat reddit spacing. You need to go back mongrel.

Kevin Martinez
Kevin Martinez

The regime you supported fell
The regime you were fighting against won
You didn't lose the war
Maybe you have won in the war front, but you lost in the propaganda one, and this was decisive.
Against Cultural Marxists, never relax.

Brody Garcia
Brody Garcia

They didn't realize they were the master race until WWII.

Christopher Torres
Christopher Torres

It's called sentence structure and comes from the real world you leeching leftist piece of shit.

Brayden Russell
Brayden Russell

Ludendorf wasted the cream of the german army in the blunder we call the Kaiserschlacht. After that we didn't have the capacities any more to win so we took Wilsons offer for a fair peace and instantly got bamboozled by the eternal anglo and our frog eating buddies (after demobilizing the army obviously).

Xavier Collins
Xavier Collins

Once a million of their German young men are lying dead across the fields of France and Belgium, I think they realised they wouldn't even had the ability to protect their new clay.

William Wilson
William Wilson

this

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

Internal conflicts, war exhaustion, marxists. Also god hate germans.

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

Germany winning ww1 would have been the best for europe, prove me wrong.

Levi Price
Levi Price

Another factor to take into consideration is the utter uselessness of AH and the Ottomans. Germany wasn't just doing the heavy pulling, it was doing ALL the pulling. Austria-Hungary was fucked by officer commisions being given to inbred useless nobles, interethnic strife, slavic units refusing to fight in the east etc. and only had any success where they were defending their own territory (Italian front). Ottomans were backwards as all fuck, technologically, doctrinary, socially etc. they were still in the 18th century and depended on Germans to keep them afloat.

Really, Germany had less effective allies in WW1 than it did in WW2

Juan Martinez
Juan Martinez

Since you'r English, Robert (von Ranke) Graves writes there was also terribly shortage in UK, due to German subs that sunk 1/3 of all supply ships

Jason Wilson
Jason Wilson

2 more months and Austria would've surrendered, there would've been Italian troops in Bavaria and both Czechoslovakia and Poland would've entered the war on the allied side.

War was unwinnable for Germany in 1918

Sebastian Gomez
Sebastian Gomez

But really though, trying to get fucking MEXICO to invade America to keep tham busy was a pants on head retarded idea and whoever in the German command at the time greenlit that was a fucking mongoloid moron.

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

because soldiers didn't want to fight for some retarded Kaiser anymore

Kayden Ramirez
Kayden Ramirez

Commie uprising started.

Carson Wright
Carson Wright

If you had won early, in 1914 or 1915, then yes. In 1918 it didn't matter what side won, Europe was already finished.

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

Who is Walther Rathenau in what was his position
also Germans had a pact (official policy) between politicians and industrialists (i.e. subservient workers) in wartime to maintain peace to acheive victory (cant realy remember the name of it but will dig it out)
When the toll was too great that "pact" was starting to crumble

No need to mention who were Spartacists and what happened under their "rule"

Jose Jackson
Jose Jackson

they run out of soldiers, food and supplies,
all their allies - ottoman and austrian empires were destroyed.

Gabriel Hughes
Gabriel Hughes

Burgfriedenspolitik is the name

Brandon Taylor
Brandon Taylor

This is the correct answer. British navy was starving Germany out. Hence why Hitler and others wanted Lebensraum.

Typical tactics of merchant powers.

Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

ebin but no

Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

The Allies should have continued on. It's exactly the reason why they didn't let Germany surrender before they invaded it in WW2

Fuck off you stupid American slave. The war should have been settled on amicable terms within a year, when it became obvious that vast amounts of blood were being spilled for such minimal gains (not to mention the money, your country bankrupting itself in this stupid war).

The punitive nature of Versailles made the next war inevitable, and you would have emptied your country of all its young men before you reached Berlin. What kind of cretin looks at WW1 and thinks: "Nah, we should've pushed on, should of destroyed our countries, and increased our dependence on the USA even more"

Fucking stupid cretin. And the doctrine of "total surrender" in ww2 was a barbarism quite typical of the real leaders of the allied side of this war, FDR and Stalin.

Grayson Martinez
Grayson Martinez

I love you Finnbro, you're good allies

Kevin Phillips
Kevin Phillips

British navy was starving Germany out.
It would have been much less of an issue if ludendorf and hindenburg had a basic concept of logistics and economics. But those are jewish sciences and don’t real.
K.u.k. And the caliphate did their jobs in the big picture. The austrians kept the russians at bay, who were about as useless as they were. The Muslims threatened India, the oil fields of iraq and egypt, the lifelines of the brits and french. Without them, the war would have been over even faster. The problem was that they became more reliant on german expertise over time. As previously mentioned, that expertise was in stagnation at best. Combined with their initial backwardness, it made their individual collapses even more spectacular.

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryti%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Agreement

umm yes about that...

Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor

in 1918 10% of german and austro-hungaria population was dead or wounded. with bigger % of wounded that need care and have some limitations

15% of popuation of ottoman empire have died

Versailles was wrong because germany was not partitioned like ottoman or austrian empires. anglo-saxons didnt partition germany because they wanted existance of constant troublemaker in the contitnet

VAE VICTIS lol

you should not have started the war

Daniel Long
Daniel Long

If it had been a repeat of the Franco-Prussian war, then sure. It is mostly the retarded Anglo's fault for getting involved in a war that was none of their business and throwing away the best of their young for no discernible reason (aside from becoming debt slaves of the United States).

Eli Sanders
Eli Sanders

june 44
it was already over russian hordes were stumping us
at least you arent spaghettis

Leo Thompson
Leo Thompson

Versailles was wrong because germany was not partitioned
How so?
https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/05/905-004-5BFC419B.jpg
It was and in a retarded way while at it

Michael Walker
Michael Walker

to prevent ww2 germany should have been partitoned into 7-8 parts: bavaria, east prussia, saxonis etc.

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

That teaches me to wake up and post
no, harris posters are actually just this stupid

Wyatt Ramirez
Wyatt Ramirez

Utterly moronic to think you could've maintained a partition of the heart of Europe and have prevented it from expanding into its natural spheres by doing so. This was simply not possible. The French occupation of the Ruhr was a good example of what that kind of thing would have led to (i.e. full scale German chimp-out).

There was no reason for Britain to get involved in this war. None. It destroyed them and it destroyed Europe, when you could've just had Germany take a small portion of France, as was natural (France simply could not compete with Germany, and was oversized for its power--still is).

When you foolishly try to contain a force that needs to expand naturally according to its internal power then you are creating the circumstances for a conflagration that would embroil all of Europe.

Brandon Myers
Brandon Myers

Yes, this is one of the most retarded things i've ever heard, seriously. The exact same thing would've happened eventually, because such a slight wouldn't be forgotten (if it had even been possible, which it wasn't--the allies were bankrupted, and only got what they did by keeping up a starvation blockade after the war had already finished).

Adrian Clark
Adrian Clark

Splitting up Germany would have led to French and Russian domination of the continent. It was wiser to just split the Poles off as a buffer and have 3 medium sized countries staring angrily at each other than ww2 with France and parts of Germany as an enemy.

Gavin Campbell
Gavin Campbell

they had militarty alliance

germany , austria and ottoman empire were weaker
france, britain and russia were stronger

britain was a part of entente, but they played on both sides. because they didnt partition germany, they wanted germany to exist as a counterbalance to france and russia.

allies had gold, central powers had no gold.
rest doesnt matter.

partition of germany would have prevented overproduction of military equipment and debt crisis that were caused by hitler. such way he would not have ability to enforce his economic policy over germans

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

Yes, this is one of the most retarded things i've ever heard, seriously. The exact same thing would've happened eventually, because such a slight wouldn't be forgotten (if it had even been possible, which it wasn't--the allies were bankrupted, and only got what they did by keeping up a starvation blockade after the war had already finished).
maybe history would have taken an other turn

Owen Flores
Owen Flores

so to restore Hanseatic league-like order in the heart of Europe?
That mentality was outdated (it is starting to emrge now tho) and harmful to the ruling class... Balkanization means in a way more autonomy (from the ruler) and "less" sovereignty (from outside factors) so sovereigns of the time feared that in a way (especially with emerging communism)

Daniel Powell
Daniel Powell

Because in order to continue a war you generally need armies, and Germany didn't have any. What they had at that point were gangs of men who wouldn't fight and they couldn't supply.

Anyone who says the armistice was the result of social problems at home doesn't know anything about how the actual events took place. Peace didn't happen when the Reichstag told the Kaiser he needed to make peace. It didn't even happen when the Kaiser started getting worried about revolution. It happened when Hindenburg and Ludendorf went to the palace and told an incredulous Kaiser that it was all over. They were military men and they made their decision on military grounds.

Ludendorf had had a literal nervous breakdown towards the end of the war because there simply weren't the men and resources left to do what Hindenburg was asking him to do - and all Hindenburg was asking him to do at that point was hold the army together. The German forces in France were so disorganised at that point that if the Entente had launched another major offensive they simply would have been swept aside. If they hadn't signed the armistice in November then a week later shells would have started falling on Köln and Strasbourg. Within a month the Rhineland would be occupied and the allies would be over the Rhine and making inroads into the heart of Germany. By the end of the year Berlin itself would be threatened.

The German military was like a spring that had been overwound and overwound until it simply snapped. When it went, it really went and there was no gluing it back together. Germany had to sue for peace when it did, while it still technically had troops in France, because even the facade of power is better than nothing at all.

Alexander Rodriguez
Alexander Rodriguez

They have problem with food production(it happen the same in WW II) because they send their men and horses(little mechanization if all) to war and their food production plummeted.
In 2nd WW they use massive forced labor but ithis was not thing in Great War.

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

military alliances dont last forever my dude

Angel Green
Angel Green

harmful to the ruling class...

so you care about german rulling class? who are you , lol?

germans states and former austro-hungaria could have had common market but high budget and tax eutonomy etc. (britain forbade this, but they decided not to split germany LOL)

it was easier to deal with commies or nazis in medium size state (like finland lol), but you cant stop them in bigger state.

Isaiah Kelly
Isaiah Kelly

Germany had won until the jews dragged the USA into the war on behalf of the UK. In exchange a piece of land in Palestine would be obtained for future Israel. The jews then went on to exploit the remnants of Germany and we all know the rest of that story. It's literally a sacrifice of white men for Israel.

Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

This

Joseph Howard
Joseph Howard

If america hadn't joined the war this thing would have gone endlessly.
Yes and no. yes, in the sense that America's presence forced Germany to accept whatever terms were offered to her. No, because France and Britain weren't equally exhausted in 1918. Britain had overcome the U-boat problem whereas Germany was still blockaded by the royal navy.

Maybe the Spring Offensive in 1918 would have succeeded if America hadn't been there, since it was a fairly close-run thing as it was. But I don't think so, because in the end the Germans had the same problem they had in 1914 - they were relying on a quick and devastating breakthrough, but that very same thing also led to overstretched supply lines.

What happened during the Hundred Days wasn't an American army sweeping like a juggernaut over the exhausted Germans, dragging the Brits and French along behind them, like they did in WW2. In 1918 the American expeditionary force was still finding its feet. What actually made the difference was the British - and when I say British, I mean British, Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders - pioneering the use combined arms tactics. Tanks, aircraft, artillery and infantry, all used together in coordinated attacks.

Actually, this week is the hundredth anniversary of the genesis of Germany's defeat. At the battle of Cambrai the British deployed tanks in massive numbers for the first time, and punched a big hole in the German lines. Because of poor communication and inexperience in coordinating the tanks with the infantry, the attack failed to result in a lasting breakthrough, but it did provide a showcase for how combined arms tactics could be used with great effect.

Jack Smith
Jack Smith

kek i actually dislike Germans desu...
Missunderstanding is what that was - ruling classes or sovereigns of every country at the time which includes Georgey V
For example take, why Spain is not present on Kosovo as part of the peacekeeping operations?
tip: Catalonia

That is also a good point (balance of power/s), since UK didn't want a powerfull state (economic union) dominating mainland Europe

Camden Nguyen
Camden Nguyen

Because Germany sucks
RULE BRITANNIA
BRITANNIA RULE THE WAVES

Landon Kelly
Landon Kelly

In 1914 America wasn't the superpower that it would be by the middle of the century. In fact, its military forces were next to non-existent, precisely because it only had to worry about Mexico and Canada. In 1914 the American military was rated 13th in the world, just after Portugal.

Of course, Mexico was still far weaker by comparison, but it was a David vs. Goliath battle, rather than David vs. Goliath in one of those jaegers from Pacific Rim. With German funding, the Mexicans could have posed a real threat to the southern united states.

Luke Green
Luke Green

Germans are subhuman animals, Anglos are the master race

Isaiah Diaz
Isaiah Diaz

No, France simply did not have the power to dominate the continent. And Russia was engaged in an internal war and couldn't make it past the Poles. It doesn't matter what you do, Germany will dominate mainland Europe--this has been inevitable since the 19th century, and is why Britain should've been kept out of the war.

This retard doesn't seem to grasp that Germany STILL dominates Europe, despite being partitioned, annihilated, ethnically cleansed, and indoctrinated with self-hating propaganda that would never have worked after WW1:

See above: you are delusional.

Germany at that time already had high degree of autonomy in provinces. Splitting the thing would not have prevented them from uniting again. The centralisation of Germany happened under the Nazis--prior to that German regions had high degree of autonomy, much more than France or UK, for example.

Noah Walker
Noah Walker

This.

Joseph Garcia
Joseph Garcia

yes, that is why i tell that their rulling class should have been crashed, brits didnt do it with purpose. they punished common germans lol

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

We were blockading German ports. Germans decided to attack merchant navy ships with their uboats so Britain felt that it was morally justified in attacking German civilian ships as well.

Kayden James
Kayden James

France was as exhausted as Germany, more so, in terms of manpower. The war had grown incredibly unpopular in Britain too, and being democratic, they could not have kept the conflict up for that long, though Britain had managed to avoid the wholesale devastation of France and Germany (but they also weren't fighting for anything of theirs really either).

James Cox
James Cox

Britain is never wrong every action the British made in every war in history is justified

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

why are you bringing that up? guilty conscience?

Zachary Jenkins
Zachary Jenkins

That's how we forced the German surrender. I'm not making a moral judgement, I'm just stating it as is. It's entirely up to you to determine whether or not you agree with the justification. I personally don't think stooping down to the low level of war criminals is good practice, but I can understand how someone would disagree.

Joshua Gomez
Joshua Gomez

Britain had overcome the U-boat problem
Extensively with the American help (and this scenario excludes Yanks)

American army sweeping like a juggernaut over the exhausted Germans
Excerpt from E.M.Remarque's (like him or not) Der weg zurück: "Their uniforms and coats are new; boots are water-proof and right size; their (American) weapons are good; their (haver)sacks are full of ammunition. All are joyful and rested".
Also writes about stuff like they had real cigarettes while Germans had hay-filled "stuff" and so on...

Also
pioneering the use combined arms tactics
Every author so far i read was describing Germans had better railway connections (logistics - not possible for Blitzkrieg tho), better munition (less duds) and better field tactics (Auftragstaktik)

I'd said they ran out of breath + kikes took their chance for a while

Logan Morris
Logan Morris

It's not so much the blockade during the war but the fact in continued long into 1919 to force the Germans to accept humiliating terms that was completely uncivilised.

Leo Young
Leo Young

I think that, by the end of the First World War, all powers involved were long past the point of civility between nations.

Connor Flores
Connor Flores

Wouldn’t maintaining the continental power balance be a good reason to intervene? Think about it, as long as you can keep the other 4 great powers canceling each other out, you can be top dog.

Jackson White
Jackson White

Did {{{they}}} have tanks though?

Michael Morgan
Michael Morgan

how is it possible that a nation like Russia could be dominated by jew post wwi. Unbelievable

Juan Howard
Juan Howard

Germans kill innocent Anglos
durrr don't humiliate them

Camden Diaz
Camden Diaz

The Hundred Days Offensive

After 4 years of trial and error, Commonwealth and Yank troops were able to effectively utilise joint operations.

Combine this with a vast superiority in production capability, and the Germans were never going to win.

/thread

Juan Scott
Juan Scott

Don't bother, people on this board doesn't even consider Germans to be human anymore. Anything is justified against them as far as Sup Forums is concerned.

Henry Hall
Henry Hall

Sorry I should say Combined Arms Warfare, not joint operations

Luis Jackson
Luis Jackson

It was a retarded war in the first place

Ayden Perry
Ayden Perry

And ironically it was somehow, but not as you said by the victors but by their own ship-Lenin-to-Russia experiment, which was even worse and in combination with Versailles breeding ground for Adolf and his doings in the future

Not sure if trolling, but tanks were not really that important in WW1... sure they were a boost to psychology when first used but they were slow and clunky + shell devastated fields made it hard to use, so Cambrai as user mentioned was only part worth mentioning for tanks

Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

Britain would have gone bankrupt in 1917 without the American entry. They were debating selling parts of Canada by that point.

Landon Baker
Landon Baker

(((Advisors)))

Jaxon Diaz
Jaxon Diaz

The Teuton is a species made to be destroyed

Andrew Barnes
Andrew Barnes

Don't forget
most powerful ally, Austria-Hungary, surrendered a month prior

Nathaniel Collins
Nathaniel Collins

fpbp

Zachary Smith
Zachary Smith

Got a proof for that Hans?
Would be much obliged

Josiah Bennett
Josiah Bennett

Massive bombings of the mainland tokyo furebombings/atom bombs etc

Lincoln Roberts
Lincoln Roberts

Tanks were pretty handy because they provided direct infantry support, later offensives are a better example than 1916 cambrai. Between cambrai and the end of the war, tank tactics have been improved. Apart from that though, tanks are a technological innovation to regain the initiative on the battlefield. Is there something comparable on the German side?
Mission tactics were 1915-1916’s tactics, by 1918 the French and even the Brits had caught on.
What I’m saying is, by the middle of the war, the alies were improving their overall warfare capabilities, while the central powers were stagnating about the same level.

Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

Anglo education
... cretin

Isaiah Davis
Isaiah Davis

I've seen it discussed and been part of discussions in some history forums way way back. Shortly after the declaration of war Britain started to send people to the USA with essentially a 'begging bowl' because they were so desperate. Britain had to buy everything abroad, mostly from the USA, as well as support the economies of its allies. The German raiding campaigns also made the transportation of goods much more expensive. By contrast, Germany had access to lots of iron and coal internally, conquered most of France's and Belgiums sources thereof and cut off Russia from the allies.

Daniel Harris
Daniel Harris

They did it in WW2 also, buying expensive-ass Thompson submachine guns with gold bullion.

Thanks for the gold anglos.

Zachary James
Zachary James

Yes, WW1 also marked the period when the US stopped being a debtor country and became a net creditor.

Benjamin Hughes
Benjamin Hughes

turks are more european than finns

Samuel Sullivan
Samuel Sullivan

bad luck
(((Pure coincidence)))
It's not like the "Stab in the back" is based entirely off of reality or anything.

Jaxson Reyes
Jaxson Reyes

Although you can argue it is Wikipedia, that is a common fact about WWI tanks; "After a big British success on the first day, mechanical unreliability, German artillery and infantry defences exposed the frailties of the Mark IV tank. On the second day, only about half of the tanks were still operational. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cambrai_(1917)

innovation to regain the initiative on the battlefield
is literally "auftragstaktik" minus the armour

What I’m saying is, by the middle of the war, the alies were improving their overall warfare capabilities, while the central powers were stagnating about the same level.
can fully agree with that, since Germans started to ran out of materials and social unrests were more frequent

I agree on all points, but have never heard of the Canadian bit, that's why a source would be much appreciated

Luke Robinson
Luke Robinson

Their allies were collapsing around them. The Spring Offensive strained their resources, and the Macedonian Front was successful. They had no hope for winning.

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

US didn't have nukes in 41, Japan could have taken the entire pacific fleet out and invaded through alaska and Mexico but they held back by mistake

Cooper Wood
Cooper Wood

The US lost. It's hard to win when the two sides have different terms of engagement.
The US knew it was better to leave than risk the Empire. Something in ww2 the bongs were too retarded to do.

Xavier Myers
Xavier Myers

Using the mongrel meme on 1917 burgers, who still had laws against racemixing until 1967.

Jonathan Bell
Jonathan Bell

Yeah can't find any sources right now, sorry. The rest should be easily verifiable if you google though.

Jayden Morgan
Jayden Morgan

cant wait to see you on Sargon!

Angel Butler
Angel Butler

what is the 30 years war
what is the seven years war
250 years of frogs allying with roaches to gangbang austria and the holy roman empire.

Julian King
Julian King

Germany winning WWII would have been better.

Easton Butler
Easton Butler

Go away Muhammad.

Adrian Wood
Adrian Wood

not a single enemy army entered her lands
There actually were quite a lot of jews in Germany even during WW1.

Chase Murphy
Chase Murphy

umm no sweetie. It's shame too, the US would have likely annexed half of it.
GDP 1913
America 500 billion
USSR 225 billion
Western europe 900 Billion
Mexico 25 billion
for comparison
Belgium 32 billion
Also 2000 burger marines landed in Veracruz in 1914 killed some beaners and occupied it for seven months.

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

are you saying if burgers didn't enter the war burgers could have bought canada at black friday prices?

Isaac White
Isaac White

Why did Germany surrender in WW1 when not a single enemy army entered her lands and the were still winning the war in other lands?
Germany was collapsing on all fronts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Days_Offensive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vittorio_Veneto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Serbia,_Albania_and_Montenegro_(1918)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_Khan_Baghdadi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_to_Haritan
Of course Germaboos on Sup Forums will just blame the Jews ignoring that the German army never mutinied while the French army actually did mutiny in 1917 and didn't cost them the war.

The death blow for Germany came after the failure of the Spring Offensives. Germany suffered devastating losses, particularly among its elite troops and were left in a precarious position.

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