Is the success of Kemono Friends proof that having good characterization and stories are more important than good...

Is the success of Kemono Friends proof that having good characterization and stories are more important than good animation? It's interesting how the show with the worst production values this season is the most successful.

That's not really anything new, OP.

The original Gundam series still had good scenes though.

Is this example more to your liking?

Not only that. You also need an abundant variety of cute girls and a relatively ambiguous setting people can riff upon really hard.

Not really. GuP made good use of the flexibility afforded by CG by creating interesting battles despite the ugly looks. Also, it had some nice 2D character animation.

characters are obviously more sellable than anime itself so there goes the trend. Just like why music industry are selling artists

I agree with this. My two favourites of this season are KF and Akiba Strip. Everythin else is mediocre at best.

They're likeable, but they're not good characters.
Also, no, it doesn't prove anything. SAO has bad characters and story and is still one of the most successful franchises of this decade.

>SAO has bad characters and story
But the fans seem to love the characters though.

And? People with bad taste are nothing new.

Kemono Friend animation and visual direction are good, the only "bad" thing is how ugly it looks.

I'm not talking about if people have good or bad taste, it's about what sells and what doesn't. The most interesting thing about SAO, and I'm talking without watching past the first half, is the characters and their different relationships, the rest, the setting, the games and so, excluding maybe the battles, are all shit. And that shit sold.

>is the characters and their different relationships
user, please, it is pretty much the girl of the week with the MC for the first half. No different relationships at all.

Tastes, I find the models themselves pretty good looking. There's a bunch of ugly shots mostly with the limbs, but the faces are fine.

What's interesting about SAO characters?
I can also have Infinite Stratos as a counterargument to OP's statement. Popularity is never an indicator of wether the writing is good or not.

>Good characterization
I somewhat like Kemono but come on now.

I think it's proof that it's completely random what becomes popular - it's just some sort of meme magic. Or rather it's not really factors that people are fully aware of yet and manage to make it by chance - also others who try to imitate will probably fail.

I think it's pretty decent but there is absolutely nothing that makes so much better than anything else that is proportionate to the popularity difference. Was going to also say that it's just Japs having retarded tastes but then I remembered we had mlp getting randomly extremely popular so it must be a global phenomena.

every character is unique and interesting

They barely even have personality. Most of the "characterization" is just how they have animal outfits.

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They're simple. Calling them interesting is an insult to actually interesting characters.

You're just confused by the fact the fun and happy characters and tone make you feel good, wanting to link positive traits to something you like. It's understandable.

Not that user, but you most likely don't watch the show, just looked at some screenshots or webms.

If animation is all that matter, dragon dentist and fliflop would have been highly celebrated.

Basically you need quality over substance and it need to entertain and create fun. What is the point in watching something that look good and cool if it is doesn't entertain?

I'm not exactly sure what your argument here is, that it's not a series that makes you feel good? Sure, the last episode was tense but it doesn't change the fact it's obviously a feel-good type of series.

The best part about kemomo friends is the effort the staff put into the show. They probably expected this to to be the final nail in the coffin for the franchise, so to speak.

FF was good though. Japanese are just retards.
KF got only popular because it wasn't an original and had a game. KF was popular from ep1 in Japan.
FF wasn't popular because those retards couldn't meme and bandwagon it.
Like Touhou and Kancercolle got only so popular for all the retards bandwagonning them to fit in and to spam epic memes.

>KF was popular from ep1 in Japan.

also artists are massive attention whoring autists, once they start drawing pictures of it all the retards will flock to it
it's enough if some popular artist draws something then all the other loser artists will bandwagon it for attention
and porn will draw in even more retards, like with Kancolle

Kemono Friends is kino.

I mean people were posting how the Futaba threads were hitting 2000 posts since the start.
Also once artists start making pictures and porn it gets automatically popular no matter the quality of the source. See Kancolle, only popular because of art and porn, the game is utter piece of shit

I think it's a chicken/egg type of a question. Regarding Kancolle, the gameplay is simple and addictive: you can call it "shit" and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, but it definitely is a game that the masses find entertaining. I don't really think it's popular only because art and porn, they rather serve as a boost for something already popular.

This.
People forget that it's one of those series with tons of characters that have various designs like Kancolle or that fujo analog with swords. Not to mention monster grils are pretty popualr right now. Not saying it's a bad show, but it's clear that it's mostly popular thanks to the visual part.

Well Kancercolle got popular on its own first but would be forgotten after few months. The porn draws in lots of retards who don't even know the game exists. Th fan crap keeps the franchise alive while no one gives a fuck about the game.
The same with Touhou. It's being kept alive by art and fan crap.
Waifushit keeps them alive, that's all the retards care about.

>there are people that think the CG in GuP is ugly

1. that's the movie
2. it doesn't look very good
looks like WOT on low settings

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A good character is defined by their motives, not by their quirks.

That is why Kemono Friends has good characters. All of the characters have some clear defined motive, something that they want or are trying to accomplish, and barriers to it, in addition to having their own unique personalities and such.

It's a pretty simple thing but it's also something a lot of shows just don't even bother with. Take Little Witch Academia for example. It's a good example because it too has a large cast of quirky characters. Now consider something like Beaver and Prairie Dog. Prairie Dog likes digging holes and has a lot of energy, but tends to go overboard. Beaver lacks confidence and has a fear of failure that prevents her from starting anything. So Kaban helps them work together to achieve their goals, which are equally simple - they want a home to live in. They discover through her aid that they don't necessarily need to overcome these deficiencies as long as they are willing to rely on others. It's not Shakespeare, but it doesn't have to be. It's JUST enough to make that whole episode enjoyable and to make you like those characters and care about them.

Now look at Little Witch Academia. Sucy likes le mushrooms. Mushrooms are what she likes. Why? Because she likes to make potions. Why? I guess it doesn't matter at that point. This is just simply all there is to Sucy, she doesn't seem like a real person, just a one-note gag. The same can be said of practically all the other characters with the possible exception of Akko, who at least has an underdog story going on where she wants to be like her hero. But the story itself doesn't focus on the characters and their wants and needs the way Kemono Friends does. Instead it focuses on making light of their quirks. Akko is clumsy, Sucy likes le mushrooms, Lotte isn't much of anything, Constanze is a greasemonkey, and so on. That's lack of characterization.

CG looks always jarring when used with 2D. GuP is no exception.

Naruto wanted to become hokage, does it make him a good character?

>A good character is defined by their motives
This isn't something universal though. Kemono friends lacks a lot of traits you could also consider good characterization. The characters aren't realistic, they don't feel like real beings. They lack very basic character depth. There's pretty much nothing else than quirks defining the cast. The fact character is defined by his/her motive doesn't automatically mean the character is well written.

Now all this is arguable as Kemono Friends obviously doesn't intend to write compelling characters. It's an adventure show for children and manchildren. They work in the context they've been given. But regardless, I still wouldn't consider them good characters, more like functional tools.

A good character is defined by how often you want to say how much you want to fuck her.

>A good character is defined by their motives
No he isn't. By that that logic, you can call any hothead battle shounen MC who wants to mamoru his nakama "good". The motive is never enough to call character good.

Not enough per se, but it is essential, and it's often missing. Incidentally I might argue that one thing battle shounens tend to do well is characterization.

It's proof that the audience has terminal shittaste. Anime is about animation, it's primarily a visual medium. And no, it's not "interesting", it's sickening.

I like the show, but the animation literally makes me want to kill myself.

It would be AOTY if traditionally animated

trollolol/10

No. You haven't cranked WoT on low if you claim that.

I can't wait for more CGI trash that gets popular thanks to designs that can be sexualized to hell and back.

Kemono Friends? More like Kino Friends

Feels good that a generic shounen or LN isn't the most popular anime of the season.

the fuck is this shit about?

Rather than proof of the rule, it's proof that the exception can sell. There's no good characterization or stories in this show but it's selling like hotcakes.

Cute CGI animal girls ventureing through the ruins of humanity with a M Night Shamalamadingdong twist

There's no anime with a better story this season though.

Animation barely ever matters though unless you're hipster, if it's boring no amount of 10/10 animation will save it.

So you're not watching Kuzu no Honkai?

Kemono Friends is minimalist, which is appealing. The characters don't have to have in-depth backstories or struggles to act as filler. What mystery there is is a driving force of the plot.

Yeah, which is depressing because once the mystery is over, the show's appeal is going to dwindle

Try actually watching anime instead of reading synopses.

>I might argue that one thing battle shounens tend to do well is characterization.
In what way? Most of the battle shounen MC "characterization" is basically "good guy with a heart of gold who wants to protect his friends". It's not a good characterization, it's a low effort, cheap trick used the authors who don't want(or able) to write something that actually takes some skill.

Not really. Cute animals still have universal over say military equipment or mythological monsters.

(you)

It's like Kancolle, everyone just draws lewd and porn of the girls and that's why it's popular. Everyone just wants to fuck cute girls with animal ears.

What about cute mythological monsters?

Gintama

If that's the reason, why does it have much more mass appeal in demographics?

It's a meme anime retards.

Implying anything else can compete with the Nier Automata-esque themes of memory and what constitutes the human soul

So Alita or GitS?

Anything this season

FF failed because character designs were not very good and story completely fell apart in second half.

(you)

>Futaba threads were hitting 2000 posts since the star

And a lot of it was people shitting on how bad it looks.

KF exploded around episodes 3-4.

Naruto was a good character at the start of the series.

This is how I can tell you're underage or retarded. Nier's story is puddle deep existentialism that you armchair psychiatrists jerk off over because it makes you feel intelligent.

Show me a recent season where this was the case.

Almost all big hits are anime original.

Kancolle fanart is like 80% porn.

KF fanart is 10% porn.

Maybe, but I somehow really pity the guys from Hand Shakers. They air in the same hour iirc.

Good for KF, there's nothing wrong with any anime becoming popular (other than discussion getting worse, but eh).

Re:Zero
OPM
Jojo
KonoSuba

Except Kemono Friends has extremely high chance to succeed in what Kancolle failed miserably, i.e. to become franchise with non-H fan content prevailing over H.

I really hope it will become something like 2hu where people can create and share comics about characters, their stories and adventures. Not a porn dumpster like Kancolle.

Kemono Friends is a true Bildungsroman, not a perpetual teen fighting or romance.

Please don't use that game as a premise for shitposting. It has a great story and handles its themes well. Plenty of anime does the same.

>touhou
>not a porn dumpster

>I really hope it will become something like 2hu where people can create and share comics about characters, their stories and adventures.
It's fucking incredible that you retards think it's going to take off like this. Wait until it ends and watch as the popularity plummets. It could even get a second season and it won't have staying power.

It can be both

Next season will be Attack on Titan. This season would've been Konosuba if KF didn't come out of nowhere. Re:Zero for Spring 2016

Not sure about episode 1 but after 2 it was just people spamming the tanoshi and sugoi meme. This meme and the "your iq will go down watching this show" that derived from it are probably the main reason the anime became viral. Of course, if the show was bad it would have ended at that, but let's not act writing was the main reason it's a hit.

I'm not the user you're quoting by the way, it definitely wasn't popular from the start.

It doesn't have a great story though. By contrast to modern games it does but at an actual writing level, no.

It will be forgotten after the season end. Hestia and Rem alone got more art in the similar time span on their own than KF got with all their characters combined.

Why wouldn't it? It's demographic is much broader.

>missing the point completely
You're retarded here. I was comparing it to 2hu in terms of proportion of H to non-H doujins and fan-art. Go to fucking sanpanda, for 2hu it's like 50/50 (compared to 90/10 in kancolle).

>it won't have staying power.
Yeap, I heard the same about kancolle. But if retards like you ever knew how japanese artistic community works you would never say that.

>at an actual writing level, no

I wish you faggots would stop acting like "good writing" is some transcendent concept that has only ever been achieved by Chaucer and Shakespeare and Milton. We aren't comparing it to literature, we're comparing it to pop culture.

It is literally a meme show. Say what you will but that's all it is at the end of the day. When it finishes airing and the memes thin out, so will it's popularity.

Touhou has managed to chug on for well over a decade based on memes alone

Nice assumptions. You're purposely comparing it to garbage so you can claim it's exceptional. You don't need to read classic literature to know good writing, you just need to read literature to begin with instead of playing video games for stories.

I remember faggots like you said the same thing about YOI but look where we are

Game like Kancolle with constant updates has more staying power than anime that ends in 3 months and people move to new shows.

And gameplay and music. You know, the actual components of a video game whereas Kemono Friends has nothing outside of memes.