Kiritsugu and maybe halves of fate character would collectively laugh their ass of for hours

Hudson Foster
Hudson Foster

I mean, the writer of this anime(LN?) actually read/watch fate/stay night and fate/zero right?

Also this piece of shit is so full of plot hole even more than fucking Carnival Phantasm.

Also I really really hate how this show make a single life of homunculus so important which disregard anything fate series had established.

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Carter Moore
Carter Moore

Learn English or fuck the hell off.

Joshua Powell
Joshua Powell

Fuck Apocrypha, Sieg, the author, and you faggot for typing like a retard.

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

Also I really really hate how this show make a single life of homunculus so important which disregard anything fate series had established.
Stopped reading there.

Grayson Nelson
Grayson Nelson

He's right though. It's not just the character designs, entire focus of the franchise shifted from the heroic spirits to worthless pandering. Large chunk of Astolfo's screentime is this girly grinning and various mannerisms, and a scattering of time actually goes into the ideologies and internal struggles. The whole point of these entities summoned to the world lies in enacting their system of beliefs, the perspective of omnipotent wish bringing out their own flaws and regrets. Even the hidden identity wasn't just a strategical prudence, but a way for the viewer of discovering the character (pun unintended) before the reveal of which historical/fictional figure they represent.

Instead we get this fetish fuel nonsense and any actual characterization is tacked on in two or three lines, like it's an extra to the flashy things. They don't even bother to hide their origns, just "Hey there, I'm this guy please check the wiki to see any of my potential weaknesses, nice to meet you!".

Fate franchise didn't become popular because it had naked Saber. There are tons of "hotter" eroges that never made the cut. The real reason was the intensive struggle where every character gave their all for the goal, all placed inside a fascinating take on classic fantasy. But now we've moved so far away from that it's little surprise people are complaining. There's nothing to get invested in other than setting, and after the inital infodumps even that is being pushed into the background.

Zachary Watson
Zachary Watson

stopped reading at the end of the post
man you must be some sort of genius or something

also OP is a retard for forgetting Ilya and Iri

Blake Butler
Blake Butler

The real reason was the intensive struggle where every character gave their all for the goal, all placed inside a fascinating take on classic fantasy
No I'm pretty sure it was naked Saber/waifus. It's not like F/SN has a good plot or anything.

Matthew Gutierrez
Matthew Gutierrez

Fate never really were about the heroic spirits. It was an eroge about idealism vs reality, the setting of the holy grail war was nothing but a means of showing how Shirous conflict would last against a future version of himself while making the setting more intresting. If you think about it, without those themes the setting is dumb as fuck. Fate Zero was that times equivalent of a fucking fanfiction.

Luke Cook
Luke Cook

My point being, Fate never was anything else but an intresting fan-pandering VN. Zero is the show you should be critizising for being non "fate-esque".

Owen Allen
Owen Allen

Carnival Phantasm was the only good thing to come out of fate senpai.

Lucas Harris
Lucas Harris

Even the hidden identity wasn't just a strategical prudence, but a way for the viewer of discovering the character (pun unintended) before the reveal of which historical/fictional figure they represent.
They don't even bother to hide their origns, just "Hey there, I'm this guy please check the wiki to see any of my potential weaknesses, nice to meet you!".
Siegfried did, at least. It's also a thing in Extra, and FGO finally brought it back in the latest chapters

Julian Wood
Julian Wood

Spotted the secondary.

Jordan Wright
Jordan Wright

This is why anytime I write a fanfiction I explicitly change names and introduce other universal rules so that shit doesn't get retarded (more than it usually would be for fanfic'ing)

Nicholas Nelson
Nicholas Nelson

It's also a thing in Extra
What? No, it's not. Have you even played Extra? This only really happens with one or two outliers, like Gawain. They're the exception, not the example. Most servants, including your own servant, keep their identity hidden.

Cameron Kelly
Cameron Kelly

Strong and thick dragon dick

Xavier Mitchell
Xavier Mitchell

dumb teenager gets magic dropped onto his lap and beats bad guys with it. It's that serious of a story and basically disney tier with sex scenes

Nathan Ward
Nathan Ward

But that's exactly what I was saying
That Extra and the latest FGO chapters have you trying to figure out the Servants identities

Caleb Harris
Caleb Harris

We see no problem with this

Aaron Carter
Aaron Carter

Reminder Astolfo and Sieg ruined the series. Should have been about Ruler walking around doing Ruler things or Mordred and her new dad.

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

The worst part is, the shit characters in this shit are considered "canon". An amateur forever ruined heroes like Siegfried and villains like Mordred by giving them a shit design and shit personality, and that amateur's mistakes are considered canon now. There will never be a better version of a cool hero like Seigfried.

Oliver Thompson
Oliver Thompson

Wow, but that Isn't FSN.
No name kid randomly gets involved in a magic war, randomly meets a super mage killer who helped him, randomly got a super magic item from super mage killer, randomly got revived by super magic item given by super mage killer, randomly change origin because of super magic item given by super mage killer. All that's left was the turning into a heroic spirit and shit, but you've got magical arm transplanting in the other routes, so it's not that different. Also, literally dies by turning into swords too.
Fate was also filled with stupidly convenient events as well.

F/SN fags are the cancer of Sup Forums.

Andrew Moore
Andrew Moore

You put that in the same category as Siegfried. You do know he just announces his name before fighting Karna in anime, right? Karna does the same. He just announces his name. Astolfo was about to announce his name before fighting Berserker of Red. This is not the same as how it in Extra, so you putting them together confused me.

Noah Perry
Noah Perry

The whole point of these entities summoned to the world lies in enacting their system of beliefs, the perspective of omnipotent wish bringing out their own flaws and regrets.
I thought the whole point of them being summoned was because a bunch of humans wanted to kill them in a sacrificial ritual.

Andrew Gonzalez
Andrew Gonzalez

You do know he just announces his name before fighting Karna in anime, right?
Yeah, I forgot about that. He doesn't do it in the LN, which is why I said that. Siegfried keeping his identity hidden was a pretty important plot point

Luis Ortiz
Luis Ortiz

No name kid randomly gets involved in a magic war, randomly meets a super mage killer who helped him, randomly got a super magic item from super mage killer, randomly got revived by super magic item given by super mage killer, randomly change origin because of super magic item given by super mage killer.
THE only random part of that is the kid's identity though. There's no randomness involved in the rest of it.

He didn't randomly meet a super mage killer. That super mage killer was desperately looking for someone to save. It was that desperation, not randomness. He didn't randomly get Avalon. That was given to him by that mage killer to save him, because that's what the mage killer does. There's no randomness involved in this. He didn't randomly revive. He revived with Avalon's effects, which had been made clear in Arthurian Legends centuries ago. Again, nothing random. The only random part was that the identity of the kid Kiritsugu saves. It could've been anyone, but it was Shirou. And that randomness doesn't really matter. The boys identity doesn't matter.

Asher Hill
Asher Hill

You forgot "getting the perfect counter to the greatest Heroic Spirit through a series of coincidences".

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

dumb teenager gets magic dropped onto his lap

Shirou had magic from the beginning lol

and basically disney tier with sex scenes

just read the Realta Nua version then, you fucking secondary

Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

one reality where he manages to actually face off against him
countless where he just dies miserably

k

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

+80h long novel
retards only focus on the less than 2 hours of naked wiafus

Jack Cruz
Jack Cruz

Did you forget Irisviel is an homunculus as well?

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

collecting cgs is the best part
stories are for sjws anyway

Christian Peterson
Christian Peterson

Fate was always pretty weak 2bh.
Zero just upped the popularity with its over the top animations. Now it's being milked for all it's worth

Nolan Reyes
Nolan Reyes

As far as I remembered noone object to irisviel get turn to grail, not saber not her family not her husband.

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

Greatest Heroic Spirit
It's been 13 years since release
Gilfags are STILL butthurt
This can't be true

Wyatt Torres
Wyatt Torres

My noble phantasm's ability is that it NEVER misses
Misses
Every time

Owen Davis
Owen Davis

one has the ability to manipulate causality
the other can outright defy fate
she still gets hit and seriously injured, just doesn't get killed

fuck off
inb4 "Archer vs Lancer"

the thrown version is just a glorified homing missile

Ian Ross
Ian Ross

dumb teenager gets magic dropped onto his lap
Shirou had magic from the beginning lol

...you're proving his point.

Jacob Garcia
Jacob Garcia

I thought his point was "hurr asspull powerups"

Isaiah Lopez
Isaiah Lopez

five year old can't distinguish plot from theme

Elijah Hernandez
Elijah Hernandez

No he isn't Shirou literally had to almost die for weeks before the story before he could use magic. The exact opposite of what that user was saying.

Basically, they were completely wrong.

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

This.

Parker Martinez
Parker Martinez

the other can outright defy fate
Fancy way of describing a plot device.

Joshua Diaz
Joshua Diaz

Will you faggots learn how to greentext properly? It's bad enough that half the thread uses it for maymay arrows instead of actually quoting, but having two arrows in a quote is just fucking retarded.

Hudson Clark
Hudson Clark

plot device

honestly
you have no idea what that word means, you just wanted to sound smart, didn't you?M

Jackson Peterson
Jackson Peterson

>>2052 - 7*5
not using double arrows
actually quoting what was said
I hope you don't seriously do this.

Jason Gonzalez
Jason Gonzalez

so when does her slutty sister show up?

Ryan Cooper
Ryan Cooper

Dont bully Diarmuid

Tyler Morales
Tyler Morales

Thanks for demonstrating why you don't use double arrows.

Mason Kelly
Mason Kelly

/youcan'ttellmewhattodo/

Sebastian Gray
Sebastian Gray

Sieg sure isn't as compelling as Iri and Ilya, and that they made him basically the Shirou of Apocrypha doesn't help either.
His romance with Jeanne also ends basically the same way as Saber's.

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

The fact that protagonist of Apo is EVERYTHING that secondaries mischaracterize Shirou as, but without the complexity and depth Shirou actually had, does not help. Also trying to make trying to make Jeanne into Discount-Saber.

Landon Brown
Landon Brown

Why even make Jeanne the Saber wannabe when they had Mordred?
You'd think the child of the original Saber would make for a more interesting main female.

Benjamin Campbell
Benjamin Campbell

Because Mordred is an edgy actual faggot who murdered her own father and destroyed his kingdom because she was a selfish and retarded little bitch. Not really heroin material. More fitting for the villain.

Carter Wright
Carter Wright

That's the thing though, Artoria was also not exactly a good person in life and that shit treatment was what caused all the suffering in the first place and in the end Mordred and Artoria killed each other.
I'd think it would make for a compelling arc to have her grow out of Artoria's shadow and that whole past, so same like Artoria.

Grand/Order has an event where Artoria and Mordred had a Father(female)/Son(female) moment.

Josiah Thompson
Josiah Thompson

MALfag Detected
hello FAI

Don't encourage the shitposter, its just a copypasta from MAL shitposts

Gabriel James
Gabriel James

Artoria was also not exactly a good person in life
Where did you even get that from? She was the King of Knights, the most chivalrous thing in existence. She was as "good" as they get. She wasn't hated, she was respected by her people and fellow Knights of the Round Table. Everyone looked up to her.

As for Mordred's bitchitude being a "compelling arc" material, MAYBE as a villain. Again, not heroin material, someone who a good guy protagonist is supposed care about. Virtually anything and everything can be "compelling" if handled correctly, but everything can't be made to fit in any role.

Anthony Fisher
Anthony Fisher

why the hell do people keep falling for Fai copypastas?

Jordan Hill
Jordan Hill

Yet her status as king, as well as her pride, made her reject Mordred as her child and when the affair between Lancelot and Gwynevere came out her personal feelings on the matter were that she was happy for them but her duty as king had her condemn them.

Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

And? Are you saying she did something "wrong"? Mordred was kind of not her child. She was conceived using her seed, but with magic and deceit. She didn't even know she had a child. When one of your subjects suddenly show up claiming they're your heir, yet you don't remember ever having one, you likely aren't going to hand over your kingdom. That's being retarded. And it's bad for the kingdom as well, giving rule to someone like Mordred.

As for the Lancelot, she did what she had to as a king. That was not her choice. It was her duty. No one objected when she married Guinevere, but later, Lancelot came out and claimed he wanted to fuck her. That's not Arturia's fault. The one in wrong here is Lancelot and Guinevere. Either don't get married with the king of your kingdom, and if you do, don't fuck someone else. But Arturia, being the nice girl she was, let them. They got caught and suffered consequences. That's not her fault. She fulfilled her duty as both the king and a friend.

By your logic, Arturia would've been a better person and a better king had she handed over her kingdom to a random person claiming to her kid, and if she had forgiven the queen, the lady with the highest position in the kingdom, fuck another man after she was married to Arturia. Basically, she would be "good" if she handed her kingdom to random, unqualified people and if she forgave a crime committed by the queen, the one who must set example for all the women in their kingdom.

Anthony Butler
Anthony Butler

Saber in her life was pretty much a female version of Kiritsugu, having sacrificed entire villages and cities for greater good of winning her wars.

Josiah Brown
Josiah Brown

I agree with you user but the truth is: sex sells

the series was favorable for it's story, but we can't deny that a LARGE part of the reason it sold is because japanese otaku all have a blonde girl fetish

so now that they know what the fans want they'll keep pandering to me with sex

Owen Reyes
Owen Reyes

Mordred was a member of the Round Table. So hardly some rando.

And in the end Mordred's shit boils down to wanting to be noticed by daddy.

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

There is nothing "sex" about Takeuchi's old art though. The original release didn't even have voice acting either. Nor did it have the "Last Episode" pandering ending, Saber just dies under a tree and that's it. Yet it still sold extremely well.

Colton Ramirez
Colton Ramirez

And so was a literal assassin sent to kill Arthur. Getting on the Round Table was practically a joke. It was based more on skill and less on loyalty and wisdom, or pretty much anything a king would need. 1/3 of the members there wanted Arthur dead.

Xavier Parker
Xavier Parker

This is your average Fate follower.

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

Also this piece of shit is so full of plot hole even more than fucking Carnival Phantasm.
Carnival Phantasm
Plot holes

Carter Thompson
Carter Thompson

Dang man I didn't actually know idiots took this tripe seriously

The whole point of these entities summoned to the world lies in enacting their system of beliefs, the perspective of omnipotent wish bringing out their own flaws and regrets.

It has never been about this and this post only outs you as the dipshit Zerofag you are. Nasu's Fate has always, ALWAYS been about the bland shonen protagonist fighting against or alongside legendary heroes. It's possibly the single biggest waste of a setting in all of fiction.

I mean why the fuck do you think Nasu made an extremely contrived reason for King Arthur to be a teenage girl? Because it really ties well into the themes of the plot?

Oliver Russell
Oliver Russell

single life of homunculus so important
Because that homunculus is the Grail, the other are mass-produced clones. You skip the first episode?

Benjamin Cook
Benjamin Cook

Nice shitpost. Saber, at her core, was a pretty deep character. There are parallels drawn between Saber and Shirou with their obsession with matching an unrealistic standard (being a superhero/being the king England deserves) and Saber's backstory shows that trying to become that person ultimately destroyed her. She's remembered as one of the greatest legends of all time but she was never truly happy her entire life, and millennia after her death her only wish is still that someone else would've pulled the sword from the stone because she wasn't good enough. And it plays into one of the central themes of the Arthurian mythos, which is of Arthur as an ideal.

Alexander Howard
Alexander Howard

best girl

Asher Roberts
Asher Roberts

doing that during wartime, doesn't make her Kiritsugu

John Bailey
John Bailey

Astolfo>>>>>>>>>>>slut of Orleans

Juan Foster
Juan Foster

"Chivalry" or "Honor" are not the defining traits of Saber. Saber is an interesting character because behind that exterior she built for herself, there IS a person. Fate route explores it, while Zero uses it as an excuse to have a "chivalrous" character for Urobuchi to rant on so Memeskandar can look better.

Julian Anderson
Julian Anderson

But the legend of Camelot is the legend of losers.

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

Mordred is Retarded.

Oliver Cooper
Oliver Cooper

That should be remove Jeanne

Astolfo and Sieg had a good thing going on, and now Jeanne is showing up out of nowhere and trying to break the two apart. That’s called homewrecking.

Jacob Lee
Jacob Lee

I feel like this is a shitpost, but you are right. Fate got popular because it was an in depth and oftentimes I trospective study on the ideals of heroism and how they conflict with happiness. The servants and power levels were largely just a backdrop to enable Shirou's story to be told.

The shift to focus on servant pandering with waifus like EXTELLA and F/A is truly a low point of the franchise.

Jayden Jackson
Jayden Jackson

Zero at least stuck to the central theme of heroism and how pursuing it to the extreme is inhumane. Apocrypha is pure pander.

Isaiah Perez
Isaiah Perez

a dumb chuuni womanchild

Matthew Brown
Matthew Brown

Only after other writers got hold of it. The original British 'Historia Regum Britanniae' was just 12 volumes of Britain taking names. Mordred wasn't even Arthur's son, he was his Nephew. It was the fucking French whp got hold of the Legend and introduced shit like Arthur getting cucked by Lancelot and Mordred now being Arthur's son.

The myth went from BRITAIN FUCK YEAR to Britain's greatest King cant stop other people fucking his Queen. Bunch of jellymad frogs.

Caleb Edwards
Caleb Edwards

It's as if the author realized how intimate he made Sieg and Astolfo originally and is replacing it with Jeanne since the relationship was pretty underdeveloped for the end game. Jeanne spent an inordinate amount of time being jealous of their closeness.

Isaac Johnson
Isaac Johnson

Friendly reminder that the meme
SABER WAS A SHIT KING AND A BAD RULER AND EVERYONE HATED HER
is perpetuated by retards and EOPs with no understanding of the story. Every single knight you see throughout the series constantly say they look up to Saber and would die for her at a moments notice. Lancelot, arguably the knight which caused her the most grief in the stories, gets Btfo by the other knights in FGO and admits deep down he still loves her. Mordred also realizes she was just being a little bitch.

Juan Foster
Juan Foster

The shift to focus on servant pandering with waifus like EXTELLA and F/A is truly a low point of the franchise

It's weird someone would wait until Apoc and Extella to throw the pandering term out there. Hollow Ataraxia and Prisma Ilya did more damage than Extella and Apoc ever could. One was a slice of life VN sequel that was nothing but pandering. And the other just used the series name to have cute little girls kissing each other.

Pandering in Fate is old hate at this point.

Justin Peterson
Justin Peterson

So I'm a cute grill? Cool.

Aiden Perry
Aiden Perry

The focus of FHA is not on servant pandering no matter how hard you try to retroactively meme it into existence. And I chose EXTELLA because the Extra verse literally has the player character a selfinsert so by default the emphasis is purely on the servants. EXTELLA just happened to be when the entire thing fell apart with bad writing that it comes across as a fanfiction.

But yes I agree Prisma is also trash, at least until Shirou gets screen time again.

Angel Allen
Angel Allen

Mordred is cute.

Jayden Long
Jayden Long

HA
did damage

Shit taste

Angel Lopez
Angel Lopez

Cats a best

Brody Long
Brody Long

What are you talking about? Jack the Ripper alone proves that wrong. There's the loli assassin in Apocrypha and the literal collective entity of murder Berserker from Strange Fake

Camden Powell
Camden Powell

Because they're not the same servant. Since Jack's identity was never revealed, the Strange Fake Jack has no identity. It's an idea summoned as a servant, not a character, while loli Jack is the real Jack. What Jack really was. The Berserker Jack is what people thought he was.

James Ortiz
James Ortiz

Extra verse literally has the player character a selfinsert

Only GO has a blank selfinsert.

Extra's MC has a defined personality what with the ridiculous amounts of internal monologues .

Thomas Wood
Thomas Wood

Lancelot, arguably the knight which caused her the most grief in the stories, gets Btfo by the other knights in FGO and admits deep down he still loves her.

didn't we alredy know that from F/0, where Lancelot's source of madness was that he held himself responsible for the Battle of Camlann and wished to be punished by Saber.

Landon Murphy
Landon Murphy

The focus of FHA is not on servant pandering

Shoto Gil's football hijinks?
Fishing time with Lancer?
Cute little house wife Caster?
Almost every moment with the servants was spent in fan service. Well, may not Archer, who spent the entire game shooting at you from a sky scraper.

Medusa was the only the servant in Ataraxia who wasn't waifu'd and was given some actual meaningful development with all those flashbacks of her sisters.

Everyone else just had slice of life comedy moments. It wasn't a bad thing, it was entertaining. But it was mostly made up of pool scenes, cooking scenes and little romantic "what ifs" between the human girls.

Jacob Sanchez
Jacob Sanchez

Even the individual genders of Hakuno/Hakunon have distinct personalities with FemHakuno being way more cocky and aloof than MaleHakuno.

Nathan Johnson
Nathan Johnson

Mordred

Takeuchi made her a long time before this so she was fucked from the start.

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

HA
it fleshes out, otherwise shit characters from the original VN like Medusa and Caster.
plus the new characters are pretty neat too.

Prisma

at least it doesn't take itself too seriously. it's a magical girls show in the T-M setting, with some very cool fights.
true it has some loli fanservice, but only the anime goes obscenely overboard with it.

Christian White
Christian White

Hollow Ataraxia
Spotted the brainlet. It's a better executed story than FSN.

Julian Nelson
Julian Nelson

at least it doesn't take itself too seriously.

Well it DIDN'T, not until 3rei. 3rei went full OW THE EDGE even before the year of the ShiroBoat. The only good thing from 3rei was Erika.

Christopher Thompson
Christopher Thompson

Flashback arc of 3rei is a better version of HF so no.

Cooper Roberts
Cooper Roberts

It's just a result of people misunderstand the Banquet of Kings and Berserker's role in Zero. It was stated quite clearly that she did a good job leading people. When Rider and Gil shit on Saber, it's not because she did a bad job leading, it's because her attitude and lifestyle didn't sit well with them. Berserker didn't hate her because she was a shit king, in fact, he hated himself because of what he did.

People somehow manage to misunderstand something stated quite clearly and end up thinking Saber was a shit king.

Aiden Thompson
Aiden Thompson

I agree with the notion that Butcher fucked up Saber's character in Zero.

but letting people die, because you have a war to fight, isn't really comparable to the autistic shit Kiritsugu pulls.

like killing a cripple because there's a 0.01% chance that he's going to get a new set of Command Spells and continue a fight, even though he's completely broken mentally and physically as well.

Landon Allen
Landon Allen

If she wasnt a whit king why the fuck did everyone die then huh? Shes a shit dad/mom and also a shit king/queen on par with the god emperor in the horus heresy, and the catch is she doesnt even need to change anything britain turns out fucking fine. It goes on to create a glohal empire and bring about the birth of america like really.

Jonathan Wright
Jonathan Wright

THose scenes are part of the overarching thematic point and important to the main story. Ending would not have half the impact it does if not for them.

Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

Flashback arc of 3rei is a better version of HF so no.

Mason Evans
Mason Evans

Dumb phone poster.

Elijah Brooks
Elijah Brooks

The flashback arc in prillya basically takes what works in HF and removes all the awful contrived nonsense and cooking scenes. It portrays Shirou who went through similar things to HF Shirou but still remains interesting and understandable. It portrays Sakura and Shirou actually having a bond beyond sex and Sakura having actual inner conflict. And the reason why Shirou sheds away his ideals is far less rushed and far more grounded than what happens in HF because the narrative actually focuses on that bond - you see his conflict grow, you see him warm up to having a sister, you see his conflict with what Kiritsugu represents, you see him slowly lose everything he has till only one thing remains, etc. AND there's no magical fix-it-all at the end of an arc.

Connor Martinez
Connor Martinez

Just waifus in general, not specifically on porn

Xavier Jenkins
Xavier Jenkins

So hot

Isaac Powell
Isaac Powell

She's mine besides she prefers old men more

Mason Myers
Mason Myers

What about blonde girls?

Brandon Kelly
Brandon Kelly

1/3 of the members there wanted Arthur dead.
Initially. Then, they literally all get converted to seibafags. See: Aggravain

Jack Wilson
Jack Wilson

She only finds out she doesn't mind in the fate route!

Jaxon Baker
Jaxon Baker

and cooking scenes

meme

It portrays Sakura and Shirou actually having a bond beyond sex

it's not as if Sakura's been an important person to Shirou for years before even the HGW

And the reason why Shirou sheds away his ideals is far less rushed and far more grounded than what happens in HF

it takes like 2/3 of the route, til Shirou abandons his ideal for good (killing Sakura himself towards the end)

Chase Perry
Chase Perry

this fate is fucking garbage

Angel Roberts
Angel Roberts

Another reason why Fate is best

Thomas Clark
Thomas Clark

Could Stay Night Cu beat Stay Night Gil if he hadn't been nerfed by his Command Seal?

David Rivera
David Rivera

No

Chase Wilson
Chase Wilson

Nope. While he could theoretically deflect projectiles from GoB with Protection From Arrows, it doesn't defend against AoE's or super-long range attacks. He's also very susceptible to Enkidu, since he has high Divinity.

Carson Rogers
Carson Rogers

Forgetting Lancer's backstory
Forgetting that Medea wasn't Shirou's waifu but Kuzuki's
Forgetting Gil's scenes were mostly plot relevant.

Jace Ortiz
Jace Ortiz

Episode 6 did have some egregiously out of character moments, at the very least.

Jack Long
Jack Long

No manly fist fight with Kirei
Not as good as HF/10

Kevin Taylor
Kevin Taylor

Shinji trolling people on the Internet is perfectly in character

Christian Russell
Christian Russell

Will she ever be relevant again?

Thomas Nguyen
Thomas Nguyen

Fate route rewrite, if it ever happens ;_;

Luke Gomez
Luke Gomez

Sakura having actual inner conflict
She's literally the character with the most internal conflict other than Shirou. It's obvious that you're just meming without even having read HF.

Evan White
Evan White

Sakura punching people kind of isn't, though.

Aaron Carter
Aaron Carter

Servants
People

Xavier Nguyen
Xavier Nguyen

This is the future you chose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUJMYZ142ps

Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

You say that like the Wacky Races episode of Carnival Phantasm isn't the greatest work of Type-Moon's entirety.

Matthew Miller
Matthew Miller

Is this a Podracing reference?

Leo Perry
Leo Perry

Welcome to Fate. You think all of it is as great as Zero, but it isn't. Anything past Zero is just bottom of the barrel waifu pandering trash, apart from Strange Fake, so go read that.

Oliver Russell
Oliver Russell

Why the fuck does Nero have such gigantic tits? Actually, what's wrong with her proportions in general? She seems much taller/older than she should.

Ian Diaz
Ian Diaz

Strange Fake and Zero being better than the original VN because "muh waifu pandering"

get the fuck out secondary trash

Daniel Myers
Daniel Myers

The only thing that actually mattered in F/SN was Shirou's internal struggle.

Of all the characters only 3 had any real depth or relevance and they were Shirou, Archer, and Kirei. It was the struggle between these three characters and the ideas of Realism, Idealism, and Escapism that drove the entire story's message.

If you didn't get this when reading HF, which was fucking ham fisted about it, you're a retard.

Henry Bell
Henry Bell

Sound more like a fujo to me

Gabriel Cox
Gabriel Cox

Exactly this user gets it. HF is a deconstruction of UBW

Jacob Butler
Jacob Butler

To go even farther there is literally an hour long section where Kirei explains the concept of the Anti-hero. If a character literally explaining to you the message of the story, for over an hour, isn't enough I don't fucking know what is.

Aaron Fisher
Aaron Fisher

We chose well

Josiah Rodriguez
Josiah Rodriguez

Secondary pointing over fateshit
lmao

Jordan Lee
Jordan Lee

This is one of the few times she's not being drawn by Wada.

Aiden Anderson
Aiden Anderson

The opening shot is basically identical to the Boonta Eve stands from Episode 1

Adrian Green
Adrian Green

Hey there, I'm this guy please check the wiki to see any of my potential weaknesses, nice to meet you!
Funny but true

Gavin King
Gavin King

Nailed it.

The best part was always the mystery and intrigue around each character. Now it's pandering garbage for whales.

Easton Nguyen
Easton Nguyen

Now if only we had that event in the NA server.

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

Please keep your asinine shitposting in the /vg/ general where it belongs.

Lincoln Lee
Lincoln Lee

Don't forget
One reality where he actually faces off against him and it ends in a tie because he runs out of mana

Jack Moore
Jack Moore

Kerry objected to it multiple times, but "Muh wish for world peace" trumped his love for Irisviel, and she supported that. Saber seemed to act like she didn't know Irisviel was the grail host

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

Depends, Saber wasn't possessing a random French girl. There's still the potential for sloppy seconds love story with her

John Cruz
John Cruz

It states in the VN that Artoria often chose to conduct scorched earth tactics on one village to remove resources from enemy armies to save a dozen more. This made her look like a bad guy to her fellow knights who wanted to save ALL villages

Owen Phillips
Owen Phillips

What I wouldnt give to be as cute as Gudako

Logan Bell
Logan Bell

I feel like F/A tried too hard to be fate/zero, with the focus spread among many characters and new outlook on the grail war. Obviously they completely missed the ideology clashing that made F/Z good in the first place. It's literally just 30 characters who no one cares about trying to kill eachother

Jayden Brooks
Jayden Brooks

I feel like even if it fell flat, it'd be better if it DID focus more on the characters no one cares about trying to kill each other, rather than the bland homunculus

Joshua Mitchell
Joshua Mitchell

F/GO meets Redline

Yes fucking please.

Caster Nito is fucking cute

Landon Clark
Landon Clark

Fuck you, Astolfo is good.

John Jackson
John Jackson

That one time Chuchu Train gets summoned and is actually good enough to take out not one, but two servants, one by himself
Ironically doesnt have his Gay Bulge for that summons
Complains the whole time about being weaker without it.

Why is Chuchu Train retarded?

Noah Harris
Noah Harris

Carnival Phantasm
plot holes
Do you not know what fun is? Also who in their right mind ever took Fate seriously and wasn't autistic?

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

medusa was always supposed to be hot as fuck

dummy not knowing greek mythos

Ethan Evans
Ethan Evans

Pre-Cursed Medusa was supposed to be hot as fuck. Gorgon Medusa not so much

Justin King
Justin King

implying you wouldn't fuck this

Nathan Myers
Nathan Myers

I'm not a Scalie, so no

Dominic Harris
Dominic Harris

That's the joke user. That something like CP makes more sense despite being a fun silly hijinks comedy thingy than a dreck like Apocrypha.

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

It's a Zero secondary whining about MUH MATURE FATE
Every single time

Colton Wood
Colton Wood

This. It was a fandisk with a plot in the background, like Kagetsu Tohya before it.

Aaron Richardson
Aaron Richardson

He's not wrong. This was the moment Type-Moon realized instead of trying they could just churn out lazy Fate shit and it would print money. Now Nasu doesn't do anything despite F/GO being the most profitable game IP and developer in Japan. Their musou was even cheaper and shittier than your average no-effort musou but it sold better than them thanks to UMU UMU UMU

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

You guys do realize that Zero was co-written by Nasu and Urobuchi right? Nasu didn't give Urobuchi the reigns of the story. He co-wrote it, so Saber's role and characterization in Zero falls in line with how Nasu intended it to.

The only thing Nasu shot down from Urobuchi was Kariya's original death scene, which Nasu thought was so over the top and cruel that he forced Butcher to change it. It's unknown how Butcher originally wrote the scene, but it was enough to piss off Nasu and make him ask "WHAT COLOR IS YOUR BLOOD?!"

Adam Campbell
Adam Campbell

Kariya's original death scene
Now I really wanna know about that.

Maybe he fuck aoi or even sakura before drop dead?

Lincoln Moore
Lincoln Moore

at least it doesn't take itself too seriously

It didn't. Now it does, except Hiroyama can't write original content for shit so he's just doing his DonutSteel version of HF, minus the whole "suspense" part because he just gives everyone magic beam superpowers that completely kill any "how will they get out of this" interest.

By shooting beams and giving trite meaningless friendship speeches, that's how. It's funny/sad that what started as a Nanoha parody became exactly the thing it was riffing on.

Joseph Garcia
Joseph Garcia

Too over the top and cruel

Shoulda kept it in then. Wouldve been better than, "Saber kills Lancelot, this causes Kariya to stroke out from the sudden cutting off from his Servant by the mana worms in his body"

Elijah Roberts
Elijah Roberts

That doesn't preclude Saber's character getting fucked up

Aiden Turner
Aiden Turner

It portrays Shirou who went through similar things to HF Shirou but still remains interesting and understandable

It portrays a copypaste of Shirou with amped up superpowers for fanservice and fast-tracks the excruciating moral dilemma part, thus robbing it of all punch. It's the Michael Bay version of his character.

AND there's no magical fix-it-all at the end of an arc.

Holy shit, you're delusional. That's because the arc hasn't ended. This is going to end just like every other arc has ended: either with Illya shooting a beam REALLY HARD with her awesome innate magic powers that trivialize everything and have none of the grit of Shirou staggering to a victory while bleeding out his ass, or with a cliffhanger so Hiroyama can postpone actually delivering on something like he's been doing for years.

Brayden Nguyen
Brayden Nguyen

it's going to end like this because I say so!
Not him but you are pathetic. And even the typical Prisma ending would be less of an asspull than HF True.

Landon Perez
Landon Perez

Inability to make a proper sentence
Inability to make a valid point
made a thread just to get validated for his poorly-informed opinion.

You take anime too seriously, unlike your studies. get off the internet and study up for the coming school year, kid. Once you've graduated high school, you'll be of legal age to use the site, and might have actually learned how English works.

Go, now. Go before you make your parents cry again.

Kayden Lopez
Kayden Lopez

Just remember, according to Archimedes, none of this matters. Its all pointless drivel in the grand scheme of the seemingly countless parallel timelines that eventually die off anyways because theyve diverged too far from the original.

All hail Velber

Grayson Price
Grayson Price

He co-wrote it

He was part of the planning, not the entire script. Stop trying to whitenight Urobuchi's fuckups.

FSN starts with Saber casually vivisecting Archer for no other reason than because he was a servant and within range, and then proceeding to try and kill Rin because she was a Master. She has lines that she won't cross like attacking civilians, and she feels she has to return Kojirou's gesture of revealing his name, but a huge part of her characterization is that she knew damn well how to be utilitarian.

The Banquet of Kings is probably the biggest pile of nonsense because it's all turned into a stage for someone who has nothing to do with the other two, and basically ends the discussion by shouting really hard.

Isaac Roberts
Isaac Roberts

I like Siegfried and Mordred in Apocrypha. However, I do not yet understand the charm of Sieg.

Owen Parker
Owen Parker

It's going to end like that because that's how everything Hiroyama has written has ended. I'm not sure what makes you believe he can write literally anything of worth when trying to be serious, he has never done so. Go ask /fgog/ what happened when he tried to do something besides rehashing something Nasu had already done.

Robert Miller
Robert Miller

Whoever is in charge of explosion sounds should be fired.

Carter Evans
Carter Evans

This whole fucking thread is secondaries and prudes who are terrified of sex. Fate/Zero really was a fucking mistake.

Henry Smith
Henry Smith

Third Magic is materialization of the soul
that's the actual "prize" of the HGW
Zouken needs Illya to perform the ceremony
Illya has the strongest bond with Shirou in this route
"hurr muh asspull"

could the UBWfags leave pls?

Xavier Powell
Xavier Powell

Re:ddit spacing
Blog posting
Dissing Carnival Phantasm with nonsense
That English
Why is this allowed?

Caleb Clark
Caleb Clark

HFfags getting triggered because their 40 hour route was outdone by 10 chapters of a mahou shoujo manga HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Kevin Barnes
Kevin Barnes

Quality post

Carson Roberts
Carson Roberts

Because, he really is fucking weaker without it. It's just that some of that protagonist Luck rubbed off on him. Taking it objectively, he's a better Lancer than a Caster, but in F/SN, he was just dealt dogshit after dogshit. First, his good master was killed and replaced by a worse one, second, he got a Command Seal that made him hold back immensely, and third, almost every single fucking Servant had some kind of method of not getting killed by Gae Bolg.

Saber had immense luck
Archer had his BS
Rider is shit 90% of the time and doesn't matter
Caster is holed up in the fucking temple, protected by
Assassin, who's more autistic than Shirou at using swords, and in a place where he can't fucking activate Gae Bolg
Berserker is obvious.
And Gilgamesh, see above

Oliver Brooks
Oliver Brooks

What point did Apocrypha split from the original timeline, cause unless stealing the grail changed the rules or they all be dead, shouldn't there be one person representing one of the three mage families that are always selected in the grail wars.

Julian Campbell
Julian Campbell

three mage families

lol this is not even fuyuki anymore nothing make sense here.

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

I mean, I do agree in part.
It bugged the FUCK out of me that fucking ACHILLES, one of the heroes in mythology with one of the most well-known weaknesses would just go and say "HEY I'M ACHILLES"

Daniel Hernandez
Daniel Hernandez

Caster Chuchu Train beat Archer by himself in First Order. Granted, Archer didnt use UBW, but still

Lincoln Jenkins
Lincoln Jenkins

Not even that, wouldn't the Grail still be corrupted by Angry Manjew?

Christopher Scott
Christopher Scott

wait so the three mage family thing is only relevant if the grail is summon in one specific location?

David Powell
David Powell

Did you skip the infodump from episode 1? The Greater Grail was stolen from Fuyuki by Yggdmillennia. The three families are shit out of luck in this timeline.

And the main split of the timeline is Einzberns summoned Ruler Amakusa Shirou instead of Avenger Angra Mainyu during the 3rd War.

Xavier Gray
Xavier Gray

So? He beat Archer in UBW as well.

James Watson
James Watson

Can Prisma fags just admit that you're kids who just go crazy for flashy bullshit? Time and again when asked to explain what is supposedly so great about Prisma, it boils down to "This one can project DIVINE CONSTRCUTS ZOMG" or other some parameter-based nonsense.

Hiroyama basically just amped everyone's power so they can "show off" more (at the expense of the whole "Underdog having to bleed for every accomplishment" appeal) and called it a day before doing a search-and-replace of HF with the names switched out and everything rushed. That is literally all he did, and the only recurring argument for why this is good is the "It's flashier."

And this is all skipping the fact that he has literally never concluded an Arc since Zwei started. Never. It's always a cliffhanger leading into something else so he never has to deliver. He just keeps stalling by bringing out ANOTHER DIMENSION, SAKURA LANCELOT, A MOONCELL-LOOKING CUBE and so on. He has never actually concluded a story, so any faith that he can do it even remotely well comes from thin air. I mean, he did co-write one story that had a conclusion, but you really don't want to bring that one up to defend it.

Alexander Bailey
Alexander Bailey

Angry Manjew was never summoned in this timeline.

Jose Parker
Jose Parker

To be fair, they only do that in the anime. In the manga, Achilles and Siegfired make it an extreme point to hide their identity. Chiron knows its Achilles because he was his fucking teacher in life

William Gray
William Gray

Oh okay.

Carson Hall
Carson Hall

Not really. Archer basically gives him the sympathy win so he can chase after Shriou in the church

Logan Martinez
Logan Martinez

Actually, the way I see, that's how the Illya route for FSN was going to be like if Nasu had the time.

John Wood
John Wood

admit might of glossed over the first episode a little, probably should re watch it.
Although the act of being chosen as a monster seems a tad bit confusing since times it seems like it is completely random, others it seems like you can plan out who will participate in advance

Julian Garcia
Julian Garcia

Dude, Archer was on the defensive the entire time, and he got out of it with a mangled arm, while Cu was fresh as a daisy. There's no way you can just say that Archer gave him a sympathy win. It's not that he didn't use UBW, it's that he couldn't use it, being under the immense pressure that Lancer was throwing at him.

I'm an Archerfag as well, but what you're saying is just kinda stupid.

Leo Wright
Leo Wright

a mangled arm
And no mana left, forgot to mention that.

Parker Wright
Parker Wright

Also I really really hate how this show make a single life of homunculus so important which disregard anything fate series had established.
Yeah, just like how they make a single life of a human so important in F/SN. Oh wait.

Hunter Sanders
Hunter Sanders

I dont get it, why Sup Forums is hating this show? is it a new meme?

Hudson Evans
Hudson Evans

Not really new. From what I can tell, some people who like Zero thought that a lack of Shirou would mean that the show would focus on being a battle royale with Servants, but it pretty much ended up being like F/SN without the depth and like twice the cast.

Parker Davis
Parker Davis

Loli Jack isn't the real Jack, she's one of the 'possible' Jacks - someone whose MO fit the original killer, but might not be the one responsible for the famous killings. There's a different 'possible' Jack for every Class.

Ethan Cruz
Ethan Cruz

historical characters and their masters fighting for some prize

I dont see anything deep on that. Isnt it just a battle royale? only watched the first 2 episodes and sent to backlog

Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker

Maybe you shouldn't try to talk about stuff you haven't actually watched, retard

Angel Perry
Angel Perry

only watched the first 2 episodes
Then you know nothing yet my dude.

The annoying bunch come after that.

Jason Scott
Jason Scott

Basically, the whole setting you described is the backdrop for Shirou's development, and it particularly focuses on the idea of being a hero, and the consequences of that, with each route of the VN taking a different stance on it. The whole war is secondary to that, from a narrative perspective.

John Parker
John Parker

The particularities of who is selected to be a Master has always been pretty vague. It always seems to come down to the Grail first picking anyone who knowingly wants to be a Master, and then, if numbers aren't filled out, it'll randomly pick anyone who would have a reason to participate.

Asher Lee
Asher Lee

this post
Did you even F/Z?

Leo Rogers
Leo Rogers

Vive la France!

Jose Wright
Jose Wright

Well, may not Archer, who spent the entire game shooting at you from a sky scraper.

Dominic Wood
Dominic Wood

Shirou Kotoni controls 6 Servants and transformed 6 masters into zombies.

Jason Diaz
Jason Diaz

Yes. And they werent cruel enough to Kariya. He required more bullying.

Thomas Williams
Thomas Williams

Lancelot didn't lose causing Kariya to die; Kariya ran out of mana which led to Lancelot losing

Caleb Walker
Caleb Walker

I'm not going to lie, i like Prisma because it gave me some Bazett spotlight

Carson Butler
Carson Butler

We picked the right path.

Christopher Gray
Christopher Gray

Shit parent =/= shit king.

She told Mordred to fuck off because she was too perfect of a King - she didn't allow herself to show any weakness.

Caleb Baker
Caleb Baker

Cu and Medea also had flashbacks of their lives

Angel Peterson
Angel Peterson

everything with lancer was gold

Joshua Turner
Joshua Turner

She's a shit parent and king because of that civil war.

Wyatt Ramirez
Wyatt Ramirez

This is basically correct

However I think it's simpler, Fate got popular because the grail war concept was chuuni as fuck but still cool.

But the more meme servants we get that aren't anything like history or legend, we lose that unique chuuni cool factor and instead it's just generic anime chuuni trappings

Austin Jackson
Austin Jackson

He still stroked out because of the sudden loss of mana from the crest worms, which wasnt nearly that cruel of a death as he couldve gotten. If anything, his afterdeath was more cruel

Evan Wilson
Evan Wilson

What you have to love about Coocoocachoo is how he never gives a fuck about literally anything.

Hunter Gonzalez
Hunter Gonzalez

To be honest, its just a small group of dedicated webshit shitposters from MAL and reddit which are progressively destroying and shitting on each Apocrypha thread with the same memes, shitposts and copypastas from MAL and reddit posts, and old threads every day.
Just ignore them and move on.

Parker Bailey
Parker Bailey

Waiting for the voice patch is torture.

Henry Hernandez
Henry Hernandez

Around Episode 8 this is gonna turn into The Adventures of Sieg the Dragon Sue.

If you continue watching after this you are automatically part of ISIS.

Thomas Stewart
Thomas Stewart

But Apro is really bad so far, and for the people who finished the LN. You can't just ignores those arguments.

Gabriel Sanchez
Gabriel Sanchez

Siegdrones can't ignore the truth
That's literally the hallmark of a Siegdrone. That and being underage.

Asher Long
Asher Long

i can´t wait for this anime turn trash
i fucking keked with the off charisma with sieg
jeanne pussy idiot and the trap stupid
KEK

Angel Campbell
Angel Campbell

How is anything kiritsugu does not "during wartime"? he's a damn assassin

Jonathan Flores
Jonathan Flores

Roman died for this

Oliver Brooks
Oliver Brooks

Dying in FGO don't mean nothing.

His servant form limited 5* is imminent.

Elijah Cooper
Elijah Cooper

and for the people who finished the LN.
What? What?
I would like to remind you that only volumes 1, 2 and more recently 4 were done, but 3 has been unfinished for years and no one has touched 5.

You can't just ignores those arguments.

Siegdrone
anyone who disagree with me is siegfag
Nobody’s talking about Sieg

I have warned them that they always use such predictable trajectories and tend to post the same shit.

Aiden Edwards
Aiden Edwards

I've been curious for a while, but if everyone in Apocrypha teamed up against everyone in Strange Fake, which side would win and why?

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

Strange Fake, easily.

Zachary Garcia
Zachary Garcia

Saber
Mordred and Siegfried > Richard
Archer
Gil and Avenger Herc >>>> Atalanta and Chiron
Lancer
Enkidu and Watcher >? Karna and Vlad
Rider
Pale Rider and Hippolyta ? Achilles and Astolfo
Assassin
Zealot and Hassan >? Semi and Jack
Caster
Dumas and Prelati > Shakespeare and Avicebron
Berserker
Jack and Edison > Spartacus and Fran
Other
Ishtar ? Amakusa and Jeanne

Alexander Nelson
Alexander Nelson

Yeah after what Nasu did with cuckiara , I know that fucker has zero integrity

Nicholas Ross
Nicholas Ross

Flat is better shota with better Jack the Ripper.

John Lewis
John Lewis

Gudako animated when?

Elijah Watson
Elijah Watson

If FGO ever gets a full adaptation there will be Riyo shorts on the bluray.

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

Flat's not a shota, he looks like a bishounen to me and his age is around 20 or something.

Henry Foster
Henry Foster

why would that non-canon appear?

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

Jeanne and Shirou can pretty much force the Strange Fake Servants to commit suicide with a command seal that's how the Einzbeth won the 3rd war in Apocrypha's timeline

Isaac Murphy
Isaac Murphy

Their command seals are specific to the Servants summoned in their war. It would have no effect on the ones in another war. At best, it could be used to strengthen their side.

And Shirou doesn't have Ruler command seals anymore.

Chase Martin
Chase Martin

Shirou your coat fucking sucks

William Morales
William Morales

Gudako animated when?

Easton Carter
Easton Carter

Seibah dresses like a pious Christian girl
Mordred is whore

Jack Hughes
Jack Hughes

Why is she such a qt?

Juan Evans
Juan Evans

Please user, Einzbeth is a genius, Jeanne is extremely weak and stupid, and Shirou is autistic lunatic with an obsessive stupid desire for control and conversion like McGillis Fareed from IBO.

Jacob Perry
Jacob Perry

/u/
nobody wants another generic and repetive Yurishit show. Yuri don't sell.

Colton Morales
Colton Morales

Too bad she has such a shit Master.

Landon Perez
Landon Perez

dumb salestard

Robert Baker
Robert Baker

Saber dresses like a grandma

Sebastian Cook
Sebastian Cook

You forgot to add "XD" at the end of your rant. It loses all credibility without it.

Aiden Anderson
Aiden Anderson

girls are much better when they're slutting themselves in jean-bikinis with fat folds spilling out
Americans...

Oliver Phillips
Oliver Phillips

Exactly, you get me.

Jeremiah Miller
Jeremiah Miller

Jeanne is supposed to be a fucking saint
slutting herself for dragon-coq 15 minutes after meeting Sieg
This entire plot was pretty obviously written by someone who's never interacted with females outside school/work and couldn't think of them in any way besides sex toys.

I feel like I'm watching Princess Robot Bubblegum.

Jaxson Nguyen
Jaxson Nguyen

What are you talking about? Saber's character in Zero is fine.

Brody Phillips
Brody Phillips

Read the thread

Chase Lee
Chase Lee

I understand your pain, I'm still sad to what they did to Attila

Zachary Campbell
Zachary Campbell

Kariya's original death scene

So him dying while Sakura is metaphorically pissing on his dead body wasn't enough? Ah, Butcher.

Parker Reed
Parker Reed

sieg
has none
that being said i do like mordred but they havent put her in an episode in a while

Josiah Cox
Josiah Cox

She's already appeared in her mobage game where you can fuck her in the ass and she will like it.

Angel Foster
Angel Foster

Mordred
shes just a dumb chuuni womanchild for fanservice and fap material

Christian Martinez
Christian Martinez

knights were a bunch of manbabies who didn't realize she was cold because she loved em, and her kingdom
nephew keeps feeding you vegetarian meals made up of only vinegar, potatoes and other veggies
best knight just had to kill your secretary and heir
son is a rebellious autist
sister is an evil incestuous whore
Saber lived a hard life

Brody Long
Brody Long

This entire plot was pretty obviously written by someone who's never interacted with females outside school/work and couldn't think of them in any way besides sex toys

This this this this THIS so much this.

Fucking no life hikkineet should just go write his own shitty fantasy harem LN instead.

inb4 fate is already that

Hell no. Call fate/stay night bad all you want but it's at least not Sword art Online level bad.

Blake Turner
Blake Turner

Fate/Zero was a mistake because it was actually good, and now secondaries expect that the whole franchise to be as good as zero, but the thing is that Fate is just a franchise based in a bad writted eroge about a teenager getting the genderbender of a historical heroe of the past and he get the chance to fuck her and protect her with his magic swords folded 1000 times in his mind like a japanese katana.

Zero was a one hit wonder, before zero TM was dying and focusing in the movies of KnK and everyone started to forget about fate after the DEEN anime and the fiasco of ataraxia, nasus is a bad writer just like ryukishi07, he got lucky that his franchise didn't end up dying, after all urobochi was the savior of fate an.

Hunter Perez
Hunter Perez

This was actually kinda nice.

Needed more Archer.

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

Shirou's harem

Luis Thompson
Luis Thompson

Wasn't the whole point of Jeanne was that she is also a farm girl who picked up a flag? At least that's what i get from GO france chapter.

Also what's with all the hate?

David Wood
David Wood

inb4 triggered fatefags

Nathaniel Adams
Nathaniel Adams

The sad thing is that Fate/Zero is actually good but discussing it on Sup Forums is impossible now because of how retarded zerofags generally are. The LN is good but the average zerofag misses half of what makes it good and all they do is shitpost "muh mature story" and try to bait other fatefags.

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

What a guy

Eli Nelson
Eli Nelson

*Archer's

Anthony Green
Anthony Green

Jeanne's design is the same as for all other Kawaii moe school girls

Evan Fisher
Evan Fisher

That is not new, F/SN is a genric battle harem

Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

How do i read that?

Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

Fate/Zero
it was actually good

Zero was spouting the same cynical Butcher bullshit that is passed as deconstruction over and over..

Characters who didn't personally subscribe to Butcher's brand of cynicism where shat on and being punished in really gruesome ways for trying to save others, whether it was for self-sacrificial or selfish reasons. It was same old recycled darker and edgier Butcher shit.

Elijah Nguyen
Elijah Nguyen

It is still leagues better than F/SN and ataraxia or anything that TM have ever produced. I still find incredible that there's people that actually readed/played tsukihime

Jackson Wright
Jackson Wright

Actually Archer's shield wouldn't help him against the melee version

Fate/complete material II: Character Material - Characters: Lancer, p.070-073

Takeuchi: So, would Archer get hit?

Nasu: For sure. But since he knows about it, he wouldn’t approach Lancer in the first place. If it looked like Lancer was seriously getting ready to use Gae Bolg, Archer would already be frantically getting as far away as possible.

Takeuchi: Ah, I see. That sort of tactic is always an option, huh? So what about the thrown version?

Nasu: The “Spear of Striking Death Flight”. That one’s just pure, simple destructive power.

Takeuchi: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…

Nasu: …it would end up being the ability of Lancer’s father. The ultimate version of Fragarach.

Takeuchi: Eternal Force Blizzard! And the target dies. Around that level.

Nasu: Naturally. Because the battles in mythology are freaking hax, right
↑ 5.0 5.1

Christian Clark
Christian Clark

no it's not you secondary gtfo

Bentley Campbell
Bentley Campbell

FGO manga.

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

you can fuck her in the ass and she will like it
Isn't F/GO all public?

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

Every single aspect of this post is /v/

Jackson Morales
Jackson Morales

I enjoyed F/Z but comparing it to F/SN is like comparing apples and oranges.

The original was written more than ten years ago and has come a long way to become the huge monster of a franchise that it is today.

Charles Smith
Charles Smith

people keep wanking Archer up as being able to beat everyone with prep time, when Cu manhandles the cunt like an actual hero

Brandon Morales
Brandon Morales

a knight who was raised as a knight and wanted to be a knight isn't chivalrous and honorable
Fuck off.
Just because she's brainwashed to worship Shitrou's cock and suicidal doesn't mean she wouldn't act this way if she had self-estee.

Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia

Dengeki Hime 02/2006, Type-Moon Double Maniax - [Fate] Dream Battle - Archer vs Rider

Archer vs Rider
Editorial department (Prediction)
At long range his fire won't work against Bellerophon.
At medium range the bow is really handy, and Rider who's inferior in skill only has her Mystic Eyes.
But if Archer's bow starts to get petrified, he can activate Unlimited Blade Works.
In which case Rider will just use Bellerophon and destroy him instantly.
He can't shoot them down but Rho Aias can buy him time enough to pull out Harpe and maybe have a chance at victory.

Nasu-san CHECK!
You would think Archer would have the advantage, but Rider actually has the edge at long range? Just like that question, their compatibility is not very good. Since both aren't fixated on the methods of winning, they'd definitely both choose a low-risk and high-return type of warfare.
Even if Archer takes out a Saber-class holy sword, he doesn't have enough magical energy to draw on to maximize it, so it'd be hard to for him to attack Bellerophon. What determines victory or defeat is whether Aias on its own would be enough to block Bellerophon perhaps...?

Brandon Price
Brandon Price

Saber in FSN was a craven broken shell of herself. Did you forget she cowardly stabbed Lancelot for the Grail when he couldn't move She was broken by Zero experiences and became Grail obsessed.

The Banquet of Kings is probably the biggest pile of nonsense
Which was asked and planned by Nasu, he told Butcher to make Saber's character about "getting bullied" by Gilgamesh and Alexander. Butcher just wanted to write Kariya suffering and Waver.

Hunter Hall
Hunter Hall

This is always funny when it gets posted.

Brody Cruz
Brody Cruz

Saber basically wasn't fighting back against Lancelot when his identity was revealed. She only started to actually fight back when she figured she gotta change her whole past

Chase Sanders
Chase Sanders

"I'm retarded. Please, fuck my face" - user

John Martin
John Martin

She's the party bicycle. Anyone can ride her.

Chase Peterson
Chase Peterson

F/SN fags are the biggest cancer on Sup Forums right now.

John Gray
John Gray

Why is Nero such a slut

Parker Davis
Parker Davis

Dude calm down your reddit is showing.

Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

Who /lionheart/ here?

Adrian King
Adrian King

Takeuchi: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…

Didn't this ended up being Cuzilla's NP? (Although he's technically Medb's fanfic version of Cu so it might not be part of his skillset normally)

Tyler Ross
Tyler Ross

Richie is cool.

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

How do I know if I am lionheart

Landon Watson
Landon Watson

when we get our NP skip feature

Matthew Baker
Matthew Baker

Janu!

Easton Sullivan
Easton Sullivan

No, user. The radio said. You are the reddit.
And then user was reddit.

Eli Reyes
Eli Reyes

Superior Mordred.

Leo Sullivan
Leo Sullivan

Do Fatefags naturally shitpost about media they haven't consumed?

Ayden Harris
Ayden Harris

So let me get this straight - TM decided to make a war with twice as many servants as usual. They fill it with all the big-wig servants people have been dying to see since 2006. Then they reduce the already-scarce amount of screentime EVEN FURTHER by shoehorning in a self-insert Gary Stu for all the badly-characterized girls to lust after. I think the big question here is WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WERE THEY SMOKING?

Anthony Peterson
Anthony Peterson

Kerry-fag can't type. News at 11.

Wyatt Clark
Wyatt Clark

Your pubes, user.

Nathaniel Scott
Nathaniel Scott

This is the perfect moment for me to write my own self-insert - Higashide

Charles Russell
Charles Russell

So I don't get it
what is Rin doing to the Redman?

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

Who is worse, Higashide or Sakurai?

Christopher Wright
Christopher Wright

Apocrypha
Vs
Septem and Extella

As much as I hate Nerowank, Sieg is much much more offensive in many more levels. Nero at least was an enjoyable character once in the past in Extra in CCC and only recently has been ruined by Nerowank. Extella also had some enjoyable moments here and there too. There is barely anything redeemable in Apocrypha, and it ruins many many many more characters than Septem and Extella combined.

Logan Martin
Logan Martin

They think the King of Knights being chivalrous is out of character. They think the first wish Saber would've had after dying is was to undo literally everything, instead of trying to save her kingdom. Basically, SNfags can't accept Saber being more normal.

Jordan Allen
Jordan Allen

Capped for truth.

Andrew Cook
Andrew Cook

Depends on which Arthur and Mordred story they use. Since Arthur isn't female, they can make up whatever shit they want, but in several tales, including le Morte d'Arthur, Mordred was a better and more liked ruler than Arthur because Mordred kept years of peace and stability while Arthur fought many wars. War was the reason he wasn't there to prevent Mordred usurping the throne.

Xavier Ortiz
Xavier Ortiz

TM obviously doesn't give one solitary fuck about their western fanbase, but someone PLEASE tell me that the nips are complaining about this garbage as much as we are.

Juan Gray
Juan Gray

In the original version of Arthurian Legends, Mordred didn't even fucking exist and the story is all about Britain dicksucking. So we can't very well use that. As far as I know, the first time Mordred appears is when a French faggot wrote it, and that Mordred was a dick. So I'm going with that. And so is Nasu, apparently.

Jason Rivera
Jason Rivera

So is Nasu
Nasuverse Mordred is autistic, though

Daniel Perry
Daniel Perry

The nips fanbase that love SAO and other garbage high school fantasy harem would actually love this though.

James Price
James Price

Lancelot get off the fucking internet.

Jayden Allen
Jayden Allen

Is a cute young psychotic lesbian

My dreams have been achieved!

Leo Hughes
Leo Hughes

And so was the original Mordred. Incest is only wincest when there's love. There wasn't any love between Morgan and Arthur. The result was a retarded kid.

Josiah Barnes
Josiah Barnes

PLEASE
Why would the Japs hate a reskinned F/SN?

Wyatt Ward
Wyatt Ward

you realize the piece of shit of apo was done before zero existed right? you fucking ufo secondary
even more than fucking Carnival Phantasm
complaining about plotholes on a joke carnival
man you're retarded

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

The only worthwhile character according to 2chan

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

Contrary to popular belief, nips are people. Like me. Their reaction to something is usually pretty much the same as the western retards'.

Connor Bell
Connor Bell

Hello, Neizaru. Now go back to MAL.

Liam Long
Liam Long

Truly the El-Melon of our generation.

Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

you will never get hammered with Chaplin-Stache-san

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

Poor thing.

Jace Ward
Jace Ward

Gordes did absolutely nothing wrong.

Kayneth wishes he could be Gordes.
Gordes at least has a happy family waiting for him. He also came out a better person from this experience instead of, you know, a cripple, and dead, that's important.

Jacob Reed
Jacob Reed

Why does this ESL subhuman thread have 300 posts?

Lucas Price
Lucas Price

How about you read the thread and find out you literal retard?

Anthony Rodriguez
Anthony Rodriguez

Actually Nasu seems to be leaning pretty hard on le Morte d'Arthur, which encompasses the important and well accepted events of late Arthur's reign such as the love affair between Lancelot and Guinevere, the battle of Camlann where Arthur is fatally wounded and Mordred dies, and Sir Bedivere is tasked with returning Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake, etc. Arthurian legend has had some more modern tales added where Sir Bedivere was the one sleeping with Guinevere, and some other nonsense, so it seems Nasu is sticking with an established classic form.

Michael Garcia
Michael Garcia

Because a theme is an fate.
The fate is strong.

Isaac Bailey
Isaac Bailey

Because of other ESL subhumans and MAL pasta.

Aaron Gray
Aaron Gray

The only worthwhile character according to shitposter yourself said

please fix it

Jordan Perry
Jordan Perry

Both and Nasu being a retard for hire them

Asher Wright
Asher Wright

MAL pasta.

Fate threads are always full of them.

fate fanbase have already had most creative shitposters. Nowadays they're limited to repost the same shit posts and MAL copypastas on each thread.

David Phillips
David Phillips

He reeks of a "GUNS R KEWL!" Kerry-fag. Pay him no heed.

Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

I'm not a furry.

Aaron Parker
Aaron Parker

Kind of a weird thing to be annoyed by since we're supposed to be sympathizing with Mordred here, but the fact that Altria had Excalibur and Morgan actually disarmed her kind of ticks me off.

In the original Mordred charges and Altria just casually shanks her on the end of Rhon. The only reason Mordred lands her (eventually) fatal blow is because shitdestiny.

Jason Young
Jason Young

Edison is the furry, not Richard

Xavier Jones
Xavier Jones

Actually, wasn't it because Morgan le Fey took the scabbard, which protected Arthur from any harm?

Justin Hall
Justin Hall

being a sword faggot
kek

Lincoln Nguyen
Lincoln Nguyen

Fate Thread in their current incarnation:
ALTER SLUTS ARE TEH BESTNESSS xDxDXXXDdExDee
everyone who disagrees w me is a samefag and also French
EXDEE SIEG IZ TOTALLY NOT A GARY STU HE'S JUST LIKE ME WITH A WICKED SENSE OF HUMOR
can Archer with prep time beat up Lancer? Round 38547238947892347983274893274
IS IT GAY THAT I WANT TO SEXUALLY FUCK THIS BOY WHO HAS A DICK?

Jason Bell
Jason Bell

Both of them are lions.

Luis Ross
Luis Ross

Not choosing both
kek

Angel Hernandez
Angel Hernandez

Forgot the retarded amounts of hate Zero gets. Because "secondaries".

Dominic Morgan
Dominic Morgan

I'm fine with the show so far. The obsession with saving the homunculus is about the servants being heroes to the detriment of themselves. It's neat.

If the characterization is bad it's because there's nearly 30 fucking characters, yeah it's a bit of an issue but the problem lessens as the series progresses and we learn more about them.

James Hall
James Hall

This is my fav character

Jacob Walker
Jacob Walker

Ready to see all his important scenes get cut for Sieg's dragon-dick?

Robert Williams
Robert Williams

well she is literally a 12yo old in a womens body

Julian Myers
Julian Myers

user stop replying to this shitposter. The only thing he knows is to stir shit up and not actually look deeper into the facts just so he can get attentiion. Just like the fucking OP.

F/A is fucking terrible but you don't need to make a thread about it just for the sake of triggering fans. Goddamn he could have at least tried harder with his first post, its so obvious that he's an underage edgelard

Cooper James
Cooper James

Nasu really lost his marbles with all the pandering. He's a greedy jew who only wants to milk otaku out of their money:

Nasu: The Fate/Zero event will be fun, of course! Actually, during the planning phase a year ago, there was a character that we were writing as a surprise for players, and when I asked (Gen) Urobuchi to write a story with that character as protagonist, he gladly accepted it. But during the plotting stage, even though I said, “Write something with a happy ending for once,” first he asked me, “Can’t I have this character kill this other character and end it there?” and he gave me a plot that was even darker than Fate/Zero. [laughs] I said, “What kind of festival do you think we’re making here?! Gen, you should believe more in dreams, aspirations, and the bonds between people!” and had him revise the whole thing. Urobuchi also plays FGO, so the meeting was pretty simple. It went like, “Urobuchi, I want you to write a Fate/Zero collab event for FGO. Actually, just do it.” “Understood. I’ll burn through it with my 3 party. Though I did Kintarou [5] during the New Year.” There was absolutely no need to explain the system, so it was all just “I’ll leave it to you!”

Landon Bennett
Landon Bennett

OP quality hasn't mattered in forever.

Ian Peterson
Ian Peterson

and for the people who finished the LN as
Is this a bait?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
You can't finish a LN, that is not yet fully translated.

Ryder Gonzalez
Ryder Gonzalez

Tsukihime is the only good nasuverse and Prsim Ilya is the only good fate series.

Nicholas Gomez
Nicholas Gomez

Turkeyhandle has ONE redeeming quality

Easton Thomas
Easton Thomas

Priya is pretty shit tho

Christian Sanders
Christian Sanders

You forget that the whole point was that you could bang along arthur. Yeah, there was a story. But at the end of the day, Fate is a porn game, and the series always has been, and always will be waifufaggotry. I know Zero left some lasting impression on what the franchise should be, but you forget that Urobuchi was part of Zero. F/SN was just generic shonenshit with a concept that was fairly new. The franchise itself didn't really kick off until it got meme'd to death after DEEN and Zero. Fate was never that serious, so you complaining about pandering and the stupidity of characters is useless

Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

Fate is a porn game, and the series always has been

Not really. Takeuchi insisted on nasu inserting ecchi scenes into the VN late in the development. They're never meant to be.

Joseph Wood
Joseph Wood

Which scenes will that be, faggot? Tell me. Tell me right now.

Carter Bailey
Carter Bailey

urobuchi
fellow porn game author Gen Urobuchi, whose rise to fame was Kikokugai, Saya no Uta, Phantom of Inferno and Vjedogonia, all eroge

Jeremiah Gray
Jeremiah Gray

When would we get a Fate who is competent and whose Servant is not bullshit

Joshua Campbell
Joshua Campbell

*fate MC

Gabriel Jenkins
Gabriel Jenkins

It's actually really amusing to me how a doujinshi had this much damage on the overall series and a prequel at that. Never seen that happen before.

Another thing people miss is that Zero had pandering too, Urobuchi is a fujo, so he made everything gay, it's really blatant with Gil/Enkidu and Waver/Iskander. It's just a different kind of pandering.

I think both F/SN and Zero are great in different ways, it's not right to compare them since their goals are different. It's a matter of taste.

Not really. Takeuchi insisted on nasu inserting ecchi scenes into the VN late in the development. They're never meant to be.

That's bullshit. Fate always meant to have H-scenes. VNs without them sell very poorly, and back then T-M weren't big enough to pull it off. Now they have that luxury though.

Jackson Flores
Jackson Flores

Zero is a collab between Nitro+ and T-M though, its not a doujin. Prisma would qualify if it wasn't published by Kadokawa and therefore not self published

Colton Hughes
Colton Hughes

I wouldn't bother OP, Fate is fucking shit and Fatefags are the #1 absolute worst fanbase in anime. They are literally, objectively anti-intellectuals.

They take pride in the Fate series being nothing but porn and poorly written shounen schlock, and trying to wring anything worthwhile out of this otherwise interesting setting just gets slapped down with 'fucking secondary, Fate is SUPPOSED to suck', followed by retarded powerwanking and accusations of being gay

Isaac Martin
Isaac Martin

Gil/Enkidu
Dude, Gil and Enkidu were gay in the original myth

Daniel Young
Daniel Young

It was a self published effort and debuted at comiket. It's doujinshi. It's classified as such in doujin websites.

Kayden Gray
Kayden Gray

If Fate was always meant to have them, why is it that they now recognize Realta Nua as the main canon?

Adam Phillips
Adam Phillips

go back to naruro or DBZ threads

Austin Lewis
Austin Lewis

Shirou by the end game of each route

Alexander Martinez
Alexander Martinez

>>160797396

Never mind that, you're right. Even if T-M was a commercial company at the time of Zero, they're not a publisher so Zero is a doujin with no ISBN

Andrew Harris
Andrew Harris

I just want a route where chuchu gets summoned by a bro, and they go on comfy fishing adventures around the world completely disregarding the HGW. Eventually they win because the last remaining master/servant pair just gives up with the servant committing sudoku as they think this is the only way. This is followed by eternal comfy globetrotting fishing and beach adventures with master-bro and chuchu and Scathach

Easton Wright
Easton Wright

You honestly sound like a butthurt secondary.

Chase Robinson
Chase Robinson

It was a wholesome friendship until that whore Ishtar ruined everything.
But they really made it gayer in Fate and gave Enkidu a fujobait design.

Fate isn't the only VN to do a non-H version. In fact, it's pretty common and a way to attract even more fans. They even release android/mobile versions now.
At that stage, T-M realized they have a more normalfag appeal and shifted gears.
It's true that Nasu doesn't seem to like to do H-scenes, he even got help from Takeuchi during the Tsukihime ones but F/SN always meant to have them.

I don't know why some Fatefags are almost ashamed of F/SN being an eroge. Plenty of great eroge have H-scenes and a decent story.

William Perry
William Perry

Caster Nito is fucking cute
You, you have an eye for greatness.

Jaxon Barnes
Jaxon Barnes

we are never going to get the after story of EMIYA's path to becoming a counter guardian.

Kevin Hernandez
Kevin Hernandez

FSN has terrible H-scenes.

Also the difference is that, while other VNs which got an all-ages patch, it wasn't to the point that it rewrote whole scenarios and details. Usually in those they just cut out those scenes, in FSN though they went to the effort of making stuff like dragons and dolphins.

Keep in mind that they still kept stuff like Saber being put in that awkward position after she got caught by Caster.

Henry Morris
Henry Morris

And in the end her people were conquered.

Kevin Scott
Kevin Scott

It was kinda sad how people got pissed at a five year old when that scene was completely rewritten and taken out of context to suit Butcher's agenda. I hated the "let's make Sakura a sadistic loli" fanart that spawned because of how Urobuchi changed the visuals of that scene, which originally had Sakura solemnly looking down at Kariya's body being devoured while she was chained up when she said that line. It meant an entirely different thing.

Good thing the HF movie has Sudou, a normal Sakurabro at ufotable, as director, maybe we'll finally get a director that doesn't have a vendetta with Sakura like Carnival Phantasm did, or an edgy Manchin like Urobuchi, who says his dream is for Sakura to rule hell as the bride of Spawn. No, I am not kidding about that last part.

Adrian Carter
Adrian Carter

Guns are cool, so long as it's Go Lion using em anyway

Nicholas Miller
Nicholas Miller

Somebody really needs to actually start whacking Butcher hard when he gets his edge on

Cooper Diaz
Cooper Diaz

It's the proper use of Gae Bolg but Cu doesn't normally use it since it also destroys his own body.

Angel Baker
Angel Baker

Attila
I like what we have currently, though, I can't say whether you could make a more appealing character out of the "real" male.
That said, he is still possible. I think something could easily and convincingly be written up to have the alien Altera and human Attila exist.
It'd be a great villain in a future installment, especially if they actually had an army and territory that had to be fought against. We don't really get that in Fate, understandable as it is.

Robert Scott
Robert Scott

I've yet to start reading it, but I like what I've seen and read of him.

Joseph Moore
Joseph Moore

Sun Tzu (sort of)

Caleb Mitchell
Caleb Mitchell

TM
not trapashide
He didn't even make Astolfo consistently cool (hey, I don't like him over all but he had his moments) and soured things by pampering him way too much.

Ian Baker
Ian Baker

Urobuchi has a thing for sadistic female character, his favorite heroine was dark sakura and he originally wanted her to devour Kariya or something to that effect.

I think some Sakurafags fall for her fake """pure""" side, not knowing that it's not what she's really like.

The thinking Sakurafag likes her as murderous slut who can't get enough of magus dick.

That's not that weird. Nasu is autistic, it's something he would do.

Not counting Nukige, what do you consider as good H-scenes? If you can't think of any, you could be allergic to H-scenes in story heavy VNs.

Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

Gordes did absolutely nothing wrong
absolutely
I think he's done things right by his job and position, except ordering Siegfried to use his NP. That one mistake cost a lot.

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith

That said, he is still possible. I think something could easily and convincingly be written up to have the alien Altera and human Attila exist.
He's male in the Prototype world where he's confirmed to be Brynhildr's brother.

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

Gordes tried and honestly he was perfectly justified in everything he did from a objective stand point especially due the Anime due changes like Siegfried giving his fucking name out, and Sieg attacking him first. Hell even the forced NP could be interpreted as a attempt top use a Command Spell as a buff.

Ultimately Gordes is basically a showcase what happens when you use a catalyst to summon a servant you have absolutely ZERO affinity with, he would probably been better of summoning without a Catalyst.

Christopher Clark
Christopher Clark

Siegfried is fucking shit and a colossal defeatist faggot.
I wonder which servant whom Gordes has the best compatibility with.

Grayson Torres
Grayson Torres

Gilgamesh or Redman. Think about it. They're perfect for each other.

Mason Sanders
Mason Sanders

So they did touch on that? I'll have to look into it with greater urgency then. If it is as you say it's only a bit disappointing that he seems to be an AU rather than existing in the same timeline as Altera.

Adam Morales
Adam Morales

He should have summoned Sigurd.

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

Fatetards

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

He "killed" Sieg. He didn't have to, he was ordered not to, but he killed Sieg. That led to Siegfried's death. That was not justified.

Fatetards
not fatards
One job.

Zachary Price
Zachary Price

Gil
Have compatibility with Gordes
Wew

Christopher Adams
Christopher Adams

think some Sakurafags fall for her fake """pure""" side, not knowing that it's not what she's really like.
The thinking Sakurafag likes her as murderous slut who can't get enough of magus dick.

She doesn't have a "fake" side. Nasu himself says that Sakura's biggest character trait is her high empathy for people. The same person who has that bitterness and resentment is the same person who also cares about people. Unless you were just blind in HF and only looked at one side of her.

She's a teenage girl in Japan with DD boobs and a curvy body with a demure but cute personality, and cooks like a champ, if she was that cock crazy, she could have had all the boys in Homurabara on her. Yet she has no such reputation.

Plus, Shirou himself is drooling at her from across the table, and she is almost always low on magical energy, she could have banged him and he'd be completely fine with it. If she was anywhere near as loose as people try to meme her up to be, she would have drowned in her classmate's juices. Heck, her own sister gets randy from her imouto calling her onee-chan, she could have gone full incest route.

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

Why the fuck is Mordred so retarded?

Jaxson Young
Jaxson Young

murderous slut
She hates conflict and is completely devoted to Shirou, though. The kind of stuff that you're mentioning is a fake side of her that the villains try to trick her and the heroes into believing.

Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

His personality basically means he would get someone who is willing to cooperate, but won't let him think he has cowed them and will call him out, and actually has a clear wish, and that last one is surprisingly limiting since fucking like half of the known servants have "NO WISH LOL".

He was trying to save you from Dragon Dick posting and Sieg Power Hour derail user, how is that not justice.

I agree, Gil would eat Gordes whole, but i can see why user could think it would work, Gordes at the start doesn't really have the things that would make him "interesting" enough for Gil, he is just a run of the mill magus, not Rin Tohsaka (Who IIRC has been stated as being a Master Gil has high affinity with and unlikely to betray/abandon unlike how he was with her father.)

Camden Cook
Camden Cook

Karna, I think. He's not an idiot like Siegfried and he's pretty obedient.

Ian Rogers
Ian Rogers

The big counterpoint was that Nasu laid down some lore during a Q&A about the UBW anime and said that if Sakura had been privy to Shinji's use of the Bloodfort, she would have taken Rider away from him and "make him even more of a wakame".

This simultaneously taka away the memes about her being a "murderous slut who doesn't care about anyone", the memes about her just being a shy girl with no will(but that was proven wrong in Hollow, where Rider tells the reasoning for why she follows Sakura do strongly), and puts to rest the stuff people made up about her back in the day that said she knew about the Bloodfort but didn't do anything. Nasu said Rider knew Sakura was strong enough to take the Bloodfort and only be in a temporary coma, which is why we see Sakura on the floor in the anime. Lots of anti Sakura people tried to say she was faking.

Ethan Hughes
Ethan Hughes

She's imbred, and a homunculus at that. Some homunculi have limited intellectual abilities. It's a recipe for disaster.

Andrew Green
Andrew Green

Is Caster Gil still capable of pulling out Ea or use GoB to some extent?

Adrian Sanders
Adrian Sanders

fueling his chuuni fantasies

Aaron Nguyen
Aaron Nguyen

I don't think I can ever fault someone for trying to kill Sieg though

Joshua Richardson
Joshua Richardson

Er Gil was actually only considered to be viable for caster just simply from his items rather than actually knowing any spells, so presumably it's not gonna be that much different except for some stat changes.

Jeremiah Ward
Jeremiah Ward

Good post user.

I made this for you. You deserve it.

Carter King
Carter King

since fucking like half of the known servants have "NO WISH LOL".
Wait, really? From what I understand it's entirely possible for a Servant to not understand their own wish, but if they're not a Ruler they HAVE to have one, or else they can't participate in the Grail War.

Andrew Turner
Andrew Turner

She's functionally 8 years old at most.

Juan Hernandez
Juan Hernandez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUd9k60lNx8
Reminder that the LN, drama CD and even the edgy manga ALL portray the scene as Sakura being chained down in the basement and getting traumatized by watching him die in front of her.

The anime completely changed the tone of that scene just to make Sakura look bad, even though it's an important scene that explains why Sakura is so horrified of Shirou fighting for her sake in HF.

Angel Scott
Angel Scott

He ignored orders. If he had just captured Sieg, Sieg would end up as the heart of the Golem. Everyone would live happily ever after. He let his emotions control himself and ignored orders.

Lucas Miller
Lucas Miller

She has empathy for others but still a selfish slut who loves getting the D.
She protects her image careful and loves pretending to be pure and innocent when in fact, she's not and has questionable urges. That's her character as far as I'm concerned.

Xavier Brooks
Xavier Brooks

Depends on the servants personality. The key thing is that they answer the call for some reason or another. If they lack a wish what reason would they take it normally?

James Long
James Long

Can I have one too?

Chase Lee
Chase Lee

For some hours in paint, that ain't half bad.

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

Is it just me or do I see more of Bizon Gerafil of Buddy Complex in Celenike?

The madness is pretty obvious, same behavior. But the butthurt is a bit familiar.

Ryder Martin
Ryder Martin

No he can't
EA is sealed as a Caster and his GOB isn't nearly as powerful

Liam Bennett
Liam Bennett

Just you.

Asher Edwards
Asher Edwards

Celenike is literally the Bizon female version

Elijah Russell
Elijah Russell

Redman explicitly states that most servants don't have a wish for Grail. Like Hercules, Kojirou, blueman and redman all didn't.

Jacob Morgan
Jacob Morgan

Hercules
That's fucking bullshit. He may have it completely blasted out of his mind due to Berserker, but there's no fucking way that Hercules has NO wish for the Grail. There's just too much shit in his life and too many regrets that he had in his own mythology for him to not have a wish.
Kojirou
Wasn't he a cheat-in anyway? He technically wasn't even a real person not that that's something that stops people from being a Servant and wasn't following the Grail War's rules in the first place.

Jackson Adams
Jackson Adams

And Redman is STILL suffering, yet he claimed to have no wish, not even a wish to move on.

Samuel Cruz
Samuel Cruz

And therefore trash.

Gabriel Watson
Gabriel Watson

I think he does have, didn't he essentially say that he wished for world peace?
It's just that he knows the grail is corrupt and won't grant him that kind of wish so he discards any notion.

Hudson Barnes
Hudson Barnes

Celenike is an idiot, but many people would have gone insane for much less. Astolfo is wondrously cute.

Still, I can not side with her. His problem is that her never realized that Astolfo had put him in the Friendzone even before the arrival of Sieg.

Jace Cooper
Jace Cooper

Well, between you and him, I'm more inclined to believe what he himself thinks. Besides, I don't think he knew shit when he was summoned. Amnesia and all.

Ayden Carter
Ayden Carter

Celenike is an idiot
You mean a baka.

Xavier Torres
Xavier Torres

The very reason why she tolerates Shinji is entirely an unselfish thing. She blamed herself for him being a delusional idiot that couldn't see he was being used as a pawn.

And no, if she wanted the D all the time, Shirou would have been banged long ago. Considering her life force is being drained out of her constantly, she could have just bang-vamped all the boys around her if she was as selfish as you claim.

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

Pretty sure his amnesia was only on the first day after the summoning, after that he remembered everything, he just pretended he still had it.

Also if his amnesia did persist, then it would make sense that he doesn't have a wish since he doesn't know yet what he wants.

Blake Wright
Blake Wright

The very reason why she tolerates Shinji is entirely an unselfish thing.
Exactly the opposite.

Levi Cruz
Levi Cruz

It lasted a while. Things slowly came back to him over time. He didn't fully remember everything when he first encountered and fought Caster. And even after he got his memories back, he still had no wish. You can say it's because he knew Grail is corrupted, but that doesn't change the fact he lacked a wish, something you're putting forth as a requirement. Giving a reason doesn't change anything.

Jaxson Williams
Jaxson Williams

You can't take anything Emiya says as the truth. He lies all the time and is very biased.

Joseph King
Joseph King

You're a fucking retard

Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

Grail is corrupted
I hate that concept. Grails don't corrupt.

Robert Perry
Robert Perry

Everybody knows it's trash.

Logan Johnson
Logan Johnson

Not sure where anything in that post is something based on what Emiya said, user. Hercules had a hard as hell life and as far as I know SASAKI was never a real person.

Eli Murphy
Eli Murphy

She protects her image careful and loves pretending to be pure and innocent when in fact, she's not
Other way around. She has horrible self-esteem issues and keeps putting herself down and placing the blame for everything on herself even when nobody is blaming her.

Logan Hill
Logan Hill

I hate that concept.
Me too. We need a proper grail war with an actual winner that gets a wish.

Samuel Johnson
Samuel Johnson

One day...

Camden Sullivan
Camden Sullivan

Nothing good is allowed to happen in the Nasuverse without 17 truckloads of suffering happening first. Even then, you're likely to end up in a Monkey's Paw situation where you got some nice stuff but everything else ultimately makes it a net loss.

Extra is the closest this series has ever gotten to a "Happy" ending.

Camden Clark
Camden Clark

How so? Because let's be frank, before the Shinji memers show up, lemme lay down some lore for you.

Takeuchi and Nasu revealed in Comolete Material II that the reason Shinji is "popular" is because he flashes cash around, that's it. They even said those same girls would dump him once they reach college age.

Further, Shinji is a regular person, so if your reasoning is that his rape satisfies her need for magical energy, need I remind you Sakura has the same magical capacity as Rin. If she needed Shinji to restore her reserves, she'd be dead.

If your argument that is just that she likes to ride the baloney pony from anyone, Shirou notes she is the most attractive girl in his school next to Rin, and Ayako's little brother Minori is hot for her, but she never so much as treats him as anything but her platonic kouhai. If she really just wanted any dick she could get her hands on, she could drown in it. She is immensely popular when she becomes captain of the archery club, and they specifically mention they gain a lot of boys due to her leading it, but we get no news of Captain Sakura hosting any extracurricular "training trips" with only boys allowed if you get my drift.

The memes of her being a slut are unfounded.

Brayden Hernandez
Brayden Hernandez

because she does have gigantic tits. and is more mature. for once they are not going full saber face

Ryan Smith
Ryan Smith

I think that Gordes is fuck master. And I am not good at Aeanne and Astolfo.

Hunter Wright
Hunter Wright

I am not satisfied.

Jack Gray
Jack Gray

Does Solomon's HGW count?

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

She protects her image careful and loves pretending to be pure and innocent when in fact, she's not
That sounds a lot more like Rin if anything.

Leo Martin
Leo Martin

Nope.

William Moore
William Moore

Yep.

Eli Myers
Eli Myers

Reminder that Kiritsugu has and will never be as based as Go-lion.

Cooper Gonzalez
Cooper Gonzalez

Maybe?

Isaiah Butler
Isaiah Butler

Morte d'Arthur, Mordred was a better and more liked ruler than Arthur because Mordred kept years of peace and stability while Arthur fought many wars
That is wrong; I have Malory with me. While Arthur was off dick-waving with Lancelot, Mordred faked Arthur's death, then simply promised peace to the barons (who have a history of not liking Arthur due to not wanting to submit to him in the past) and I quote
and it has to be told that they came forward in large numbers to do so. Why? it will be asked. Was not King Arthur, the noblest Christendom had seen, now leading his armies in a righteous cause? The answer lies in the people of Britain, who, then as now, were fickle. Those who so readily transferred their allegiance to Sir Mordred did so with the excuse that whereas King Arthur's reign had led them into war and strife, Sir Modred promised them peace and festivity.

So it took Arthur's supposed death and a bunch of British pricks to follow Mordred. In addition, it will be noted that after Arthur came back, people still transferred their allegiance back to him seeing as he wasn't dead.

Zachary Anderson
Zachary Anderson

A repeat of the wacky racers episode of Carnival Phantasm
I'm really looking forward to this.

Liam Foster
Liam Foster

Nasu is employing a mix of Historia with Malory. He uses Morte for Morte, obviously, but he uses Historia for the Rome shit instead of the Lancelot shit with Malory.

More or less, I'm thouroughly impressed with the amount of research he did. I wonder if he read it in English or just some nip translation

where Sir Bedivere was the one sleeping with Guinevere
What is the blasphemy

Benjamin Martinez
Benjamin Martinez

Siegfried did not talk in the novel Why did he talk in animation? Why did Gordes not communicate with Siegfried? What is Higashide thinking about?

Liam Torres
Liam Torres

Blame A-1.

Nicholas Torres
Nicholas Torres

This is the future I chose.
Damn. Finally made some good decisions in life.

Xavier Wood
Xavier Wood

Hackashide is upest that Sumanai is more popular than Achilles so he's bullying him as much as possible for this adaption.

Jace Cook
Jace Cook

Blame yourself.

Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

We never got to see it and it's also a rehash of the F/SN grail war, but I'd say that it counts. I'd rather have it animated than any other fate story except maybe /SF.

Josiah Collins
Josiah Collins

Dude, even Arturia herself considers the way she handled Mordred a mistake.

Remember, it's 100% canon that Mordred, upon discovering that she was related to 'Arthur', was immediately willing to abandon her mother. She herself spilled the beans regarding the entire plot and revealed herself, because she admired her dad so much.

In the end, she didn't betray Arturia because she wanted the crown, she did so because she felt that she'd been cast aside. Arturia didn't even have to promise her the throne, she just had to at least show her some parental care, and Mordred would have been 200% loyal.

Kayden Flores
Kayden Flores

Boring "Hey guys look at me I'm a literal invincible hero" haughty guy
against the guy that you spend a good quarter of the France singularity trying to save or un-curse, who is actually a pretty cool guy but memetastically bad mechanically.
Of course Siegfried was going to be more popular. The fact that you can say "Sumanai" in a Fate thread and everyone knows who you're talking about just goes to show how well-known he is.

Xavier Scott
Xavier Scott

It does not count.

Nathaniel Bailey
Nathaniel Bailey

even Arturia herself considers the way she handled Mordred a mistake
Source? I assume some hidden FGO translation?

I don't disagree with you, but Arturia's autism does make her course of action make sense, since she probably didn't understand that Mordred just had daddy issues and not that she wanted to take over the fucking kingdom because of
muh king arthur does not understand human emotions

Although it's not like Mordred was any better.

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

I like Siegfried but I was betrayed by Higashide. I wanted to see a story where Siegfried and Gordes worked together.

Owen Campbell
Owen Campbell

Yes, in HINDSIGHT. When Arturia knows what Mordred is going to do. Of course she thinks she could've handled things differently. But if one of your co-workers suddenly come up to you, calling you daddy, when you're a virgin, of course you're not going to treat that co-worker as your family. Especially so when biologically could not have been his daddy.

Come on, user. At least try to be reasonable. What exactly would a virign do when someone comes up to her claiming to be her child? Just go along with it?

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

They animated my wife Nobu? This is truly the best summer ever

Bentley Martinez
Bentley Martinez

Source? I assume some hidden FGO translation?

Fate/Stay Night, actually.

The way Artoria's flashbacks generally dwell on her battle with Mordred and her wish to change her time as ruler to save her country show that this was her greatest regret. The way she dealt with Mordred is the big fatal mistake that sent her fate and the fate of her nation spiraling out of control. Preventing that from happening is the basis for her participation in the Grail War.

If she believed she'd done right here and what happened was simply inevitable or not her fault, she'd have no reason to be a character in Fate/Stay Night.

Ryder Young
Ryder Young

Siegfried is a jerk.

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

Extra ending
happier than any of FSN's besides HF Normal

Luis Harris
Luis Harris

Especially so when biologically could not have been his daddy.

Jeremiah Cooper
Jeremiah Cooper

They don't work too well together.
Sumanai is too selfless. He'd obey most orders but fuck up Gordes at the most important moment he'd ask Sumanai to do something unsavory.
He was a loyal machine in life but alas, he changed into a more "heroic" person as a servant.

Logan Miller
Logan Miller

I want Higashide to think seriously about the story

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

Sumanai

Chase Mitchell
Chase Mitchell

Well, Arturia's wish was to redo the sword of selection, so it's more like she thinks her entire reign was a mistake, not just Camlann, so that destruction at the hands of Mo-san was inevitable.

Because judging from the beach episode in GO, Arturia still does not give half a shit about Mordred.

Parker Watson
Parker Watson

Now to be more accurate, Saber accepted that Mordred was born from her, she just didn't accept Mordred as being the king's son and heir because the kid just wasn't made for ruling

Unfortunately for Saber she didn't realize that if she'd just called Mordred her son, not even necessarily her heir then Camelot could've lasted longer

Ryan Edwards
Ryan Edwards

Oh, I know she shouldn't have thought she'd given birth and forgotten it. But that's not really relevant.

Canonically, Saber realized that Mordred was obviously an artifice of Morgan le Fay, created with her blood. She knew what was up, because Mordred revealed her face and literally told her how she'd been raised by Morgan. There was no question that they were related, the question was how, and that was pretty obvious - le Fay magic scheming. Arturia rejected her anyway.

Now, really, this is still understandable. Arturia must have been freaked the fuck out. Meeting your own clone is probably unnerving as fuck, and there is of course the temptation to believe, even though Mordred had laid everything bare and admitted to being sent by Morgan, that her 'son' was still deceiving her somehow. I imagine she saw a lot of her own flaws and insecurities in Mordred, too, like how Mordred is intensely uncomfortable with her gender and feels forced to hide, which is probably a pretty uncomfortable thing to have a constant visual reminder of. But it was still the wrong decision to completely reject her.

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

idiot? oh…He is my gentlestservant.

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

she thinks her entire reign was a mistake
Which makes no sense. Why would she think that? Her kingdom was great and she's considered stuff of Legends. Why would she think her entire reign was a mistake, when Britain prospered under her rule? Sure, it fell after she died, but that was after she died.

Justin Ortiz
Justin Ortiz

does not give half a shit about Mordred
So same as everyone else.

Henry Butler
Henry Butler

"Look around you King Arthur. Your country has ended. Which ever one of us emerges the victor, it matters not. As you see before you, everything is gone. You should have known it would come to this. Had you given to me the crown, this would not have happened. Did you hate me, the son of Morgan, that much?!"

King Arthur emotionlessly replied back.
"Not once did I despise you.

There was only one reason I would not give you the throne.

You didn't have the capacity of a King."

Saber killed her heart the moment she took the sword, feelings were thrown away for logic and efficiency, and to her Mordred just wasn't fit for kingship

Josiah Morgan
Josiah Morgan

No, Higashide is a jerk.
Why did he play the leading role in Sieg?

Alexander Evans
Alexander Evans

It counts.

Easton Lee
Easton Lee

Any of FSN's endings are "happy"
I feel like we didn't play the same VN. At best you can say that shit ended on Neutral, with the only improvement being the destruction of the Grail (which arguably isn't even concrete). Extra's ending has the world notably improved, but at the cost of a single life that would've died at the end of the Grail War anyway.

Nathaniel Thomas
Nathaniel Thomas

see

I'm not saying there weren't reasons for which she made the the mistake. But it was definitely a huge mistake.

Joseph Reyes
Joseph Reyes

I don't know but I want her as my little sister.
And Nito as my Fatewaifu

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

Mordred is an idiot. Poor Arutria

Liam Carter
Liam Carter

The whole reason fate was successful is Tohsaka's anus!

Chase Hernandez
Chase Hernandez

Why would they change it

Ryan Nelson
Ryan Nelson

Because Camelot was built on pillars of sand. Her inhuman personality and lack of emotion/empathy/love made her subjects wary of her, and created the Love traingle with Lancelot, which lead to him slaughtering the other Knights because Arturia couldn't let Guinevere live after commuting adultery despite the fact she was all for the relationship.

Mordred immediately turned on Arthur because she didn't show him any love or compassion, but rather a flat summation "I will not acknowledge you as a child, or an heir" and if she had just like taken the time to explain why, Mordred wouldn't have gone apeshit.

It was a perfect storm of the public hating Arturia for being so inhumanly perfect with no expressible human affection, Mordred going insane over the fact that she wasn't human, and Arthur rejected her entirely, and Lancelot luring Arthur away from England after he stopped the execution, killed a few of the Knights, and ran off.

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

She saw her knights fall to infighting, her queen and greatest knight horribly suffer when they could've been happily in love, she murdered her own flesh and blood and was left alone in a hill of corpses, she always knew Camelot would fall but she thought it'd be a quiet fall, and not well this

Andrew Howard
Andrew Howard

Which originally seemed to lead to some really dumb decisions.

She didn't even have to make Mordred her heir. Just being a parent to her would have ensured her loyalty.

Bentley Nguyen
Bentley Nguyen

Nasu: Fate was originally a story I wrote when I was in college. In it the gender of Saber and Shirou were opposite to now, but the essential theme had not been changed, it's the story about legendary heroes and "a boy meets a girl."

Takeuchi: I created it because I just liked it, and I wanted to make something like Tsukihime, but more sophisticated. I changed the character's gender, in order to have them fit in with the gamers today. As a product I do feel like it has grown much more than I expected. Whenever we said that 『Fate』 was over and done with, it would refuse to die. I suppose it’s only natural to love and revere something that you have spent so much time cultivating and being so fulfilled by, and to become so attached to it. I don’t mean to be obsessive, but I do want to treat this with utmost care, as we have done up until this point.

Nasu: At first I'd aimed for CCC to be something that can be enjoyed on its own, even more so with Extra. And that Extra can be enjoyed even more with CCC, like Fate/hollow ataraxia to Fate/stay night. But as I wrote the scenario, I became aware of a desire to state the "answer" of the Fate series, which has been continuing for almost ten years now. After ten years, I finally realized that "this is what I wanted to say with the Fate series." If I'm able to complete this, then there'll no longer be anything left for me to say.

Takeuchi: 『Fate』 is really interesting isn’t it? We have the room to think about new possibilities. We will not make a direct sequel, but we’ll go for anything that seems interesting.

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

Mordred wouldn't have gone apeshit.
Suuuure. That's exactly why that edgy faggot is in Apo's war. Because she "understood".

Sebastian Harris
Sebastian Harris

In her mind, it was all for nothing. She failed entirely, and everyone suffered because her mistake in how she ruled killed everyone.

She wasn't "correct" but she wasn't wrong for attempting to do t hings the best way she thought to do. She wasn't wrong for trying to be the perfect king, even if it failed.

Carter Cook
Carter Cook

That was both me actually, my only issue was blaming the rejection on feelings or distrust, when it was really just her greatest strength as a king, being perfect to the point of heartlessness also being the weakness that caused the kingdom's fall

Christopher Gray
Christopher Gray

Which makes no sense
Does it matter if it makes sense to you? To Arturia, because it collapsed, someone else should've taken the mantle

Ian Moore
Ian Moore

All Arturia had to do was talk to her like a person.

That's literally it. If Arturia had let the mask crack and show Mordred who she was, she'd have understood.

Bentley Thompson
Bentley Thompson

and Arthur rejected her entirely, and Lancelot luring Arthur away from England after he stopped the execution, killed a few of the Knights, and ran off
Actually, I'm pretty sure the flashbacks mention that Mo-san took over while Saber was in Rome, so instead of going after Lance, Saber just let him be.

David Foster
David Foster

Why did Nasu retcon Saber and Gil's characters in Zero?

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

All of the masters except one basically died for nothing, the winner didn't even get a prize besides saving one sap, and the world is still slowly inching to its death

Cameron Evans
Cameron Evans

I thought Saber was in Rome looking for Lancelot?

Asher Robinson
Asher Robinson

Didn't.

Evan Walker
Evan Walker

Gil as a character would become exhausting if he didn't have a little more depth to him.

Robert Moore
Robert Moore

but I do want to treat this with utmost care, as we have done up until this point.

Oh I'm laffing.

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

It was a perfect storm of the public hating Arturia for being so inhumanly perfect with no expressible human affection
I don't remember that from anywhere. Not Arthurian legends, nor Fate/Stay Night. Source of this?
The only hate Arturia received was from Lancelot, because she wanted ot execute the Queen for committing adultery, something that is crime even in this day and age, was much more serious a thing during middle ages, and Mordred/Morgan, who wanted her kingdom.

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

Siegfried said in two stories. "There is a wish for myself"
Why did Gordes get angry without asking in detail?
I am interested so I will ask. Trust grows

It seems to be Diarmuid and his master.

Luke Green
Luke Green

Except Fate itself says that her knights were always a bunch of grumblers who would never have accepted her without the great results her cold efficiency brought, and the love triangle was formed because of Guinevere and Lancelot talking long about how they could make Saber's life easier, since even at the end they loved her more than each other

Hell the people were fine with their good king, it was the greedy nobles waiting for the king to fall and to take her kingdom and riches that talked shit

Hudson Sullivan
Hudson Sullivan

People tend to underestimate Team Purple since they never really have that fiery determination to win and Nasu has then job 90% of the time. The war is a sham and they both know it.

We already know Archer vs. Rider is a bad match up since he was almost petrified in under 10 seconds if Sakura hadn't of put herself in a coma, he'd be a stone statue.

Jack Green
Jack Green

yeah, that's roughly the english writing quality of the OP

a fitting end to this nightmare of a thread

Justin Cook
Justin Cook

Even if Archer takes out a Saber-class holy sword, he doesn't have enough magical energy to draw on to maximize it, so it'd be hard to for him to attack Bellerophon. What determines victory or defeat is whether Aias on its own would be enough to block Bellerophon perhaps...?

Rho Aias effect: block projectiles

Gae Bolg: B+, projectile

Bellerophon: A+, not a projectile

Probably not

Jordan Perez
Jordan Perez

permitting anything that fails to follow the thematic and setting conventions established by Rakkyou, Tsukihime, F/SN, and DDD
possibly believing Extella remotely managed to capture those conventions at any point
insipid fanservice garbage at worst which utterly destroys Nero's character
the most inconsistent braindead shounen idiocy at best
not full autism rage at the state of the setting and Nasu's increasing incompetence, given the existence of F/GO
EX rank fucking everywhere on everyone
all of these pathetic attempts at humor in the years following Mahoyo's fumbling publication
now all the fucking memes are the most prominent thematic and setting conventions within Type-Moon works because they've been used more than the original ones Nasu wrote of during TM's first 7 or so years from 1998 to 2005
no DDD3 (2007)
no GW (went from being a VN to anime, tba since 2010/2011) we only got a summary and and nearly empty website
no Tsukihime Remake (first shown in 2008, then announced for serious until the fes)

Kayden Richardson
Kayden Richardson

Where and how did you read DDD? All I could find was some incomplete and horribly broken .pdf of the first volume that looks like this.

I'm asking seriously; I really do want to read one of Nasu's stories, but I can't find it anywhere.

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

Can't speak for anyone else but i like the fate franchise because of the mythological heroes and the chunni concepts like the Grand Orders, the Throne of Heroes, the whole thing about Solomon and the Demons, the way they have their magi structured, True Magic, etc. I really enjoy that shit and was excited F/GO was coming stateside because they'd explore that shit more. Sometimes the waifupandering seems too much and offputting, but the exploration of the world still pulls me in.

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